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alvey

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Feb 17, 2004, 5:04:04 AM2/17/04
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Tried to pick my 15, which seems alot for a 3 Test series, (must be
the Gillespie factor), and it's bloody hard.

It's easy to list those who shouldn't tour. These being;

MacGill & Lee.

/* Early warning */

If Brett Lee is in the next Test XI it will be a major triumph for the
NSV. aka an absolute disgrace. Everybody recalls Bung setting a record
by being the first fast bowler in Aust Test history to go for 200 in
an innings, but his results prior to that are, if possible, worse than
the SCG massacre. In Bung's last 10 Test innings (6 Tests) he's
managed to take a lousy 17 wickets at the absolutely staggering
average of 50.9. But if you dig just a little deeper it gets even
worse. All 10 of those innings were on pace-friendly Oz pitches. And
another little dig reveals that the opposition was nearly as weak as
it could get. In order; he had 3 inn v the Bangles (3 @ 55.7), 3 inn v
Zimb (6 @ 37) & 4 against India. (8 @ 59.5)

So, 4/276 (69.0) in his last Test and 17/865 (50.9) in his last 10
innings. He's the Mark Taylor of bowlers.
I repeat. Barring a mass outbreak of SRW head-butting the knees of all
the other bowlers in Australia, there is absolutely no justification
for selecting Lee for the next Test. In fact, he shouldn't even be in
the fucking squad.

/* All clear */

Anyway, there's just too many options for the XV.

Following is Wot I'd Pick. (The NSV...sorry...P, will of course pick
EY, Krap & Bung. And probably Horrible II)

Batting certs: Hayden, Langer, Ponting, Clang
Bowling certs: Gilllespie, Williams, Warne

Batting options: Marto, Krapich, EY, Love, Hodge, Hussey D, Love,
Watson, Lehman. And of course the legend currently averaging 72 in the
PC, SG Law. And probably some others I've forgotten.

Fast bowling options: Kaspa, Bichel, Rofe, Tait, Inness, Noffke

Spin options: Screwy, White.

Keeping options: Chuck Seccombe (Just joshing. It'll be H2)

So, my XII could be;

1 Haydos
2 Lang
3 Punter
4 Lovey
5 Boof (not convinced, but probably still the best player of spin in
the Oz)
6 Marto (not convinced, but doesn't deserve to be dropped. Yet)
7 Clang
8 White
9 Warne
10 Gillespie
11 Williams
12 Kaspa

Kaspa in for White if the groundsman oversleeps and forgets to shave
the deck.

For t'other 3; I'd take Watson (if he can trundle a few meds), Krapich
& AN Other fast bowler from above. Probably not a good idea to take
either of the young quicks, Rofe or Tait, to SL as it may not do their
confidence all that much good. Don't really care. As long as it's not
fucking Lee or Fucken.


alvey
in brisbane, betting that the line "Katich's & Clarke's part-time spin
could prove useful on the spin-friendly pitches of SL..." will appear
this week in the NSV once or seven.


Ben Gussey

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Feb 17, 2004, 11:32:59 AM2/17/04
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"alvey" <alvey_digi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> So, my XII could be;
>
> 1 Haydos
> 2 Lang
> 3 Punter
> 4 Lovey
> 5 Boof (not convinced, but probably still the best player of spin in
> the Oz)
> 6 Marto (not convinced, but doesn't deserve to be dropped. Yet)
> 7 Clang
> 8 White
> 9 Warne
> 10 Gillespie
> 11 Williams
> 12 Kaspa
>
> alvey
> in brisbane, betting that the line "Katich's & Clarke's part-time spin
> could prove useful on the spin-friendly pitches of SL..." will appear
> this week in the NSV once or seven.

I don't really have any problems with this side - except I have my
reservations about White but I'm willing to bet this is the team:

1. Hayden
2. Langer
3. Ponting
4. Martyn
5. Lehmann
6. Katich
7. Gilchrist
8. Warne
9. BLee
10. Gillespie
11. Williams
--
12th man Kaspa

My main problem with White is, I'm really not sure how much better he is
than a part-timer like Lehmann. Neither spin the ball a great deal and I
think the Sri Lankan pitches suit the low bounce of Lehmann -- or maybe I
just overestimate Lehmann in the longer version of the game (or
underestimate White?).

Also, I think if the selectors are going to select a player based on one
season's good form and select a player like DHussey, that Law has every
reason to considered in the fold. He is simply invincible at the moment.

Regards,
Ben.


Adam Harvey

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Feb 17, 2004, 12:11:44 PM2/17/04
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For the sake of argument, here's the team I'd pick if I were a selector:

1. Hayden
2. Langer
3. Ponting
4. Martyn

5. Watson
6. Lehmann
7. Gilchrist
8. AN Other Spinner
9. Warne
10. Gillespie
11. Williams

AN Other Spinner's a tricky one. Macgill's liable to be pasted by the Sri
Lankan batsmen, Hogg's an honest trier who isn't really good enough at
Test level, and White's not good enough yet, but can bat a bit more than
the other options. On balance, I'll take White, simply by virtue of being
younger and batting better. He'd be sharing the fourth/fifth bowler spot
with Lehmann and Watson anyway.

The other members of the squad would be Krapich, Chicken-effer,
Kasprowicz, and whichever fast bowler we want to do nothing but run drinks
out to people for a few weeks. Someone ineffectual, good with the media...
say BLee. I hear he's not doing anything else.

All hypothetical, of course. I have no doubt the selectors will actually
consider BLee a real Test bowler, pick Haddin... the usual stuff.

Adam

C Kelly [BCTA]

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Feb 17, 2004, 5:11:42 PM2/17/04
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"alvey" <alvey_digi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Tried to pick my 15, which seems alot for a 3 Test series, (must be
> the Gillespie factor), and it's bloody hard.

> Bowling certs: Gilllespie, Williams, Warne
>


> Fast bowling options: Kaspa, Bichel, Rofe, Tait, Inness, Noffke

Don't write Farken off yet. According to today's press, he's "playing for
his Test future" in the current Moo Cup game. Anyone else's future would
have been well and truly decided after his last two Tests.

cheers,
Calvin


gmuldoon

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Feb 17, 2004, 5:21:37 PM2/17/04
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alvey_digi...@yahoo.com says...

> Batting options: Marto, Krapich, EY, Love, Hodge, Hussey D, Love,

Lessee, you want Love at 3 AND 6? :-)

GM

Barry Tomkins

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Feb 17, 2004, 6:29:10 PM2/17/04
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On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 20:04:04 +1000, alvey
<alvey_digi...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Tried to pick my 15, which seems alot for a 3 Test series, (must be
>the Gillespie factor), and it's bloody hard.
>
>It's easy to list those who shouldn't tour. These being;
>
>MacGill & Lee.
>

<snip>


>
>So, my XII could be;
>
>1 Haydos
>2 Lang
>3 Punter
>4 Lovey
>5 Boof (not convinced, but probably still the best player of spin in
>the Oz)
>6 Marto (not convinced, but doesn't deserve to be dropped. Yet)
>7 Clang
>8 White
>9 Warne
>10 Gillespie
>11 Williams
>12 Kaspa
>
>Kaspa in for White if the groundsman oversleeps and forgets to shave
>the deck.
>

I like the look of that team except for Marto at 6. If we're to pick
on form I'd have Boof there and Law at 5.

Kaspa and White would be interchangeable. I'd be inclined to put
Kaspa in from the start on the basis of Gillespie may not last the
distance.

Wholeheartedly agree on the comments re GB and Farken. GB is not a
Test bowler, and for that matter I still think his action is suss.

Barry
In NSW but wishing he was elsewhere when teams are selected.

alvey

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Feb 18, 2004, 2:24:11 AM2/18/04
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Barry Tomkins wrote:

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> Barry
> In NSW but wishing he was elsewhere when teams are selected.
>

Why? Don't you want to play for Australia?


alvey

Barry Tomkins

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Feb 18, 2004, 2:38:18 AM2/18/04
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On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 17:24:11 +1000, alvey
<alvey_digi...@yahoo.com> wrote:

<snip>


>
>Why? Don't you want to play for Australia?
>
>

It's been 14 years since I played any cricket. What do you think of
my chances?

BTW, was a medium pace RH bowler, reasonable outswinger. :D

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Somefella

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Feb 18, 2004, 2:41:21 AM2/18/04
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"Ben Gussey" <ben.delspa...@optushome.com.au> wrote in message
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Yep... that's the side i reckon.


alvey

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Feb 18, 2004, 2:59:53 AM2/18/04
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Barry Tomkins wrote:

> On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 17:24:11 +1000, alvey
> <alvey_digi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>>Why? Don't you want to play for Australia?
>>
>>
>
> It's been 14 years since I played any cricket. What do you think of
> my chances?
>

Better than most.

alvey
in brisbane, not mentioning a certain slow bowler who popped up on Fox
recently and was introduced as a cricket expert and "Former Test
player....".

Gilly

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"alvey" <alvey_digi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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LOL....spot on!

Gilly


Gilly

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Feb 18, 2004, 5:40:09 AM2/18/04
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"Somefella" <footy...@nospam.com.au> wrote in message
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I agree that it is most likely the side that will play, but prob not the
best side for the opposition.

Also, with Murali likely to be throwing them down so early in the innings,
and Punter's weakness early, especially against spin, I would move Marto to
6 and have Lehmann bat at 4. I'd hate to be Lehmann at 5 with both Punter
and Marto going in against a good spinning throw. They are both sus early
against a turning ball.

Gilly


Mad Hamish

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Feb 18, 2004, 9:26:49 AM2/18/04
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On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 03:32:59 +1100, "Ben Gussey"
<ben.delspa...@optushome.com.au> wrote:

You might want to see what Lehmann's done in first class cricket this
season.
--
"Hope is replaced by fear and dreams by survival, most of us get by."
Stuart Adamson 1958-2001

Mad Hamish
Hamish Laws
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Mad Hamish

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Feb 18, 2004, 9:26:52 AM2/18/04
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On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 10:40:09 GMT, "Gilly" <gil...@bigpond.net.au>
wrote:

>
>I agree that it is most likely the side that will play, but prob not the
>best side for the opposition.
>
>Also, with Murali likely to be throwing them down so early in the innings,
>and Punter's weakness early, especially against spin, I would move Marto to
>6 and have Lehmann bat at 4. I'd hate to be Lehmann at 5 with both Punter
>and Marto going in against a good spinning throw. They are both sus early
>against a turning ball.
>

You might want to check what Ponting did the last time he was in Sri
Lanka.

Gilly

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Feb 18, 2004, 7:28:21 PM2/18/04
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"Mad Hamish" <h_l...@aardvark.net.au> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 10:40:09 GMT, "Gilly" <gil...@bigpond.net.au>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >I agree that it is most likely the side that will play, but prob not the
> >best side for the opposition.
> >
> >Also, with Murali likely to be throwing them down so early in the
innings,
> >and Punter's weakness early, especially against spin, I would move Marto
to
> >6 and have Lehmann bat at 4. I'd hate to be Lehmann at 5 with both
Punter
> >and Marto going in against a good spinning throw. They are both sus
early
> >against a turning ball.
> >
> You might want to check what Ponting did the last time he was in Sri
> Lanka.

I know, but I also remember India in India.

Gilly

rob moody

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"Gilly" <gil...@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
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>
> "Mad Hamish" <h_l...@aardvark.net.au> wrote in message
> news:uqn63095p36t1js8j...@4ax.com...
> > On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 10:40:09 GMT, "Gilly" <gil...@bigpond.net.au>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >I agree that it is most likely the side that will play, but prob not
the
> > >best side for the opposition.
> > >
> > >Also, with Murali likely to be throwing them down so early in the
> innings,
> > >and Punter's weakness early, especially against spin, I would move
Marto
> to
> > >6 and have Lehmann bat at 4. I'd hate to be Lehmann at 5 with both
> Punter
> > >and Marto going in against a good spinning throw. They are both sus
> early
> > >against a turning ball.
> > >
> > You might want to check what Ponting did the last time he was in Sri
> > Lanka.
>
> I know, but I also remember India in India.
>
> Gilly

india doesnt have murali. ponting caned murali in 1999.


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