FT Spoiler: Warriors v Knights
Ian Stewart
Great win by Newcastle. Like Penrith, they just know how to beat the
Warriors.
Bastards. :-)
Ian
Max Horlicks
YES!!!!...........................
Matthew Pope
sputter:
That Kurt Gidley is developing into a fine halfback. It'd be good to see
Steve Witt get a few games alongside him, they could develop into a potent
attacking force.
A solid, if somewhat unspectacular debut from Witt.
--
Cheers,
Matt Pope
April 8th, 1994
April 30th, 1994
May 1st, 1994
Sheepshagger
"Ian Stewart" <newzealan...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Warriors 20 v Knights 34
>
> Great win by Newcastle. Like Penrith, they just know how to beat the
> Warriors.
Now you know I dont focus on the refs Ian but that fuckwit had a shocker did
you notice when he went upstairs that when both times the video ref went in
favour of the warriors that ref fucking near cried you can bring the okker
to nz but you cant take the okker out of him they still cheating lying
thieving scumbags I dont know how they sleep at night to be honest.
SS
>
> Bastards. :-)
>
> Ian
>
>
Chris Parslow
"Ian Stewart" <newzealan...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Just when everyone thought the Warriors had hit rock-bottom, they drill
through and discover entirely new strata of shit...
CP
Chris Parslow
"Sheepshagger" <sheeps...@quicksilver.net.nz> wrote in message
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>
>>I dont know how they sleep at night...
They drink heavily & wait for someone to hit them.
>>>to be honest.
If they're doing it to be honest, it aint workin'...
CP
Ernest the Sheep
> "Ian Stewart" <newzealan...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> Warriors 20 v Knights 34
>>
>> Great win by Newcastle. Like Penrith, they just know how to beat the
>> Warriors.
>
> Now you know I dont focus on the refs Ian but that fuckwit had a
> shocker did you notice when he went upstairs that when both times the
> video ref went in favour of the warriors that ref fucking near cried
nah, you're just a paranoid goon
> you can bring the okker to nz but you cant take the okker out of him
> they still cheating lying thieving scumbags I dont know how they
> sleep at night to be honest.
that'll be a first for you then
Oswald P Wrong
<newzealan...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Warriors 20 v Knights 34
>
>Great win by Newcastle. Like Penrith, they just know how to beat the
>Warriors.
I think most teams have worked out how to beat the Wakas bro.
1/. Turn up.
2/. Play.
It aint exactly rocket science :-)
Oswald P Wrong
You got one here bro.
Ernest the Sheep
it's a day of firsts
Paul Cooper
the rack and went for the two points instead of hammering the line in search
of six.
"Ian Stewart" <newzealan...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Ian Stewart
The binning of Webb was a poor decision. It was made more so by his
refusal to bin any number of Knights players not long after half-time.
Sid will be happy though. The Warriors inability to play % football when
it matters has cost them another game. At least it was an exciting loss.
Ian
> SS
Ian Stewart
> Turning point for me was when leading 6-0 the Warriors had the Knights on
> the rack and went for the two points instead of hammering the line in search
> of six.
I had two defining moments. When Villasanti and Seuseu went to the
bench, and the penalty against the Warriors for the great tackle on O'Davis.
Ian
Richard Edlin
I only heard half the game off the 2GB feed. It sounded like they started
playing percentage football only near the end, and almost pulled off an
undeserved win.
They're a much more dangerous side Where they play the percentages before
(and not instead of) ad lib football. I guess as a player it's probably
nice to see yourself as both unpredictable and uncoachable ... and therefore
someone that doesn't need to work.
My fears are being realised at the moment. The Warriors are really lacking
depth in toughness amongst the forwards and it doesn't sound like Jones is
ready to play yet. Maybe he should take a month's sabbatical too.
Richard.
Ian Stewart
>>Sheepshagger wrote:
>>
>>>"Ian Stewart" <newzealan...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:c58g6a$2aaleg$1...@ID-139113.news.uni-berlin.de...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Warriors 20 v Knights 34
>>>>
>>>>Great win by Newcastle. Like Penrith, they just know how to beat the
>>>>Warriors.
>>>
>>>
>>>Now you know I dont focus on the refs Ian but that fuckwit had a shocker
>
> did
>
>>>you notice when he went upstairs that when both times the video ref went
>
> in
>
>>>favour of the warriors that ref fucking near cried you can bring the
>
> okker
>
>>>to nz but you cant take the okker out of him they still cheating lying
>>>thieving scumbags I dont know how they sleep at night to be honest.
>>
>>The binning of Webb was a poor decision. It was made more so by his
>>refusal to bin any number of Knights players not long after half-time.
>>
>>Sid will be happy though. The Warriors inability to play % football when
>>it matters has cost them another game. At least it was an exciting loss.
>
>
> I only heard half the game off the 2GB feed. It sounded like they started
> playing percentage football only near the end, and almost pulled off an
> undeserved win.
They did it at the beginning as well, Richard.
> They're a much more dangerous side Where they play the percentages before
> (and not instead of) ad lib football.
That's how they got in front early. Basic football with the occasional
off-load that yielded an 8-0 lead. They looked well in control.
>I guess as a player it's probably
> nice to see yourself as both unpredictable and uncoachable ... and therefore
> someone that doesn't need to work.
>
> My fears are being realised at the moment. The Warriors are really lacking
> depth in toughness amongst the forwards
The minute Villa and Jerry went off, the defense softened and the go
forward was gone. It wasn't until they came back on that things turned
around again.
>and it doesn't sound like Jones is
> ready to play yet. Maybe he should take a month's sabbatical too.
19 running meters, 1 40/20 and not much else. Maybe Paul was right about
the Manly game.
Ian
> Richard.
>
>
Sheepshagger
"Oswald P Wrong" <ossie...@spamawayexposures.co.nz> wrote in message
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yea bro I can get the fuckwits to bite too :)
they hate the truth dont they
SS
Sheepshagger
> Sheepshagger wrote:
> > "Ian Stewart" <newzealan...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:c58g6a$2aaleg$1...@ID-139113.news.uni-berlin.de...
> >
> >>Warriors 20 v Knights 34
> >>
> >>Great win by Newcastle. Like Penrith, they just know how to beat the
> >>Warriors.
> >
> >
> > Now you know I dont focus on the refs Ian but that fuckwit had a shocker
did
> > you notice when he went upstairs that when both times the video ref went
in
> > favour of the warriors that ref fucking near cried you can bring the
okker
> > to nz but you cant take the okker out of him they still cheating lying
> > thieving scumbags I dont know how they sleep at night to be honest.
>
> The binning of Webb was a poor decision. It was made more so by his
> refusal to bin any number of Knights players not long after half-time.
As I said Ian you can bring the cheating thieving scumbags here but they
still got the okker in em they should leave there cheating ways at the
airport unfortunately they dont ah well it what ya get for playing in the
comp i spose all we can do is hope that they have some sort of morals I am
still waiting for a level playing field.
> Sid will be happy though. The Warriors inability to play % football when
> it matters has cost them another game. At least it was an exciting loss.
yep at least one person is happy
oh and the cheating okkers of course
SS
>
> Ian
> > SS
>
Paul Cooper
them as best you can. I know that is stating the obvious, but such a simple
idea seems so hard to fathom for some people. You very rarely see a team
take off two performers unless they have the game won. Take one off, give
them a rest then put them back on and let the other one have a rest.
Thought Lyons had an ordinary game, but not helped by the other officials.
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terry.kavanagh
> I think you always have to have your best players on the field, and
> rotate them as best you can. I know that is stating the obvious, but
> such a simple idea seems so hard to fathom for some people. You very
> rarely see a team take off two performers unless they have the game
> won. Take one off, give them a rest then put them back on and let the
> other one have a rest.
or don't start with props of similar attributes. I would start with Seuseu
and Jobson (the former for his enforcing role and the latter for his
no-mistake
go-forward) and bring in Villisanti and Te Mata as replacements.
>
> Thought Lyons had an ordinary game, but not helped by the other
> officials.
He did look a little lost but then he wasn't the only one (on the field).
terry.kavanagh
I have noticed there are certain teams which put the wood on the Warriors.
These teams have a tough set of forwards that take it to the Warriors and
never
relent. These types of teams have beaten us this year (and I put the
Roosters in
this category too). Now that they are temporarily out of the way, the
Warriors
should now string a few together, beginning with the Bulldogs next Friday.
Kav
SharkCRAP
"terry.kavanagh" <terry.k...@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
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> Paul Cooper wrote:
> > I think you always have to have your best players on the field, and
> > rotate them as best you can. I know that is stating the obvious, but
> > such a simple idea seems so hard to fathom for some people. You very
> > rarely see a team take off two performers unless they have the game
> > won. Take one off, give them a rest then put them back on and let the
> > other one have a rest.
>
> or don't start with props of similar attributes. I would start with Seuseu
> and Jobson (the former for his enforcing role and the latter for his
> no-mistake
> go-forward) and bring in Villisanti and Te Mata as replacements.
I think Seuseu has already left for Wigan. The only reason he got his try
was he was having a bludge (offside, mind you).5 hitups in the first half!
Ian's mum might get a start, she'd certainly do better.
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SharkCRAP
DaNRL
Tell me about it ... second upset of the weekend at this rate I'll be living
on the streets ;-p
Daniel.
paul
<newzealan...@hotmail.com> wrote:
This was a most entertaining game, as an unbiased observer. It could
have gone either way. The Warriors blew an outstanding opportunity to
put on a good lead when Newcastle decided to wait 15 minutes before
coming onto the field. The Warriors then reciprocated by leaving for
oranges 15 minutes early.
Warriors piling on the pressure, down by just 4 points in the closing
stages. Intercept try by beefy Knights forward who ran 95 metres won
it. Surprising Toopi couldn't catch him. Is this the fastest bloke
you've got?
Warriors supporters should be fuming that the side leaked a further
converted try from the kick off.
Webb was stiff to be sin binned but it made no difference to the final
result.
paul
Richard Edlin
"terry.kavanagh" <terry.k...@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
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> > I think you always have to have your best players on the field, and
> > rotate them as best you can. I know that is stating the obvious, but
> > such a simple idea seems so hard to fathom for some people. You very
> > rarely see a team take off two performers unless they have the game
> > won. Take one off, give them a rest then put them back on and let the
> > other one have a rest.
> or don't start with props of similar attributes. I would start with Seuseu
> and Jobson (the former for his enforcing role and the latter for his
> no-mistake
> go-forward) and bring in Villisanti and Te Mata as replacements.
I think they are missing Swann's relative solidity off the bench. To adjust
for this, I'd probably put Vinnie Anderson into that role - he's not small
and is a good tackler and Martin provides a replacement.
I think that's probably more like it. I think the Warriors need to play
with a set (and probably tight) gameplan as to what they'll try to do at
different stages of a game. They tend to start games well and then have
half an hour where only their opposition scores ... and I suspect that part
of the problem is that they take the foot off the accelerator and try too
many things. What does everyone think?
One way of doing it may be to split the forwards into "teams". Use
Lauitiiti sparingly - the first 20 and last 30 of a match onl. In the rest,
tell Faumuina that he's a RUNNING forward - and to offload only after he's
hit the line. Make it a matter of pride amongst the guys like Jobson,
Koopu, Guttenbeil and Anderson (+ Betham, when back) that they don't give up
any more than 12 points to the opposition through the middle half hour of
the game.
The best thing about having a period where the team doesn't expect to
score - except where the other team screws up - is that it takes a lot of
pressure off them. Why push the risky pass when the team's job is to
contain and keep things tight for when the coach says "attack"? Play with
almost counter-attack strategy for when the other team makes errors, and
rely on getting good field position and repeat sets for any points they get.
A strategy like this might also start to put pressure on the other team.
Suppose you're in the middle period. If you know that the team in front of
you is just waiting to unleash following a substitution or two and probably
won't make too many errors for you to capitalise on now. They (probably)
have a lead and will probably score again once the substitutions are made.
This makes it crucial to score now but they're not making errors - and so
you are forced to play more adventurously. These teams will make errors
themselves, which improves field position and makes the Warriors' job
easier.
Of course, Daniel Anderson can always change the times players are on or off
... which makes it more difficult for the other team just to last until the
first guys come off/return to rely on mistakes happening. At the moment, I
think the Warriors are try to much, making too many errors, and inviting the
other team just to wait. This puts the pressure on the Warriors. I suggest
Daniel Anderson should try to turn that on its head.
Richard.
SharkCRAP
"Richard Edlin" <ric...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I'd narrow it down even further. The props aren't doing what they are
supposed to do. Jones isn't fit and as a result there is no link between the
scrum and the backline. The new gameplan is give it to Ali/Sione whoever is
out on the left and that's it.
Put Jobson & Te Mata in at starting prop, dump Jerry and put Vigilante on
notice. Latu is special he kept Buderus quiet all night. Put Leuluai in at
halfback and Hohaia at stand off. Bring Jones back when he's fit.Hohaia is
the only stand-off they have. Leuluai is a halfback and fuck knows what
Ropati is.
Where their huge loss has been is in the cumulative effect that the loss of
Campion and Swann have had.
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Ian Stewart
> Intercept try by beefy Knights forward who ran 95 metres won
> it. Surprising Toopi couldn't catch him. Is this the fastest bloke
> you've got?
No.
You obviously watched the game closely paul, I'd have thought you'd have
noticed his 24 tackles and 15 hit ups during the game. The guy was
basically knackered and had nothing left.
He was one of the better performers on saturday night.
Ian
> paul
Richard Edlin
"SharkCRAP" <sha...@tw.uk> wrote in message news:4079...@clear.net.nz...
> I'd narrow it down even further. The props aren't doing what they are
> supposed to do. Jones isn't fit and as a result there is no link between
the
> scrum and the backline. The new gameplan is give it to Ali/Sione whoever
is
> out on the left and that's it.
> Put Jobson & Te Mata in at starting prop, dump Jerry and put Vigilante on
> notice.
I'd keep one of Jerry and Villa as starters. You need to have experience in
one of the props.
> Latu is special he kept Buderus quiet all night. Put Leuluai in at
> halfback and Hohaia at stand off. Bring Jones back when he's fit.Hohaia is
> the only stand-off they have. Leuluai is a halfback and fuck knows what
> Ropati is.
If Hohaia's not the standoff, then Jones is as the most experienced
halfback. Jones isn't fit enough to play there yet, so I'd agree that send
Jones off to get well. The problem is that I'm not totally sure that Hohaia
can play yet and so Jones is probably playing at 50% because that's still
considered better than sticking someone else in that has no experience. If
so, I think the last 5 weeks have shown that this ploy isn't doing Jones any
favours. Stick a young guy in but try to get Jones in playing shape for
mid-May. Perenara the younger?
I don't think Jerome Ropati has played much in the halves before last
season's injury crisis. He may be worth a go in his specialist position.
(The Warriors official site lists him as a centre/fullback doesn't mean that
he's not played in the halves all his life. I suspect the official site is
maintained by the only people in the world who think that Jones can play in
the second row.)
> Where their huge loss has been is in the cumulative effect that the loss
of
> Campion and Swann have had.
Yep. They need to refocus the forwards on playing with grunt ... they had
Campion, Guttenbeil and Swann together, with 2 on the field and one on the
bench at most points. The Warriors still have Guttenbeil (who's now a
better player, I think) but need to use their squad and identify who will
fill the other two roles. I suspect Koopu is one of the answers and I would
try Anderson as the other (starting from the bench). Either that, or Te
Mata plays in his listed position or maybe Sullivan ?
Drop Lauitiiti and make it known that for the next 10 rounds, there's direct
competition between him and Faumuina
Side vs Bullpigs (assuming Hohaia's not fit yet but that Meli is - and
someone young if Meli is not ready)
Webb, Faafili, Martin, Toopi, Meli, Perenara, Leuluai; Koopu, Guttenbeil,
Faumuina, Jobson, Latu, Villasanti
Subs: Temata (Prop), V. Anderson (2nd row), Lauaki (Prop) + 1 young player
to allow Latu to have a spell (poss. a fullback to relieve Webb, or a
ballplaying forward with Faumuina going to hooker).
Assume that you've got three subs and stick the young guy at some stage.
In 1 month:
Webb, Faafili, Martin, Toopi, Meli, Hohaia, Jones; Koopu, Guttenbeil,
Faumuina, Jobson, Latu, Villasanti
Subs: Temata (Prop), Seuseu (Prop), V. Anderson (2nd row/Backline), Betham
(Hooker).
Richard
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living
> on the streets ;-p
>
Not I. Thankfully Starcraft, Mummify and Dance Hero all weren't upset.
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Yep.
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terry.kavanagh
That makes a hella lot of sense, Richard.
terry.kavanagh
Nah, Monty has to start and finish the job
Danish Moo Cow
> paul wrote:
>
> > Intercept try by beefy Knights forward who ran 95 metres won
> > it. Surprising Toopi couldn't catch him. Is this the fastest bloke
> > you've got?
>
> No.
>
> You obviously watched the game closely paul, I'd have thought you'd have
> noticed his 24 tackles and 15 hit ups during the game. The guy was
> basically knackered and had nothing left.
Abraham also had time off the field during the game and is a former outside
back. He just doesn't get a chance to run out wide with Kennedy and Simpson
the main runners for Newcastle, which is a shame.
DMC.
Danish Moo Cow
> Warriors 20 v Knights 34
>
> Great win by Newcastle. Like Penrith, they just know how to beat the
> Warriors.
>
> Bastards. :-)
A good game of footy I thought. Newcastle still needs to keep their heads
on when the pressure gets going, some poor 5th tackle options out there and
a bit of dropped ball. But their defence stepped up a notch from recent
weeks which was the highlight.
Looks like the Warriors have forgotten how to win games. They had a number
of players playing well but still couldn't get the job done. Jones had his
best game against the Knights that I can remember, and their forwards more
than matched us, yet it seemed they didn't have it in them to win. Unlucky
with that O'Davis tackle penalty, but I thought the binning was justified.
He was a mile offside before he made the tackle. The Warriors played pretty
bloody well without Webb on the field anyway.
Anyway, very entertaining match.
DMC.
Greg Vincent }:c{»
terry.kavanagh wrote:
>
> SharkCRAP wrote:
>> "Richard Edlin" <ric...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:c5beld$f9v$1...@hermes.shef.ac.uk...
>>>
>>>
>>> Webb, Faafili, Martin, Toopi, Meli, Hohaia, Jones; Koopu,
>>> Guttenbeil, Faumuina, Jobson, Latu, Villasanti
>>> Subs: Temata (Prop), Seuseu (Prop), V. Anderson (2nd row/Backline),
>>> Betham (Hooker).
>>
>> Yep.
>
> Nah, Monty has to start and finish the job
Yep, no half swinging arms about it.
terry.kavanagh
"Greg Vincent }:c{»" <asrl_g...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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That's why he got injured - half-hearted attempt to wrap up the ball
carrier.
>
>
DaNRL
> That's why he got injured - half-hearted attempt to decapitate the ball
> carrier.
Typo fixed
Daniel.
Jack Lamb
Kav.
This post has all the hallmarks of several of your others.
Please let us know now: - you are really a troll, aren't you?
Broncos' loss of two points / Betham's thuggery / Blameless Catholics /
Slutty Coffs Harbour groupies, etc., etc....
You're really kidding, aren't you?
Jack Lamb
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>
> "Ian Stewart" <newzealan...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > Warriors 20 v Knights 34
> >
> > Great win by Newcastle. Like Penrith, they just know how to beat the
> > Warriors.
> >
> > Bastards. :-)
>
> A good game of footy I thought. Newcastle still needs to keep their heads
> on when the pressure gets going, some poor 5th tackle options out there
and
> a bit of dropped ball. But their defence stepped up a notch from recent
> weeks which was the highlight.
>
> Looks like the Warriors have forgotten how to win games. They had a
number
> of players playing well but still couldn't get the job done. Jones had
his
> best game against the Knights that I can remember, and their forwards more
> than matched us, yet it seemed they didn't have it in them to win.
Unlucky
> with that O'Davis tackle penalty, but I thought the binning was justified.
> He was a mile offside before he made the tackle.
I'll agree with you on that one.
This was a great match for comedic value, anyway. The home games for the
Warriors always are, due to the input of Halligan / Ropati / McIvor.
I particularly enjoyed the 'ebbs and lows' call, among others (and there
were several). NZ's union commentators are nothing special (is Murray
Mexted still embarassing the nation?), but the NRL team make them look
untouchable.
terry.kavanagh
Everything I write has an element of truth and an element of looking for a
reaction.
I like to look at situations from another angle, particularly if everyone is
pushing
a point of view. Debate is healthy and we all learn from taking in other's
opinions.
Is that what you refer to as a troll?
Kav
Greg Vincent }:c{»
Attempt to wrap up the ball? LOL.
The only ball he attempted to wrap up was Civo's left eye ball.
Greg Vincent }:c{»
There was nothing half-hearted about that.
Greg Vincent }:c{»
Don't forget it was Marteene's fault for getting kneed in the head.
Richard Edlin
I don't think so - Betham's a very good player to force the rest of the team
to defend in the middle period of the game. That's his strength and I think
that means he doesn't start the game, and won't close it out unless the game
is very close.
Richard.
Richard Edlin
> Richard Edlin wrote:
> > "terry.kavanagh" <terry.k...@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
> > news:5g2ec.11561$d%6.19...@news.xtra.co.nz...
> > Of course, Daniel Anderson can always change the times players are on
> > or off ... which makes it more difficult for the other team just to
> > last until the first guys come off/return to rely on mistakes
> > happening. At the moment, I think the Warriors are try to much,
> > making too many errors, and inviting the other team just to wait.
> > This puts the pressure on the Warriors. I suggest Daniel Anderson
> > should try to turn that on its head.
> That makes a hella lot of sense, Richard.
There are one or two things to be learnt from the NFL. There is a natural
rivalry between different sets (literally "teams") of players within a club
and its easy to see who's letting the side down. What I'm trying to suggest
is using what I'd imagine to be a close club environment to enforce pride
and rivalry in getting the job done.
Richard.
terry.kavanagh
Monty is the captain (and no one else gets close) so he starts.
If he needs a break, it will be short-lived if the game is in the balance.
He must be there at the death to rally the troops.
Kav
terry.kavanagh
The trend this year for the Warriors is to take an early lead with some good
play
and then relinquish it by unforced errors. There has got to be changes made
to
the way they play in this period. ie go back to a basic plan where the
forwards
dominate particularly on defence, maintain the pressure with tough,
mistake-free
football and patiently wait for the opposition to crack. The trend of
letting the other
side score next following a Warriors' try must be reversed. If they have to
play boring
football to do it, then so be it. The forced passes can come after they have
a 12 point lead,
not before. Anderson just has to curb their impetuosity (I couldn't think of
another word)
by dragging off guys who don't toe the line.
Kav
Jack Lamb
>
> Kav
Typos corrected.
terry.kavanagh
You're just being provocative, Jack - isn't that troll-like?.
Richard Edlin
> Monty is the captain (and no one else gets close) so he starts.
> If he needs a break, it will be short-lived if the game is in the balance.
> He must be there at the death to rally the troops.
I think he's an ideal club captain because he seems to pull them together
and motivate them - the period where he acted as the watercarrier gave some
insights into his leadership abilities. I'm not convinced about him as the
on-field captain though because I don't think he's valuable enough as a
player to be an 80 minute option.
Richard.
Richard.
terry.kavanagh
Have a look at how they are going without him.
Richard Edlin
> Have a look at how they are going without him.
Do you include previous seasons in that?
Richard.
terry.kavanagh
No, I'll stick to the current situation thanks
Jack Lamb
Yep.
I don't have a problem with someone trolling, though.
The post to which you are referring was intended to establish whether or not
you were, in fact, serious with your opinions, which sometimes seem so
inexplicable as to appear to be trolling exercises.
"HTH". ;o)
terry.kavanagh
When it comes to morality, I never joke.
When it comes to football, I may do so but not on the important issues.
Jack Lamb
I'm past caring about alternative opinions on the Broncos' points thieving
issue right now - and I'm well aware of your opinion (hey, you copied it off
a journalist, after all).
The important issue to me is that the Broncos replaced a (medicab-borne)
player injured by an act of blatant foul play after the referee restarted
play (and, according to their video evidence, after he was allowed to go on
the third time he tried to join a twelve man side).
As I recall, the crux of your argument involved an 'advantage' to the
Broncos - an advantage they lost through the stoppage of play after Bryce
Gibbs' (sp?) high shot.
You're wrong, Kav, and many footie fans who admit to a hatred of my team
will agree. Just like you're wrong about your opinion on 'induced' rapes,
and just like you're wrong on your opinion on players who knee opposing team
members in the head (credit GV for reminder), and your blind denial of the
offences of Catholic 'priests' - etc., etc., ad nauseum.
I'm no left-winger, but you really take the cake. Is your head made of
wood?
Sheepshagger
> I'm no left-winger, but you really take the cake. Is your head made of
> wood?
wood'nt you like to know ;)
SS
>
>
Richard Edlin
> No, I'll stick to the current situation thanks
In that case, I'll stck to the Manly game then :-)
Richard.
terry.kavanagh
That journalist knows his football
>
> The important issue to me is that the Broncos replaced a
> (medicab-borne) player injured by an act of blatant foul play after
> the referee restarted play (and, according to their video evidence,
> after he was allowed to go on the third time he tried to join a
> twelve man side).
Did Hayne restart play on his own accord or on the instigation of
Darren Lockyer?
>
> As I recall, the crux of your argument involved an 'advantage' to the
> Broncos - an advantage they lost through the stoppage of play after
Bryce Gibbs' (sp?) high shot.
They actually regained the advantage through a penalty.
Then they compounded the advantage by Parker coming on (and in fact
scoring a try after creating an extra man) without official sanction.
>
> You're wrong, Kav, and many footie fans who admit to a hatred of my
> team will agree. Just like you're wrong about your opinion on
> 'induced' rapes, and just like you're wrong on your opinion on
> players who knee opposing team members in the head (credit GV for
> reminder), and your blind denial of the offences of Catholic
> 'priests' - etc., etc., ad nauseum.
It's all a matter of opinion, Jack
There are at least two sides to every question; it's just at this point in
time
that you are on the opposite side to me on the big issues of the day.
Keep an open mind mate and you might agree with me one day.
Kav
terry.kavanagh
Yeah, top marks Richard
Kav (left high and dry in the unpainted corner)
Jack Lamb
> Jack Lamb wrote:
> > "terry.kavanagh" <terry.k...@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
> > news:2a7fc.14739$d%6.26...@news.xtra.co.nz...
Snip
> >>>> You're just being provocative, Jack - isn't that troll-like?.
> >>>
> >>> Yep.
> >>>
> >>> I don't have a problem with someone trolling, though.
> >>>
> >>> The post to which you are referring was intended to establish
> >>> whether or not you were, in fact, serious with your opinions, which
> >>> sometimes seem so inexplicable as to appear to be trolling
> >>> exercises.
> >>>
> >>> "HTH". ;o)
> >>
> >> When it comes to morality, I never joke.
> >> When it comes to football, I may do so but not on the important
> >> issues.
> >
> > I'm past caring about alternative opinions on the Broncos' points
> > thieving issue right now - and I'm well aware of your opinion (hey,
> > you copied it off a journalist, after all).
>
> That journalist knows his football
That journalist is a noted agenda setter, and I would struggle to remember a
pro-Broncos article which he has written.
I wonder what your opinion would be had it been the Warriors who'd been
dudded. And a dudding it was, make no mistake. Really.
> >
> > The important issue to me is that the Broncos replaced a
> > (medicab-borne) player injured by an act of blatant foul play after
> > the referee restarted play (and, according to their video evidence,
> > after he was allowed to go on the third time he tried to join a
> > twelve man side).
>
> Did Hayne restart play on his own accord or on the instigation of
> Darren Lockyer?
Immaterial. He shouldn't have done so, and is an incompetent buffoon.
> >
> > As I recall, the crux of your argument involved an 'advantage' to the
> > Broncos - an advantage they lost through the stoppage of play after
> Bryce Gibbs' (sp?) high shot.
>
> They actually regained the advantage through a penalty.
> Then they compounded the advantage by Parker coming on (and in fact
> scoring a try after creating an extra man) without official sanction.
>
> >
> > You're wrong, Kav, and many footie fans who admit to a hatred of my
> > team will agree. Just like you're wrong about your opinion on
> > 'induced' rapes, and just like you're wrong on your opinion on
> > players who knee opposing team members in the head (credit GV for
> > reminder), and your blind denial of the offences of Catholic
> > 'priests' - etc., etc., ad nauseum.
>
> It's all a matter of opinion, Jack
> There are at least two sides to every question; it's just at this point in
> time
> that you are on the opposite side to me on the big issues of the day.
> Keep an open mind mate and you might agree with me one day.
>
> Kav
It seems a lot of people are on the opposite side to you on some of the big
issues of the day. Wonder why that is? The words 'sense' and 'common' come
to mind, in no particular order.
I respect your right to hold your ridiculously-18th-century views, but will
continue to disagree with them. I do, however, admit to some admiration for
the courage with which you propagate them.
> > I'm no left-winger, but you really take the cake. Is your head made
> > of wood?
And I stand by that question :o)
terry.kavanagh
It's done you guys a favour - the Broncos have been unbeaten since.
The Warriors were dudded in 95 but we've stopped talking about it.
>
>
>>>
>>> The important issue to me is that the Broncos replaced a
>>> (medicab-borne) player injured by an act of blatant foul play after
>>> the referee restarted play (and, according to their video evidence,
>>> after he was allowed to go on the third time he tried to join a
>>> twelve man side).
>>
>> Did Hayne restart play on his own accord or on the instigation of
>> Darren Lockyer?
>
> Immaterial. He shouldn't have done so, and is an incompetent buffoon.
Well if Darren indicated he wanted to take the penalty straight away, why
would Shayne Hayne stand in his way?
>
>
>>>
>>> As I recall, the crux of your argument involved an 'advantage' to
>>> the Broncos - an advantage they lost through the stoppage of play
>>> after
>> Bryce Gibbs' (sp?) high shot.
>>
>> They actually regained the advantage through a penalty.
>> Then they compounded the advantage by Parker coming on (and in fact
>> scoring a try after creating an extra man) without official sanction.
>>
>>>
>>> You're wrong, Kav, and many footie fans who admit to a hatred of my
>>> team will agree. Just like you're wrong about your opinion on
>>> 'induced' rapes, and just like you're wrong on your opinion on
>>> players who knee opposing team members in the head (credit GV for
>>> reminder), and your blind denial of the offences of Catholic
>>> 'priests' - etc., etc., ad nauseum.
>>
>> It's all a matter of opinion, Jack
>> There are at least two sides to every question; it's just at this
>> point in time
>> that you are on the opposite side to me on the big issues of the day.
>> Keep an open mind mate and you might agree with me one day.
>>
>> Kav
>
> It seems a lot of people are on the opposite side to you on some of
> the big issues of the day. Wonder why that is? The words 'sense'
> and 'common' come to mind, in no particular order.
Perhaps common sense has been warped somewhat by the general
lowering of moral standards, less respect for authority and less belief
in God.
Kav