DEFENCE REPORT 1999
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Editor's Note:
I submitted the rough draft of this report to Brigadier Ted Serong, a man
who is respected as one who has contributed more to Australia's defence than
any man I know living in Australia today. I did not want there to be any
loophole to allow frivolous criticism of minor errors to obscure reality.
His reply was:
Tony,
This is excellent material. It is correct. I support it. You may quote
that - if it helps. The presentation is not quite my style - but your style
is your business, and the content is right and needs to be said. Keep it up.
F.P.S.
Melbourne
Why have a Defence Force?
Anyone who thinks that our near north neighbours are now so civilised that
they would not play baby kebabs with a bayonet is too stupid to survive long
on this earth. In November a Muslim Shiite religious leader was explaining
that, by their law, they had to kill all infidel men, women and children.
The journo asked, "But! Why kill babies?" The Muslim leader replied, "Ah!
Blue eyed babies grow up into white devils." Don't write this man off as an
exception and religious nut. He is not an exception. There are hundreds of
millions of Muslims who have these beliefs.
He also has sound reasons to believe we are devils, if we look at the world
through his eyes, and the eyes of Saddam Hussein. If you opened the
newspaper tomorrow and found that Hussein had used chemical, microwave and
laser technology to wipe out 250,000 US military personnel and 100,000
civilians you would be shocked. If Hussein then ordered the US to destroy
ALL their weapons of MASS DESTRUCTION, under threat of annihilation, would
we go to their aid?
With no weapons, would the US feel safe from Russia, Japan, China etc? How
would the widows, orphans and grieving parents feel towards Hussein and his
merciless attack. If Hussein came back with HIS inspectors and threatened
further murder of civilian population if the USA did not open all factories
for "inspection" how would US civilians feel?
World War III?
Saddam Hussein and Muhatir Gadaffi are not cowards and they are not fools.
They are leaders and they have obligations to defend their people. Let
nobody delude themselves. Anyone who thinks Gadaffi and Hussein have no
choice but to endure the USA's attacks is a fool. There are enough Muslims
in USA to have a holocaust of unprecedented proportions.
One fanatic on a motorbike could visit every agricultural show in the USA
and infect all prime stock with anthrax that would make the continent
uninhabitable as are the islands where anthrax was tested in World War II.
Any activist with half a brain can get 200 litres of grease/oil/petrol mix
and explode it at Grand Central Station in peak hour to show the US what it
is like on the receiving end of some ordnance. If Hussein and Gadaffi go
tit-for-tat the civilians lose - not the politicians.
The UN attack on Iraq could trigger the holy war. The Muslims have as much
right to weapons of mass destruction as does the US. Just because we see
ourselves as the "good guys" does not endow us with any such status.
If there is a war, what is the state of our Defence Forces?
Our Mindset
Pretending that we will never be attacked won't save us. Pretending that
very senior people in the major parties are not part of an agenda to disarm
us might be comforting but their activities should be monitored, as I have
done, from when I joined the RAAF in 1959 until now. I give you a thumbnail
sketch of just some of the defence facilities that the government got rid
of.
The Ready Reserve
This cache of 1,157 Bren guns and 415,000 303s (plus ammunition) was put in
storage after World War II in case we were invaded. It took three years to
unpack, clean, check, oil and repack the weapons, and then it was time to do
it all again. I watched the storeman, acting under orders, dumping them on
the Barrier Reef, cutting them up in pallet loads and sending them to Sims
Metal. By 1991 most had been destroyed. The remainder, 100,000 303s 8,300
Brens, 3,000 Vickers, and all remaining Owen guns went to "overseas tender
only" (Aust 30/5/91). This left us with 110,000 of the L1A1, 7.62mm self
loading rifles and 37,000 Steyr 5,56mm rifles.
The SLRs
In 1994 the government ordered that these 110,000 rifles be melted down at
BHP. Each rifle was worth $4,000 secondhand. That left us with (by then)
67,000 Steyrs.
The 5.56mm/.223cal
The Steyr was 5.56mm or .223cal a virtual toy by military weapon standards.
It was touted the killer weapon as was the Armalite 223. The British
commandos used that in the Falkland war. In the debriefing the commandos
reported that the .223cal was no use in war. In their words, "The Armalite
5.56mm the L42 (7.62mm) and the SLR were the weapons predominantly used, but
the Armalite just didn't have the stopping power - it's a 5.56mm high
velocity round, and it used to go straight through people as opposed to
knocking them down. The 7.62 SLRs and L42s were knocking them down." It was
after the Australian "government" were aware of this inadequacy that they
dumped the SLRs and armed Australians with a known ineffective calibre
weapon.
The Steyr
The Steyr proved to be defective. The Army issued an order No. 7196-94. This
indicated that the Steyr should not be used on rapid fire for long because
plastic parts melted.
The Saudis tried the Steyr and rejected it because it could not handle the
dusty conditions. It was also reported that the tiny .223cal was no good in
the tropical wet either. It didn't take many drops of water down the barrel
to make the gun unsafe to the operator. The optical sight fogs up in the
jungle and, since the rifle has no other sight, the soldier is in deep
trouble.
Australian Defence Industries (ADI)
The Federal Government decided that the gun legislation to disarm Australia
applied to our armed services. If you can't believe that read this report
from the Financial Review 1/12/97. "The Federal Government arms
manufacturer, Australian Defence Industries Ltd, is being paid $400,000 for
surplus guns it is surrendering under the Government's guns amnesty."
" The surrender improves the balance sheet of ADI, which is about to be
privatised, and increases both the tally of weapons surrendered and the
payments, which come out of the extra medicare levy." We paid them to melt
more of our vital defence weapons.
Ammunition Factories
The "government" closed our ammunition factories so we no longer had the
capability to make our own ammunition.
The Ammunition
The ammunition, which had to be imported, was defective. There was case
separation which means that when the extractor tried to pull the spent
cartridge out of the breach the rim came but the case didn't. The only way
the gun could be repaired was to send it back to the armourer where the
brass could be reamed out.
The Ammunition suppliers
Guess who got the contract to supply us with ammunition. You guessed it -
Indonesia. By a strange coincidence they were unable to fulfil the contracts
so the Army had no reserves and no ammunition to even practice with. Does
that surprise you?
Surface to Air Missiles (SAM)
In the fifties and sixties the RAAF had a missile squadron to protect our
industrial heartland around Newcastle. By 1970 the squadron had been
eliminated and not replaced.
Over the Horizon Radar
Today, from satellite, observers can read the headlines of your newspaper,
they can detect a metal object the size of a can opener, and they can pick
up the heat of a decomposing body, buried two foot down, four months after
body was buried. They can track every ship on the face of the earth. Now -
thirty years after the invention of radar absorbent paint for aircraft,
Australia is experimenting with over-the-horizon ground based radar and not
too successfully. Does that surprise you?
Our Air Transport
I watched the RAAF stand the Hercules transport aircraft on the airstrip at
Laverton unattended and un-maintained. These craft deteriorated until they
were sold at junk prices. At that time we were paying Ansett and TAA to fly
our men and equipment because we did not have the aircraft to shift them.
Our Helicopters
We had twenty Chinooks until the government sold 18 of them. Now we have no
aircraft capable of moving our soldiers rapidly or getting supplies to them.
In the invasion of Malaya during the last war the Japanese used push bikes.
We haven't even got bikes.
The Schools
We had the best electronics school in Australia at Laverton. The adult
trainees were a cut above anyone else. We gave hands-on equipment training
to the apprentices who received their theory and practical training in the
best civilian establishments including the Royal Melbourne Institute of
Technology.
The apprentices were so far behind the "direct entry" trainees doing the
same course under RAAF instructors that they could not even start the
practical training undertaken at Laverton. To solve this problem RAAF
instructors had to take the apprentices for a crash course from basics
though to computers to get the civilian trained product to a level to even
look at complex equipment. I was one of the instructors at the school for
over ten years. The School of Radio was closed leaving our youth bereft of
the only decent electronics school in Australia.
A Spy's Paradise
The armed forces Headquarters Support Command, Victoria Barracks, St Kilda
Road was the security joke of the century. All modifications under
development related to by weaponry, airframes, engines, electrical, radio,
radar and navigation aids had to be routed through, and processed by,
civilian staff who were not tradesmen and had no business knowing what
modifications were under way. When I was there the "modifications" cell was
run by a gentleman of recent European extraction.
We, the technical writers, had to have our typing done by the public
servants. There were many foreigners in the typing pool.
The military personnel were not allowed to do their own photocopying. The
copying had to be done by public servants who took the classified documents
out of sight, took what copies they wanted, and then returned the documents.
Fixed Installations
Our transmitting and receiving stations were dispersed for survivability.
These have been closed so we rely on Telstra which is not secure. Encoded
messages are easily broken with computers these days.
Rifle Ranges
About half of our rifle ranges have been closed and the others are being
eliminated rapidly. There is an agenda to close nearly every civilian and
military range. WHY?
The government knows the rifle and pistol clubs provided a pool of shooters
who could in war be snipers or train troops. They do not miss a trick in
disarming and disadvantaging us.
Maintenance
The services have contracted out their maintenance. This is okay in peace
time but it means the servicemen sit doing nothing, get no hands on
experience and become box changers. In time of war we can't force the
civilians to go overseas or even to Darwin and we can't force them to cross
train so they are drivers, gunners, radio operators and soldiers. This is
planned and subtle sabotage. We can't even make the mechanics go on a test
flight in the aircraft they declare serviceable. That kept them honest.
Women
At the risk of being accused of sexism let me say the women do a good job
but the number who entered the services in noncombat roles actually reduced
the combat troops available for dangerous duty by about a quarter. In an
armed service our size that is bad news.
Civilian Staff
The civilian staff are neither use nor ornament to armed services. They too
can't be cross trained to change overnight from box packers (equipment
assistants) to cracker stackers (gunners) and soldiers. They simply give the
services numbers that are not there in time of war. They serve to conceal
the real weakness of our armed forces. When our army was 27,000 strong we
had:
2,500 Clerks
964 Cooks
500 Medical Assistants
192 Movement Assistants
1,631 Drivers
817 Vehicle Mechanics
285 Musicians
585 Info Systems Operators
430 Stewards
1,728 Technical Storemen
241 Cartographic Techs
3,100 Riflemen (a joke)
Source: Minister for Defence, Senator Ray as reported in the Australian
Financial Review 15/5/91.
That would give us about one rifleman for every eight kilometres of
coastline.
Whimps
Troops are being brainwashed into believing that, if they see anyone get
hurt they really need counselling. God help them if the Japs or Indonesians
get them. There won't be any time to sit down, have a good cry, and call the
padres and counsellors.
Discipline
The whole idea of discipline is too make the soldier so scared of his
sergeant that he would rather fight a Jap with a machine gun rather than
risk the wrath of the sergeant. That ain't easy. Current armed forces policy
says that officers and NCOs are not to talk harshly to the men and women in
case their delicate feelings suffer damage.
To suggest that this is all part of a deliberate plan by the government to
neuter the forces might have raised a laugh a few years ago but now there
are just too many signs that there is deliberate psychological
indoctrination of our troops to take away their manhood.
Fairies
There have always been a few homosexuals in the armed forces. Provided they
did their work and did not interfere with others they were tolerated. If
they became a pain in the butt to others they were sent packing.
Now the government makes a production of "accepting" gays. Their real intent
seems to be to encourage limp wristed ones to be visible and active as part
of the image of our new bronzed ANZACs.
I do not rush around telling everyone that I am hetrosexual and I see no
need for any "publicity" about who is gay and certainly there is no need to
pay public relations officers to sell our pro gay armed forces.
Safety
Soldiers are so coddled that they are not allowed to carry rifles, bolts and
ammunition in the same vehicle in case they have an accident.
The enemy will really shock them. He will want to kill them on purpose.
Would anyone seriously suggest that police carry their pistol in one car and
ammution in another? Then why impose such nonsense on grown ups in uniform?
Ready or Not
The government has a suicide plan. They store our rifles where they are
safe - in locked armories. Anyone with half a brain knows this is absolute
stupidity. From lessons learnt every since gun repositories were invented,
the hard cold facts are that, you do not put all the guns in one place where
the enemy can steal them or destroy them in bulk.
One guerrilla with a machine guns can keep a thousand unarmed men out of
their own armory. Even if they got into the armory they would still have no
bolts (breech blocks) and then no ammunition. This cannot be an accident. In
the fifties we had a bracket on the wall where our rifles stood under our
own lock and key.
Gun Factories
To make sure we could not even build military weapons in an emergency the
government bought in legislation to force private firms to sell out to the
government so the factories could be dismantled and the machinery destroyed.
It seems the government is happy for every other nation on earth to make
guns, but WE can't. Do you start to see a pattern emerging?
Surprise Surprise
We had Operation Kangaroo to see if Australia could cope with an invasion
from the north. Guess who the "government" brought in as independent
umpires. You guessed right again - Indonesian Generals.
Navy
The government has done more damage to our navy than the Japs did in World
War II. We don't need an enemy with the ALP/DEM/LIB/NAT/GREENS at the helm.
Aircraft Carrier
They got rid of the Melbourne. Our only aircraft carrier. Our economy is so
devastated we can never hope to replace it.
Fleet Air Arm
The government got rid of the Fleet Air Arm leaving our ships without air
cover in the twentieth century.
Our Missile Ships
We had the Derwent and the Swan. The government sank the Derwent to test
demolition charges. They sank the Swan to make an artificial reef. I had a
report from a marine engineer who went over the Swan as it was being made
ready for a watery grave. He could not believe they were going to get rid of
a ship in such great condition.
Collins Class Submarines
These are a disaster. They are World War II mechanics. They are noisy and
have to surface to charge batteries. In the seventies these type ships could
be tracked like bleeding elephants in the snow. They have no real defence
against attack and they are armed with iron torpedoes which in the 21st
century will be the laughing stock of the world. Our government knew this
when they ordered the submarines.
It would be kinder to shoot the crew now than let them suffer a horrible
death in war. Perhaps we should shoot the traitors who deliberately ordered
that we equip with obsolete toys.
Industrial Treason
The defence support facilities thought up new treason. They ordered that the
Royal Australian Navy build their patrol boats out of aluminium and
magnesium instead of steel, allegedly to avoid rust. They knew, from World
War II, that magnesium was good for making incendiaries.
They put our navy boys into incendiary bombs knowing that any hit would
incinerate our fathers, brothers and sons. When the boat burns it is as
though the sailor was tied to a fireworks fountain. Any survivors are
horribly disfigured and often maimed. The government built these death traps
here in my home town, Maryborough, at Walkers Ltd.
Our old patrol boats were completely refurbished and delivered to Indonesia.
John MacLean, of Hervey Bay, was the crane operator.
Are there kickbacks
We bought two US Navy tank landing vessels, the Manoora and Kanimbla. Both
were built in 1975. We paid $61 million. Then we spent $42 million on
initial rust repair, $54 million on initial repair and upgrade, and then
another $93 million additional repair and upgrade. We still have ships 24
years old and obsolete. (Daily Telegraph 11/9/98).
Joint Control
Prior to joint control there was healthy rivalry between the services. They
all had aircraft, boats and guns. If any one service was infiltrated the
others were still effective. Today they have all been infiltrated through
the joint control and civilianisation. Asians and aliens are given key jobs
above the uniformed branches.
ASIO & ASIS
Hindsight reveals that a suspected KGB spy from MI5 actually set up and
staffed our security services. One can only guess at the key men he chose.
This is dealt with in full on Page 12
Training the Enemy
I have video footage of Mr Sambawaga (Indonesian Spokesman and politician
bragging that they will ATTACK and, in the same footage Ali Alitas
(Indonesian Minister for Foreign Affairs) is saying that Mr Sambawaga
reflects the views of the Indonesian people and the parliament. We are
training Indonesian troops at Canungra our Jungle Warfare Centre so they
know all of our tactics. We bring them out here on joint exercises so they
get to see every aspect of our army, navy and air force. This is treason.
Beach Heads/Airfields
The government has permitted Indonesia to acquire cattle stations with night
landing strip facilities. Planes fly in and out without passing through
Australian customs. They can and do (according to informants) fly in drugs
and guns and take out exitic birds and reptiles. They overfly the north of
Australia at will practicing "crosswind" landings as far south as Carnarvon.
Why don't they practice in Indonesia, no crosswinds?
Trucks
We had hundreds of military trucks from Asia standing on RAAF bases when
they came out here for an exercise. The trucks were here long after the
exercise and may be still here.WHY? There was an outbreak of Anthrax in the
area, was that coinciodence?
Foreign Pilots
According to the government we can't get enough Australians to train as
pilots for the RAAF so we are now training Singaporean, Malay and Indonesian
pilots to fly OUR aircraft. The government does not tell the truth. Our
universities are full of Aussies who would give their eye teeth to be jet
pilots.
In the event of a war with Asia which way would these pilots shoot and how
hard would they fight for us?
Aborigine/Indonesian Brothers
The Indonesians claim our fishing beds and northern islands on the grounds
that they intermarried with Aborigines so they are indiginous Australians
with more title to the north than any of us from of European descent. They
were using dugouts until the Dutch arrived.
Asians are training and arming militant Aborigines in the north. Peter
Sawyer, in Inside News, published details of a shipment of AK47s allegedly
imported by Fuller Firearms and allegedly stored in Bondies warehouses. I
challenged Peter to show me proof. He pulled out photos of pallets and weigh
bills showing that the arms originated in Russia. That was in 1988.
Some fear the Indonesians would use the Aborigines and then shoot them like
dogs. Any Aborigine thinking of joining his black brothers should do a quick
educational trip to West New Guinea. If he gets back he will be wiser.
Already Gone
Indonesia in 1993 took our oilfields south of the Timor Trench (the border
by international law). These were worth $250 billion ($85,000 per Australian
family). In 1997 they took at least as much again (the new border is called
the Economic Exclusion Zone). There was a massive Indonesian buy out of our
assets on Christmas Island. Now they claim that along with the continental
shelf the size of Tasmania.
To get involved in a war all one needs to do is show a bully nation that you
are too timid to resist their first, second or third land grab.
How to deter Indonesia
Janes, the leading authority on world conflict says that Australia WILL be
invaded.
If we gave the West New Guinea natives a thousand sniper rifles they would
take revenge for the genocide there.
Crimtrak
The government has, through Interpol, provided computer access to the name,
address, driver licence and personal particulars of every gun owner,
political writer, editor and activist in Australia so they can be rounded up
in the event of invasion and occupation.
The army against us
The army is training in urban clearance, and suppression and internment of
civilians. We are the civilians. In the fifties we were taught crowd
control. We could shoot if our life, the life of a fellow soldier or a
civilian was threatened. I have restricted documents showing that the army
are authorised to shoot civilians without such requirements. They can
execute without resort to a trial.
Treaties
The ALP/DEM/LIB/NAT/GREENS have signed or are signing treaties that we will
not use gas, nuclear, biological, chemical, laser, mines, incendiaries or
booby traps. They do not say what we are allowed to use or how we could
defend ourselves.
Threats
Our own politicians pose the most serious threat to our country. We have no
idea which of them are loyal to the Fabians, the New World Order, the
Financiers or to themselves. They are certainly not loyal to Australia. They
have pursued a policy of giving preference to Asian and Aliens in all of the
public service establishments. It is hard to phone a government office in
Sydney, Melbourne or Brisbane, and find someone who can talk anything but
stilted English.
The Brisbane Line
In World War II an infamous decision was made to abandon Queensland to the
Japanese. The southern cowards did not tell Queenslanders so they could arm
and fight as guerillas. On the contrary, they pleaded with Queenslanders to
hand in their guns so the army could defend Australia.
All of this was long after the allies knew that the Japanese were depraved
murderers who enjoyed a bit of fun making their victims form details to dig
holes. The next detail buried the first detail up to their necks and then
covered the heads with earth so the victims died a slow horrible death to
provided entertainment.
Other games included tying captured prisoners hand and foot and using the
prisoner for bayonet practice, once again to provide entertainment. (Refer
photos "Knights of Bushido" by Lord Russell.)
Left alone Queenslanders would have made invasion or occupation by the
Japanese an experience the Japs would not have enjoyed. Disarmed they would
have been "entertainment". That is the good news.
The Newcastle Line
A leaked document revealed the Australian Defence Strategy which planned to
defend only south from Newcastle to Adelaide. The Defence Department
admitted the leaked document was genuine. (The Sunday Age, 28 June 1992).
Guess what - the ALP/DEM/LIB/NAT/GREENS have a plan to totally disarm ALL
Australians. Sound familiar?
Refugees
The New World Order could organise an invasion of Australia, by a million
Chinese, simply by dumping the boat people who would flee the fanatical
Muslims in Indonesia. The Indonesians killed 250,000 Chinese in a couple of
days in 1965.
Peaceful Occupation
If the Indonesians started ferrying hundreds of thousands of civilian women
and children into the north what could we do? There is no such thing as
peaceful invasion. The aim is the same - eventual displacement, suppression
and eventual slaughter. We are talking about your inevitable fate if you
don't do something.
Threats
China and Indonesia agreed in 1964 that everything north of the Philippines
belonged to China and everything south of the Philippines belonged to
Indonesia. Were you ever asked?
Laser
The Chinese have been selling the Norinco Laser Death Ray for years. The USA
kindly gave them the technology. I published photos in an earlier edition.
It is the size of a Vickers machine gun and water cooled. It isn't much good
as a death ray but it totally and permanently blinds every soldier it hits.
What do you think an invader would do with 50,000 blind Australian soldiers?
Japan
Japan is reemerging as a potential threat. They admit to spending $56
billion a year on defence. Much of their military expenditure is disguised
as legitimate civilian expenses. They are only peace loving when they are
under very close scrutiny.
They have an elite officer corps that could create an invasion size army, in
addition to the 200,000 they already have, in a matter of months. They have
nuclear subs galore, 280 state-of-the-art tanks, 63 combat ships, 170
armoured fighting vehicles, 150 new helicopters, 386 combat aircraft, three
surface to air missile battalions and a large women's army.
One good night on the saki and it is on again. Little wonder it was the Japs
who moved the motion to disarm civilians in Australia. That is where Howard
got his orders from. (Ninth UN Congress, Cairo, Egypt 29th April - 8th May
1995). Little wonder the Japanese Prime Minister thanked John Howard for
initiating the program to disarm Australian civilians (Northern Daily Leader
19/9/97).
Who will Rescue us?
The US may not. They allowed Timor and West Irian to go into Indonesia's
tender mercy. A bit of genocide here and there doesn't seem to worry the
Americans much. A merchant seaman told me that he was in West Irian and
noticed the farmers were all Indonesians. He asked where the locals were.
The Commandant simply held his hand low, as though he had a pistol and was
shooting a dog in the head.
The Map
I have had airline pilots, Barrier Reef marine pilots, letter-to-the-editor,
and teachers who taught in Indonesia etc. All say they have seen maps
showing this as part of Indonesia.
In 1976 army personnel from Bendigo (Army Cartographic Unit) told me that
they had drawn maps for Indonesia showing Australia as part of Indonesia. I
wrote to the Minister for Defence and he would not deny that.
The Governor General
He has betrayed us and the Australian Constitution by handing control of the
military over to the politicians. That is illegal. Our forefathers made
specific instructions that was never to be. Any nation that allows the
politicians to control the police and the military is in deep trouble.
If you hear Howard talk of "his government" sending troops to Iraq, just be
aware, if he does any act which presumes control of the armed services he
risks a long jail term. Any GG who give tacit support to the subversion of
our Constitution (Para 68) is in similar trouble. You must ask yourself WHY
do these men HAVE to subvert OUR laws? They know it is treason. What
incentive drives them?
Janes
The foremost authority on defence, war, weapons and politics has forecast
that Australia will be invaded. Perhaps Janes have been listening to the
hundreds of Indonesians who brag that this country is theirs and they ARE
coming to get it.
Senior Officers
The best officers in all of the armed services have been pushed aside to
make room for the new breed of academic airheads who have been anointed with
defence degrees and diplomas by the lunatic socialist left ratbags who pass
as professors in the Defence Academy. The men who knew how to storm a hill
and not lose their men have been replaced with people loyal to anyone but
Australia.
Suggested Immediate Remedial Action
We are on our own and we should be capable of reasonable defence against
attack. We need a big bang or similar modern weapon. The only thing that
will put 200,000 Indonesians or Japanese back on their own territory is the
fear that their territory will be hit real hard. That fact that our leaders
do not want us to have adequate defence is a worry.
In a worst case scenario where we are actually invaded regulars are no use
against insurmountable odds. Guerillas are the only successful force capable
of stopping total takeover. Guerillas NEVER surrender totally but to have a
fighting chance they need expert training and survival skills such as that
available at Canungra.
It is a statistical fact that it takes about ten to twelve times as many
regulars to beat a force of guerillas who only fight when and where it suits
them. With 600,000 irregulars an invader would need 6,000,000 troops to take
Australia. That is provided the guerillas have appropriate and adequate
arms. That will never be while we have traitors in Canberra.
Given that Janes predicts we will be invaded one would think the government
would take some steps to create a Swiss style defence system. They don't.
WHY?
Oz Guerillas - Swiss Style
Our guerilla force would need to be dispersed and mobile. Trail bikes are
the go. One soldier on a trail bike, with a suitcase size antitank missile
is a hard target to hit and very cheap. He can still knock out a multi
million dollar tank. Another soldier with a .5cal sniper rifle can drop a
helicopter. The guerillas would need night vision.
Side Effects
The presence of 600,000 armed civilians in a community would be incredible.
Home invasion would drop to almost zero. Armed robbery would almost cease.
We would all be safer. This is what has happened in Switzerland where there
are 628,000 armed civilians.
We can get 600,000 AK57 rifles, boxed, and complete with cleaning kits for
$50 each. We could make Australia invasion proof for $30 million, a
thirtieth of what we gave Indonesia to ease their economic crisis. The
ALP/DEM/LIB/NAT/GREENS will make sure this does not happen. They are
traitors or fools.
The RAAF
We bought aircraft that require large fixed landing strips. These are good
in a country like the USA but no use to a country like Australia. We needed
aircraft that could take off from a cattle station or a beef road. They have
been available and cheap for well over 20 years. The Harrier Jump Jet is
capable of vertical/short takeoff and landing. Wrong choices are not
accidents. I used to think it was stupidity at the top. It is not stupidity.
Coastal Radar
We could have bought simple portable radars the size of a small caravan with
a range of 250 miles instead we bought monstrous fixed equipment worth
megadollars.
We wasted millions putting in fire protection systems that rang warning
bells for a few seconds then flooded the building with poisonous fire
suppressant gas. A radar is less prone to fire and has better fault
protection circuits than your TV.
We paid multi millions to force the manufacturer to replace the transmitter
output valve with a toy valve. This necessitated rewriting the handbooks and
made it a special order (not off the shelf). More big money. This reduced
that area covered by the radar from 785,000 square miles to 196,000 square
miles. The original radar (with one additional site) would have given
Australia total east coast cover. For much more money we got a quarter of
that cover. I see this as commercial corruption and deliberate defence
sabotage.
The Mirage and F-111
We bought aircraft designed to deliver nuclear warheads then armed them with
iron bombs designed to destroy wooden bridges. The aircraft were not suited
for this task. What good would the Mirage or F-111 be against the Chinese,
Japanese or Indonesians? We found what put the Japs back in their box and it
made a big flash and a big bang. Nothing else works.
What Choice?
We either arm or suffer invasion. Being armed is what deters greedy
invaders. If well armed, and protected by 600,000 guerillas, we would be too
tough to be tempting. We could be safe, that is if the
ALP/DEM/LIB/NAT/GREENS were on our side. They are not.
Do Something
It is your children who will be bayonet bait if we are overrun. It is your
children or grand children who will be baby bayonet kebabs. That is reality.
We do not live in a very nice world and it will not change just because some
people choose to stick their heads in the sand. You can get this article on
defence discussed in your clubs, unions, RSL, league, society etc. You might
just wake enough apathetic Australians to the danger they face to turn the
tide in our favour.
High Treason
The Australian government sent our troops to Vietnam and Korea knowing full
well that they were serving under a Soviet commander who had to give
approval before any air, ground or sea strike could be initiated against the
communists. The communists knew in advance where when and how we would
attack and were well prepared to slaughter our young soldiers.
Why so? The United Nations "Charter" stipulates that this has to be so
forever. Who would agree to such treason?
"EACH ONE OF US THAT SERVED IN KOREA OR VIETNAM. SERVED UNDER THE TOTAL
COMMAND OF A SOVIET GENERAL!!" Here are the names of the Soviets and the
dates they served as "Under-Secretary" of the Security Council of the United
Nations, thus, the highest military commander of all United Nations fighting
forces anywhere in the world .......... including all military forces of the
United States. These names and information were obtained from the United
Nations yearbooks up to 1983.
Year Soviet General's Name
1946-49 Arkady Alexandrovich Sobolev
1949-53 Constantine E. Zinchenko
1953-54 Ilya S. Tehernychev
1955-57 Dragoslav Protich
1958-59 Antoly Dobrynin
1960-62 George Petrovich Arkadev
1962-63 Eugeney D. Kiselev
1963-64 Valdimir Paulovich Suslov
1965-67 Alexei Efremovitch Nesterenko
1968-73 Leonid N. Kutakov
1973-78 Arkady N. Shevchenko
1978-80 Mikhail D. Sytenko
1981-83 Viacheslav A. Ustinov
(Source: TREASON IN HIGH PLACES by Lt. Col. F.P. "Bud" Farrell, U.S.A.F
Ret.)
The Enemy Within
The major parties have an agenda to populate Darwin with Indonesians, a ploy
that would give us a fifth column in the event of war. This plan may well be
forced on government by a United Nations agenda. There is no doubt that
Indonesians are welcome and well educated British and South Africans fleeing
mad Marxist blacks are not. Indonesian is a compulsory second language in
the NT. Why? There were very few Indonesians there before the
"multicultural" agenda.
The Handicap
There is no way you will get the major parties to introduce effective
defence to Australia. They have an agenda. That agenda requires that we be
totally disarmed. The Liberals signed it in 1981. The ALP ratified it in
1983. It was passed into Australian law in 1984. It was hidden in the Anti
Discrimination Act. All fluffy talk by the various defence ministers is a
blind to keep you quiet while they proceed with their agenda. I don't know
why. YOU ask them WHY.
UPDATE
Add to this the recent treason that Singapore is buying our defence
satellite which they will graciously lease back to us AT A PRICE.
Warrant Officer A R (Tony) Pitt, RAAF, Retired. Technical
Instructor/Computer Systems Officer/Technical Writer/Administrator in Radio,
Radar, Navigation Aids
IMMEDIATE ACTION
If you want to save your own life and that of your children you will send
(by post, fax and internet) the following letter, and you will pass on tens
or hundreds of copies of this paper on defence to all who might rally to
save their country.
TO MESSRS:
John Howard,
Kim Beazley &
Tim Fischer
C/o Parliament House
Canberra ACT 2600
and
................................ Member for .........................
Dear Sir/Madam
We the people, are aware of what the major parties have done to our defence
forces as outlined on pages 6-9 of National Interest. We know that Janes and
other world authorities predict that Australia WILL be invaded in the not
too distant future.
We require that you immediately arm 600,000 civilians as a Ready Reserve.
This is the minimum force which could avert invasion.
As a first step you must call up every man and women, between 18 and 55 who
is willing to defend Australia. Those found suitable should be trained
forthwith, making full use of the expertise of serving and retired Army,
Navy, Air Force, police and private security personnel as leaders and
instructors.
This is a matter of national crisis and it should be dealt with in the first
sitting of parliament hereafter.
We also require that you show cause for trying to overturn and disobey the
Bill of Rights 1688 which guarantees our right to defend ourselves.
We are aware that the Bill of Rights was imported into Australian law as an
entrenched law, one that could not be ignored, amended or repealed, one that
was put there to limit the powers of the Parliament and restrict such
flagrant breaches of our inherited rights.
We require that you admit that you have no power to make any laws abrogating
the Bill of Rights, and that any such laws, even those given royal assent by
any of the Governors or the Governor Generals are of NO EFFECT.
.................................
Name ..............................................
Address ..............................................
City ..............................................
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obvious holes but I don't have either the time or the inclination.
Clearly, Tony Pitt is simply trying to use the old conspiracy theory
that the government is disarming us to pave the way for an invasion to
justify his supposed right to own an assault rifle. His knowledge of
defence matters is very thin, and much of what he says is erroneous
and based on rumour or innuendo, rather than identifiable fact. He is
also clearly a racist.
JD
> http://dkd.net/freedom/defenc99.html
Definitely more than one screw loose. And a racist to boot...
iCentral
substance to it.
He was teh man on teh ground. An ex WO.
Yet you mock his contribution.
He was there - you weren't.
Did you read that in a text book ?
What if he's on the money ?
How would you know, without gambling the country.
Are we simply waiting to see what happens next ?
Are we getting ready to draw up the Brisbane Line again ?
troy
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Pits
"Black Rat" <blac...@localhost.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 08:56:26 +1000, "iCentral"
> <icen...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>
> >I think the guy wouldn't have weasted his time writing it if there wasn't
> >substance to it.
>
> doesn't mean that it has substance, or is accurate.
>
> >He was teh man on teh ground. An ex WO.
> >
> >Yet you mock his contribution.
>
> countered certain claims that were blatantly factually correct. He
> wasn't 'on the ground' when it comes to the subjects he discuss's
>
> For example: Steyr's melting
>
> >
> >He was there - you weren't.
>
> who has spent his career working in radar and related fields. If his
> post was about that subject I would give it more creedance, but its
> not. Please note, I'm not casting doubt on RAAFies, or on tradies to
> have thoughs or ideas on subjects outside their trade. But for you to
> say 'he was there' and that I 'wasn't' is crap. I will put my
> experience in these areas against his any day.
> >
> >Did you read that in a text book ?
>
> >
> >What if he's on the money ?
>
>
> >How would you know, without gambling the country.
>
> experience. He has applied rascist fear, vitriol and ill-informed half
> arsed opinion to come up with simplistic thoughts that border on the
> paranoid delusional.
>
That would be my reading of it also .
Funny how all of a sudden this group is getting
nebulous and subtle racist posts ?
iCentral
"Black Rat" <blac...@localhost.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 08:56:26 +1000, "iCentral"
> <icen...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>
> >I think the guy wouldn't have weasted his time writing it if there wasn't
> >substance to it.
>
> Just because someone spent a lot of time on preparing something,
> doesn't mean that it has substance, or is accurate.
>
> >He was teh man on teh ground. An ex WO.
> >
> >Yet you mock his contribution.
>
> In part, but I also provided a degree of actual analysis, and
> countered certain claims that were blatantly factually correct. He
> wasn't 'on the ground' when it comes to the subjects he discuss's
>
> For example: Steyr's melting
I remember doing the trials for the steyr at 6 in 90-91.
We received a directive that the weapon was not to be fired for more than
two magazines on automatic - because it was melting.
My guess is he was serving at that time.
>
> >
> >He was there - you weren't.
>
> Where was he? I've read his Bio, he is a RAAF electronics technician
> who has spent his career working in radar and related fields. If his
> post was about that subject I would give it more creedance, but its
> not. Please note, I'm not casting doubt on RAAFies, or on tradies to
> have thoughs or ideas on subjects outside their trade. But for you to
> say 'he was there' and that I 'wasn't' is crap. I will put my
> experience in these areas against his any day.
Agreed. I retract the statement.
> >Did you read that in a text book ?
>
> Did I read what in a text book?
> >
> >What if he's on the money ?
>
> But he isn't.
I think he has his own truth. To disregard it could be disadvantageous.
> >How would you know, without gambling the country.
>
> By applying rational though and sound analysis combined with
> experience. He has applied rascist fear, vitriol and ill-informed half
> arsed opinion to come up with simplistic thoughts that border on the
> paranoid delusional.
>
I hear you. I don't agree but that's no biggie.
Again thanks for replying.
Brash
nouse. Most of them prefer not to play with guns at all if they can avoid
it. That's another reason why the RAAF has ADGs.
--
"Muslims must present non-Muslims with the three choices of Sura.
9:29 of the [Quran]: conversion, submission with second-class
status under Islamic rule, or death."
"Black Rat" <blac...@localhost.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 08:56:26 +1000, "iCentral"
> <icen...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>
> >I think the guy wouldn't have weasted his time writing it if there wasn't
> >substance to it.
>
> Just because someone spent a lot of time on preparing something,
> doesn't mean that it has substance, or is accurate.
>
> >He was teh man on teh ground. An ex WO.
> >
> >Yet you mock his contribution.
>
> In part, but I also provided a degree of actual analysis, and
> countered certain claims that were blatantly factually correct. He
> wasn't 'on the ground' when it comes to the subjects he discuss's
>
> For example: Steyr's melting
>
> >
> >He was there - you weren't.
>
> Where was he? I've read his Bio, he is a RAAF electronics technician
> who has spent his career working in radar and related fields. If his
> post was about that subject I would give it more creedance, but its
> not. Please note, I'm not casting doubt on RAAFies, or on tradies to
> have thoughs or ideas on subjects outside their trade. But for you to
> say 'he was there' and that I 'wasn't' is crap. I will put my
> experience in these areas against his any day.
> >
> >Did you read that in a text book ?
>
> Did I read what in a text book?
> >
> >What if he's on the money ?
>
> But he isn't.
>
> >How would you know, without gambling the country.
>
iCentral
"Brash" <troop...@hotmail.SPAM> wrote in message
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> I find myself agreeing with you Rat. Techos aren't renowned for tactical
> nouse. Most of them prefer not to play with guns at all if they can avoid
> it. That's another reason why the RAAF has ADGs.
>
Not your average Techo perhaps ?
troy
iCentral
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> On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 22:50:56 +1000, "iCentral"
> <icen...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Brash" <troop...@hotmail.SPAM> wrote in message
> >news:3fcf0fd4$0$20395$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
> >> I find myself agreeing with you Rat. Techos aren't renowned for
tactical
> >> nouse. Most of them prefer not to play with guns at all if they can
avoid
> >> it. That's another reason why the RAAF has ADGs.
> >>
> >Agreed Brash but I think this guy is passionate.
> >Not your average Techo perhaps ?
> >
> >troy
>
>
> although the army techs are probably more tactically adept and aware
> than the RAAF (and this is not an interservice flame, but a function
> of the way the two services operate and train their technical trades.)
>
> My point was more that Troy was saying that this guy had 'been there',
> yet when I read his career it appeared he hadn't been anywhere.
>
> And I agree Troy, he is passionate, which is generally a good thing,
> but at the end of the day, his arguments are simplistic, and often
> based on false information.
>
>
> >That's another reason why the RAAF has ADGs.
>
> into the wild...tried to talk some of them into changing over, but to
> no avail. They already think they are SF...Good luck with them!
>
> Rat.
lol.
Brash, do you see the point he's making ?
Correct me if I'm wrong but do these adgs develop an ego that would not be
tolerated in the Army ?
Why I ask is that I think egos are not to the betterment of a team.
I'm convinced they play an important role or at least a specialised one but
at what cost ?
troy
Brash
>
> "Brash" <troop...@hotmail.SPAM> wrote in message
> news:3fcf0fd4$0$20395$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
> > I find myself agreeing with you Rat. Techos aren't renowned for tactical
> > nouse. Most of them prefer not to play with guns at all if they can
avoid
> > it. That's another reason why the RAAF has ADGs.
> >
> Agreed Brash but I think this guy is passionate.
> Not your average Techo perhaps ?
>
> troy
That's true. In my experience, they don't take a whole lot of interest in
matters strategic or tactical. Until recently, most of them never believed
they'd be sent overseas (with the exception of the combat comms guys).
Brash
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> On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 22:50:56 +1000, "iCentral"
> <icen...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>
> >
> >news:3fcf0fd4$0$20395$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
> >> I find myself agreeing with you Rat. Techos aren't renowned for
tactical
> >> nouse. Most of them prefer not to play with guns at all if they can
avoid
> >> it. That's another reason why the RAAF has ADGs.
> >>
> >Agreed Brash but I think this guy is passionate.
> >Not your average Techo perhaps ?
> >
> >troy
>
>
> although the army techs are probably more tactically adept and aware
> than the RAAF (and this is not an interservice flame, but a function
> of the way the two services operate and train their technical trades.)
Fully agree.
> My point was more that Troy was saying that this guy had 'been there',
> yet when I read his career it appeared he hadn't been anywhere.
>
> And I agree Troy, he is passionate, which is generally a good thing,
> but at the end of the day, his arguments are simplistic, and often
> based on false information.
I concur.
>
>
> >That's another reason why the RAAF has ADGs.
>
> Brash, I'm about to release a few more newly graduated ADG officers
> into the wild...tried to talk some of them into changing over, but to
> no avail. They already think they are SF...Good luck with them!
Jeez. I just love the new ones. (Not). Can they actually identify Air Force
ranks yet? I had a bograt once that asked me "why there are so many Lance
Corporals in the Company and hardly any Privates". *rolls eyes*
--
"Muslims must present non-Muslims with the three choices of Sura.
9:29 of the [Quran]: conversion, submission with second-class
status under Islamic rule, or death."
>
> Rat.
Brash
> > into the wild...tried to talk some of them into changing over, but to
> > no avail. They already think they are SF...Good luck with them!
> >
> > Rat.
>
> lol.
>
> Brash, do you see the point he's making ?
>
> Correct me if I'm wrong but do these adgs develop an ego that would not be
> tolerated in the Army ?
And infantrymen don't have egos? Oh, are you saying its okay for them
"because they're infantry and they earned it".
> Why I ask is that I think egos are not to the betterment of a team.
You'll probably find its a defence mechanism developed over their 18 months
at Duntroon as a counter to the continual anti-RAAF comments from their
class mates. Now where does that fit in with your highly-valued team ethos?
As the Rat points out, they can't have been too bad because he tried to get
them to swap service. Some Ground Defence Officers and ADGs going through
Duntroon do very well. Even winning the Sword of Honour on at least one
occasion. Yet, the RAAF Ensign is displayed in a "lesser" position on the
wall of HQ RMC during grad parades than the flags of other nation's armies.
> I'm convinced they play an important role or at least a specialised one
but
> at what cost ?
Cost to what/whom?
--
"Muslims must present non-Muslims with the three choices of Sura.
9:29 of the [Quran]: conversion, submission with second-class
status under Islamic rule, or death."
>
> troy
>
>
Sunny
"Brash" <troop...@hotmail.SPAM> wrote in message
<snip>
> As the Rat points out, they can't have been too bad because he tried to
get
> them to swap service. Some Ground Defence Officers and ADGs going through
> Duntroon do very well. Even winning the Sword of Honour on at least one
> occasion. Yet, the RAAF Ensign is displayed in a "lesser" position on the
> wall of HQ RMC during grad parades than the flags of other nation's
armies.
Ahem, "Colours" not flags, and Queens/Regimental Colours take precedence
over Guidons/Ensigns :-)
Brash
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Mate, I think I know the difference between Colours and flags, having been
an escort to various Queen's Colours a few times. I'm talking about the
flags (by that I mean flags) they stick on the exterior wall of HQ RMC
during Grad parades. The Colours are on the parade ground. The RAAF Ensign
gets slotted in a hole in the wall a few places removed from the ANF with
other countries flags taking precedence. This is just another example that
speaks volumes about the attitude of the Army towards the Air Force. The
positioning of the flags and the Ensign infers that the RAAF is lower down
the food chain than the Malaysian Army. As long as this type of
"racism/tribalism/service-ism" is allowed to continue there will always be a
less-than-brotherly relationship.
Did they think that Air Force officers and SNCOs wouldn't notice where the
Ensign was positioned and not be offended?
Brash
> On Fri, 5 Dec 2003 16:37:22 +1100, "Brash" <troop...@hotmail.SPAM>
> wrote:
>
> >You'll probably find its a defence mechanism developed over their 18
months
> >at Duntroon as a counter to the continual anti-RAAF comments from their
> >class mates. Now where does that fit in with your highly-valued team
ethos?
>
> they don't think are up to scratch, (and thats not a bad thing as long
> as the staff keep an eye on it, if a cadet can't hack peer scrutiny,
> how will he stand up to his soldiers?)
I hear what you're saying. But it becomes a death of a thousand cuts. A few
snicks here and there are one thing, but you start to bleed after a while. I
don't know if you were there at the time, or were privy to it later, but
there was one incident where one of the guys walked into a lecture room and
saw something derogatory about RAAF on the whyteboard. He quietly walked to
the front of the room, cleaned the board, turned to those assembled and said
something along the lines of "would the cocksucker who wrote that kindly
step forward and put his theory to the test?" (The remark was something
along the lines of RAAF all being weak as piss). Unsurprisingly, the
offender hadn't the balls to match words with deeds.
> So, they will make anti-raaf remarks etc, but for most of them, if
> they can do the job out field, and on TEWTS, then the 'jibes' don't
> really have barbs in them.
As I said, taken in isolation, fine. But when you're hearing it like a
scratched record..........
>
> >As the Rat points out, they can't have been too bad because he tried to
get
> >them to swap service.
>
> Nah, I didn't really. Well, in the past I did try because I felt one
> wasn't temperamentally suited. He certainly didn't have the goods for
> any of the arms corps, and I felt he wasn't suited to being an ADG
> either, but that wasn't service rivalry, that was in the interests of
> the service and the individual.
Fair enough. And just in the interests of accuracy, they are "Ground Defence
Officers". ADGs are airmen (Other Ranks).
>
> >Some Ground Defence Officers and ADGs going through
> >Duntroon do very well. Even winning the Sword of Honour on at least one
> >occasion.
>
> Indeed.
One of his mates was a runner-up, Company Commander, something along those
lines?
> >Yet, the RAAF Ensign is displayed in a "lesser" position on the
> >wall of HQ RMC during grad parades than the flags of other nation's
armies.
>
> Hmm, there is a Grad on Tuesday...I'll look. Never noticed.
Last one I attended, it was positioned down the end to the right as you look
at the building from the parade ground.
Brash
> On Fri, 5 Dec 2003 16:28:07 +1100, "Brash" <troop...@hotmail.SPAM>
> wrote:
>
> >> >That's another reason why the RAAF has ADGs.
> >>
> >> Brash, I'm about to release a few more newly graduated ADG officers
> >> into the wild...tried to talk some of them into changing over, but to
> >> no avail. They already think they are SF...Good luck with them!
> >
> >Jeez. I just love the new ones. (Not). Can they actually identify Air
Force
> >ranks yet? I had a bograt once that asked me "why there are so many Lance
> >Corporals in the Company and hardly any Privates". *rolls eyes*
>
> mainly because of the amount of ADFA cadets.
Perhaps its improving. But I was always pissed off that the 18 week RAAF
Officer course can find the time to teach ADF badges of rank but the 18
month RMC course couldn't. Has this changed? Or is it still only the ADFA
brats that can identify Navy and Air Force ranks? Its pretty sad when your
new Flight Commander can't tell the difference between an LAC and a Lance
Corporal, or what an Air Commodore looks like.
>But there are RAAF
> instructor(s) on staff. Only one at the moment, and there hasn't been
> any NCO's for a while (if ever), which I think is a mistake.
To my knowledge, there never has. There used to be 3 ADG SGTs and a Flight
Sergeant at ADFA (2 SGTs in Cadet Sqns, 1 in Field Training. The FSGT was an
SSM). These days there is only 1 ADG SGT at ADFA and he's in Field Training
Wing (or whatever they're calling it this week).
> Not only would it be beneficial from the ADG cadets (and the army) but
> it would also give the ADG's a great developmental posting.
I wouldn't hurt. I don't know how you'd go finding anyone willing to do it
though.
> You may be interested to know that the RAAF ADG at RMC was the Package
> Master for Security Operations last year (and that isn't security as
> in gate keeping, but what some would know as 'Low Level' ops)
Good to hear.
JD
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> "Sunny" <womba...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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>> Ahem, "Colours" not flags, and Queens/Regimental Colours take precedence
>> over Guidons/Ensigns :-)
>
> Mate, I think I know the difference between Colours and flags, having been
> an escort to various Queen's Colours a few times. I'm talking about the
> flags (by that I mean flags) they stick on the exterior wall of HQ RMC
> during Grad parades. The Colours are on the parade ground. The RAAF Ensign
> gets slotted in a hole in the wall a few places removed from the ANF with
> other countries flags taking precedence. This is just another example that
> speaks volumes about the attitude of the Army towards the Air Force. The
> positioning of the flags and the Ensign infers that the RAAF is lower down
> the food chain than the Malaysian Army.
No, it recognises *Malaysia*, not their army or air force...
Brash
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What Malaysian students, other than the Malaysian Army, attend RMC?
Either way, putting other country's flags ahead of the blue ensign don't
seem right to me.
--
"The code of the warrior class has room for fallibility but there is no room
for a lack of integrity."
>
>