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New ABC chairman appointed ... so much for ABC independence
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ralph
Mar 9, 2012, 11:17:01 PM3/9/12
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On Sat, 3 Mar 2012 11:50:31 +1100, "D Martin" <nor...@bigpond.net.au>
wrote:
>
>"ralph" <rste...@geocities.com> wrote in message
>news:bgm2l7hski4nkc4le...@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 3 Mar 2012 10:27:48 +1100, "D Martin" <nor...@bigpond.net.au>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"ralph" <rste...@geocities.com> wrote in message
>>>news:jcc2l7d0ij907feop...@4ax.com...
>>>> On Fri, 2 Mar 2012 19:03:35 +1100, "D Martin" <nor...@bigpond.net.au>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>The garbage right wing propaganda radio station MTR has died in
>>>>>Melbourne
>>>>>due to no interest from the radio listening public or advertisers. It
>>>>>seems
>>>>>Andrew Bolt and Steve Price were just broadcasting into thin air. Awww
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.theage.com.au/business/no-worries-as-mtr-goes-off-the-air-20120302-1u7ji.html
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Economics 101.
>>>>
>>>> This is what happens when your business is not commercially viable ...
>>>> you go out of business.
>>>>
>>>> By contrast the garbage left wing propaganda ABC keeps going on both
>>>> radio and TV, despite no interest from the listening (or viewing)
>>>> public, thanks solely to taxpayer funding. Time to make the ABC stand
>>>> on its own and we'll see just how much the Australian public actually
>>>> values its content.
>>>
>>>Oh, yes, the ABC. The right just loves to rubbish the ABC. Constantly
>>>accusing it of bias. The truth is, this criticism is only due to the fact
>>>the ABC isnt broadcasting their right wing propaganda- rather than being
>>>left wing biased. Which it isnt.
>>>
>>>Your claim of 'garbage left wing propaganda' from the ABC' is a baseless
>>>myth you fabricated or mindlessly repeated. Remember Richard Alstons
>>>attack
>>>on the ABC? Alton attacked the ABC, accusing it of left wing bias during
>>>the
>>>Iraq war. Alston produced a dossier of 43 complaints, all of which were
>>>investigated. And guess what? They were found to be baseless, nothing more
>>>than a twisted rant.
>>>
>>>Where is your evidence systematic of left wing bias from the ABC? There
>>>isnt
>>>any. And I give you a counter. 'The Insiders' would be one of the most
>>>political programs on TV. Yet the ABC routinely gives a right wing
>>>commentator a spot on the panel. Andrew Bolt and even Piers Akerman have
>>>been seen many times (not sure why, Akerman is a senile old fool). If the
>>>ABC was left wing biased, The Insiders would be the perfect vehicle for
>>>it.
>>>But it just aint so.
>>>
>>>The right may wish to silence an independant media outlet, operating
>>>without
>>>pressure from commercial interests, but thats their problem.
>>>
>>
>> The ABC is certainly NOT independant ... it's run by bureaucrats
>> appointed by the government.
>
>The ABC is independant. Of course its run by someone, but its run
>independant of outside influence.
>
I hate to say "I told you so" but ...
http://www.mediaspy.org/report/2012/03/09/james-spigelman-appointed-abc-chairman/
"The appointment was made under the Government's merit-based
appointment process for the ABC and SBS boards, which was designed "to
remove political interference and to promote independence". Spigelman
was selected from the panel's shortlist of candidates in consultation
with the Prime Minister."
One small problem ... Mr. Spigelman is a former adviser to Gough
Whitlam, and was appointed NSW Chief Justice by the Carr government.
Promoting independence? Just more lies from a government that has
mastered the art of being dishonest with voters.
Notwithstanding Tony Abbott's public endorsement, the fact is
Spigelman has a long and close history with Labor governments and on
that basis alone should not have been selected.
wrote:
>
>"ralph" <rste...@geocities.com> wrote in message
>news:bgm2l7hski4nkc4le...@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 3 Mar 2012 10:27:48 +1100, "D Martin" <nor...@bigpond.net.au>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"ralph" <rste...@geocities.com> wrote in message
>>>news:jcc2l7d0ij907feop...@4ax.com...
>>>> On Fri, 2 Mar 2012 19:03:35 +1100, "D Martin" <nor...@bigpond.net.au>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>The garbage right wing propaganda radio station MTR has died in
>>>>>Melbourne
>>>>>due to no interest from the radio listening public or advertisers. It
>>>>>seems
>>>>>Andrew Bolt and Steve Price were just broadcasting into thin air. Awww
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.theage.com.au/business/no-worries-as-mtr-goes-off-the-air-20120302-1u7ji.html
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Economics 101.
>>>>
>>>> This is what happens when your business is not commercially viable ...
>>>> you go out of business.
>>>>
>>>> By contrast the garbage left wing propaganda ABC keeps going on both
>>>> radio and TV, despite no interest from the listening (or viewing)
>>>> public, thanks solely to taxpayer funding. Time to make the ABC stand
>>>> on its own and we'll see just how much the Australian public actually
>>>> values its content.
>>>
>>>Oh, yes, the ABC. The right just loves to rubbish the ABC. Constantly
>>>accusing it of bias. The truth is, this criticism is only due to the fact
>>>the ABC isnt broadcasting their right wing propaganda- rather than being
>>>left wing biased. Which it isnt.
>>>
>>>Your claim of 'garbage left wing propaganda' from the ABC' is a baseless
>>>myth you fabricated or mindlessly repeated. Remember Richard Alstons
>>>attack
>>>on the ABC? Alton attacked the ABC, accusing it of left wing bias during
>>>the
>>>Iraq war. Alston produced a dossier of 43 complaints, all of which were
>>>investigated. And guess what? They were found to be baseless, nothing more
>>>than a twisted rant.
>>>
>>>Where is your evidence systematic of left wing bias from the ABC? There
>>>isnt
>>>any. And I give you a counter. 'The Insiders' would be one of the most
>>>political programs on TV. Yet the ABC routinely gives a right wing
>>>commentator a spot on the panel. Andrew Bolt and even Piers Akerman have
>>>been seen many times (not sure why, Akerman is a senile old fool). If the
>>>ABC was left wing biased, The Insiders would be the perfect vehicle for
>>>it.
>>>But it just aint so.
>>>
>>>The right may wish to silence an independant media outlet, operating
>>>without
>>>pressure from commercial interests, but thats their problem.
>>>
>>
>> The ABC is certainly NOT independant ... it's run by bureaucrats
>> appointed by the government.
>
>The ABC is independant. Of course its run by someone, but its run
>independant of outside influence.
>
I hate to say "I told you so" but ...
http://www.mediaspy.org/report/2012/03/09/james-spigelman-appointed-abc-chairman/
"The appointment was made under the Government's merit-based
appointment process for the ABC and SBS boards, which was designed "to
remove political interference and to promote independence". Spigelman
was selected from the panel's shortlist of candidates in consultation
with the Prime Minister."
One small problem ... Mr. Spigelman is a former adviser to Gough
Whitlam, and was appointed NSW Chief Justice by the Carr government.
Promoting independence? Just more lies from a government that has
mastered the art of being dishonest with voters.
Notwithstanding Tony Abbott's public endorsement, the fact is
Spigelman has a long and close history with Labor governments and on
that basis alone should not have been selected.
Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax
Mar 10, 2012, 12:48:06 AM3/10/12
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Same shit, different stooge.
--
"If we cut emissions today, global temperatures are not likely to drop
for about a thousand years. "
-- Tim (it ain't a gonna rain no more) Flannery
- Australian Climate Commissar
Clocky
Mar 10, 2012, 7:04:13 AM3/10/12
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monopolists, one independant selection that has had some minor dealings with
the Labor party is a stooge?
What a bunch of hypocritical deadheads you Abbott/Lieberal fuckwits are.
Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax
Mar 10, 2012, 7:47:03 AM3/10/12
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Kevin Russell
Mar 10, 2012, 3:54:36 PM3/10/12
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Like the independence they had Donald Macdonald was in charge. Or Choo choo Hill. Or Leonie Kramer (for christ's sake) If Parliament won't exercise effective oversight then you cannot blame the Government for their appointments.
Clocky
Mar 10, 2012, 4:26:19 PM3/10/12
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your not familiar with. You want our ABC to be your propaganda machine, just
as the Murdoch/Fairfax monopolists are, that is the problem because you are
scared that a balanced view will educate voters.
The crap you watch and listen to is by fuckwits for fuckwits.
No thanks.
Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax
Mar 10, 2012, 10:03:44 PM3/10/12
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be surprised to know that I think it's been on the improve since the
Gillied era, although that would be in large part due to the fact that
if they didn't cover the Labor screw-ups, there would be no content. But
there still remains that imbalance of (a few) rampant leftard journos
without any right wing counterparts. Australian tax payers deserve better.
Clocky
Mar 11, 2012, 7:18:47 PM3/11/12
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"Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax" <gillar...@promises.are.invalid> wrote in
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you are incredibly biased towards the extreme right (idiotic) viewpoint and
consider anything that doesn't fit in with your extreme world view as
leftist.
Duggy
Mar 11, 2012, 9:04:21 PM3/11/12
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On Mar 10, 2:17 pm, ralph <rstead...@geocities.com> wrote:
> One small problem
Two?
> ... Mr. Spigelman is a former adviser to Gough
> Whitlam,
Being an adviser does not prove political affiliation, plus that was
40 years ago.
> and was appointed NSW Chief Justice by the Carr government.
Being appointed Chief Justice does not prove political affiliation.
> Notwithstanding Tony Abbott's public endorsement,
Dirty leftist that he is.
> the fact is
> Spigelman has a long and close history with Labor governments and on
> that basis alone should not have been selected.
Two points of contact in 40 years?
===
= DUG.
===
> One small problem
Two?
> ... Mr. Spigelman is a former adviser to Gough
> Whitlam,
40 years ago.
> and was appointed NSW Chief Justice by the Carr government.
> Notwithstanding Tony Abbott's public endorsement,
> the fact is
> Spigelman has a long and close history with Labor governments and on
> that basis alone should not have been selected.
===
= DUG.
===
Duggy
Mar 11, 2012, 9:06:38 PM3/11/12
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On Mar 11, 1:03 pm, Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax
===
= DUG.
===
<gillard_l...@promises.are.invalid> wrote:
> I *watch* the ABC and that's how I know its lack of balance.
Independent organisations with expertise in tracking bias disagree.
> I *watch* the ABC and that's how I know its lack of balance.
===
= DUG.
===
Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax
Mar 11, 2012, 10:00:20 PM3/11/12
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thankfully none exists. The commercial stations are all too lightweight
to carry anything of in-depth political value, preferring to stage
mindless garbage like "Will someone marry my trailer trash" or "Biggest
loser Junkie". You confuse "commercial" with right-wing politics, which
is a common leftard inadequacy in mental capability. All I want is
balance in the tax-payer funded service *I* pay for.
dechucka
Mar 12, 2012, 12:45:13 AM3/12/12
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"Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax" <gillar...@promises.are.invalid> wrote in
This is an inane thread all political parties try to politicize the ABC
board
Brad
Mar 12, 2012, 1:53:22 AM3/12/12
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ABC Radio is similar. It is interesting to listen to Richard Glover doing a political interview.(Drive, 702 Sydney)He will read out the TXT messages afterwards and is often quite annoyed at the one-eyed comments, usually 50% of the TXT's accuse him of being Right Biased, and 50% accuse him of being Left Biased.
ralph
Mar 12, 2012, 6:17:22 AM3/12/12
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On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 15:45:13 +1100, "dechucka" <dech...@hotmail.com>
Ahh yes ... the precious "reviews" that "prove" the ABC is balanced
and independent.
Given these reviews were so accurate apparently, I would love to read
any "reviews" proving commercial networks are somehow "right wing" or
beholden to commercial interests, which so many of the pro-ABC crowd
incessantly seem to argue as a reason why taxpayer money needs to go
towards the so-called "balanced" ABC.
>This is an inane thread all political parties try to politicize the ABC
>board
Labor has succeeded with Spigelman.
and independent.
Given these reviews were so accurate apparently, I would love to read
any "reviews" proving commercial networks are somehow "right wing" or
beholden to commercial interests, which so many of the pro-ABC crowd
incessantly seem to argue as a reason why taxpayer money needs to go
towards the so-called "balanced" ABC.
>This is an inane thread all political parties try to politicize the ABC
>board
ralph
Mar 12, 2012, 6:22:08 AM3/12/12
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Did they do that tracking for free? If not, it's absolutely
meaningless.
If you know the client paying you wants to hear the ABC has no bias,
rest assured you will have no trouble to find an "independent
organisation" who can "prove" that for you ;-)
>===
>= DUG.
>===
Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax
Mar 12, 2012, 8:12:35 AM3/12/12
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reviews" that the Vic ALP had, until they found the one which gave the
required result, beggars belief.
dechucka
Mar 12, 2012, 4:13:15 PM3/12/12
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"Brad" <goo...@vk2qq.com> wrote in message
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seems to me the ABC remains unbias despite the board appointments
dechucka
Mar 12, 2012, 4:16:54 PM3/12/12
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The joy of not being publicly funded they don't have to undergo the scrutiny
of the ABC
of the ABC
dechucka
Mar 12, 2012, 4:17:26 PM3/12/12
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Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax
Mar 12, 2012, 7:04:26 PM3/12/12
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dechucka
Mar 12, 2012, 7:26:53 PM3/12/12
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atec77
Mar 12, 2012, 7:32:42 PM3/12/12
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On 13/03/2012 9:04 AM, Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax wrote:
> On 13/03/2012 7:17 AM, dechucka wrote:
>>
>>
>> Cites please
> On 13/03/2012 7:17 AM, dechucka wrote:
>>
>>
>
> Google dickhead.
>
how would googling "dickhead" be of help ?
perhaps using the attrib "you dickhead" might be in order ?
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Ördög
Mar 12, 2012, 7:53:13 PM3/12/12
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On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 10:04:26 +1100, Oy Rool Johnny Little Sockpuppet out
of all sane discussions:
> On 13/03/2012 7:17 AM, dechucka wrote:
>> "Oy Rool Johnny out due to insanity" <abbot...@promises.are.invalid>
Well, Johnny I did Google a little and in 5 seconds I've come up with
this:
"Table 1: Media Slant Using Public Intellectuals (Main Estimate)
Larger numbers denote a more pro-Coalition outlet (0.47 denotes equality)
Outlets are ranked in ascending order of slant
Estimate//Standard Error//Total mentions(SE)of public intellectuals
Australian Financial Review
0.436//0.027//1700
Canberra Times
0.461//0.014//4916
Sydney Morning Herald
0.462//0.011//16175
The West Australian
0.462//0.018//2352
Herald Sun
0.466//0.015//5073
The Age
0.466//0.012//10499
The Advertiser
0.468//0.017//4485
ABC Radio National
0.47//0.021//1410
Daily Telegraph
0.477//0.015//5597
Sydney ABC 702
0.478//0.02//2249
SBS
0.48//0.035//250
The Australian
0.485//0.01//16934
ABC 891 Adelaide
0.486//0.026//590
Sydney 2UE
0.486//0.029//387
Perth ABC 720
0.489//0.026//483
C
hannel 10
0.49//0.029//275
The Courier Mail
0.493//0.013//6359
Melbourne ABC 774
0.499//0.024//972
Sydney 2GB
0.501//0.032//402
Brisbane ABC 612
0.504//0.026//489
Melbourne 3AW
0.509//0.036//234
ABC Channel 2
0.511**//0.021//940
Adelaide 5AA
0.513//0.038//257
Channel 9
0.516//0.03//423
Perth 6PR
0.516//0.034//251
Channel 7
0.519//0.033//269
Brisbane 4BC
0.524//0.045//142
Mean
0.482//0.021//3129
Note: ** denotes that the outlet‟s estimate is significantly different
from 0.47, at the 5 percent significance level."
----
But there is more:
"Table 4: Comparing producer and consumer ideology
[Larger numbers
denote a more
pro-Coalition
outlet (0.47
denotes equality)]
1. Slant estimate by medium
2. Standard error
3. Share who Followed election via this media
4. Share who Voted for the Coalition
Newspaper
1/ 0.471 2/ 0.004 3/ 0.150 4/ 0.498
Radio
1/ 0.492 2/ 0.008 3/ 0.130 4/ 0.442
TV
1/ 0.505 2/ 0.012 3/ 0.263 4/ 0.534
Mean
1/ 0.483 2/ 0.007 3/ ----- 4/0.549
Note: Columns 3 and 4 are derived from the 2004 Australian Election
Study. Column 3 is those who say that
they used the media „a great deal‟ to follow election 2004 (categories
are not mutually exclusive). Vote is the
House of Representatives vote, accounting for preferences. Mean includes
respondents who did not use the
media a great deal to follow the election.
-----------------------
Source:
How Partisan is the Press?
Multiple Measures of Media Slant*
by
Joshua S. Gans
Melbourne Business School
University of Melbourne
www.mbs.edu/jgans
J.G...@unimelb.edu.au
Andrew Leigh
Economics Program
Research School of Social Sciences
Australian National University
http://econrsss.anu.edu.au/~aleigh/
andrew...@anu.edu.au
"andrewleigh.org/pdf/MediaSlant.pdf"
--------
Leftwing bias in the media?...my foot!
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Ördög
(A Hungarian Devil in service of aus.politics and Usenet)
Either the neocons go or civilisation does!
of all sane discussions:
> On 13/03/2012 7:17 AM, dechucka wrote:
this:
"Table 1: Media Slant Using Public Intellectuals (Main Estimate)
Larger numbers denote a more pro-Coalition outlet (0.47 denotes equality)
Outlets are ranked in ascending order of slant
Estimate//Standard Error//Total mentions(SE)of public intellectuals
Australian Financial Review
0.436//0.027//1700
Canberra Times
0.461//0.014//4916
Sydney Morning Herald
0.462//0.011//16175
The West Australian
0.462//0.018//2352
Herald Sun
0.466//0.015//5073
The Age
0.466//0.012//10499
The Advertiser
0.468//0.017//4485
ABC Radio National
0.47//0.021//1410
Daily Telegraph
0.477//0.015//5597
Sydney ABC 702
0.478//0.02//2249
SBS
0.48//0.035//250
The Australian
0.485//0.01//16934
ABC 891 Adelaide
0.486//0.026//590
Sydney 2UE
0.486//0.029//387
Perth ABC 720
0.489//0.026//483
C
hannel 10
0.49//0.029//275
The Courier Mail
0.493//0.013//6359
Melbourne ABC 774
0.499//0.024//972
Sydney 2GB
0.501//0.032//402
Brisbane ABC 612
0.504//0.026//489
Melbourne 3AW
0.509//0.036//234
ABC Channel 2
0.511**//0.021//940
Adelaide 5AA
0.513//0.038//257
Channel 9
0.516//0.03//423
Perth 6PR
0.516//0.034//251
Channel 7
0.519//0.033//269
Brisbane 4BC
0.524//0.045//142
Mean
0.482//0.021//3129
Note: ** denotes that the outlet‟s estimate is significantly different
from 0.47, at the 5 percent significance level."
----
But there is more:
"Table 4: Comparing producer and consumer ideology
[Larger numbers
denote a more
pro-Coalition
outlet (0.47
denotes equality)]
1. Slant estimate by medium
2. Standard error
3. Share who Followed election via this media
4. Share who Voted for the Coalition
Newspaper
1/ 0.471 2/ 0.004 3/ 0.150 4/ 0.498
Radio
1/ 0.492 2/ 0.008 3/ 0.130 4/ 0.442
TV
1/ 0.505 2/ 0.012 3/ 0.263 4/ 0.534
Mean
1/ 0.483 2/ 0.007 3/ ----- 4/0.549
Note: Columns 3 and 4 are derived from the 2004 Australian Election
Study. Column 3 is those who say that
they used the media „a great deal‟ to follow election 2004 (categories
are not mutually exclusive). Vote is the
House of Representatives vote, accounting for preferences. Mean includes
respondents who did not use the
media a great deal to follow the election.
-----------------------
Source:
How Partisan is the Press?
Multiple Measures of Media Slant*
by
Joshua S. Gans
Melbourne Business School
University of Melbourne
www.mbs.edu/jgans
J.G...@unimelb.edu.au
Andrew Leigh
Economics Program
Research School of Social Sciences
Australian National University
http://econrsss.anu.edu.au/~aleigh/
andrew...@anu.edu.au
"andrewleigh.org/pdf/MediaSlant.pdf"
--------
Leftwing bias in the media?...my foot!
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(A Hungarian Devil in service of aus.politics and Usenet)
Either the neocons go or civilisation does!
Ördög
Mar 12, 2012, 7:53:14 PM3/12/12
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On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 10:04:26 +1100, Oy Rool Johnny Little Sockpuppet out
of all sane discussions:
of all sane discussions:
> On 13/03/2012 7:17 AM, dechucka wrote:
>> "Oy Rool Johnny out due to insanity" <abbot...@promises.are.invalid>
Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax
Mar 12, 2012, 8:13:33 PM3/12/12
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Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax
Mar 12, 2012, 8:49:11 PM3/12/12
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On 13/03/2012 10:32 AM, atec77 wrote:
> On 13/03/2012 9:04 AM, Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax wrote:
>> On 13/03/2012 7:17 AM, dechucka wrote:
>>>
>
>>>
>>> Cites please
>>
>> Google dickhead.
>>
> how would googling "dickhead" be of help ?
>
>
> perhaps using the attrib "you dickhead" might be in order ?
Nice. You beat dechucka to it, with his pre-empted show of selective
> On 13/03/2012 9:04 AM, Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax wrote:
>> On 13/03/2012 7:17 AM, dechucka wrote:
>>>
>
>>>
>>> Cites please
>>
>> Google dickhead.
>>
> how would googling "dickhead" be of help ?
>
>
> perhaps using the attrib "you dickhead" might be in order ?
pedantry.
dechucka
Mar 12, 2012, 10:14:37 PM3/12/12
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"Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax" <gillar...@promises.are.invalid> wrote in
Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax
Mar 13, 2012, 12:51:08 AM3/13/12
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Disprove it or your rebuttal remains unsubstantiated. Do some homework
of your own for a change, and stop expecting tax payers to provide
everything for you, while you bludge away online.
Trevor
Mar 13, 2012, 2:36:00 AM3/13/12
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have been selected either. Did you complain then too?
Trevor.
> Notwithstanding Tony Abbott's public endorsement, the fact is
> Spigelman has a long and close history with Labor governments and on
> that basis alone should not have been selected.
And the previous ones with close association to the Liberal party should not
> Spigelman has a long and close history with Labor governments and on
> that basis alone should not have been selected.
have been selected either. Did you complain then too?
Trevor.
Trevor
Mar 13, 2012, 2:38:13 AM3/13/12
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"Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax" <gillar...@promises.are.invalid> wrote in
> My taxes *pay* for a Labor propaganda outlet. Unacceptable!
Check out how much tax you paid to the right wing private media over the
last couple of years. As much as the ABC, and by a Labor government whats
more! :-(
Trevor.
B J Foster
Mar 13, 2012, 2:53:29 AM3/13/12
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Trevor
Mar 13, 2012, 2:57:45 AM3/13/12
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>> Check out how much tax you paid to the right wing private media over the
>> last couple of years. As much as the ABC, and by a Labor government whats
>> more! :-(
>
>> last couple of years. As much as the ABC, and by a Labor government whats
>> more! :-(
>
> WTF are you hallucinating about?
Just because you are uninformed doesn't mean the taxpayer subsidies didn't
happen. Check the budget papers for a start.
Trevor.
Clocky
Mar 13, 2012, 5:02:48 AM3/13/12
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So where are those cites again?
Oh wait, just another one of your lies, right...
Clocky
Mar 13, 2012, 5:03:47 AM3/13/12
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Clocky
Mar 13, 2012, 5:12:44 AM3/13/12
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> from 0.47, at the 5 percent significance level."
>
> ----
> But there is more:
>
> "Table 4: Comparing producer and consumer ideology
>
> [Larger numbers
> denote a more
> pro-Coalition
> outlet (0.47
> denotes equality)]
>
> 1. Slant estimate by medium
> 2. Standard error
> 3. Share who Followed election via this media
> 4. Share who Voted for the Coalition
>
> Newspaper
> 1/ 0.471 2/ 0.004 3/ 0.150 4/ 0.498
> Radio
> 1/ 0.492 2/ 0.008 3/ 0.130 4/ 0.442
>
> TV
> 1/ 0.505 2/ 0.012 3/ 0.263 4/ 0.534
>
> Mean
> 1/ 0.483 2/ 0.007 3/ ----- 4/0.549
>
> Note: Columns 3 and 4 are derived from the 2004 Australian Election
> Study. Column 3 is those who say that
> they used the media "a great deal? to follow election 2004 (categories
>
> ----
> But there is more:
>
> "Table 4: Comparing producer and consumer ideology
>
> [Larger numbers
> denote a more
> pro-Coalition
> outlet (0.47
> denotes equality)]
>
> 1. Slant estimate by medium
> 2. Standard error
> 3. Share who Followed election via this media
> 4. Share who Voted for the Coalition
>
> Newspaper
> 1/ 0.471 2/ 0.004 3/ 0.150 4/ 0.498
> Radio
> 1/ 0.492 2/ 0.008 3/ 0.130 4/ 0.442
>
> TV
> 1/ 0.505 2/ 0.012 3/ 0.263 4/ 0.534
>
> Mean
> 1/ 0.483 2/ 0.007 3/ ----- 4/0.549
>
> Note: Columns 3 and 4 are derived from the 2004 Australian Election
> Study. Column 3 is those who say that
> are not mutually exclusive). Vote is the
> House of Representatives vote, accounting for preferences. Mean
> includes respondents who did not use the
> media a great deal to follow the election.
>
> -----------------------
>
> Source:
> How Partisan is the Press?
> Multiple Measures of Media Slant*
> by
> Joshua S. Gans
> Melbourne Business School
> University of Melbourne
> www.mbs.edu/jgans
> J.G...@unimelb.edu.au
> Andrew Leigh
> Economics Program
> Research School of Social Sciences
> Australian National University
> http://econrsss.anu.edu.au/~aleigh/
> andrew...@anu.edu.au
>
> "andrewleigh.org/pdf/MediaSlant.pdf"
> --------
>
> Leftwing bias in the media?...my foot!
Why would Coalition supporters have a use for facts when lies will do?
> House of Representatives vote, accounting for preferences. Mean
> includes respondents who did not use the
> media a great deal to follow the election.
>
> -----------------------
>
> Source:
> How Partisan is the Press?
> Multiple Measures of Media Slant*
> by
> Joshua S. Gans
> Melbourne Business School
> University of Melbourne
> www.mbs.edu/jgans
> J.G...@unimelb.edu.au
> Andrew Leigh
> Economics Program
> Research School of Social Sciences
> Australian National University
> http://econrsss.anu.edu.au/~aleigh/
> andrew...@anu.edu.au
>
> "andrewleigh.org/pdf/MediaSlant.pdf"
> --------
>
> Leftwing bias in the media?...my foot!
B J Foster
Mar 13, 2012, 5:17:32 AM3/13/12
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dechucka
Mar 13, 2012, 5:30:50 AM3/13/12
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"Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax" <gillar...@promises.are.invalid> wrote in
snip
Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax
Mar 13, 2012, 7:49:31 AM3/13/12
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was made 9½ hours ago.
> So where are those cites again?
>
> Oh wait, just another one of your lies, right...
parasite, bludging on the work of others. Learn how to Google and use it.
Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax
Mar 13, 2012, 7:50:15 AM3/13/12
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Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax
Mar 13, 2012, 7:51:39 AM3/13/12
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Gordon Levi
Mar 13, 2012, 9:02:10 AM3/13/12
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they believe does not exist and that you are unable, or unwilling, to
find?
Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax
Mar 13, 2012, 9:20:45 AM3/13/12
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On 14/03/2012 12:02 AM, Gordon Levi wrote:
Unwilling. I'm sick of doing their homework for them. It might be
character-building for them to get their leftard arses off the couch and
do some work for themselves.
character-building for them to get their leftard arses off the couch and
do some work for themselves.
dechucka
Mar 13, 2012, 3:42:12 PM3/13/12
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snip
>>> Maybe, but it's fact.
>>
>> really? Cite please
>>
>> snip
>
> Google is your friend. ;-)
That is not how it works in "logic" world. If you make the statement you
back it up or people rightly suggest you are a BS artist on that matter
>>> Maybe, but it's fact.
>>
>> really? Cite please
>>
>> snip
>
> Google is your friend. ;-)
back it up or people rightly suggest you are a BS artist on that matter
dechucka
Mar 13, 2012, 3:45:37 PM3/13/12
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snip
>> IOW, no cite coming because you made it up.
>>
>>
> Look for it yourself you lazy little leftard parasite.
how's your straight mardi gras plans coming along or are you still sitting
on your bludging arse sucking off the teat of this great land waiting for
someone else to do it for you?
>> IOW, no cite coming because you made it up.
>>
>>
> Look for it yourself you lazy little leftard parasite.
on your bludging arse sucking off the teat of this great land waiting for
someone else to do it for you?
Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax
Mar 13, 2012, 5:33:03 PM3/13/12
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get off their bludging arses and do some homework of their own for a
change. And BTW, that's nothing to do with logic. It's a lazy leftard
made up rule.
Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax
Mar 13, 2012, 5:36:33 PM3/13/12
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real leftards will "GetUp" and organize anything for me. Looks like I'll
just have to revert to innovative thought, hard work and generating
wealth for this once great land.
Clocky
Mar 13, 2012, 6:27:16 PM3/13/12
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Either you cite some references or you're lying, which is it?
dechucka
Mar 13, 2012, 7:35:35 PM3/13/12
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"Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax" <gillar...@promises.are.invalid> wrote in
> On 14/03/2012 6:45 AM, dechucka wrote:
>> snip
>>
>>
>>>> IOW, no cite coming because you made it up.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Look for it yourself you lazy little leftard parasite.
>>
>> how's your straight mardi gras plans coming along or are you still
>> sitting on your bludging arse sucking off the teat of this great land
>> waiting for someone else to do it for you?
>
> I've given up on trying out the role of leftard. None of the bludging real
> leftards will "GetUp" and organize anything for me.
So stop sitting on your bludging arse sucking off the teat of this great
>> snip
>>
>>
>>>> IOW, no cite coming because you made it up.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Look for it yourself you lazy little leftard parasite.
>>
>> how's your straight mardi gras plans coming along or are you still
>> sitting on your bludging arse sucking off the teat of this great land
>> waiting for someone else to do it for you?
>
> I've given up on trying out the role of leftard. None of the bludging real
> leftards will "GetUp" and organize anything for me.
land waiting for someone else to do it for you.
dechucka
Mar 13, 2012, 7:36:37 PM3/13/12
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"Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax" <gillar...@promises.are.invalid> wrote in
> On 14/03/2012 6:42 AM, dechucka wrote:
>> snip
>>
>>>>> Maybe, but it's fact.
>>>>
>>>> really? Cite please
>>>>
>>>> snip
>>>
>>> Google is your friend. ;-)
>>
>> That is not how it works in "logic" world. If you make the statement you
>> back it up or people rightly suggest you are a BS artist on that matter
>
> They can "suggest" all they like. To prove it, all they have to do is get
> off their bludging arses and do some homework of their own for a change.
> And BTW, that's nothing to do with logic. It's a lazy leftard made up
> rule.
you can't back up your statement?
>> snip
>>
>>>>> Maybe, but it's fact.
>>>>
>>>> really? Cite please
>>>>
>>>> snip
>>>
>>> Google is your friend. ;-)
>>
>> That is not how it works in "logic" world. If you make the statement you
>> back it up or people rightly suggest you are a BS artist on that matter
>
> They can "suggest" all they like. To prove it, all they have to do is get
> off their bludging arses and do some homework of their own for a change.
> And BTW, that's nothing to do with logic. It's a lazy leftard made up
> rule.
U R a BS artist on this matter
Trevor
Mar 13, 2012, 7:58:03 PM3/13/12
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"Clocky" <not...@happen.com> wrote in message
news:4f5fc9be$0$1625$c3e8da3$7649...@news.astraweb.com...
fail to do someone else's unpaid research is equally stupid. All you can say
is he has failed to prove his point as usual, not that he is necessarily a
liar (even if it is often the case :-) You are equally guilty of not
providing a cite that he is actually lying.
Not that I want to stick up for his ignorance, just the stupidity of people
continually demanding cites they never provide themselves, and pretending
that is somehow evidence of lying, rather than simply refusing to do unpaid
research!
Trevor.
Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax
Mar 13, 2012, 8:58:03 PM3/13/12
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dechucka
Mar 13, 2012, 10:44:34 PM3/13/12
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"Trevor" <tre...@home.net> wrote in message
news:jjomtv$c1g$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
to post "Cite please"
dechucka
Mar 13, 2012, 10:45:52 PM3/13/12
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snip
Oy build a bridge get over it you made statements that you couldn't
substantiate AGAIN
Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax
Mar 14, 2012, 1:14:09 AM3/14/12
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I'm back to DIY capitalism, generating wealth for Australia, which the
leftard socialist parasites will regrettably be leeching off.
Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax
Mar 14, 2012, 1:15:16 AM3/14/12
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> U R a BS artist on this matter
Trevor
Mar 14, 2012, 2:02:39 AM3/14/12
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"Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax" <gillar...@promises.are.invalid> wrote in
> On 14/03/2012 10:36 AM, dechucka wrote:
>> you can't back up your statement?
> I can't be bothered.
>
>> U R a BS artist on this matter
> Prove it.
Right, not proven, but you promise to never request anyone else "cite" or
>> you can't back up your statement?
> I can't be bothered.
>
>> U R a BS artist on this matter
> Prove it.
"prove it" when they can't be bothered I hope.
(watch out for those flying pigs :-)
Trevor.
Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax
Mar 14, 2012, 2:50:03 AM3/14/12
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be character-building for them to get their leftard arses off the couch
and do some work for themselves.
The leftard socialists need to do some bloody work for themselves. The
and do some work for themselves.
bludging parasites wouldn't even GetUp! and organize an equal rights
straight mardi gras for a potential new recruit.
Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax
Mar 14, 2012, 3:48:24 AM3/14/12
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would mean doing some work on their part.
Clocky
Mar 14, 2012, 4:55:28 AM3/14/12
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Trevor wrote:
> "Clocky" <not...@happen.com> wrote in message
> news:4f5fc9be$0$1625$c3e8da3$7649...@news.astraweb.com...
>> Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax wrote:
>>> Unwilling. I'm sick of doing their homework for them. It might be
>>> character-building for them to get their leftard arses off the couch
>>> and do some work for themselves.
>>
>> Painted into a corner, you try to escape with that nonsense?
>> Either you cite some references or you're lying, which is it?
>
> While he might be ignorant, claiming someone is a liar simply because
> they fail to do someone else's unpaid research is equally stupid.
Oy does it all the time, as well as ask for cites... so his own medicine!
> "Clocky" <not...@happen.com> wrote in message
> news:4f5fc9be$0$1625$c3e8da3$7649...@news.astraweb.com...
>> Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax wrote:
>>> Unwilling. I'm sick of doing their homework for them. It might be
>>> character-building for them to get their leftard arses off the couch
>>> and do some work for themselves.
>>
>> Painted into a corner, you try to escape with that nonsense?
>> Either you cite some references or you're lying, which is it?
>
> While he might be ignorant, claiming someone is a liar simply because
> they fail to do someone else's unpaid research is equally stupid.
Clocky
Mar 14, 2012, 4:56:49 AM3/14/12
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Since you won't, it's safe to assume that you are full of shit.
Clocky
Mar 14, 2012, 4:59:32 AM3/14/12
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Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax wrote:
> On 14/03/2012 1:45 PM, dechucka wrote:
>>
>> snip
>>
>> Oy build a bridge get over it you made statements that you couldn't
>> substantiate AGAIN
>
> Unwilling to do so. I'm sick of doing their homework for them. It
> might be character-building for them to get their leftard arses off
> the couch and do some work for themselves.
>
> The leftard socialists need to do some bloody work for themselves. The
> bludging parasites wouldn't even GetUp! and organize an equal rights
> straight mardi gras for a potential new recruit.
IOW, your full of shit and you're trying to weasel out of your predicament.
>>
>> snip
>>
>> Oy build a bridge get over it you made statements that you couldn't
>> substantiate AGAIN
>
> Unwilling to do so. I'm sick of doing their homework for them. It
> might be character-building for them to get their leftard arses off
> the couch and do some work for themselves.
>
> The leftard socialists need to do some bloody work for themselves. The
> bludging parasites wouldn't even GetUp! and organize an equal rights
> straight mardi gras for a potential new recruit.
Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax
Mar 14, 2012, 5:07:17 AM3/14/12
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Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax
Mar 14, 2012, 5:08:55 AM3/14/12
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Swampfox
Mar 14, 2012, 6:04:23 AM3/14/12
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On 13/03/2012 8:03 PM, Clocky wrote:
> Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax wrote:
> Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax wrote:
>> On 13/03/2012 1:14 PM, dechucka wrote:
>>>
>>> "Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax"<gillar...@promises.are.invalid> wrote
>>> in message news:jjm3f9$iq1$2...@dont-email.me...
>>>
>>> "Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax"<gillar...@promises.are.invalid> wrote
>>>> On 13/03/2012 10:26 AM, dechucka wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax"<gillar...@promises.are.invalid>
>>>>> wrote in message news:jjlvdm$ndo$1...@dont-email.me...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax"<gillar...@promises.are.invalid>
>>>>>> On 13/03/2012 7:17 AM, dechucka wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax"<gillar...@promises.are.invalid>
>>>>>>> wrote in
>>>>>>> message news:jjkp7h$3of$4...@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>> On 12/03/2012 9:17 PM, ralph wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 15:45:13 +1100,
>>>>>>>>> "dechucka"<dech...@hotmail.com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax"<gillar...@promises.are.invalid>
>>>>>>> wrote in
>>>>>>> message news:jjkp7h$3of$4...@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>> On 12/03/2012 9:17 PM, ralph wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 15:45:13 +1100,
>>>>>>>>> "dechucka"<dech...@hotmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax"<gillar...@promises.are.invalid>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>> message news:jjjlbm$a3k$1...@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax"<gillar...@promises.are.invalid>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>> message news:jjjlbm$a3k$1...@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/03/2012 10:18 AM, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Oy Rool Out a Carbon
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Oy Rool Out a Carbon
>>>>>>>>>>>> Tax"<gillar...@promises.are.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>> message news:jjh4mk$bfk$1...@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>>>>> message news:jjh4mk$bfk$1...@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/03/2012 8:26 AM, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/03/2012 11:04 PM, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax wrote:
>>>>> Another unsubstantiated claim by oy
>>>>
>>>> Do your homework and sustain it then. Next...
>>>
>>> Poor oy caught again making unsubstantiated statements
>>
>>>>
>>>> Do your homework and sustain it then. Next...
>>>
>>> Poor oy caught again making unsubstantiated statements
>>
>> Maybe, but it's fact.
>> Disprove it or your rebuttal remains unsubstantiated. Do some homework
>> of your own for a change, and stop expecting tax payers to provide
>> everything for you, while you bludge away online.
>
>> of your own for a change, and stop expecting tax payers to provide
>> everything for you, while you bludge away online.
>
> IOW, no cite coming because you made it up.
>
As is his wont, and when called on it the stock response is invariably
>
"Google it".
And he claims to be a scientist if you please, what a fucken joke.
Clocky
Mar 14, 2012, 6:35:56 AM3/14/12
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Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax wrote:
> On 14/03/2012 10:36 AM, dechucka wrote:
>>
>> "Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax" <gillar...@promises.are.invalid> wrote
>> in message news:jjoee7$k2p$2...@dont-email.me...
>>> On 14/03/2012 6:42 AM, dechucka wrote:
>>>> snip
>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe, but it's fact.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> really? Cite please
>>>>>>
>>>>>> snip
>>>>>
>>>>> Google is your friend. ;-)
>>>>
>>>> That is not how it works in "logic" world. If you make the
>>>> statement you back it up or people rightly suggest you are a BS
>>>> artist on that matter
>>>
>>> They can "suggest" all they like. To prove it, all they have to do
>>> is get off their bludging arses and do some homework of their own
>>> for a change. And BTW, that's nothing to do with logic. It's a lazy
>>> leftard made up rule.
>>
>> you can't back up your statement?
> I can't be bothered.
>
>> U R a BS artist on this matter
> Prove it.
It's self-evident.
> On 14/03/2012 10:36 AM, dechucka wrote:
>>
>> "Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax" <gillar...@promises.are.invalid> wrote
>> in message news:jjoee7$k2p$2...@dont-email.me...
>>> On 14/03/2012 6:42 AM, dechucka wrote:
>>>> snip
>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe, but it's fact.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> really? Cite please
>>>>>>
>>>>>> snip
>>>>>
>>>>> Google is your friend. ;-)
>>>>
>>>> That is not how it works in "logic" world. If you make the
>>>> statement you back it up or people rightly suggest you are a BS
>>>> artist on that matter
>>>
>>> They can "suggest" all they like. To prove it, all they have to do
>>> is get off their bludging arses and do some homework of their own
>>> for a change. And BTW, that's nothing to do with logic. It's a lazy
>>> leftard made up rule.
>>
>> you can't back up your statement?
> I can't be bothered.
>
>> U R a BS artist on this matter
> Prove it.
You talk crap, provide no references, and then blame others for not finding
the references to prove your claims.
You're a typical far right illogical lunatic.
Clocky
Mar 14, 2012, 6:37:05 AM3/14/12
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Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax wrote:
> On 14/03/2012 5:02 PM, Trevor wrote:
>> "Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax"<gillar...@promises.are.invalid> wrote
>> in message news:jjp9gr$omp$2...@dont-email.me...
>>> On 14/03/2012 10:36 AM, dechucka wrote:
>>>> you can't back up your statement?
>>> I can't be bothered.
>>>
>>>> U R a BS artist on this matter
>>> Prove it.
>>
>> Right, not proven, but you promise to never request anyone else
>> "cite" or "prove it" when they can't be bothered I hope.
>> (watch out for those flying pigs :-)
>
> I'm just playing their own game with them and they don't like it. It
> would mean doing some work on their part.
Nope, that doesn't fly either.
> On 14/03/2012 5:02 PM, Trevor wrote:
>> "Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax"<gillar...@promises.are.invalid> wrote
>> in message news:jjp9gr$omp$2...@dont-email.me...
>>> On 14/03/2012 10:36 AM, dechucka wrote:
>>>> you can't back up your statement?
>>> I can't be bothered.
>>>
>>>> U R a BS artist on this matter
>>> Prove it.
>>
>> Right, not proven, but you promise to never request anyone else
>> "cite" or "prove it" when they can't be bothered I hope.
>> (watch out for those flying pigs :-)
>
> I'm just playing their own game with them and they don't like it. It
> would mean doing some work on their part.
You're full of shit, as always.
Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax
Mar 14, 2012, 6:50:18 AM3/14/12
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arses and do some homework of their own for a change. This is just
Usenet BTW, not a High Court case.
<snip typical leftard ad hom irrelevant drivel>
Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax
Mar 14, 2012, 6:52:05 AM3/14/12
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> You're full of shit, as always.
dechucka
Mar 14, 2012, 4:08:13 PM3/14/12
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"Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax" <gillar...@promises.are.invalid> wrote in
> On 14/03/2012 1:45 PM, dechucka wrote:
>>
>> snip
>>
>> Oy build a bridge get over it you made statements that you couldn't
>> substantiate AGAIN
>
> Unwilling to do so. I'm sick of doing their homework for them. It might be
> character-building for them to get their leftard arses off the couch and
> do some work for themselves.
>
> The leftard socialists need to do some bloody work for themselves. The
> bludging parasites wouldn't even GetUp! and organize an equal rights
> straight mardi gras for a potential new recruit.
dance oy dance 9 at least that gets you of your arse ) you can't back up
>>
>> snip
>>
>> Oy build a bridge get over it you made statements that you couldn't
>> substantiate AGAIN
>
> Unwilling to do so. I'm sick of doing their homework for them. It might be
> character-building for them to get their leftard arses off the couch and
> do some work for themselves.
>
> The leftard socialists need to do some bloody work for themselves. The
> bludging parasites wouldn't even GetUp! and organize an equal rights
> straight mardi gras for a potential new recruit.
your statement, you are a BS artist
dechucka
Mar 14, 2012, 4:08:47 PM3/14/12
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snip
snip
> I'm sick of doing their homework for them. It might be
bs artist
snip
dechucka
Mar 14, 2012, 4:09:51 PM3/14/12
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"Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax" <gillar...@promises.are.invalid> wrote in
> On 14/03/2012 5:02 PM, Trevor wrote:
>> "Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax"<gillar...@promises.are.invalid> wrote in
>> message news:jjp9gr$omp$2...@dont-email.me...
>>> On 14/03/2012 10:36 AM, dechucka wrote:
>>>> you can't back up your statement?
>>> I can't be bothered.
>>>
>>>> U R a BS artist on this matter
>>> Prove it.
>>
>> Right, not proven, but you promise to never request anyone else "cite" or
>> "prove it" when they can't be bothered I hope.
>> (watch out for those flying pigs :-)
>
> I'm just playing their own game with them and they don't like it. It would
> mean doing some work on their part.
>
but of course when you are asked to cite it turns out that in many cases you
>> "Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax"<gillar...@promises.are.invalid> wrote in
>> message news:jjp9gr$omp$2...@dont-email.me...
>>> On 14/03/2012 10:36 AM, dechucka wrote:
>>>> you can't back up your statement?
>>> I can't be bothered.
>>>
>>>> U R a BS artist on this matter
>>> Prove it.
>>
>> Right, not proven, but you promise to never request anyone else "cite" or
>> "prove it" when they can't be bothered I hope.
>> (watch out for those flying pigs :-)
>
> I'm just playing their own game with them and they don't like it. It would
> mean doing some work on their part.
>
are a bs artist
dechucka
Mar 14, 2012, 4:13:35 PM3/14/12
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"Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax" <gillar...@promises.are.invalid> wrote in
> On 14/03/2012 9:37 PM, Clocky wrote:
>> Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax wrote:
>>> On 14/03/2012 5:02 PM, Trevor wrote:
>>>> "Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax"<gillar...@promises.are.invalid> wrote
>>>> in message news:jjp9gr$omp$2...@dont-email.me...
>>>>> On 14/03/2012 10:36 AM, dechucka wrote:
>>>>>> you can't back up your statement?
>>>>> I can't be bothered.
>>>>>
>>>>>> U R a BS artist on this matter
>>>>> Prove it.
>>>>
>>>> Right, not proven, but you promise to never request anyone else
>>>> "cite" or "prove it" when they can't be bothered I hope.
>>>> (watch out for those flying pigs :-)
>>>
>>> I'm just playing their own game with them and they don't like it. It
>>> would mean doing some work on their part.
>>
>> Nope, that doesn't fly either.
>
> Flies as well as your version dipshit.
mine flies perfectly. YOU ARE A BS ARTIST :-)
>> Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax wrote:
>>> On 14/03/2012 5:02 PM, Trevor wrote:
>>>> "Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax"<gillar...@promises.are.invalid> wrote
>>>> in message news:jjp9gr$omp$2...@dont-email.me...
>>>>> On 14/03/2012 10:36 AM, dechucka wrote:
>>>>>> you can't back up your statement?
>>>>> I can't be bothered.
>>>>>
>>>>>> U R a BS artist on this matter
>>>>> Prove it.
>>>>
>>>> Right, not proven, but you promise to never request anyone else
>>>> "cite" or "prove it" when they can't be bothered I hope.
>>>> (watch out for those flying pigs :-)
>>>
>>> I'm just playing their own game with them and they don't like it. It
>>> would mean doing some work on their part.
>>
>> Nope, that doesn't fly either.
>
> Flies as well as your version dipshit.
dechucka
Mar 14, 2012, 4:15:40 PM3/14/12
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snip
>> It's self-evident.
>
> you can't back up your statement?
saying you can't find any under oy logic means you didn't look
dechucka
Mar 14, 2012, 4:16:48 PM3/14/12
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"Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax" <gillar...@promises.are.invalid> wrote in
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Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax
Mar 14, 2012, 5:41:57 PM3/14/12
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Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax
Mar 14, 2012, 5:42:07 PM3/14/12
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On 15/03/2012 7:08 AM, dechucka wrote:
Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax
Mar 14, 2012, 5:42:24 PM3/14/12
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On 15/03/2012 7:09 AM, dechucka wrote:
>
> "Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax" <gillar...@promises.are.invalid> wrote in
> message news:jjpig0$pkc$3...@dont-email.me...
>> On 14/03/2012 5:02 PM, Trevor wrote:
>>> "Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax"<gillar...@promises.are.invalid> wrote in
>>> message news:jjp9gr$omp$2...@dont-email.me...
>>>> On 14/03/2012 10:36 AM, dechucka wrote:
>>>>> you can't back up your statement?
>>>> I can't be bothered.
>>>>
>>>>> U R a BS artist on this matter
>>>> Prove it.
>>>
>>> Right, not proven, but you promise to never request anyone else
>>> "cite" or
>>> "prove it" when they can't be bothered I hope.
>>> (watch out for those flying pigs :-)
>>
>> I'm just playing their own game with them and they don't like it. It
>> would mean doing some work on their part.
>>
>
> but of course when you are asked to cite it turns out that in many cases
> you are a bs artist
>
> "Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax" <gillar...@promises.are.invalid> wrote in
> message news:jjpig0$pkc$3...@dont-email.me...
>> On 14/03/2012 5:02 PM, Trevor wrote:
>>> "Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax"<gillar...@promises.are.invalid> wrote in
>>> message news:jjp9gr$omp$2...@dont-email.me...
>>>> On 14/03/2012 10:36 AM, dechucka wrote:
>>>>> you can't back up your statement?
>>>> I can't be bothered.
>>>>
>>>>> U R a BS artist on this matter
>>>> Prove it.
>>>
>>> Right, not proven, but you promise to never request anyone else
>>> "cite" or
>>> "prove it" when they can't be bothered I hope.
>>> (watch out for those flying pigs :-)
>>
>> I'm just playing their own game with them and they don't like it. It
>> would mean doing some work on their part.
>>
>
> but of course when you are asked to cite it turns out that in many cases
> you are a bs artist
I'm sick of doing their homework for them. It might be
character-building for them to get their leftard arses off the couch and
do some work for themselves.
The leftard socialists need to do some bloody work for themselves. The
bludging parasites wouldn't even GetUp! and organize an equal rights
straight mardi gras for a potential new recruit.
character-building for them to get their leftard arses off the couch and
do some work for themselves.
The leftard socialists need to do some bloody work for themselves. The
bludging parasites wouldn't even GetUp! and organize an equal rights
straight mardi gras for a potential new recruit.
Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax
Mar 14, 2012, 5:42:47 PM3/14/12
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On 15/03/2012 7:13 AM, dechucka wrote:
>
> "Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax" <gillar...@promises.are.invalid> wrote in
> message news:jjpt8b$cmd$2...@dont-email.me...
>> On 14/03/2012 9:37 PM, Clocky wrote:
>>> Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax wrote:
>>>> On 14/03/2012 5:02 PM, Trevor wrote:
>>>>> "Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax"<gillar...@promises.are.invalid> wrote
>>>>> in message news:jjp9gr$omp$2...@dont-email.me...
>>>>>> On 14/03/2012 10:36 AM, dechucka wrote:
>>>>>>> you can't back up your statement?
>>>>>> I can't be bothered.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> U R a BS artist on this matter
>>>>>> Prove it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Right, not proven, but you promise to never request anyone else
>>>>> "cite" or "prove it" when they can't be bothered I hope.
>>>>> (watch out for those flying pigs :-)
>>>>
>>>> I'm just playing their own game with them and they don't like it. It
>>>> would mean doing some work on their part.
>>>
>>> Nope, that doesn't fly either.
>>
>> Flies as well as your version dipshit.
>
> mine flies perfectly. YOU ARE A BS ARTIST :-)
>
> "Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax" <gillar...@promises.are.invalid> wrote in
> message news:jjpt8b$cmd$2...@dont-email.me...
>> On 14/03/2012 9:37 PM, Clocky wrote:
>>> Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax wrote:
>>>> On 14/03/2012 5:02 PM, Trevor wrote:
>>>>> "Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax"<gillar...@promises.are.invalid> wrote
>>>>> in message news:jjp9gr$omp$2...@dont-email.me...
>>>>>> On 14/03/2012 10:36 AM, dechucka wrote:
>>>>>>> you can't back up your statement?
>>>>>> I can't be bothered.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> U R a BS artist on this matter
>>>>>> Prove it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Right, not proven, but you promise to never request anyone else
>>>>> "cite" or "prove it" when they can't be bothered I hope.
>>>>> (watch out for those flying pigs :-)
>>>>
>>>> I'm just playing their own game with them and they don't like it. It
>>>> would mean doing some work on their part.
>>>
>>> Nope, that doesn't fly either.
>>
>> Flies as well as your version dipshit.
>
> mine flies perfectly. YOU ARE A BS ARTIST :-)
I'm sick of doing their homework for them. It might be
character-building for them to get their leftard arses off the couch and
do some work for themselves.
The leftard socialists need to do some bloody work for themselves. The
bludging parasites wouldn't even GetUp! and organize an equal rights
straight mardi gras for a potential new recruit.
character-building for them to get their leftard arses off the couch and
do some work for themselves.
The leftard socialists need to do some bloody work for themselves. The
bludging parasites wouldn't even GetUp! and organize an equal rights
straight mardi gras for a potential new recruit.
dechucka
Mar 14, 2012, 5:41:48 PM3/14/12
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"Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax" <gillar...@promises.are.invalid> wrote in
> On 15/03/2012 7:08 AM, dechucka wrote:
>>
>> "Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax" <gillar...@promises.are.invalid> wrote in
>> message news:jjpf2k$dd3$1...@dont-email.me...
>>> On 14/03/2012 1:45 PM, dechucka wrote:
>>>>
>>>> snip
>>>>
>>>> Oy build a bridge get over it you made statements that you couldn't
>>>> substantiate AGAIN
>>>
>>> Unwilling to do so. I'm sick of doing their homework for them. It
>>> might be character-building for them to get their leftard arses off
>>> the couch and do some work for themselves.
>>>
>>> The leftard socialists need to do some bloody work for themselves. The
>>> bludging parasites wouldn't even GetUp! and organize an equal rights
>>> straight mardi gras for a potential new recruit.
>>
>> dance oy dance 9 at least that gets you of your arse ) you can't back up
>> your statement, you are a BS artist
>
> I'm sick of doing their homework for them. It might be character-building
> for them to get their leftard arses off the couch and do some work for
> themselves.
>
> The leftard socialists need to do some bloody work for themselves. The
> bludging parasites wouldn't even GetUp! and organize an equal rights
> straight mardi gras for a potential new recruit.
>
BS artist
>>
>> "Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax" <gillar...@promises.are.invalid> wrote in
>> message news:jjpf2k$dd3$1...@dont-email.me...
>>> On 14/03/2012 1:45 PM, dechucka wrote:
>>>>
>>>> snip
>>>>
>>>> Oy build a bridge get over it you made statements that you couldn't
>>>> substantiate AGAIN
>>>
>>> Unwilling to do so. I'm sick of doing their homework for them. It
>>> might be character-building for them to get their leftard arses off
>>> the couch and do some work for themselves.
>>>
>>> The leftard socialists need to do some bloody work for themselves. The
>>> bludging parasites wouldn't even GetUp! and organize an equal rights
>>> straight mardi gras for a potential new recruit.
>>
>> dance oy dance 9 at least that gets you of your arse ) you can't back up
>> your statement, you are a BS artist
>
> I'm sick of doing their homework for them. It might be character-building
> for them to get their leftard arses off the couch and do some work for
> themselves.
>
> The leftard socialists need to do some bloody work for themselves. The
> bludging parasites wouldn't even GetUp! and organize an equal rights
> straight mardi gras for a potential new recruit.
>
Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax
Mar 14, 2012, 5:43:15 PM3/14/12
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I'm sick of doing their homework for them. It might be
character-building for them to get their leftard arses off the couch and
do some work for themselves.
The leftard socialists need to do some bloody work for themselves. The
bludging parasites wouldn't even GetUp! and organize an equal rights
straight mardi gras for a potential new recruit.
character-building for them to get their leftard arses off the couch and
do some work for themselves.
The leftard socialists need to do some bloody work for themselves. The
bludging parasites wouldn't even GetUp! and organize an equal rights
straight mardi gras for a potential new recruit.
Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax
Mar 14, 2012, 5:43:32 PM3/14/12
to
The leftard socialists need to do some bloody work for themselves. The
bludging parasites wouldn't even GetUp! and organize an equal rights
straight mardi gras for a potential new recruit.
bludging parasites wouldn't even GetUp! and organize an equal rights
straight mardi gras for a potential new recruit.
Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax
Mar 14, 2012, 5:52:08 PM3/14/12
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dechucka
Mar 14, 2012, 5:56:51 PM3/14/12
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"Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax" <gillar...@promises.are.invalid> wrote in
> On 15/03/2012 7:13 AM, dechucka wrote:
>>
>> "Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax" <gillar...@promises.are.invalid> wrote in
>> message news:jjpt8b$cmd$2...@dont-email.me...
>>> On 14/03/2012 9:37 PM, Clocky wrote:
>>>> Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax wrote:
>>>>> On 14/03/2012 5:02 PM, Trevor wrote:
>>>>>> "Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax"<gillar...@promises.are.invalid> wrote
>>>>>> in message news:jjp9gr$omp$2...@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>> On 14/03/2012 10:36 AM, dechucka wrote:
>>>>>>>> you can't back up your statement?
>>>>>>> I can't be bothered.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> U R a BS artist on this matter
>>>>>>> Prove it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Right, not proven, but you promise to never request anyone else
>>>>>> "cite" or "prove it" when they can't be bothered I hope.
>>>>>> (watch out for those flying pigs :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm just playing their own game with them and they don't like it. It
>>>>> would mean doing some work on their part.
>>>>
>>>> Nope, that doesn't fly either.
>>>
>>> Flies as well as your version dipshit.
>>
>> mine flies perfectly. YOU ARE A BS ARTIST :-)
>
> I'm sick of doing their homework for them.
just proves your a bludger who can't get off their arse to even backup their
>>
>> "Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax" <gillar...@promises.are.invalid> wrote in
>> message news:jjpt8b$cmd$2...@dont-email.me...
>>> On 14/03/2012 9:37 PM, Clocky wrote:
>>>> Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax wrote:
>>>>> On 14/03/2012 5:02 PM, Trevor wrote:
>>>>>> "Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax"<gillar...@promises.are.invalid> wrote
>>>>>> in message news:jjp9gr$omp$2...@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>> On 14/03/2012 10:36 AM, dechucka wrote:
>>>>>>>> you can't back up your statement?
>>>>>>> I can't be bothered.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> U R a BS artist on this matter
>>>>>>> Prove it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Right, not proven, but you promise to never request anyone else
>>>>>> "cite" or "prove it" when they can't be bothered I hope.
>>>>>> (watch out for those flying pigs :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm just playing their own game with them and they don't like it. It
>>>>> would mean doing some work on their part.
>>>>
>>>> Nope, that doesn't fly either.
>>>
>>> Flies as well as your version dipshit.
>>
>> mine flies perfectly. YOU ARE A BS ARTIST :-)
>
> I'm sick of doing their homework for them.
own statement.
UR a BS artist
dechucka
Mar 14, 2012, 5:58:45 PM3/14/12
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"Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax" <gillar...@promises.are.invalid> wrote in
Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax
Mar 14, 2012, 6:27:48 PM3/14/12
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Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax
Mar 14, 2012, 6:28:18 PM3/14/12
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Clocky
Mar 15, 2012, 4:36:15 AM3/15/12
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Clocky
Mar 15, 2012, 4:38:38 AM3/15/12
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Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax wrote:
> On 15/03/2012 7:15 AM, dechucka wrote:
>>
>> snip
>>
>>>> It's self-evident.
>>>
>>> you can't back up your statement?
>>
>> No need to under Oy logic, it is you Oy that must provide the
>> evidence. saying you can't find any under oy logic means you didn't
>> look
>
> I'm sick of doing their homework for them.
You say you already looked it up, so how is that doing your homework for us?
>>
>> snip
>>
>>>> It's self-evident.
>>>
>>> you can't back up your statement?
>>
>> No need to under Oy logic, it is you Oy that must provide the
>> evidence. saying you can't find any under oy logic means you didn't
>> look
>
> I'm sick of doing their homework for them.
Just post the "facts" you supposedly already found you silly right wing
fruitcake.
Clocky
Mar 15, 2012, 4:40:23 AM3/15/12
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Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax
Mar 15, 2012, 7:39:21 AM3/15/12
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Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax
Mar 15, 2012, 7:40:23 AM3/15/12
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On 15/03/2012 7:38 PM, Clocky wrote:
> Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax wrote:
>> On 15/03/2012 7:15 AM, dechucka wrote:
>>>
>>> snip
>>>
>>>>> It's self-evident.
>>>>
>>>> you can't back up your statement?
>>>
>>> No need to under Oy logic, it is you Oy that must provide the
>>> evidence. saying you can't find any under oy logic means you didn't
>>> look
>>
>> I'm sick of doing their homework for them.
>
> You say you already looked it up, so how is that doing your homework for us?
Because your homework is also to look it up. HTH
> Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax wrote:
>> On 15/03/2012 7:15 AM, dechucka wrote:
>>>
>>> snip
>>>
>>>>> It's self-evident.
>>>>
>>>> you can't back up your statement?
>>>
>>> No need to under Oy logic, it is you Oy that must provide the
>>> evidence. saying you can't find any under oy logic means you didn't
>>> look
>>
>> I'm sick of doing their homework for them.
>
> You say you already looked it up, so how is that doing your homework for us?
Clocky
Mar 16, 2012, 10:13:13 PM3/16/12
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Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax wrote:
> On 15/03/2012 7:08 AM, dechucka wrote:
>> snip
>>> I'm sick of doing their homework for them. It might be
>>
>> bs artist
>>
>> snip
>
> I'm
Bullshitter.
>> snip
>>> I'm sick of doing their homework for them. It might be
>>
>> bs artist
>>
>> snip
>
> I'm
dechucka
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