Fevola again
George W Frost
Why wasn't anything said the next day, or even on the night, why wait till
now?
The Herald Sun has seen an opportunity to sell more papers and are running
with it.
Now, Brisbane has to cope with this new allegation,
not Carlton, who apparently knew all about it but kept quiet until
negotiations with Brisbane were over.
Never did like Kernahan, too much of a smart-arse, along with most of
Carlton
John Nichols
John Elliot
Richard Pratt
Wayne Johnston, who could ever forget little Wayney boy,
in the 1982 Grand Final between Carlton and Richmond, Adelaide stripper
Helen D'Amico wearing only a Carlton scarf,
did a streak onto the ground
he grabbed her scarf and swung her around, almost taking her head off
Probably because she got too close to the Flying Doormat
maybe he was jealous?
Neil Green
"George W Frost" <george...@gmail.com> wrote in
message
news:P7Czm.46370$ze1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
Not a fan of The Blues George?
George W Frost
"Neil Green" <nrgre...@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:han055$ge0$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
Actually Neil, I do not mind the majority of Carlton players
just the hierarchy I don't like
Neil Green
The heirarchy's OK now George, Kernahan is a very
genuine bloke who I know has done a lot of good work
on a personal level.
He's not the best public speaker and probably isn't
suited as President, but he's doing his best.
1982 George?
Not that you hold grudges!
giovani
"admits after the event"
That Carlton knew of the additional "problems"
with Fev
Seems he was well schooled by his two predecessors
"An honest Carlton President"
Is that an oxymoron?
avagoodone
giovani
Greg
Fucking disgrace this episode, the reporter has reported it but doesnt
want it to go any further, this stinks to high heaven, she should be
made now to put up or shutup.
Greg
Neil Green
"giovani" <gio...@nothere.not_there> wrote in message
news:02df0fbc$0$20652$c3e...@news.astraweb.com...
Along with Adrian Anderson, the football operations
manager of the AFL, the Herald Sun newspaper and
"other parties" that the AFL had discussions with.
Seems like pretty much the whole football world knew
gio, are you disappointed they didn't tell you?
>
> Seems he was well schooled by his two predecessors
> "An honest Carlton President"
> Is that an oxymoron?
That's rich, coming from a supporter of a club that
allowed an amphetamine addicted footballer to lead
them to a Premiership with their full knowledge and
consent.
George W Frost
Me..hold a grudge Niel ??
Never
just wish I could catch that bastard of a doctor who gave me a belt on the
arse when I was born
that hurt
George W Frost
"Greg" <gre...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:k4cuc5p9ar2qe7ch0...@4ax.com...
Totally agree Greg
also, the reporter who alleged the event, will remain anonymous
Given that anonymity is needed for sexual abuse cases
but, once an accusation is made, it is very hard to undo
even if proven they are false
The accuser stays in anonymity, basking in their glory, knowing they have
brought down a well known person with bullshit
David Clayton
.........
> Totally agree Greg
> also, the reporter who alleged the event, will remain anonymous Given that
> anonymity is needed for sexual abuse cases but, once an accusation is
> made, it is very hard to undo even if proven they are false
> The accuser stays in anonymity, basking in their glory, knowing they have
> brought down a well known person with bullshit
Yep, there's a lot of "glory" whilst remaining anonymous.....
You see some utter crap in this ng occasionally, but this is right
(down?) up there.
--
Regards, David.
David Clayton
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia.
Knowledge is a measure of how many answers you have, intelligence is a
measure of how many questions you have.
Neil Green
"George W Frost" <george...@gmail.com> wrote in
message
news:v6Qzm.46491$ze1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
As far as I'm aware George, and you'll understand that
this is strictly off the record, the incident happened
in full view of a large number of people, and the
person concerned doesn't want the matter to go any
further.
She did not "report" the incident, to the Herald Sun,
the Police or anyone else, and she hasn't alleged
anything, she didn't need to as there were plenty of
witnesses.
Get off that high horse before it throws you off.
David J Richardson
"George W Frost" <george...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The accuser stays in anonymity, basking in their glory, knowing they
> have brought down a well known person with bullshit
Her name has been published, Fev has acknowledged he had something to
apologise to her for, and the accusation she is "basking" is gross.
Almost as gross as Carlton's "yeah, we knew, but whatever" line, or the
apparent way the Melbourne media and the AFL sat on this until minutes
after the trade was made.
--
David J Richardson -- work...@davidj.richardson.name
http://davidj.richardson.name/ - Dr Who articles/interviews/reviews
http://www.boomerang.org.au/ - Boomerang Association of Australia
George W Frost
Then someone else has decided to make a name or a few bucks for themself
Neil Green
"David J Richardson"
<work...@davidj.richardson.name> wrote in message
news:workitout-25437...@news.eternal-september.org...
The bottom line David is that it was common knowledge,
Adrian Andrson no less, and I'm sure Brisbane FC was
fully aware of it and entered the trade with their
eyes wide open.
Carlton FC has nothing to apologise for, much as you'd
like to think otherwise.
Neil Green
It's news George, pure and simple.
gF
"David J Richardson" <work...@davidj.richardson.name> wrote in message
news:workitout-25437...@news.eternal-september.org...
> "George W Frost" <george...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The accuser stays in anonymity, basking in their glory, knowing they
>> have brought down a well known person with bullshit
>
> Her name has been published, Fev has acknowledged he had something to
> apologise to her for, and the accusation she is "basking" is gross.
>
> Almost as gross as Carlton's "yeah, we knew, but whatever" line, or the
> apparent way the Melbourne media and the AFL sat on this until minutes
> after the trade was made.
>
I expect you will be agitating for Hurley
to be cut from the Bumblers list then
You'd be happy the misogynist drunken girl bashing
unregistered unlicensed driver is gone from the list then as well
gF
David J Richardson
"Neil Green" <nrgre...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> The bottom line David is that it was common knowledge, Adrian Andrson
> no less, and I'm sure Brisbane FC was fully aware of it and entered
> the trade with their eyes wide open.
Yes, that's why the curious (well, not really) thing was how the
Melbourne media didn't want to piss off their local bread and butter.
> Carlton FC has nothing to apologise for, much as you'd like to think
> otherwise.
Not even Robert Walls believes that!
The thing that annoyed me in this case was Kernahan huffing and puffing
around the issue -- Fev did something(s) that finally got him sacked
after 11 years, but CFC expects us to believe that the committee and
coach (who weren't there) made the decision after no investigation, and
without speaking to any player (including Fev himself). It was just a
silly thing to say (and then persist with), and didn't preserve
anyone's reputation.
David J Richardson
"gF" <no.n...@aaah.com> wrote:
> > Almost as gross as Carlton's "yeah, we knew, but whatever" line, or
> > the apparent way the Melbourne media and the AFL sat on this until
> > minutes after the trade was made.
>
> I expect you will be agitating for Hurley to be cut from the Bumblers
> list then
No club's group of young men is perfect, but hopefully when things
happen the club answers things relatively forthrightly, not insulting
the intelligence of the media, the public, and indeed their own fans.
(Have been very impressed with Paul Hamilton this year -- a class act.)
> You'd be happy the misogynist drunken girl bashing unregistered
> unlicensed driver is gone from the list then as well
If I was tasteless, I'd say he'll form a great trio with Milne and
Montagna... maybe Riewoldt can give them advice occasionally.
Neil Green
> In article
> <hap859$hk6$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> "Neil Green" <nrgre...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>
>> The bottom line David is that it was common
>> knowledge, Adrian Andrson
>> no less, and I'm sure Brisbane FC was fully aware
>> of it and entered
>> the trade with their eyes wide open.
>
> Yes, that's why the curious (well, not really) thing
> was how the
> Melbourne media didn't want to piss off their local
> bread and butter.
>
>> Carlton FC has nothing to apologise for, much as
>> you'd like to think
>> otherwise.
>
> Not even Robert Walls believes that!
Robert Walls is a bitter and twisted individual who
has never got over being sacked as Carlton coach and
who now makes a living by making "controversial"
statements.
You can take anything he says with a grain of salt.
>
> The thing that annoyed me in this case was Kernahan
> huffing and puffing
> around the issue -- Fev did something(s) that
> finally got him sacked
> after 11 years, but CFC expects us to believe that
> the committee and
> coach (who weren't there) made the decision after no
> investigation, and
> without speaking to any player (including Fev
> himself). It was just a
> silly thing to say (and then persist with), and
> didn't preserve
> anyone's reputation.
Kernahan will never put the full story into the public
domain, and neither should he.
Public speaking and handling the media aren't his
strong points, he should have let Swann handle it.
gF
> In article <HpCdnYu_xd9t1k3X...@westnet.com.au>,
> "gF" <no.n...@aaah.com> wrote:
>
>> > Almost as gross as Carlton's "yeah, we knew, but whatever" line, or
>> > the apparent way the Melbourne media and the AFL sat on this until
>> > minutes after the trade was made.
>>
>> I expect you will be agitating for Hurley to be cut from the Bumblers
>> list then
>
> No club's group of young men is perfect, but hopefully when things
> happen the club answers things relatively forthrightly, not insulting
> the intelligence of the media, the public, and indeed their own fans.
>
lol, in other words you are prepared to keep a player on your
list as long as he is very good or has the potential!
you can't have it both ways.
gF
David Clayton
> "David J Richardson"
> <work...@davidj.richardson.name> wrote in message
>> The thing that annoyed me in this case was Kernahan huffing and puffing
>> around the issue -- Fev did something(s) that finally got him sacked
>> after 11 years, but CFC expects us to believe that the committee and
>> coach (who weren't there) made the decision after no investigation, and
>> without speaking to any player (including Fev himself). It was just a
>> silly thing to say (and then persist with), and didn't preserve
>> anyone's reputation.
>
> Kernahan will never put the full story into the public domain, and
> neither should he.
Kernahan himself comes from an era where similar activities were (still)
regularly occuring and covered up as a matter of course, he probably has a
lot of sympathy for Fevola given what he knows others got away with in the
past. His mindset still probably matches some in this NG where "boys
should be left to be boys" and things like this are just a bloody
inconvenience when they are made public and force a club to also take some
public action.
It is always interesting to see how people who come from the "real world"
and initially get involved in football clubs react compared to those who
have been embedded in the "mates" culture for most of their life -
astonishment heading towards horror are some of the reactions that these
"outsiders" exhibit when confronted with things that are revealed and
apparently accepted by some others in the club.
Who said dinosaurs were extinct, AFL clubs are (still) full of 'em?
straub
<dcs...@NOSPAM.myrealbox.com> wrote:
>Kernahan himself comes from an era where similar activities were (still)
>regularly occuring and covered up as a matter of course, he probably has a
>lot of sympathy for Fevola given what he knows others got away with in the
>past. His mindset still probably matches some in this NG where "boys
>should be left to be boys" and things like this are just a bloody
>inconvenience when they are made public and force a club to also take some
>public action.
>
Thanks DC, you just made me feel really really old :)
David Clayton
> On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 09:39:01 +1100, David Clayton
> <dcs...@NOSPAM.myrealbox.com> wrote:
>
>>Kernahan himself comes from an era where similar activities were (still)
>>regularly occuring and covered up as a matter of course, he probably has
>>a lot of sympathy for Fevola given what he knows others got away with in
>>the past. His mindset still probably matches some in this NG where "boys
>>should be left to be boys" and things like this are just a bloody
>>inconvenience when they are made public and force a club to also take
>>some public action.
>>
> Thanks DC, you just made me feel really really old :)
>
Probably not as old as you (we) felt when that final siren sounded at
Round 22 at Subi as few months ago..... :-(
Neil Green
"David Clayton" <dcs...@NOSPAM.myrealbox.com> wrote in
message
news:pan.2009.10.10....@NOSPAM.myrealbox.com...
As I've said earlier, I can't be sure where, Fevola's
antics were not seen to be out of place in the earlier
part of his career at Carlton, our illustrious former
President would have probably got on the turps with
him in fact.
He's not the sharpest tool in the shed and over time
came to believe his own publicity, and came to believe
that he was indispensable to the CFC, The Footy Show
and the game in general, other players have trodden
similar paths over the years.
A previous coach was told that he couldn't be dropped,
a coach prior to him was told that he couldn't be
traded, so it's no surprise that his ego ran away with
him.
Cold reality has hit, it will be interesting to see if
Brisbane can get the best from him but I don't fancy
their chances, I'm still gobsmacked that they, or
anyone else, took him off our hands, but I'm eternally
grateful.
giovani
> In article <HpCdnYu_xd9t1k3X...@westnet.com.au>,
> "gF" <no.n...@aaah.com> wrote:
>
>>> Almost as gross as Carlton's "yeah, we knew, but whatever" line, or
>>> the apparent way the Melbourne media and the AFL sat on this until
>>> minutes after the trade was made.
>> I expect you will be agitating for Hurley to be cut from the Bumblers
>> list then
>
> No club's group of young men is perfect, but hopefully when things
> happen the club answers things relatively forthrightly, not insulting
> the intelligence of the media, the public, and indeed their own fans.
Seems some inconsistency of opinion among supporters.
In this same thread, Neil has stated:
giovani
Well, no actually.
Just amusing that "everybody knew"
But "nobody was saying"
Why not?
Perhaps in case some of the critical players were not among the
everybodys that knew?
Or that disclosure may screw the deal?
Oooh, sneaky !
>> Seems he was well schooled by his two predecessors
>> "An honest Carlton President"
>> Is that an oxymoron?
>
> That's rich, coming from a supporter of a club that
> allowed an amphetamine addicted footballer to lead
> them to a Premiership with their full knowledge and
> consent.
Is it normal practice to drag in the red herrings when an argument is
being misplaced, presumed lost? ;-P
But picking up on your comment/s
1
at least WC won a Premiership flag; and,
2.
Seems Carlton were in much the same position as WC
A hard decision had to be made
And probably Fev will do well at Brisbane; Cousins did at Richmond.
For the sake of his family and also the Lions, I hope he does
Methinks that Carlton may live to regret the "hard decision" a little
more than WC.
Fev will have a lot more on field support!
Proof will be in the pudding, but I await with interest the first clash
Think it will be a csae of the 'Blues" for the Blues!
Don't think your martial arts captain will prevail for you
avagoodone
giovani
Neil Green
"giovani" <gio...@nothere.not_there> wrote in message
Do you also believe in leprechauns gio?
If the operations manager of the AFL was fully aware,
and he's said that he was, then he had a duty to
disclose what he knew to all parties to the trade.
If the Brisbane FC wasn't made aware of all the facts
they could sue the AFL's arse from here to eternity,
but you can believe whatever fairy tales and kooky
conspiracy theories that row your boat.
>
>>> Seems he was well schooled by his two predecessors
>>> "An honest Carlton President"
>>> Is that an oxymoron?
>>
>> That's rich, coming from a supporter of a club that
>> allowed an amphetamine addicted footballer to lead
>> them to a Premiership with their full knowledge and
>> consent.
>
> Is it normal practice to drag in the red herrings
> when an argument is being misplaced, presumed lost?
> ;-P
I'm not involved in an argument gio, I'm responding to
someone casting aspersions on the ethics of the
football club that I support and pointing out that
said person is hardly in a position to do so given his
support for the morally bankrupt administration at his
own club.
>
> But picking up on your comment/s
> 1
> at least WC won a Premiership flag; and,
The ends justify the means?
Thought as much.
> 2.
> Seems Carlton were in much the same position as WC
> A hard decision had to be made
> And probably Fev will do well at Brisbane; Cousins
> did at Richmond.
> For the sake of his family and also the Lions, I
> hope he does
> Methinks that Carlton may live to regret the "hard
> decision" a little more than WC.
> Fev will have a lot more on field support!
>
> Proof will be in the pudding, but I await with
> interest the first clash
> Think it will be a csae of the 'Blues" for the
> Blues!
> Don't think your martial arts captain will prevail
> for you
Still dirty on losing Juddy?
Perhaps if your club had set higher standards he'd
still be in The West.
>
> avagoodone
> giovani
Neil Green
"giovani" <gio...@nothere.not_there> wrote in message
And I stand by that gio.
It's no one's business than those involved and there
is no public interest at stake, just an ambulance
chaser mentality that's all too prevalent these days.
Whatever happened on the night is of no interest to me
and shouldn't be to any reasonable adult.
giovani
<splutter, choke>
<grin>
One does not need to cast aspersions on Carlton
That club has over the last 20 years done a darn fine job of it
without any outside assistance
.
In comparison WC is not even close to light grey in the "pot / kettle
/ black" stakes.
>> But picking up on your comment/s
>> 1
>> at least WC won a Premiership flag; and,
>
> The ends justify the means?
> Thought as much.
Sour grapes methinks ;)
Who ran second in last year's Melbourne Cup?
While there is a prize for second, the name rarely appears in the
record books.
However they do usually record winners of the "wooden spoon"
Not sure how many WC have won
Can you help me ... which club has the record for the most "spoons" in
AFL history?
<snip>
>> Proof will be in the pudding, but I await with
>> interest the first clash
>> Think it will be a csae of the 'Blues" for the
>> Blues!
>> Don't think your martial arts captain will prevail
>> for you
>
> Still dirty on losing Juddy?
> Perhaps if your club had set higher standards he'd
> still be in The West.
Nope
I said on this forum (near) 12 months before we won the premiership
that he would be going.
He was not happy at WC and it showed.
Perhaps homesick; or,
Methinks a bit put out at not being the top dg with others kow-towing
to him. He had to contend with sharing the limelight and I don't
think his ego allows for this.
At Carlton he is the Alpha Dog. (he was) Best mates with Pratt and
high flying through the environmental side to which Pratt introduced
him; on first name terms with high society and hobnobbing with Prime
Minister Rudd etc. He is now in his ego fuelled environment.
However this in turn is showing up on field.
He does not get the support and protection he was used to at WC
When he does not get the respect HE thinks he deserves, he tends to
get upset(and to a degree vicious)
Must admit it was a bit of a laugh when he tried to duck out of the
eye gouging episode.
Was obvious he thought that he was untouchable and upset when he was
touched - for three weeks ;)
avagoodone
giovani
PS: perhaps "Good judd-gment comes from bad experience and a lot of
that comes from bad judd-gment"; and remember,
"Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive. "
giovani
> "giovani" <gio...@nothere.not_there> wrote in message
> news:005ad249$0$26910$c3e...@news.astraweb.com...
>> David J Richardson wrote:
>>> In article
>>> <HpCdnYu_xd9t1k3X...@westnet.com.au>,
<snip>
>>> No club's group of young men is perfect, but
>>> hopefully when things happen the club answers
>>> things relatively forthrightly, not insulting the
>>> intelligence of the media, the public, and indeed
>>> their own fans.
>> Seems some inconsistency of opinion among
>> supporters.
>>
>> In this same thread, Neil has stated:
>> "Kernahan will never put the full story into the
>> public
>> domain, and neither should he."
>
> And I stand by that gio.
> It's no one's business than those involved and there
> is no public interest at stake, just an ambulance
> chaser mentality that's all too prevalent these days.
> Whatever happened on the night is of no interest to me
> and shouldn't be to any reasonable adult.
No argument with that Neil
My comment related to inconsistency of approach / thought
avagoodone
giovani
"If you tell the truth you don't have to remember anything. "
Neil Green
"giovani" <gio...@nothere.not_there> wrote in message
Surely you jest?
On second thought I think you're serious.
>
>>> But picking up on your comment/s
>>> 1
>>> at least WC won a Premiership flag; and,
>>
>> The ends justify the means?
>> Thought as much.
>
> Sour grapes methinks ;)
> Who ran second in last year's Melbourne Cup?
> While there is a prize for second, the name rarely
> appears in the record books.
>
> However they do usually record winners of the
> "wooden spoon"
> Not sure how many WC have won
> Can you help me ... which club has the record for
> the most "spoons" in AFL history?
No idea, however I do know which club has the most
premierships.
Of course you would retort that pre AFL days count for
nought, but you would ignore the fact that the VFL was
the premier competition in Australia and that all the
best players played in it.
16 I believe.
>
> <snip>
>
>>> Proof will be in the pudding, but I await with
>>> interest the first clash
>>> Think it will be a csae of the 'Blues" for the
>>> Blues!
>>> Don't think your martial arts captain will prevail
>>> for you
>>
>> Still dirty on losing Juddy?
>> Perhaps if your club had set higher standards he'd
>> still be in The West.
>
> Nope
> I said on this forum (near) 12 months before we won
> the premiership that he would be going.
> He was not happy at WC and it showed.
Little wonder.
He was surrounded by gangsters, spivs and drug
addicts, he was lucky to get out alive.
> Perhaps homesick; or,
> Methinks a bit put out at not being the top dg with
> others kow-towing to him. He had to contend with
> sharing the limelight and I don't think his ego
> allows for this.
>
> At Carlton he is the Alpha Dog. (he was) Best mates
> with Pratt and high flying through the environmental
> side to which Pratt introduced him; on first name
> terms with high society and hobnobbing with Prime
> Minister Rudd etc. He is now in his ego fuelled
> environment.
>
> However this in turn is showing up on field.
> He does not get the support and protection he was
> used to at WC
>
> When he does not get the respect HE thinks he
> deserves, he tends to get upset(and to a degree
> vicious)
> Must admit it was a bit of a laugh when he tried to
> duck out of the eye gouging episode.
> Was obvious he thought that he was untouchable and
> upset when he was touched - for three weeks ;)
Drivel.
Neil Green
"giovani" <gio...@nothere.not_there> wrote in message
No inconsistency here.
I have no interest in Hurley's predicament either and
have passed no comment on it.
It's a matter for the courts, and whatever action the
EFC sees fit to take, if any, is up to them.
I'm happy that Fevola was traded, but my opinion has
nothing to do with an alleged incident involving a
female journalist.
Matt S
Do the names Norman & Angwin do it for you. Both screwed up...one got
the arse, the other was kept. Now THATS having it both ways. Bloody
CFC hypocrisy. For ONCE your club does a moral good, and you want to
bellow from the rafters about the moral substance of a club full of
cheats. WOW.
hooroo...
gF
My point is Richo was the Pot calling the Kettle black
Fact is if the player is good enough
Eg Fevola, Hawkins, Cousins, Didak, Shaw, Hurley and many many more
will be/have been forgiven many times and I don't see anywhere
in my statement that says I was any different to Richo nor that the
Blues had any moral high ground. Tragically that just what
you need to read into it to satisfy a painful history.
gF
Neil Green
Don't kid yourself matt, the call on Fevola had
nothing to do with morals or ethics.
He was no longer viable.
CDK
Did juddy say it's him or me?
CDK
George W Frost
"CDK" <Michel...@SistineChapel.com> wrote in message
news:E5DAm.47036$ze1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
More than likely as Fev was making fun of Judd at the Brownlows when Fev had
the microphone and touched Judd under the ear yelling out
"Pressure point....pressure point"
giovani
giovani
Ooops!
Neil
You have always come across as a reasonable person
Friendly suggestion:
Stop trying to defend the indefensible
avagoodone
giovani
Neil Green
"CDK" <Michel...@SistineChapel.com> wrote in
message
news:E5DAm.47036$ze1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
Nothing to do with Judd, Murphy or the journo much and
all as the gossip mongers would like to think
otherwise.
He was doing irreparable damage to the brand which
Carlton has been at pains to repair these last few
years and which sponsors have flocked to of late.
There's more to football these dayts than kicking a
piece of leather Colin.
Neil Green
"giovani" <gio...@nothere.not_there> wrote in message
I wasn't aware that I was defending anything in
particular gio.
CDK
Who needs players to damage Carlton's image, that is surely the job of
the Presidents.
> There's more to football these dayts than kicking a
> piece of leather Colin.
Yes it is about winning games.
CDK
Neil Green
"CDK" <Michel...@SistineChapel.com> wrote in
message
Not entirely.
Essendon is a prime example, mediocre team, win/loss
ratio well in the red the last five years or so and
yet a financial powerhouse with a huge membership and
supporter base, virtually immune from any talk of
relocation or merger or worse.
It's only a few years since Carlton was technically
trading while insolvent, these conditions can sink a
club far quicker than losing games, and Fevola was an
impediment to our continued recovery.
The wins will come when everything else around the
club is in place, with or without Fev.
David J Richardson
"gF" <no.n...@aaah.com> wrote:
> My point is Richo was the Pot calling the Kettle black
> Fact is if the player is good enough
> Eg Fevola, Hawkins, Cousins, Didak, Shaw, Hurley and many many more
> will be/have been forgiven many times and I don't see anywhere in my
> statement that says I was any different to Richo nor that the Blues
> had any moral high ground.
I know you like misquoting, but what I said had nothing to do with the
actions of the player, but rather with the incredibly clumsy way it was
explained away at the end of trade week. I don't think it'd be classy
to detail *everything* to a press conference (though I've heard they
did that to an extent behind the scenes), but don't insult us all by
saying no players were consulted, no investigation was done, and the
board acted on, well, we dunno.
(And speaking of morons: who thought it was a good idea to latterly blur
out one person in the Footy Show video, in effect saying "THIS IS THE
PERSON!")
David Clayton
> Neil Green wrote:
........
>> There's more to football these days than kicking a piece of leather
>> Colin.
>
> Yes it is about winning games.
>
Not in all cases.
Some of Richmond's major sponsors were happy this last season because of
all the publicity that Cousins' and other events attracted -
(apparently.... usual disclaimer applies....) Dick Smith were delighted
having their new logo in front of the faces of so many people on TVs all
over the country, and weren't at all concerned that the club that they
were sponsoring was the laughing stock of the whole AFL for most of the
2009 season. People were seeing the brand - that's what counts.
The AFL is primarily a vehicle to attract TV ratings, if the value of a
bit of controversy in this area can outweigh any "damage" done to the
individual franchises then the AFL (and those that put money into it) will
remain happy.
CDK
> On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:28:08 +0000, CDK wrote:
>
>> Neil Green wrote:
> ........
>>> There's more to football these days than kicking a piece of leather
>>> Colin.
>> Yes it is about winning games.
>>
> Not in all cases.
>
> Some of Richmond's major sponsors were happy this last season because of
> all the publicity that Cousins' and other events attracted -
> (apparently.... usual disclaimer applies....) Dick Smith were delighted
> having their new logo in front of the faces of so many people on TVs all
> over the country, and weren't at all concerned that the club that they
> were sponsoring was the laughing stock of the whole AFL for most of the
> 2009 season. People were seeing the brand - that's what counts.
>
> The AFL is primarily a vehicle to attract TV ratings, if the value of a
> bit of controversy in this area can outweigh any "damage" done to the
> individual franchises then the AFL (and those that put money into it) will
> remain happy.
>
Given my association with one of Richmond's recent major sponsors I know
that their lack of on field success was a factor in them withdrawing.
not the only reason but one of them.
CDK
David Clayton
> David Clayton wrote:
.........
>> Some of Richmond's major sponsors were happy this last season because of
>> all the publicity that Cousins' and other events attracted -
>> (apparently.... usual disclaimer applies....) Dick Smith were delighted
>> having their new logo in front of the faces of so many people on TVs all
>> over the country, and weren't at all concerned that the club that they
>> were sponsoring was the laughing stock of the whole AFL for most of the
>> 2009 season. People were seeing the brand - that's what counts.
.......
> Given my association with one of Richmond's recent major sponsors I know
> that their lack of on field success was a factor in them withdrawing. not
> the only reason but one of them.
>
Yep, some sponsors seem to have different attitudes when it comes to this
sort of thing. I was personally staggered when I heard that Disk Smith
("apparently" etc.) were happy with the way things went - but I suppose
that just reflects the differing value systems these organisations (and
people) have compared to others.
If you remind yourself that Dick Smith are owned by the company that is
the biggest pokie licensee in this country (Woolworths) then you realise
that when it comes to making money, there aren't a lot of moral
impediments for this lot.
Matt S
Sadly, you believe the CFC's history is all honky dory. We may not
have the flags your mob has, but FACTS are:-
Your club cheated to win some flags
Your club continues to recruit/protect anti social individuals.
Your club continually trash talks or disrespects opposition clubs.
Your club is littered with Presidents of dubious moral and legal
integrity.
Your club really is the tragedy here, you just choose to divert your
guilt.
I suppose you think Olympians who win medals on 'roids are ok too, and
the poor honest bloke who runs 4th is tragic.
I know what side of the fence I'll think thanks stats boy.
hooroo....
CDK
> On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 09:44:11 +0000, CDK wrote:
>
>> David Clayton wrote:
> .........
>>> Some of Richmond's major sponsors were happy this last season because of
>>> all the publicity that Cousins' and other events attracted -
>>> (apparently.... usual disclaimer applies....) Dick Smith were delighted
>>> having their new logo in front of the faces of so many people on TVs all
>>> over the country, and weren't at all concerned that the club that they
>>> were sponsoring was the laughing stock of the whole AFL for most of the
>>> 2009 season. People were seeing the brand - that's what counts.
> .......
>> Given my association with one of Richmond's recent major sponsors I know
>> that their lack of on field success was a factor in them withdrawing. not
>> the only reason but one of them.
>>
> Yep, some sponsors seem to have different attitudes when it comes to this
> sort of thing. I was personally staggered when I heard that Disk Smith
> ("apparently" etc.) were happy with the way things went - but I suppose
> that just reflects the differing value systems these organisations (and
> people) have compared to others.
>
> If you remind yourself that Dick Smith are owned by the company that is
> the biggest pokie licensee in this country (Woolworths) then you realise
> that when it comes to making money, there aren't a lot of moral
> impediments for this lot.
>
CDK
Neil Green
"David Clayton" <dcs...@NOSPAM.myrealbox.com> wrote in
message
news:pan.2009.10.13....@NOSPAM.myrealbox.com...
Steady on there David.
I paid under 10 bucks for my Woolworths shares, I'm
more than happy with their business practices.
( I actually bought them because they made a public
statement that their staff wouldn't be signed onto
AWA's when Howard was ramming them down everyone's
neck, bought Nab shares for the same reason, sold
Qantas when they outsourced their maintenance).
Amazing really, I know SFA about the share market but
seem to make the right moves, more or less by
accident.
David Clayton
> "David Clayton" <dcs...@NOSPAM.myrealbox.com> wrote in message
>> If you remind yourself that Dick Smith are owned by the company that is
>> the biggest pokie licensee in this country (Woolworths) then you realise
>> that when it comes to making money, there aren't a lot of moral
>> impediments for this lot.
>
> Steady on there David.
> I paid under 10 bucks for my Woolworths shares, I'm more than happy with
> their business practices. ( I actually bought them because they made a
> public statement that their staff wouldn't be signed onto AWA's when
> Howard was ramming them down everyone's neck, bought Nab shares for the
> same reason, sold Qantas when they outsourced their maintenance). Amazing
> really, I know SFA about the share market but seem to make the right
> moves, more or less by accident.
>
sleazier side of the pantheon of business that is around. Woolworths are
as good/bad as those AFL clubs skimming millions from pokies addicts
around the country - like Geelong who claimed all their football expenses
(including player payments) as a "Community Benefit".
Neil Green
Yeah, I read that a few weeks ago.
Apparently it's all kosher, according to the gaming
"watchdog".
David Clayton
> "David Clayton" <dcs...@NOSPAM.myrealbox.com> wrote in message
>> Yep, you can make big $$ investing in companies that are involved in
>> the sleazier side of the pantheon of business that is around.
>> Woolworths are as good/bad as those AFL clubs skimming millions from
>> pokies addicts around the country - like Geelong who claimed all their
>> football expenses (including player payments) as a "Community Benefit".
>
> Yeah, I read that a few weeks ago.
> Apparently it's all kosher, according to the gaming "watchdog".
It is a bizarre world where million dollar sports stars are financed
directly from the small proportion of pokie revenue that was supposed to
compensate the local community for the acknowledged damage that this sort
of gambling has in a local area.
Wrecked your life gambling down Geelong way?, lost your house, family,
job etc because you couldn't resist gambling? - don't worry, feel happy in
knowing that the fruits of your misery went *directly* into the pockets of
your local footy team's players......
Neil Green
It's plain wrong, but legal, like a lot of things.