England pleads with its drunken yobbos to lay off Ponting
Dave -Turner
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ENGLAND has pleaded with its drunken fans to behave themselves and stop the
ugly taunting and jeering of Australian cricket skipper Ricky Ponting.
Even Barmy Army bosses say the incessant booing of Ponting during the Ashes
has been "out of order" and now England and Wales Cricket Board bosses are
taking stern action.
ECB chairman Giles Clarke has penned an open letter, in the official program
for tomorrow's fourth Test at Headingley, demanding that fans lay off
Ponting and the Australian team.
Mr Clarke writes that Ponting has "earned the respect and courtesy" of the
crowd and that the game "may never see his like again".
Ponting, almost certainly on his last Ashes tour, has been booed and abused
from Cardiff to Edgbaston and former Test opener Justin Langer has labelled
fans a "disgrace".
"These people stand behind a fence drinking beer with most of them 50 kilos
overweight making ridiculous comments," Langer fumed.
Ponting's frustrations at the crowd abuse may have bubbled over with an
English newspaper reporting he kicked the dressingroom door after being
dismissed by Graeme Swann's wonder ball at Edgbaston.
However team bosses denied the claims, saying no disciplinary action would
be taken and ground officials also insisted there had been no complaints.
Cricket officials here are now desperate for the abuse of Ponting to stop
before it gets out of hand.
They have launched a security crackdown for the Headingley Test amid
concerns the abuse could reach new levels at the Leeds ground with a
reputation for rowdy behaviour.
Headingley ground officials fear there could be a repeat of the drunken
antics last year where 81 people were ejected from the infamous West Stand
during a Test between England and South Africa.
They have put in place bold new measures, including employing "spotters" to
roam beer stalls to throw out drunken yobbos.
Other measures include jugs of tap water on bars to encourage people to take
a break from boozing, a soft-drinks-only bar near the family stand and a
no-alcohol area.
Barmy Army general manager Katy Cooke agrees the booing of Ponting has been
over the top.
"The booing was out of order and it did not come from our area," Cooke said.
Meanwhile, Michael Clarke's failure to train yesterday has again exposed the
folly of Australia's failure to select an extra specialist batsman in its
unbalanced and injury-hit Ashes squad.
Australia's vice-captain and Ashes top runscorer is struggling with a
stomach strain and is having constant treatment to be fit for the pivotal
fourth Test.
Brett Lee is also making a desperate if unlikely bid to play while England
is still assessing whether Andrew Flintoff will have time for his battered
right knee to recover.
Australia claims Clarke is in no serious doubt, though there must be some
concerns given he was not training with his Australian teammates at Leeds
yesterday.
If Clarke's condition worsens and he is ruled out, Australia will be caught
short after picking a bowler and all-rounder-heavy 16-man Ashes squad. It
could be forced into resurrecting the Test career of opener Phillip Hughes
and shuffling makeshift opener Shane Watson into the middle-order.
England's concerns over Flintoff are highlighted by the fact that batsman
Jonathan Trott has been called up as cover.
Trott, who is distantly related to the former Australian and England
all-rounder Albert Trott of more than a century ago, is another of England's
South African-born players behind the injured Kevin Pietersen and captain
Andrew Strauss.
He is averaging almost 100 in first-class cricket this season, but has not
featured in an England squad since two Twenty20 matches against the West
Indies in 2007.
Mike Gooding
> http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/world/england-begs-fans-to-lay-...
> ky-ponting/story-e6frev00-1225758406715
>
> ENGLAND has pleaded with its drunken fans to behave themselves and stop the
> ugly taunting and jeering of Australian cricket skipper Ricky Ponting.
>
>
> "These people stand behind a fence drinking beer with most of them 50 kilos
> overweight making ridiculous comments," Langer fumed.
>
I don't think we need lessons in how to behave from the likes of
Langer.
Mike Gooding
-------------------
Dave -Turner
kilos
>> overweight making ridiculous comments," Langer fumed.
>I don't think we need lessons in how to behave from the
> likes of Langer.
rofl, what did Langer ever do that was so bad???
Anyway it's the ECB and the Barmy Army heads that are calling on England's
drunken yobbos to pull their heads in, not me.
Bongo
True. What's with the sudden need to police fan behavior as long as it
is not physically hurting the players/other spectators ? Was at the
WACA last year during the SAF series, and Aussie fans were hurling
some really colorful language at Harris. Its all part of being there
in the middle.
Mind you, the Aussie fans weren't even drunk by then. (they were too
busy with the beer glass snakes to taunt anyone once they got
pissed).
> Mike Gooding
> -------------------
Bob Dubery
> http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/world/england-begs-fans-to-lay-...
>
> ENGLAND has pleaded with its drunken fans to behave themselves and stop the
> ugly taunting and jeering of Australian cricket skipper Ricky Ponting.
>
> Even Barmy Army bosses say the incessant booing of Ponting during the Ashes
> has been "out of order" and now England and Wales Cricket Board bosses are
> taking stern action.
>
> ECB chairman Giles Clarke has penned an open letter, in the official program
> for tomorrow's fourth Test at Headingley, demanding that fans lay off
> Ponting and the Australian team.
>
> Mr Clarke writes that Ponting has "earned the respect and courtesy" of the
> crowd and that the game "may never see his like again".
>
> Ponting, almost certainly on his last Ashes tour, has been booed and abused
> from Cardiff to Edgbaston and former Test opener Justin Langer has labelled
> fans a "disgrace".
>
> "These people stand behind a fence drinking beer with most of them 50 kilos
> overweight making ridiculous comments," Langer fumed.
Did Langer ever complain or even comment on overweight fans at
Australian grounds drinking too much beer and making ridiculous
comments?
For some years Australia have played cricket in a way that is
calculated to put the opposition off their stroke. Visiting cricketers
have been heckled, in one case food was even thrown at a visiting
player fielding on the boundary.
Now an Australian player gets a booing and that's not on.
It's a bit rich.
What are they going to do next? Insist that the 12th man run ahead of
Flintoff with a red flag when there's a bouncer coming?
Dave -Turner
The ECB and the heads of the Barmy Army disagree.
Maxx
just a joke actually. All in good fun.
David Male
<mega...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Did Langer ever complain
snip whine.
Lesson 101 in Obfusciation and Failure to Address
Poms were complaining about Poms, Bob
Jellore
> Well it aint gonna happen. The more they do it the more it turns into
> just a joke actually. All in good fun.
Let us hope that the good folk of Leeds get stuck right into Ponting
as he makes his way to the middle. I have attended Test matches in
Australia every year since 1992, and generally speaking the fans
treatment of overseas players is disgraceful. I have no sympathy at
all with what is happening in England.
Jellore
> > It's a bit rich.
>
> The ECB and the heads of the Barmy Army disagree.
Are really that silly? These are merely trite, PR exercises.
Maxx
Watch Ponting have a big grin on his face though and the crowd will
love him for it.
dechucka
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crap, next
Andrew Dunford
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Haven't seen Ponting smiling much during the current tour.
To me the English justifications of "your crowds in Australia are always
animals so it's ok for ours to be so too" rather misses the point, which is
that they should judge themselves by their own standards, not against the
lowest common denominator elsewhere.
Andrew
Cicero
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The Barmy Army has a manager? Is that person responsible for reminding them
of the words of their song (all 5 of them).
Bob Dubery
> > It's a bit rich.
>
> The ECB and the heads of the Barmy Army disagree.
They're not the hypocrites here. Though to be fair the only Australian
identifiable as a whinger here is Langer. He's certainly seen all this
before but didn't get on his high horse until Oz were on the receiving
end.
Gilly's Danda
> >> "These people stand behind a fence drinking beer with most of them 50
> kilos
> >> overweight making ridiculous comments," Langer fumed.
> >I don't think we need lessons in how to behave from the
> > likes of Langer.
>
> rofl, what did Langer ever do that was so bad???
Bail-flicking expert.
A
Gilly's Danda
Standard Australian Cricket mentality. Be a dickhead when you're
winning, and then put it all down to being in the spirit of the game
and having a laugh. Same thing happens to when you're losing and make
a hue and cry about it.
A [ They used to call Hadlee a wanker, too. ]
dechucka
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you can prove he never did?
Gilly's Danda
> http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/world/england-begs-fans-to-lay-...
>
> ENGLAND has pleaded with its drunken fans to behave themselves and stop the
> ugly taunting and jeering of Australian cricket skipper Ricky Ponting.
>
> Even Barmy Army bosses say the incessant booing of Ponting during the Ashes
> has been "out of order" and now England and Wales Cricket Board bosses are
> taking stern action.
>
> ECB chairman Giles Clarke has penned an open letter, in the official program
> for tomorrow's fourth Test at Headingley, demanding that fans lay off
> Ponting and the Australian team.
>
> Mr Clarke writes that Ponting has "earned the respect and courtesy" of the
> crowd and that the game "may never see his like again".
>
> Ponting, almost certainly on his last Ashes tour, has been booed and abused
> from Cardiff to Edgbaston and former Test opener Justin Langer has labelled
> fans a "disgrace".
>
> "These people stand behind a fence drinking beer with most of them 50 kilos
> overweight making ridiculous comments," Langer fumed.
>
> Ponting's frustrations at the crowd abuse may have bubbled over with an
> English newspaper reporting he kicked the dressingroom door after being
> dismissed by Graeme Swann's wonder ball at Edgbaston.
Can't you all see that this is a piss-take? The English know that
Punter's hurting from the likelihood of losing two Ashes in England on
the trot. So of course they add insult to injury by emasculating him
and deeming that he can't handle the jandle. Not only is he a loser,
he's also a whining little bitch.
A [ The day of the Chav is nigh upon us. ]
Gilly's Danda
> "Gilly's Danda" <finallyfinis...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Yes. Why would you, when there are so many sheep around Christchurch?
A [ Interested in Moby's thoughts on Turner's full-scale cut-and-paste
job. ]
JC
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Would that happen to be your own mob Andrew??
Iirc not to long ago crowds couldn't get their message across by just
verbally abusing players, they had to throw dangerous objects including beer
bottles and golf balls at players in an odi match.
>
> Andrew
Dipak Jones
Wouldn't it be better to raise the standards rather than have a
childish tit for tat?
dechucka
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I agree so ner ner the ner ner to the poms
Krquet
> http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/world/england-begs-fans-to-lay-off-ric
> ky-ponting/story-e6frev00-1225758406715
>
>
> Mr Clarke writes that Ponting has "earned the respect and courtesy" of the
> crowd and that the game "may never see his like again".
>
Mr. Clarke made it sound like that's a bad thing.
<ducks>
Just an inane joke, ere anyone may get worked up.
In all seriousness, I like Ponting. I consider him a fine and gifted
player who, more often than not, has allowed his bat to answer the
critics and the stats warriors; not so sure about his captaincy
though. Transition times be darned, Border he probably is not.
Whenever he may retire though, he will be missed. And here's hoping,
his won't be the last of his kind still.
aA...
hl@yM..
Bob Dubery
> Haven't seen Ponting smiling much during the current tour.
>
> To me the English justifications of "your crowds in Australia are always
> animals so it's ok for ours to be so too" rather misses the point, which is
> that they should judge themselves by their own standards, not against the
> lowest common denominator elsewhere.
That's fair enough, though they haven't descended to the sort of
behaviour that we had at the Wanderers a few year agos - with yobs
spitting at Australian players as they walked off the field. They also
managed to douse Steve Waugh with beer.
But Langer's complaints are a bit rich. He's seen this kind of stuff
before, but with teams other than Australia being on the receiving
end, and he wasn't complaining then about overweight fans who'd had
too much to drink.
I would be surprised if the culprits here are the Barmy Army. They
can't afford to have any kind of bad behaviour in their ranks because
they need to rely on good will to get the sort of block bookings that
they want. Last time they were in SA for a Test series there was an
incident of racist behaviour and damage to property from a single
person travelling with the BA and they moved quickly to condemn what
he'd done and to force him out of their touring party. They also got
involved in charitable activities whilst on that tour (even to the
extent of hiring a hall and organising a piss-up/disco to raise funds
for victims of the tsunami that hit Sri Lanka) and generally made a
point of making friends and showing respect to whichever communities
they were in.
dechucka
"Bob Dubery" <mega...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Aug 6, 2:34 am, "Andrew Dunford" <adunf...@artifax.net> wrote:
> Haven't seen Ponting smiling much during the current tour.
>
> To me the English justifications of "your crowds in Australia are always
> animals so it's ok for ours to be so too" rather misses the point, which
> is
> that they should judge themselves by their own standards, not against the
> lowest common denominator elsewhere.
That's fair enough, though they haven't descended to the sort of
behaviour that we had at the Wanderers a few year agos - with yobs
spitting at Australian players as they walked off the field. They also
managed to douse Steve Waugh with beer.
======================================
only complaint was that it was crap NZ beer which obviously even the "fan"
couldn't stomach
Ben Gussey
Nice try idiot. I'll let Ponting himself burn you.
But Ponting, writing in The Daily Telegraph, did not appear too
concerned by the boos, which he said he was "half-expecting".
And he labelled the Barmy Army, the much criticised and vocal England
supporters group as "the best sporting crowd in the world".
"There is never anything untoward," Ponting said.
"It is always good, light-hearted stuff, and when England have a sniff
of winning the volume goes up tenfold.
"They add a lot to the whole experience of the Ashes.
Gilly's Danda
That proves rather than negates my point. I'm not the one calling
Ponting a whining little bitch on this occasion. (Even if he is,
albeit not for this.) It's the English press and Cricket establishment
who are making the insinuation. The Sydney Telegraph has swallowed
hook, line, and sinker.
It's clearly schoolyard mentality: the only thing worse than being the
kid who had the shit kicked out of you is being the kid who has the
shit kicked out of you, cries to your mother, who tells the
headmaster, who tells the whole school to lay off. (Which then spirals
into getting the shit kicked out of you for being the kid who
complains to his mother.) Ponting may or may not have kicked the door
in. By Langer (playing the protective friend warding off the bullies)
complaining about it vocally and Clarke and the Barmy Army asking
people to lay off, it makes it seem as though he can't handle it. The
English have obviously learned about mental disintegration from
somewhere ...
Ponting has done the smart thing by claiming he's ok with it all -
it's damage control. The fact that this organ of Rupert Murdoch's has
given this story any credence whatsoever doesn't help Ponting. The
fact that this ever-balanced and reasonable Turner has even bothered
to post this story (accompanied by dechucka's lucid and grammatically
coherent comments) makes it seem as though some Australian fans seem
to agree with the English and Langer; they also want to play the role
of the friend protecting their former alcoholic and whining captain
from schoolyard beatings.
As to your own misunderstanding of human psychology, the only
adjective I can readily conjure is - how shall we put this politely -
utterly retarded.
A
JC
"Bob Dubery" <mega...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Haven't seen Ponting smiling much during the current tour.
>
> To me the English justifications of "your crowds in Australia are always
> animals so it's ok for ours to be so too" rather misses the point, which
> is
> that they should judge themselves by their own standards, not against the
> lowest common denominator elsewhere.
That's fair enough, though they haven't descended to the sort of
behaviour that we had at the Wanderers a few year agos - with yobs
spitting at Australian players as they walked off the field. They also
managed to douse Steve Waugh with beer.
But Langer's complaints are a bit rich. He's seen this kind of stuff
before, but with teams other than Australia being on the receiving
end, and he wasn't complaining then about overweight fans who'd had
too much to drink.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Langer over the last few years has become a bit of tool, and i don't think
there are too many who share many of his views.
It will interesting to see if he plays for WA this summer
http://tinyurl.com/myaqms.
Anyway, Ponting and Watson don't seem too fussed about the booing
http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,25890501-23212,00.html?from=public_rss
Mango
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> http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/world/england-begs-fans-to-lay-off-ric
> ky-ponting/story-e6frev00-1225758406715
>
> ENGLAND has pleaded with its drunken fans to behave themselves and stop
> the
> ugly taunting and jeering of Australian cricket skipper Ricky Ponting.
>
Thats a dog whistle if ever I've heard one.
Andrew Dunford
"Bob Dubery" <mega...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Aug 6, 2:34 am, "Andrew Dunford" <adunf...@artifax.net> wrote:
>
>> Haven't seen Ponting smiling much during the current tour.
>>
>> To me the English justifications of "your crowds in Australia are always
>> animals so it's ok for ours to be so too" rather misses the point, which
>> is
>> that they should judge themselves by their own standards, not against the
>> lowest common denominator elsewhere.
>
> That's fair enough, though they haven't descended to the sort of
> behaviour that we had at the Wanderers a few year agos - with yobs
> spitting at Australian players as they walked off the field. They also
> managed to douse Steve Waugh with beer.
>
> But Langer's complaints are a bit rich. He's seen this kind of stuff
> before, but with teams other than Australia being on the receiving
> end, and he wasn't complaining then about overweight fans who'd had
> too much to drink.
To be fair to Langer, the disgrace here is the journalism, not the behaviour
of fans.
The quote from Langer ("These people stand behind a fence drinking beer with
most of them 50 kilos overweight making ridiculous comments") in the Daily
Telegraph article reprinted by the OP is presented as though he made it in
response to the current situation, where in fact he said it in December
2002:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2002/dec/28/ashes.cricket
I don't know who Ben Dorries is, but he shouldn't be allowed near a
newspaper in a hurry.
Andrew
Andrew Dunford
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> "Andrew Dunford" <adun...@artifax.net> wrote in message
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>>
>>
>> "Maxx" <sc...@executivemail.co.za> wrote in message
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>>> On Aug 6, 12:06 am, Jellore <jell...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>>> On Aug 6, 4:20 am, Maxx <sc...@executivemail.co.za> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Well it aint gonna happen. The more they do it the more it turns into
>>>> > just a joke actually. All in good fun.
>>>>
>>>> Let us hope that the good folk of Leeds get stuck right into Ponting
>>>> as he makes his way to the middle. I have attended Test matches in
>>>> Australia every year since 1992, and generally speaking the fans
>>>> treatment of overseas players is disgraceful. I have no sympathy at
>>>> all with what is happening in England.
>>>
>>> Watch Ponting have a big grin on his face though and the crowd will
>>> love him for it.
>>
>> Haven't seen Ponting smiling much during the current tour.
>>
>> To me the English justifications of "your crowds in Australia are always
>> animals so it's ok for ours to be so too" rather misses the point, which
>> is that they should judge themselves by their own standards, not against
>> the lowest common denominator elsewhere.
>
> Would that happen to be your own mob Andrew??
There's no need to bring my family into this.
> Iirc not to long ago crowds couldn't get their message across by just
> verbally abusing players, they had to throw dangerous objects including
> beer bottles and golf balls at players in an odi match.
It happens here and deserves condemnation when it does.
Like I said the first time, there's no need to run a competition to find the
worst fans. England has a reputation for fair-minded cricket support which
some fans seem to be trying to lose.
Andrew
Gilly's Danda
> "Bob Dubery" <megap...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Conn exonerated?
A
Andrew Dunford
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> On Aug 5, 7:34 pm, "Dave -Turner" <ad...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>> >> "These people stand behind a fence drinking beer with most of them 50
>> kilos
>> >> overweight making ridiculous comments," Langer fumed.
>> >I don't think we need lessons in how to behave from the
>> > likes of Langer.
>>
>> rofl, what did Langer ever do that was so bad???
>
> Bail-flicking expert.
http://www.cricinfo.com/ci/content/image/200371.html
Andrew
John Hall
<fc9c6a4b-3375-4420...@f37g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
To be fair, one of the few things that he doesn't seem to have
complained about is the abuse.
--
John Hall "Hard work often pays off after time, but laziness always
pays off now." Anon
John Hall
Andrew Dunford <adun...@artifax.net> writes:
>To me the English justifications of "your crowds in Australia are
>always animals so it's ok for ours to be so too" rather misses the
>point, which is that they should judge themselves by their own
>standards, not against the lowest common denominator elsewhere.
Agreed.
Jellore
> "Jellore" <jell...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
Seems like you don't attend Test matches in Australia.
Jellore
Get real, this is international, competitive sport for goodness sake.
Sounds like you blokes want it to be akin to the church fete.
will_s
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I have attended plenty and the behavior is nowhere what you imply
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Bob Dubery
> To be fair to Langer, the disgrace here is the journalism, not the behaviour
> of fans.
>
> The quote from Langer ("These people stand behind a fence drinking beer with
> most of them 50 kilos overweight making ridiculous comments") in the Daily
> Telegraph article reprinted by the OP is presented as though he made it in
> response to the current situation, where in fact he said it in December
> 2002:
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2002/dec/28/ashes.cricket
>
> I don't know who Ben Dorries is, but he shouldn't be allowed near a
> newspaper in a hurry.
That is really very poor journalism.
I still have the same reservations about Langer though. He's been part
of a team that used insults and adverse comment as part of their game
plan, and he's played in plenty of matches where the visting team have
copped verbals from an Australian crowd. He only seems to think it a
problem when it's Australia on the receiving end.
Dipak Jones
Spectating is an international, competitive sport? When is it making
its Olympic debut?
> Sounds like you blokes want it to be akin to the church fete.
Would that not be preferable to a visitor being booed by thousands for
making a minor and justifiable criticism of his opponents? It is a
shame that the English characteristic of 'fair play' appears to have
gone.
Mike Holmans
<nospam...@jhall.co.uk> tapped the keyboard and brought forth:
>In article
><fc9c6a4b-3375-4420...@f37g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
> Bob Dubery <mega...@gmail.com> writes:
>>On Aug 5, 6:00�pm, "Dave -Turner" <ad...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>>> > It's a bit rich.
>>>
>>> The ECB and the heads of the Barmy Army disagree.
>>
>>They're not the hypocrites here. Though to be fair the only Australian
>>identifiable as a whinger here is Langer. He's certainly seen all this
>>before but didn't get on his high horse until Oz were on the receiving
>>end.
>
>To be fair, one of the few things that he doesn't seem to have
>complained about is the abuse.
I don't think I heard any actual booing of Ponting in the Lord's
Pavilion during the Test. But nor did I hear any tut-tutting about the
booing from the public stands. When he was bowled in the second
innings, those near where I was sitting almost to a man (and
occasional woman) said, with extreme relish, something like "Aren't
you going to question the umpire about *that* decision?"
Not many MCC Members felt like showing much respect to the
hypocritical serial whinger, challenger of umpires and proclaimer of a
version of the spirit of the game which says that Australians never
offend against it but everyone else does.
Great batsman he may be, but as a captain - and captains are supposed
to set the example in behaviour - he is right down at the bottom of
the barrel.
Cheers,
Mike
--
Mike Holmans
Thu, 6 Aug 2009 03:43:31 -0700 (PDT), Dipak Jones
<dipak...@gmail.com> tapped the keyboard and brought forth:
>Would that not be preferable to a visitor being booed by thousands for
>making a minor and justifiable criticism of his opponents? It is a
>shame that the English characteristic of 'fair play' appears to have
>gone.
If it were just the one incident, then you might have a point. But
Ponting whinged throughout the 2005 Ashes, and has been seen to
challenge the umpires on almost every contentious decision even after
it's been referred to the bloke with the TV, and then has the gall to
complain about other people violating the spirit of the game. A lot of
English fans are just fed up to the back teeth with the sanctimonious
hypocrisy which emanates from Ponting.
Cheers,
Mike
--
Michael Banner
> "Dave -Turner" <ad...@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
>
> news:ZJydnXCrdoPsCeTX...@westnet.com.au...
>
> > ky-ponting/story-e6frev00-1225758406715
>
> > ENGLAND has pleaded with its drunken fans to behave themselves and stop
> > the
> > ugly taunting and jeering of Australian cricket skipper Ricky Ponting.
>
> Thats a dog whistle if ever I've heard one.
Exactly my thoughts too.
Ricky Ponting is an obnoxious little shit, but he is a very good
batsmen and a *very* competitive person. Ricky Ponting the batsmen
would rise to produce his best in response to a hostile crowd. Not
sure about Ricky Ponting the captain or the rest of the team for that
matter though.
higgs
> On Aug 6, 4:20 am, Maxx <sc...@executivemail.co.za> wrote:
>
> > Well it aint gonna happen. The more they do it the more it turns into
> > just a joke actually. All in good fun.
>
> Let us hope that the good folk of Leeds get stuck right into Ponting
> as he makes his way to the middle. I have attended Test matches in
> Australia every year since 1992, and generally speaking the fans
> treatment of overseas players is disgraceful. I have no sympathy at
> all with what is happening in England.
But what you forget is that in Australia, SAF players were called
kaffir boetjies by SA expats, Panesar was abused for being an Indian
because, well, he is and people shout 'No ball' at Murali everytime he
bowls because, well, he chucks.
And anyway, it was SA expats doing that too.
The abuse of Ponting is totally different. Here you have a guy who has
dedicated his life to upholding the Spirit of the Gaem(tm), as have
many other Australian cricketers in the past 20 years (eg Langer).
They ought to be cheered and clapped every time they come to the
crease, and the bowlers ought to give them a first over of dolly drops
to allow them to get their eye in as a mark of respect.
Higgs
higgs
And speaking of poor journalism, let's not forget that Langer was the
one who used his own newspaper column to attack Vaughan because he
(Vaughan) had the temerity to not take his (Langer's) word over a
catch in 2003(?), and then to pontificate loudly on the Spirit of the
Gaem(tm), and inform everyone that Australians leave incidents like
that on the field and have a beer with everyone after the game
(gaem?)!
Yeah, right.
And all the while neglecting to mention that he (Langer) had refused
to take the word of Imran when he (Langer) was 'caught' in almost
identical circumstances the previous year.
Obviously, Imran was a cheating Pakistani, who had no idea of the
aforesaid Spirit of the Gaem(tm).
Australian cricketers, had they been so inclined, had an absolutely
golden opportunity over the past 10-15 years to seize the moral high
ground and actually show people what the Spirit of the Gaem(tm) is all
about. Being the strongest team in the gaem, they could have shown
some leadership. Instead, they squandered it on sledging,
gamesmanship, sharp practice, mental disintegration and outright
pettiness. Many of their supporters here echoed and supported those
tactics.
Heck, they would've won most of their games without resorting to those
tactics.
So, to hear them squeal about other teams employing similar tactics,
opposing crowds giving them a hard time and The Spirit of the Gaem(tm)
tends to result in howls of laughter from almost all other cricket
followers.
Higgs
higgs
> On Aug 5, 7:54 pm, Bob Dubery <megap...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 5, 4:17 pm, "Dave -Turner" <ad...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>
> > >http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/world/england-begs-fans-to-lay-...
> > > ky-ponting/story-e6frev00-1225758406715
>
> > > ENGLAND has pleaded with its drunken fans to behave themselves and stop the
> > > ugly taunting and jeering of Australian cricket skipper Ricky Ponting.
>
> > > has been "out of order" and now England and Wales Cricket Board bosses are
> > > taking stern action.
>
> > > ECB chairman Giles Clarke has penned an open letter, in the official program
> > > for tomorrow's fourth Test at Headingley, demanding that fans lay off
> > > Ponting and the Australian team.
>
> > > Mr Clarke writes that Ponting has "earned the respect and courtesy" of the
> > > crowd and that the game "may never see his like again".
>
> > > Ponting, almost certainly on his last Ashes tour, has been booed and abused
> > > from Cardiff to Edgbaston and former Test opener Justin Langer has labelled
> > > fans a "disgrace".
>
>
> > Did Langer ever complain or even comment on overweight fans at
> > Australian grounds drinking too much beer and making ridiculous
> > comments?
>
> > For some years Australia have played cricket in a way that is
> > calculated to put the opposition off their stroke. Visiting cricketers
> > have been heckled, in one case food was even thrown at a visiting
> > player fielding on the boundary.
>
> > Now an Australian player gets a booing and that's not on.
>
> > It's a bit rich.
>
> > Flintoff with a red flag when there's a bouncer coming?- Hide quoted text -
>
> Standard Australian Cricket mentality. Be a dickhead when you're
> winning, and then put it all down to being in the spirit of the game
> and having a laugh. Same thing happens to when you're losing and make
> a hue and cry about it.
>
> A [ They used to call Hadlee a wanker, too. ]- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
'Hadlee's a wanker, Hadlee's a wanker' (repeat ad infinitum).
Yes, a good one that.
In the spirit of Yabba of The Hill, one of the all time great
Australian singalongs, comprising of enough words to challenge those
who've had one too many, but repeated often enough to give them the
opportunity to pick it up after a while.
I guess it was a step up from 'C'mon Aussie C'mon' for ingenuity,
musical variation and witty lyrics, but only just.
Drunken Yobbos, indeed.
Higgs
Jellore
> "Jellore" <jell...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 6, 9:29 am, "dechucka" <vo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> "Jellore" <jell...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:3cd6df05-268c-4ba6...@d4g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
> >> On Aug 6, 4:20 am, Maxx <sc...@executivemail.co.za> wrote:
>
> >> > Well it aint gonna happen. The more they do it the more it turns into
> >> > just a joke actually. All in good fun.
>
> >> Let us hope that the good folk of Leeds get stuck right into Ponting
> >> as he makes his way to the middle. I have attended Test matches in
> >> Australia every year since 1992, and generally speaking the fans
> >> treatment of overseas players is disgraceful. I have no sympathy at
> >> all with what is happening in England.
>
> >> ========
>
> >> crap, next
>
> > Seems like you don't attend Test matches in Australia.
>
> I have attended plenty and the behavior is nowhere what you imply
>
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You are talking absolute nonsense. Australian "fans" are amongst the
worst in the world, almost everyone accepts that, when it comes to
niggling overseas players. When it happens to Australians they whinge
and bellyache as if they should be immune to it. It is laughable.
David Male
wrote:
>Imran was a cheating Pakistani
correct
Dipak Jones
> http://www.fannation.com/blogs/post/424759-whats-up-with-the-flat-batOn
> Thu, 6 Aug 2009 03:43:31 -0700 (PDT), Dipak Jones
>
> >Would that not be preferable to a visitor being booed by thousands for
> >making a minor and justifiable criticism of his opponents? It is a
> >shame that the English characteristic of 'fair play' appears to have
> >gone.
>
> If it were just the one incident, then you might have a point. But
> Ponting whinged throughout the 2005 Ashes, and has been seen to
> challenge the umpires on almost every contentious decision even after
> it's been referred to the bloke with the TV, and then has the gall to
> complain about other people violating the spirit of the game. A lot of
> English fans are just fed up to the back teeth with the sanctimonious
> hypocrisy which emanates from Ponting.
>
My recollections of 2005 must have faded. You say that he 'whinged
throughout the 2005 Ashes' whereas I can only recall his exchanges
over the Gary Pratt incident. Can you remind me of his other whinges?
But even allowing for a lengthy list of Ponting whines, I believe that
he's being harshly treated by English fans. This is because England
traditionally believe themselves to be the upholders of fair play and
to have that questioned, especially by an unlikeable Australian, has
caused this overreaction. They should be addressing the issues first
and not worrying about the perceived hypocrisy of the accuser. There
was no doubt that the Cardiff time-wasting was badly orchestrated poor
sportsmanship and that Ponting had a valid point, it was however a
minor, incidental point that perhaps he shouldn't have made, but it
was still a valid comment. The reaction by England has been
disproportionate and inappropriate. That battle for position on the
high moral ground has seen no-one close to winning it yet.
As to the future, I wonder if there is the possibility that the
English crowds are killing their golden touring goose. If the English
crowds behaviour on this tour is perceived as poor by 'Australia',
could it transpire that the number of tickets made available to future
Ashes games in Australia for tourists is reduced by the Australian
Board? If I recall the last English tour was a sellout after Australia
lost the Ashes, a likley event again this series, so the Australian
Board may not have to rely, if they ever did, on sales to the
English.
Unknown
Andrew Dunford
"higgs" <kenh...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:0c6ce136-723e-4888...@j9g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
For the sake of completeness, we should also recall the occasion in India in
2001 when Langer moralised about the young India 'A' leg-spinner Balaji Rao
having the temerity to issue a 'send off' to the honourable captain of
Australia:
http://www.hinduonnet.com/2001/02/21/stories/07210282.htm
<snip>
Andrew
Dipak Jones
The argument you put forward is impossible to argue against.
Cicero
>>
>> What are they going to do next? Insist that the 12th man run ahead of
>> Flintoff with a red flag when there's a bouncer coming?- Hide quoted
>> text -
>
> Standard Australian Cricket mentality. Be a dickhead when you're
> winning, and then put it all down to being in the spirit of the game
> and having a laugh. Same thing happens to when you're losing and make
> a hue and cry about it.
>
> A [ They used to call Hadlee a wanker, too. ]
Sob sob.
Phil.
> "Bob Dubery" <megap...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Indeed, however this is the same Aussie press that on the eve of the
rugby World Cup in 2003 encouraged it's readers to collect outside the
england team's hotel during the night to keep them awake with drums
and bugles!
Bob Dubery
> But even allowing for a lengthy list of Ponting whines, I believe that
> he's being harshly treated by English fans. This is because England
> traditionally believe themselves to be the upholders of fair play and
> to have that questioned, especially by an unlikeable Australian, has
> caused this overreaction. They should be addressing the issues first
> and not worrying about the perceived hypocrisy of the accuser. There
> was no doubt that the Cardiff time-wasting was badly orchestrated poor
> sportsmanship and that Ponting had a valid point, it was however a
> minor, incidental point that perhaps he shouldn't have made, but it
> was still a valid comment. The reaction by England has been
> disproportionate and inappropriate. That battle for position on the
> high moral ground has seen no-one close to winning it yet.
We need to get some perspective here ("we" includes Justin Langer).
Ponting got booed at Edgbaston. It's not the end of the world as we
know it, and it doesn't mean that England is rapidly descending into
lawlessness and barbarism.
Let's get a grip here. This is hardly the first time somebody playing
cricket has been booed, and England is not the only country where it
happens.
Brearley wrote of being greeted by boos in Australia on the 79/80
tour. SA players got racially abused by yobs in the crowd in
Australia. Symonds says he copped something similar in India - it may
be that, as in Harbygate, that the verbals he got were not racist, but
they were still far from polite.
My copy of Brearley's "The Art Of Captaincy" was printed in 1985.
Already he had recorded these observations about crowds at cricket
matches: "Vocal violence is also worse. Jeering,exultation and abuse
have all increased, while humour has decreased. Mindless chanting is
commonplace. Crowds are less generous, both more and less easily
pleased. They demand instant satisfaction; their criticisms are
crudely sexual."
He quotes from a book by Colin Cowdrey a conversation that Cowdrey had
with Australian golfer Peter Thomson in the England dressing room
during the 1974-5 series in Australia. Thomson said "I believe your
players should be clear-minded about this, because although the
crowd's demonstration was ill-mannered, this kind of alien reaction is
something that we, as performers, must now accept."
So Ponting got booed. Well it can hardly be the rudest treatment
handed out to him during a cricket match, nor ruder than he has seen
from crowds at home and seen the team that he captains dish out. I
don't care for it myself, but it's not new or sudden nor is it
confined to England and the English. It's not the end of the world,
it's hardly the worst treatment to be dished out to a cricket player
by a crowd and we should all get a more realistic perspective.
Cicero
>
> Indeed, however this is the same Aussie press that on the eve of the
> rugby World Cup in 2003 encouraged it's readers to collect outside the
> england team's hotel during the night to keep them awake with drums
> and bugles!
Cite?
Dan Minge
wrote:
He has absolutely no need to. I can recall this incident very well.
Minge
Dan Minge
wrote:
There -is- no sport in Australia. Instead it's a mission or warfare.
The most self assured nations in the world are those who fought
for their independence. Australia suffered the ignomany if being
granted theirs, virtually at the stroke of a pen.
They had nothing to fight for and ever since has been a nation
lacking in self confidence. This is admirably reflected in their
one-eyed, rabid notion of sport. A perpetual vainglorious effort
to make it seem some kind of world beater to the extent
that their sportspeople aren't beaten. They 'bow out'
Beaten not in the Australian lexicon.
Australia needs to take a good look at itself and accept the fact
that in the annals of the worlds countries, it is merely one of many.
Minge
Minge.
Cicero
"Dan Minge" <Daniel...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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And since when do I have to accept your view of events? Anecdotes are NOT
data.
Cicero
"Dan Minge" <Daniel...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Yes mange. Whatever.
Dipak Jones
> On Thu, 6 Aug 2009 13:47:48 -0700 (PDT), Jellore <jell...@bigpond.com>
Ignoring the accuracy of these two statements, there is no logical
connection between them. You appear to have mistaken loquacity for
logic.
Cicero
"Dipak Jones" <dipak...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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True. But let's not disappoint our latest conspiracy theory nutcase.
higgs
> "Dan Minge" <Daniel_Mi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
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>
>
>
>
>
> > On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 04:15:20 GMT, "Cicero" <tezza...@hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> >>> Indeed, however this is the same Aussie press that on the eve of the
> >>> rugby World Cup in 2003 encouraged it's readers to collect outside the
> >>> england team's hotel during the night to keep them awake with drums
> >>> and bugles!
>
> >>Cite?
>
> > He has absolutely no need to. I can recall this incident very well.
>
> > Minge
>
> And since when do I have to accept your view of events? Anecdotes are NOT
>
> - Show quoted text -
Oh please,
can we cut out the ridiculous attempts at revisionism.
Anyone living in Sydney (or indeed Australia) at the time with half an
eye on the match would have well remembered the radio announcements.
It was all a good laugh, right?
But seeing as you insist on peddling the most outrageous of lies,
allow me:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/sport/newsid_3226000/3226348.stm
England rugby players face a noisy night before their crucial World
Cup final match in Australia.
A newspaper has called on Aussie fans to shout outside the Brits'
hotel so they can't sleep and are tired for the big game on Saturday.
England fans have also been called "boring" by the Australian media,
and have been teased a lot.
But England coach Clive Woodward laughed off the jokes and vowed that
the noise would not affect his team.
Good natured banter
"It was pretty noisy last night to be fair," he laughed. "I could hear
a few people outside shouting 'boring, boring'.
"I'm sure there'll be some good natured banter but I don't think we're
going to lose a Test match if someone's sleep is disrupted."
I'd suggest that your apology goes here, but I really don't expect
someone of your ilk to offer one
Higgs
higgs
From the (Sydney) Daily Telegraph:
Sport
Night my number came up - English fans give yours truly the treatment
- WORLD CUP FINAL: FAREWELL BILL
PAUL KENT
MATP
651 words
24 November 2003
Daily Telegraph
DAITEL
1 - State
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English
(c) 2003 Nationwide News Proprietary Ltd
LIKE the Wallabies, I feel the pain.
The Sun newspaper in London sells three million newspapers a day to a
readership who can't keep their lips still when they read.
It is a paper for those who still get a kick from Page 3 boobs and has
the market cornered when it comes to the lunatic fringe. Of which
every single one of them, it seems, now has my phone number.
The Sun published the number on Page 2 of Saturday's paper, cleverly
luring readers into the story by tacking it on the end of a Page 1
story that called for Jonny Wilkinson to be knighted, a bold marketing
ploy on the eve of the final.
"Desperate Aussie reporter Paul Kent," the paper announced, "told
Sydney folk to stand outside England's hotel with bugles, drums and
firecrackers to stop our boys sleeping. Now you can get your own back
after we discovered his mobile number. Ring [deleted] -- and give him
hell."
This is what the English do when they are not dodging soap.
Seems the newspaper took offence to a little ol' story in last week's
Daily Telegraph that highlighted which Manly hotel the England team
was staying at and, if the Sydney readers liked, suggested they might
like to make a little noise outside. Doing our bit for team support,
we was.
Clearly, though, The Sun and their readership couldn't see the funny
side.
4.36pm: "Just thought I'd let you know that you're an Aussie mug and
you're going to get beat tonight you knucklehead."
It was to become a familiar theme, and the calls increased and by the
time England took a halftime lead the tone had been set, brief and to
the point.
8.56pm: "What do you think about the score now, you f...... Aussie
bastard."
8.57pm: "You sad Aussie, what's the score?"
8.57pm: "T..t."
8.58pm: "What's the score, you bastard."
9.00pm: "You f...... wanker. How do you like it?
9.01pm: "Hello Paul, mate? Kev here from England. We can't score
tries, can we. We're so good. What's the halftime score?"
9.01pm: "You Aussie bastards, we're sticking it up you now. Go back to
AFL you bunch of c...."
9.03pm: "It's Dave from England. [singing] England, we're winning."
9.03pm: "Right t..t."
9.05pm: "Just thought I'd ring to see what the score is."
9.06pm: "Good day, you Australian nutter. I thought this was the gay
hotline for all the Aussie blokes."
Yes, they were on a roll, and it managed to drop off only when Elton
Flatley kicked the goal to send it into extra time. I will name my
first born after him.
Though sadly it was all too brief, for Jonny came along to kick
England to victory, and gave life to the lunatics.
11.58pm: "Paul Kent, it's Ash from England. You sad person, England
have won the World Cup, we hope you're awake all night, mate."
12.01am: "England, England. Wanker."
12.01am: "What's that Skippy? England won the World Cup? You tosser."
12.03am: "We beat you."
12.04am: "Loser."
12.05am: "You lost and we won."
12.08am: "My name's Nev and I'm just calling to say we smacked you
properly, all that crap you write in the papers. Our reporters here
are true people."
Somebody had to finally take it too far. After hundreds of phone calls
and even more text messages the phone had to go off.
It was on for only a minute yesterday -- Sunday's early hours in
England -- before it started again.
First call: "[singing] Swing low, sweet chariot ..."
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Dipak Jones
Does one six year old article from the football press have any
relevance to a current cricket series? Using this type of
justification you could condemn anything.
higgs
>
Not really, but it does rather nicely illustrate Olympic standards in
hypocrisy.
We're talking about an incident that has initially been denied ever
happened, and now that it's been established as true, it's suddenly
too old and the Daily Tele is a football paper!
You were the one raising the notion of tradition and fair play.
Tradition is usually based on events from the past, and fair play
ought to apply to all parties
HTH
Higgs
Cicero
"higgs" <kenh...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Thanks for the cite. I did live in Australia at the time and can't recall
it.
Dipak Jones
I thought it was questioned, not denied. Could you please point out
where it was 'denied'?
> and now that it's been established as true, it's suddenly
> too old and the Daily Tele is a football paper!
You appear to be confusing posters. And chronology.
I questioned the relevance of a single, old football story to a
current cricket series and not whether the regrettable newspaper piece
was ever published.
>
> You were the one raising the notion of tradition and fair play.
Yes, but what has this dredging up of a single, old football articles
got to do with it?
>
> Tradition is usually based on events from the past, and fair play
> ought to apply to all parties
I cannot fathom your logic. You need to clarify.
>
> HTH
>
> Higgs
higgs
Did you really?
You also told us that Andrew had said the Hayden incident wasn't
televised.
You appear totally confused
Higgs
Cicero
>>
>> > We're talking about an incident that has initially been denied ever
>> > happened,
>>
>> I thought it was questioned, not denied.
>
> Did you really?
>
> You also told us that Andrew had said the Hayden incident wasn't
> televised.
>
> You appear totally confused
>
> Higgs
If you are talking of my post, I asked for a cite. I never questioned
whether it happened or not.
Dipak Jones
Yes I did. Could you please point out where it was denied?
>
> You also told us that Andrew had said the Hayden incident wasn't
> televised.
I beg your pardon?
Would you also please point out where I made this statement?
higgs
"And since when do I have to accept your view of events? Anecdotes are
NOT
data."
>
> > You also told us that Andrew had said the Hayden incident wasn't
> > televised.
>
> I beg your pardon?
> Would you also please point out where I made this statement?-
I don't know why I'm bothering, but OK, I'll humour you:
"That is my understanding as well. And from this I was reminded of
another Australian, Matthew Hayden as Mr Dunford correctly reminded
me, who was fined for damaging a dressing room door even though it
was
not witnessed by the all-inportant cameras"
Higgs
higgs
"And since when do I have to accept your view of events? Anecdotes are
NOT
data."
No doubt you'll tell me I've taken it out of context, but seeing as
it comprises of your entire post, it's all I've got to go on
Higgs
Dipak Jones
Which is perfectly correct. It is not a denial of the event. Also the
preceding posts are crucial to the quote you have included.
>
>
>
> > > You also told us that Andrew had said the Hayden incident wasn't
> > > televised.
>
> > I beg your pardon?
> > Would you also please point out where I made this statement?-
>
> I don't know why I'm bothering, but OK, I'll humour you:
>
> "That is my understanding as well. And from this I was reminded of
> another Australian, Matthew Hayden as Mr Dunford correctly reminded
> me, who was fined for damaging a dressing room door even though it
> was
> not witnessed by the all-inportant cameras"
>
You appear to have misunderstood the sentence. I suggest that you read
things more carefully in future.
Cicero
"higgs" <kenh...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Not out of context. It just does not have the meaning that you attach to it.
Post your apology underneath.
But at least I get a laugh out of your posts. You aren't entirely worthless.
Cicero
>
> You appear to have misunderstood the sentence. I suggest that you read
> things more carefully in future.
>
>
Asking that of Higgsy is like flying a Cessna to the moon. It won't happen.
dechucka
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=======================
Having watched Test cricket all over the world the Aussie fans are no better
and no worse than others, except of course when ex-pat SAs start making
racist comments :-)
dechucka
On Aug 6, 8:06 am, Jellore <jell...@bigpond.com> wrote:
> On Aug 6, 4:20 am, Maxx <sc...@executivemail.co.za> wrote:
>
> > Well it aint gonna happen. The more they do it the more it turns into
> > just a joke actually. All in good fun.
>
> Let us hope that the good folk of Leeds get stuck right into Ponting
> as he makes his way to the middle. I have attended Test matches in
> Australia every year since 1992, and generally speaking the fans
> treatment of overseas players is disgraceful. I have no sympathy at
> all with what is happening in England.
But what you forget is that in Australia, SAF players were called
kaffir boetjies by SA expats, Panesar was abused for being an Indian
because, well, he is and people shout 'No ball' at Murali everytime he
bowls because, well, he chucks.
And anyway, it was SA expats doing that too.
==================================
finally you admit that you were wrong.
You are better thing because of this Huggies
Andrew Dunford
"higgs" <kenh...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Aug 7, 6:36 pm, "Cicero" <tezza...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> "Dan Minge" <Daniel_Mi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> > On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 04:15:20 GMT, "Cicero" <tezza...@hotmail.com>
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>> >>> Indeed, however this is the same Aussie press that on the eve of the
>> >>> rugby World Cup in 2003 encouraged it's readers to collect outside
>> >>> the
>> >>> england team's hotel during the night to keep them awake with drums
>> >>> and bugles!
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>> >>Cite?
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>> > He has absolutely no need to. I can recall this incident very well.
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>> > Minge
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>> And since when do I have to accept your view of events? Anecdotes are NOT
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> Oh please,
> can we cut out the ridiculous attempts at revisionism.
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> Anyone living in Sydney (or indeed Australia) at the time with half an
> eye on the match would have well remembered the radio announcements.
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> It was all a good laugh, right?
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> But seeing as you insist on peddling the most outrageous of lies,
Jesus Ken, no wonder you get into so many arguments.
Cicero didn't tell any lies or indulge in 'revisionism', he merely asked for
independent verification. To which your reaction was utterly out of
proportion. The most positive spin I can put on your accusation of 'lies'
is that it is richly ironic.
And before you reel off 3000 words explaining why your past history with
this poster justifies such a response: no, it doesn't.
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Andrew
higgs
> "higgs" <kenhig...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > On Aug 7, 6:36 pm, "Cicero" <tezza...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> "Dan Minge" <Daniel_Mi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> >> > On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 04:15:20 GMT, "Cicero" <tezza...@hotmail.com>
> >> > wrote:
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> >> >>> Indeed, however this is the same Aussie press that on the eve of the
> >> >>> rugby World Cup in 2003 encouraged it's readers to collect outside
> >> >>> the
> >> >>> england team's hotel during the night to keep them awake with drums
> >> >>> and bugles!
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> >> >>Cite?
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> >> > He has absolutely no need to. I can recall this incident very well.
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> >> > Minge
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> >> And since when do I have to accept your view of events? Anecdotes are NOT
> >> data.- Hide quoted text -
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> > Oh please,
> > can we cut out the ridiculous attempts at revisionism.
>
> > Anyone living in Sydney (or indeed Australia) at the time with half an
> > eye on the match would have well remembered the radio announcements.
>
> > It was all a good laugh, right?
>
> > But seeing as you insist on peddling the most outrageous of lies,
>
> Jesus Ken, no wonder you get into so many arguments.
>
Huh?
> Cicero didn't tell any lies or indulge in 'revisionism', he merely asked for
> independent verification. To which your reaction was utterly out of
> proportion. The most positive spin I can put on your accusation of 'lies'
> is that it is richly ironic.
>
More than one person verified the incident.
Cicero wasn't happy to accept that, so I provided a definitive source.
In the meantime, 'Dipak' the brisbane sock was busily starting threads
telling everyone who would listen that Hayden hadn't smashed the
window, then when it transpired he had, he questioned my (and your)
recollection that it was seen on tv and insisted that I provide
definitive proof for that. Then he questioned if it had even been
mentioned here and insisted that I help him out because he is
obviously incapable of running even the most rudimentary search.
I declined, and let someone else provide it for him (thank you Danda).
Rather than apologise, he then tried to selectively quote from the
thread (that allegedly didn't exist) and make out I was still making
things up.
So were my replies a bit short?
Quite possibly.
And quite justifiably.
Higgs
Cicero
"higgs" <kenh...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Selectively quote? I never quoted.
higgs
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If you're moonlighting as Dipak, you most certainly did.
Higgs
Bob Dubery
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> Selectively quote? I never quoted.
Ken was talking about "Dipak Jones" and selective quoting.
Of course if you are Dipak Jones then you might have a point.
Cicero
"Bob Dubery" <mega...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Nope- I'm not Dipak anyone.
Cicero
"higgs" <kenh...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I've never posted to this message board as anyone else than "Cicero".
Calvin
> "higgs" <kenh...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> If you're moonlighting as Dipak, you most certainly did.
Why do you see conspiracies everywhere, Higgs?
--
cheers,
calvin
Bob Dubery
> "Bob Dubery" <megap...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Well the slip of the tongue was intriguing, you have to admit.
dechucka
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that will teach you not to kiss on the first date
Cicero
"dechucka" <vo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Date? What is that?
dechucka
"Cicero" <tezz...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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going out together not a date in the matau sense. I assumed that one of you
slipped in the tongue and Bob found it intriguing
Cicero
"dechucka" <vo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I knew what you meant. I was joking that it's been so long since I've been
on a date I'd forgotten :(
higgs
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So the one-eyed qlder called Terry Walsh who used to post here as
Mudguts is a different Terry Walsh to you?
Higgs
Lawrence�Logic
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> So the one-eyed qlder called Terry Walsh who used to post here as
> Mudguts is a different Terry Walsh to you?
>
All Terry Walsh's are different to Cicero.
--
Lawrence
"Strike me down while you can, but it won't make your dried up ovaries any
more fertile." - Eric Cartman - 3 May 2006
higgs
Hi Wog George,
how's it hanging?
Higgs
Lawrence�Logic
Mostly downwards at this point in time. How about yourself?
--
Lawrence
"Doctor, my sister's just being difficult. Maybe you could just examine my
cervix instead." - Katie Queef - 1 April 2009
Cicero
"higgs" <kenh...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Seeing I have never been Terry Walsh the answer would have to be yes. And I
sure wasn't Mudguts.
higgs
Akshully,
if he is 'Dipak Jones', then he doesn't have a point.
The iinet hero quoted:
'Fined 20 percent for something that happened off the field of the
play and away from public view'
as 'proof' that it wasn't captured on camera
yet omitted:
"Away from the field of play but not in private, the Channel 9 cameras
had
a good view of the damage, it was not a good look for Australian
cricket or
cricket in general a well deserved fine IMHO".............
"On this issue alone (ie, this has nothing to do with my opinion on
the
fine.
Did everyone get that? Nothing to do with my opinion on the fine.) I
think
that this is the fault of nein. It's a dressing room. No cameras
should be
in it or pointed at it unless invited."
which immediately followed in the next two posts on the topic.
Ergo, 'Dipak Jones' selectively quoted.
If he's Cicero, he still doesn't have a point. I never accused Cicero
of selectively quoting.
Higgs
higgs
> > "higgs" <kenhig...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
If this is an attempt at recruiting me for the qccccccc, thanks but no
thanks.
FWIW, I didn't accuse Cicero of being 'Dipak'; I'd accused Dipak of
selectively quoting.
Terry either misread and thought I meant him, or else he was alerting
me to the fact that he actually is Dipak.
I'm fairly sure Dipak is an iinet sock, but I'm not really sure who he
belongs to, nor do I really care.
Higgs
Andrew Dunford
"higgs" <kenh...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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You did, but only after calling him a liar for asking for that source!
> In the meantime, 'Dipak' the brisbane sock was busily starting threads
> telling everyone who would listen that Hayden hadn't smashed the
> window, then when it transpired he had, he questioned my (and your)
> recollection that it was seen on tv and insisted that I provide
> definitive proof for that. Then he questioned if it had even been
> mentioned here and insisted that I help him out because he is
> obviously incapable of running even the most rudimentary search.
>
> I declined, and let someone else provide it for him (thank you Danda).
> Rather than apologise, he then tried to selectively quote from the
> thread (that allegedly didn't exist) and make out I was still making
> things up.
>
> So were my replies a bit short?
>
> Quite possibly.
>
> And quite justifiably.
None of which addresses the point I raised, namely that you accused Cicero
of being a liar without a shred of justification. Most of the above
'justification' concerns the actions of a different poster.
Andrew