Redistricting without the people, against the people
As the regular session of the Legislature got under way in January, the most prominent politicians in Austin all thought redrawing congressional districts in Texas this year was ill-advised. Those leaders were all Republicans, and they were right.
Gov. Rick Perry, Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst and House Speaker Tom Craddick, together and severally, noted that there was little enthusiasm and great reluctance among legislators to engage in a divisive partisan battle at a time when Texas faced a budgetary crisis and many more pressing needs. But first Craddick and then Perry placed themselves at the beck and call of U.S. House Majority Leader Tom DeLay.
Craddick's craven attempt to ram redistricting down Texans' throats resulted in the flight of House Democrats to Oklahoma, which scuttled redistricting during the regular session. Then Perry, against his better judgment, called the Legislature into special session for another wasteful and unwanted attempt.
The issue now resides in the Texas Senate following House passage of a redistricting bill that would disrupt longstanding representation of rural and minority interests and dismember some urban communities. Dewhurst, the Senate's presiding officer, said if no bill passes out of Senate Judiciary Committee he would consider redistricting dead. But some senators can't take a hint. Ignoring widespread public opposition, they wish to plunge ahead without the people and against the people.
Some Republican partisans complain that opposition to redistricting is nothing more than liberal fear of increased Republican control of Congress. How, then, do they explain the doubts and concerns initially expressed by the Republican leadership in Austin?
Redistricting between national censuses is needlessly confusing for all voters, no matter what party they belong to. That is why so many Texans spoke out against redistricting at hearings across the state.
As numerous polls show, most Texans are pleased with their representative in Congress and want to keep him or her in Washington. That is why the incumbents won the last election, many with bipartisan support.
As if the redistricting battle weren't malodorous enough, Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott foolishly hired a lawyer working for Congressman DeLay to represent the interests of the state of Texas. The lawyer, Andy Taylor of Houston, is the attorney of record for Texans for a Republican Majority, a political action committee founded by DeLay.
Since Abbott and DeLay both want a redistricting bill that will pass legal and constitutional muster, Abbott in effect is subsidizing DeLay's lawyer at taxpayer expense.
The Voting Rights Act and the U.S. Constitution are areas of the law with which Abbott (a former Texas Supreme Court justice) and his staff should be abundantly familiar. If the attorney general had to seek outside counsel, he should have retained one who at least could have pretended to serve a public rather than a private interest. http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/editorial/1990959 _____________________________________________________________________ "Conservatives aren't necessarily stupid but most stupid people are conservative." -John Stuart Mill
> Redistricting without the people, against the people
> As the regular session of the Legislature got under way in January, > the most prominent politicians in Austin all thought redrawing > congressional districts in Texas this year was ill-advised. Those > leaders were all Republicans, and they were right.
> Gov. Rick Perry, Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst and House Speaker Tom > Craddick, together and severally, noted that there was little > enthusiasm and great reluctance among legislators to engage in a > divisive partisan battle at a time when Texas faced a budgetary crisis > and many more pressing needs. But first Craddick and then Perry placed > themselves at the beck and call of U.S. House Majority Leader Tom > DeLay.
> Craddick's craven attempt to ram redistricting down Texans' throats > resulted in the flight of House Democrats to Oklahoma, which scuttled > redistricting during the regular session. Then Perry, against his > better judgment, called the Legislature into special session for > another wasteful and unwanted attempt.
> The issue now resides in the Texas Senate following House passage of a > redistricting bill that would disrupt longstanding representation of > rural and minority interests and dismember some urban communities. > Dewhurst, the Senate's presiding officer, said if no bill passes out > of Senate Judiciary Committee he would consider redistricting dead. > But some senators can't take a hint. Ignoring widespread public > opposition, they wish to plunge ahead without the people and against > the people.
> Some Republican partisans complain that opposition to redistricting is > nothing more than liberal fear of increased Republican control of > Congress. How, then, do they explain the doubts and concerns initially > expressed by the Republican leadership in Austin?
> Redistricting between national censuses is needlessly confusing for > all voters, no matter what party they belong to. That is why so many > Texans spoke out against redistricting at hearings across the state.
> As numerous polls show, most Texans are pleased with their > representative in Congress and want to keep him or her in Washington. > That is why the incumbents won the last election, many with bipartisan > support.
> As if the redistricting battle weren't malodorous enough, Texas > Attorney General Greg Abbott foolishly hired a lawyer working for > Congressman DeLay to represent the interests of the state of Texas. > The lawyer, Andy Taylor of Houston, is the attorney of record for > Texans for a Republican Majority, a political action committee founded > by DeLay.
> Since Abbott and DeLay both want a redistricting bill that will pass > legal and constitutional muster, Abbott in effect is subsidizing > DeLay's lawyer at taxpayer expense.
> The Voting Rights Act and the U.S. Constitution are areas of the law > with which Abbott (a former Texas Supreme Court justice) and his staff > should be abundantly familiar. If the attorney general had to seek > outside counsel, he should have retained one who at least could have > pretended to serve a public rather than a private interest. > http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/editorial/1990959 > _____________________________________________________________________ > "Conservatives aren't necessarily stupid but most stupid people are > conservative." -John Stuart Mill
> they also defecate on the other 49 states. they defecate on whoever Big > Business and the Rich tell them to defecate on.
And we have ALL been defacated on. I'm ready for someone with a BIG roll of toilet paper to come along and wipe this mess up (aka vote them out of office). Enough is enough. Get rid of the robber barons.
> "Name withheld by request" <anon5...@nyx10.nyx.net> wrote in message > news:1058037778.632596@irys.nyx.net... > > Houston Chronicle > > July 11, 2003, 9:27PM
> > PERRYMANDERING
> > Redistricting without the people, against the people
> > As the regular session of the Legislature got under way in January, > > the most prominent politicians in Austin all thought redrawing > > congressional districts in Texas this year was ill-advised. Those > > leaders were all Republicans, and they were right.
> > Gov. Rick Perry, Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst and House Speaker Tom > > Craddick, together and severally, noted that there was little > > enthusiasm and great reluctance among legislators to engage in a > > divisive partisan battle at a time when Texas faced a budgetary crisis > > and many more pressing needs. But first Craddick and then Perry placed > > themselves at the beck and call of U.S. House Majority Leader Tom > > DeLay.
> > Craddick's craven attempt to ram redistricting down Texans' throats > > resulted in the flight of House Democrats to Oklahoma, which scuttled > > redistricting during the regular session. Then Perry, against his > > better judgment, called the Legislature into special session for > > another wasteful and unwanted attempt.
> > The issue now resides in the Texas Senate following House passage of a > > redistricting bill that would disrupt longstanding representation of > > rural and minority interests and dismember some urban communities. > > Dewhurst, the Senate's presiding officer, said if no bill passes out > > of Senate Judiciary Committee he would consider redistricting dead. > > But some senators can't take a hint. Ignoring widespread public > > opposition, they wish to plunge ahead without the people and against > > the people.
> > Some Republican partisans complain that opposition to redistricting is > > nothing more than liberal fear of increased Republican control of > > Congress. How, then, do they explain the doubts and concerns initially > > expressed by the Republican leadership in Austin?
> > Redistricting between national censuses is needlessly confusing for > > all voters, no matter what party they belong to. That is why so many > > Texans spoke out against redistricting at hearings across the state.
> > As numerous polls show, most Texans are pleased with their > > representative in Congress and want to keep him or her in Washington. > > That is why the incumbents won the last election, many with bipartisan > > support.
> > As if the redistricting battle weren't malodorous enough, Texas > > Attorney General Greg Abbott foolishly hired a lawyer working for > > Congressman DeLay to represent the interests of the state of Texas. > > The lawyer, Andy Taylor of Houston, is the attorney of record for > > Texans for a Republican Majority, a political action committee founded > > by DeLay.
> > Since Abbott and DeLay both want a redistricting bill that will pass > > legal and constitutional muster, Abbott in effect is subsidizing > > DeLay's lawyer at taxpayer expense.
> > The Voting Rights Act and the U.S. Constitution are areas of the law > > with which Abbott (a former Texas Supreme Court justice) and his staff > > should be abundantly familiar. If the attorney general had to seek > > outside counsel, he should have retained one who at least could have > > pretended to serve a public rather than a private interest. > > http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/editorial/1990959 > > _____________________________________________________________________ > > "Conservatives aren't necessarily stupid but most stupid people are > > conservative." -John Stuart Mill
>"Rob Jones" <RJo...@msn.com> wrote in message >news:vh18cji0l57974@corp.supernews.com... >> they also defecate on the other 49 states. they defecate on whoever Big >> Business and the Rich tell them to defecate on.
>And we have ALL been defacated on. I'm ready for someone with a BIG roll of >toilet paper to come along and wipe this mess up (aka vote them out of >office). Enough is enough. Get rid of the robber barons. >> "Name withheld by request" <anon5...@nyx10.nyx.net> wrote in message >> news:1058037778.632596@irys.nyx.net... >> > Houston Chronicle >> > July 11, 2003, 9:27PM
>> > PERRYMANDERING
>> > Redistricting without the people, against the people
<snipped another clueless rant by a lying liberal>
OK You morons... The sycophant editor at the Chronicle must be on vacation. The real explanation about why we have to do the redistricting now was published today. Here it is:
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/editorial/outlook/1991257 "The Texas Constitution clearly bestows the responsibility for redistricting on the state legislature. Therefore,As Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott publicly stated in reply to an inquiry from the state House Redistricting chairman, State Rep. Joe Crabb, R-Kingwood, "the Legislature not only has the authority to draw congressional lines, but the responsibility to do so." "
Mike Smith
From http://imao.us/docs/NukeTheMoon.htm World peace cannot be achieved by sitting around on our duffs singing hippy songs to the moon. Peace can only be achieved through excessive acts of seemingly mindless violence. Who do bullies pick on in the playground? The giant, crazy looking guy who looks ready to snap and kill the person nearest or some harmless looking weenie who appears to do anything to avoid conflict? People pick on the weenie because people like to start fights they think they can win. In the same way, people will continue to attack America and our interests when they get the idea that they can piss off America without us immediately eradicating them and everyone around them in the most painful way possible.
> >"Rob Jones" <RJo...@msn.com> wrote in message > >news:vh18cji0l57974@corp.supernews.com... > >> they also defecate on the other 49 states. they defecate on whoever Big > >> Business and the Rich tell them to defecate on.
> >And we have ALL been defacated on. I'm ready for someone with a BIG roll of > >toilet paper to come along and wipe this mess up (aka vote them out of > >office). Enough is enough. Get rid of the robber barons.
> >> "Name withheld by request" <anon5...@nyx10.nyx.net> wrote in message > >> news:1058037778.632596@irys.nyx.net... > >> > Houston Chronicle > >> > July 11, 2003, 9:27PM
> >> > PERRYMANDERING
> >> > Redistricting without the people, against the people > <snipped another clueless rant by a lying liberal>
> OK You morons... The sycophant editor at the Chronicle must be on > vacation. The real explanation about why we have to do the > redistricting now was published today. Here it is:
Just a couple of questions concerning this point.. The issue of re-districting was brought up after the census numbers were in in 2000.. Perry, Craddick, Crabbe and a few of the other lap-dogs, didn't give it priority at that time and the issue was tabled and resolved in the supreme court.. We have been re-districted and the plan was accepted by the people of Texas.. The contention now is that it never happenned ?? Hello.....
The second question is why this is such an important issue during this time, since the majority party is controlling the state house, the house of representatives and the senate.. Could the influence from the nation's capitol in the form of Tom DeLay, have something to do with this priority??
> http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/editorial/outlook/1991257 > "The Texas Constitution clearly bestows the responsibility for > redistricting on the state legislature. Therefore,As Texas Attorney > General Greg Abbott publicly stated in reply to an inquiry from the > state House Redistricting chairman, State Rep. Joe Crabb, R-Kingwood, > "the Legislature not only has the authority to draw congressional > lines, but the responsibility to do so." "
> Mike Smith
> From http://imao.us/docs/NukeTheMoon.htm > World peace cannot be achieved by sitting around > on our duffs singing hippy songs to the moon. > Peace can only be achieved through excessive acts > of seemingly mindless violence. Who do bullies > pick on in the playground? The giant, crazy looking > guy who looks ready to snap and kill the person > nearest or some harmless looking weenie who appears > to do anything to avoid conflict? People pick on > the weenie because people like to start fights > they think they can win. In the same way, people > will continue to attack America and our interests > when they get the idea that they can piss off America > without us immediately eradicating them and everyone > around them in the most painful way possible.
<bill.walk...@verizon.net> wrote: >> OK You morons... The sycophant editor at the Chronicle must be on >> vacation. The real explanation about why we have to do the >> redistricting now was published today. Here it is:
>Just a couple of questions concerning this point.. The issue of >re-districting was brought up after the census numbers were in in 2000.. >Perry, Craddick, Crabbe and a few of the other lap-dogs, didn't give it >priority at that time and the issue was tabled and resolved in the supreme >court.. We have been re-districted and the plan was accepted by the people >of Texas.. The contention now is that it never happenned ?? Hello.....
Texas was handed a re-districting plan thought up by Klinton appointees that was designed to hand the MINORITY democRAT party a MAJORITY of the Representative seats. Since the democRAT party has fallen apart on the state level, that was the only way they could retain some power.
>The second question is why this is such an important issue during this time, >since the majority party is controlling the state house, the house of >representatives and the senate.. Could the influence from the nation's >capitol in the form of Tom DeLay, have something to do with this priority??
Uh, Rep. Tom DeLay isn't in the state legislature. And he isn't the Govenor. Rep. Tom DeLay can't pass any legislation in Texas.
> >> OK You morons... The sycophant editor at the Chronicle must be on > >> vacation. The real explanation about why we have to do the > >> redistricting now was published today. Here it is:
> >Just a couple of questions concerning this point.. The issue of > >re-districting was brought up after the census numbers were in in 2000.. > >Perry, Craddick, Crabbe and a few of the other lap-dogs, didn't give it > >priority at that time and the issue was tabled and resolved in the supreme > >court.. We have been re-districted and the plan was accepted by the people > >of Texas.. The contention now is that it never happenned ?? Hello.....
> Texas was handed a re-districting plan thought up by Klinton > appointees that was designed to hand the MINORITY democRAT party a > MAJORITY of the Representative seats. Since the democRAT party has > fallen apart on the state level, that was the only way they could > retain some power.
> >The second question is why this is such an important issue during this time, > >since the majority party is controlling the state house, the house of > >representatives and the senate.. Could the influence from the nation's > >capitol in the form of Tom DeLay, have something to do with this priority??
> Uh, Rep. Tom DeLay isn't in the state legislature. And he isn't the > Govenor. Rep. Tom DeLay can't pass any legislation in Texas.
Uh.... keep up .. Tom DeLay is the one who started this mess and his influence contributed to the execution of it.. I called his name on TV on two occasions and before illustrious committee members and that is the facts.. Go for it .. Where were you ??
> > >> OK You morons... The sycophant editor at the Chronicle must be on > > >> vacation. The real explanation about why we have to do the > > >> redistricting now was published today. Here it is:
> > >Just a couple of questions concerning this point.. The issue of > > >re-districting was brought up after the census numbers were in in 2000.. > > >Perry, Craddick, Crabbe and a few of the other lap-dogs, didn't give it > > >priority at that time and the issue was tabled and resolved in the > supreme > > >court.. We have been re-districted and the plan was accepted by the > people > > >of Texas.. The contention now is that it never happenned ?? Hello.....
> > Texas was handed a re-districting plan thought up by Klinton > > appointees that was designed to hand the MINORITY democRAT party a > > MAJORITY of the Representative seats. Since the democRAT party has > > fallen apart on the state level, that was the only way they could > > retain some power.
> > >The second question is why this is such an important issue during this > time, > > >since the majority party is controlling the state house, the house of > > >representatives and the senate.. Could the influence from the nation's > > >capitol in the form of Tom DeLay, have something to do with this > priority??
> > Uh, Rep. Tom DeLay isn't in the state legislature. And he isn't the > > Govenor. Rep. Tom DeLay can't pass any legislation in Texas.
> Uh.... keep up .. Tom DeLay is the one who started this mess and his > influence contributed to the execution of it.. I called his name on TV on > two occasions and before illustrious committee members and that is the > facts.. Go for it .. Where were you ??
> its called consolidating republican big business/Rich power, baby!!!
Isn't it amazing that the gullible public voted these turds into power and now they are being screwed by them and they don't even get it? So much for "less government". So much for "no nation building", etc.
> > > >> OK You morons... The sycophant editor at the Chronicle must be on > > > >> vacation. The real explanation about why we have to do the > > > >> redistricting now was published today. Here it is:
> > > >Just a couple of questions concerning this point.. The issue of > > > >re-districting was brought up after the census numbers were in in > 2000.. > > > >Perry, Craddick, Crabbe and a few of the other lap-dogs, didn't give it > > > >priority at that time and the issue was tabled and resolved in the > > supreme > > > >court.. We have been re-districted and the plan was accepted by the > > people > > > >of Texas.. The contention now is that it never happenned ?? Hello.....
> > > Texas was handed a re-districting plan thought up by Klinton > > > appointees that was designed to hand the MINORITY democRAT party a > > > MAJORITY of the Representative seats. Since the democRAT party has > > > fallen apart on the state level, that was the only way they could > > > retain some power.
> > > >The second question is why this is such an important issue during this > > time, > > > >since the majority party is controlling the state house, the house of > > > >representatives and the senate.. Could the influence from the nation's > > > >capitol in the form of Tom DeLay, have something to do with this > > priority??
> > > Uh, Rep. Tom DeLay isn't in the state legislature. And he isn't the > > > Govenor. Rep. Tom DeLay can't pass any legislation in Texas.
> > Uh.... keep up .. Tom DeLay is the one who started this mess and his > > influence contributed to the execution of it.. I called his name on TV on > > two occasions and before illustrious committee members and that is the > > facts.. Go for it .. Where were you ??
> "Rob Jones" <RJo...@msn.com> wrote in message > news:vh32b7c90ehs34@corp.supernews.com... > > its called consolidating republican big business/Rich power, baby!!!
> Isn't it amazing that the gullible public voted these turds into power and > now they are being screwed by them and they don't even get it? So much for > "less government". So much for "no nation building", etc.
> > > > >> OK You morons... The sycophant editor at the Chronicle must be on > > > > >> vacation. The real explanation about why we have to do the > > > > >> redistricting now was published today. Here it is:
> > > > >Just a couple of questions concerning this point.. The issue of > > > > >re-districting was brought up after the census numbers were in in > > 2000.. > > > > >Perry, Craddick, Crabbe and a few of the other lap-dogs, didn't give > it > > > > >priority at that time and the issue was tabled and resolved in the > > > supreme > > > > >court.. We have been re-districted and the plan was accepted by the > > > people > > > > >of Texas.. The contention now is that it never happenned ?? > Hello.....
> > > > Texas was handed a re-districting plan thought up by Klinton > > > > appointees that was designed to hand the MINORITY democRAT party a > > > > MAJORITY of the Representative seats. Since the democRAT party has > > > > fallen apart on the state level, that was the only way they could > > > > retain some power.
> > > > >The second question is why this is such an important issue during > this > > > time, > > > > >since the majority party is controlling the state house, the house of > > > > >representatives and the senate.. Could the influence from the > nation's > > > > >capitol in the form of Tom DeLay, have something to do with this > > > priority??
> > > > Uh, Rep. Tom DeLay isn't in the state legislature. And he isn't the > > > > Govenor. Rep. Tom DeLay can't pass any legislation in Texas.
> > > Uh.... keep up .. Tom DeLay is the one who started this mess and his > > > influence contributed to the execution of it.. I called his name on TV > on > > > two occasions and before illustrious committee members and that is the > > > facts.. Go for it .. Where were you ??
> > > Bill Walker > > > Irving, Tx..
> > > > Nice strawman tho.
Actually, Tom delay is the guy who brought in several million dollars of corporate soft money and targeted 42 Democratic Texas legislators. That is the reason why the House went Republican in the first place. Since the Republicans are quite beholden to him, he can pass any legislation he wants in the Republican-run House of Representatives.
Tom Delay really is the guy who started this mess.
> Actually, Tom delay is the guy who brought in several million dollars of > corporate soft money and targeted 42 Democratic Texas legislators. That is > the reason why the House went Republican in the first place. Since the > Republicans are quite beholden to him, he can pass any legislation he wants > in the Republican-run House of Representatives.
> Tom Delay really is the guy who started this mess.
Exactly what I have been saying and pointing out to voters across this state for several weeks now.. Thanks for the input and support of my contention..
they're too plugged into the matrix, I mean Television. if they aren't at work, they're plugged in. and if they went to a public high school(with a few exceptions) then they don't have the ability to think critically. some of them will wake up eventually. can't have a healthy representative government without a literate, thinking, voting population. the criminals in our congress and the Whitehouse do the things they do because they CAN.
--rj
"n/a" <NoEmailBecauseOfS...@NOSPAM.com> wrote in message
> "Rob Jones" <RJo...@msn.com> wrote in message > news:vh32b7c90ehs34@corp.supernews.com... > > its called consolidating republican big business/Rich power, baby!!!
> Isn't it amazing that the gullible public voted these turds into power and > now they are being screwed by them and they don't even get it? So much for > "less government". So much for "no nation building", etc.
> > > > >> OK You morons... The sycophant editor at the Chronicle must be on > > > > >> vacation. The real explanation about why we have to do the > > > > >> redistricting now was published today. Here it is:
> > > > >Just a couple of questions concerning this point.. The issue of > > > > >re-districting was brought up after the census numbers were in in > > 2000.. > > > > >Perry, Craddick, Crabbe and a few of the other lap-dogs, didn't give > it > > > > >priority at that time and the issue was tabled and resolved in the > > > supreme > > > > >court.. We have been re-districted and the plan was accepted by the > > > people > > > > >of Texas.. The contention now is that it never happenned ?? > Hello.....
> > > > Texas was handed a re-districting plan thought up by Klinton > > > > appointees that was designed to hand the MINORITY democRAT party a > > > > MAJORITY of the Representative seats. Since the democRAT party has > > > > fallen apart on the state level, that was the only way they could > > > > retain some power.
> > > > >The second question is why this is such an important issue during > this > > > time, > > > > >since the majority party is controlling the state house, the house of > > > > >representatives and the senate.. Could the influence from the > nation's > > > > >capitol in the form of Tom DeLay, have something to do with this > > > priority??
> > > > Uh, Rep. Tom DeLay isn't in the state legislature. And he isn't the > > > > Govenor. Rep. Tom DeLay can't pass any legislation in Texas.
> > > Uh.... keep up .. Tom DeLay is the one who started this mess and his > > > influence contributed to the execution of it.. I called his name on TV > on > > > two occasions and before illustrious committee members and that is the > > > facts.. Go for it .. Where were you ??
and just remember, folks. you can hate the government but you must remember WHO controls the government ---big business and the Rich. it ain't "the people"
--rj take the red pill.
"Bill Walker" <bill.walk...@verizon.net> wrote in message
> > Actually, Tom delay is the guy who brought in several million dollars of > > corporate soft money and targeted 42 Democratic Texas legislators. That is > > the reason why the House went Republican in the first place. Since the > > Republicans are quite beholden to him, he can pass any legislation he > wants > > in the Republican-run House of Representatives.
> > Tom Delay really is the guy who started this mess.
> Exactly what I have been saying and pointing out to voters across this state > for several weeks now.. Thanks for the input and support of my contention..
> "Roger R." <jayraynospa...@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:tzkQa.971$1N6.546@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com... > > Actually, Tom delay is the guy who brought in several million dollars of > > corporate soft money and targeted 42 Democratic Texas legislators. That is > > the reason why the House went Republican in the first place. Since the > > Republicans are quite beholden to him, he can pass any legislation he > wants > > in the Republican-run House of Representatives. > > Tom Delay really is the guy who started this mess. > Exactly what I have been saying and pointing out to voters across this state > for several weeks now.. Thanks for the input and support of my
contention..
> Bill Walker > Irving, Tx..
> > RR
Texas went Republican at the grassroots level years ago (look at Presidential elections results, polls, etc.) - it's only been Democrats' gerrymandering that has kept them in any semblance of power. The mandated review of the districts was halted in 2000 (against the due procedure) by the Democrats, and they tried to block its revisiting by the branch of government Constitutionally chosen to do so by more such means. And yet, DeLay is your straw man for pushing that the Constitutionally mandated method be followed for the first time since the Democrats were forced out of power by their poor election results. There was no hubbub for the last 50 yars when Dems were pushing districts around like Play-Doh, only now.....uh-huh, whatever.
> they're too plugged into the matrix, I mean Television. if they aren't at > work, they're plugged in. and if they went to a public high school(with a > few exceptions) then they don't have the ability to think critically. some > of them will wake up eventually. can't have a healthy representative > government without a literate, thinking, voting population. the criminals > in our congress and the Whitehouse do the things they do because they CAN.
How bad is it going to get before people have had enough?
> > "Rob Jones" <RJo...@msn.com> wrote in message > > news:vh32b7c90ehs34@corp.supernews.com... > > > its called consolidating republican big business/Rich power, baby!!!
> > Isn't it amazing that the gullible public voted these turds into power and > > now they are being screwed by them and they don't even get it? So much > for > > "less government". So much for "no nation building", etc.
> > > > > >> OK You morons... The sycophant editor at the Chronicle must be on > > > > > >> vacation. The real explanation about why we have to do the > > > > > >> redistricting now was published today. Here it is:
> > > > > >Just a couple of questions concerning this point.. The issue of > > > > > >re-districting was brought up after the census numbers were in in > > > 2000.. > > > > > >Perry, Craddick, Crabbe and a few of the other lap-dogs, didn't > give > > it > > > > > >priority at that time and the issue was tabled and resolved in the > > > > supreme > > > > > >court.. We have been re-districted and the plan was accepted by the > > > > people > > > > > >of Texas.. The contention now is that it never happenned ?? > > Hello.....
> > > > > Texas was handed a re-districting plan thought up by Klinton > > > > > appointees that was designed to hand the MINORITY democRAT party a > > > > > MAJORITY of the Representative seats. Since the democRAT party has > > > > > fallen apart on the state level, that was the only way they could > > > > > retain some power.
> > > > > >The second question is why this is such an important issue during > > this > > > > time, > > > > > >since the majority party is controlling the state house, the house > of > > > > > >representatives and the senate.. Could the influence from the > > nation's > > > > > >capitol in the form of Tom DeLay, have something to do with this > > > > priority??
> > > > > Uh, Rep. Tom DeLay isn't in the state legislature. And he isn't the > > > > > Govenor. Rep. Tom DeLay can't pass any legislation in Texas.
> > > > Uh.... keep up .. Tom DeLay is the one who started this mess and his > > > > influence contributed to the execution of it.. I called his name on TV > > on > > > > two occasions and before illustrious committee members and that is the > > > > facts.. Go for it .. Where were you ??
> > > Actually, Tom delay is the guy who brought in several million dollars of > > > corporate soft money and targeted 42 Democratic Texas legislators. That > is > > > the reason why the House went Republican in the first place. Since the > > > Republicans are quite beholden to him, he can pass any legislation he > > wants > > > in the Republican-run House of Representatives.
> > > Tom Delay really is the guy who started this mess.
> > Exactly what I have been saying and pointing out to voters across this > state > > for several weeks now.. Thanks for the input and support of my > contention..
> > Bill Walker > > Irving, Tx..
> > > RR
> Texas went Republican at the grassroots level years ago (look at > Presidential elections results, polls, etc.) - it's only been Democrats' > gerrymandering that has kept them in any semblance of power. The mandated > review of the districts was halted in 2000 (against the due procedure) by > the Democrats, and they tried to block its revisiting by the branch of > government Constitutionally chosen to do so by more such means. And yet, > DeLay is your straw man for pushing that the Constitutionally mandated > method be followed for the first time since the Democrats were forced out of > power by their poor election results. There was no hubbub for the last 50 > yars when Dems were pushing districts around like Play-Doh, only > now.....uh-huh, whatever.
Thanks for the history lesson.. You might oughtta get out more.. This one looks ripe to come back and haunt the republicans by the time it is finished.. Ain't no game being played here, sonny.. You are lookin' at some serious "in your face politics".. That is the response to the heavy handed strategy used by Bush republican stooge, Tom DeLay.. Backfiring to beat all get out...
> "Rob Jones" <RJo...@msn.com> wrote in message > news:vh400tf4qqcl2a@corp.supernews.com... > > they're too plugged into the matrix, I mean Television. if they aren't at > > work, they're plugged in. and if they went to a public high school(with a > > few exceptions) then they don't have the ability to think critically. some > > of them will wake up eventually. can't have a healthy representative > > government without a literate, thinking, voting population. the criminals > > in our congress and the Whitehouse do the things they do because they CAN.
> How bad is it going to get before people have had enough?
Looks like they finally crossed the line with this re-districting strategy.. I believe it has backfired and people are beginning to fight back.. It is about time..
> > > "Rob Jones" <RJo...@msn.com> wrote in message > > > news:vh32b7c90ehs34@corp.supernews.com... > > > > its called consolidating republican big business/Rich power, baby!!!
> > > Isn't it amazing that the gullible public voted these turds into power > and > > > now they are being screwed by them and they don't even get it? So much > > for > > > "less government". So much for "no nation building", etc.
> > > > > > >> OK You morons... The sycophant editor at the Chronicle must be > on > > > > > > >> vacation. The real explanation about why we have to do the > > > > > > >> redistricting now was published today. Here it is:
> > > > > > >Just a couple of questions concerning this point.. The issue of > > > > > > >re-districting was brought up after the census numbers were in in > > > > 2000.. > > > > > > >Perry, Craddick, Crabbe and a few of the other lap-dogs, didn't > > give > > > it > > > > > > >priority at that time and the issue was tabled and resolved in > the > > > > > supreme > > > > > > >court.. We have been re-districted and the plan was accepted by > the > > > > > people > > > > > > >of Texas.. The contention now is that it never happenned ?? > > > Hello.....
> > > > > > Texas was handed a re-districting plan thought up by Klinton > > > > > > appointees that was designed to hand the MINORITY democRAT party a > > > > > > MAJORITY of the Representative seats. Since the democRAT party > has > > > > > > fallen apart on the state level, that was the only way they could > > > > > > retain some power.
> > > > > > >The second question is why this is such an important issue during > > > this > > > > > time, > > > > > > >since the majority party is controlling the state house, the > house > > of > > > > > > >representatives and the senate.. Could the influence from the > > > nation's > > > > > > >capitol in the form of Tom DeLay, have something to do with this > > > > > priority??
> > > > > > Uh, Rep. Tom DeLay isn't in the state legislature. And he isn't > the > > > > > > Govenor. Rep. Tom DeLay can't pass any legislation in Texas.
> > > > > Uh.... keep up .. Tom DeLay is the one who started this mess and his > > > > > influence contributed to the execution of it.. I called his name on > TV > > > on > > > > > two occasions and before illustrious committee members and that is > the > > > > > facts.. Go for it .. Where were you ??
>>they're too plugged into the matrix, I mean Television. if they aren't at >>work, they're plugged in. and if they went to a public high school(with a >>few exceptions) then they don't have the ability to think critically. some >>of them will wake up eventually. can't have a healthy representative >>government without a literate, thinking, voting population. the criminals >>in our congress and the Whitehouse do the things they do because they CAN.
> How bad is it going to get before people have had enough?
The poeple already had enough and started to kick out the democrats back in 1992 and continuied the good work in 2002. Now it time get rid of the rest the lot who have scammed the public for decades.
>>its called consolidating republican big business/Rich power, baby!!!
> Isn't it amazing that the gullible public voted these turds into power and > now they are being screwed by them and they don't even get it? So much for > "less government". So much for "no nation building", etc.
Where are we Nation Building? We took out the terrorist govt. of Afganistan and Iraq and in the process of restoring order.
Nation Building is what we did in Yugoslavia. We had no interest there. Hattii another failed example.. T
he circumstances have changed since 9-11. Do you propose knocking out the terror governments and then leaving allowing the power vaccum to form?
<bill.walk...@verizon.net> wrote: >Thanks for the history lesson..
Someone needs to educate you. Just reading those propaganda sheets from DNC HQ all the time will rot your mind.
>You might oughtta get out more.. This one >looks ripe to come back and haunt the republicans by the time it is >finished.. Ain't no game being played here, sonny.. You are lookin' at some >serious "in your face politics".. That is the response to the heavy handed >strategy used by Bush republican stooge, Tom DeLay.. Backfiring to beat all >get out...
Yah, in your mind, demostooge. The ones running scared (still) are the chik-n-D's that defected to Oklahoma. This special session and all the costs are THEIR FAULT. Some of them are in protected districts, but hopefully we can run 12 of them off and elect Republicans. Then next session they can ALL go to Oklahoma or Cuba or whatever and STAY THERE.
>>>its called consolidating republican big business/Rich power, baby!!!
>> Isn't it amazing that the gullible public voted these turds into power and >> now they are being screwed by them and they don't even get it? So much for >> "less government". So much for "no nation building", etc.
>Where are we Nation Building? We took out the terrorist govt. of >Afganistan and Iraq and in the process of restoring order.
>Nation Building is what we did in Yugoslavia. We had no interest there. > Hattii another failed example.. T
Yeah, terrorists don't breed in areas of anarchy and repression, do they?
Or maybe by "no interests there" you mean "no oil there."
>he circumstances have changed since 9-11. Do you propose knocking out >the terror governments and then leaving allowing the power vaccum to form?
Hey dunderhead ... the liberals are all about nation building. The liberal candidate in the last election said it was a "good thing." Your boy said he wouldn't do it.
>>>they're too plugged into the matrix, I mean Television. if they aren't at >>>work, they're plugged in. and if they went to a public high school(with a >>>few exceptions) then they don't have the ability to think critically. some >>>of them will wake up eventually. can't have a healthy representative >>>government without a literate, thinking, voting population. the criminals >>>in our congress and the Whitehouse do the things they do because they CAN.
>> How bad is it going to get before people have had enough?
>The poeple already had enough and started to kick out the democrats back >in 1992 and continuied the good work in 2002. Now it time get rid of >the rest the lot who have scammed the public for decades.
>MRC
Right. The people in the heavily Republican districts out west hate Democrats so much, they keep sending Charlie Stenholm back to congress.
>>>>> Houston Chronicle >>>>> July 11, 2003, 9:27PM
>>>>>PERRYMANDERING
>>>>>Redistricting without the people, against the people
>><snipped another clueless rant by a lying liberal>
>>OK You morons... The sycophant editor at the Chronicle must be on >>vacation. The real explanation about why we have to do the >>redistricting now was published today. Here it is:
> Just a couple of questions concerning this point.. The issue of > re-districting was brought up after the census numbers were in in 2000.. > Perry, Craddick, Crabbe and a few of the other lap-dogs, didn't give it > priority at that time and the issue was tabled and resolved in the supreme > court.. We have been re-districted and the plan was accepted by the people > of Texas.. The contention now is that it never happenned ?? Hello.....
Gee, you must have been asleep during 2001. The Dems controlled the House. There was no agreement. They could have stayed in session all year and there would have been no progress. The State Govt. did not redistrict. Federal judges did based upon the gerrymandering of Martin Frost and et. al. in 1991. You say that the plan was accepted by the people. When did the people vote on this plan? When did the Legislature vote on this plan? To give you a hint, they never did!
> The second question is why this is such an important issue during this time, > since the majority party is controlling the state house, the house of > representatives and the senate.. Could the influence from the nation's > capitol in the form of Tom DeLay, have something to do with this priority??
> Bill Walker > Irving, Tx..
It has to do with the fact that the Republicans have a better chance to get a redistricting plan of any sort passed than in the previous session. And even if Tom DeLay did have something to do with it, so what! Martin Frost was hip deep in it in 1991 and was involved in this round in 2003. The Legislature was not keen on taking up the isssue with the situation of the budget looming. Now that is fixed the issue of redistricting can proceed.
>"Rob Jones" <RJo...@msn.com> wrote in message >news:vh400tf4qqcl2a@corp.supernews.com... >> they're too plugged into the matrix, I mean Television. if they aren't at >> work, they're plugged in. and if they went to a public high school(with a >> few exceptions) then they don't have the ability to think critically. some >> of them will wake up eventually. can't have a healthy representative >> government without a literate, thinking, voting population. the criminals >> in our congress and the Whitehouse do the things they do because they CAN.
>How bad is it going to get before people have had enough?
Didn't America have a Revolution when British colonial taxes were only 3%, an unconscionably high level? LOL. A short rope with a few twists in it over a tall tree would do wonders to reform DC.
> > > > Actually, Tom delay is the guy who brought in several million dollars > of > > > > corporate soft money and targeted 42 Democratic Texas legislators. > That > > is > > > > the reason why the House went Republican in the first place. Since the > > > > Republicans are quite beholden to him, he can pass any legislation he > > > wants > > > > in the Republican-run House of Representatives.
> > > > Tom Delay really is the guy who started this mess.
> > > Exactly what I have been saying and pointing out to voters across this > > state > > > for several weeks now.. Thanks for the input and support of my > > contention..
> > > Bill Walker > > > Irving, Tx..
> > > > RR
> > Texas went Republican at the grassroots level years ago (look at > > Presidential elections results, polls, etc.) - it's only been Democrats' > > gerrymandering that has kept them in any semblance of power. The mandated > > review of the districts was halted in 2000 (against the due procedure) by > > the Democrats, and they tried to block its revisiting by the branch of > > government Constitutionally chosen to do so by more such means. And yet, > > DeLay is your straw man for pushing that the Constitutionally mandated > > method be followed for the first time since the Democrats were forced out > of > > power by their poor election results. There was no hubbub for the last 50 > > yars when Dems were pushing districts around like Play-Doh, only > > now.....uh-huh, whatever.
> Thanks for the history lesson.. You might oughtta get out more.. This one > looks ripe to come back and haunt the republicans by the time it is > finished.. Ain't no game being played here, sonny.. You are lookin' at some > serious "in your face politics".. That is the response to the heavy handed > strategy used by Bush republican stooge, Tom DeLay.. Backfiring to beat all > get out...
> Bill Walker > Irving, Tx..
> > D > > -- > > "Freedom" does not mean "free of charge".
I'm not sure Tom Delay is a stooge.
He was the single most important person in Congress forcing the Impeachment of Clinton. He is one of the most powerful fundraisers in the Republican Party, if not the single most powerful one. Most of what has come out of Congress that is destructive to America has his fingerprints all over it. He is probably the most powerful single politician in Texas today, and certainly in the top ten in the US today.
