A good time to buy shares..

[felix_unger]

Now is a good time to buy shares, or wait a little longer to see how
much further the market will fall

--
rgds,

Pete
-------
�If Julia is the answer, then what was the stupid question?!�

"Julia finally got something right. Older people don't vote Labor, because they have seen too many incompetent, mismanaging, money-wasting Labor governments"

"If the WORLD as a whole cut ALL emissions tomorrow, the average temperature of the planet's not going to drop for several hundred years, perhaps over on thousand years" - Tim Flannery, Climate Commissioner

�Wayne Swan threatening the Banks, is a bit like being savaged by a dead sheep!�

"The only way right now to restore integrity to our Parliament, to restore the reputation of our polity, is for this sad and sorry Parliament to be dissolved and for there to be an election" - Tony Abbott, Federal Opposition Leader

Give Juliar the boot!.. http://ausnet.info/pics/boot.jpg

[Coach]

On May 18, 9:47 pm, felix_unger <m...@nothere.com> wrote:
> Now is a good time to buy shares, or wait a little longer to see how
> much further the market will fall
>
> --
> rgds,
>
> Pete
> -------

> If Julia is the answer, then what was the stupid question?!
>

> "Julia finally got something right. Older people don't vote Labor, because they have seen too many incompetent, mismanaging, money-wasting Labor governments"
>
> "If the WORLD as a whole cut ALL emissions tomorrow, the average temperature of the planet's not going to drop for several hundred years, perhaps over on thousand years" - Tim Flannery, Climate Commissioner
>

> Wayne Swan threatening the Banks, is a bit like being savaged by a dead sheep!
>

> "The only way right now to restore integrity to our Parliament, to restore the reputation of our polity, is for this sad and sorry Parliament to be dissolved and for there to be an election" - Tony Abbott, Federal Opposition Leader
>
> Give Juliar the boot!..http://ausnet.info/pics/boot.jpg

Why buy shares when you are on welfare ? You risk losing payments.

[Petzl]

On Fri, 18 May 2012 21:47:20 +1000, felix_unger <m...@nothere.com>
wrote:

>
>Now is a good time to buy shares, or wait a little longer to see how
>much further the market will fall

Don't think so. Big worry is if our dollar falls is our own bank
security. This is a domino effect Spain has now not able to hide it's
debt which is found to be worse than declared.
I believe that Australia is sound. This though has no meaning when
most Australian shares are overseas owned and sell-off will be brutal.
China will also be impacted. India is failing going back to poverty
driven. Resources have peaked China cannot consume any more further
increases by Iron, coal will just devalue these commodities.
Gillard has fucked up by not getting Rudds superprofits tax while we
could. This watered down version is not enough and too late
--
Petzl
Q: What has Tony Abbott promised Murdoch?
A: A broadband network that will be so slow as to offer no competition to his pay tv interests.

[felix_unger]

On 18-May-2012 10:23 PM, Coach wrote:

> On May 18, 9:47 pm, felix_unger<m...@nothere.com> wrote:
>> Now is a good time to buy shares, or wait a little longer to see how
>> much further the market will fall
>>
>>

> Why buy shares when you are on welfare ? You risk losing payments.

Nope. welfare payments are based on total assets, so since you use your
cash to buy the shares the total doesn't change. only if the shares rise
in value would that happen, and shares aren't going to rise anytime soon.

--
rgds,

Pete
-------
�If Julia is the answer, then what was the stupid question?!�

"Julia finally got something right. Older people don't vote Labor, because they have seen too many incompetent, mismanaging, money-wasting Labor governments"

"If the WORLD as a whole cut ALL emissions tomorrow, the average temperature of the planet's not going to drop for several hundred years, perhaps over on thousand years" - Tim Flannery, Climate Commissioner

�Wayne Swan threatening the Banks, is a bit like being savaged by a dead sheep!�

[Dr Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF]

felix_unger wrote:
>
> Now is a good time to buy shares, or wait a little longer to see how much
> further the market will fall

Flange's Bum would recommend BHP. Sergay would perfer Flange's Bum.

--
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ipvdBnU8F8
- KRudd at his finest.

"The Labour Party is corrupt beyond redemption!"
- Labour hasbeen Mark Latham in a moment of honest clarity.

"This is the recession we had to have!"
- Paul Keating explaining why he gave Australia another Labour recession.

"Silly old bugger!"
- Well known ACTU pisspot and sometime Labour prime minister Bob Hawke
responding to a pensioner who dared ask for more.

"By 1990, no child will live in poverty"
- Bob Hawke again, desperate to win another election.

"A billion trees ..."
- Borke, pissed as a newt again.

"Well may we say 'God save the Queen' because nothing will save the governor
general!"
- Egotistical shithead and pompous fuckwit E.G. Whitlam whining about his
appointee for Governor General John Kerr.

"SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU DUMB CUNT!"
- FlangesBum on learning the truth about Labour's economic capabilities.

"I don't care what you fuckers think!"
- KRudd the KRude Rat at his finest again.

"We'll just change it all when we get in."
- Garrett the carrott

"There will be no carbon tax."
- Juliar Dullard

[Rod Speed]

felix_unger <m...@nothere.com> wrote

> Now is a good time to buy shares,

We'll see when greece pulls out of the eurozone
and is followed by spain and italy etc etc etc.

> or wait a little longer to see how much further the market will fall

You'll need to wait more than just a little longer on that.

[Rod Speed]

Pretzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote

> felix_unger <m...@nothere.com> wrote

>> Now is a good time to buy shares, or wait a little
>> longer to see how much further the market will fall

> Don't think so. Big worry is if our
> dollar falls is our own bank security.

Nope, they're fine. And their security doesn't
depend on the value of the dollar anyway.

> This is a domino effect

Not with our banks it isnt.

> Spain has now not able to hide it's debt
> which is found to be worse than declared.

Debts always are.

> I believe that Australia is sound.

Corse it is, we didn't even get a recession when everyone else did.

> This though has no meaning when most
> Australian shares are overseas owned

Pigs arse they are.

> and sell-off will be brutal.

We'll see...

> China will also be impacted.

Not enough to matter, just like last time.

> India is failing going back to poverty driven.

Even sillier.

> Resources have peaked

Fools claimed that before too.

> China cannot consume any more

Even sillier.

> further increases by Iron, coal will just devalue these commodities.

Even sillier with the stupid Japs turning off all their nukes.

> Gillard has fucked up by not getting Rudds superprofits tax while we
> could.

That was never going to happen.

> This watered down version is not enough and too late

Even sillier.

[Rod Speed]

felix_unger <m...@nothere.com> wrote
> Coach wrote

>> felix_unger<m...@nothere.com> wrote

>>> Now is a good time to buy shares, or wait a little
>>> longer to see how much further the market will fall

>> Why buy shares when you are on welfare ? You risk losing payments.

> Nope.

Yep.

> welfare payments are based on total assets, so since you
> use your cash to buy the shares the total doesn't change.

Depends entirely on whether you have told them about that cash.

Lot harder to not tell them about the shares.

> only if the shares rise in value would that happen,
> and shares aren't going to rise anytime soon.

If they arent, what the fuck is the point in buying them now ?

[felix_unger]

On 19-May-2012 5:27 AM, Rod Speed wrote:

> felix_unger <m...@nothere.com> wrote
>> Now is a good time to buy shares,
>
> We'll see when greece pulls out of the eurozone and is followed by
> spain and italy etc etc etc.

then they'll be even lower

>> or wait a little longer to see how much further the market will fall
>
> You'll need to wait more than just a little longer on that.

--
rgds,

Pete
-------
“If Julia is the answer, then what was the stupid question?!”

"Julia finally got something right. Older people don't vote Labor, because they have seen too many incompetent, mismanaging, money-wasting Labor governments"

"If the WORLD as a whole cut ALL emissions tomorrow, the average temperature of the planet's not going to drop for several hundred years, perhaps over on thousand years" - Tim Flannery, Climate Commissioner

“Wayne Swan threatening the Banks, is a bit like being savaged by a dead sheep!”

[felix_unger]

because they're cheap! shares are a long term investment, unless you're
a gambler.

[MontyCarlo]

Dividend yields.

[GM Smerkoff]

On 18/05/2012 9:47 PM, felix_unger wrote:
>
> Now is a good time to buy shares, or wait a little longer to see how
> much further the market will fall
>

Not everything is falling. The market is restructuring - to reflect the
future restructuring in the economy.

Successful IPOs, for example, are usually a positive signal.

--

"Climate is, and will continue to be, created and controlled by immense
and complex natural forces, not by political fact. Any practical way
forward out of the present 'stop global warming' fiasco must acknowledge
that reality"
(Bob Carter. Climate - The Counter Consensus)

[Gillard = Rudd in a frock]

On Fri, 18 May 2012 21:47:20 +1000, felix_unger <m...@nothere.com>
wrote:

>

>Now is a good time to buy shares, or wait a little longer to see how
>much further the market will fall

Is that a question, or a statement?
--

"One thing is sure - there will be no Gillard era. This is not a
20-year stretch. Civilised people's hands are already over their faces
every time she speaks. That cannot last. She has no power, no
influence, no friends, no learning. There's not much there."

Bob Ellis (ALP speech writer) on Dullard! http://tinyurl.com/23jklvv

"Gillard is part of a Melbourne-based gang Ellis dubs the "Mouse Pack",
which includes Simon Crean and Martin Ferguson.

"They twitch their whiskers and come out in favour of the Afghan war
without studying the problem or noting that an army intelligence
officer [independent MP Andrew Wilkie] holds the balance of power,"
Ellis says."

More Bob Ellis (ALP Speech writer) on Dullard! http://tinyurl.com/23jklvv

[jg]

On 19/05/2012 6:58 AM, Gillard = Rudd in a frock wrote:
> On Fri, 18 May 2012 21:47:20 +1000, felix_unger<m...@nothere.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Now is a good time to buy shares, or wait a little longer to see how
>> much further the market will fall
>
> Is that a question, or a statement?

Sounds like a dare, both ways.

[Rod Speed]

felix_unger <m...@nothere.com> wrote

> Rod Speed wrote
>> felix_unger <m...@nothere.com> wrote

>>> Now is a good time to buy shares,

>> We'll see when greece pulls out of the eurozone
>> and is followed by spain and italy etc etc etc.

> then they'll be even lower

So it would be stupid to buy the shares now, stupid.

[Rod Speed]

felix_unger <m...@nothere.com> wrote

> Rod Speed wrote
>> felix_unger <m...@nothere.com> wrote
>>> Coach wrote
>>>> felix_unger<m...@nothere.com> wrote

>>>>> Now is a good time to buy shares, or wait a little
>>>>> longer to see how much further the market will fall

>>>> Why buy shares when you are on welfare ? You risk losing payments.

>>> Nope.

>> Yep.

>>> welfare payments are based on total assets, so since you
>>> use your cash to buy the shares the total doesn't change.

>> Depends entirely on whether you have told them about
>> that cash. Lot harder to not tell them about the shares.

>>> only if the shares rise in value would that happen,
>>> and shares aren't going to rise anytime soon.

>> If they arent, what the fuck is the point in buying them now ?

> because they're cheap!

And we will see if they get a lot cheaper!!!

> shares are a long term investment, unless you're a gambler.

Still makes much more sense to buy them
after they have fallen than before they do.

[Rod Speed]

MontyCarlo <bik...@primus.com> wrote

You don't gain a damned thing if the share price
drops by more than the dividend pays, stupid.

[atec77]

On 19/05/2012 8:58 AM, Gillard = Rudd in a frock wrote:
> On Fri, 18 May 2012 21:47:20 +1000, felix_unger<m...@nothere.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Now is a good time to buy shares, or wait a little longer to see how
>> much further the market will fall
>
> Is that a question, or a statement?

Either way it's wrong

Property everytime

--









X-No-Archive: Yes

[felix_unger]

On 19-May-2012 9:21 AM, Rod Speed wrote:

> felix_unger <m...@nothere.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> felix_unger <m...@nothere.com> wrote
>>>> Coach wrote
>>>>> felix_unger<m...@nothere.com> wrote
>
>>>>>> Now is a good time to buy shares, or wait a little longer to see
>>>>>> how much further the market will fall
>
>>>>> Why buy shares when you are on welfare ? You risk losing payments.
>
>>>> Nope.
>
>>> Yep.
>
>>>> welfare payments are based on total assets, so since you use your
>>>> cash to buy the shares the total doesn't change.
>
>>> Depends entirely on whether you have told them about that cash. Lot
>>> harder to not tell them about the shares.
>
>>>> only if the shares rise in value would that happen, and shares
>>>> aren't going to rise anytime soon.
>
>>> If they arent, what the fuck is the point in buying them now ?
>
>> because they're cheap!
>
> And we will see if they get a lot cheaper!!!

Have fun trying to pick the bottom of the market. even the experts can't
do it. and I never said that the market isn't still falling. you buy
shares when the market is falling and sell when it's rising. that's the
golden rule.

>
>> shares are a long term investment, unless you're a gambler.
>
> Still makes much more sense to buy them after they have fallen than
> before they do.

--
rgds,

Pete
-------
“If Julia is the answer, then what was the stupid question?!”

"Julia finally got something right. Older people don't vote Labor, because they have seen too many incompetent, mismanaging, money-wasting Labor governments"

"If the WORLD as a whole cut ALL emissions tomorrow, the average temperature of the planet's not going to drop for several hundred years, perhaps over on thousand years" - Tim Flannery, Climate Commissioner

“Wayne Swan threatening the Banks, is a bit like being savaged by a dead sheep!”

[felix_unger]

On 19-May-2012 8:58 AM, Gillard = Rudd in a frock wrote:

> On Fri, 18 May 2012 21:47:20 +1000, felix_unger<m...@nothere.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Now is a good time to buy shares, or wait a little longer to see how
>> much further the market will fall
> Is that a question, or a statement?

advice :)

--
rgds,

Pete
-------
“If Julia is the answer, then what was the stupid question?!”

"Julia finally got something right. Older people don't vote Labor, because they have seen too many incompetent, mismanaging, money-wasting Labor governments"

"If the WORLD as a whole cut ALL emissions tomorrow, the average temperature of the planet's not going to drop for several hundred years, perhaps over on thousand years" - Tim Flannery, Climate Commissioner

“Wayne Swan threatening the Banks, is a bit like being savaged by a dead sheep!”

[felix_unger]

On 19-May-2012 9:16 AM, Rod Speed wrote:

> felix_unger <m...@nothere.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> felix_unger <m...@nothere.com> wrote
>
>>>> Now is a good time to buy shares,
>
>>> We'll see when greece pulls out of the eurozone and is followed by
>>> spain and italy etc etc etc.
>
>> then they'll be even lower
>
> So it would be stupid to buy the shares now, stupid.

what part of .. "or wait a little longer to see how much further the
market will fall " did you fail to comprehend, stupid

>>>> or wait a little longer to see how much further the market will fall
>
>>> You'll need to wait more than just a little longer on that.
>

[felix_unger]

do the words 'diversified portfolio' mean anything to you?

--
rgds,

Pete
-------
“If Julia is the answer, then what was the stupid question?!”

"Julia finally got something right. Older people don't vote Labor, because they have seen too many incompetent, mismanaging, money-wasting Labor governments"

"If the WORLD as a whole cut ALL emissions tomorrow, the average temperature of the planet's not going to drop for several hundred years, perhaps over on thousand years" - Tim Flannery, Climate Commissioner

“Wayne Swan threatening the Banks, is a bit like being savaged by a dead sheep!”

[jg]

On 19/05/2012 8:41 AM, felix_unger wrote:
> On 19-May-2012 10:28 AM, atec77 wrote:
>
>> On 19/05/2012 8:58 AM, Gillard = Rudd in a frock wrote:
>>> On Fri, 18 May 2012 21:47:20 +1000, felix_unger<m...@nothere.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Now is a good time to buy shares, or wait a little longer to see how
>>>> much further the market will fall
>>>
>>> Is that a question, or a statement?
>> Either way it's wrong
>>
>> Property everytime
>>
>
> do the words 'diversified portfolio' mean anything to you?
>

Yep - flats, villas, duplexes, hobby farm, caravan park perhaps.

[Coach]

On May 19, 12:30 am, felix_unger <m...@nothere.com> wrote:
> On 18-May-2012 10:23 PM, Coach wrote:
>
> > On May 18, 9:47 pm, felix_unger<m...@nothere.com>  wrote:
> >> Now is a good time to buy shares, or wait a little longer to see how
> >> much further the market will fall
>
> > Why buy shares when you are on welfare ? You risk losing payments.
>
> Nope. welfare payments are based on total assets, so since you use your
> cash to buy the shares the total doesn't change. only if the shares rise
> in value would that happen, and shares aren't going to rise anytime soon.

If you believe that shares aren't going to rise anytime soon, then you
have just answered your own question. Why buy shares now if they
aren't going to rise soon?

[MontyCarlo]

What a moron.
You get a dividend for life.
Think about it shortarse.

[atec77]

On 19/05/2012 10:41 AM, felix_unger wrote:
> On 19-May-2012 10:28 AM, atec77 wrote:
>
>> On 19/05/2012 8:58 AM, Gillard = Rudd in a frock wrote:
>>> On Fri, 18 May 2012 21:47:20 +1000, felix_unger<m...@nothere.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Now is a good time to buy shares, or wait a little longer to see how
>>>> much further the market will fall
>>>
>>> Is that a question, or a statement?
>> Either way it's wrong
>>
>> Property everytime
>>
>
> do the words 'diversified portfolio' mean anything to you?
>

Do the words 20 thousand to few houses a year being built mean anything
to you (that's a maximised return)

--









X-No-Archive: Yes

[terryc]

On 19/05/12 05:36, Rod Speed wrote:

>> China will also be impacted.
>
> Not enough to matter, just like last time.

Well, the head of BHP disagrees, but he also sees Chinese demand for his
company as soon(?) to reach a plateau(peak?).
Chinas problem is that their internal demand will take a while to
grow(economic boom trickle down) and meanwhile the rest of the world is
a significant proprtion of their market for manufactured goods.

OTOH, he didn't see current demand lessening, but was worried about
oversupply driving down prices recieved for his companies goods, which
would lessen the dividend possible.

[Wolfgang Wildeblood]

On May 19, 8:41 am, felix_unger <m...@nothere.com> wrote:
> On 19-May-2012 10:28 AM, atec77 wrote:
>
> > On 19/05/2012 8:58 AM, Gillard = Rudd in a frock wrote:
> >> On Fri, 18 May 2012 21:47:20 +1000, felix_unger<m...@nothere.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> >>> Now is a good time to buy shares, or wait a little longer to see how
> >>> much further the market will fall
>
> >> Is that a question, or a statement?
> > Either way it's wrong
>
> > Property everytime
>
> do the words 'diversified portfolio' mean anything to you?

Yep, it means someone's been dribbling bullshit in your ear.

[Wolfgang Wildeblood]

On May 19, 8:37 am, felix_unger <m...@nothere.com> wrote:

> Have fun trying to pick the bottom of the market. even the experts can't
> do it. and I never said that the market isn't still falling. you buy
> shares when the market is falling and sell when it's rising. that's the
> golden rule.

I hope for your sake that you're just trolling, and not actually
'investing' anyone's real money.

[terryc]

On 19/05/12 10:41, felix_unger wrote:
> On 19-May-2012 10:28 AM, atec77 wrote:
>
>> On 19/05/2012 8:58 AM, Gillard = Rudd in a frock wrote:
>>> On Fri, 18 May 2012 21:47:20 +1000, felix_unger<m...@nothere.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Now is a good time to buy shares, or wait a little longer to see how
>>>> much further the market will fall
>>>
>>> Is that a question, or a statement?
>> Either way it's wrong
>>
>> Property everytime
>>
>
> do the words 'diversified portfolio' mean anything to you?
>

Shrug, "land" is the one thing they are not making anything more of and
as the population increases, itas price is always going to go up*

*Interesting chart on ABC news the other night to show that the fall in
usa house prices was just a bubble and they are now back to "normal".

[Rod Speed]

felix_unger <m...@nothere.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> felix_unger <m...@nothere.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> felix_unger <m...@nothere.com> wrote
>>>>> Coach wrote
>>>>>> felix_unger<m...@nothere.com> wrote

>>>>>>> Now is a good time to buy shares, or wait a little longer to see how
>>>>>>> much further the market will fall

>>>>>> Why buy shares when you are on welfare ? You risk losing payments.

>>>>> Nope.

>>>> Yep.

>>>>> welfare payments are based on total assets, so since you use your cash
>>>>> to buy the shares the total doesn't change.

>>>> Depends entirely on whether you have told them about that cash. Lot
>>>> harder to not tell them about the shares.

>>>>> only if the shares rise in value would that happen, and shares aren't
>>>>> going to rise anytime soon.

>>>> If they arent, what the fuck is the point in buying them now ?

>>> because they're cheap!

>> And we will see if they get a lot cheaper!!!

> Have fun trying to pick the bottom of the market.

Only a fool like you doesn’t realise that there
isnt a long way for the market to fall yet.

> even the experts can't do it.

Only a fool like you doesn’t realise that there
isnt a long way for the market to fall yet.

> and I never said that the market isn't still falling.

You were actually stupid enough to claim
that now is a good time to buy shares. It aint.

> you buy shares when the market is falling

Only fools do anything like that. You qualify.

> and sell when it's rising.

Only fools do anything like that. You qualify.

> that's the golden rule.

That might well be what fools like you do.

That does not make it anything even remotely
resembling anything like the golden rule.

And its fools gold even if it was.

[Coach]

That's if you call houses being worth less than one fifth of their
previous value as "normal".

[Rod Speed]

felix_unger <m...@nothere.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> felix_unger <m...@nothere.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> felix_unger <m...@nothere.com> wrote

>>>>> Now is a good time to buy shares,

>>>> We'll see when greece pulls out of the eurozone
>>>> and is followed by spain and italy etc etc etc.

>>> then they'll be even lower

>> So it would be stupid to buy the shares now, stupid.

> what part of .. "or wait a little longer to see how much further
> the market will fall " did you fail to comprehend, stupid

What part of 'You'll need to wait more than just a
little longer on that' did you fail to understand, child ?

[Rod Speed]

Your sig is sposed to be last, with a line with just -- on it before it,
fuckwit child.

> You get a dividend for life.

Thanks for that completely superfluous proof
that you have never ever had a fucking clue
about anything at all, ever, fuckwit child.

> Think about it

Your ear to ear dog shit cant even manage that, fuckwit child.

[Rod Speed]

terryc <newsnine...@woa.com.au> wrote

> Rod Speed wrote

>>> China will also be impacted.

>> Not enough to matter, just like last time.

> Well, the head of BHP disagrees,

That stupid wog has never ever had a fucking clue.

> but he also sees Chinese demand for his
> company as soon(?) to reach a plateau(peak?).

He never ever said anything like that either.

And that's got absolutely NOTHING to do
with the current shit hitting the fan ANYWAY.

> Chinas problem is that their internal demand will take a while to grow

It already has much more than anywhere else.

> (economic boom trickle down)

Nothing to do with any 'trickle down'

> and meanwhile the rest of the world is a significant
> proprtion of their market for manufactured goods.

What BHP flogs to china has fuck all to do
with the market for manufactured goods.

> OTOH, he didn't see current demand lessening,

That stupid wog has always been completely irrelevant.

There's a reason he got the bums rush.

> but was worried about oversupply driving
> down prices recieved for his companies goods,

Different matter entirely.

> which would lessen the dividend possible.

Different matter entirely.

[Petzl]

Shares fall rapidly (theoretical bottom zero)
Going up is super slowly.

As the Euro banks are having a run on them one of the casualties is
our ASX (more shares owned overseas than Australia)

learn to read charts they do help and not motivated by "talking-up" or
"talking-down". If you can work out what is honest talk (fundamentals)
these override charts.
Dow Jones Industrial Average (ASX mainly Follow)
http://tinyurl.com/894vjno
ASX All Ordinaries Index
http://tinyurl.com/7rapph7

These are from www.BigCharts.com
Parabolic SAR (red)
Above price line (green) sell
Below price line (green) buy
MACD
Zero line Green above is positive
Zero line Green Below is Negative
EMA (signal line) red
MACD line blue above red line positive
Above "zero line" buy confirmed
MACD line blue below red line negative
Below "zero line" sell confirmed
--
Petzl

[terryc]

On 19/05/12 14:13, Coach wrote:

>>> do the words 'diversified portfolio' mean anything to you?
>>
>> Shrug, "land" is the one thing they are not making anything more of and
>> as the population increases, itas price is always going to go up*
>>
>> *Interesting chart on ABC news the other night to show that the fall in
>> usa house prices was just a bubble and they are now back to "normal".
>
> That's if you call houses being worth less than one fifth of their
> previous value as "normal".

Shrug, overcapitalisation has always been a problem in selling a
"house". It wasn't just there, but similar here. OTOH, we're always
hearing from some fool who borrowed far too much for their income.

[felix_unger]

and why would that be? please give us the benefit of your impeccable
wisdom..

[felix_unger]

On 19-May-2012 2:13 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
> felix_unger <m...@nothere.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> felix_unger <m...@nothere.com> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>> felix_unger <m...@nothere.com> wrote
>>>>>> Coach wrote
>>>>>>> felix_unger<m...@nothere.com> wrote
>
>>>>>>>> Now is a good time to buy shares, or wait a little longer to
>>>>>>>> see how much further the market will fall
>
>>>>>>> Why buy shares when you are on welfare ? You risk losing payments.
>
>>>>>> Nope.
>
>>>>> Yep.
>
>>>>>> welfare payments are based on total assets, so since you use your
>>>>>> cash to buy the shares the total doesn't change.
>
>>>>> Depends entirely on whether you have told them about that cash.
>>>>> Lot harder to not tell them about the shares.
>
>>>>>> only if the shares rise in value would that happen, and shares
>>>>>> aren't going to rise anytime soon.
>
>>>>> If they arent, what the fuck is the point in buying them now ?
>
>>>> because they're cheap!
>
>>> And we will see if they get a lot cheaper!!!
>
>> Have fun trying to pick the bottom of the market.
>

> Only a fool like you doesn�t realise that there

> isnt a long way for the market to fall yet.
>
>> even the experts can't do it.
>

> Only a fool like you doesn�t realise that there

> isnt a long way for the market to fall yet.
>
>> and I never said that the market isn't still falling.
>
> You were actually stupid enough to claim
> that now is a good time to buy shares. It aint.
>
>> you buy shares when the market is falling
>
> Only fools do anything like that. You qualify.
>
>> and sell when it's rising.
>
> Only fools do anything like that. You qualify.
>
>> that's the golden rule.
>
> That might well be what fools like you do.
>
> That does not make it anything even remotely
> resembling anything like the golden rule.
>
> And its fools gold even if it was.
>
>>>> shares are a long term investment, unless you're a gambler.
>
>>> Still makes much more sense to buy them after they have fallen than
>>> before they do.
>
>

only a fool would waste their time with your nonsense. goodbye!

[Rod Speed]

terryc <newsnine...@woa.com.au> wrote
> felix_unger wrote
>> atec77 wrote

>>> Gillard = Rudd in a frock wrote

>>>> felix_unger<m...@nothere.com> wrote

>>>>> Now is a good time to buy shares, or wait a little
>>>>> longer to see how much further the market will fall

>>>> Is that a question, or a statement?

>>> Either way it's wrong

>>> Property everytime

>> do the words 'diversified portfolio' mean anything to you?

> Shrug, "land" is the one thing they are not making anything more of
> and as the population increases, itas price is always going to go up*

Not necessarily, most obviously with ghost towns.

> *Interesting chart on ABC news the other night to show that the fall in
> usa house prices was just a bubble and they are now back to "normal".

House prices arent the same thing as land prices.

[Rod Speed]

Pretzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote
> Wolfgang Wildeblood <wolfgangw...@gmail.com> wrote

>> felix_unger <m...@nothere.com> wrote

>>> Have fun trying to pick the bottom of the market. even
>>> the experts can't do it. and I never said that the market
>>> isn't still falling. you buy shares when the market is falling
>>> and sell when it's rising. that's the golden rule.

>> I hope for your sake that you're just trolling,
>> and not actually 'investing' anyone's real money.

> Shares fall rapidly (theoretical bottom zero)
> Going up is super slowly.

Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have

never ever had a fucking clue about share prices either.

Taint what happened with Apple shares for starters.

> As the Euro banks are having a run on them one of the casualties
> is our ASX (more shares owned overseas than Australia)

Even sillier.

> learn to read charts

Something you clearly havent managed to do...

they do help and not motivated by "talking-up" or "talking-down".

Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you

have never ever had a fucking clue about charts either.

> If you can work out what is honest talk (fundamentals)

Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have

never ever had a fucking clue about fundamentals either.

> these override charts.

Mindlessly silly.

> Dow Jones Industrial Average (ASX mainly Follow)

Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you

have never ever had a fucking clue about indexes either.

> http://tinyurl.com/894vjno
> ASX All Ordinaries Index
> http://tinyurl.com/7rapph7

> These are from www.BigCharts.com
> Parabolic SAR (red)
> Above price line (green) sell
> Below price line (green) buy
> MACD
> Zero line Green above is positive
> Zero line Green Below is Negative
> EMA (signal line) red
> MACD line blue above red line positive
> Above "zero line" buy confirmed
> MACD line blue below red line negative
> Below "zero line" sell confirmed

Even sillier.

[Rod Speed]

felix_unger <m...@nothere.com> wrote

Says some fool that has been doing that for days.

> goodbye!

Don�t let the door hit you on the arse on the way out, child.

[felix_unger]

The point I was making is that it doesn't have to be one or the other.
any sensible investor, providing they have the money, has their funds in
various investments.

[Petzl]

On Sat, 19 May 2012 17:12:14 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> Shares fall rapidly (theoretical bottom zero)
>> Going up is super slowly.
>
>Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have
>never ever had a fucking clue about share prices either.
>
>Taint what happened with Apple shares for starters.
>

lad you have a clue?
Chart for Apple.inc
http://tinyurl.com/7neakcw
Don't look like a buy to me
--
Petzl

[jg]

On 19/05/2012 3:47 PM, felix_unger wrote:
> On 19-May-2012 2:08 PM, terryc wrote:
>
>> On 19/05/12 10:41, felix_unger wrote:
>>> On 19-May-2012 10:28 AM, atec77 wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 19/05/2012 8:58 AM, Gillard = Rudd in a frock wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 18 May 2012 21:47:20 +1000, felix_unger<m...@nothere.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now is a good time to buy shares, or wait a little longer to see how
>>>>>> much further the market will fall
>>>>>
>>>>> Is that a question, or a statement?
>>>> Either way it's wrong
>>>>
>>>> Property everytime
>>>>
>>>
>>> do the words 'diversified portfolio' mean anything to you?
>>>
>> Shrug, "land" is the one thing they are not making anything more of
>> and as the population increases, itas price is always going to go up*
>>
>> *Interesting chart on ABC news the other night to show that the fall
>> in usa house prices was just a bubble and they are now back to "normal".
>>
>
> The point I was making is that it doesn't have to be one or the other.
> any sensible investor, providing they have the money, has their funds in
> various investments.
>

It's smart to diversify with shares because some could lose all their
value. That's very unlikely with property, meanwhile you collect rent.

[| || ||| ||||| || |]

"felix_unger" <m...@nothere.com> wrote in message news:a1p1h5...@mid.individual.net...

> On 19-May-2012 2:08 PM, terryc wrote:
perty everytime
>>>>
>>>
>>> do the words 'diversified portfolio' mean anything to you?
>>>
>> Shrug, "land" is the one thing they are not making anything more of and as the
>> population increases, itas price is always going to go up*
>>
>> *Interesting chart on ABC news the other night to show that the fall in usa house
>> prices was just a bubble and they are now back to "normal".
>>
>
> The point I was making is that it doesn't have to be one or the other. any sensible
> investor, providing they have the money, has their funds in various investments.

It is one of those funny names 'Investors' usually aren't very invested.


Our little currency is the 3rd or so most traded in the world, and August is coming.
The Australian economy is strong, it it was a person they would be on steroids and very
buff,
and living on a diet of twisties and coke.

[terryc]

On 19/05/12 17:05, Rod Speed wrote:
> terryc <newsnine...@woa.com.au> wrote

>> Shrug, "land" is the one thing they are not making anything more of
>> and as the population increases, itas price is always going to go up*
>
> Not necessarily, most obviously with ghost towns.

Basic supply and demand still applies. But if you want CHEAP, they are
the placs to look.

>> *Interesting chart on ABC news the other night to show that the fall
>> in usa house prices was just a bubble and they are now back to "normal".
>
> House prices arent the same thing as land prices.

D'oh.

[terryc]

On 19/05/12 17:47, felix_unger wrote:
> On 19-May-2012 2:08 PM, terryc wrote:

> The point I was making is that it doesn't have to be one or the other.
> any sensible investor, providing they have the money, has their funds in
> various investments.

I uderstand land, houses/dwelling and house and lands, but the others,
other thn government bonds seem very risky to me.
>

[Rob]

Good time to float companies Eh!

[Rod Speed]

Pretzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote

> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote

>>> Shares fall rapidly (theoretical bottom zero)
>>> Going up is super slowly.

>> Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have
>> never ever had a fucking clue about share prices either.

>>Taint what happened with Apple shares for starters.

> lad you have a clue?

Older than you thanks, fart.

> Chart for Apple.inc
> http://tinyurl.com/7neakcw
> Don't look like a buy to me

Never said anything about a buy, fool.

I was clearly commenting on your stupid claim
about the rate of going down and going up.

[Rod Speed]

jg <j...@nospam.com> wrote
> felix_unger wrote
>> terryc wrote
>>> felix_unger wrote
>>>> atec77 wrote

>>>>> Gillard = Rudd in a frock wrote

>>>>>> felix_unger<m...@nothere.com> wrote

>>>>>>> Now is a good time to buy shares, or wait a little longer to see how
>>>>>>> much further the market will fall

>>>>>> Is that a question, or a statement?

>>>>> Either way it's wrong

>>>>> Property everytime

>>>> do the words 'diversified portfolio' mean anything to you?

>>> Shrug, "land" is the one thing they are not making anything more of
>>> and as the population increases, itas price is always going to go up*

>>> *Interesting chart on ABC news the other night to show that the fall in
>>> usa house prices was just a bubble and they are now back to "normal".

>> The point I was making is that it doesn't have to be one or the other.
>> any sensible investor, providing they have the money, has their funds in
>> various investments.

> It's smart to diversify with shares because some could lose all their
> value. That's very unlikely with property, meanwhile you collect rent.

Not if no one wants to rent it you don�t.

[Rod Speed]

terryc <newsnine...@woa.com.au> wrote

> Rod Speed wrote
>> terryc <newsnine...@woa.com.au> wrote

>>> Shrug, "land" is the one thing they are not making anything more of
>>> and as the population increases, itas price is always going to go up*

>> Not necessarily, most obviously with ghost towns.

> Basic supply and demand still applies.

And the price of land in ghost towns doesn't always go up.

> But if you want CHEAP, they are the placs to look.

Separate matter entirely to your original stupidity.

>>> *Interesting chart on ABC news the other night to show that the fall
>>> in usa house prices was just a bubble and they are now back to "normal".

>> House prices arent the same thing as land prices.

> D'oh.

So why did you add the second one ?

[Rod Speed]

terryc <newsnine...@woa.com.au> wrote
> felix_unger wrote

>> terryc wrote

>> The point I was making is that it doesn't have to be one
>> or the other. any sensible investor, providing they have
>> the money, has their funds in various investments.

> I uderstand land, houses/dwelling and house and lands,

You clearly don't understand what determines the price of land.

> but the others, other thn government bonds seem very risky to me.

More fool you.

[jg]

> Not if no one wants to rent it you don’t.

When the rental queues drop off they will want to buy the property.

[atec77]

On 19/05/2012 10:45 PM, | || ||| ||||| || | wrote:
> Our little currency is the 3rd or so most traded in the world, and August is coming.
> The Australian economy is strong, it it was a person they would be on steroids and very
> buff,
> and living on a diet of twisties and coke.

This

--









X-No-Archive: Yes

[Rod Speed]

jg <j...@nospam.com> wrote

Never said anything about the rental queue dropping off.

The real reason no one wants to rent a particular
place is because its no longer what the market is
interested in so you wont find a buyer for it either.

Very common with some property.

[Kevin Russell]

On Friday, 18 May 2012 21:47:20 UTC+10, felix_unger wrote:
> Now is a good time to buy shares, or wait a little longer to see how
> much further the market will fall
>

This is the last time I come to aus.tv for investment advice.

It's ALWAYS a good time to buy shares if you are in it for the long term. If you just want to speculate, why don't you just take your money to the track? And if you don't, why don't you just plonk it in the bank.

And that advice was free.

[jg]

>>> Not if no one wants to rent it you don�t.

>
>> When the rental queues drop off they will want to buy the property.
>
> Never said anything about the rental queue dropping off.
>
> The real reason no one wants to rent a particular
> place is because its no longer what the market is
> interested in so you wont find a buyer for it either.
>
> Very common with some property.

If you buy a rental property the assumption is it's suitable for
renting. The biggest pig is still worth land value.

The shortage of rental housing in at least some states is chronic. When
they can afford to be more fussy, doer upper purchases become popular.

[Rod Speed]

And that assumption can turn to do shit when the market changes.

And your original wasn�t about property bought to rent anyway.

> The biggest pig is still worth land value.

And that can be fuck all of what you paid for it. One local
property got burnt down and the land is going for just $20K.

And some others are worthless now its clear that you can end
with water 4' deep in it and no one will insure it against floods.

> The shortage of rental housing in at least some states is chronic.

Not in some parts of even those states.

> When they can afford to be more fussy, doer upper purchases become
> popular.

And some never qualify, most obviously with the shit
that they have to rent for just $1 a year in places like
Trundle because no one is silly enough to fix those up.

ALL states have plenty of shit like that.

[jg]

Then sell it, develop it or wait for prices to jump. The worst property
investment is still better than the worst share purchase.

>> The biggest pig is still worth land value.
>
> And that can be fuck all of what you paid for it. One local
> property got burnt down and the land is going for just $20K.
>

No insurance huh?

> And some others are worthless now its clear that you can end
> with water 4' deep in it and no one will insure it against floods.
>

So rare it's big news. People blow their money on stocks every day.

>> The shortage of rental housing in at least some states is chronic.
>
> Not in some parts of even those states.
>
>> When they can afford to be more fussy, doer upper purchases become
>> popular.
>
> And some never qualify, most obviously with the shit
> that they have to rent for just $1 a year in places like
> Trundle because no one is silly enough to fix those up.
>
> ALL states have plenty of shit like that.

A workmate owned a house like that in Harrismith (WA), paid $2000 for it
about 30 years ago. He knew it was for laughs - who wouldn't? But it's
probably worth more now.

[Rod Speed]

>>>>>> Not if no one wants to rent it you don’t.

>>>>> When the rental queues drop off they will want to buy the property.

>>>> Never said anything about the rental queue dropping off.

>>>> The real reason no one wants to rent a particular
>>>> place is because its no longer what the market is
>>>> interested in so you wont find a buyer for it either.

>>>> Very common with some property.

>>> If you buy a rental property the assumption is it's suitable for
>>> renting.

>> And that assumption can turn to do shit when the market changes.

>> And your original wasn’t about property bought to rent anyway.

> Then sell it,

That assumes that someone wants to buy it.

> develop it

That assumes that its developable, most property isnt.

> or wait for prices to jump.

Some of it never does.

> The worst property investment is still better than the worst share
> purchase.

Not necessarily. You have to pay rates etc on property.

>>> The biggest pig is still worth land value.

>> And that can be fuck all of what you paid for it. One local
>> property got burnt down and the land is going for just $20K.

> No insurance huh?

It was a housing commission property.

>> And some others are worthless now its clear that you can end
>> with water 4' deep in it and no one will insure it against floods.

> So rare it's big news.

Still happens.

> People blow their money on stocks every day.

Fuck all blow most of it on stocks.

>>> The shortage of rental housing in at least some states is chronic.

>> Not in some parts of even those states.

>>> When they can afford to be more fussy, doer upper purchases become
>>> popular.

>> And some never qualify, most obviously with the shit
>> that they have to rent for just $1 a year in places like
>> Trundle because no one is silly enough to fix those up.

>> ALL states have plenty of shit like that.

> A workmate owned a house like that in Harrismith (WA), paid $2000 for it
> about 30 years ago. He knew it was for laughs - who wouldn't? But it's
> probably worth more now.

And plenty who had done that in tiny country towns
of the same size in Qld, NSW, Vic and SA and parts
of WA would find its not even worth that today.

[felix_unger]

If you're buying shares that can do that, it's speculation not investment

> That's very unlikely with property, meanwhile you collect rent.
>

except with shares you don't need hundreds of thousands of dollars in
participate

[felix_unger]

The return on shares is always greater long term than the return on cash
investments (bonds, etc.,) and shares are not risky if you buy only blue
chip and keep them long enough.

[Rod Speed]

felix_unger <m...@nothere.com> wrote
> terryc wrote
>> felix_unger wrote

>>> terryc wrote

>>> The point I was making is that it doesn't have to be one or the other.
>>> any sensible investor, providing they have the money, has their funds in
>>> various investments.

>> I uderstand land, houses/dwelling and house and lands, but the others,
>> other thn government bonds seem very risky to me.

> The return on shares is always greater long term than the return on cash
> investments (bonds, etc.,)

Not always by a huge difference tho at some times.

> and shares are not risky if you buy only blue chip

Some of those went bust during the great depression.

> and keep them long enough.

That can be very long term if you buy them just before a crash tho.

Not that that’s very likely at all IMO, we appear to have worked
out how to avoid full depressions now. There were lots of them
in the century before 1929 and only severe recessions since then.

Its actually best to do all of them, a proper mix of property, shares and
cash.

Property does need a much larger wad of money to get started tho now.

[keithr]

On 19/05/2012 2:08 PM, terryc wrote:
> On 19/05/12 10:41, felix_unger wrote:
>> On 19-May-2012 10:28 AM, atec77 wrote:
>>
>>> On 19/05/2012 8:58 AM, Gillard = Rudd in a frock wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 18 May 2012 21:47:20 +1000, felix_unger<m...@nothere.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Now is a good time to buy shares, or wait a little longer to see how
>>>>> much further the market will fall
>>>>
>>>> Is that a question, or a statement?
>>> Either way it's wrong
>>>
>>> Property everytime
>>>
>>
>> do the words 'diversified portfolio' mean anything to you?
>>
> Shrug, "land" is the one thing they are not making anything more of and
> as the population increases, itas price is always going to go up*
>
> *Interesting chart on ABC news the other night to show that the fall in
> usa house prices was just a bubble and they are now back to "normal".
>

US house prices are more volatile than here. The house that I owned
there was built in 1988 and sold for $188K, I bought it in 1999 for
$164K, sold it in 2003 for $284K, and it is back down to $269K now. I
knew several people over there who went bankrupt in the middle 90s due
to the falling value of their houses. OTOH you can get a 30year fixed
rate mortgage over there.

[jg]

If you are buying shares that can't, they won't be much of an investment.

>> That's very unlikely with property, meanwhile you collect rent.
>>
>
> except with shares you don't need hundreds of thousands of dollars in
> participate
>

If property is not an option because of that, there is little point
debating which is best.

[Gordon Levi]

felix_unger <m...@nothere.com> wrote:

>The return on shares is always greater long term than the return on cash
>investments (bonds, etc.,) and shares are not risky if you buy only blue
>chip and keep them long enough.

Can you provide a definition of "blue chip" that would have guided me
forty years ago into buying _only_ shares that still have value today.

[Rod Speed]

jg <j...@nospam.com> wrote
> felix_unger wrote

>> jg wrote
>>> felix_unger wrote
>>>> terryc wrote
>>>>> felix_unger wrote
>>>>>> atec77 wrote

>>>>>>> Gillard = Rudd in a frock wrote

>>>>>>>> felix_unger<m...@nothere.com>wrote

>>>>>>>>> Now is a good time to buy shares, or wait a little longer to see
>>>>>>>>> how much further the market will fall

>>>>>>>> Is that a question, or a statement?

>>>>>>> Either way it's wrong

>>>>>>> Property everytime

>>>>>> do the words 'diversified portfolio' mean anything to you?

>>>>> Shrug, "land" is the one thing they are not making anything more of
>>>>> and as the population increases, itas price is always going to go up*

>>>>> *Interesting chart on ABC news the other night to show that the fall
>>>>> in usa house prices was just a bubble and they are now back to
>>>>> "normal".

>>>> The point I was making is that it doesn't have to be one or the other.
>>>> any sensible investor, providing they have the money, has their funds
>>>> in
>>>> various investments.

>>> It's smart to diversify with shares because some could lose all their
>>> value.

>> If you're buying shares that can do that, it's speculation not investment

> If you are buying shares that can't, they won't be much of an investment.

Even sillier.

>>> That's very unlikely with property, meanwhile you collect rent.

>> except with shares you don't need hundreds of thousands of dollars in
>> participate

> If property is not an option because of that, there is little point
> debating which is best.

Wrong when there is an obvious choice between cash
in the bank, bonds, stocks etc for someone like that.

[Rod Speed]

Gordon Levi <gor...@address.invalid> wrote

Top say 20 of the ASX etc. And not just one of them either, a decent mix.

[Krypsis]

Just look at their history on sites such as Commsec. A friend only
bought blue chip shares that had a long history (20+ years) of overall
growth in share value and had always paid a reasonable franked dividend
in that time. He wasn't concerned about the dips and rises in the share
capital value as long as the growth average over the long term was
always positive. His average ROI of his share portfolio has always been
around 9%. During the GFC, my friend was hunting up money to purchase
more shares when everyone was dumping theirs.

--

Krypsis

[Krypsis]

True, a mix of minerals, finance and the like is what my friend has.

--

Krypsis

[Rod Speed]

Krypsis <kry...@optusnet.com.au> wrote

Yeah, me too, and I have been doing it for more than 50 years now.

And have property and cash too.

[Petzl]

One can always make money through stocks just as one can always lose
http://www.businessspectator.com.au/asxtop20
The charts tell all before buying and when to sell
As the Euro banks are having a run on them one of the casualties is
our ASX (more shares owned overseas than in Australia)

learn to read charts they do help and not motivated by "talking-up" or
"talking-down". *If* you can work out what is honest talk
(fundamentals) these override charts.
Dow Jones Industrial Average (ASX mainly Follow)
http://tinyurl.com/894vjno
ASX All Ordinaries Index
http://tinyurl.com/7rapph7
BHP (Falling of a cliff)
http://tinyurl.com/7dvt6p7
APPL
http://tinyurl.com/6tauyaw

These are from www.BigCharts.com
My set-up
Parabolic SAR (red)
Above price line (green) sell
Below price line (green) buy
MACD
Zero line Green above is positive
Zero line Green Below is Negative
EMA (signal line) red
MACD line blue above red line positive
Above "zero line" buy confirmed
MACD line blue below red line negative
Below "zero line" sell confirmed
--
Petzl

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"jg" <j...@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:sW4ur.7253$%E2....@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com...

>> If you're buying shares that can do that, it's speculation not investment
>>
>
> If you are buying shares that can't, they won't be much of an investment.
>
>
>>> That's very unlikely with property, meanwhile you collect rent.
>>>
>>
>> except with shares you don't need hundreds of thousands of dollars in
>> participate
>>
>
> If property is not an option because of that, there is little point debating which is
> best.

Most such debate is about the best way to getting other people to give you money.
Much of the capitalist system is actually a debt conduit.
You give them money, you are the capitalists.
You hope they will feel some obligation to give more back and have the capacity to do so.
The people taking it are the much despised borrowers.
Most of the largest 'capitalists' are the greatest borrows.

When people are arguing about investments they usually argue about return and risk but
ingore most of the factors that really matter to them. So they can argue in circles about
minor differences.

The best indivual return on investment would be to go on the dole.
The best capitalist is government, they literally make money can demand you pay them and
can demand you pay them only in the money they sell you. Of course neither of these are in
the investment argument.

[Rod Speed]

Pretzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote

> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>> Gordon Levi <gor...@address.invalid> wrote
>>> felix_unger <m...@nothere.com> wrote

>>>> The return on shares is always greater long term than the
>>>> return on cash investments (bonds, etc.,) and shares are not
>>>> risky if you buy only blue chip and keep them long enough.

>>> Can you provide a definition of "blue chip" that would have guided
>>> me forty years ago into buying _only_ shares that still have value
>>> today.

>> Top say 20 of the ASX etc. And not just one of them either, a decent mix.

> One can always make money through stocks just as one can always lose

Separate matter entirely to what was being discussed there, what is a blue
chip stock.

> http://www.businessspectator.com.au/asxtop20
> The charts tell all before buying and when to sell

Just another silly little fantasys. Charts didn't predict the current slump.

> As the Euro banks are having a run on them one of the casualties
> is our ASX (more shares owned overseas than in Australia)

That last is a bare faced pig ignorant lie.

> learn to read charts

Did that more than half a century ago now thanks.

> they do help

They didn't predict the current slump.

> and not motivated by "talking-up" or "talking-down".

Wrong, as always.

> *If* you can work out what is honest talk (fundamentals)

Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that

you have never had a fucking clue about the basics.

That aint what the fundamentals are and the fundamentals
aint what the current slump is about anyway.

> these override charts.

Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that

you have never had a fucking clue about the basics.

None of the rest of your even sillier repetitive shit
worth bothering with, all flushed where it belongs.

[jg]

Quite right.

[Petzl]

On Mon, 21 May 2012 12:41:01 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Pretzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Gordon Levi <gor...@address.invalid> wrote
>>>> felix_unger <m...@nothere.com> wrote
>
>>>>> The return on shares is always greater long term than the
>>>>> return on cash investments (bonds, etc.,) and shares are not
>>>>> risky if you buy only blue chip and keep them long enough.
>
>>>> Can you provide a definition of "blue chip" that would have guided
>>>> me forty years ago into buying _only_ shares that still have value
>>>> today.
>
>>> Top say 20 of the ASX etc. And not just one of them either, a decent mix.
>
>> One can always make money through stocks just as one can always lose
>
>Separate matter entirely to what was being discussed there, what is a blue
>chip stock.
>
>> http://www.businessspectator.com.au/asxtop20
>> The charts tell all before buying and when to sell
>
>Just another silly little fantasys. Charts didn't predict the current slump.
>
>> As the Euro banks are having a run on them one of the casualties
>> is our ASX (more shares owned overseas than in Australia)
>
>That last is a bare faced pig ignorant lie.
>

BHP are 80% overseas owned as example the majors all are

>> learn to read charts
>
>Did that more than half a century ago now thanks.
>

Now it's automated

>> they do help
>
>They didn't predict the current slump.
>

Yes they did. Your favorites look when they told one to buy/ exit
BHP (Falling of a cliff told to exit $34 -$35 buy in Jan 2012 $34-$35)

http://tinyurl.com/7dvt6p7
APPL
http://tinyurl.com/6tauyaw

--
Petzl
Q: What has Tony Abbott promised Murdoch?
A: A broadband network that will be so slow as to offer no competition to his pay tv interests.

[Rod Speed]

Just another bare faced pig ignorant lie.

> the majors all are

Just another bare faced pig ignorant lie.

It aint even legal with Qantas and Telstra.

>>> learn to read charts

>> Did that more than half a century ago now thanks.

> Now it's automated

Whoopy fucking do.

>>> they do help

>> They didn't predict the current slump.

> Yes they did.

Just another bare faced pig ignorant lie.

> Your favorites look when they told one to buy/ exit BHP
> (Falling of a cliff told to exit $34 -$35 buy in Jan 2012 $34-$35)

That's not predicting the current slump, fool..

> http://tinyurl.com/7dvt6p7
> APPL
> http://tinyurl.com/6tauyaw

That aint PREDICTING the current slump, fool.

That's just DOCUMENTING the current slump, a different matter entirely.

[Petzl]

On Mon, 21 May 2012 15:05:22 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>> As the Euro banks are having a run on them one of the casualties
>>>> is our ASX (more shares owned overseas than in Australia)
>
>>> That last is a bare faced pig ignorant lie.
>
>> BHP are 80% overseas owned as example
>
>Just another bare faced pig ignorant lie.
>

http://www.tai.org.au/?q=node/252
BHP Billiton’s latest annual report shows 40 per cent of its shares
were listed on the London stock exchange. Add in some foreign
investors who own stock listed in Australia and the level of foreign
investment in BHP Billiton is now likely to be well over 50 per cent.
For the other big mining companies the position is worse; Rio is at
least 70 per cent foreign owned while Xtrada shares aren’t even listed
in Australia. A decade ago the ABS estimated the level of foreign
ownership in Australian mining to be around 45 per cent, but that was
well before the takeovers and mergers that have characterised the
mining industry in recent years.

>> the majors all are
>
>Just another bare faced pig ignorant lie.
>
>It aint even legal with Qantas and Telstra.
>

When's that ever stopped say Murdoch (who is a US citizen)

>>>> learn to read charts
>
>>> Did that more than half a century ago now thanks.
>
>> Now it's automated
>
>Whoopy fucking do.
>
>>>> they do help
>
>>> They didn't predict the current slump.
>
>> Yes they did.
>
>Just another bare faced pig ignorant lie.
>

They tell one to sell before particularly the MACD (confirmed below
zero line)

>> Your favorites look when they told one to buy/ exit BHP
>> (Falling of a cliff told to exit $34 -$35 buy in Jan 2012 $34-$35)
>
>That's not predicting the current slump, fool..
>

Telling one to jump ship though in this case one would of only made 50
cents per share fully franked (no tax)

>> http://tinyurl.com/7dvt6p7
>> APPL
>> http://tinyurl.com/6tauyaw
>
>That aint PREDICTING the current slump, fool.
>
>That's just DOCUMENTING the current slump, a different matter entirely.

Telling accurately one to get out before it gets worse is PREDICTING

[Rod Speed]

Pretzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote

> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote

>>>>> As the Euro banks are having a run on them one of the casualties
>>>>> is our ASX (more shares owned overseas than in Australia)

>>>> That last is a bare faced pig ignorant lie.

>>> BHP are 80% overseas owned as example

>>Just another bare faced pig ignorant lie.

> http://www.tai.org.au/?q=node/252
> BHP Billiton's latest annual report shows 40 per cent
> of its shares were listed on the London stock exchange.

Nothing like your mindlessly silly 80% lie.

And it isnt even possible to list stocks on a particular exchange anyway.

> Add in some foreign investors who own stock listed
> in Australia and the level of foreign investment in BHP
> Billiton is now likely to be well over 50 per cent.

That number is straight from your arse and nothing like
your original 80% lie.

> For the other big mining companies the position is worse;

Even someone as stupid as you should have noticed that our mining
stocks are a very small part of the total of even just the blue chips.

> Rio is at least 70 per cent foreign owned

That number is straight from your arse, we can tell from the smell.

And it wasn't originally an australian operation anyway,
so its hardly surprising that its higher than with some others.

> while Xtrada shares aren't even listed in Australia.

Coz it aint an australian operation, fuckwit.

And its Xstrata anyway.

> A decade ago the ABS estimated the level of foreign
> ownership in Australian mining to be around 45 per cent,

Nothing like your original bare faced pig ignorant lie.

> but that was well before the takeovers and mergers that
> have characterised the mining industry in recent years.

Still nothing like your original bare faced pig ignorant lie.

>>> the majors all are

>>Just another bare faced pig ignorant lie.

>> It aint even legal with Qantas and Telstra.

> When's that ever stopped say Murdoch (who is a US citizen)

He owns fuck all of either of them.

And fuck all of any of the rest except News either.

>>>>> learn to read charts

>>>> Did that more than half a century ago now thanks.

>>> Now it's automated

>> Whoopy fucking do.

>>>>> they do help

>>>> They didn't predict the current slump.

>>> Yes they did.

>> Just another bare faced pig ignorant lie.

> They tell one to sell before particularly the MACD (confirmed below zero
> line)

Pity that happen AFTER the slump had happened.

>>> Your favorites look when they told one to buy/ exit BHP
>>> (Falling of a cliff told to exit $34 -$35 buy in Jan 2012 $34-$35)

>> That's not predicting the current slump, fool..

> Telling one to jump ship

They did nothing of the sort in fact until it was too late.

> though in this case one would of only made
> 50 cents per share fully franked (no tax)

Which is sweet fuck all.

>>> http://tinyurl.com/7dvt6p7
>>> APPL
>>> http://tinyurl.com/6tauyaw

>> That aint PREDICTING the current slump, fool.

>> That's just DOCUMENTING the current slump, a different matter entirely.

> Telling accurately one to get out

Didn't do that with this slump.

> before it gets worse

Its no news that the slump has happened, fool.

> is PREDICTING

Wrong, as always.

[terryc]

On 21/05/12 11:48, | || ||| ||||| || | wrote:

> The best indivual return on investment would be to go on the dole.

Obviously you've been there and do that.

[| || ||| ||||| || |]

"terryc" <newsnine...@woa.com.au> wrote in message
news:jpcpdq$g33$1...@dont-email.me...

> On 21/05/12 11:48, | || ||| ||||| || | wrote:
>
>> The best indivual return on investment would be to go on the dole.
>
> Obviously you've been there and do that.
>

Now consider how vulnerable you are to all the other pavlovian stimuli.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digger_wasp#Uses_in_philosophy

[| || ||| ||||| || |]

"jg" <j...@nospam.com> wrote in message

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But then there are limits.
No goverment should be in the business of borrowing.
Bonds are a lien of future taxes.

On the other hand no country should allow its economy to be distorted by the likes of the
mining boom, education boom, tourism. Yet they pervert any long term stability for short
term gain.

The process has become the objective. Anyone remember their objective?
Enough to do ???? Then you can argue about who wants which and if it is enough.

[jg]

Now you are getting carried away. When govt has to build major capital
works, it's not very practical to recommend 'saving up'.

[Rod Speed]

"jg" <j...@nospam.com> wrote in message

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And when the shit has hit the fan, it makes a lot of sense to run a deficit
for a while until you get past the severe recession or full depression too.

[| || ||| ||||| || |]

"jg" <j...@nospam.com> wrote in message

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> On 21/05/2012 4:14 PM, | || ||| ||||| || | wrote:
>> "jg"<j...@nospam.com> wrote in message
>> news:v1iur.7080$v14....@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com...

>> But then there are limits.
>> No goverment should be in the business of borrowing.
>> Bonds are a lien of future taxes.
>>
>> On the other hand no country should allow its economy to be distorted by the likes of
>> the
>> mining boom, education boom, tourism. Yet they pervert any long term stability for
>> short
>> term gain.
>>
>> The process has become the objective. Anyone remember their objective?
>> Enough to do ???? Then you can argue about who wants which and if it is enough.
>>
>>
> Now you are getting carried away. When govt has to build major capital works, it's not
> very practical to recommend 'saving up'.

No, but as I said there are limits.
A government cannot easily convince the taxpayers to pay 1% extra tax this year, yet it
can commit them to NOT decreasing tax next year without anywhere near as much opposition.
It has long been done that way and I do not expect it to change. That does not mean it is
a good thing, just an easy thing.
It is not much different to globalisation and hawking off our minerals.
It puts a lot of reliance on intangibles , on the goodwill of people who have no reason to
put our best interests at heart.
This accumualates until our entire focus is on what other people think. We care far more
about our exchange and trade and international standing and pervert our objectives far
more than any benefits from the actual exchange.

What is/are our national objective/s? Is our objective even to have a nation? And what is
its character?
'More Loot' seems to currently draw the greatest support.

I don't expect it to change, just saying we are fairly thoroughly perverted.

[Trevor]

"jg" <j...@nospam.com> wrote in message

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> Now you are getting carried away. When govt has to build major capital
> works, it's not very practical to recommend 'saving up'.

What capital works, they gave that job to private enterprise decades ago.
Then they ignore the fact that private debt is higher than government debt,
and ongoing costs are higher than if they borrowed the money and did it
themselves! :-(

Trevor.

[jg]

You can contract a job, but you can't contract the bill for it.

[terryc]

On 21/05/12 18:03, | || ||| ||||| || | wrote:
> "terryc"<newsnine...@woa.com.au> wrote in message
> news:jpcpdq$g33$1...@dont-email.me...
>> On 21/05/12 11:48, | || ||| ||||| || | wrote:
>>
>>> The best indivual return on investment would be to go on the dole.
>>
>> Obviously you've been there and do that.
>>
>
> Now consider how vulnerable you are to all the other pavlovian stimuli.

Straw.

[Rod Speed]

Trevor <tre...@home.net> wrote
> jg <j...@nospam.com> wrote

>> Now you are getting carried away. When govt has to build major capital
>> works, it's not very practical to recommend 'saving up'.

> What capital works, they gave that job to private enterprise decades ago.

Not with what matters, paying for it, they didn’t.

> Then they ignore the fact that private debt is higher than government
> debt, and ongoing costs are higher than if they borrowed the money and did
> it themselves! :-(

They did that last, paying for it themselves.

[felix_unger]

Obviously you have no understanding of the stock market. stick to bank
deposits, or property if you can afford it.

>
>
>>> That's very unlikely with property, meanwhile you collect rent.
>>>
>>
>> except with shares you don't need hundreds of thousands of dollars in
>> participate
>>
>
> If property is not an option because of that, there is little point
> debating which is best.
>
>

--
rgds,

Pete
-------
�If Julia is the answer, then what was the stupid question?!�

"Julia finally got something right. Older people don't vote Labor, because they have seen too many incompetent, mismanaging, money-wasting Labor governments"

"If the WORLD as a whole cut ALL emissions tomorrow, the average temperature of the planet's not going to drop for several hundred years, perhaps over on thousand years" - Tim Flannery, Climate Commissioner

�Wayne Swan threatening the Banks, is a bit like being savaged by a dead sheep!�

"The only way right now to restore integrity to our Parliament, to restore the reputation of our polity, is for this sad and sorry Parliament to be dissolved and for there to be an election" - Tony Abbott, Federal Opposition Leader

Give Juliar the boot!.. http://ausnet.info/pics/boot.jpg

[felix_unger]

On 19-May-2012 5:41 PM, Rod Speed wrote:

> felix_unger <m...@nothere.com> wrote
>
>> only a fool would waste their time with your nonsense.
>
> Says some fool that has been doing that for days.

I reply only until to start with your infantile nonsense of senselessly
disputing everything that's said

>
>> goodbye!
>
> Don�t let the door hit you on the arse on the way out, child.

Confucius say.. 'man who go thru swing door backwards is going to Bangkok"

[felix_unger]

On 19-May-2012 4:30 PM, felix_unger wrote:

> On 19-May-2012 1:49 PM, Wolfgang Wildeblood wrote:
>
>> On May 19, 8:37 am, felix_unger<m...@nothere.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Have fun trying to pick the bottom of the market. even the experts
>>> can't
>>> do it. and I never said that the market isn't still falling. you buy
>>> shares when the market is falling and sell when it's rising. that's the
>>> golden rule.
>> I hope for your sake that you're just trolling, and not actually
>> 'investing' anyone's real money.
>>
>
> and why would that be? please give us the benefit of your impeccable
> wisdom..
>

ahh.. no impeccable wisdom. just absolute silence..

[jg]

My point in the first place - property is more fool proof.

'Gilt' shares are called that for a reason, they are safe by comparison.
People already rich have them, perhaps that's why they have an image of
being good investments.

[felix_unger]

no ones disputing that

>
> 'Gilt' shares are called that for a reason, they are safe by
> comparison. People already rich have them, perhaps that's why they
> have an image of being good investments.
>
>

like I said.. you have no understanding of the stock market. anyone can
buy any shares

---

rgds,

Pete
-------

�If Julia is the answer, then what was the stupid question?!�

�Juliar will fine business up to $1.1 million for lies about the carbon tax. What will she pay for her whopper?!

"The only way right now to restore integrity to our Parliament, to
restore the reputation of our polity, is for this sad and sorry
Parliament to be dissolved and for there to be an election" - Tony
Abbott, Federal Opposition Leader

"If the WORLD as a whole cut ALL emissions tomorrow, the average
temperature of the planet's not going to drop for several hundred years,
perhaps over on thousand years" - Tim Flannery, Climate Commissioner

�Wayne Swan threatening the Banks, is a bit like being savaged by a dead sheep!�

Give Juliar the boot!..http://ausnet.info/pics/boot.jpg

[Rod Speed]

felix_unger <m...@nothere.com> wrote

> Rod Speed wrote
>> felix_unger <m...@nothere.com> wrote

>>> only a fool would waste their time with your nonsense.

>> Says some fool that has been doing that for days.

> I reply only until to start with your infantile nonsense of senselessly
> disputing everything that's said

You never ever could bullshit and lie your way out of a wet paper bag.

>>> goodbye!

>> Don�t let the door hit you on the arse on the way out, child.

> Confucius say.. 'man who go thru swing door backwards is going to Bangkok"

You never ever could bullshit and lie your way out of a wet paper bag.

[Rod Speed]

"jg" <j...@nospam.com> wrote in message

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No such animal.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilt-edged_securities

> are called that for a reason, they are safe by comparison.

Nope, because they once were quite literally gilt edged.

> People already rich have them,

Like hell they do.

> perhaps that's why they have an image of being good investments.

Nope. Because they really were safer than the alternatives.

And they arent even shares.

He's right.

[jg]

http://www.investopedia.com/terms/g/gilt-edged-securities.asp#axzz1w2nnAGuB

[jg]

Anyone can buy shares, not everyone profits from them.

[Rod Speed]

jg <j...@nospam.com> wrote

> Rod Speed wrote
>> jg <j...@nospam.com> wrote

>>> felix_unger wrote
>>>> jg wrote
>>>>> felix_unger wrote
>>>>>> jg wrote
>>>>>>> felix_unger wrote
>>>>>>>> terryc wrote
>>>>>>>>> felix_unger wrote
>>>>>>>>>> atec77 wrote

>>>>>>>>>>> Gillard = Rudd in a frock wrote

He's right, for once.

>>> My point in the first place - property is more fool proof.

>>> 'Gilt' shares

>> No such animal.
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilt-edged_securities

>>> are called that for a reason, they are safe by comparison.

>> Nope, because they once were quite literally gilt edged.

> http://www.investopedia.com/terms/g/gilt-edged-securities.asp#axzz1w2nnAGuB

Doesn�t say anything about SHARES, you fucked up completely.