Muralitharan may boycott Australian tour
Terry Walsh
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Glenn Anderson
"Col" <C...@home.nz> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 06:30:05 +1000, "Terry Walsh"
<terry...@austarnet.com.au>
> wrote:
>
> >Article on Murali ... can be viewed at www.cricket-online.org
> >
> >Please keep comments non-racial
>
close to
> the world cup my only comment is that he must feel he is guilty of
throwing
> otherwise he'd say " I am not a chucka and I will play in Aussie" . He is
a
> gutless wonder.
> --
>
> Col
>
> According to archaeologists, for millions of years Neanderthal
> man was not fully erect.
> That's pretty easy to understand considering how ugly
> Neanderthal woman was.
Legend
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> Talk about spitting the dummy
> "Col" <C...@home.nz> wrote in message
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> > On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 06:30:05 +1000, "Terry Walsh"
> <terry...@austarnet.com.au>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >Article on Murali ... can be viewed at www.cricket-online.org
> > >
> > >Please keep comments non-racial
> >
> > If he doesn't tour Aussie because of his fear of getting no balled so
> close to
> > the world cup my only comment is that he must feel he is guilty of
> throwing
> > otherwise he'd say " I am not a chucka and I will play in Aussie" . He
is
> a
> > gutless wonder.
> > --
> >
> > Col
> >
> >
and boucy Australian pitches that he has on the doctored Sri Lankan pitches.
Could also be that he doesn't want to miss the world cup as he will surely
be no balled again for throwing.
Legend
Telling it like it is without race or bias
>
Colin Kynoch
Terry Walsh wrote:
> Article on Murali ... can be viewed at www.cricket-online.org
>
> Please keep comments non-racial
Sounds like the BCCSL actually knows the truth and are scared it will
come outy.
Colin Kynoch
Ian Galbraith
:On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 06:30:05 +1000, "Terry Walsh" <terry...@austarnet.com.au>
:wrote:
:>Article on Murali ... can be viewed at www.cricket-online.org
:>Please keep comments non-racial
:If he doesn't tour Aussie because of his fear of getting no balled so close to
:the world cup my only comment is that he must feel he is guilty of throwing
:otherwise he'd say " I am not a chucka and I will play in Aussie" . He is a
:gutless wonder.
For once I agree with you. Whats even more stupid is that the laws have
changed since he last toured here, and he is no chance of being called.
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Ken Higgs
Col wrote:
> On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 06:30:05 +1000, "Terry Walsh" <terry...@austarnet.com.au>
> wrote:
>
> >Article on Murali ... can be viewed at www.cricket-online.org
> >
> >Please keep comments non-racial
>
> If he doesn't tour Aussie because of his fear of getting no balled so close to
> the world cup my only comment is that he must feel he is guilty of throwing
> otherwise he'd say " I am not a chucka and I will play in Aussie" . He is a
> gutless wonder.
> --
>
> Col
>
> According to archaeologists, for millions of years Neanderthal
> man was not fully erect.
> That's pretty easy to understand considering how ugly
> Neanderthal woman was.
I'd say it's more to do with recently being labelled a chucker by the Australian
vice captain, the reports that all the Australian cricket team share his view, the
published memoirs of Australian umpires who vow to call him, the appalling
treatment he recieved last time he came out here and the continued press campaigns
against him.
Hardly a ringing endorsement for coming to Australia, is it?
Higgsy
Glenn Anderson
"Ken Higgs" <kenh...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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he wouldn't have a problem with coming here
Ken Higgs
Glenn Anderson wrote:
Really?
The 'other people' happen to be players and officials.
I'd agree that bad press, whilst probably uncomfortable and distracting, is part
and parcel of an international players' lot and really he needs to be
professional enough to either ignore it or not let it affect him.
But other players?
Officials?
Ignoring what they say is not going to help him, is it.
Higgsy
Larry de Silva
"Terry Walsh" <terry...@austarnet.com.au> wrote in message
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Nothing too surprising there. I mean, why keep getting back on a horse that
keeps on bucking you off & then stamping on you? The Aussies don't deserve
another chance to call no ball everytime the poor bugger bowls & to have DH
make an arse of himself again before retiring to write another book about
Murali's diabolical action. He should have a good rest & freshen up for the
far more important World Cup.
Also the Sri Lankan's may have seen that Clang's recent comments were the
start of another well orchestrated smear campaign against Murali. Why give
others their chance for their 15 minutes of fame? Murali has only ever been
called for chucking in Australia, after bowling all over the world in
getting over 400 test wickets. I wonder why??
Larrikin
Larry de Silva
> >
> >Please keep comments non-racial
>
close to
> the world cup my only comment is that he must feel he is guilty of
throwing
> otherwise he'd say " I am not a chucka and I will play in Aussie" . He is
a
> gutless wonder.
Absolute bullshit you fruitcake! Why be a bloody lemming (like you) and walk
into a campaign to call him again in Australia? It only ever happens here.
Only a bloody dickhead like you will go back to get your head bashed in each
time. Let him rest and play in the far more important World Cup. Bugger
coming here to be abused by the likes of you each time he bowls. That WOULD
be stupid. Murali is not as dumb as you.
Larrikin
Larry de Silva
"Legend" <pandan...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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OK dude, tell me one small thing? WHY on earth is he only EVER called in
Australia? Do tell as you then intimate that ALL the other umpires around
the world, including the English county umpires, are blatantly incompetent
but that the couple of Aussie umpires are correct!! What a load of rubbish.
Larrikin
person x
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>
> "Col" <C...@home.nz> wrote in message
> news:Aij9PAYP5encHNIe=JLse6...@4ax.com...
> > On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 06:30:05 +1000, "Terry Walsh"
> <terry...@austarnet.com.au>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >Article on Murali ... can be viewed at www.cricket-online.org
> > >
> > >Please keep comments non-racial
> >
> > If he doesn't tour Aussie because of his fear of getting no balled so
> close to
> > the world cup my only comment is that he must feel he is guilty of
> throwing
> > otherwise he'd say " I am not a chucka and I will play in Aussie" . He
is
> a
> > gutless wonder.
>
>
> Absolute bullshit you fruitcake! Why be a bloody lemming (like you) and
walk
> into a campaign to call him again in Australia? It only ever happens here.
> Only a bloody dickhead like you will go back to get your head bashed in
each
> time. Let him rest and play in the far more important World Cup. Bugger
> coming here to be abused by the likes of you each time he bowls. That
WOULD
> be stupid. Murali is not as dumb as you.
Why is it not cowardly for Murali to not go to Australia because he might be
called for chucking, but it is cowardly for New Zealand to leave Pakistan
after a bomb exploded outside their hotel?
Larry de Silva
"Ian Galbraith" <igalb...@ozonline.com.au> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 05 Jun 2002 08:51:58 +1200, Col wrote:
>
> :On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 06:30:05 +1000, "Terry Walsh"
<terry...@austarnet.com.au>
> :wrote:
>
> :>Article on Murali ... can be viewed at www.cricket-online.org
>
> :>Please keep comments non-racial
>
> :If he doesn't tour Aussie because of his fear of getting no balled so
close to
> :the world cup my only comment is that he must feel he is guilty of
throwing
> :otherwise he'd say " I am not a chucka and I will play in Aussie" . He is
a
> :gutless wonder.
>
> For once I agree with you. Whats even more stupid is that the laws have
> changed since he last toured here, and he is no chance of being called.
Absolute bloody bullshit & you know it. Arrogant DH can easily call him to
further sales of his next book or to satisfy his ego & gain revenge on
Murali for the effect on his career before he retires. So why pander to a
cunning stunt like that & be the bunny? THAT would be stupid indeed dude.
The SMART thing to do is to have a good rest before the World Cup. Why
bother about a two bit ODI series in Australia where he wil be abused non
stop by the very sporting Aussie public?
Larrikin
Larry de Silva
Exactly right Higgsy. Why are the other posters so dumb as to not see this?
Clang has let the cat out of the bag that Murali will be victimised yet
again, probably by an angry & revengefully hurt DH. Why set himself up for
this nonsense? That would be bloody stupid.
Larrikin
>
> Higgsy
>
Larry de Silva
What for? To set himself up for another public lynching & humilation? No
thanks................
Larrikin
>
>
Larry de Silva
"Colin Kynoch" <kyn...@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
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Evidence? I reckon that they are being very responsible with their triumph
card. If Warne was called twice in Sri lanka, can you SERIOUSLY see him
being allowed to tour there? What set your best bowler up for humiliation by
a cut & upset umpire like DH looking to leave his mark with another
controversy to boost sakes of his next book?
Larrikin
rourkster
Because the Aussie umpires were the only one's with enough guts to
actually call him. Other non Aussie umpires could only bring
themselves to report his action to the match referee & ICC rather than
directly call him.
Rourkster
Ken Higgs
Legend wrote:
I don't know that there's any more evidence that SLankan pitches are any more or
less doctored than Australian ones.
Besides, whilst Murali failed here 6 years ago, not only was he operating under
fairly unique circumstances, I'd say he's a much better bowler now than he was
then. He has taken a lot of wickets in places outside of SLanka (most notably 4
in England last week playing with a dicky arm).
We the fans are the ones who are going to miss out.
Higgsy
Larry de Silva
"person x" <ke...@xtra.co.nz.lackofspam> wrote in message
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One is not pandering to inflated but hurt egos and the other is not
pandering to arsehole terrorists dude. Apples & Oranges. Chalk & cheese.
Larrikin
>
>
rourkster
<larryd...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>
>"Col" <C...@home.nz> wrote in message
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>> On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 06:30:05 +1000, "Terry Walsh"
><terry...@austarnet.com.au>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Article on Murali ... can be viewed at www.cricket-online.org
>> >
>> >Please keep comments non-racial
>>
>> If he doesn't tour Aussie because of his fear of getting no balled so
>close to
>> the world cup my only comment is that he must feel he is guilty of
>throwing
>> otherwise he'd say " I am not a chucka and I will play in Aussie" . He is
>a
>> gutless wonder.
>
>
>Absolute bullshit you fruitcake! Why be a bloody lemming (like you) and walk
>into a campaign to call him again in Australia? It only ever happens here.
>Only a bloody dickhead like you will go back to get your head bashed in each
>time. Let him rest and play in the far more important World Cup. Bugger
>coming here to be abused by the likes of you each time he bowls. That WOULD
>be stupid. Murali is not as dumb as you.
>
>Larrikin
>
But he's obviously as stupid as you.
Rourkster
Larry de Silva
"rourkster" <rour...@bigpond.com.au> wrote in message
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So all retribution & victimising of an innocent player is done only in
Australia? WHY?? Because it has been tested & proved that Murali doesn't
chuck.
Larrikin
> Rourkster
>
Ken Higgs
Larry de Silva wrote:
>
>
> Exactly right Higgsy. Why are the other posters so dumb as to not see this?
> Clang has let the cat out of the bag that Murali will be victimised yet
> again, probably by an angry & revengefully hurt DH. Why set himself up for
> this nonsense? That would be bloody stupid.
>
> Larrikin
>
> >
> > Higgsy
> >
Larry,
I don't know that I'd adopt the extreme position of yours, in that I'm not
saying there is a campaign to get Murali. Then again, I'm not completely sure
there isn't one.
All I'm saying is that I can't believe Australia would be a top priority for
Murali to tour, given his bad memories of the place and the antagonism towards
him of a large proportion of the public, players and cricketing officials down
here.
higgsy
Larry de Silva
Get stuffed tosser. Go wank somewhere else dickbrain.
Larrikin
>
> Rourkster
>
Geoff Muldoon
>I'd say it's more to do with recently being labelled a chucker by the Australian
>vice captain,
An unfortunate incident for which Gilchrist has already personally
apologised to Murali.
>the reports that all the Australian cricket team share his view,
Speculation. Irrelevant as, unlike Larry, I do not believe that the
officials responsible for administration of the laws are swayed by the
views of players or the media. I believe they are persons with
sufficient intelligence and integrity to fairly apply the laws using
professional critical analysis, without fear of player or media (but
maybe, understandably, of ICC) reprisals.
>the published memoirs of Australian umpires who vow to call him,
Bullshit. Hair said the *IF* he thought that a player was throwing, he
would call him. Since then, there has been evidence made available to
him in relation to the "optical illusion" issue. There are no grounds
to assume that Hair would be likely to again call him, more than any
other umpire would. Larry has failed to provide proof to support his
allegations that Hair knew of this evidence BEFORE he called him (or
wrote the piece for the book). I find it hard to believe you could back
Larry's stance on this.
>the appalling
>treatment he recieved last time he came out here and the continued press campaigns
>against him.
Australian press are worse than the "gutter English tabloids"? Should
Perera boycott England tours?
Geoff M
Ken Higgs
Geoff Muldoon wrote:
> kenh...@hotmail.com says...
>
> >I'd say it's more to do with recently being labelled a chucker by the Australian
> >vice captain,
>
> An unfortunate incident for which Gilchrist has already personally
> apologised to Murali.
>
So you admit that it did actually happen?
>
> >the reports that all the Australian cricket team share his view,
>
> Speculation. Irrelevant as, unlike Larry, I do not believe that the
> officials responsible for administration of the laws are swayed by the
> views of players or the media. I believe they are persons with
> sufficient intelligence and integrity to fairly apply the laws using
> professional critical analysis, without fear of player or media (but
> maybe, understandably, of ICC) reprisals.
>
Speculation with a fair bit of corroborating evidence.
Unlike you, I do believe that the officials responsible for the administration of the
cricket laws in this country have been shown in the past to act in a manner contrary to
the best interests of the game.
No amount of playing with terms like 'voluntary' or 'not actually against the law'
would convince me otherwise. In fact the use of terms like that only serve to make me
feel someone is putting a spin on events.
>
> >the published memoirs of Australian umpires who vow to call him,
>
> Bullshit. Hair said the *IF* he thought that a player was throwing, he
> would call him. Since then, there has been evidence made available to
> him in relation to the "optical illusion" issue. There are no grounds
> to assume that Hair would be likely to again call him, more than any
> other umpire would. Larry has failed to provide proof to support his
> allegations that Hair knew of this evidence BEFORE he called him (or
> wrote the piece for the book). I find it hard to believe you could back
> Larry's stance on this.
>
I'm not backing Larry's stance.
Perhaps you ought to pay more attention to the posts on this group before you put your
foot in your overly large mouth. I'd doubt that a day goes by without someone from a
.au address calling Murali a chucker and a cheat and loudly asserting that Australian
umpires are the only ones in the world with the guts to rid the game of cheats like
this.
I can hardly believe that you haven't seen any of this.
And as for your support of the ACB, I can hardly credit that.
No doubt you think Warney and Waugh are heroes too?
How many eyes do you actually have?
>
> >the appalling
> >treatment he recieved last time he came out here and the continued press campaigns
> >against him.
>
> Australian press are worse than the "gutter English tabloids"? Should
> Perera boycott England tours?
>
> Geoff M
Well, both Australian and English press are largely owned by the same guy, so make your
own mind up.
A few weeks ago I published a selection of press articles from Muralis' last tour here.
They were hardly the most flattering and showed evidence of a campaign against him.
Yes, an international player ought to be able to ignore that.
But so should an international umpire, don't you think?
Higgsy
Colin Kynoch
Larry de Silva wrote:
> "Colin Kynoch" <kyn...@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
> news:3CFD42BC...@iprimus.com.au...
>
>>
>>Terry Walsh wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Article on Murali ... can be viewed at www.cricket-online.org
>>>
>>>Please keep comments non-racial
>>>
>>
>>Sounds like the BCCSL actually knows the truth and are scared it will
>>come out.
>>
>
>
> Evidence?
As much as you have that the Poms are trying to nobble Sri Lanka.
> I reckon that they are being very responsible with their triumph
> card. If Warne was called twice in Sri lanka, can you SERIOUSLY see him
> being allowed to tour there?
Yes.
> What set your best bowler up for humiliation by
> a cut & upset umpire like DH looking to leave his mark with another
> controversy to boost sakes of his next book?
How is this different to what you accused Australia of by not playing SL
in the WC?
I thought you were all for 'standing up to bullies'
Colin Kynoch
Colin Kynoch
Larry de Silva wrote:
> "Terry Walsh" <terry...@austarnet.com.au> wrote in message
> news:adj81a$hoj$1...@austar-news.austar.net.au...
>
>>Article on Murali ... can be viewed at www.cricket-online.org
>>
>>Please keep comments non-racial
>>
>
>
> Nothing too surprising there. I mean, why keep getting back on a horse that
> keeps on bucking you off & then stamping on you?
What happened to 'standing up to 'bullies''?
> The Aussies don't deserve
> another chance to call no ball everytime the poor bugger bowls & to have DH
> make an arse of himself again before retiring to write another book about
> Murali's diabolical action.
At least we agree about his action.
> He should have a good rest & freshen up for the
> far more important World Cup.
>
> Also the Sri Lankan's may have seen that Clang's recent comments were the
> start of another well orchestrated smear campaign against Murali. Why give
> others their chance for their 15 minutes of fame?
Why wouldn't the second best bowler in the world want to bowl to the
best batsman in the world?
> Murali has only ever been
> called for chucking in Australia, after bowling all over the world in
> getting over 400 test wickets. I wonder why??
Guts by the umpires.
Colin Kynoch
rourkster
<larryd...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
Only on the day they tested him. It's been tested and proved numerous
times since then on footage during games that he does chuck on certain
deliveries. It's like saying that someone who's a thief gets followed
by the Police for a day. If he doesn't steal anything that day does
that mean that he is forever more not a thief? An extreme comparison
granted, but hopefully you'll get my point. Although I doubt it.
Rourkster
rourkster
rourkster
wrote:
I am one of those with a .au address who has asserted that Australian
umpires have had the guts to call him and I certainly don't apologise
for that opinion. No amount of self righteousness from you or Larry is
going to change my opinion, nor do I think that my comments will
change yours. Life goes on.
>
>>
>> >the appalling
>> >treatment he recieved last time he came out here and the continued press campaigns
>> >against him.
>>
>> Australian press are worse than the "gutter English tabloids"? Should
>> Perera boycott England tours?
>>
>> Geoff M
>
>Well, both Australian and English press are largely owned by the same guy, so make your
>own mind up.
>A few weeks ago I published a selection of press articles from Muralis' last tour here.
>They were hardly the most flattering and showed evidence of a campaign against him.
>Yes, an international player ought to be able to ignore that.
>But so should an international umpire, don't you think?
>
>Higgsy
>
Why do you think the press waged a campaign against him? They all just
decided one day that they collectively didn't like Murali so thought
they'd crucify him?? Hardly. My memories of a lot of those articles
were that the authors took great pains to say that Murali as a person
is a decent bloke and it was nothing against him personally. They
waged a campaign because it was obvious to a majority of cricket
writers that the bloke chucks on certain deliveries. Plain & simple.
Those same writers also didn't agree with SL management's handling of
the issue nor the ICC's. I'd hardly call it a personal smear campaign.
Rourkster
pip
games that shows him chucking. I'd like to look at them.
Philip
Geoff Muldoon
>> An unfortunate incident for which Gilchrist has already personally
>> apologised to Murali.
>
>So you admit that it did actually happen?
That he said that Murali might occasionally throw isn't disputed by me.
>> Speculation. Irrelevant as, unlike Larry, I do not believe that the
>> officials responsible for administration of the laws are swayed by the
>> views of players or the media. I believe they are persons with
>> sufficient intelligence and integrity to fairly apply the laws using
>> professional critical analysis, without fear of player or media (but
>> maybe, understandably, of ICC) reprisals.
>
>Unlike you, I do believe that the officials responsible for the administration of the
>cricket laws in this country have been shown in the past to act in a manner contrary to
>the best interests of the game.
>No amount of playing with terms like 'voluntary' or 'not actually against the law'
>would convince me otherwise. In fact the use of terms like that only serve to make me
>feel someone is putting a spin on events.
You seem to address these remarks to the ACB (the handling of the W&W
thing?). In that, I agree with you. However, I made the remarks in
relation to the MATCH officials (umpires and referees) not the ACB.
>> >the published memoirs of Australian umpires who vow to call him,
>>
>> Bullshit. Hair said the *IF* he thought that a player was throwing, he
>> would call him. Since then, there has been evidence made available to
>> him in relation to the "optical illusion" issue. There are no grounds
>> to assume that Hair would be likely to again call him, more than any
>> other umpire would. Larry has failed to provide proof to support his
>> allegations that Hair knew of this evidence BEFORE he called him (or
>> wrote the piece for the book). I find it hard to believe you could back
>> Larry's stance on this.
>I'm not backing Larry's stance.
Good.
>Perhaps you ought to pay more attention to the posts on this group before you put your
>foot in your overly large mouth.
Oi! You're the one that seems to have things out of context here!
>I'd doubt that a day goes by without someone from a
>.au address calling Murali a chucker and a cheat and loudly asserting that Australian
>umpires are the only ones in the world with the guts to rid the game of cheats like
>this.
>I can hardly believe that you haven't seen any of this.
I have, but I still don't believe that the MATCH officials will take any
notice of r.s.c. ravings, players opinions or the media.
>And as for your support of the ACB, I can hardly credit that.
I didn't offer it. As noted above, and which SHOULD have been obvious
given the context of a player being called for throwing, I was
supporting the integrity of the MATCH officials. Not the ACB, MCC,
BCCI, BCCSL, etc.
>No doubt you think Warney and Waugh are heroes too?
No. Talented, yes. Stupid, yes. Criminals, no. Heroes, no.
>How many eyes do you actually have?
Three. All brown.
Geoff M
Larry de Silva
So you are now questioning Murali's integrity & honesty??
Fair dinkum crap dude.
Larrikin
>
> Rourkster
>
Larry de Silva
"pip" <lo...@wn.com.au> wrote in message news:3cfe...@quokka.wn.com.au...
Also the reasons for questioning Murali's honesty & integrity??
Larrikin
>
> Philip
>
>
Larry de Silva
And yet they question his integrity??
Larrikin
Ken Higgs
rourkster wrote:
well, that pretty much proves my point, doesn't it?
You think he chucks, I don't. Neither does Larry.
To intimate that Murali has no problems in this country or that there isn't the slightest
possibility that he'll be called here is simply incorrect.
This thread started out discussing why Murali might not come here, not does he chuck or not.
I put forward reasons why I thought he might be unhappy to come here.
I don't think anyone has actually argued the csae against that yet.
>
> >
> >>
> >> >the appalling
> >> >treatment he recieved last time he came out here and the continued press campaigns
> >> >against him.
> >>
> >> Australian press are worse than the "gutter English tabloids"? Should
> >> Perera boycott England tours?
> >>
> >> Geoff M
> >
> >Well, both Australian and English press are largely owned by the same guy, so make your
> >own mind up.
> >A few weeks ago I published a selection of press articles from Muralis' last tour here.
> >They were hardly the most flattering and showed evidence of a campaign against him.
> >Yes, an international player ought to be able to ignore that.
> >But so should an international umpire, don't you think?
> >
> >Higgsy
> >
> Why do you think the press waged a campaign against him? They all just
> decided one day that they collectively didn't like Murali so thought
> they'd crucify him?? Hardly. My memories of a lot of those articles
> were that the authors took great pains to say that Murali as a person
> is a decent bloke and it was nothing against him personally. They
> waged a campaign because it was obvious to a majority of cricket
> writers that the bloke chucks on certain deliveries. Plain & simple.
> Those same writers also didn't agree with SL management's handling of
> the issue nor the ICC's. I'd hardly call it a personal smear campaign.
>
> Rourkster
Calling him a cheat and then saying 'but he's basically a nice guy' is hardly the point, is
it?
There was a lot of speculation prior to his first tour here that he would be called. The
media, as is their wont, whipped this up to a frenzy and I'm convinced that plenty of people
based their views on those speculative articles. Those sort of people are present around us,
last week we had people asserting that they read it in the Daily Tele so it *must* be
correct.
I don't personally know the Aus team, but I'm reading stories in the press about how all the
team share Gillys view. Is this the start of another campaign?
I dunno, but doesn't it even vaguely suggest to you that Murali might have an uncomfortable
time when he comes here?
Higgsy
Anthony Swann
# Larry de Silva wrote:
#
# > What set your best bowler up for humiliation by
# > a cut & upset umpire like DH looking to leave his mark with another
# > controversy to boost sakes of his next book?
#
# How is this different to what you accused Australia of by not playing SL
# in the WC?
#
# I thought you were all for 'standing up to bullies'
Only when the bullies aren't Sri Lankan, apparently.
Ant.
--
remove "antispam." to reply.
Larry de Silva
>
>
> Larry de Silva wrote:
>
> > "Terry Walsh" <terry...@austarnet.com.au> wrote in message
> > news:adj81a$hoj$1...@austar-news.austar.net.au...
> >
> >>Article on Murali ... can be viewed at www.cricket-online.org
> >>
> >>Please keep comments non-racial
> >>
> >
> >
> > Nothing too surprising there. I mean, why keep getting back on a horse
that
> > keeps on bucking you off & then stamping on you?
>
>
> What happened to 'standing up to 'bullies''?
Stand up to them but don't fall into their well laid traps. Subtle
difference between the two. Why fall into a deep well just because you want
to stand up to a bullfrog in there??
> > The Aussies don't deserve
> > another chance to call no ball everytime the poor bugger bowls & to have
DH
> > make an arse of himself again before retiring to write another book
about
> > Murali's diabolical action.
>
>
> At least we agree about his action.
DH's words, not mine..................
> > He should have a good rest & freshen up for the
> > far more important World Cup.
> >
> > Also the Sri Lankan's may have seen that Clang's recent comments were
the
> > start of another well orchestrated smear campaign against Murali. Why
give
> > others their chance for their 15 minutes of fame?
>
>
> Why wouldn't the second best bowler in the world want to bowl to the
> best batsman in the world?
Doesn't Warne do this at Aussie training?
> > Murali has only ever been
> > called for chucking in Australia, after bowling all over the world in
> > getting over 400 test wickets. I wonder why??
>
>
> Guts by the umpires.
Guts for garters more likely!! Public lynching, humilation & victimising
specialists.
Larrikin
>
> Colin Kynoch
>
Larry de Silva
>
>
> Larry de Silva wrote:
>
> > "Colin Kynoch" <kyn...@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
> > news:3CFD42BC...@iprimus.com.au...
> >
> >>
> >>Terry Walsh wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Article on Murali ... can be viewed at www.cricket-online.org
> >>>
> >>>Please keep comments non-racial
> >>>
> >>
> >>Sounds like the BCCSL actually knows the truth and are scared it will
> >>come out.
> >>
> >
> >
> > Evidence?
>
>
> As much as you have that the Poms are trying to nobble Sri Lanka.
Perera has already been a victim. FACT. And yours??
> > I reckon that they are being very responsible with their triumph
> > card. If Warne was called twice in Sri lanka, can you SERIOUSLY see him
> > being allowed to tour there?
>
>
> Yes.
You cant be serious???!!!
>
> > What set your best bowler up for humiliation by
> > a cut & upset umpire like DH looking to leave his mark with another
> > controversy to boost sakes of his next book?
>
>
>
> How is this different to what you accused Australia of by not playing SL
> in the WC?
Murali has a history of being picked on by Aussie umires here. No Aussie has
ever been attacked by a terrorist in SL.
> I thought you were all for 'standing up to bullies'
Stand up to them but don't fall into their traps and then have to pay the
price to get out. Why play that silly game when you don't have to?
Larrikin
>
>
> Colin Kynoch
>
Anthony Swann
# "rourkster" <rour...@bigpond.com.au> wrote in message
# news:3cfd77e5...@news.bigpond.com...
#
# > Only on the day they tested him. It's been tested and proved numerous
# > times since then on footage during games that he does chuck on certain
# > deliveries. It's like saying that someone who's a thief gets followed
# > by the Police for a day. If he doesn't steal anything that day does
# > that mean that he is forever more not a thief? An extreme comparison
# > granted, but hopefully you'll get my point. Although I doubt it.
#
# So you are now questioning Murali's integrity & honesty??
# Fair dinkum crap dude.
*LL* You missed the point entirely, didn't you?
Ant (why on earth are we wasting our breath?).
AamirW
A couple of points OK three:
1. The report fails to mention the source of the press reports on
which the report is based.
2. And if Murali does decide not to go to Australia it may have more
to do with the way he was treated by the Australian crowds the last
time he toured there than the fear that he maybe no-balled.
3. All these claims that umpires are afraid to call Murali or for that
matter any other bowler are not only false but just as ridiculous as
claims that some umpires or media or whoever is out to get Murali or
other bowlers just because they are so damn good.
Aamir Waheed
Ken Higgs
Geoff Muldoon wrote:
> kenh...@hotmail.com says...
>
> >> An unfortunate incident for which Gilchrist has already personally
> >> apologised to Murali.
> >
> >So you admit that it did actually happen?
>
> That he said that Murali might occasionally throw isn't disputed by me.
>
so apology or not, I wasn't making it up when I said that a reason for him not coming might
be his labelling as a chucker by the current vc?
>
> >> Speculation. Irrelevant as, unlike Larry, I do not believe that the
> >> officials responsible for administration of the laws are swayed by the
> >> views of players or the media. I believe they are persons with
> >> sufficient intelligence and integrity to fairly apply the laws using
> >> professional critical analysis, without fear of player or media (but
> >> maybe, understandably, of ICC) reprisals.
> >
> >Unlike you, I do believe that the officials responsible for the administration of the
> >cricket laws in this country have been shown in the past to act in a manner contrary to
> >the best interests of the game.
> >No amount of playing with terms like 'voluntary' or 'not actually against the law'
> >would convince me otherwise. In fact the use of terms like that only serve to make me
> >feel someone is putting a spin on events.
>
> You seem to address these remarks to the ACB (the handling of the W&W
> thing?). In that, I agree with you. However, I made the remarks in
> relation to the MATCH officials (umpires and referees) not the ACB.
>
Well, they are all connected.
However, WRT, say, Hair, I am very sus about what he'd do.
>
> >> >the published memoirs of Australian umpires who vow to call him,
> >>
> >> Bullshit. Hair said the *IF* he thought that a player was throwing, he
> >> would call him. Since then, there has been evidence made available to
> >> him in relation to the "optical illusion" issue. There are no grounds
> >> to assume that Hair would be likely to again call him, more than any
> >> other umpire would. Larry has failed to provide proof to support his
> >> allegations that Hair knew of this evidence BEFORE he called him (or
> >> wrote the piece for the book). I find it hard to believe you could back
> >> Larry's stance on this.
>
> >I'm not backing Larry's stance.
>
> Good.
>
> >Perhaps you ought to pay more attention to the posts on this group before you put your
> >foot in your overly large mouth.
>
> Oi! You're the one that seems to have things out of context here!
Really?
I was under the impression that you were the one accusing me of backing Larrys stance.
>
>
>
> >I'd doubt that a day goes by without someone from a
> >.au address calling Murali a chucker and a cheat and loudly asserting that Australian
> >umpires are the only ones in the world with the guts to rid the game of cheats like
> >this.
> >I can hardly believe that you haven't seen any of this.
>
> I have, but I still don't believe that the MATCH officials will take any
> notice of r.s.c. ravings, players opinions or the media.
I hope you're right.
>
>
> >And as for your support of the ACB, I can hardly credit that.
>
> I didn't offer it. As noted above, and which SHOULD have been obvious
> given the context of a player being called for throwing, I was
> supporting the integrity of the MATCH officials. Not the ACB, MCC,
> BCCI, BCCSL, etc.
>
Actually, it was a wind up.
You accused me of supporting Larrys stance vis what Hair knew or didn't without any
justification so I accused you of adopting a Colin line.
Tit for tat.
>
> >No doubt you think Warney and Waugh are heroes too?
>
> No. Talented, yes. Stupid, yes. Criminals, no. Heroes, no.
>
That's pretty much my stance, except that I say it loudly, and possibly too often.
For that, I get accused of wanting them taken before a civil court, claiming that they are
guilty of numerous matchfixing charges or making up stories about how certain individuals on
this group seem to blindly support their actions.
>
> >How many eyes do you actually have?
>
> Three. All brown.
>
> Geoff M
well don't give me a wink
Higgsy
Colin Kynoch
Anthony Swann wrote:
Thanks for the clarification.
Colin Kynoch
Gafoor
"Anthony Swann" <a.s...@antispam.qut.edu.au> wrote in message
news:Pine.OSF.4.10.102060...@pigeon.qut.edu.au...
Actually, I think you are missing the point.
His point is that if you think Murali deliberately supressed
his chucking on the day of the test, then that means you
believe he was dishonest.
>
> Ant (why on earth are we wasting our breath?).
Now, this I agree with.
Larry de Silva
"Anthony Swann" <a.s...@antispam.qut.edu.au> wrote in message
news:Pine.OSF.4.10.102060...@pigeon.qut.edu.au...
>
> # "rourkster" <rour...@bigpond.com.au> wrote in message
> # news:3cfd77e5...@news.bigpond.com...
> #
> # > Only on the day they tested him. It's been tested and proved numerous
> # > times since then on footage during games that he does chuck on certain
> # > deliveries. It's like saying that someone who's a thief gets followed
> # > by the Police for a day. If he doesn't steal anything that day does
> # > that mean that he is forever more not a thief? An extreme comparison
> # > granted, but hopefully you'll get my point. Although I doubt it.
> #
> # So you are now questioning Murali's integrity & honesty??
> # Fair dinkum crap dude.
>
> *LL* You missed the point entirely, didn't you?
No but YOU missed answering my question, didn't you??
You cant answer it, can you dude?
> Ant (why on earth are we wasting our breath?).
Because deep down you know that I DO have a very good point. You just don't
like my demeanour & the tone of my posts at times. That is a fair
observation.
Larrikin
Larry de Silva
"Gafoor" <rro...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
news:adkaot$11n1oe$1...@ID-27262.news.dfncis.de...
Well, here is a challenge. Can YOU answer my question? WHY are people here
questioning Murali's integrity & honesty??
Larrikin
Larry de Silva
> On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 11:10:48 +1000, "Larry de Silva"
> <larryd...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Legend" <pandan...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
> >news:mlbL8.5216$Hj3....@newsfeeds.bigpond.com...
> >>
> >> "Glenn Anderson" <gband...@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
> >> news:nNaL8.4870$3t6.2...@ozemail.com.au...
> >> > Talk about spitting the dummy
> >> > "Col" <C...@home.nz> wrote in message
> >> > news:Aij9PAYP5encHNIe=JLse6...@4ax.com...
> >> > > On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 06:30:05 +1000, "Terry Walsh"
> >> > <terry...@austarnet.com.au>
> >> > > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >Please keep comments non-racial
> >> > >
call
> the cheat .
In your lousy opinion dude.
Larrikin
>
> --
>
> Col
>
> Backs to the wall chaps. Larry has come out of the closet.
> "And to have someone like me stick it up him"
> Larry da Silva May 2002
Ken Higgs
Larry de Silva wrote:
> Well, here is a challenge. Can YOU answer my question? WHY are people here
> questioning Murali's integrity & honesty??
>
> Larrikin
I can't answer your question, but I can say that some people here think he
chucks. This they equate to cheating, therefore he's dishonest.
I don't think he chucks and from all interviews I've seen of him and things
people say about him (he's a nice bloke etc), he comes across as honest.
Even if people do think he chucks, I think they put the backs up of his
supporters by labelling him a 'cheat' or dishonest.
Then again, perhaps that is what they aim to do
Higgsy
Larry de Silva
> On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 11:07:05 +1000, "Larry de Silva"
> <larryd...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Col" <C...@home.nz> wrote in message
> >news:Aij9PAYP5encHNIe=JLse6...@4ax.com...
> >> On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 06:30:05 +1000, "Terry Walsh"
> ><terry...@austarnet.com.au>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Article on Murali ... can be viewed at www.cricket-online.org
> >> >
> >> >Please keep comments non-racial
> >>
> >> If he doesn't tour Aussie because of his fear of getting no balled so
> >close to
> >> the world cup my only comment is that he must feel he is guilty of
> >throwing
> >> otherwise he'd say " I am not a chucka and I will play in Aussie" . He
is
> >a
> >> gutless wonder.
> >
> >
walk
> >into a campaign to call him again in Australia? It only ever happens
here.
> >Only a bloody dickhead like you will go back to get your head bashed in
each
> >time. Let him rest and play in the far more important World Cup. Bugger
> >coming here to be abused by the likes of you each time he bowls. That
WOULD
> >be stupid. Murali is not as dumb as you.
> >
> >Larrikin
> >
Not for you smelly snot basket.
> if he thinks he doesn't throw and the SL
> board don't think he throws then whats the problem ?
Just that a couple of dickhead Aussie umpires may think of revenge for being
pushed aside by the elite panel for calling him, busted dick.
>just tell the Australian
> board "Muri does not throw"
Yeah bloody right! That worked a frigging treat last time SL toured!!
>Easy enough for you you acne faced fart head ?
Yes but obviously not for you, septic arsed camel breath.
Larrikin
>
> --
> Col
>
> The primary responsibility for a child's
> education is apparent.
Larry de Silva
So you take clarification from Ant but not from me.................like HE
knows what I said!...........................good one Colin.
Larrikin
>
> Colin Kynoch
>
Larry de Silva
"AamirW" <aamir...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:dc052fb3.02060...@posting.google.com...
> "Terry Walsh" <terry...@austarnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:<adj81a$hoj$1...@austar-news.austar.net.au>...
> > Article on Murali ... can be viewed at www.cricket-online.org
> >
> > Please keep comments non-racial
>
> A couple of points OK three:
>
> 1. The report fails to mention the source of the press reports on
> which the report is based.
>
> 2. And if Murali does decide not to go to Australia it may have more
> to do with the way he was treated by the Australian crowds the last
> time he toured there than the fear that he maybe no-balled.
Fair point.
> 3. All these claims that umpires are afraid to call Murali or for that
> matter any other bowler are not only false but just as ridiculous as
> claims that some umpires or media or whoever is out to get Murali or
> other bowlers just because they are so damn good.
Evidence?
Larrikin
>
> Aamir Waheed
Gafoor
"Larry de Silva" <larryd...@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
news:uFiL8.5118$3t6.2...@ozemail.com.au...
> > Actually, I think you are missing the point.
> >
> > His point is that if you think Murali deliberately supressed
> > his chucking on the day of the test, then that means you
> > believe he was dishonest.
> >
> > >
> > > Ant (why on earth are we wasting our breath?).
> >
> > Now, this I agree with.
>
>
> Well, here is a challenge. Can YOU answer my question? WHY are
people here
> questioning Murali's integrity & honesty??
Why are you questioning the integrity & honesty of the English Press ?
Why are you questioning the integrity & honesty of the umpires who
called
Murali ?
Or Micheal Holding, Bedi & everyone else who disagrees with you.
Larry de Silva
>
> "Larry de Silva" <larryd...@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
> news:uFiL8.5118$3t6.2...@ozemail.com.au...
> > > Actually, I think you are missing the point.
> > >
> > > His point is that if you think Murali deliberately supressed
> > > his chucking on the day of the test, then that means you
> > > believe he was dishonest.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Ant (why on earth are we wasting our breath?).
> > >
> > > Now, this I agree with.
> >
> >
> > Well, here is a challenge. Can YOU answer my question? WHY are
> people here
> > questioning Murali's integrity & honesty??
>
> Why are you questioning the integrity & honesty of the English Press ?
I'm questioning their motives
> Why are you questioning the integrity & honesty of the umpires who
> called
> Murali ?
I have only accused them of making a mistake. People with integrity can
still make mistakes.
> Or Micheal Holding, Bedi
Because they both have hidden & not so hidden agendas which I have
highlighted many times.
> & everyone else who disagrees with you.
When have I ever questioned the integrity & honesty of ALL who disagree with
me? Only the dickheads dude.
Larrikin
Gafoor
>
> "Gafoor" <rro...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
> news:adke9l$12fl57$1...@ID-27262.news.dfncis.de...
> >
> > "Larry de Silva" <larryd...@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
> > news:uFiL8.5118$3t6.2...@ozemail.com.au...
> > > > Actually, I think you are missing the point.
> > > >
> > > > His point is that if you think Murali deliberately supressed
> > > > his chucking on the day of the test, then that means you
> > > > believe he was dishonest.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Ant (why on earth are we wasting our breath?).
> > > >
> > > > Now, this I agree with.
> > >
> > >
> > > Well, here is a challenge. Can YOU answer my question? WHY are
> > people here
> > > questioning Murali's integrity & honesty??
> >
> > Why are you questioning the integrity & honesty of the English
Press ?
>
>
> I'm questioning their motives
What the hell does that mean ?
Are you saying that the English press is trying to get Perara & Murali
out of the WC & being honest while doing it ?
> > Why are you questioning the integrity & honesty of the umpires who
> > called
> > Murali ?
>
>
> I have only accused them of making a mistake. People with integrity
can
> still make mistakes.
> > Or Micheal Holding, Bedi
>
>
> Because they both have hidden & not so hidden agendas which I have
> highlighted many times.
Likewise people may think that Murali's agenda while not chucking
during 'conducted tests' is to avoid being called a chucker.
Colin Kynoch
Gafoor wrote:
Not at all.
He would have been extremely concious of his action. (How could he not be)
Therefore as he was extremely concious of his action he would have been
bowling legally.
The coinditions under which he was tested are very far removed from
match conditions.
Colin Kynoch
Colin Kynoch
Larry de Silva wrote:
Well Anthony's clarification is consitent with what you have posted on
this ng.
Colin Kynoch
Geoff Muldoon
>> Why are you questioning the integrity & honesty of the umpires who
>> called Murali ?
>
>I have only accused them of making a mistake. People with integrity can
>still make mistakes.
I challenge you on that one. You have said that Hair had *premeditated
intention* of calling Murali. And you have challenged the integrity of
the umpire's in the Perera case, saying that they caved in to media
pressure. Don't deny it.
Geoff M
Terry Walsh
news:<adj81a$hoj$1...@austar-news.austar.net.au>...
>
> 1. The report fails to mention the source of the press reports on
> which the report is based.
>
I don't normally need to quote sources but I can corroborate this story by
pasting a similar article that is from Sth African Press Assoc & Assoc
Press, it is lengthy and goes into a bit more detail and also goes on to
report about Murali being told to "shut-up" by his team management.
Paste below of full article
Cheers
Muddy
London - Controversial off-spinner Muttiah Muralitharan has privately
expressed his unwillingness to tour Australia with Sri Lanka later this
year.
Former World Cup winners Sri Lanka will join Australia and England in the
annual 10-match tri-series before the 2003 World Cup in South Africa.
Australia remains the only country where Muralitharan has been called for
throwing.
When umpire Darrell Hair first called him - seven times in all - in front of
a 55 239 spectators in December 1995, it threatened to harm cricketing ties
between the two countries.
In 1998, when another Australian umpire, Ross Emerson, no-balled him from
square leg during a one-day game against England at the Adelaide Oval, then
skipper Arjuna Ranatunga threatened to take the team off the ground and
concede the game.
Muralitharan has been since cleared of throwing by the International Cricket
Council (ICC) after bio-mechanical studies headed by Sri Lanka's bowling
coach, Daryl Foster, proved the bowler's bent arm - a birth deformity which
cannot be corrected - created an optical illusion.
It is understood that Muralitharan's decision has the support of the team
management and the new-look selection committee headed by former
wicketkeeper Guy de Alwis.
Ranatunga had also said that Muralitharan should not tour Australia again
after previous treatment handed out to him by the public and umpires.
The crowds called out "no-ball" every time he bowled, while on New Year's
Eve in 1998, Australians booed and called Muralitharan a "chucker" as the
team jogged through the streets.
"I don't think he should go to Australia," a senior official said on the
condition of anonymity. "It's only a one-day series. The World Cup is around
the corner and we don't want any unwanted distractions. We've heard through
others that he doesn't want to go there. We can't force him to do anything
he doesn't want to."
Recently, Muralitharan spent four weeks in Melbourne to receive treatment on
his injured left shoulder.
The bowler tore a ligament and suffered a partial dislocation during a
fielding mishap on his 30th birthday in Sharjah. He returned to the Sri
Lanka side for the second Test against England at Edgbaston.
Sri Lanka suffered a comprehensive an innings and 111 runs defeat to give
England a 1-0 lead in the three-math series.
Meanwhile, Muralitharan has been warned by the tour management following his
unhappiness at being selected for Edgbaston and the side's performance.
The tour management and coach Dav Whatmore in particular, came under
criticism for forcing a half-fit Muralitharan to play. The off-spinner had
the best return by the tourists in a disappointing performance, as he bowled
64 overs to claim 5-143.
"The problem with him is he doesn't think before he talks," a source in the
team said. "This is not the first time he's got into trouble."
"You cannot expect a miracle bowling spell from me every time," Muralitharan
told journalists after the third day's play. "Sometimes I have to take all
the wickets. In this match, for example, the rest of the bowlers weren't up
to the mark but in the Lord's Test they were.
"I can't bat and I can't field, that restricts me and I don't want to be
like that, it's ugly," Muralitharan added. "But if the team and the
selectors want me to play I will. They asked me whether I could, so I told
them I could bowl but not do other things."
Muralitharan also said he was unsure if he would be available for the final
Test at Old Trafford next week.
Muralitharan, who became the fifth most successful bowler in Test cricket,
had made a similar comment in the past and created a dissension in the team.
Team manager Chandra Schaffter was unavailable for comment. - Sapa-AP
Cicero
>
> Yes but obviously not for you, septic arsed camel breath.
>
Hmmmmm.
A.Melon
"Larry de Silva" <larryd...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>
>snip
>
> > Ant (why on earth are we wasting our breath?).
>
>
> Because deep down you know that I DO have a very good point. You
just don't
> like my demeanour & the tone of my posts at times. That is a fair
> observation.
You tell someone what you want to believe and then you pass
judgement on that which you've invented.
Dim Watch
kalu
> Larry de Silva wrote:
>
>> "Colin Kynoch" <kyn...@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
>> news:3CFD42BC...@iprimus.com.au...
>>
>>
>>>Terry Walsh wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Article on Murali ... can be viewed at www.cricket-online.org
>>>>
>>>>Please keep comments non-racial
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Sounds like the BCCSL actually knows the truth and are scared it
>>>will come out.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Evidence?
>
>
> As much as you have that the Poms are trying to nobble Sri Lanka.
Go on Col, tell me what evidence you have !!! Or are you just talking
rubbish as normal? (*kalu* adjusts back to the norms of rsc.)
<snip>
>> What set your best bowler up for humiliation by a cut & upset
>> umpire like DH looking to leave his mark with another controversy
>> to boost sakes of his next book?
>
>
>
> How is this different to what you accused Australia of by not
> playing SL in the WC?
Relevance? Please do tell me how it is _similar_ !
Kalu
> I thought you were all for 'standing up to bullies'
>
>
> Colin Kynoch
kalu
> On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 06:30:05 +1000, "Terry Walsh"
> <terry...@austarnet.com.au> wrote:
>
>>Article on Murali ... can be viewed at www.cricket-online.org
>>
>>Please keep comments non-racial
>
> If he doesn't tour Aussie because of his fear of getting no balled
> so close to the world cup my only comment is that he must feel he is
> guilty of throwing otherwise he'd say " I am not a chucka and I will
> play in Aussie" . He is a gutless wonder. --
Well, considering the amount of abuse that the SL team has to cope
with from AUS players, media and supporters, I'm surprised any of the
SL players would want to come to AUS.
There was wonderfully funny comment by Murali on 'the panel'. When
asked how he copes with the sledging/abuse by AUS players, he said we
just smile and that makes them even more upset. hehe...Larry, I think
that is a lesson for all of us, don't you think? :-)
Kalu
> Col
>
> According to archaeologists, for millions of years Neanderthal man
> was not fully erect.
> That's pretty easy to understand considering how ugly Neanderthal
> woman was.
Larry de Silva
>
> "Larry de Silva" <larryd...@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
> news:3ijL8.5135$3t6.2...@ozemail.com.au...
> >
> > "Gafoor" <rro...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
> > news:adke9l$12fl57$1...@ID-27262.news.dfncis.de...
> > >
> > > "Larry de Silva" <larryd...@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
> > > news:uFiL8.5118$3t6.2...@ozemail.com.au...
> > > > > Actually, I think you are missing the point.
> > > > >
> > > > > His point is that if you think Murali deliberately supressed
> > > > > his chucking on the day of the test, then that means you
> > > > > believe he was dishonest.
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ant (why on earth are we wasting our breath?).
> > > > >
> > > > > Now, this I agree with.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Well, here is a challenge. Can YOU answer my question? WHY are
> > > people here
> > > > questioning Murali's integrity & honesty??
> > >
> > > Why are you questioning the integrity & honesty of the English
> Press ?
> >
> >
> > I'm questioning their motives
>
> What the hell does that mean ?
> Are you saying that the English press is trying to get Perara & Murali
> out of the WC & being honest while doing it ?
I think that they are honestly trying to discredit them.
> > > Why are you questioning the integrity & honesty of the umpires who
> > > called
> > > Murali ?
> >
> >
> > I have only accused them of making a mistake. People with integrity
> can
> > still make mistakes.
> > > Or Micheal Holding, Bedi
> >
> >
> > Because they both have hidden & not so hidden agendas which I have
> > highlighted many times.
>
> Likewise people may think that Murali's agenda while not chucking
> during 'conducted tests' is to avoid being called a chucker.
People may think that but these very same people would also believe that the
earth was flat.
Larrikin
Larry de Silva
"Geoff Muldoon" <gmul...@scu.edu.au> wrote in message
news:MPG.1768735d3...@news.suburbia.com.au...
> larryd...@ozemail.com.au says...
>
> >> Why are you questioning the integrity & honesty of the umpires who
> >> called Murali ?
> >
> >I have only accused them of making a mistake. People with integrity can
> >still make mistakes.
>
> I challenge you on that one. You have said that Hair had *premeditated
> intention* of calling Murali.
I said it was his sub conscious bias dude.
> And you have challenged the integrity of
> the umpire's in the Perera case, saying that they caved in to media
> pressure. Don't deny it.
The question was related to the Murali case dude. Have a look.
Larrikin
>
> Geoff M
Larry de Silva
"kalu" <ka...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3cfdeac3$1...@news.iprimus.com.au...
> On Wed, 05 Jun 2002 06:51:58 +1000, Col wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 06:30:05 +1000, "Terry Walsh"
> > <terry...@austarnet.com.au> wrote:
> >
> >>Article on Murali ... can be viewed at www.cricket-online.org
> >>
> >>Please keep comments non-racial
> >
> > If he doesn't tour Aussie because of his fear of getting no balled
> > so close to the world cup my only comment is that he must feel he is
> > guilty of throwing otherwise he'd say " I am not a chucka and I will
> > play in Aussie" . He is a gutless wonder. --
>
> Well, considering the amount of abuse that the SL team has to cope
> with from AUS players, media and supporters, I'm surprised any of the
> SL players would want to come to AUS.
>
> There was wonderfully funny comment by Murali on 'the panel'. When
> asked how he copes with the sledging/abuse by AUS players, he said we
> just smile and that makes them even more upset. hehe...Larry, I think
> that is a lesson for all of us, don't you think? :-)
Good one machang! Turn the other cheek stuff! For me, it depended on what
was said as to which cheek I turned....!! ;-)
Larrikin
alvey
So he's willing to come here and get medical treatment, appear on a live
chat show, do photo ops at FFC yet now he's allegedly saying he won't tour
here? Odd that.
Theory: With the chucking issue being topical at present, (nice one Clang),
the SL brains trust have floated this story out to get the ACB to put
pressure on the umps not to report MM. Although I'm not sure why they'd
bother as, after watching Perera at Lords, I suspect that Cy Young would
only be a 50-50 chance to be actually called on the ground nowadays.
Alvey
Dave Hall
"Ken Higgs" <kenh...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3CFDC9B5...@hotmail.com...
>
>
> Larry de Silva wrote:
>
> > Well, here is a challenge. Can YOU answer my question? WHY are people
here
> > questioning Murali's integrity & honesty??
> >
> > Larrikin
>
> I can't answer your question, but I can say that some people here think he
> chucks. This they equate to cheating, therefore he's dishonest.
> I don't think he chucks and from all interviews I've seen of him and
things
> people say about him (he's a nice bloke etc), he comes across as honest.
Brett Lee comes across as a nice bloke too. He also was accused of chucking,
did he play the racist card?
Dave Hall
> > On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 11:10:48 +1000, "Larry de Silva"
> > <larryd...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >"Legend" <pandan...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
> > >news:mlbL8.5216$Hj3....@newsfeeds.bigpond.com...
> > >>
> > >> "Glenn Anderson" <gband...@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
> > >> news:nNaL8.4870$3t6.2...@ozemail.com.au...
> > >> > Talk about spitting the dummy
> > >> > <terry...@austarnet.com.au>
> > >> > > wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > >Article on Murali ... can be viewed at www.cricket-online.org
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >Please keep comments non-racial
> > >> > >
> > >> > > If he doesn't tour Aussie because of his fear of getting no
balled
> so
> > >> > close to
> > >> > > the world cup my only comment is that he must feel he is guilty
of
> > >> > throwing
> > >> > > otherwise he'd say " I am not a chucka and I will play in Aussie"
.
> He
> > >> is
> > >> > a
> > >> > > gutless wonder.
> > >> > > --
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> might have something to do with he has no where near the potency on
the
> > >hard
> > >> and boucy Australian pitches that he has on the doctored Sri Lankan
> > >pitches.
> > >> Could also be that he doesn't want to miss the world cup as he will
> surely
> > >> be no balled again for throwing.
> > >
> > >
> > >OK dude, tell me one small thing? WHY on earth is he only EVER called
in
> > >Australia? Do tell as you then intimate that ALL the other umpires
around
> > >the world, including the English county umpires, are blatantly
> incompetent
> > >but that the couple of Aussie umpires are correct!! What a load of
> rubbish.
> > >
> > >Larrikin
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Telling it like it is without race or bias
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > Because the Aussie umpires were the only one's with enough guts to
> > actually call him. Other non Aussie umpires could only bring
> > themselves to report his action to the match referee & ICC rather than
> > directly call him.
>
>
> So all retribution & victimising of an innocent player is done only in
> Australia? WHY?? Because it has been tested & proved that Murali doesn't
> chuck.
>
Yeah? By the ICC? I'd like to see that "proof".
> Larrikin
>
>
> > Rourkster
> >
>
>
p masud
> >
> >
> > Col wrote:
> >
> > > On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 06:30:05 +1000, "Terry Walsh"
> <terry...@austarnet.com.au>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >Article on Murali ... can be viewed at www.cricket-online.org
> > > >
> > > >Please keep comments non-racial
> > >
> > > If he doesn't tour Aussie because of his fear of getting no balled so
> close to
> > > the world cup my only comment is that he must feel he is guilty of
> throwing
> > > otherwise he'd say " I am not a chucka and I will play in Aussie" . He
> is a
> > > gutless wonder.
> > > --
> > >
> > > Col
> > >
> > > man was not fully erect.
> > > That's pretty easy to understand considering how ugly
> > > Neanderthal woman was.
> >
> Australian
> > vice captain, the reports that all the Australian cricket team share his
> view, the
> > published memoirs of Australian umpires who vow to call him, the appalling
> > treatment he recieved last time he came out here and the continued press
> campaigns
> > against him.
> >
> > Hardly a ringing endorsement for coming to Australia, is it?
>
>
> Exactly right Higgsy. Why are the other posters so dumb as to not see this?
Assuming again, not all, Larry.
I think he should rest for the upcoming WC, and not bother with
down-under pricks, afterall, he knows what's in the bag, not only that
his plate is full of DHs. So, rest Murali and deprive them of seeing
a living legend of cricket.
Afterall, It's only a matter of time before Murli answer's back, and
it will be with the bowl in WC final, I just hope it will be against
Australia.
you are not alone Larry, however, I'm not a fool or a chutyia, LOL,
just kidding
Cheers
PerVez the VezPer
Gafoor
You are playing with words here. As usual you have skirted the
question.
>
>
> > > > Why are you questioning the integrity & honesty of the umpires
who
> > > > called
> > > > Murali ?
> > >
> > >
> > > I have only accused them of making a mistake. People with
integrity
> > can
> > > still make mistakes.
> > > > Or Micheal Holding, Bedi
> > >
> > >
> > > Because they both have hidden & not so hidden agendas which I
have
> > > highlighted many times.
> >
> > Likewise people may think that Murali's agenda while not chucking
> > during 'conducted tests' is to avoid being called a chucker.
>
>
> People may think that but these very same people would also believe
that the
> earth was flat.
Just like the people who think Holding has a hidden agenda.
Mike Price
<ke...@xtra.co.nz.lackofspam> wrote:
>
>Why is it not cowardly for Murali to not go to Australia because he might be
>called for chucking, but it is cowardly for New Zealand to leave Pakistan
>after a bomb exploded outside their hotel?
>
Probably because Murali is the Sri Lankan cricket hero and the NZ
cricket team... well, they are just a bunch of New Zealanders.
Mike Price
>Well, considering the amount of abuse that the SL team has to cope
>with from AUS players, media and supporters, I'm surprised any of the
>SL players would want to come to AUS.
... What? The only people I remember acting like bully-boys in recent
years in Australia were Runnertunga and Aravinda De Silva. The only
person who could think the Australian media "abuses" Sri Lanka is an
out and out fuckwit who considers "not instantly agreeing with the
point of view of the Sri Lankan team and it's players" abuse. As
someone pointed out elsewhere in this thread. The Aussie media paints
a picture of Murali, the nice guy with the doubtful bowling action.
Hardly what I would call abuse.
You see, Australians -ARE- great lovers of the underdog and for this
reason Sri Lanka was quite well loved for many years. Unfortunately,
we also like things to be -right- and fair and a lot of us frankly
believe Murali has an illegal action. The thought of him taking over
the leading wicket taking record of all time quite frankly makes me
want to vomit.
If there was ever some comprehensive proof that Murali didn't chuck, I
would wish him well and have no problem with his rightful place as the
leading wicket taker (assuming he reaches that mark), but I just cant
accept a few balls in lab conditions as "proof".
>
>There was wonderfully funny comment by Murali on 'the panel'. When
>asked how he copes with the sledging/abuse by AUS players, he said we
>just smile and that makes them even more upset. hehe..
Except when you are doing the "smiling" from Sri Lanka because you
were too gutless to come and play in Australia, this sort of loses
some of it's impact.
Mike Price
<terry...@austarnet.com.au> wrote:
>Article on Murali ... can be viewed at www.cricket-online.org
>
>Please keep comments non-racial
*sigh*
I am so sick of Murali. Can't we just get back to the "Vaas is gay"
thread? :)
Colin Kynoch
kalu wrote:
> On Wed, 05 Jun 2002 12:23:43 +1000, Colin Kynoch wrote:
>
>
>
>
>>Larry de Silva wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Colin Kynoch" <kyn...@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
>>>news:3CFD42BC...@iprimus.com.au...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Terry Walsh wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Article on Murali ... can be viewed at www.cricket-online.org
>>>>>
>>>>>Please keep comments non-racial
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>Sounds like the BCCSL actually knows the truth and are scared it
>>>>will come out.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Evidence?
>>>
>>
>>As much as you have that the Poms are trying to nobble Sri Lanka.
>>
>
> Go on Col, tell me what evidence you have !!! Or are you just talking
> rubbish as normal? (*kalu* adjusts back to the norms of rsc.)
When Larry provides the evidence that England are trying to nobble SL.
Both are just opinions.
> <snip>
>
>>>What set your best bowler up for humiliation by a cut & upset
>>>umpire like DH looking to leave his mark with another controversy
>>>to boost sakes of his next book?
>>>
>>
>>
>>How is this different to what you accused Australia of by not
>>playing SL in the WC?
>>
>
> Relevance? Please do tell me how it is _similar_ !
LArry got stuck into Australia for not playing saying they were cowards
and giving in to terrorism.
In this case Murali would be the coward and giving into 'bullying',
'victimisation' whatever mantra you choose.
I'll admit Murali would be much more of a coward as his life hasn't been
threatened in Australia to my knowledge.
BTW for the record I don't consider the Aussies were cowards, I think
they made the right decision. If Murali is scared of coming to
Australia then it is more like he knows that his action isn't always
legal and knows Aussie umpires aren't as scared as some.
Colin Kynoch
Moby
> Geoff Muldoon wrote:
> > >No doubt you think Warney and Waugh are heroes too?
> >
> > No. Talented, yes. Stupid, yes. Criminals, no. Heroes, no.
> >
>
> That's pretty much my stance, except that I say it loudly, and possibly too > often.
> For that, I get accused of wanting them taken before a civil court, claiming that they are
> guilty of numerous matchfixing charges
You really are a complete looney, aren't you.
What you do too often is say that Colin Kynoch called them heroes and
legends *WITHOUT MENTIONING WHAT HE CALLED THEM THAT FOR* How many
damn times do you have to be told *WHY* people take issue before you
can accept that this is indeed why they take issue?
And then you rabbit on about people saying *YOU* want them taken
before a civil court when it was blindingly obvious to the most
over-qualified villiage clown that it was directed at someone else
(Shridhar's most recent alias)... or saying that YOU said they were
guilty of numberous match fixing charges when said villiage idiot
would have realised that the comments were made to describe what
others might defend W&W from without declaring them to be "heroes
and/or legends."
In case it wasn't already clear (ie, in case you don't read) I don't
think W&W are heroes and/or legends. I don't think they are guilty of
anything other than what they did. If I am defending W&W it is only
against further accusations and not against the point that they gave
pitch and weather information to a book maker for money.
If you feel I gave the impression that I thought something else in the
past, you have received the wrong impression.
> or making up stories about how certain individuals on
> this group seem to blindly support their actions.
I don't know why you'd be "accused" of making that up. It's perfectly
true. The problem arises when you start assuming that anyone who
doesn't like you not mentioning the context Kynoch said "heroes and/or
legends" thinks they are heroes or legends or doesn't think what they
did was wrong.
It seems to me we have a very, very similar take on W&W, but come at
it from different ways. That is, you object to the "heroes and/or
legends" while ignoring the "master criminals" and I object to the
"master criminals," but ignore the "heroes and/legends" (although this
isn't quite correct, as I regularly acknowledge that CK's comment was
out of place while trying to find the middle ground, but you rearely,
if ever, qualify your own blasts at me with the overt acceptance that
what I was replying to was rubbish). Despite arriving at pretty much
the same answer, however, it seems to me that you don't like it if I
say exactly the same thing you do, but to a different audience.
Moby
Ken Higgs
alvey wrote:
Or it could be that the latest clang from Clang came *after* Murali had been
here for medical treatment, appear on a tv chat show etc.
But hang on, that's way too simple an explanation, isn't it.
Nah, let's go with the QCCC theory, it puts SL in a much worse light (and
neatly get Clang off the hook)
Higgsy
Ken Higgs
Dave Hall wrote:
> "Ken Higgs" <kenh...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:3CFDC9B5...@hotmail.com...
> >
> >
> > Larry de Silva wrote:
> >
> > > Well, here is a challenge. Can YOU answer my question? WHY are people
> here
> > > questioning Murali's integrity & honesty??
> > >
> > > Larrikin
> >
> > I can't answer your question, but I can say that some people here think he
> > chucks. This they equate to cheating, therefore he's dishonest.
> > I don't think he chucks and from all interviews I've seen of him and
> things
> > people say about him (he's a nice bloke etc), he comes across as honest.
>
> Brett Lee comes across as a nice bloke too. He also was accused of chucking,
> did he play the racist card?
>
How many cones was that today Dave?
Brett 'petulant' Lee comes across as a nice bloke?
Yeah, right, so does Genghis Khan.
BLeet didn't go through half what Murali did.
And what racist card did Murali play?
Higgsy
Ken Higgs
Mike Price wrote:
Mike,
if I may say so, what a crock of shite, laced with bland generalisations.
You may consider that Rana etc was a bully and that people like McGrath
has acted impeccably throughout, but plenty don't see it that way.
Plenty here DO have a problem with the Aussie press and their previous
hounding of Murali.
And as for Australians being a lover of the underdog, what a joke.
Some do, some don't.
Get over it and take the tickets off yourself
Higgsy
Ken Higgs
Moby wrote:
> Ken Higgs <kenh...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<3CFD9E73...@hotmail.com>...
> > Geoff Muldoon wrote:
>
> > > >No doubt you think Warney and Waugh are heroes too?
> > >
> > > No. Talented, yes. Stupid, yes. Criminals, no. Heroes, no.
> > >
> >
> > That's pretty much my stance, except that I say it loudly, and possibly too > often.
> > For that, I get accused of wanting them taken before a civil court, claiming that they are
> > guilty of numerous matchfixing charges
>
> You really are a complete looney, aren't you.
>
No
>
> What you do too often is say that Colin Kynoch called them heroes and
> legends *WITHOUT MENTIONING WHAT HE CALLED THEM THAT FOR* How many
> damn times do you have to be told *WHY* people take issue before you
> can accept that this is indeed why they take issue?
>
Colin called them heroes and made up this little story about how they voluntarily fronted up to
the ACB, therefore they are heroes.
That simply didn't happen.
Stop defending the ridiculous Colins on this group if you don't want to be grouped with them.
>
> And then you rabbit on about people saying *YOU* want them taken
> before a civil court when it was blindingly obvious to the most
> over-qualified villiage clown that it was directed at someone else
> (Shridhar's most recent alias)... or saying that YOU said they were
> guilty of numberous match fixing charges when said villiage idiot
> would have realised that the comments were made to describe what
> others might defend W&W from without declaring them to be "heroes
> and/or legends."
>
Moby, you claim some sort of training in journalism yet you continually fail to make even the
most basic things clear.
You quite clearly responded to me on the topic of Warney and heroes etc and carried on about a
federal investigation without *once* mentioning Shridhar (besides, it was JL, but don't let that
worry you too much) and telling*me* how I'd have to watch what I said, lest I expose myself as a
hypocrite.
And now you tell me that it was blindingly obvious that you meant Shridhar (tho' I can't think
why, seeing as it was JL who said all the original stuff) and not me.
This journalism course you did.
You're not seriously going to tell us you passed, are you?
>
> In case it wasn't already clear (ie, in case you don't read) I don't
> think W&W are heroes and/or legends. I don't think they are guilty of
> anything other than what they did. If I am defending W&W it is only
> against further accusations and not against the point that they gave
> pitch and weather information to a book maker for money.
>
As I said before, why not tell that to JL, after all, he was the one who intimated that there
might be more to it?
All I'm doing is saying I certainly don't think W&W were heroes (or legends or whatever) and if
the topic of bookies and cricketers comes up, you'll always find their names mentioned.
What's the big surprise there?
>
> If you feel I gave the impression that I thought something else in the
> past, you have received the wrong impression.
>
Can you then clarify your position?
>
> > or making up stories about how certain individuals on
> > this group seem to blindly support their actions.
>
> I don't know why you'd be "accused" of making that up. It's perfectly
> true. The problem arises when you start assuming that anyone who
> doesn't like you not mentioning the context Kynoch said "heroes and/or
> legends" thinks they are heroes or legends or doesn't think what they
> did was wrong.
>
The 'making up' is this weird Colinesque theory that Warney and Waugh voluntarily fronted the
ACB to tell them about John, which I was told was correct.
>
> It seems to me we have a very, very similar take on W&W, but come at
> it from different ways. That is, you object to the "heroes and/or
> legends" while ignoring the "master criminals" and I object to the
> "master criminals," but ignore the "heroes and/legends" (although this
> isn't quite correct, as I regularly acknowledge that CK's comment was
> out of place while trying to find the middle ground, but you rearely,
> if ever, qualify your own blasts at me with the overt acceptance that
> what I was replying to was rubbish). Despite arriving at pretty much
> the same answer, however, it seems to me that you don't like it if I
> say exactly the same thing you do, but to a different audience.
>
> Moby
I think you're misrepresenting my position.
I've never condoned what Hansie did, much less ignored the 'master criminal' aspect.
I've repeatedly said that I also found what W&W did to be repugnant and that I don't agree with
those apologists who excuse them on the grounds that they did nothing illegal.
I regularly berate Colin for his ridiculous assertion that they (W&W) were heroes (along with
his constant lies and denials on that topic) and I don't see why I should always preface my
condemnation with some sort of 'but to be fair to Colin, he did only call them heroes for
confessing to having taken money from John', especially when he propogated a myth that they
fessed up voluntarily and that then gets repeated by yet another Colin, which when I then
question, I get told I don't have a clue.
clear yet?
Higgsy
Anthony Swann
# Anthony Swann wrote:
#
# > On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, Colin Kynoch wrote:
# >
# > # Larry de Silva wrote:
# > #
# > # > What set your best bowler up for humiliation by
# > # > a cut & upset umpire like DH looking to leave his mark with another
# > # > controversy to boost sakes of his next book?
# > #
# > # How is this different to what you accused Australia of by not playing SL
# > # in the WC?
# > #
# > # I thought you were all for 'standing up to bullies'
# >
# > Only when the bullies aren't Sri Lankan, apparently.
#
# Thanks for the clarification.
My pleasure. :-)
Ant.
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Ian Galbraith
:On Wed, 05 Jun 2002 10:40:13 GMT, kalu <ka...@hotmail.com> wrote:
:>Well, considering the amount of abuse that the SL team has to cope
:>with from AUS players, media and supporters, I'm surprised any of the
:>SL players would want to come to AUS.
:... What? The only people I remember acting like bully-boys in recent
:years in Australia were Runnertunga and Aravinda De Silva. The only
:person who could think the Australian media "abuses" Sri Lanka is an
:out and out fuckwit who considers "not instantly agreeing with the
:point of view of the Sri Lankan team and it's players" abuse. As
:someone pointed out elsewhere in this thread. The Aussie media paints
:a picture of Murali, the nice guy with the doubtful bowling action.
:Hardly what I would call abuse.
Exactly, Murali was in Oz recently and was treated extremely well.
[snip]
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irrational in order to prove that you care, or indeed why it
should be necessary to prove it at all." -Avon, Blakes 7
Ken Higgs
Ian Galbraith wrote:
> On Thu, 06 Jun 2002 04:29:00 +0800, Mike Price wrote:
>
> :On Wed, 05 Jun 2002 10:40:13 GMT, kalu <ka...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> :>Well, considering the amount of abuse that the SL team has to cope
> :>with from AUS players, media and supporters, I'm surprised any of the
> :>SL players would want to come to AUS.
>
> :... What? The only people I remember acting like bully-boys in recent
> :years in Australia were Runnertunga and Aravinda De Silva. The only
> :person who could think the Australian media "abuses" Sri Lanka is an
> :out and out fuckwit who considers "not instantly agreeing with the
> :point of view of the Sri Lankan team and it's players" abuse. As
> :someone pointed out elsewhere in this thread. The Aussie media paints
> :a picture of Murali, the nice guy with the doubtful bowling action.
> :Hardly what I would call abuse.
>
> Exactly, Murali was in Oz recently and was treated extremely well.
>
I beg to differ.
He was here for medical reasons, so I assume he was treated well.
He also appeared on a tv show (The Panel), which I saw. I thought they were
a bit patronising. That has been disputed.
They most certainly did ask him about his action and if he chucked.
But the major gaffe has been Clang's comments, which occured after Murali
left (Clang actually spoke about trying to contact 'a little Sri Lankan man
somewhere in London', remember?).
Higgsy
India Fan
"Anthony Swann" <a.s...@antispam.qut.edu.au> wrote in message
news:Pine.OSF.4.10.102060...@pigeon.qut.edu.au...
> On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, Larry de Silva wrote:
>
> # "rourkster" <rour...@bigpond.com.au> wrote in message
> # news:3cfd77e5...@news.bigpond.com...
> #
> # > Only on the day they tested him. It's been tested and proved numerous
> # > times since then on footage during games that he does chuck on certain
> # > deliveries. It's like saying that someone who's a thief gets followed
> # > by the Police for a day. If he doesn't steal anything that day does
> # > that mean that he is forever more not a thief? An extreme comparison
> # > granted, but hopefully you'll get my point. Although I doubt it.
> #
> # So you are now questioning Murali's integrity & honesty??
> # Fair dinkum crap dude.
>
> *LL* You missed the point entirely, didn't you?
>
> Ant (why on earth are we wasting our breath?).
It has never been proven that Murali ever chucked. So the whole anology
above is utterly meaningless. Its more like an honest guy getting followed
by the cops every hour of his life on the suspicion that he might steal one
day.
Larry de Silva
One is fact & the other is not. Go figure which one is which dumbo.
Larrikin
Larry de Silva
"Dave Hall" <dh...@pcug.org.au> wrote in message
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>
> "Ken Higgs" <kenh...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:3CFDC9B5...@hotmail.com...
> >
> >
> > Larry de Silva wrote:
> >
> > > Well, here is a challenge. Can YOU answer my question? WHY are people
> here
> > > questioning Murali's integrity & honesty??
> > >
> > > Larrikin
> >
> > I can't answer your question, but I can say that some people here think
he
> > chucks. This they equate to cheating, therefore he's dishonest.
> > I don't think he chucks and from all interviews I've seen of him and
> things
> > people say about him (he's a nice bloke etc), he comes across as honest.
>
> Brett Lee comes across as a nice bloke too.
You have got to be joking!! Brett Lee a nice bloke my arse! He is a sledging
bastard.
> He also was accused of chucking,
> did he play the racist card?
So tell me when & where Murali has ever played the race card? Evidence?
Larrikin
Larry de Silva
http://www-ieem.ust.hk/dfaculty/ravi/murali.html
Larrikin
>
>
> > Larrikin
> >
> >
> > > Rourkster
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
Larry de Silva
"p masud" <pma...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Sorry, I meant to write most as I usually do. My mistake dude.
> I think he should rest for the upcoming WC, and not bother with
> down-under pricks, afterall, he knows what's in the bag, not only that
> his plate is full of DHs. So, rest Murali and deprive them of seeing
> a living legend of cricket.
Good point
> Afterall, It's only a matter of time before Murli answer's back, and
> it will be with the bowl in WC final, I just hope it will be against
> Australia.
That would be bloody beautiful to watch!
> you are not alone Larry,
I know that! Just that people like us are in the far minority in this
particular dominated by the Aussies. In other newsgroups I subscribe to, my
opinions are usually shared by the vast majority. There are some very naive
posters here dude
>however, I'm not a fool or a chutyia, LOL,
I can see that !! :-)
Great post dude!
Larrikin
Larry de Silva
"India Fan" <dont...@bogus.com> wrote in message
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Brilliant analogy dude. Excellently put.
Larrikin
Larry de Silva
"Mike Price" <mi...@nospamiinet.net.au> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 05 Jun 2002 10:40:13 GMT, kalu <ka...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Well, considering the amount of abuse that the SL team has to cope
> >with from AUS players, media and supporters, I'm surprised any of the
> >SL players would want to come to AUS.
>
> ... What? The only people I remember acting like bully-boys in recent
> years in Australia were Runnertunga and Aravinda De Silva. The only
> person who could think the Australian media "abuses" Sri Lanka is an
> out and out fuckwit who considers "not instantly agreeing with the
> point of view of the Sri Lankan team and it's players" abuse. As
> someone pointed out elsewhere in this thread. The Aussie media paints
> a picture of Murali, the nice guy with the doubtful bowling action.
> Hardly what I would call abuse.
>
> You see, Australians -ARE- great lovers of the underdog and for this
> reason Sri Lanka was quite well loved for many years. Unfortunately,
> we also like things to be -right- and fair and a lot of us frankly
> believe Murali has an illegal action. The thought of him taking over
> the leading wicket taking record of all time quite frankly makes me
> want to vomit.
The saddest thing about posts such as yours is that you don't realise that
although in the majority view in this particularly Aussie dominated
newsgroup, your view is NOT the majority view held world wide. It's real
frog in a well stuff, living in a land of fantasy. Most of the real cricket
followers worldwide believe that Murali doesn't chuck, and if that makes you
vomit, so be it dude.
Larrikin
Larry de Silva
"Ian Galbraith" <igalb...@ozonline.com.au> wrote in message
news:3d059f4c...@news.latrobe.edu.au...
> On Thu, 06 Jun 2002 04:29:00 +0800, Mike Price wrote:
>
> :On Wed, 05 Jun 2002 10:40:13 GMT, kalu <ka...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> :>Well, considering the amount of abuse that the SL team has to cope
> :>with from AUS players, media and supporters, I'm surprised any of the
> :>SL players would want to come to AUS.
>
> :... What? The only people I remember acting like bully-boys in recent
> :years in Australia were Runnertunga and Aravinda De Silva. The only
> :person who could think the Australian media "abuses" Sri Lanka is an
> :out and out fuckwit who considers "not instantly agreeing with the
> :point of view of the Sri Lankan team and it's players" abuse. As
> :someone pointed out elsewhere in this thread. The Aussie media paints
> :a picture of Murali, the nice guy with the doubtful bowling action.
> :Hardly what I would call abuse.
>
> Exactly, Murali was in Oz recently and was treated extremely well.
Of course he was....................It was OFF the cricket field dude. While
playing, he would be sledged, and the dickheads in the crowd would be
calling "no ball" each time he bowled a ball. Disgusting behaviour from a so
called sporting country.
Larrikin
Anthony Swann
# "Anthony Swann" <a.s...@antispam.qut.edu.au> wrote in message
# news:Pine.OSF.4.10.102060...@pigeon.qut.edu.au...
# > On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, Larry de Silva wrote:
# >
# > # "rourkster" <rour...@bigpond.com.au> wrote in message
# > # news:3cfd77e5...@news.bigpond.com...
# > #
# > # > Only on the day they tested him. It's been tested and proved numerous
# > # > times since then on footage during games that he does chuck on certain
# > # > deliveries. It's like saying that someone who's a thief gets followed
# > # > by the Police for a day. If he doesn't steal anything that day does
# > # > that mean that he is forever more not a thief? An extreme comparison
# > # > granted, but hopefully you'll get my point. Although I doubt it.
# > #
# > # So you are now questioning Murali's integrity & honesty??
# > # Fair dinkum crap dude.
# >
# > *LL* You missed the point entirely, didn't you?
# >
# > Ant (why on earth are we wasting our breath?).
#
# It has never been proven that Murali ever chucked. So the whole
# anology above is utterly meaningless. Its more like an honest guy
# getting followed by the cops every hour of his life on the suspicion
# that he might steal one day.
However, at the time of his being called, the law stated that umpires
SHOULD call a person even if the umpire only suspected a person of
throwing.
*shrug*
Ken Higgs
Larry de Silva wrote:
> "Ian Galbraith" <igalb...@ozonline.com.au> wrote in message
> news:3d059f4c...@news.latrobe.edu.au...
> > On Thu, 06 Jun 2002 04:29:00 +0800, Mike Price wrote:
> >
> > :On Wed, 05 Jun 2002 10:40:13 GMT, kalu <ka...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > :>Well, considering the amount of abuse that the SL team has to cope
> > :>with from AUS players, media and supporters, I'm surprised any of the
> > :>SL players would want to come to AUS.
> >
> > :... What? The only people I remember acting like bully-boys in recent
> > :years in Australia were Runnertunga and Aravinda De Silva. The only
> > :person who could think the Australian media "abuses" Sri Lanka is an
> > :out and out fuckwit who considers "not instantly agreeing with the
> > :point of view of the Sri Lankan team and it's players" abuse. As
> > :someone pointed out elsewhere in this thread. The Aussie media paints
> > :a picture of Murali, the nice guy with the doubtful bowling action.
> > :Hardly what I would call abuse.
> >
> > Exactly, Murali was in Oz recently and was treated extremely well.
>
> Of course he was....................It was OFF the cricket field dude. While
> playing, he would be sledged, and the dickheads in the crowd would be
> calling "no ball" each time he bowled a ball. Disgusting behaviour from a so
> called sporting country.
>
> Larrikin
No, Larry,
that shouting is all a form of affection, ALL Aussies love an underdog.
All cricketers to this country get treated extremely well, first Test, Glen
McGrath always tells the press how he will be paying special attention to the
needs of their top batsman and when the Tests get under way, McGrath always goes
out of his way to provide a warm welcome to any debutants. Warney may not be
quite as effusive a host, but he's normally not too far behind MCGrath in
offering a few words of comfort and encouragement to any visitors.
I hear also that BLeet has been appointed as some sort of ambassador to touring
teams tail end batsmen and that the West Indians are keen to come back here to
sample the trouble free nightclubs
Higgsy
Anonymous User
"Larry de Silva" <larryd...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>
>
snip
> > Just like the people who think Holding has a hidden agenda.
>
>
> One is fact & the other is not. Go figure which one is which
dumbo.
Seeing as the only person who makes this claim about Holding is a
proven liar and document falsifier it's a very easy choice.
Dim Watch
Legend
"Larry de Silva" <larryd...@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
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>
> "Mike Price" <mi...@nospamiinet.net.au> wrote in message
> news:gossfu0017vbpjiec...@4ax.com...
> > On Wed, 05 Jun 2002 10:40:13 GMT, kalu <ka...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> The saddest thing about posts such as yours is that you don't realise that
> although in the majority view in this particularly Aussie dominated
> newsgroup, your view is NOT the majority view held world wide. It's real
> frog in a well stuff, living in a land of fantasy. Most of the real
cricket
> followers worldwide believe that Murali doesn't chuck, and if that makes
you
> vomit, so be it dude.
>
> Larrikin
>
>
Dude i think that all your dude comments about the dude Murali aren't worth
dude all, cause dude you aren't a real cricket follower dude. You are one
eyed dude and dude that makes you dude completely biast dude towards sri
lanka dude so dude give it up dude and watch some real cricketers dude that
are number 1 dude in the world dude in both forms of the game dude. Also
dude if we aren't dude real cricket followers dude show us dude where dude
we can dude put our complete minority dude point across dude.
Legend
Telling dude how it is
>
alvey
"alvey" <alvey_s...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
And a Late Thought: If Murali does tour Aust he may well get the "no
ballllll" call from the crowds. But if he doesn't appear, then he'll have no
balls at all. So it's to his testicular advantage to tour.
Alvey
In Brisbane, wondering if the BCCSL will be charging Murali with bringing
the game into disrepute? If not, will this then mean that it's ok for
players to say they don't want to tour wherever because the crowd aren't
especially nice to them? ["You fat bastard, you fat bastard, ..."]
Larry de Silva
So this would be like the cops having to arrest anyone who was only
suspected of doing something wrong? Gee I hope they had enough bloody space
in the jails...........................!!
Larrikin
Larry de Silva
Larry de Silva
>
> "alvey" <alvey_s...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:3cfe0...@news.iprimus.com.au...
> >
>
> And a Late Thought: If Murali does tour Aust he may well get the "no
> ballllll" call from the crowds. But if he doesn't appear, then he'll have
no
> balls at all. So it's to his testicular advantage to tour.
You are well & truly stuffed in the head Algae! What a load of balls!
Larrikin
kalu
> kalu wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 05 Jun 2002 12:23:43 +1000, Colin Kynoch wrote:
>>
>>
<snip>
>>>>>Sounds like the BCCSL actually knows the truth and are scared it
>>>>>will come out.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>Evidence?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>As much as you have that the Poms are trying to nobble Sri Lanka.
>>>
>>>
>> Go on Col, tell me what evidence you have !!! Or are you just
>> talking rubbish as normal? (*kalu* adjusts back to the norms of
>> rsc.)
>
>
> When Larry provides the evidence that England are trying to nobble
> SL.
>
> Both are just opinions.
So you don't have any evidence, and you've presented an uneducated,
unfounded and ignorant opinion. ok. fair enough. If that's the quality
of your opinions.
>>>>What set your best bowler up for humiliation by a cut & upset
>>>>umpire like DH looking to leave his mark with another controversy
>>>>to boost sakes of his next book?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>How is this different to what you accused Australia of by not
>>>playing SL in the WC?
>>>
>>>
>> Relevance? Please do tell me how it is _similar_ !
>
>
> LArry got stuck into Australia for not playing saying they were
> cowards and giving in to terrorism.
>
> In this case Murali would be the coward and giving into 'bullying',
> 'victimisation' whatever mantra you choose.
>
> I'll admit Murali would be much more of a coward as his life hasn't
> been threatened in Australia to my knowledge.
>
> BTW for the record I don't consider the Aussies were cowards, I
> think they made the right decision. If Murali is scared of coming
> to Australia then it is more like he knows that his action isn't
> always legal and knows Aussie umpires aren't as scared as some.
You really should learn about the subject matter before attempting to
pretend like you are an expert.
A) The AUS cricket team's lives were not threatened whatsoever.
Why? Here's a bit of background:
[The Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (a.k.a LTTE, Tamil Tigers
Terrorist) who you refer to as terrorists do NOT kill white people,
especially high profile ones. They only kill Tamils, Muslims and
Sinhala people, and generally only ones of Sri Lankan origin (The main
exception being Rajiv Gandhi - son or grandson of Mahatma Gandhi (not
too sure about which). Furthermore, why would they kill a person from
AUS, considering much of the money that funds their 'terrorist'
activities come from countries like AUS? They'd have to be mad to kill
an AUS. Side Note, The wife of one of their leaders is AUS too.]
There's absolutely no way the LTTE would have killed an AUS cricket
team member.Hence, the lives of the AUS cricket team were absolutely
not in danger. Please stop regurgitating what you hear on Channel 10
news. Try flicking to SBS or ABC, every now and then!
B) Though, as you say - probably quite correctly - Murali's life may
not be threatened physically. He would be significantly more
intimidated/threatened by the unruly/abusive AUS supporters -
especially after having 6 hours to have finished their 'warm up'
drinks and getting in to thier main course/goal of getting 'smashed'.
It is extremely intimidating/threatening to just be in the crowd,
imagine being SL's best bowler - who also happens to have the title of
the best bowler in the world. I can fully empathise with Murali's
difficult situation, especially when it is only the AUS supporters
that treat him so badly. (well, to be fair, the AUS supporters treat
many teams badly, but I digress)
<rant why=summary of last couple of weeks>
I feel a bit sorry for Gilchrist, but what typified AUS media's
attitude of the rest of the world was, in every single news item
regarding Gilchrist - he was referred to as the 'world's best batsman'
or 'recently titled world's best batsman' and Murali as 'controversial
Sri Lankan spinner'. Come on, 'fair go', if you are going to call
Gilchrist - the 'world's best batsman' (which is fair enough) at least
have the integrity to refer to Murali as - the 'world's best bowler'
and to inform the AUS public of the world rankings of the bowlers too.
God knows, they need it.
</rant>
Kalu
> Colin Kynoch
Wombat
<snip>
> Can you supply a reference source for these multiple tests conducted
during
> games that shows him chucking. I'd like to look at them.
>
Here's your proof:
http://www.wombatsworld.cjb.net/proof.html
Hope this helps,
Wombat
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