So I get to Austin, and I would really like to find the local
NOW chapter, but I guess the local patriarchs have forced you
into hiding, because you are no where to be found.  I would
really like to get involved and I'm not quite sure this is the
right place to be looking, but I'm new at this computer stuff,
and I'm notr quite sure where to do all this....SO, if you're
out there and are in or know of a group of people who believe
in the advancment of the recognition, respect and right of Women,
please respond.  Thank you.
                                AB

In article <345inj$...@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>,

You bet ! we beat our women into submission, ever heard of "The Stepford
Wives"...  :-) (for the humor-impaired)

NOW can be reached at 476-0486

Welcome to Austin,
Jacob

P.S. I bet your posting will act as a red flag on some of the more "right"
tilting posters to austin.general
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Department of Computer Sciences             ventum mengit :-)
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: So I get to Austin, and I would really like to find the local
: NOW chapter, but I guess the local patriarchs have forced you
: into hiding, because you are no where to be found.

Whew! I'm glad my organized oppression is working.

Just remember, men, every morning wake up and say to yourself "I will
keep womyn down! I will keep womyn down! I will..."

Ms. Bennett will sure fit in well here.

Amused...

Seth

In article <345inj$...@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>, a...@mail.utexas.edu (Alicia Bennett) says:

NOTE
  The word patriarch does not  include all men...
 merely those who believe in the expliotation and degredation
 of women.  AB

In article <3462nq$...@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>,

Webster agrees with you.

Webster disagrees with you.  But then what does he know?  He
doesn't even know what ``expliotation'' and ``degredation'' are.

He?  He???  Oh my gosh, that explains it.  He's a guy!  :-)

Chris

In article <345inj$...@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> a...@mail.utexas.edu (Alicia  

NOTE
 "group of people who believe
 in the advancment of the recognition, respect and right of Women"
does not  include feminists...
--
personal opinions

I've found that most men who fear/despise feminists are suffering from
deep anxiety about their own inadequacies. Their tiny minds cannot deal
with the concept of a world where they have to compete with women on a
level playing field.

Perhaps you guys ought to go to church or therapy instead of spending
your time on spelling flames.

Greg Nudd

Who said anything about fear or hatred?  I just object (not that it
doesn't work, mind you) to the redefinition of terms to push one's
agenda.

To the contrary, women have been given preferential hiring treatment
with at least one employer I was associated with.  YMMV.

Did they work for you?  :-)

Chris

My rules to avoid the temptation to flame:

Professional charities actually spend very little of the money for the needy.
Professional politicians actually spend very little time for the people.
Professional "male chauvinists" actually speak for very few men.
Professional "feminists" actually speak for very few women.

Professional "me" speaks for only myself !

<In article <345inj$...@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> a...@mail.utexas.edu (Alicia  
<> So I get to Austin, and I would really like to find the local
<> NOW chapter, but I guess the local patriarchs have forced you
<> into hiding, because you are no where to be found.  I would
<> really like to get involved and I'm not quite sure this is the
<> right place to be looking, but I'm new at this computer stuff,
<> and I'm notr quite sure where to do all this....SO, if you're
<> out there and are in or know of a group of people who believe
<> in the advancment of the recognition, respect and right of Women,
<> please respond.  Thank you.
<>                                AB
<
<NOTE
< "group of people who believe
< in the advancment of the recognition, respect and right of Women"
<does not  include feminists...
<--
<personal opinions

Sorry, my trolling friend, you don't get to define the word.  Ask Seth, he
can look it up for you.

Tom McDonald

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: Sorry, my trolling friend, you don't get to define the word.  Ask Seth, he
: can look it up for you.

I'm not sure exactly how, but I'm sure this was some kind of insult. :-)

I'm actually too busy with this glass ceiling I'm working on here...

Seth

: I've found that most men who fear/despise feminists are suffering from
: deep anxiety about their own inadequacies. Their tiny minds cannot deal
: with the concept of a world where they have to compete with women on a
: level playing field.

I've found that most women who fear/despise men are... never mind...

For the record, I'm a firm believer in equality. But there's a world of
difference between equality and the "all heterosexual sex is rape" crowd.
Of course, in any movement, right or left, it's the fringe lunatics that
most people come to think of first, unfortunately.

Seth

        Oh, really.

        Just like that guy from Alice in Wonderland:  "Words mean what
I want them to mean"...

        Remember what the dormouse said?

And to which of the above words might you be referring?

As for looking it up, thanks to Seth, but I've got Digital Webster
on a NeXT.. I'm just a mouse-click away.
--
personal opinions

Heh heh heh...reminds me of that Callahan cartoon: "This is a _feminist_
bookstore! We don't _have_ a humor section!"

Craig

Not the opinion of my employer.
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  Oh Alicia, poor thing, if you're new to this stuff then you probably
didn't expect you'd get 15 (and counting) responses, with only one
addressing your simple request for information.  

   I've considered myself a feminist since I was about 15, and I'm *still*
taken by surprise each time I'm reminded that, for much of the population,
"feminist" is a dirty word.  I'm still not sure why the concept of equality
for women is alarming, or why postings like yours elicit wink-wink,
nudge-nudge, we've-got-a-real-live-one-here-huh-guys dialog among (male)
net users.

  Your message caught my eye because this whole thing has been on my mind
lately.  Recently I visited a gentleman with whom I had struck up a brief
summer romance.  We spent 10 days together and on the way to the airport he
asked the question in that all-too-familiar tone of voice: "So...are you
a...feminist?"  (Implying, You're not one of THOSE, are you?  Good God,
WHY?)  Of course I am, I said.  Silence as he struggled to understand, to
find words to challenge me (good god, why?) while still being polite.

  Is it me, or is this scenario frustratingly familiar?  I'm thinking I
ought to put together some sort of FAQ in explanation of my feminist
beliefs that I could hand out on just such occasions.  :-)   People who ask
that question don't seem to understand that I can't give them a 10-second
answer.

  What is the PROBLEM here?  Is it that these educated, well-meaning men
(and ometimes women) think feminist principles are somehow unnecessary,
because they believe equality was achieved decades ago?

   Alicia, how do we even begin to explain from ground zero?

Robinne Gray
r...@cornell.edu
Ithaca, NY
Austin fan (still) thinking of relocating

Ummmm....."Feed your head"?  Or was that Grace Slick that said that?

Steve    ezab...@chpc.utexas.edu

The problem is not generally with the concept of equality but rather with the
concept of 'all men are trash' mentality.  Just as all feminists do not subscribe
to the all men are trash philosophy, all men do not ascribe to treat women as
if they are less.  More often than not, if you jump up and proclaim you are
a feminist (read in most circles as a man hater), most men will run for the
hills.  If you instead just proclaim some of your beliefs as they arise in
a relationship, you will more than likely receive honest agreement or debate
(pleasant hopefully) from any worthwhile man.  I personally would rather be
with a woman who defines herself by what she believes in rather than what her
favorite organization believes in (ie feminist, Republican, Democrat, Christian,
Jew, right-to-lifer, etc.).  I also hope to find a woman who is looking for a
man who cuts his own path.  Right and wrong are virtually never proprietary
to any organization.

Just my opinion.  It's worth what you paid for it.

Any recommendations for a piano instructor in the Austin area?
I am considering both private and group lessons.

Thanks,

Devi
phone - 602-6860
email - devi.n...@amd.com

: I've found that most men who fear/despise feminists are suffering from
                                            ^^^^^^^^
: deep anxiety about their own inadequacies. Their tiny minds cannot deal
: with the concept of a world where they have to compete with women on a
: level playing field.

: Perhaps you guys ought to go to church or therapy instead of spending
: your time on spelling flames.

: Greg Nudd

Mr. Nudd,  I pray that you will eternally slave under man-hater women
that knife you in the back at every turn.  Working for 'some women' can
be an absolute bitch!

I support any woman that works hard and wants to be treated fairly.
Most modern 'feminists' are actually lesbains.  
^^^^

James Roberts

Theory # 1 -- the label 'feminism' has been reclaimed and redefined by
    the Rush Limbaughs and Pat Robertsons of the world into a caricature
    so vile that of course no one wants to be associated with it.

Theory # 2 -- The political leadership of feminism has fallen out of
    touch with what women want today.  Betty Friedan lived in a different
    world.  The 1960s have played itself out.  It's now time for what is
    being called "The Third Wave" of feminism to take over and assert
    itself.  I don't think women respond well to the phrase "equality".
    What is it?  What does mean?  How do I know if I have achieved it or
    not?

    Respect, on the other hand, is a different story.

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        Listen, if you parrot dated dogma you've got to expect to be treated
like a birdbrain.

        It's not the concept of equality that's alarming.  It's how
some people seem to define equality, ala' Napoleon and the rest of the
pigs.

        "All animals were created equal, but some are more equal than
others."

        Well, *this* educated, well-meaning man thinks that feminist
principles are just so much sexist bigotry disguised as political
correctness.

        Liberty and justice for all, not just for the people with
acceptable gender.
                                                                wr

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