Nuclear attack a sure bet
lynx
Nuclear attack on Melbourne 'inevitable', says academic
Article from: Sunday Herald Sun
http://tinyurl.com/4z28xp
Stephen Drill
October 05, 2008 12:00am
AN RMIT academic claims a nuclear terror attack on Melbourne is
"inevitable" within 10 years because of Australia's support for the war
on terror and "soft" borders.
Global studies Prof Joseph Siracusa will launch a research project on
the threat to our city tomorrow.
He said more than 270,000 people would die and 150,000 would be injured
if a nuclear bomb was detonated on the corner of Swanston and Collins
streets.
Flinders St station, the Arts Centre, the State Library, Eureka Tower,
the Docklands, Myer at Bourke St and the Shrine of Remembrance would be
reduced to dust.
The Alfred, Royal Melbourne, Royal Children's and Royal Women's
hospitals would also be destroyed.
The blast would reach as far as Elsternwick in the south, Camberwell in
the east, Coburg in the north and Williamstown in the west.
And the radiation fallout, under a westerly wind, would stretch as far
as Boronia.
But the Federal Government said measures were in place to detect and
prevent terrorism.
Wayne.
I wonder if this is suppose to shift the focus from how pathetic they
are at NRL?
steam3801
Someone's been reading too many Neville Shute novels ....
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If a man speaks in the forest, and there is no woman around to hear him, is he still wrong?
Jim Cook
> On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 08:43:01 GMT, lynx <n...@nothere.com> - in a
>
> - Show quoted text -
Melbourne - a good place to set a movie about the end of the world.....
Krudd the Dudd
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>If a man speaks in the forest, and there is no woman around to hear him,
>is he still wrong?
Of course!
LaborVoter
on the world in 45 minutes you guys told us about, and the missles filled
with Sarin Gas.
Oh hang on.. thats right, that was complete bullshit too.
"lynx" <no...@nothere.com> wrote in message
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lynx
> I'm still shitting myself over the Nuclear Weapons Saddam is going to launch
> on the world in 45 minutes you guys told us about, and the missles filled
> with Sarin Gas.
>
> Oh hang on.. thats right, that was complete bullshit too.
>
son of a bitch
Bollocks
Maybe an easy target, but El-Queda would not accomplish any goals.
That is: it will not change any US Foreign Policies or change
the US involvement in Mid-East or change the US association with
Israel.
±DoügßÇ
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> I'm still shitting myself over the Nuclear Weapons Saddam is going to
> launch on the world in 45 minutes you guys told us about, and the missles
> filled with Sarin Gas.
>
> Oh hang on.. thats right, that was complete bullshit too.
>
Why don't you tell that to the kurds and then huff some
mustard gas?
jg
Quite possibly there will be a terror attack some time somewhere here,
but that's an extremely Melbourne-centric prediction using practically
no imagination. One might almost think it was meant to impress the
largest number of people.
Pete Pan
Full of hot air but no substance, like all of his colleagues.
Addinall
> "LaborVoter" <norep...@noreply.com> wrote in message
Can't. The Kurds are being killed by state backed troops
from the USSA and Turkey. In brand new USSA
supplied F-16 fighter jets as well.
Mark Addinall.
Alan in Darwin
I mean these outpost camps like Sydney and Melbourne have been a
problem to us here in Darwin since forever.
Alan in Darwin
jg
Well let's not destroy what could be a self fulfilling prophecy. If
terrorists realised the damage they could do in northern states where
the money comes from, it'd effect more than Spencer street station and a
few thousand bean counters.
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Mark Addinall.
*************************
You could always huff some of Saddam's select mustard gas though --
it might clear your head.
z1
>
> Nuclear attack on Melbourne 'inevitable', says academic
some like their day in the headlines.
so is this academic a foreign policy advisor to the Vic Govt?
Phil
"Alan in Darwin" <wilson...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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"Victoria - The place to be" go back first.
By the way are you in the area of Darwin where you have to start buying your
own generators?
Phil in Palmerston
lynx
well that explains a lot..
wrote:
> I'm still shitting myself over the Nuclear Weapons Saddam is going to launch
> on the world in 45 minutes you guys told us about, and the missles filled
> with Sarin Gas.
>
> Oh hang on.. thats right, that was complete bullshit too.
>
happen. I guess there were ppl in London and Madrid who thought as you
did before the bombings on the London underground and Madrid rail
networks. And perhaps you've forgotten already, or never knew since your
head is so far up your arse, that nine muslim extremists were tried for
planning to blow up the Lucas Heights nuclear facility. The trial has
just recently concluded.
http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,21336424-5001021,00.html
According to http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ Islamic extremeists have
now carried out over 12,000 terror attacks since 9/11.
lynx
theo
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> On Oct 7, 12:51 am, "�Do�g��" <no�n...@now.com> wrote:
> > "LaborVoter" <norep...@noreply.com> wrote in message
> >
> > news:ivadnRJwZbpscnTV...@netspace.net.au...
> >
> > > I'm still shitting myself over the Nuclear Weapons Saddam is going to
> > > launch on the world in 45 minutes you guys told us about, and the
> > > missles
> > > filled with Sarin Gas.
> >
> > > Oh hang on.. thats right, that was complete bullshit too.
> >
> > Why don't you tell that to the kurds and then huff some
> > mustard gas?
>
> Can't. The Kurds are being killed by state backed troops
> from the USSA and Turkey. In brand new USSA
> supplied F-16 fighter jets as well.
>
> Mark Addinall.
>
> *************************
> You could always huff some of Saddam's select mustard gas though --
> it might clear your head.
That'd be the mustard gas the Yanks let him develop to use on the
Iranians, yeah?
true.bl...@gmail.com
lynx wrote:
> LaborVoter
>
> well that explains a lot..
>
> wrote:
>
> > I'm still shitting myself over the Nuclear Weapons Saddam is going to launch
> > on the world in 45 minutes you guys told us about, and the missles filled
> > with Sarin Gas.
> >
> > Oh hang on.. thats right, that was complete bullshit too.
> >
>
> The only bullshit is entirely yours.
Not so. He is entirely correct: the "45 minutes" story was an
outrageous Goebbelsian lie told by the British government.
> Never say never my friend.
Iraq :
- never was responsible for 9/11
- never had any WMDs capable of "45-minutes" deployment against the
UK.
> It can
> happen. I guess there were ppl in London and Madrid who thought as you
> did before the bombings on the London underground and Madrid rail
> networks.
- never were those bombings done by Iraq.
> And perhaps you've forgotten already, or never knew since your
> head is so far up your arse, that nine muslim extremists were tried for
> planning to blow up the Lucas Heights nuclear facility. The trial has
> just recently concluded.
- Never were any of them Iraqis.
I hope I've not said "never" too often for you - I wouldn't want you
to choke on your government-supplied bullshit.
true.bl...@gmail.com
jg wrote:
> lynx wrote:
> >
> > Nuclear attack on Melbourne 'inevitable', says academic
> > Article from: Sunday Herald Sun
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/4z28xp
> Quite possibly there will be a terror attack some time somewhere here,
> but that's an extremely Melbourne-centric prediction using practically
> no imagination. One might almost think it was meant to impress the
> largest number of people.
Let's do a simple analysis on this:
Nuclear weapon:
- $$$$Very Costly (even a dirty bomb)$$$$
Ease of importing a dirty bomb to:
- Australia - difficult, australia has strong border control.
- USA - much easier
- UK - Still pretty easy, especially seeing as 3% of the population
now are muslim and surveys show 30% of them support killing in the
name of religion.
Effect/goals meet Al Qaeda's objectives
- Blowing up any US city - big tick
- BLowing up any British city - small tick
- BLowing up Melbourne - um, hang on - if you can get a bomb into
Australia, why would you have a go at Melbourne? Melbourne is an
globally obscure and ugly little sprawl of suburbia. Sydney is far
more publicity-friendly on the global stage.
Summary:
Nuclear weapons are hard to some by. Importing a nuclear weapon for
the purpose of mounting a terrorist attack would have the least chance
of success against Australia. Also, it would have the least effect.
Conclusion:
This Professor is a bullshit-artist. Typical uni-wanker. Probably a
feminist. Bet he loves illegal immigrants, too.
lynx
Mr.T
> >>> "inevitable" within 10 years because of Australia's support for the
war
> >>> on terror and "soft" borders.
> >>>
> >>> Global studies Prof Joseph Siracusa will launch a research project on
> >>> the threat to our city tomorrow.
> >>>
> >>> He said more than 270,000 people would die and 150,000 would be
injured
> >>> if a nuclear bomb was detonated on the corner of Swanston and Collins
> >>> streets.
> >>>
> >>> Flinders St station, the Arts Centre, the State Library, Eureka Tower,
> >>> the Docklands, Myer at Bourke St and the Shrine of Remembrance would
be
> >>> reduced to dust.
> >>>
> >>> The Alfred, Royal Melbourne, Royal Children's and Royal Women's
> >>> hospitals would also be destroyed.
> >>>
> >>> The blast would reach as far as Elsternwick in the south, Camberwell
in
> >>> the east, Coburg in the north and Williamstown in the west.
> >>>
> >>> And the radiation fallout, under a westerly wind, would stretch as far
> >>> as Boronia.
How does he calculate those effects I wonder, when there is NO mention of
type, size or deployment method?
MrT.
jg
Fair point, but it's still limited vision to assume the greatest terror
threat even within Victoria is to Melbourne... and by nuclear bomb...
and a clean one... and of that specific size.
What about where the food comes from? What about dropping something
nuclear or biological in the water supply... or the air?
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> On Oct 7, 12:51 am, "?Do?g??" <no?n...@now.com> wrote:
> > "LaborVoter" <norep...@noreply.com> wrote in message
> >
> > news:ivadnRJwZbpscnTV...@netspace.net.au...
> >
> > > I'm still shitting myself over the Nuclear Weapons Saddam is going to
> > > launch on the world in 45 minutes you guys told us about, and the
> > > missles
> > > filled with Sarin Gas.
> >
> > > Oh hang on.. thats right, that was complete bullshit too.
> >
> > Why don't you tell that to the kurds and then huff some
> > mustard gas?
>
> Can't. The Kurds are being killed by state backed troops
> from the USSA and Turkey. In brand new USSA
> supplied F-16 fighter jets as well.
>
> Mark Addinall.
>
> *************************
> You could always huff some of Saddam's select mustard gas though --
> it might clear your head.
That'd be the mustard gas the Yanks let him develop to use on the
Iranians, yeah?
***************************
Uh, right. I'd like to see you prove these allegations. Even if
true, no one twisted Saddam's arm to force him to use it on the
kurds. Renob.
lynx
> and a clean one... and of that specific size.
> What about where the food comes from? What about dropping something
> nuclear or biological in the water supply... or the air?
>
>
true.bl...@gmail.com
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> > *************************
> > You could always huff some of Saddam's select mustard gas though --
> > it might clear your head.
>
> That'd be the mustard gas the Yanks let him develop to use on the
> Iranians, yeah?
>
> ***************************
> Uh, right. I'd like to see you prove these allegations.
Huh? Are you denying the Yanks were accessories after the fact in the
gas attacks on the Kurds?
> Even if
> true, no one twisted Saddam's arm to force him to use it on the
> kurds. Renob.
...no, but the Yanks helped him try to cover it up and supplied him
with plenty of money and military hardware to reward him for gassing
the Kurds.
jg
Maybe the article was in fact trying to direct terrorist traffic, like
when they hoped no one would go round the end of the Maginot Line.
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Of course, you can prove all the above right?
Of course not, renob.
Peter Webb
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>> <true.bl...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>> > *************************
>> > You could always huff some of Saddam's select mustard gas though --
>> > it might clear your head.
>>
>> That'd be the mustard gas the Yanks let him develop to use on the
>> Iranians, yeah?
>>
>> ***************************
>> Uh, right. I'd like to see you prove these allegations.
>
> Huh? Are you denying the Yanks were accessories after the fact in the
> gas attacks on the Kurds?
>
>> Even if
>> true, no one twisted Saddam's arm to force him to use it on the
>> kurds. Renob.
>
> ...no, but the Yanks helped him try to cover it up and supplied him
> with plenty of money and military hardware to reward him for gassing
> the Kurds.
>
> *************************
> Of course, you can prove all the above right?
>
> Of course not, renob.
>
>
Interestingly, Saddam's poison gas was made in a German supplied pesticide
factory.
Lots and lots of nations helped Saddam militarily and otherwise - most
prominently the French and Russians, but to a lesser extent the Germans,
Chinese and North Koreans.
The US was the only real exception - they provided no weapons whatsoever to
Saddam from the day he gained power until he lost power. The US did however
help arm the countries Saddam attacked - Kuwait, Israel and Iran.
theo
<webbfam...@DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote:
> Lots and lots of nations helped Saddam militarily and otherwise - most
> prominently the French and Russians, but to a lesser extent the Germans,
> Chinese and North Koreans.
>
> The US was the only real exception - they provided no weapons whatsoever to
> Saddam from the day he gained power until he lost power. The US did however
> help arm the countries Saddam attacked - Kuwait, Israel and Iran.- Hide quoted text -
Which side were the US supporting in the ten year Iraq/Iran war again?
"[T]he United States actively supported the Iraqi war effort by
supplying the Iraqis with billions of dollars of credits, by providing
U.S. military intelligence and advice to the Iraqis, and by closely
monitoring third country arms sales to Iraq to make sure that Iraq had
the military weaponry required. The United States also provided
strategic operational advice to the Iraqis to better use their assets
in combat... The CIA, including both CIA Director Casey and Deputy
Director Gates, knew of, approved of, and assisted in the sale of non-
U.S. origin military weapons, ammunition and vehicles to Iraq. My
notes, memoranda and other documents in my NSC files show or tend to
show that the CIA knew of, approved of, and assisted in the sale of
non-U.S. origin military weapons, munitions and vehicles to Iraq."
Theo
Mr.T
"Peter Webb" <webbf...@DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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> The US was the only real exception - they provided no weapons whatsoever
to
> Saddam from the day he gained power until he lost power. The US did
however
> help arm the countries Saddam attacked - Kuwait, Israel and Iran.
What a load of crap. The USA/CIA did supply weapons and training to Saddam
when he was on their good list by overthrowing/assassinating the previous
ruler Qasim/Kassem, (who upset the USA with his nationalistic oil policies).
And he stayed on their good books/payroll whilst he was attacking Iran, or
the Kurds. His invasion of Kuwait did finally upset them (he'd agreed to
forego a claim on Kuwait in return for the USA's original support), and from
then on was he no longer considered an ally, and no longer received military
support.
It's not hard to find all that out if you even bothered to look.
MrT.
Alan in Darwin
safe cause most of the Nightclubs and Pubs are in my street..
Alan in *Darwin*
Newcastleboy
politics in Kevin Barak Obahama Rudd, who seems to be modelled on our
dud Australian PM. McCain won't win, he can try, but he just aint
popular enough, hasn't performed as well. Obama will be the first dark
President and will make history.. that is very good and impressive,
but I ask, does he have the stuff a President is made of - I
personally don't think he does...
- NewcastleBoy
Mr.T
"Newcastleboy" <newcas...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> but I ask, does he have the stuff a President is made of - I
> personally don't think he does...
You mean completely illiterate like G.W.Bush, or perhaps criminally corrupt
like R.Nixon?
But otherwise I think most Presidents are made of flesh and blood like the
rest of us.
MrT.
Alan in Darwin
Australia has a Prime Minister (such as he is), not a President. And the
only McCain I know of (apart from the frozen food manufacturer) is a
candidate (such as he is) in the election in the misaligned states of
'Murica. As such, I don't give a fried flying fart about any participant
in an election that has absolutely nothing to do with me, aus.politics,
aus.general, or aus.tv
Please read the thread before posting irrelevancies.
Regards
Alan in Darwin
Northern Territory
AUSTRALIA
Newcastleboy
<wilson...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>Last I heard Darwin was part of the Northern Territory of Australia.
>Australia has a Prime Minister (such as he is), not a President. And the
>only McCain I know of (apart from the frozen food manufacturer) is a
>candidate (such as he is) in the election in the misaligned states of
>'Murica. As such, I don't give a fried flying fart about any participant
>in an election that has absolutely nothing to do with me, aus.politics,
>aus.general, or aus.tv
>
>Please read the thread before posting irrelevancies.
>
>Regards
>Alan in Darwin
>Northern Territory
>AUSTRALIA
You sound a likely candidate to get eaten by a saltwater Alice Springs
crocodile :)
- NewcastleBoy
Alan in Darwin
You didn't happen to go to Cardiff High School, did you? :) :)
Newcastleboy
No, I didn't... I was supposed to go there but went to Kotara High
School instead.
- NewcastleBoy
Brad
>>> as Boronia.
>
> How does he calculate those effects I wonder, when there is NO mention of
> type, size or deployment method?
>
> MrT.
He has either picked the numbers out of his arse (very likely) or
plagiarized old Cold War scenarios from the 70's. (Much more likely).
I recall the same shit-scared stories from the Media in the 70's about
how much damage would be caused by a direct strike on Sydney by the
old USSR. No-one was able to satisfactorily answer the question "Why
would they bother?".