Fixtures 2010
giovani
of humour!!
Lions vs Blues at the Gabba on April 1st
I like it!! ;-P
avagoodone
giovani
Woofdog
"giovani" <gio...@nothere.not_there> wrote in message
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But hey, Gio, MM will complain. Pies move from the 'G' for 8 games, and move
from Melbourne for 4! Just not right is it? That said, who the heck do I go
for in a Brissie v Carlton game. They've conspired to make it impossible. It
used to be so easy!
Eddie
David Clayton
> Well it does seem as though Mr Demetrious (sp?) actually has a sense of
> humour!!
.........
At least the AFL now openly admit that they do the draw to maximise
income at the direct cost of any fairness.
The whole competition is so perverted now with some clubs perennially
crippled by each year's draw in terms of equal opportunities to win
matches, get decent TV coverage (with all the associated sponsorship
benefits) and draw crowds that only cash handouts from the AFL keep the
whole thing going.
When there are 18 teams, it would be a lot fairer to have a 17 game H&A
season with an extended pre-season comp and a week or two more of finals -
at least then there would be NO FIXES with each side playing the other
only once in each H&A season.
Hell, we might as well bring in Tasmania and the N.T. and have a 19 Round
H&A season and be done with this twisted draw once and for all.
--
Regards, David.
David Clayton
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia.
Knowledge is a measure of how many answers you have, intelligence is a
measure of how many questions you have.
gF
"Woofdog" <woo...@kennel.com.au> wrote in message news:5cydnXPTGNoXXnfX...@westnet.com.au...
Fact it is the SUPPORTERS of Carlton Essendon & Collingwood
who have put them in the position of power
By turning up to matches they provide the financial grunt
of the league and the other clubs beg to play them twice
as simple as that.
Other teams might do OK on home games but simply
it is the AWAY games attendances that the big three boost
because their SUPPORTERS turn up as well
gF
David Clayton
.......
> Fact it is the SUPPORTERS of Carlton Essendon & Collingwood who have put
> them in the position of power By turning up to matches they provide the
> financial grunt of the league and the other clubs beg to play them twice
> as simple as that.
>
> Other teams might do OK on home games but simply it is the AWAY games
> attendances that the big three boost because their SUPPORTERS turn up as
> well
>
http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/attendances?year=2009&t=A&h=W&s=T
The big thing in that list is Richmond, who's over-loyal supporters still
attend in bigger numbers (in a disastrous season) than St.Kilda
supporters.
So much for the "fickle" tag some idiots try to put on Richmond supporters.
Woofdog
"gF" <no.n...@aaah.com> wrote in message
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opportunity. This does not happen. Do the intersate clubs play them twice?
Eagles play them once though not at the 'G'. But wow, we do get two games
there. Poor old Freo, none. Nahh, it's the AFL who have put them in that
position just to draw cash.
Eddie
> gF
>
David J Richardson
David Clayton <dcs...@NOSPAM.myrealbox.com> wrote:
> Geelong have more attending their 2009 away games than Essendon:
>
> http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/attendances?year=2009&t=A&h=W&s=T
I can't be bothered finding the discrepancy, but it doesn't agree with
the counts from http://stats.rleague.com/afl/teams/geelong/allgames.html
(which shows Essendon with a slight lead). The "draw", of course, plays
a large part in determining such things -- e.g. Essendon has played
Sydney in Sydney every frickin' year since 1999 (and will do so again in
2010).
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gF
Woofdog
"gF" <no.n...@aaah.com> wrote in message news:jM-dnT8hUebF_3DX...@westnet.com.au...
No, No GF, they have NOT got it right. I'm not bothered about Pies playing SOME games at the 'G'. I AM bothered with the fact that they hardly travel anywhere else which gives them an unfair advantage. That is the guts of the matter. Year in year out they have comfy ridese in the big smoke, whilst other teams have to travel all over the bloody place. And yet, like Freo, DON'T have a game at the 'G', home of the GF. ALL Eagles games at Subi are sell outs. Does that mean we should get more games there?EddiegF
David Clayton
> In article <pan.2009.10.31....@NOSPAM.myrealbox.com>,
> David Clayton <dcs...@NOSPAM.myrealbox.com> wrote:
>
>> Geelong have more attending their 2009 away games than Essendon:
>>
>> http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/attendances?year=2009&t=A&h=W&s=T
>
> I can't be bothered finding the discrepancy, but it doesn't agree with the
> counts from http://stats.rleague.com/afl/teams/geelong/allgames.html
> (which shows Essendon with a slight lead). The "draw", of course, plays a
> large part in determining such things -- e.g. Essendon has played Sydney
> in Sydney every frickin' year since 1999 (and will do so again in 2010).
The draw is a major item, Richmond play at Subi quite regularly and draw
about the biggest crowds there for non-WA opposition, so that helps their
"Away" figures - the corresponding "Home" games in Melbourne usually have
far less attending.
There are always "Swings and Roundabouts", but the figures gives a decent
indication of what teams' supporters will pay up to attend a non-home game.
Woofdog
"David Clayton" <dcs...@NOSPAM.myrealbox.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 01 Nov 2009 19:17:12 +1100, David J Richardson wrote:
>
>> In article <pan.2009.10.31....@NOSPAM.myrealbox.com>,
>> David Clayton <dcs...@NOSPAM.myrealbox.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Geelong have more attending their 2009 away games than Essendon:
>>>
>>> http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/attendances?year=2009&t=A&h=W&s=T
>>
>> I can't be bothered finding the discrepancy, but it doesn't agree with
>> the
>> counts from http://stats.rleague.com/afl/teams/geelong/allgames.html
>> (which shows Essendon with a slight lead). The "draw", of course, plays a
>> large part in determining such things -- e.g. Essendon has played Sydney
>> in Sydney every frickin' year since 1999 (and will do so again in 2010).
>
> The draw is a major item, Richmond play at Subi quite regularly and draw
> about the biggest crowds there for non-WA opposition,
Ahhh, have you got figures for that David? Pies, Crows and Bombers regularly
get good crowds. This year the Richmond game had the 'Cousings' impact.
Eddie
David J Richardson
"Woofdog" <woo...@kennel.com.au> wrote:
> No, No GF, they have NOT got it right. I'm not bothered about Pies
> playing SOME games at the 'G'. I AM bothered with the fact that
> they hardly travel anywhere else which gives them an unfair
> advantage. That is the guts of the matter. Year in year out they
> have comfy ridese in the big smoke, whilst other teams have to
> travel all over the bloody place. And yet, like Freo, DON'T have a
> game at the 'G', home of the GF. ALL Eagles games at Subi are sell
> outs. Does that mean we should get more games there?
In the AFL's defense, Freo has no use for practice for the GF...
David Clayton
>
> "David Clayton" <dcs...@NOSPAM.myrealbox.com> wrote in message
........
>> The draw is a major item, Richmond play at Subi quite regularly and draw
>> about the biggest crowds there for non-WA opposition,
>
> Ahhh, have you got figures for that David? Pies, Crows and Bombers
> regularly get good crowds. This year the Richmond game had the 'Cousins'
> impact.
>
Well, the last 10 matches Richmond have played there speak for themselves:
http://stats.rleague.com/afl/teams/richmond/allgames_vn.html#21
R22 A West Coast 1.3 5.5 5.6 6.9 45 4.8 9.14 15.18 17.23 125 L Subiaco 39,017 28-Aug-2009
R10 A Fremantle 4.3 5.9 13.9 17.13 115 6.2 8.5 11.6 17.10 112 W Subiaco 35,391 30-May-2009
R15 A West Coast 1.3 12.4 18.6 24.8 152 3.2 4.4 7.9 11.9 75 W Subiaco 37,085 13-Jul-2008
R4 A Fremantle 5.7 10.11 14.13 20.17 137 3.3 6.7 8.9 10.13 73 W Subiaco 37,541 13-Apr-2008
R20 A West Coast 3.3 6.6 10.11 12.14 86 4.5 9.8 13.8 18.9 117 L Subiaco 39,752 18-Aug-2007
R11 A Fremantle 4.5 6.9 10.9 15.12 102 1.3 4.8 10.10 18.15 123 L Subiaco 37,177 10-Jun-2007
R10 A Fremantle 2.4 7.6 11.11 13.11 89 3.4 7.6 10.8 15.10 100 L Subiaco 36,032 03-Jun-2006
R3 A West Coast 4.2 6.3 9.5 14.6 90 3.3 7.10 15.13 20.16 136 L Subiaco 39,436 15-Apr-2006
R19 A Fremantle 2.3 4.7 7.9 9.12 66 1.4 5.6 10.9 13.15 93 L Subiaco 36,026 06-Aug-2005
R10 A West Coast 3.3 5.6 7.6 9.9 63 4.2 5.6 12.10 14.16 100 L Subiaco 38,517 29-May-2004
Keep in mind that in that whole period Richmond have hardly been "marquee"
opposition.
Woofdog
Thanks, David, but what of other home game stats? If Eagles members were
asked which is the most pop opponent, I doubt too many, off the top of their
heads, would say tigers. That said, ALL Eagles home games are sellouts, the
only tickets available are the few that must be quarantined for AFL/Gen Pup.
Eddie
Woofdog
"David J Richardson" <work...@davidj.richardson.name> wrote in message
news:workitout-F8939...@news.eternal-september.org...
> In article <XYqdnQU-HY_hrHPX...@westnet.com.au>,
> "Woofdog" <woo...@kennel.com.au> wrote:
>
>> No, No GF, they have NOT got it right. I'm not bothered about Pies
>> playing SOME games at the 'G'. I AM bothered with the fact that
>> they hardly travel anywhere else which gives them an unfair
>> advantage. That is the guts of the matter. Year in year out they
>> have comfy ridese in the big smoke, whilst other teams have to
>> travel all over the bloody place. And yet, like Freo, DON'T have a
>> game at the 'G', home of the GF. ALL Eagles games at Subi are sell
>> outs. Does that mean we should get more games there?
>
> In the AFL's defense, Freo has no use for practice for the GF...
>
Nasty, David, Nasty...but true!
;0)
Eddie
David Clayton
......
> Thanks, David, but what of other home game stats? If Eagles members were
> asked which is the most pop opponent, I doubt too many, off the top of
> their heads, would say tigers. That said, ALL Eagles home games are
> sellouts, the only tickets available are the few that must be quarantined
> for AFL/Gen Pup.
>
depending on the circumstances, and Richmond people in W.A. always miss
out on getting into those matches because there are never enough tickets
for them (especially when their own brain-dead club gives them back to the
Eagles).
If all things were equal, the Richmond games in W.A. should be at the low
range of the attendances, but they aren't being above the average in
almost every recent year. More proof that Richmond's main asset in the AFL
competition are the fans they draw to matches - nothing to do with the
club itself, but actually despite all the incompetence at the club.
If the AFL could find a way to keep Richmond's fan base, they'd probably
nuke the existing club tomorrow and start a whole new one without the
crippling legacy of failure that still hobbles the incumbent.
Woofdog
"David Clayton" <dcs...@NOSPAM.myrealbox.com> wrote in message
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> ......
>> Thanks, David, but what of other home game stats? If Eagles members were
>> asked which is the most pop opponent, I doubt too many, off the top of
>> their heads, would say tigers. That said, ALL Eagles home games are
>> sellouts, the only tickets available are the few that must be quarantined
>> for AFL/Gen Pup.
>>
> People already with season tickets still decide to turn up or not
> depending on the circumstances, and Richmond people in W.A. always miss
> out on getting into those matches because there are never enough tickets
> for them (especially when their own brain-dead club gives them back to the
> Eagles).
>
> If all things were equal, the Richmond games in W.A. should be at the low
> range of the attendances, but they aren't being above the average in
> almost every recent year. More proof that Richmond's main asset in the AFL
> competition are the fans they draw to matches - nothing to do with the
> club itself, but actually despite all the incompetence at the club.
>
> If the AFL could find a way to keep Richmond's fan base, they'd probably
> nuke the existing club tomorrow and start a whole new one without the
> crippling legacy of failure that still hobbles the incumbent.
>
Thanks, David, interesting points
Eddie