Let's do something about Travid
Tracey Levin
Matt wrote:
>
> I'm so tired of Tracey's continued off-topic postings to these
> newsgroups.
Matt, *.general groups are open to general topics of discussion.
Matt, are you gay?
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Joe D
In austin.general Matt <ma...@mail.utexas.edu> wrote:
> I'm so tired of Tracey's continued off-topic postings to these
> her.. Maybe if we band together, we can make her go away. Those of us
> interested in what she has to say (or in debating her) should be able
> to find her in talk.politics.misc.
This is a very bad idea, for several reasons. But the best of all is that,
idiot though he may be, he has the right to be an idiot in this public
forum.
I sympathize. I really do. We used to have a nice little community here on
austin.general (I don't know about the other groups), but thanks to David's
crossposted trolls, it's been pretty much wrecked.
The single best way to deal with him is to -ignore- him. Do -not- follow
up, no matter how tempted you may be. You will -not- suddenly convert him
to your point of view. If he stopped getting responses, he would go away.
Why do you think he keeps hanging around austin.general specifically, as
opposed to the other *.general groups? Because the people here pay
attention to him, which is all he's after.
Joe D
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On Mon, 11 May 1998 06:59:37 GMT, ma...@mail.utexas.edu (Matt) wrote:
>I'm so tired of Tracey's continued off-topic postings to these
>newsgroups. I sent an email to ab...@swbell.net complaining about
>her.. Maybe if we band together, we can make her go away. Those of us
>interested in what she has to say (or in debating her) should be able
>to find her in talk.politics.misc.
I'll say again, I think this is childish. First of all it is very
unlikely that swbell will do anything. Second, Tracey was the reason
kill files are an essentail feature. Use them.
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Clayton Colwell
Joe D (jo...@jump.net) wrote:
: In austin.general Matt <ma...@mail.utexas.edu> wrote:
: > I'm so tired of Tracey's continued off-topic postings to these
: > newsgroups. I sent an email to ab...@swbell.net complaining about
: > her.. Maybe if we band together, we can make her go away. Those of us
: > interested in what she has to say (or in debating her) should be able
: > to find her in talk.politics.misc.
: This is a very bad idea, for several reasons. But the best of all is that,
: idiot though he may be, he has the right to be an idiot in this public
: forum.
: I sympathize. I really do. We used to have a nice little community here on
: austin.general (I don't know about the other groups), but thanks to David's
: crossposted trolls, it's been pretty much wrecked.
Oh, I wouldn't go that far. It is true, however, that specifically
Austin-related threads are rarer than they used to be, and harder
to wade through to find. And I must confess that I haven't been
that helpful in keeping my posts well-connected and related to
Austin (unless my living here counts :-).
I still see plenty of Austinites here. The fact that NNOs can
still survive indicates that the a.g coulture is not lost
(hey, Lyn, kitten, et al.! How was Brave Combo?).
: The single best way to deal with him is to -ignore- him. Do -not- follow
: up, no matter how tempted you may be. You will -not- suddenly convert him
: to your point of view. If he stopped getting responses, he would go away.
This is true. However, the style of Travid's respondents pretty
much indicate that they don't expect to change Travid's mind.
They include enough information to debunk Its illogic and usually
add a burst from a flamethrower to vent frustration.
: Why do you think he keeps hanging around austin.general specifically, as
: opposed to the other *.general groups? Because the people here pay
: attention to him, which is all he's after.
I'm doing my part to at least minimize the crossposting: whenever
I respond, I try to limit the Newsgroups: line to austin.general
(where I catch them) and houston.general (where Travid hails from).
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Clayton Colwell
Tracey Levin (trac...@swbell.net) wrote:
: Matt wrote:
: >
: > I'm so tired of Tracey's continued off-topic postings to these
: > newsgroups.
: Matt, *.general groups are open to general topics of discussion.
This is true to some extent. The fact that a "*" precedes the
".general" serves as a clue to most that the "general topics of
discussion" *should* relate to the city substituted for the "*".
: Matt, are you gay?
This is a specific request. If you're looking for dates,
Travid, keep it in e-mail.
Jeffrey E. Salzberg
In article <35580d63...@news3.bga.com>,
clayn@NO_JUNKbga.com wrote:
> First of all it is very
> unlikely that swbell will do anything.
Not necessarily; the reason David (ooops..."Tracey" <snicker>) hates Flash Net
so much is because they pulled his access for violating their AUP.
> Second, Tracey was the reason
> kill files are an essentail feature. Use them.
I agree. I don't think anyone's speech should be stifled, especially someone
who advances the cause of liberalism as much as David does.
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Joe D
Clayton Colwell <er...@bga.com> wrote:
> I'm doing my part to at least minimize the crossposting: whenever
> I respond, I try to limit the Newsgroups: line to austin.general
> (where I catch them) and houston.general (where Travid hails from).
And don't forget to set the followups to alt.david.is.an.idiot, carried by
finer news servers everywhere.
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Matt wrote in message <35619ffb...@newshost.cc.utexas.edu>...
I'm so tired of Tracey's continued off-topic postings to these
newsgroups. I sent an email to ab...@swbell.net complaining about
her.. Maybe if we band together, we can make her go away. Those of us
interested in what she has to say (or in debating her) should be able
to find her in talk.politics.misc.
Of course, I don't know if tinybrain-Tracey is ready for the big boys
in talk.politics.*, but I'd like to see her out of here..
Feel free to cut and paste this, but I wager we will be more effective
if we each come up with our own email.
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To: ab...@swbell.net
Subject: trac...@swbell.net
One of your users is posting off-topic messages to the following
newsgroups: austin.general, dfw.general, houston.general,
utexas.general, tamu.general. As you know, USENET operates on a
hierarchy - meaning in the name of the group, the former term[s]
encompasses the latter term[s]. For example, utexas.general is for
general discussion about The University of Texas. *Not* a general
discussion group about anything.
She/He is not posting commerical messages, as far as I can tell.
Her/His (her identity is under question - she used to go by "David")
postings would be on-topic in: talk.politics.misc,
alt.politics.clinton, alt.politics.homosexuality,
alt.politics.republicans, alt.politics.usa.*,
alt.politics.white-power, etc.
She/He has rebuffed my personal emails asking her/him to stop this
behavior, or at least to take her discussions to a more suitable
forum.
I am very tired of your customers's continued harrassment of the
people who are trying to have on-topic discussions in these
newsgroups. I think a simple email from you might do the trick.
If you need anymore info from me, let me know.
------
Brent Burton
Joe D <jo...@jump.net> wrote:
| This is a very bad idea, for several reasons. But the best of all is
| that, idiot though he may be, he has the right to be an idiot in this
| public forum.
I hope others can see the difference between absolute rights and
the inherent consideration, courtesy and responsibility these rights
require. So many on the 'net just don't grok it. For this, letters
to Travid's ISP *are* a good idea.
Do this, and doing it with effect, isn't limiting his speech since there
are other forums he can freely participate in. Asking him to control his
spewings in austin.general (or other .generals) is a reasonable request.
later,
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Jay Patrick Howard
Charlie (zebra...@email.msn.com) wrote:
: dangerous!! I will be sending a complaint against you in as well, for =
: conspiring to deny another participant's First Amendment Rights!! =20
And I will be reporting you for encoding your posts in that obnoxious
MIME format. ;)
Seriously though, Matt has a point. One's constitutional right to free
speech does not justify harassment and misuse of public property.
Erik
On Mon, 11 May 1998 08:14:26 -0500, Tracey Levin <trac...@swbell.net> scrawled
out:
> Matt, *.general groups are open to general topics of discussion.
> Matt, are you gay?
Irrelevant ad hominem.
utexas.general is for general discussion about UT. If it were open to all
topics, why name it? Why have any distinctions amongst newsgroups?
You're wrong.
- Erik Smith
[ http://helix.dorm.utexas.edu ]
["Your indignation, your problem." ]
[My real e-mail is at chrysalis.org]
Jeffrey E. Salzberg
In article <6j77mq$b...@bolivia.earthlink.net>,
"Charlie" <zebra...@email.msn.com> wrote:
> dangerous!! I will be sending a complaint against you in as well, for =
> conspiring to deny another participant's First Amendment Rights!!
While you are correct in that we should all be very careful to not vilate the
spirit of the first amendment, remember that, technically, only governments
can actually violate the letter of it.
Charlie
Jay Patrick Howard wrote in message <6j79kd$n...@opus.cs.utexas.edu>...Charlie (zebra...@email.msn.com) wrote:
: dangerous!! I will be sending a complaint against you in as well, for =
James Corral
In article <35580d63...@news3.bga.com>, clayn@NO_JUNKbga.com wrote:
>On Mon, 11 May 1998 06:59:37 GMT, ma...@mail.utexas.edu (Matt) wrote:
>
>>I'm so tired of Tracey's continued off-topic postings to these
>>newsgroups. I sent an email to ab...@swbell.net complaining about
>>her.. Maybe if we band together, we can make her go away. Those of us
>>interested in what she has to say (or in debating her) should be able
>>to find her in talk.politics.misc.
>
>I'll say again, I think this is childish. First of all it is very
>unlikely that swbell will do anything. Second, Tracey was the reason
>kill files are an essentail feature. Use them.
I don't see anything childish in this idea. As for kill files, I'm tired of
having to kill 5-6 subjects everyday.
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Bud
Tracey Levin <trac...@swbell.net> wrote in article
<3556F9...@swbell.net>...
> Matt wrote:
> >
> > I'm so tired of Tracey's continued off-topic postings to these
> > newsgroups.
>
> Matt, are you gay?
>
are an idiot!!!!
Joe D
Brent Burton <bre...@pentagon.io.com> wrote:
> I hope others can see the difference between absolute rights and
> the inherent consideration, courtesy and responsibility these rights
> require. So many on the 'net just don't grok it. For this, letters
> to Travid's ISP *are* a good idea.
I understand it just fine. And for the record, I think that Travid's
crossposting is flagrant net abuse.
Unfortunately, unless the charter for the group is changed, it's not
explicitly forbidden.
Joe D
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Clay
>I don't see anything childish in this idea. As for kill files, I'm tired of
>having to kill 5-6 subjects everyday.
Tracey is a troll. And is trolling is getting less and less
interesting. Few things are worse then a boring troll. However,
attempts to restrict his rights (which is what is if this IS public
property) you would have to prove that he/she caused you some sort of
harm. So far he (unless Tracey objects or clarifies I'm just going to
use 'he') hasn't hurt anyone. It isn't as if he were going around
threatening people or anything. It is just Usenet litter. Ignore it
as you would any spam.
Brent Burton
|
|I understand it just fine. And for the record, I think that Travid's
|crossposting is flagrant net abuse.
No offense/attack implied.
|Unfortunately, unless the charter for the group is changed, it's not
|explicitly forbidden.
However, *this* is what I'm talking about. It (the net abuse Travid
participates in) shouldn't need to be explicitly prohibited. I'd hate for
every *.general group to have to lay down the law in clearly-defined
"topics X is Good and Y is Bad" terms. Explicit terms are ineffective.
My point is that recognizing and following established customs and
standards is a large part of net.usage. Asking someone to follow is not
unreasonable or childish.
cheers,
Brent Burton
clayn@NO_JUNKbga.com wrote:
| However, attempts to restrict his rights (which is what is if this IS
| public property) you would have to prove that he/she caused you some
As in driving, participating in usenet is not a right. One agrees to
their ISP's usage policy (which may or may not mention Usenetiquette).
One, by participating in news and the newsgroups, should follow custom.
BTW, which part(s) of the privately-owned ISPs/Internet is public
property? When the Internet was Arpanet, it was clearly Big Goverment's
doing (and clearly trying to subterfuge your individual rights with
10Base-2 nooses). Now that the Internet is co-owned like such a bastard
socialistic goverment, exactly which router did YOUR taxes pay for?
And given the communal cost-sharing and configuring of the Internet, why
are undying pioneers of rugged individualism like Travid participating?
Jay Patrick Howard
Charlie (zebra...@email.msn.com) wrote:
: And, what justifies harassment and misuse in your book?
Flooding a newsgroup with posts that aren't related to the acknowledged
topic of the group? My preferred newsreader happens to not implement
killfiles. There are so many Tracey-originated threads now, I can hardly
tell when something on-topic actually appears.
: Now, if a person has a personal complaint against a =
: specific person, then by a means, file a complaint.
I do, and I have.
: But, to try and =
: rally people to conspire to chase someone off because they don't like =
: what that person has to say, is wrong.
That would be wrong, but that's not what Matt did. He simply voiced his
opinion that Tracey was misusing this group, and encouraged others who
agree to take action.
: What if next week, Matt goes on =
: a rampage against blacks? or hispanics? or Jews? Etc? Etc? Etc? Will =
: you still claim this position?
In that case, his posts would no longer be on-topic for the newsgroup, and
I'd send off a complaint about him as well.
Tracey Levin
Charlie wrote:
>
> Jay
>
> And, what justifies harassment and misuse in your book? It's all
> subjective. Now, if a person has a personal complaint against a
> specific person, then by a means, file a complaint. But, to try and
> rally people to conspire to chase someone off because they don't like
> on a rampage against blacks? or hispanics? or Jews? Etc? Etc? Etc?
> Will you still claim this position?
>
BTW, I have stated before that if members of the homosexual community
were responsible for writing the Amendments to the Constitution, freedom
of speech would probably be limited to talking about the weather.
Tracey Levin
Brent Burton wrote a bunch of silly stuff.
Brent, I will say what I think no matter what you think about it.
If you do not like what I write, don't read my posts.
If talking about sin and homosexuality in the same sentence
bothers you, maybe you need to turn to the Lord and work it out with
him.
But, I promise you that you cannot quiet the opposition to
homosexuality. The Boy Scouts have won. Ellen is gone. And things are
beginingto look much brighter. This country is not pro-homosexual. It
never has been, nor will it ever be. If you want to be queer, no one
can stop you, but don't expect the rest of the population to accept what
youre doing as normal and wonderful or on par with normal
heterosexuality in marriage.
What is the average life expectancy of the homosexaul?
I know the answer, do you?
You would think what with so many leftists seekng to eliminate all
dangers in life through some provision of government that they would
also describe the awfulness of the gay lifestyle. Many commit suicide
because of the frustration of the lifestyle. Many have more than one
STD not counting HIV. Their lives are cut short by almost 20 years on
average! Is this a lifestyle that should be touted as wonderful and
equal to heterosexuality?
Tracey Levin
Charlie wrote:
>
> Jay
>
> And, what justifies harassment and misuse in your book? It's all
> subjective. Now, if a person has a personal complaint against a
> specific person, then by a means, file a complaint. But, to try and
> rally people to conspire to chase someone off because they don't like
> what that person has to say, is wrong. What if next week, Matt goes
> on a rampage against blacks? or hispanics? or Jews? Etc? Etc? Etc?
> Will you still claim this position?
>
> prefer it to plain text, since using it is part of my work. Maybe
> this board should consider moving into the 20th century? :-)
I agree on both points. HTML is great and I do use it.
Tracey Levin
James Corral wrote:
> I don't see anything childish in this idea. As for kill files, I'm tired of
> having to kill 5-6 subjects everyday.
>
> James Corral
Well James, take your best shot, Pal. But remember, Im a girl and if
I tell Clinton that youre picking on me, he will take away your rights
to keep and bear arms. And, who knows what I might do to you by myself!
Girls have their ways you know.
luke
Tracey Levin wrote:
>
> Brent Burton wrote a bunch of silly stuff.
>
> Brent, I will say what I think no matter what you think about it.
> If you do not like what I write, don't read my posts.
> If talking about sin and homosexuality in the same sentence
> bothers you, maybe you need to turn to the Lord and work it out with
> him.
>
> But, I promise you that you cannot quiet the opposition to
> homosexuality. The Boy Scouts have won. Ellen is gone. And things are
> beginingto look much brighter.
ohhh really....tracey/david, you really like to ignore facts, don't you.
Just today, the Rhode Island House of Representatives voted to repeal
that state's sodomy law.
Philadelphia PA and Fayetteville AK have become just two of the newest
cities in the country to add "sexual orientation" to their equal rights
statements, and Philiadelphia now offers domestic partnerships.
The state of Arizona last week added "sexual orientation" to it equal
rights amendment.
The Boy Scouts lost in New Jersey, the City of Berkley voted this
weekend to withdraw the free berths that the city had been providing to
the Boy Scouts, and the United Way across the country has dropped the
Boy Scouts.
The future looks bright, all right, bright for those who believe in
equal rights for everyone.
However, if you tend to be an idiot...well, its time to turn off the
lights.
This country is not pro-homosexual. It
> never has been, nor will it ever be. If you want to be queer, no one
> can stop you, but don't expect the rest of the population to accept what
> youre doing as normal and wonderful or on par with normal
> heterosexuality in marriage.
Let's see, Hawaii has already ruled that they cannot withhold marriage
from same-sex couples, Alaska has a simular ruling, and cases are now
pending in Vermont and New Jersey...I'd say things are changing...for
the better.
> What is the average life expectancy of the homosexaul?
> I know the answer, do you?
Oh gawd.,,,,now you've been reading Paul Cameron, who BTW lost his
professional credintials for falsifying research on just this question.
According to Cameron, the average life expentancy of homosexuals is just
30 years, but he got that figure by taking one issue of the "Washington
Blade" and averaging the ages of those listed in the obits. Real
scientific.
Oh, and he's an idiot too....
>
> You would think what with so many leftists seekng to eliminate all
> dangers in life through some provision of government that they would
> also describe the awfulness of the gay lifestyle.
The gay lifestyle is not deadly, however, homophobia is.
Many commit suicide
> because of the frustration of the lifestyle.
You need to read the studies closer. The roots of the flustration is
found in the bashing of gays and lesbians by idiots like yourself.
Many have more than one
> STD not counting HIV.
Ok...how about the recent studies that show that one in five teenagers
have veneral warts? That AIDS is on the rise in the teenage population
(the straight teenage population, that is)....and why? Because real men
don't use condoms, at least according to their parents and religious
leaders.
Their lives are cut short by almost 20 years on
> average! Is this a lifestyle that should be touted as wonderful and
> equal to heterosexuality?
Well, it is wonder and it is equal to heterosexuality.
And you are an idiot....
Now, go away.
Robert
David Smith
Actually, SW Bell will revoke the account if any disparaging remarks are
made about Southwestern Bell. It is in their acceptable use policy. (See
http://www.swbell.net/legal/use.html, particularly the section banning
"Materials which hold SBIS including its affiliates, employees or
shareholders up to public scorn or ridicule. ")
Personally, I respect Chuck Herrick more than when he was a regular. Sure
he was a curmudgeon but he was austin.general's curmudgeon.
Clay wrote in message <35580d63...@news3.bga.com>...
>
>I'll say again, I think this is childish. First of all it is very
>unlikely that swbell will do anything. Second, Tracey was the reason
>kill files are an essentail feature. Use them.
>_______________________________
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>www.dillonet.com
Charlie
Nighthawk wrote in message <35579c92...@news.tamu.edu>..."Charlie" <zebra...@email.msn.com> wrote:
>conspiring to deny another participant's First Amendment Rights!! =20
Charlie,
Who ever said that the first amendement applies to all of the
Internet?
I certainly seem to recall that the internet is a GLOBAL, VIRTUAL
construct. Many countries do not have a First Amendment. When
someone is posting from the Ukraine, does their government have the
right to censor their speech... we may not like it but Damn Skippy
they do.
The right to free speech as Oliver Wendell Holmes far more eloquently
stated than I could, does not give someone the carte blanche right to
say anything anywhere. The specific example of this is yelling fire
in a theater -- this is not constitutionally protected.
You *might* have a little stronger argument in the argument of freedom
of the press, but this is not press in any strict sense of the word.
Legal theologians are struggling with how to define the internet, and
I think that will be its ultimate demise.
Right now we self regulate, when someone like Tracey the Troll annoys
the shit out of us we tell Him/Her to go away.
If Tracey is a TU alum, or lives in Austin, these would be the
appropriate forums for his/her rantings. Since it would not be
possible to be a simultaneous member of the communities of austin,
dfw, houston, utexas and tamu, those of us trying to have our own
discussions would appreciate not being included in all of the others
as well.
If everyone had universal freedom of speech the way you seem to think
the Internet should work, then we'd have 15,000 channels of Public
Access TV (and there'd still never be anything good on) In this case
Tracey would be on five channels at once - kinda rude if you're
channel surfing trying to get to ESPN :)
Tracey Levin
Robert acting like luke wrote a bunch of silly stuff.
Tracey Levin
Nighthawk wrote:
>
> "Charlie" <zebra...@email.msn.com> wrote:
>
> >conspiring to deny another participant's First Amendment Rights!! =20
>
> Charlie,
> Who ever said that the first amendement applies to all of the
> Internet?
>
> I certainly seem to recall that the internet is a GLOBAL, VIRTUAL
> construct.
Wrong. It has become that, but it was designed to be a communications
medium for defense research DARPA etc. Thus, it is American made. Even
the first browsers were American designed. In the past month, our
favorite Marxist turned over the control of the Net to some group of
europeans with respect to name authorization, but they have no control
over content, yet.
> Many countries do not have a First Amendment.
Nooo! Say it isn't so! I suppose you suggesting then that our
freedoms should be equally limited because other countries don't have
the same level of freedom that we enjoy??? Now, isn't that funny!
Thats just like OBE! So, we all shoot for the bottom instead of
encouraging governments to allow people to speak freely on the Net???
Tracey Levin
Chip Rosenthal wrote:
> The Nazi assholes who post from dorm.utexas.edu, for instance, should
> be granted a certain right of access. David (Houston) and Speedbump
> (Massachusetts) should not.
What about fat Jewish boys who have ugly pictures on their systems?
Tracey Levin
Will Bell wrote:
> Travid's style of posting is to just splat it to as many .general's as
> possible, because he knows that his sophomoric arguments won't last 5
> seconds in a legitimate forum such as a talk.politics.*
illlBlew, you don't have the brain power to counter any of my
messages.
Anthony Sloan
Tracey Levin wrote:
>
> Matt wrote:
> >
> > I'm so tired of Tracey's continued off-topic postings to these
> > newsgroups.
>
> Matt, *.general groups are open to general topics of discussion.
Travid is a paper tiger at best, incapable of causing any real harm.
Let him type and either ignore him or engage in the all too easy task of
exposing his hypocrisy.
Expending effort to censure him gives far too much importance to a mere
usenet troll.
Anthony
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In article <6j7ir0$liu$1...@news.jumpnet.com>, Joe D <jo...@jump.net> wrote:
>Unfortunately, unless the charter for the group is changed, it's not
>explicitly forbidden.
I disagree. It's prohibited under the "rude guest" provision.
The Nazi assholes who post from dorm.utexas.edu, for instance, should
be granted a certain right of access. David (Houston) and Speedbump
(Massachusetts) should not.
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"Charlie" <zebra...@email.msn.com> wrote:
>conspiring to deny another participant's First Amendment Rights!! =20
Charlie,
Who ever said that the first amendement applies to all of the
Internet?
I certainly seem to recall that the internet is a GLOBAL, VIRTUAL
construct. Many countries do not have a First Amendment. When
Will Bell
In a previous article, "Charlie" <zebra...@email.msn.com> wrote:
>
>Mind telling me what topics are acceptable here? And, is it your habit =
>of stepping of the Constitutional Freedoms that we are all supposed to =
>enjoy? It's not Tracey that worries me, it's idiots like you that are =
Sadly, you miss the point. I don't think anyone would deny Travid
the right to post what s/he wants to, it's just the choice of venue.
Anyone with a bit of netiquette left in them (if there are any such
people remaining) knows good and well what is and isn't appropriate to
post to .general newsgroups. Random political screeds du jour are not
on the list unless they are of specific regional interest.
Travid's style of posting is to just splat it to as many .general's as
possible, because he knows that his sophomoric arguments won't last 5
seconds in a legitimate forum such as a talk.politics.* so he sticks to
where he can still get a rise out of people.
Anyway, a carefully constructed kill file can get rid of most Travid
generated information in this newsgroup*, here's some of mine for a
starting point. This is my recommended approach for dealing with him.
/davi...@flash.net/h:,=
/trac...@swbell.net/h:,=
/Newsgroups:.*general,.*general,.*general,.*/h:j=
("This newsgroup" is dfw.general, for me. God knows how many other
.general's have been touched at one time or another by Travid.)
--
Will Bell -- wbb at netcom dot com -- DeepinahartaTexas
Spamblock removed since it wasn't doing any good anyway.
Brent Burton
trac...@swbell.net wrote:
| [...] If talking about sin and homosexuality in the same sentence
| him.
I don't think I need to drag Him into this, because I don't have a problem
with *what* you say. David/Tracey, I am not talking about this one thread
only. I am talking about how you crosspost nearly every issue you deem
important to a variety of unrelated groups. Why tamu.general? What's
specific about TAMU to your threads? Why austin.general -- what's
specific about Austin? If you want relevant groups, try the
following:
alt.politics
alt.politics.homosexuality
alt.politics.economics
alt.politics.radical-left
talk.politics.*
I'm sure with that mix you can find hours upon hours of entertainment.
Of course, each region typically has it's own .politics group,
*presumably* for *local* issues. Ahem.
| [...] If you want to be queer, no one can stop you, but don't expect
| the rest of the population to accept what youre doing as normal and
| wonderful or on par with normal heterosexuality in marriage.
I suggest you substitute "one" for "you" because the personal tone of
your note is misdirected. Obviously, you know nothing about my
personal life. Hint: I married in Texas four years ago.
| You would think what with so many leftists seekng to eliminate all
| dangers in life through some provision of government that they would
| also describe the awfulness of the gay lifestyle.
Homosexuality isn't necessarily more dangerous than heterosexuality.
*Promiscuity* and poor decisions are the risk.
David, you know the drill.
Erik
On Mon, 11 May 1998 23:08:08 -0500, Tracey Levin <trac...@swbell.net> scrawled
out:
> illlBlew, you don't have the brain power to counter any of my
>messages.
[snicker]
Tracey, you're an idiot.
Coming from you, that's an admission of inferiority.
- Erik Smith
[ http://helix.dorm.utexas.edu ]
["Your indignation, your problem." ]
[My real e-mail is at chrysalis.org]
Colin Allen
You are *soooooo* ignorant.
Read http://www.w3.org/History.html and learn something.
--
Colin Allen
http://snaefell.tamu.edu/~colin/
Clayton Colwell
Wallowing in irony, Charlie (zebra...@email.msn.com) wrote:
: As for my use of html, I use it more than I do groups that don't. I =
: prefer it to plain text, since using it is part of my work. Maybe this =
: board should consider moving into the 20th century? :-)
Um, this is not a "board", this is a USENET newsgroup.
****** Clay Colwell (aka StealthSmurf) ********** er...@bga.com ******
* "In the future, we will recognize software crashes as technologically *
* mandated ergonomic rest breaks - and we will pay extra for them." *
* -- Crazy Uncle Joe Hannibal *
Clay
On Tue, 12 May 1998 01:36:05 GMT, ch...@unicom.com (Chip Rosenthal)
wrote:
>The Nazi assholes who post from dorm.utexas.edu, for instance, should
>be granted a certain right of access. David (Houston) and Speedbump
>(Massachusetts) should not.
So now the ability to participate on a global network is limited by
physical location?
Patrick L. Humphrey
er...@bga.com (Clayton Colwell) writes:
>Wallowing in irony, Charlie (zebra...@email.msn.com) wrote:
>: As for my use of html, I use it more than I do groups that don't. I =
>: prefer it to plain text, since using it is part of my work. Maybe this =
>: board should consider moving into the 20th century? :-)
>Um, this is not a "board", this is a USENET newsgroup.
Indeed...maybe Charlie (and his ISP) should consider moving into the late 20th
century.
--PLH, there goes another irony meter
Clay
On Tue, 12 May 1998 02:43:30 GMT, w...@netcom.com (Will Bell) wrote:
>Anyone with a bit of netiquette left in them (if there are any such
>people remaining) knows good and well what is and isn't appropriate to
>post to .general newsgroups. Random political screeds du jour are not
>on the list unless they are of specific regional interest.
So now we have to watch what we post in a .general newsgroup? I'll
agree that Tracey is rude to crosspost his boring, predictable, and
phoney brain farts. However, I would rather have the option of
reading or ignoring him then worry about watching everything I say and
do for fear I'll get MY ISP called.
Clayton Colwell
[followups limited to austin.general and houston.general]
Tracey Levin (trac...@swbell.net) wrote:
: BTW, I have stated before that if members of the homosexual community
: were responsible for writing the Amendments to the Constitution, freedom
: of speech would probably be limited to talking about the weather.
DejaNews to the rescue!
Funny thing, Tracey. DejaNews has nothing like that archived
over the last two years for you. It *does* have something similar
to this statement made in May & June of 1997 -- by David.
References --
Subject: Re: Marriage and the Gay Political Caucus
Message-ID <33907C...@flash.net>, written by davi...@flash.net
" If today, homosexuals were writing the Constitution, do you think
they would recognize the God given right to Freedom of Speech?"
Subject: Re: brett hawn and homosexuality: If they are bible thumping morons, they are abnormal and should be shot on
Message-ID <3398A7...@flash.net>, written by davi...@flash.net
" A few days ago, I stated something like what if homosexuals were
writing the Constitution at this time in history, would they respect the
rights God has given us all like freedom of speech, freedom of the
press, personal property rights, etc."
Give up the false front, Travid. I don't see why you take
so much pride in being proven an idiot over and over again.
Clayton Colwell
Tracey Levin (trac...@swbell.net) wrote:
: Robert acting like luke wrote a bunch of silly stuff.
IOW: "I, Travid the Idiot, once again cannot refute anything
Robert said."
<sarcasm> Color me so surprised. </sarcasm>
kitten
luke wrote:
>
[snip]
> Robert
kitten giggles and pokes Robert. "Hey Rob, your SO's showing again."
--
--> kitten <--
cain...@usa.net
<insert witty quote here>
kitten
Clay wrote:
>
> However, I would rather have the option of
> reading or ignoring him then worry about watching everything I say and
> do for fear I'll get MY ISP called.
kitten grins impishly. "Go ahead, call my ISP. I'll probably answer the
phone." ;)
Erik
On Tue, 12 May 1998 01:36:05 GMT, ch...@unicom.com (Chip Rosenthal) scrawled out:
>The Nazi assholes who post from dorm.utexas.edu, for instance, should
>be granted a certain right of access. David (Houston) and Speedbump
>(Massachusetts) should not.
Huh?
This has me baffled. The National Alliance folks ["Nazi assholes?"] aren't
"from" dorm.utexas.edu.
Chip Rosenthal
In article <35585866...@news3.bga.com>,
Clay <clayn@NO_JUNKbga.com> wrote:
>So now the ability to participate on a global network is limited by
>physical location?
What exactly about "Austin newsgroups" do you fail to understand?
Robert Schroeder
kitten wrote:
>
> luke wrote:
> >
>
> [snip]
>
> > Robert
>
> kitten giggles and pokes Robert. "Hey Rob, your SO's showing again."
>
> --
BTW, watch this space for further announcements concerning a very
special commitment ceremony later this summer.
Oh, tracey/david, this "commitment ceremony" has nothing to do with the
looney bin....its like a wedding, without the bigotry....
Robert
Lane Wimberley
Joe D wrote:
>
> Brent Burton <bre...@pentagon.io.com> wrote:
> > I hope others can see the difference between absolute rights and
> > the inherent consideration, courtesy and responsibility these rights
> > require. So many on the 'net just don't grok it. For this, letters
> > to Travid's ISP *are* a good idea.
>
> I understand it just fine. And for the record, I think that Travid's
> crossposting is flagrant net abuse.
I agree. I also agree that absolutely the best course is to
ignore him. I simply can't believe the amount of traffic
on a.g I see that starts with David's same-ol'-same-ol' that
is followed by fifty posts from regulars who should know better.
A.g used to be so nice; now it's loud and boring.
--
Lane Wimberley
Microelectronics and Computer Technology Corporation
Austin, TX
kitten
Robert Schroeder wrote:
>
> BTW, watch this space for further announcements concerning a very
> special commitment ceremony later this summer.
kitten ooooos, has never been to anything remotely resembling a
wedding/commitment ceremony thingy...well...-technically- she was at her
mother's, but no one knew it at the time. She wonders if she can do
something, like, official...and...can she throw catnip instead of rice?
:)
Clay
On Tue, 12 May 1998 16:43:47 GMT, ch...@unicom.com (Chip Rosenthal)
wrote:
>What exactly about "Austin newsgroups" do you fail to understand?
I don't understand your question. I was responding to a position that
someone shouldn't be allowed to post to an austin.* newsgroup if they
were not currently living in Austin. Qualifications about geography
are silly on newsgroups and impossible to enforce.
This group is supposed to be talking about Austin specific topics, but
a group is made up of it's members and what they want to talk about.
There is no way to prevent that nor should there be.
There is room for everyone in austin.general. I think that anyone
that tries to get a person's ISP account closed because of a few
Usenet postings is behaving childishly. If you don't like it don't
read it. It's not as if it takes a monumental amount of time to
download those extra headers. Not that my opinion has anything to do
with another person's actions. Netcop if you (or whoever started the
thread) want to, but I won't have any part of it.
I'm going to take my own advice and stop following this thread. If
anyone REALLY want's to talk about it they know where to find me
(email).
Bostik
>So now we have to watch what we post in a .general newsgroup? I'll
>agree that Tracey is rude to crosspost his boring, predictable, and
>phoney brain farts. However, I would rather have the option of
>reading or ignoring him then worry about watching everything I say and
>do for fear I'll get MY ISP called.
>_______________________________
>Clay Niemann
Id have to agree. Treat it all just like personal or secular relationship
where you cant make someone shut-up because you dont like what they have to
say, but you sure as hell can ignore them. Has anyone ever tried just
ignoring someone whos talking directly to you? The response is incredible.
They usually leave, and leave mad. All because of the power of ignorance. If
noone responded to an irritating party, that party would eventually go
somewhere else. Afterall its no fun if you cant get a response from those
your trying to irritate. The first step to winning an argument is not even
to step into it.
Chip Rosenthal
In article <35587128....@newshost.cc.utexas.edu>,
Erik <erik....@chrysalis.HRMPH.org> wrote:
>Huh?
>
>This has me baffled. The National Alliance folks ["Nazi assholes?"] aren't
>"from" dorm.utexas.edu.
I've seen at least some of the hate postings come from utexas.edu
addresses.
Hard to imagine that such an inbred moron had the SATs to get into
Romper Room, never mind a 4-year university.
Robert Schroeder
kitten wrote:
>
> Robert Schroeder wrote:
> >
> > BTW, watch this space for further announcements concerning a very
> > special commitment ceremony later this summer.
>
> kitten ooooos, has never been to anything remotely resembling a
> wedding/commitment ceremony thingy...well...-technically- she was at her
> mother's, but no one knew it at the time. She wonders if she can do
> something, like, official...and...can she throw catnip instead of rice?
> :)
>
> --
rice....we don't have to worry about that fertility thingy at all!
Robert
kitten
Robert Schroeder wrote:
>
> Please, you are more than welcome to throw anything you like....except
> rice....we don't have to worry about that fertility thingy at all!
kitten bounces happily, clapping her paws together, "Anything at all?
Oh, goodie!!!" *starts making shopping list* "Hmmm...I wonder if mangos
are in season.."
Lothar
Thanks for posting this. I could not agree with you more. Just ignore him.
It's similar to the times the kids come through the neighborhood with their
car stereos cranked up to 11, shaking our house off of it's foundation. I
do not even acknowledge their existence, as they are just looking for
attention. They will more than likely drive somewhere else where they can
get a rise out of someone. Or better yet, it's like getting kids that prank
call you on the telephone. We have a guy here in the office that will argue
and threaten these kids who call his number. Gee, I wonder why they call
him over and over? I admit I did participate in the David/Tracey bashing at
one time, but it got boring really quick, it was time to move on.
Bostik <Bos...@aol.com> wrote in article
<6ja98f$o...@sjx-ixn11.ix.netcom.com>...
Joe D
David acting like Tracey wrote a bunch more silly stuff.
Joe D
--
On the internet, nobody knows you're a dog.
But they sure as hell know what your cat looks like.
Ross Russell
Robert Schroeder wrote:
> > >
> > > BTW, watch this space for further announcements concerning a very
> > > special commitment ceremony later this summer.
Yes! Keep us posted, Robert.
Ross
Nighthawk
Tracey Levin <trac...@swbell.net> wrote:
>> I certainly seem to recall that the internet is a GLOBAL, VIRTUAL
>> construct.
>
> Wrong. It has become that, but it was designed to be a communications
>medium for defense research DARPA etc. Thus, it is American made. Even
>the first browsers were American designed. In the past month, our
>favorite Marxist turned over the control of the Net to some group of
>europeans with respect to name authorization, but they have no control
>over content, yet.
Tracey. DARPAnet is NOT the Internet. Yes, the original T1 and slower
infrastructure formed the building blocks of *structure* for what
would become the Internet.
BFD on who developed the infrastructure and the core browser
technology... a Russian invented the helicopter, I don't see you
ranting and protesting their use.
Tracey
Chip Rosenthal wrote:
>
> In article <35585866...@news3.bga.com>,
> Clay <clayn@NO_JUNKbga.com> wrote:
> >So now the ability to participate on a global network is limited by
> >physical location?
>
>
Did someone kick over your rock?
--
Checkout these sites:
Chris Broadbent
Bostik <Bos...@aol.com> wrote in article
<6ja98f$o...@sjx-ixn11.ix.netcom.com>...
>
> <SNIP> ..
>
> Id have to agree. Treat it all just like personal or secular
relationship
> where you cant make someone shut-up because you dont like what they have
to
> say, but you sure as hell can ignore them. Has anyone ever tried just
> ignoring someone whos talking directly to you? The response is
incredible.
> They usually leave, and leave mad.
>
> ..<SNIP>
Therein lies the true secret. If the antagonist were ignored, we'd be free
of it in relatively short order. But notice how long the threads grow each
time the Tracey or David character posts some piece of inflammatory prose?
They are often the longest threads in the group. This must stoke her or
his ego no end.
As in "The Tempest" or "Forbidden Planet", the monster is the group's own
creation. Don't think about it or talk to it and it'll evaporate. If
everyone were to ignore her or him, s/he would leave soon enough.
Sadly, I too have responded in the past. From now on, I shall make no
further mention or response to any such originating thread.
Cheers,
Chris
Erik
On Mon, 11 May 1998 22:47:55 -0500, Tracey Levin <trac...@swbell.net> scrawled
out:
>Robert acting like luke wrote a bunch of silly stuff.
Just admit defeat like a good little kid and maybe you can have some sugar pops.
H Gilmer
Chris Broadbent (xc...@bga.com) wrote:
: Sadly, I too have responded in the past. From now on, I shall make no
: further mention or response to any such originating thread.
Don't I remember lots of similar vows from about 6 months ago?
Hg
Rep...@bible.net
Please don't be so hard on Tracey. She is only following the word of
the Lord which is quite clear. The Lord says,
"If a man lies with a male as a women, both of them have
committed an abomination; they shall be put to death" (Lev
20:13).
I would like to add that this is not all that displeases the
Lord. He is not kidding. Look:
"If you are not careful to do all the words of this law which are
written in this book, that you may fear this glorious and awful name,
the Lord your God, then the Lord will bring on you and your offspring
extraordinary afflictions, afflictions severe and lasting, and
sicknesses grievous and lasting" (Dt 28:58-59).
You should read the entire Bible to find out but to help
you sinners out, I will give you a few tips.
For starters, Don't work on Saturday! Look:
"Six days you shall labor, and do all your work; but the seventh
day is a sabbath to the Lord your God; in it you shall not do
any work" (Dt 5:12-14).
I hope none of you has worked on Saturday because the Lord is quite
clear about this. Tracey? David? Have you? Its very clear. The
people of Israel even questioned the Lord just to make sure. Here's
what happened.
"While the people of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man
gathering sticks on the sabbath day. And those who found him
gathering sticks brought him to Moses and Aaron, and to all the
congregation. They put him in custody, because it had not been made
plain what should be done to him. And the Lord said to Moses, 'The
man shall be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with
stones outside the camp.' And all the congregation brought him
outside the camp, and stoned him to death with stones, as the Lord
commanded Moses" (Num 15:32-36).
Good. Justice was done. Yes, working on Saturday is evil says the Lord
and the punishment is death, just like for homosexuality. Pre-marital
sex? You guessed it. DEATH! Look:
"But if the thing is true, that the tokens of virginity were
not found in the young woman, then they shall bring out the
young woman to the door of her father's house, and the men of
her city shall stone her to death with stones"
(Dt 22:20- 21).
Some more laws whose sentence is the death penalty.
"Whoever curses his father or mother shall be put to death"
(Ex 21:17).
"If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son, who will not
obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother . . .
all the men of the city shall stone him to death with stones"
(Dt 21:18-21).
"You shall not permit a sorceress to live" (Ex 22:18).
"A man or a women who is a medium or a wizard shall be put to
death; they shall be stoned with stones, their blood shall be
upon them" (Lev 20:27).
"If a man commits adultery with the wife of his neighbor,
both the adulterer and the adulteress shall be put to death"
(Lev 20:10).
"If your brother, the son of your mother, or your son, or
your daughter, or the wife of your bosom, or your friend who
is as your own soul, entices you secretly, saying 'Let us go
and serve other gods,' which neither you nor your fathers
have known, some of the gods of the peoples that are round
about you . . . you shall kill him; your hand shall be first
against him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of
all the people. You shall stone him to death with stones"
(Dt 13:6-10).
Wow. This is serious stuff! Start gathering stones folks because
there are lots of people in need of stoning according to God. Just
make sure you don't gather them on Saturday -- remember the guy
gathering the sticks on Saturday? Big mistake. What was he
THINKING? The Lord doesn't just say things for his health. His
health is fine; He's the Lord for um goodness sakes.
So such a strict disiplinarian as the Lord would never permit something
unless it were A-OK. Take slavery for example. You may think slavery
is immoral, but you'd be wrong. Look: (The speaker is God)
"As for your male and female slaves whom you may have: you
may buy male and female slaves from among the nations that
are round about you. You may also buy from among the
strangers who sojourn with you and their families that are
with you, who have been born in your land; and they may be
your property. You may bequeath them to your sons after you,
to inherit as possession for ever; you may make slaves of
them" (Lev 25:44-46).
This quote is a mere few pages away from the quote where God condemns
homosexuality. So if he meant that one, then he meant this one too.
Very clear. Slavery is perfectly acceptable. Its even ok to beat
your slaves as long as you don't go *too* far. What is too far?
Well, you can't beat your slaves to death (duh), but anything else
is fair game.
"When a man strikes his slave, male or female, with a rod and
the slaves dies under his hand, he shall be punished. But if
the slave survives a day or two, he is not to be punished;
for the slave is his money" (Ex 21:21).
"When a man strikes the eye of his slave, and destroys it, he
shall let the slave go free for the eye's sake" (Ex 21:26).
God even has rules governing the sale of your children into slavery.
"When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she shall not go out
as male slaves do. If she does not please her master . . ."
(Ex 21:7).
There's much more great stuff where these came from. But this is
enough for tonight. I encourage everyone to read the Bible very
carefully. You may be shocked with what you find. I was.
Max Tindell
Anthony Sloan wrote:
> Travid is a paper tiger at best, incapable of causing any real harm.
> Let him type and either ignore him or engage in the all too easy task of
> exposing his hypocrisy.
>
> Expending effort to censure him gives far too much importance to a mere
> usenet troll.
Seems to me that he is thoroughly censured daily.
Max
Ross Russell
kitten wrote:
>
> Robert Schroeder wrote:
> >
> > Please, you are more than welcome to throw anything you like....except
> > rice....we don't have to worry about that fertility thingy at all!
>
> kitten bounces happily, clapping her paws together, "Anything at all?
> Oh, goodie!!!" *starts making shopping list* "Hmmm...I wonder if mangos
> are in season.."
>
"Maaannnngoooooo. My Maaannnngooooooo."
Ross snaps out of SNL-skit-related-trance and resumes his work.
Ross Russell
Chris Broadbent wrote:
>
>
> Therein lies the true secret. If the antagonist were ignored, we'd be free
I say we give the ignoring idea a try.
Ross
Clayton Colwell
H Gilmer (gil...@uts.cc.utexas.edu) wrote:
: Chris Broadbent (xc...@bga.com) wrote:
We'll start a 12-step program called TRA: Travid Respondents
Anonymous. We'll support each other to kick the habit, learn
to remember that USENET is Just Words, and give out pins to
those of us who manage not to (F)ollowup Travid for a full
month.
It can be done. Small steps, and all that.
Clayton Colwell
kitten (notk...@no-more.spam.com) wrote:
: Robert Schroeder wrote:
: >
: > BTW, watch this space for further announcements concerning a very
: > special commitment ceremony later this summer.
: kitten ooooos, has never been to anything remotely resembling a
: wedding/commitment ceremony thingy...well...-technically- she was at her
: mother's, but no one knew it at the time. She wonders if she can do
: something, like, official...and...can she throw catnip instead of rice?
You *really* want Robert and luke to be mobbed by decades of
catnip-aroused felines? My, such kittenish humor!
Actually, I'm curious about the aerodynamic properties of catnip.
The fresh stuff doesn't get much distance (unless you heave the
pottery it's in along with it) -- same with the dried stuff. Or
were you planning on perching on top of the doors of the
establishment the ceremony is to take place in and gently
sprinkle it about their heads and shoulders as they exit?
Clayton Colwell
Robert Schroeder (Mb...@swbell.net) wrote:
: kitten wrote:
: >
: > wedding/commitment ceremony thingy...well...-technically- she was at her
: > mother's, but no one knew it at the time. She wonders if she can do
: > something, like, official...and...can she throw catnip instead of rice?
: Please, you are more than welcome to throw anything you like....except
: rice....we don't have to worry about that fertility thingy at all!
Fine. I'll throw a tantrum. ;-)
Tracey
Max Tindell wrote:
>
> Anthony Sloan wrote:
>
> > Travid is a paper tiger at best, incapable of causing any real harm.
> > Let him type and either ignore him or engage in the all too easy task of
> > exposing his hypocrisy.
> >
> > Expending effort to censure him gives far too much importance to a mere
Anthony, thats easy to say, but few liberals can back up their own
beliefs because few liberal know what they believe!
Its easy to attack me because I expand greatly on what I believe in.
But, most liberals only shoot at those who step forward. They never
ever come out of the closet to explain and support liberal leftist
ideology because that would make them very vulnerable.
kitten
Rep...@Bible.net wrote:
>
[bible trivia snipped]
kitten hmmms a bit, scratching her head as she reads over the Bible
stuff. After a bit, she chuckles. Yup, damned. One damned kitten, just
as she suspected. Glancing to Robert, she inquires, "Do you think
they'll let Mr.Mousie into Hell with me?"
Clayton Colwell
kitten (notk...@no-more.spam.com) wrote:
: Rep...@Bible.net wrote:
: >
: [bible trivia snipped]
: kitten hmmms a bit, scratching her head as she reads over the Bible
: stuff. After a bit, she chuckles. Yup, damned. One damned kitten, just
: as she suspected. Glancing to Robert, she inquires, "Do you think
: they'll let Mr.Mousie into Hell with me?"
You Can't Take It With You. HTH.
Erik
On Wed, 13 May 1998 10:23:05 -0500, Tracey <trac...@swbell.net> scrawled out:
> Anthony, thats easy to say, but few liberals can back up their own
>beliefs because few liberal know what they believe!
> Its easy to attack me because I expand greatly on what I believe in.
>But, most liberals only shoot at those who step forward. They never
>ever come out of the closet to explain and support liberal leftist
>ideology because that would make them very vulnerable.
You've never even bothered to paint a clear picture of the "liberalism" that you
attack incessantly. You construct a straw man so preposterous, and so far from
reality that it's hard to label as "straw man." Your slippery slope, ad homenum,
and post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacies completely displace any shreds of logic
that may exist in your arguments. Don't get me started on the way you argue to
the crowd and your clumsy method of not answering the question.
You might know what you believe in, but you are a failure when it comes to
arguing for it.
Elrod
Tracey <trac...@swbell.net> wrote:
:>Max Tindell wrote:
:>>
:>> Anthony Sloan wrote:
:>>
:>> > Travid is a paper tiger at best, incapable of causing any real harm.
:>> > Let him type and either ignore him or engage in the all too easy task of
:>> > exposing his hypocrisy.
:>> >
:>> > Expending effort to censure him gives far too much importance to a mere
:> Anthony, thats easy to say, but few liberals can back up their own
:>beliefs because few liberal know what they believe!
I find it amusing watching you spout your drivel on the liberals. How
do you define a "liberal"? Is a liberal anyone who disagrees with
the tenets of "Rush" or "Newt" or "Pat"? Or is it someone
who fails follow the flock and take things as given? Or is it
just someone who disagrees with your beliefs?
You might start with your dictionary.
liberal:
1) favoring progress and reform, as in politics and religion,etc.
2) open-minded or tolerant
3) characterized by generosity and willingness to give in
large amounts.
4) giving freely or abundantly.
5) not strict or literal.
6) a person of liberal principles or views.
Just to be fair.
conservative
1) disposed to perserve existing conditions, institutions,etc.,
and to resist change.
2) cautious or moderate
3) traditional in style or manner.
4) of political conservatism
5) a conservative person
:> Its easy to attack me because I expand greatly on what I believe in.
:>But, most liberals only shoot at those who step forward. They never
:>ever come out of the closet to explain and support liberal leftist
:>ideology because that would make them very vulnerable.
It is easy to attack you because you fail to support your arguments
with facts and figures and you do little or no research on your
opponents arguments. If you find yourself trapped or unable to
answer a question, you resort to name calling.
I hope your legal briefs and your courtroom arguments are
better thought out. Your clients deserve it.
:>Checkout these sites:
Looked through them and found them lacking.
Reality is so much fun.
Elrod
I love a dog. He does nothing for political reasons.
--- Will Rogers
For every simple problem, there's a solution that is
short, simple, .... and wrong.
--- H.L. Mencken
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Isaiah 32
[7] The instruments also of the churl are evil: he deviseth wicked devices
to destroy the poor with lying words, even when the needy speaketh right.
[8] But the liberal deviseth liberal things; and by liberal things shall he
stand.
Clay
On 13 May 98 14:39:42 GMT, er...@bga.com (Clayton Colwell) wrote:
>Actually, I'm curious about the aerodynamic properties of catnip.
>The fresh stuff doesn't get much distance (unless you heave the
>pottery it's in along with it) -- same with the dried stuff.
You might get more distance if you throw the cat along with the
catnip... (Clay apologizes to kitten and his own two meowers but the
image of tons of people throwing cats at a bride and groom wouldn't go
away--brain hiccup).
_______________________________
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Craig Motsenbocker
Matt wrote:
> > Its easy to attack me because I expand greatly on what I believe in.
>
> Please expand greatly in talk.politics.misc. Thanks a mil.
No I say let him stay here and talk all he wants too. I hate self
proclaimed net police!
kitten
Craig Motsenbocker wrote:
>
> Matt wrote:
>
> > Please expand greatly in talk.politics.misc. Thanks a mil.
>
> No I say let him stay here and talk all he wants too. I hate self
> proclaimed net police!
kitten hehs. "Pot. Kettle. Black."
Craig Motsenbocker
>
>
> I find it amusing watching you spout your drivel on the liberals.
I also find your slobbering delusions of right wing terrorist amusing as well.
> How
> do you define a "liberal"?
How do you define a right winger?
> Is a liberal anyone who disagrees with
> the tenets of "Rush" or "Newt" or "Pat"?
Is a right winger anyone who disagrees with bill or hillary?
> Or is it someone
> who fails follow the flock and take things as given?
is a right winger one who refuses to give into the in crowd?
> Or is it
> just someone who disagrees with your beliefs?
Or is it someone who disagrees with you?
>
>
The rest of the slobbering saliva has been deleted to cut short the air building
up in his balloon.
Tracey
Erik, are all of your values situational?
Tracey
Elrod wrote:
> Reality is so much fun.
>
> Elrod
Elrod, its very easy to define what a liberal is. Have you looked in
to the mirror lately? In case you're wondering were you might find
liberal values, turn on your TV. Watch Dan Blather, Peter Jennings, or
Tom Brokaw. There you will find three out true blue libs. The values
put down are those of conservatives. When Peter Jennings returns from a
spot and has a very disagreeable look on his face, it is not done by
accident. He is placing his liberal slant and opinion on the news..if
you can call it that.
However, all is not lost. Rush Limbaugh IS equal time to the liberal
socialists on TV, in the White House, and at the University. Rush has
fifteen hours of programming each week, (far more than Clinton gets),
and he makes certain that liberals and liberal values do not go
unchallenged.
But, then there is Pat B., Ken Hamblin, Mike Reagan, Thomas Sowell,
Bob Tyrrell, Bill Buckley, Mona Charen, Cal Thomas, and the list goes on
and on. And, of course, we cannot leave out the many ultra conservative
ministers and lay people throughout the land who are very anti-liberal.
But, most of these people get their marching orders from one person:
God.
God is very politically incorrect!
God is not pro-homosexuality.
God is Pro-life--- he created it!
God does not support Secular Humanish/atheism, or communism because
those value systems deny his existance.
God is not pro-big government.
He does not support unlimited welfare for those who are of sound mind
and able body.
God is very politically incorrect!
He made woman only after he made man! This blows the minds of hardcore
feminazies (there are only about a dozen left).
He forced women to bear the children of men! (one of the reasons why
there is so much hate for men/God within the remaining feminazies).
He did not allow homosexuals couples to create another human.
God is so good! And, He is the leader of the Conservative movement.
Let's call upon him and ask him to cause Clinton to be fully exposed to
the public. Let all of Clintons law=breaking be exposed to the public.
--
Alexander Rose
Tracey wrote:
<many true facts snipped>
> God is not pro-big government.
<many more true facts snipped>
I agree with everything else in your previous post. But I do not know
how you can justify this. I am an ultra-conservative just like you
think you are Tracey. I think that all minorities and liberals should
die. I hate the Democrats with a passion. But I have become agnostic
because God is not pro-big government, God is definitley in favor of
big-government and all of the taxes and welfare and homeless people that
come with it. If you have ever read the good book you would konow what
I am talking about. I have made a choice, my government over my God.
I want to act the act, you should make the sacrafice too. You are just
as bad as those bleeding commie liberals sometimes!!! Get a job.
word,
alex
Anthony Sloan
We interrupt this program to annoy you, and to make things generally
irritating.
I am beginning to think that a good use of taxpayer dollars would be to
ban those absolutely stupid Calvin decals you see on the back window of
what seems like half the cars in Austin. You know, the one where Calvin
is grinning and "marking" the logo of some supposedly inferior brand.
The straw that broke the camel's back was the chap sitting in his Geo
which featured Calvin watering a Chevy logo.
"But wait, aren't Geos...Chevys?"
Sad part is that Bill Watterson, Calvin and Hobbes' creator was
vehemently anti-licensing. A quote from the maestro, "To venture my own
opinion, I think the comic strip world is much more fragile than most
people realize, and that wonderful, lifelike characters are easily
corrupted and cheapened by having them appear on every drugstore shelf
and rack."
..Or the back of some kids car who thinks the answer to all of life's
problems is a Mustang.
This ends this emergency broadcast rant. You may return to whatever it
was you were doing.
--
"Things that upset a terrier may pass virtually unnoticed by a Great
Dane."
Smiley Blanton
Tracey
Craig Motsenbocker wrote:
>
> Matt wrote:
>
> >
>
> No I say let him stay here and talk all he wants too. I hate self
> proclaimed net police!
I SECOND THAT MOTION! And, I really do dislike those self proclaimed
goobers too!
Tracey
Matt wrote:
>
> Tracey, you don't really want that, do you?
>
> Be careful, you just might get what you wish for.
>
> I heard he was.. disfigured..
Oh, have you begun to believe Paula Jones? You're coming around!
Keep listening to Rush!
Robert Schroeder
Clayton Colwell wrote:
>
> Robert Schroeder (Mb...@swbell.net) wrote:
> : kitten wrote:
> : >
> : > kitten ooooos, has never been to anything remotely resembling a
> : > wedding/commitment ceremony thingy...well...-technically- she was at her
> : > mother's, but no one knew it at the time. She wonders if she can do
> : > something, like, official...and...can she throw catnip instead of rice?
> : >
> : Please, you are more than welcome to throw anything you like....except
> : rice....we don't have to worry about that fertility thingy at all!
>
> Fine. I'll throw a tantrum. ;-)
>
As long as its not in the style of tracey/david...
Robert
Robert Schroeder
kitten wrote:
>
> Rep...@Bible.net wrote:
> >
> [bible trivia snipped]
>
> kitten hmmms a bit, scratching her head as she reads over the Bible
> stuff. After a bit, she chuckles. Yup, damned. One damned kitten, just
> as she suspected. Glancing to Robert, she inquires, "Do you think
> they'll let Mr.Mousie into Hell with me?"
>
No litter boxes.
Robert
Matthew Hennig
<utexas and tamu.general deTravided. I don't know where Craig is posting
from, so I left the other 3 in. Perhaps he can remove the others besides the
group he reads if replying.>
In article <355A1BAC...@connect.net>, Craig Motsenbocker
<rud...@connect.net> wrote:
>No I say let him stay here and talk all he wants too. I hate self
>proclaimed net police!
Tracey and Vincent do not belong here. They are trashing these groups because
they think they can post whatever they want whenever they want to wherever
they want. It simply ain't so. They are doing this for enjoyment purposes
and trying to get a response out of others. Say to yourself, I will resist
responding to this troll.
And yes, Tracey's account needs to be revoked because of this willful
net.abuse that (s)he is engaging in. Not because of what they are saying,
rather the manner they are saying it.
MH
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Be warned, the string of NOSPAM has been shown to be filterable
by spamming software. By reading this message you are hereby
notified not to add me to any emailing list.
I was Net.Scum, but NetScum is no more. (R.I.P. 10/16/97)
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Erik
On Wed, 13 May 1998 18:55:21 -0500, Tracey <trac...@swbell.net> scrawled out:
>Erik, are all of your values situational?
Answer the question, Tracey. Even our mututal friend, the president, can
sidestep questions better than that.
Tracey
Matthew Hennig wrote:
>
> <utexas and tamu.general deTravided. I don't know where Craig is posting
> from, so I left the other 3 in. Perhaps he can remove the others besides the
> group he reads if replying.>
>
> In article <355A1BAC...@connect.net>, Craig Motsenbocker
> <rud...@connect.net> wrote:
>
> >No I say let him stay here and talk all he wants too. I hate self
> >proclaimed net police!
>
> Tracey and Vincent do not belong here. They are trashing these groups because
> they think they can post whatever they want whenever they want to wherever
> they want. It simply ain't so. They are doing this for enjoyment purposes
> and trying to get a response out of others. Say to yourself, I will resist
> responding to this troll.
>
> And yes, Tracey's account needs to be revoked because of this willful
> net.abuse that (s)he is engaging in. Not because of what they are saying,
> rather the manner they are saying it.
>
> MH
Im going to have to copy David on this reply!
MH, BOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOO! BOOOOO HOOOOOOO HOOOOOOO!
Stop it! You're making me crrrrrrryyyyyyyy! Boooooo Hooooooo!
MH, if you didn't have some conservative to pick on, what would you do
with the rest of your life after you wake each day?
Stop your stupid bitching, boy! Join in the conversation, if you have
the brain power!
Matthew Hennig
In article <355A8C...@swbell.net>, trac...@swbell.net wrote:
First, this will be my only reply to you on this or any other matter in these
off-topic newsgroups.
> Im going to have to copy David on this reply!
So you will copy to yourself?
> MH, if you didn't have some conservative to pick on, what would you do
>with the rest of your life after you wake each day?
Your political ideology is irrelevant. You could be a bleeding liberal
attacking conservatives and it would make no difference. For what it's worth,
I've been Republican in my voting habits (I do go vote, do you?) and what you
write just makes you look like a kook.
> Stop your stupid bitching, boy! Join in the conversation, if you have
>the brain power!
I will not stop my "stupid bitching" at your request. The only way my
complaints to your ISP will stop will be when you stop crossposting all of
your irrelevant posts across all of these unrelated newsgroups. Simply keep
it where it belongs. You don't belong in tamu.general with these topics. If
you don't realize things like that, you don't belong on usenet. There is no
conversation going on. If people decide to disagree with anything you say,
you call them a liberal and evade the questions posed. You have no interest
in conversation.
Stop your spamming crossposts.
Get a clue about your own political ideology and don't believe everything you
hear from everyone (Rush and Matt Drudge included).
Learn about proper Usenet nettiquette. I've been posting in tamu.general for
about 4 years now. I feel qualified in knowing what sorta stuff doesn't
belong in there. How long have YOU been posting on usenet?
Realize that you are an insignificant pimple on usenet and it's simply a
matter of how long until you are allowed to continue until you are popped and
are thus removed from our sight and mind.
If you expect any further correspondence with me on any of these matters, you
can email it to me (don't send me copies of your usenet postings or any such
item) and perhaps you'll get a reply. Otherwise, my days of feeding you, the
troll, are over and you'll not see me speak to you on usenet again. Your ISP,
though, may continue to hear from me unless you follow proper usenet
conventions.
Have a nice day,
Craig Motsenbocker
Matthew Hennig wrote:
> Tracey and Vincent do not belong here. They are trashing these groups because
> they think they can post whatever they want whenever they want to wherever
> they want.
Why not it's a free country, and besides I don't think its trashing, I think your
postsare trash.
> It simply ain't so. They are doing this for enjoyment purposes
> and trying to get a response out of others. Say to yourself, I will resist
> responding to this troll.
I don't think speaking your mind on politics etc. is trolling, they only upset
youbecause you are one sick liberal puppy. Get used to it, they have a right
to post on here just as much as you do!
>
>
> And yes, Tracey's account needs to be revoked because of this willful
> net.abuse that (s)he is engaging in. Not because of what they are saying,
> rather the manner they are saying it.
Personally I would love to see people such as yourself have their account revoked.
I can't stand self proclaimed net cops!
Tracey
Matthew Hennig wrote:
> Otherwise, my days of feeding you, the
> troll, are over and you'll not see me speak to you on usenet again. > Your ISP,
> though, may continue to hear from me unless you follow proper usenet
> conventions.
Matthew, the next time you write my isp, plesae tell them I said taht
SWBELL.NET is really great!
Aaron Evans
On Thu, 14 May 1998 00:30:43, Tracey <trac...@swbell.net> wrote:
> n case you're wondering were you might find
> liberal values, turn on your TV. Watch Dan Blather, Peter Jennings, or
> Tom Brokaw. There you will find three out true blue libs.
How to go about at finding zealots: they're the ones who see a clear
media bias.
ObMediaBias: There's nothing funnier than say... two letters to the
editor appearing in the newspaper on the same day, each alleging some
bias exclusive of the other. As is known to happen, for instance,
that in the Texan quite often one may see a "firing line" complaining
of anti-Palestinian bias next to the "firing line" complaining of
anti-Israeli bias.
Clayton Colwell
Anthony Sloan (ant...@eden.com) wrote:
: We interrupt this program to annoy you, and to make things generally
: irritating.
All right! More Pet Peeve Time!
: I am beginning to think that a good use of taxpayer dollars would be to
: ban those absolutely stupid Calvin decals you see on the back window of
: what seems like half the cars in Austin. You know, the one where Calvin
: is grinning and "marking" the logo of some supposedly inferior brand.
Yep, they are annoying. About as indicative of intelligence, taste,
and sense as the silver nekkid-lady silhouettes I've seen on
truck mudflaps.
[...]
: Sad part is that Bill Watterson, Calvin and Hobbes' creator was
: vehemently anti-licensing. A quote from the maestro, "To venture my own
: opinion, I think the comic strip world is much more fragile than most
: people realize, and that wonderful, lifelike characters are easily
: corrupted and cheapened by having them appear on every drugstore shelf
: and rack."
(See Dilbert.)
: ..Or the back of some kids car who thinks the answer to all of life's
: problems is a Mustang.
: This ends this emergency broadcast rant. You may return to whatever it
: was you were doing.
Kewl. But I was finished with the farting, belching, and
scratching anyway.
fnord
In article <355A3B...@swbell.net>, Tracey <trac...@swbell.net> wrote:
>Elrod wrote:
>
>> Reality is so much fun.
>>
>> Elrod
>
> Elrod, its very easy to define what a liberal is. Have you looked in
>liberal values, turn on your TV. Watch Dan Blather, Peter Jennings, or
>put down are those of conservatives. When Peter Jennings returns from a
>spot and has a very disagreeable look on his face, it is not done by
>accident. He is placing his liberal slant and opinion on the news..if
>you can call it that.
> However, all is not lost. Rush Limbaugh IS equal time to the liberal
>socialists on TV, in the White House, and at the University. Rush has
>fifteen hours of programming each week, (far more than Clinton gets),
>and he makes certain that liberals and liberal values do not go
>unchallenged.
> But, then there is Pat B., Ken Hamblin, Mike Reagan, Thomas Sowell,
>Bob Tyrrell, Bill Buckley, Mona Charen, Cal Thomas, and the list goes on
>and on. And, of course, we cannot leave out the many ultra conservative
>ministers and lay people throughout the land who are very anti-liberal.
>But, most of these people get their marching orders from one person:
>God.
>God is very politically incorrect!
>God is not pro-homosexuality.
>God is Pro-life--- he created it!
>God does not support Secular Humanish/atheism, or communism because
>those value systems deny his existance.
>and able body.
>God is very politically incorrect!
>He made woman only after he made man! This blows the minds of hardcore
>feminazies (there are only about a dozen left).
>He forced women to bear the children of men! (one of the reasons why
>there is so much hate for men/God within the remaining feminazies).
>He did not allow homosexuals couples to create another human.
>
>God is so good! And, He is the leader of the Conservative movement.
>
>Let's call upon him and ask him to cause Clinton to be fully exposed to
>the public. Let all of Clintons law=breaking be exposed to the public.
>
Will you please discontinue the use of my name in vain...
Thank you...
GOD
--
YOU CANNOT PROVE THAT
I AM NOT GOD
kitten
Tracey wrote:
>
> Let's call upon him and ask him to cause Clinton to be fully exposed to
> the public.
kitten snickers, "Some would protest that he's doing a good enough job
of exposing himself -without- our help."
--
--> kitten <--
cain...@usa.net
"Adam was a rough draft."
Elrod
Craig Motsenbocker <rud...@connect.net> wrote:
:>> I find it amusing watching you spout your drivel on the liberals.
:>I also find your slobbering delusions of right wing terrorist amusing as well.
Did I say right wing terrorist anywhere in my post? You might want
to check your glasses and reread the earlier post.
:>> How do you define a "liberal"?
:>How do you define a right winger?
Anyone who feels that they have the right to legislate
morality and tries to enslave others.
:>> Is a liberal anyone who disagrees with
:>> the tenets of "Rush" or "Newt" or "Pat"?
:> Is a right winger anyone who disagrees with bill or hillary?
Since when did billboy become a liberal? If you look at
his policies, the right scream that he is stealing their ideas.
They turn around call him a liberal. It makes for rather amusing
theater. If you were to reading anything from the left, you
would find they barely tolerate bill and hillary.
:>> Or is it someone
:>> who fails follow the flock and take things as given?
:>is a right winger one who refuses to give into the in crowd?
A right winger demands that people conform to their points of
view. They are right and anyone, who disagrees with them, is
wrong. There is no inbetween.
:>> Or is it
:>> just someone who disagrees with your beliefs?
:>Or is it someone who disagrees with you?
In order for democracy to grow and survive, one needs
different points of view. It should be an evolving entity.
I may disagree with someone, but I will defend their right to
express their opinion. However, that does not mean I will
walk in lock step to satisfy their view of the world.
:>The rest of the slobbering saliva has been deleted to cut short the air building
:>up in his balloon.
Since when does a definitions of a "liberal" and a "conservative"
become slobbering saliva? If you can't answer a question, why don't
you admit it.
Reality is so much fun.
Elrod
It is better to deserve honors and not to have them than to have
them and not deserve them.
--- Mark Twain
Historical phenomena always happens twice --- the first time as
tragedy, the second as farce.
--- Karl Marx