Good draft this year - tell 'em they're dreamin......
David Clayton
right now, would you?
From:
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/gold-coast-accrues-hidden-riches/story-e6frf9if-1225794833541
Gold Coast accrues hidden riches
* Jon Ralph
* From: Herald Sun
* November 06, 2009 12:00AM
IT IS Gold Coast's hidden treasure trove.
While the football world is green with envy about the new club's hoard of
draft picks, Gold Coast has been quietly stockpiling untold riches.
Coast recruiter Scott Clayton has nine of the first 15 national draft
picks next year, 16 uncontracted players and a dozen 17-year-olds from
this year's draft pool.
And while the first two concessions have attracted most publicity, it is
the 17-year-olds who could set the club up for success.
They are the picks that have dramatically reduced the depth of the 2009
national draft.
Players about to turn 18 between January and April were once available in
the draft, and on average provide 3.5 of the first-round picks.
This year they are available only to Gold Coast, which has already listed
10 of its 12.
And here is the kicker: on conservative estimates, Clayton has picked six
players worthy of first-round selections.When you go through some of those
already contracted, it gets a little scary. The kids are something
special.
.........
Neil Green
"David Clayton" <dcs...@NOSPAM.myrealbox.com> wrote in
message
news:pan.2009.11.05....@NOSPAM.myrealbox.com...
Yes David, but right or wrong we are talking about a
club starting from scratch, so if they are to be
viable or at the very least competitive they need
access to talent, and plenty of it.
It seems to me that the argument should have been
whether GC17 should be part of the competition at all
rather than the draft concessions they receive, but
the decision has been made so for better or worse we
have to live with it.
Western Sydney looms large.
David Clayton
> "David Clayton" <dcs...@NOSPAM.myrealbox.com> wrote in message
> news:pan.2009.11.05....@NOSPAM.myrealbox.com...
>> You really wouldn't want to be a struggling AFL club looking to
>> "rebuild" right now, would you?
.....
> Yes David, but right or wrong we are talking about a club starting from
> scratch, so if they are to be viable or at the very least competitive
> they need access to talent, and plenty of it. It seems to me that the
> argument should have been whether GC17 should be part of the competition
> at all rather than the draft concessions they receive, but the decision
> has been made so for better or worse we have to live with it.
> Western Sydney looms large.
The whole point is that existing AFL clubs now have a far shallower draft
pool to access for the next 5 or 6 drafts, so the availability of the
"cream" in the top 10 picks will be far less than in the past.
The upshot will be that clubs that have recruited adequately over the last
3 or 4 years will still have some chance of *improving* their performances
as these players mature, and clubs already with good lists can weather the
shallower drafts until things are back to normal.
Those clubs who are trying to rely on the draft to significantly
strengthening their lists over the next few years are going to be
disappointed - because the top quality picks just won't be available to
them. These clubs are now condemned to be entrenched at the bottom of the
ladder (disregarding the new franchises) during this concession period,
and probably for 3 or 4 years afterwards.
Yes, they will still get draft picks before their better performed
opponents, but the players they will get will have less chance of being
good enough to significantly improve their lists. The "Status Quo" of
clubs that are competitive right now will be entrenched in a manner we
have not seen since the draft commenced.
Take out the top 5 draft picks of the last 5 or so years out of all the
sides and see what effect it has on the overall quality of those lists -
this is what the next 5 years will be.
--
Regards, David.
David Clayton
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia.
Knowledge is a measure of how many answers you have, intelligence is a
measure of how many questions you have.
gF
"David Clayton" <dcs...@NOSPAM.myrealbox.com> wrote in message news:pan.2009.11.07....@NOSPAM.myrealbox.com...
Tigers & Bumblers are rooted!
gF
David Clayton
> Tigers & Bumblers are rooted!
>
Without joking, looking at their current list Richmond have little or no
chance of making substantial gains on most clubs currently in the top 10
of the comp for a decade. Essendon seem better off, but I don't know the
depth of their current list as well as Richmond's.
I expect the rest of the football followers will wake up to this reality
in 2 or 3 years time, because I reckon that the AFL insiders are already
quite well aware of what is likely to play out in this period and will try
to keep it quiet for as long as possible.
To keep most supporters of poor clubs "swallowing the bait" and keeping an
interest in their club that is of tangible value to the AFL (by being
ratings eyeballs or members/attenders of matches) the club must - at
least - make the finals a couple of times in a decade. It will be
interesting to see how the AFL can engineer this over the next 10 years,
perhaps a Final 14?
gF
"David Clayton" <dcs...@NOSPAM.myrealbox.com> wrote in message news:pan.2009.11.07....@NOSPAM.myrealbox.com...
>
> I expect the rest of the football followers will wake up to this reality
> in 2 or 3 years time, because I reckon that the AFL insiders are already
> quite well aware of what is likely to play out in this period and will try
> to keep it quiet for as long as possible.
>
> To keep most supporters of poor clubs "swallowing the bait" and keeping an
> interest in their club that is of tangible value to the AFL (by being
> ratings eyeballs or members/attenders of matches) the club must - at
> least - make the finals a couple of times in a decade. It will be
> interesting to see how the AFL can engineer this over the next 10 years,
> perhaps a Final 14?
>
> --
actually I think that is a load of rubbish David
(IE That fans have no idea and swallowing the bait)
Supporters have already seen this with every non-Vic introduction
getting draft/list concessions in one way or another and the
Sure GC17 and WS will recieve the concessions but then
they have to as a new start up in states with almost no
football background and I think that this will have a major
effect on their success, West Coast / Adelaide/ Port etc
had lists of players who were considerably home grown
The new startups will not have that luxury.
gF
David Clayton
>
> "David Clayton" <dcs...@NOSPAM.myrealbox.com> wrote in message
> news:pan.2009.11.07....@NOSPAM.myrealbox.com...
>> On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 23:33:00 +1100, gF wrote:
>>
>> I expect the rest of the football followers will wake up to this reality
>> in 2 or 3 years time, because I reckon that the AFL insiders are already
>> quite well aware of what is likely to play out in this period and will
>> try to keep it quiet for as long as possible.
>>
>> To keep most supporters of poor clubs "swallowing the bait" and keeping
>> an interest in their club that is of tangible value to the AFL (by being
>> ratings eyeballs or members/attenders of matches) the club must - at
>> least - make the finals a couple of times in a decade. It will be
>> interesting to see how the AFL can engineer this over the next 10 years,
>> perhaps a Final 14?
>
> actually I think that is a load of rubbish David (IE That fans have no
> idea and swallowing the bait) Supporters have already seen this with every
> non-Vic introduction getting draft/list concessions in one way or another
> and the
>
No one has ever seen what is happening now and what will happen over the
next 5 seasons. This is different to what occured previously.
> Sure GC17 and WS will recieve the concessions but then they have to as a
> new start up in states with almost no football background and I think that
> this will have a major effect on their success, West Coast / Adelaide/
> Port etc had lists of players who were considerably home grown The new
> startups will not have that luxury.
>
Exactly, the "new startups" will have an effect on the competition as we
have never seen.
Woofdog
You mean, 'Ready made clubs', David?
Eddie
Neil Green
I agree entirely with everything you've said, as I
said the question should have been whether to
establish the clubs or not, once the decision was made
the corruption of the draft was inevitable.
At the end of it all we'll have two extra clubs that
no one in the traditional football states could care
less about, cash pumped into the competition by media
outlets, a hopelessly compromised draw and pitiful
attendance figures at some games.
It's a brave new world.