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Barry OGrady
May 14, 2013, 2:16:27 AM5/14/13
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOPJXCDsMLI
Published on 13 Jan 2013
BBC One - 13 January 2013
Nicky Campbell presides over a special debate recorded at the Harris
Academy in Peckham, asking just one Big Question: Is it time for all
religions to accept evolution as fact?
Amongst those taking part are: Matt Ridley, author of Genome; the
geneticist, Professor Steve Jones; Rev Greg Haslam, senior pastor at
Westminster Chapel; Dr Steve Lloyd from Biblical Creation Ministries;
Inayat Bunglawala, chair of Muslims4UK; Rev Dr Malcolm Brown, director
of mission and public affairs of the Church of England; Dr Robert J
Asher, a paleontoloist from Cambridge University; the sociologist
Professor Linda Woodhead from Lancaster University; Imam Abdullah
Hasan from Neeli Mosque and Islamic Centre; Professor Steve Fuller,
sociologist, Warwick University; Mohamed Ali Harrath, founder of The
Islam Channel; Pastor Marjorie Esomowie, Triumphant Church
International; and Adam Deen, executive director of the Deen
Institute.
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Creationists won't say how an intelligent designer
originated without intelligent design
Published on 13 Jan 2013
BBC One - 13 January 2013
Nicky Campbell presides over a special debate recorded at the Harris
Academy in Peckham, asking just one Big Question: Is it time for all
religions to accept evolution as fact?
Amongst those taking part are: Matt Ridley, author of Genome; the
geneticist, Professor Steve Jones; Rev Greg Haslam, senior pastor at
Westminster Chapel; Dr Steve Lloyd from Biblical Creation Ministries;
Inayat Bunglawala, chair of Muslims4UK; Rev Dr Malcolm Brown, director
of mission and public affairs of the Church of England; Dr Robert J
Asher, a paleontoloist from Cambridge University; the sociologist
Professor Linda Woodhead from Lancaster University; Imam Abdullah
Hasan from Neeli Mosque and Islamic Centre; Professor Steve Fuller,
sociologist, Warwick University; Mohamed Ali Harrath, founder of The
Islam Channel; Pastor Marjorie Esomowie, Triumphant Church
International; and Adam Deen, executive director of the Deen
Institute.
===========
Creationists won't say how an intelligent designer
originated without intelligent design
gladys swager
May 14, 2013, 2:48:43 AM5/14/13
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> Creationists won't say how an intelligent designer originated without
> intelligent design
That is not of importance in this issue.
> intelligent design
it seems to me that the Evolutionists/Atheists are out to circumvent the issue.
The Atheists want to close off the issue to suit themselves.
The Evolutionists may know that they are beaten on the issue of
Hoe did nobody cause somebody to come from nothing eons ago?
Atheists must answer that one question and if they can't....
they are a'goners.
They are a'goners now. Life comes from life....
God Almighty is and had always been that life....Life can't come from non-life.
You are beaten, Barry, at your little games.
But I would think you might go on with your wriggling and scheming
until you are 'black and blue in the face'.
What came first - the chicken or the egg....as the chicken needs to lay the egg,
obviously the chicken comes before the egg....
and how did the chicken come before the egg???
God created it. Creation wins hands down....
and with apologies, farm-girl that I used to be....
it has taken me all this time to suddenly have the realisation.
God created the chicken...in order to lay the first egg...
which when fertilisation has taken place by a male chicken (also created by God)
in about three weeks a fluffy chicken will emerge from the egg.
God created the chicken male and female to act in such a way that
there will be offspring to continue the family of chickens. QED
Apologies that the farm-girl has taken so long to think it through.
Barry OGrady
May 14, 2013, 4:13:15 AM5/14/13
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On Mon, 13 May 2013 23:48:43 -0700 (PDT), gladys swager
<gsw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Tuesday, May 14, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOPJXCDsMLI
>> Published on 13 Jan 2013 BBC One - 13 January 2013
>>
>> Nicky Campbell presides over a special debate recorded at the Harris
>> Academy in Peckham, asking just one Big Question:
>
>>Is it time for all religions to accept evolution as fact?
>
>> Amongst those taking part are: Matt Ridley, author of Genome; the
>> geneticist, Professor Steve Jones; Rev Greg Haslam, senior pastor at
>> Westminster Chapel; Dr Steve Lloyd from Biblical Creation Ministries;
>> Inayat Bunglawala, chair of Muslims4UK; Rev Dr Malcolm Brown, director
>> of mission and public affairs of the Church of England; Dr Robert J
>> Asher, a paleontoloist from Cambridge University; the sociologist
>> Professor Linda Woodhead from Lancaster University; Imam Abdullah
>> Hasan from Neeli Mosque and Islamic Centre; Professor Steve Fuller,
>> sociologist, Warwick University; Mohamed Ali Harrath, founder of The
>> Islam Channel; Pastor Marjorie Esomowie, Triumphant Church
>> International; and Adam Deen, executive director of the Deen Institute.
>>
>> Creationists won't say how an intelligent designer originated without
>> intelligent design
>
>That is not of importance in this issue.
It is vital to the issue. Without the answer creation is dead
<gsw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Tuesday, May 14, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOPJXCDsMLI
>> Published on 13 Jan 2013 BBC One - 13 January 2013
>>
>> Nicky Campbell presides over a special debate recorded at the Harris
>> Academy in Peckham, asking just one Big Question:
>
>>Is it time for all religions to accept evolution as fact?
>
>> Amongst those taking part are: Matt Ridley, author of Genome; the
>> geneticist, Professor Steve Jones; Rev Greg Haslam, senior pastor at
>> Westminster Chapel; Dr Steve Lloyd from Biblical Creation Ministries;
>> Inayat Bunglawala, chair of Muslims4UK; Rev Dr Malcolm Brown, director
>> of mission and public affairs of the Church of England; Dr Robert J
>> Asher, a paleontoloist from Cambridge University; the sociologist
>> Professor Linda Woodhead from Lancaster University; Imam Abdullah
>> Hasan from Neeli Mosque and Islamic Centre; Professor Steve Fuller,
>> sociologist, Warwick University; Mohamed Ali Harrath, founder of The
>> Islam Channel; Pastor Marjorie Esomowie, Triumphant Church
>> International; and Adam Deen, executive director of the Deen Institute.
>>
>> Creationists won't say how an intelligent designer originated without
>> intelligent design
>
>That is not of importance in this issue.
in the water.
>it seems to me that the Evolutionists/Atheists are out to circumvent the issue.
>The Atheists want to close off the issue to suit themselves.
Did the creationists have a fair say?
Do you think it is time for all religions to accept evolution as fact?
You did say you wanted something all religious people could
agree on and this could be it. You should be out there going
to all churches and urging them to unify on accepting evolution.
>The Evolutionists may know that they are beaten on the issue of
>Hoe did nobody cause somebody to come from nothing eons ago?
>Atheists must answer that one question and if they can't....
>they are a'goners.
>
>They are a'goners now. Life comes from life....
>God Almighty is and had always been that life....Life can't come from non-life.
>You are beaten, Barry, at your little games.
Remember, life comes from life.
>But I would think you might go on with your wriggling and scheming
>until you are 'black and blue in the face'.
My modesty is far greater than that of anyone else.
You must worship me for my modesty.
>What came first - the chicken or the egg....as the chicken needs to lay the egg,
>obviously the chicken comes before the egg....
>and how did the chicken come before the egg???
>God created it. Creation wins hands down....
>and with apologies, farm-girl that I used to be....
>it has taken me all this time to suddenly have the realisation.
>God created the chicken...in order to lay the first egg...
>which when fertilisation has taken place by a male chicken (also created by God)
>in about three weeks a fluffy chicken will emerge from the egg.
intended by God. People have allergies to cow's milk because
it is for calves.
>God created the chicken male and female to act in such a way that
>there will be offspring to continue the family of chickens. QED
reproduction? You must wonder why God made us part of
the animal kingdom with the same basic needs and wants
and the same method of reproduction rather than separately
as you would expect for our 'higher' status. You must wonder
too why God did not give us the best of everything. Some other
animals live longer, some have better sight and/or smell,
some can run faster, some can fly.
>Apologies that the farm-girl has taken so long to think it through.
tinyurl link I made just for you and Steve?
http://tinyurl.com/DavidAttenboroughOnYoutube
Are you enjoying the Christopher Hitchens videos at the
tinyurl link I made just for you and Steve?
http://tinyurl.com/ChristopherHitchensOnYoutube
No TV needed for those so you are without excuse.
What do you think of my Great Door knock idea?
God is everywhere at once so God could knock on every door
in the world at the same time. Who could deny God then?
I urge you to put my idea to God as soon as possible.
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gladys swager
May 17, 2013, 2:00:34 AM5/17/13
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On Tuesday, May 14, 2013 6:13:15 PM UTC+10, Barry OGrady wrote:
> On Mon, 13 May 2013, gladys swager wrote:
Evolutionists won't say how Nobody made something out of Nothing eons ago.
The credibility gap is with the evolutionists.
Are you working on the assumption that whoever posts last is the winner?
> On Mon, 13 May 2013, gladys swager wrote:
Evolutionists won't say how Nobody made something out of Nothing eons ago.
The credibility gap is with the evolutionists.
Are you working on the assumption that whoever posts last is the winner?
Barry OGrady
May 17, 2013, 2:50:15 AM5/17/13
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On Thu, 16 May 2013 23:00:34 -0700 (PDT), gladys swager
<gsw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Evolutionists won't say how Nobody made something out of Nothing eons ago.
Damn straight!
<gsw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Evolutionists won't say how Nobody made something out of Nothing eons ago.
>The credibility gap is with the evolutionists.
Christians. Evolution is what you want.
>Are you working on the assumption that whoever posts last is the winner?
Are you working on the assumption that whoever posts last is the
winner?
I have come up with a way God could prove himself to everybody
in a way that would leave no doubt.
God is said to be everywhere at once so God could knock on every
door in the world at the same time. How could I deny God then?
gladys swager
May 17, 2013, 3:52:25 AM5/17/13
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On Friday, May 17, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:
> On Thu, 16 May 2013, gladys swager
...to kick-start evolution. You avoid that as you would avoid the plague.
Christians who accept that God created, and that about six thousand years ago,
as given in the Bible.....have a right to have their 'say' in this issue.
Evolutionists irresponsibly imposed their ideas
on children from 1963 in NSW schools.
Barry, stop hitting back at me!
Get down to 'tin-tacks', investigate the work of the Tertiary qualified scientists who believe the scintific evidence supports Creation
as given in Genesis in the Bible. creation.com/
> On Thu, 16 May 2013, gladys swager
>Evolutionists won't say how Nobody made something out of Nothing eons ago.
>The credibility gap is with the evolutionists.
You were looking for a common point to unite all Christians.
Evolution is what you want.
>Are you working on the assumption that whoever posts last is the winner?
You have not proved how nobody made something out of nothing?
You were looking for a common point to unite all Christians.
Evolution is what you want.
>Are you working on the assumption that whoever posts last is the winner?
...to kick-start evolution. You avoid that as you would avoid the plague.
Christians who accept that God created, and that about six thousand years ago,
as given in the Bible.....have a right to have their 'say' in this issue.
Evolutionists irresponsibly imposed their ideas
on children from 1963 in NSW schools.
Barry, stop hitting back at me!
Get down to 'tin-tacks', investigate the work of the Tertiary qualified scientists who believe the scintific evidence supports Creation
as given in Genesis in the Bible. creation.com/
Barry OGrady
May 17, 2013, 5:40:15 AM5/17/13
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On Fri, 17 May 2013 00:52:25 -0700 (PDT), gladys swager
<gsw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Friday, May 17, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:
>> On Thu, 16 May 2013, gladys swager
>>Evolutionists won't say how Nobody made something out of Nothing eons ago.
>>The credibility gap is with the evolutionists.
I didn't write that.
<gsw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Friday, May 17, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:
>> On Thu, 16 May 2013, gladys swager
>>Evolutionists won't say how Nobody made something out of Nothing eons ago.
>>The credibility gap is with the evolutionists.
>You were looking for a common point to unite all Christians.
>Evolution is what you want.
>
>You have not proved how nobody made something out of nothing?
>...to kick-start evolution. You avoid that as you would avoid the plague.
I wrote that.
>...to kick-start evolution. You avoid that as you would avoid the plague.
>Christians who accept that God created, and that about six thousand years ago,
>as given in the Bible.....have a right to have their 'say' in this issue.
>Evolutionists irresponsibly imposed their ideas on children from 1963 in
>NSW schools.
important.
>Barry, stop hitting back at me!
messages with the quoting untouched.
>Get down to 'tin-tacks', investigate the work of the Tertiary
>qualified scientists who believe the scintific evidence supports
>Creation as given in Genesis in the Bible. creation.com/
talked about evolution with no debate and no questions.
Does that sound like the sort of thing you would watch?
Its called 100 Reasons Why Evolution Is Stupid By Dr. Kent Hovind.
If that sounds good click on
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LopQl4eapM .
gladys swager
May 17, 2013, 5:13:21 PM5/17/13
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On Friday, May 17, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:
> On Fri, 17 May 2013), gladys swager wrote
> >On Friday, May 17, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:
>> On Thu, 16 May 2013, gladys swager
>>Evolutionists won't say how Nobody made something out of Nothing eons ago. >>The credibility gap is with the evolutionists. I didn't write that.
>You were looking for a common point to unite all Christians.
>Evolution is what you want.
> >You have not proved how nobody made something out of nothing?
> >...to kick-start evolution. You avoid that as you would avoid the plague.
>> On Thu, 16 May 2013, gladys swager
>>Evolutionists won't say how Nobody made something out of Nothing eons ago. >>The credibility gap is with the evolutionists. I didn't write that.
>You were looking for a common point to unite all Christians.
>Evolution is what you want.
> >You have not proved how nobody made something out of nothing?
> >...to kick-start evolution. You avoid that as you would avoid the plague.
> >Christians who accept that God created, and that about six thousand years ago, as given in the Bible.....have a right to have their 'say' in this issue. > >>Indeed, and they are having their say.
>Evolutionists irresponsibly imposed their ideas on children from 1963 in >NSW >schools.
>Evolutionists irresponsibly imposed their ideas on children from 1963 in >NSW >schools.
>Get down to 'tin-tacks', investigate the work of the Tertiary >qualified >scientists who believe the scintific evidence supports
>Creation as given in Genesis in the Bible. creation.com/
I watched a video on youtube where a creationist, Kent Hovind, talked about evolution with no debate and no questions. Does that sound like the sort of thing you would watch? Its called 100 Reasons Why Evolution Is Stupid By Dr. Kent Hovind. If that sounds good click on
>Creation as given in Genesis in the Bible. creation.com/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LopQl4eapM .
God can make His own decisions.
He doesn't need you, B.O'G. to dictate what He should do.
There are differences of opinion on some issues by the scientists who support Creationism - ie that God created originally.
But for Evolutionists to state that millions of years ago life began on earth is an idea that I find difficult to accept as having any scientific validity.
Creation Ministries Internation, an Australian initiated organisation,
does not claim it has all the answers. However, from their articles that I have read, I believe they do have a Biblical and a Scientific integrity in their work, and need careful study by all who are interested in this debate.
creation.com/maintaining-creationist-integrity-response-to-kent-hovind
Barry OGrady
May 17, 2013, 11:39:13 PM5/17/13
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On Fri, 17 May 2013 14:13:21 -0700 (PDT), gladys swager
<gsw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Friday, May 17, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:
>> On Fri, 17 May 2013), gladys swager wrote
>> >On Friday, May 17, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:
>>> On Thu, 16 May 2013, gladys swager
>>
<gsw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Friday, May 17, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:
>> On Fri, 17 May 2013), gladys swager wrote
>> >On Friday, May 17, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:
>>> On Thu, 16 May 2013, gladys swager
>>
>>You were looking for a common point to unite all Christians.
>>Evolution is what you want.
>
>>Evolution is what you want.
>
>I watched a video on youtube where a creationist, Kent Hovind, talked
>about evolution with no debate and no questions. Does that sound like
>the sort of thing you would watch? Its called 100 Reasons Why
>Evolution Is Stupid By Dr. Kent Hovind. If that sounds good click on
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LopQl4eapM .
>
>God can make His own decisions.
>He doesn't need you, B.O'G. to dictate what He should do.
Isn't that what prayer is about?
>about evolution with no debate and no questions. Does that sound like
>the sort of thing you would watch? Its called 100 Reasons Why
>Evolution Is Stupid By Dr. Kent Hovind. If that sounds good click on
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LopQl4eapM .
>
>God can make His own decisions.
>He doesn't need you, B.O'G. to dictate what He should do.
>There are differences of opinion on some issues by the scientists who
>support Creationism - ie that God created originally.
>But for Evolutionists to state that millions of years ago life began
>on earth is an idea that I find difficult to accept as having any
>scientific validity.
>Creation Ministries Internation, an Australian initiated organisation,
>does not claim it has all the answers. However, from their articles
>that I have read, I believe they do have a Biblical and a Scientific
>integrity in their work, and need careful study by all who are
>interested in this debate.
>creation.com/maintaining-creationist-integrity-response-to-kent-hovind
I read that right through and it is interesting to see that
creationists can't agree amongst themselves.
How is it you are on the side of CMI and not Kent Hovind?
I see also that CMI has internal legal problems of its own.
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gladys swager
May 18, 2013, 6:50:37 PM5/18/13
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On Saturday, May 18, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:
> On Fri, 17 May 2013, gladys swager wrote
Barry, There is no point in going over and over what has already been posted.
You have chosen to accept the irrational and unscientific evolutionary ideas.
Rather than continuing to post your agreement with them,
you need to go away into a quiet corner where you won't be disturbed,
and read through the posings that had been made to you.
Then go to creation.com/
The scientists working at that site give you both Biblical and scientific explanations.
Take your time to read through some of the articles
and then think carefully about what you have read.
The Evolutionists who wrote the chapter in Science for High school Students (published in 1963) did not and may I say Scientists will never have the evidence to support Evolution - so really it is like 'backing a dead horse'.
When you have understood what they are saying, it may be then that you will understand the reasoning given by Steve in his postings.
And Barry, do take time, just don't rush into posting to me,
until you have thought through the issues for quite some time.
God Almighty had no need to use Evolution in His creation of the Universe,
Mark 9 : 24 "Help Thou my unbelief". The father who brought his evidently epileptic son to Jesus, cried those words and Jesus healed his son.
They are words that you should pray as you think about this issue.
> On Fri, 17 May 2013, gladys swager wrote
Barry, There is no point in going over and over what has already been posted.
You have chosen to accept the irrational and unscientific evolutionary ideas.
Rather than continuing to post your agreement with them,
you need to go away into a quiet corner where you won't be disturbed,
and read through the posings that had been made to you.
Then go to creation.com/
The scientists working at that site give you both Biblical and scientific explanations.
Take your time to read through some of the articles
and then think carefully about what you have read.
The Evolutionists who wrote the chapter in Science for High school Students (published in 1963) did not and may I say Scientists will never have the evidence to support Evolution - so really it is like 'backing a dead horse'.
When you have understood what they are saying, it may be then that you will understand the reasoning given by Steve in his postings.
And Barry, do take time, just don't rush into posting to me,
until you have thought through the issues for quite some time.
God Almighty had no need to use Evolution in His creation of the Universe,
Mark 9 : 24 "Help Thou my unbelief". The father who brought his evidently epileptic son to Jesus, cried those words and Jesus healed his son.
They are words that you should pray as you think about this issue.
Barry OGrady
May 19, 2013, 12:26:35 AM5/19/13
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On Sat, 18 May 2013 15:50:37 -0700 (PDT), gladys swager
<gsw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Saturday, May 18, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:
>> On Fri, 17 May 2013, gladys swager wrote
>
>Barry, There is no point in going over and over what has already been posted.
Then it is time you stopped.
<gsw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Saturday, May 18, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:
>> On Fri, 17 May 2013, gladys swager wrote
>
>Barry, There is no point in going over and over what has already been posted.
>You have chosen to accept the irrational and unscientific evolutionary ideas.
>Rather than continuing to post your agreement with them,
>you need to go away into a quiet corner where you won't be disturbed,
>and read through the posings that had been made to you.
is a mental illness.
>Then go to creation.com/
>The scientists working at that site give you both Biblical and scientific explanations.
>Take your time to read through some of the articles
>and then think carefully about what you have read.
They really make fools of themselves by suggesting such an
intelligent man should be taken in by mythology.
As you know from watching the David Attenborough programs
through that youtube link I gave you he is far too knowledgable
to be deceived. Creationists can only get at the young and
the vulnerable.
I also discovered that Creation Ministries Irrational have a
section where they try to get at children. That is unacceptable
and they should be prosecuted for such abuse.
They can't agree with other creationists and they have internal
legal problems.
>The Evolutionists who wrote the chapter in Science for High school
>Students (published in 1963) did not and may I say Scientists will
>never have the evidence to support Evolution - so really it is like
>'backing a dead horse'.
I would still like to see a copy of the text you say you have.
Is it too big to scan and send electronically?
>When you have understood what they are saying, it may be then that you
>will understand the reasoning given by Steve in his postings.
Like you, Steve does not believe his own claims.
>And Barry, do take time, just don't rush into posting to me,
>until you have thought through the issues for quite some time.
>God Almighty had no need to use Evolution in His creation of the Universe,
>Mark 9 : 24 "Help Thou my unbelief".
>The father who brought his evidently epileptic son to Jesus, cried
>those words and Jesus healed his son.
>They are words that you should pray as you think about this issue.
gladys swager
May 19, 2013, 1:35:50 AM5/19/13
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On Sunday, May 19, 2013 2:26:35 PM UTC+10, Barry OGrady wrote:
ill, but they can be incorrect, and at times distressing.
>Go to creation.com/
Creationists can only get at the young and the vulnerable. I also discovered that Creation Ministries <snipped> have a section where they try to get at children. That is unacceptable and they should be prosecuted for such abuse.
>The Evolutionists who wrote the chapter in Science for High school >Students (published in 1963) did not,
>When you have understood what they are saying, it may be then that you will understand the reasoning given by Steve in his postings.
Steve makes unfounded assertions. He does not give reasons. Like you, Steve does not believe his own claims.
You are making a judgemental assertion in the above. From wha tSteve has posted to you, I would be of the opinion that he does decidedly believe his claims.
>And Barry, do take time, just don't rush into posting to me, until you have thought through the issues for quite some time.
I gave it 10,000 milliseconds.
>God Almighty had no need to use Evolution in His creation of the Universe, God almighty had no need to have his son killed on a stick.
>Mark 9 : 24 "Help Thou my unbelief". You have helped my unbelief.
There is no way that I have helped your unbelief.
>The father who brought his evidently epileptic son to Jesus, cried those words and Jesus healed his son. Jesus violated the man's free will.
Barry, that is sheer nonsense.
They are words that you should pray as you think about this issue. God doesn't need me to tell him what to do.
Barry, I do not know you personally, I do not know why your brain is in so much confusion, except that as you have taken Evolution in your thoughts,
you don't understand how a non-living thing can of itself gain living attributes,
and furtther to acquire additional DNA for more advancing attributes
to more complex living tings.
I have come to believe that Evolution to you is like the Baby's blanket that the baby trails behind him or her
no matter how stained or soiled it has become.
Barry, I grew up on a farm, with both native and introduced plants and animals. All of them stayed true to type....no sign of any change to another species,
in animals and plants from 1923 onwards to the about the late 1960's,
not even in one or two of plants or animals. You will say 'Not enough time".
But would a thousand years, many thousands of years have given enough time?
The students who were introduced to evolution from 1963, were in the majority city/suburban born and bred - most had not even seen a cow being milked.
They accepted what they were told....and those who piloted that programme
wnated them to do that. And as far as I can work out
you were one of those school-children who were told ....yes....lies.
There is absolutely no 'tree of life' with species ascending up to the top branches, either in actual fact or diagrams as used to be given in science texts..
Nor do Scientists actually know the progressions that are given on cladograms - drawings of branches that have been substituted for the 'tree of life'....
I wonder how many teenagers have protested in past times against the nonsense on those diagrams, (and especially the country-born students),
but their protests wcould have been ignored.
Teachers had to prepared the students for their examinations,
"Answer as you have been taught!!!!.
Reading was taught incorrectly - not recognising the complexity of the language.
Subtraction - smaller number in the top line subtract a larger number in the bottom line...borrowing and paying back - yes, it worked, but mathematically it was incorrect.
Physical Education as taught to the 1960's was not producing the levels of capablity that could be expected.
Aboriginal studies were just ignored...or as mine..praided in the classroom,
but nothing further stated in the local community.
And School Inspectors could pick up on the ideas that some of us were producing in our classes...
feed them into the Universities...and then advancements were publicised as it suited the politicians.....
> On Sat, 18 May 2013, gladys swager <gsw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Saturday, May 18, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:
>> On Fri, 17 May 2013, gladys swager wrote
> >Barry, There is no point in going over and over what has already been posted. Then it is time you stopped.
>You have chosen to accept the irrational and unscientific evolutionary ideas. Not chosen.
>Rather than continuing to post your agreement with them, you need to go away into a quiet corner where you won't be disturbed, >and read through the posings that had been made to you.
I already appreciate your help in confirming that Christianity is a mental illness.
'Mental Illness' is an incorrect term because thoughts and emotions cannot be
>On Saturday, May 18, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:
>> On Fri, 17 May 2013, gladys swager wrote
> >Barry, There is no point in going over and over what has already been posted. Then it is time you stopped.
>You have chosen to accept the irrational and unscientific evolutionary ideas. Not chosen.
>Rather than continuing to post your agreement with them, you need to go away into a quiet corner where you won't be disturbed, >and read through the posings that had been made to you.
I already appreciate your help in confirming that Christianity is a mental illness.
ill, but they can be incorrect, and at times distressing.
>Go to creation.com/
>The scientists working at that site give you both Biblical and scientific explanations.
>Take your time to read through some of the articles and then think carefully about what you have read.
I did a search there for David Attenborough. They really make fools of themselves by suggesting such an intelligent man should be taken in by mythology. As you know from watching the David Attenborough programs through that youtube link I gave you he is far too knowledgable to be deceived.
Even those of very high intelligence can accept some ideas that are fallacious.
>Take your time to read through some of the articles and then think carefully about what you have read.
I did a search there for David Attenborough. They really make fools of themselves by suggesting such an intelligent man should be taken in by mythology. As you know from watching the David Attenborough programs through that youtube link I gave you he is far too knowledgable to be deceived.
Creationists can only get at the young and the vulnerable. I also discovered that Creation Ministries <snipped> have a section where they try to get at children. That is unacceptable and they should be prosecuted for such abuse.
They can't agree with other creationists and they have internal legal problems.
There are differences between Creationist Scientists. The Creation scientists also have to deal with the incorrct ideas of the Evolutionists.
>The Evolutionists who wrote the chapter in Science for High school >Students (published in 1963) did not,
and may I say Scientists will never have the evidence to support Evolution -
so really it is like >'backing a dead horse'. Evolution is well proven and no alternatives have been offered. I would still like to see a copy of the text you say you have. Is it too big to scan and send electronically?
I haven't the technical aids to comply with your wants.
so really it is like >'backing a dead horse'. Evolution is well proven and no alternatives have been offered. I would still like to see a copy of the text you say you have. Is it too big to scan and send electronically?
>When you have understood what they are saying, it may be then that you will understand the reasoning given by Steve in his postings.
Steve makes unfounded assertions. He does not give reasons. Like you, Steve does not believe his own claims.
>And Barry, do take time, just don't rush into posting to me, until you have thought through the issues for quite some time.
I gave it 10,000 milliseconds.
>God Almighty had no need to use Evolution in His creation of the Universe, God almighty had no need to have his son killed on a stick.
>Mark 9 : 24 "Help Thou my unbelief". You have helped my unbelief.
>The father who brought his evidently epileptic son to Jesus, cried those words and Jesus healed his son. Jesus violated the man's free will.
They are words that you should pray as you think about this issue. God doesn't need me to tell him what to do.
you don't understand how a non-living thing can of itself gain living attributes,
and furtther to acquire additional DNA for more advancing attributes
to more complex living tings.
I have come to believe that Evolution to you is like the Baby's blanket that the baby trails behind him or her
no matter how stained or soiled it has become.
Barry, I grew up on a farm, with both native and introduced plants and animals. All of them stayed true to type....no sign of any change to another species,
in animals and plants from 1923 onwards to the about the late 1960's,
not even in one or two of plants or animals. You will say 'Not enough time".
But would a thousand years, many thousands of years have given enough time?
The students who were introduced to evolution from 1963, were in the majority city/suburban born and bred - most had not even seen a cow being milked.
They accepted what they were told....and those who piloted that programme
wnated them to do that. And as far as I can work out
you were one of those school-children who were told ....yes....lies.
There is absolutely no 'tree of life' with species ascending up to the top branches, either in actual fact or diagrams as used to be given in science texts..
Nor do Scientists actually know the progressions that are given on cladograms - drawings of branches that have been substituted for the 'tree of life'....
I wonder how many teenagers have protested in past times against the nonsense on those diagrams, (and especially the country-born students),
but their protests wcould have been ignored.
Teachers had to prepared the students for their examinations,
"Answer as you have been taught!!!!.
Reading was taught incorrectly - not recognising the complexity of the language.
Subtraction - smaller number in the top line subtract a larger number in the bottom line...borrowing and paying back - yes, it worked, but mathematically it was incorrect.
Physical Education as taught to the 1960's was not producing the levels of capablity that could be expected.
Aboriginal studies were just ignored...or as mine..praided in the classroom,
but nothing further stated in the local community.
And School Inspectors could pick up on the ideas that some of us were producing in our classes...
feed them into the Universities...and then advancements were publicised as it suited the politicians.....
gladys swager
May 19, 2013, 11:55:19 PM5/19/13
to
Barry OGrady
May 20, 2013, 1:57:53 AM5/20/13
to
is uninhabitable.
How are you going with the David Attenborough programs
on youtube via the link I had made for you? You can't help
but be impressed with the standard of the programs. They
are both entertaining and educational.
Also do a search on youtube for Penn and Teller Bullshit
episodes especially the one about creation. They do an
excellent job of showing creation for the Bullshit it is.
You never did thank me for showing you how you can
watch the excellent and true programs by Sir David
Attenborough without needing a TV. The important
thing is you are enjoying them and discovering how
absurd creation is.
That is thanks enough although I would like to hear
your thoughts about the programs.
Thank you.
gladys swager
May 20, 2013, 4:10:53 AM5/20/13
to
On Monday, May 20, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:
>The important thing ....you are discovering how absurd creation is.
I have learnt both from experience and through reading that it is Evolution
that is absurd.
However, it is extremely hard to prove to you
that Evoluition is the one that is absurd.
In time, 'I hope the penny will drop!
creatiion.com/if-god-created-the-universe-then-who-created-god
> On Sun, 19 May 2013, gladys swager wrote:
>gladys swager wrote: > >Monday, 2o May
>creation.com/created-to-be-inhabited A very interesting article
>gladys swager wrote: > >Monday, 2o May
The majority of the earth's surface is uninhabitable.
And there are parts of the earth's surface that are over-populated.
>The important thing ....you are discovering how absurd creation is.
I have learnt both from experience and through reading that it is Evolution
that is absurd.
However, it is extremely hard to prove to you
that Evoluition is the one that is absurd.
In time, 'I hope the penny will drop!
creatiion.com/if-god-created-the-universe-then-who-created-god
gladys swager
May 20, 2013, 4:14:14 AM5/20/13
to
On Monday, May 20, 2013 6:10:53 PM UTC+10, gladys swager wrote:
> On Monday, May 20, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote: > On Sun, 19 May 2013, gladys swager wrote: >gladys swager wrote: > >Monday, 2o May >creation.com/created-to-be-inhabited A very interesting article The majority of the earth's surface is uninhabitable. And there are parts of the earth's surface that are over-populated. >The important thing ....you are discovering how absurd creation is. I have learnt both from experience and through reading that it is Evolution that is absurd. However, it is extremely hard to prove to you that Evoluition is the one that is absurd. In time, 'I hope the penny will drop!
creation.com/if-god-created-the-universe-then-who-created-god
> On Monday, May 20, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote: > On Sun, 19 May 2013, gladys swager wrote: >gladys swager wrote: > >Monday, 2o May >creation.com/created-to-be-inhabited A very interesting article The majority of the earth's surface is uninhabitable. And there are parts of the earth's surface that are over-populated. >The important thing ....you are discovering how absurd creation is. I have learnt both from experience and through reading that it is Evolution that is absurd. However, it is extremely hard to prove to you that Evoluition is the one that is absurd. In time, 'I hope the penny will drop!
gladys swager
May 20, 2013, 4:16:32 AM5/20/13
to
Barry OGrady
May 20, 2013, 5:32:10 AM5/20/13
to
Barry OGrady
May 20, 2013, 5:33:35 AM5/20/13
to
How are you going with the David Attenborough programs
on youtube via the link I had made for you? You can't help
but be impressed with the standard of the programs. They
are both entertaining and educational.
Also do a search on youtube for Penn and Teller Bullshit
episodes especially the one about creation. They do an
excellent job of showing creation for the Bullshit it is.
You never did thank me for showing you how you can
watch the excellent and true programs by Sir David
Attenborough without needing a TV. The important
thing is you are enjoying them and discovering how
on youtube via the link I had made for you? You can't help
but be impressed with the standard of the programs. They
are both entertaining and educational.
Also do a search on youtube for Penn and Teller Bullshit
episodes especially the one about creation. They do an
excellent job of showing creation for the Bullshit it is.
You never did thank me for showing you how you can
watch the excellent and true programs by Sir David
Attenborough without needing a TV. The important
absurd creation is.
That is thanks enough although I would like to hear
your thoughts about the programs.
your thoughts about the programs.
Barry OGrady
May 20, 2013, 5:35:03 AM5/20/13
to
On Sat, 18 May 2013 22:35:50 -0700 (PDT), gladys swager
<gsw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Sunday, May 19, 2013 2:26:35 PM UTC+10, Barry OGrady wrote:
>> On Sat, 18 May 2013, gladys swager <gsw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>On Saturday, May 18, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:
>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013, gladys swager wrote
>> >Barry, There is no point in going over and over what has already been posted.
>>Then it is time you stopped.
>
>>>You have chosen to accept the irrational and unscientific evolutionary ideas.
>>Not chosen.
>On Sunday, May 19, 2013 2:26:35 PM UTC+10, Barry OGrady wrote:
>> On Sat, 18 May 2013, gladys swager <gsw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>On Saturday, May 18, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:
>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013, gladys swager wrote
>> >Barry, There is no point in going over and over what has already been posted.
>>Then it is time you stopped.
>
>>>You have chosen to accept the irrational and unscientific evolutionary ideas.
>>Not chosen.
>>I already appreciate your help in confirming that Christianity is a mental illness.
>'Mental Illness' is an incorrect term because thoughts and emotions cannot be
>ill, but they can be incorrect, and at times distressing.
>'Mental Illness' is an incorrect term because thoughts and emotions cannot be
>ill, but they can be incorrect, and at times distressing.
>Even those of very high intelligence can accept some ideas that are fallacious.
>
>Creationists can only get at the young and the vulnerable. I also discovered that
>Creation Ministries Irrational have a section where they try to get at children.
>
>Creationists can only get at the young and the vulnerable. I also discovered that
>That is unacceptable and they should be prosecuted for such abuse.
>They can't agree with other creationists and they have internal legal problems.
>
>There are differences between Creationist Scientists. The Creation
>scientists also have to deal with the incorrct ideas of the
>Evolutionists.
>
>>The Evolutionists who wrote the chapter in Science for High school
>>Students (published in 1963) did not, and may I say Scientists will never
>>have the evidence to support Evolution - so really it is like >'backing a dead
>>horse'.
>>Evolution is well proven and no alternatives have been offered. I
>>would still like to see a copy of the text you say you have. Is it too
>>big to scan and send electronically?
>I haven't the technical aids to comply with your wants.
>
>>When you have understood what they are saying, it may be then that
>>you will understand the reasoning given by Steve in his postings.
>
>>>Steve makes unfounded assertions. He does not give reasons. Like you,
>>>Steve does not believe his own claims.
>
>You are making a judgemental assertion in the above. From wha tSteve
>has posted to you, I would be of the opinion that he does decidedly
>believe his claims.
>They can't agree with other creationists and they have internal legal problems.
>
>There are differences between Creationist Scientists. The Creation
>scientists also have to deal with the incorrct ideas of the
>Evolutionists.
>
>>The Evolutionists who wrote the chapter in Science for High school
>>Students (published in 1963) did not, and may I say Scientists will never
>>have the evidence to support Evolution - so really it is like >'backing a dead
>>horse'.
>>Evolution is well proven and no alternatives have been offered. I
>>would still like to see a copy of the text you say you have. Is it too
>>big to scan and send electronically?
>I haven't the technical aids to comply with your wants.
>
>>When you have understood what they are saying, it may be then that
>>you will understand the reasoning given by Steve in his postings.
>
>>>Steve makes unfounded assertions. He does not give reasons. Like you,
>>>Steve does not believe his own claims.
>
>You are making a judgemental assertion in the above. From wha tSteve
>has posted to you, I would be of the opinion that he does decidedly
>believe his claims.
>God almighty had no need to have his son killed on a stick.
>
>>Mark 9 : 24 "Help Thou my unbelief". You have helped my unbelief.
>
>There is no way that I have helped your unbelief.
>
>>>The father who brought his evidently epileptic son to Jesus, cried those
>>> words and Jesus healed his son.
>>Jesus violated the man's free will.
>Barry, that is sheer nonsense.
>
>They are words that you should pray as you think about this issue.
>>God doesn't need me to tell him what to do.
>
>Barry, I do not know you personally, I do not know why your brain is
>in so much confusion, except that as you have taken Evolution in your
>thoughts, you don't understand how a non-living thing can of itself
>gain living attributes, and furtther to acquire additional DNA for
>more advancing attributes to more complex living tings.
>
>>Mark 9 : 24 "Help Thou my unbelief". You have helped my unbelief.
>
>There is no way that I have helped your unbelief.
>
>>>The father who brought his evidently epileptic son to Jesus, cried those
>>> words and Jesus healed his son.
>>Jesus violated the man's free will.
>Barry, that is sheer nonsense.
>
>They are words that you should pray as you think about this issue.
>>God doesn't need me to tell him what to do.
>
>Barry, I do not know you personally, I do not know why your brain is
>in so much confusion, except that as you have taken Evolution in your
>thoughts, you don't understand how a non-living thing can of itself
>gain living attributes, and furtther to acquire additional DNA for
>more advancing attributes to more complex living tings.
>Barry, I grew up on a farm, with both native and introduced plants and
>animals. All of them stayed true to type....no sign of any change to
>another species, in animals and plants from 1923 onwards to the about
>the late 1960's, not even in one or two of plants or animals. You will
>say 'Not enough time".
>But would a thousand years, many thousands of years have given enough time?
>animals. All of them stayed true to type....no sign of any change to
>another species, in animals and plants from 1923 onwards to the about
>the late 1960's, not even in one or two of plants or animals. You will
>say 'Not enough time".
>But would a thousand years, many thousands of years have given enough time?
How are you going with the David Attenborough programs
on youtube via the link I had made for you? You can't help
but be impressed with the standard of the programs. They
are both entertaining and educational.
Also do a search on youtube for Penn and Teller Bullshit
episodes especially the one about creation. They do an
excellent job of showing creation for the Bullshit it is.
You never did thank me for showing you how you can
watch the excellent and true programs by Sir David
Attenborough without needing a TV. The important
thing is you are enjoying them and discovering how
absurd creation is.
That is thanks enough although I would like to hear
your thoughts about the programs.
on youtube via the link I had made for you? You can't help
but be impressed with the standard of the programs. They
are both entertaining and educational.
Also do a search on youtube for Penn and Teller Bullshit
episodes especially the one about creation. They do an
excellent job of showing creation for the Bullshit it is.
You never did thank me for showing you how you can
watch the excellent and true programs by Sir David
Attenborough without needing a TV. The important
thing is you are enjoying them and discovering how
absurd creation is.
That is thanks enough although I would like to hear
your thoughts about the programs.
Barry OGrady
May 20, 2013, 5:35:39 AM5/20/13
to
On Mon, 20 May 2013 01:10:53 -0700 (PDT), gladys swager
<gsw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Monday, May 20, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:
>> On Sun, 19 May 2013, gladys swager wrote:
>>gladys swager wrote: > >Monday, 2o May
>
>>creation.com/created-to-be-inhabited A very interesting article
I did not write that.
<gsw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Monday, May 20, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:
>> On Sun, 19 May 2013, gladys swager wrote:
>>gladys swager wrote: > >Monday, 2o May
>
>>creation.com/created-to-be-inhabited A very interesting article
>The majority of the earth's surface is uninhabitable.
>And there are parts of the earth's surface that are over-populated.
>>The important thing ....you are discovering how absurd creation is.
>
>I have learnt both from experience and through reading that it is Evolution
>that is absurd.
>However, it is extremely hard to prove to you
>that Evoluition is the one that is absurd.
>In time, 'I hope the penny will drop!
>
>creatiion.com/if-god-created-the-universe-then-who-created-god
Click here to buy CreaTiion.com for $2,095
How are you going with the David Attenborough programs
on youtube via the link I had made for you? You can't help
but be impressed with the standard of the programs. They
are both entertaining and educational.
Also do a search on youtube for Penn and Teller Bullshit
episodes especially the one about creation. They do an
excellent job of showing creation for the Bullshit it is.
You never did thank me for showing you how you can
watch the excellent and true programs by Sir David
Attenborough without needing a TV. The important
absurd creation is.
That is thanks enough although I would like to hear
your thoughts about the programs.
your thoughts about the programs.
gladys swager
May 20, 2013, 1:53:35 PM5/20/13
to
On Monday, May 20, 2013 7:32:10 PM UTC+10, Barry OGrady wrote:
> On Mon, 20 May 2013 01:14:14 -0700 (PDT), gladys swager <gsw...@gmail.com> wrote: >On Monday, May 20, 2013 6:10:53 PM UTC+10, gladys swager wrote: >> On Monday, May 20, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote: > On Sun, 19 May 2013, gladys swager wrote: >gladys swager wrote: > >Monday, 2o May >creation.com/created-to-be-inhabited A very interesting article The majority of the earth's surface is uninhabitable. And there are parts of the earth's surface that are over-populated. >The important thing ....you are discovering how absurd creation is. I have learnt both from experience and through reading that it is Evolution that is absurd. However, it is extremely hard to prove to you that Evoluition is the one that is absurd. In time, 'I hope the penny will drop! >creation.com/if-god-created-the-universe-then-who-created-god
>You should cease posting until you fix the formatting.
I am not the one to do that, as the formatting has been changed
> On Mon, 20 May 2013 01:14:14 -0700 (PDT), gladys swager <gsw...@gmail.com> wrote: >On Monday, May 20, 2013 6:10:53 PM UTC+10, gladys swager wrote: >> On Monday, May 20, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote: > On Sun, 19 May 2013, gladys swager wrote: >gladys swager wrote: > >Monday, 2o May >creation.com/created-to-be-inhabited A very interesting article The majority of the earth's surface is uninhabitable. And there are parts of the earth's surface that are over-populated. >The important thing ....you are discovering how absurd creation is. I have learnt both from experience and through reading that it is Evolution that is absurd. However, it is extremely hard to prove to you that Evoluition is the one that is absurd. In time, 'I hope the penny will drop! >creation.com/if-god-created-the-universe-then-who-created-god
>You should cease posting until you fix the formatting.
by another person.
I have even wondered if you wre the guilty person who changed the formatting.
Barry OGrady
May 20, 2013, 6:40:05 PM5/20/13
to
On Mon, 20 May 2013 10:53:35 -0700 (PDT), gladys swager
You must learn to take responsibility for your own actions.
If you won't use a proper newsreader at least have a talk
to Google support.
I recommend Forte Agent. Its a lot easier to use than
Google and you wouldn't have any problems with it.
I am aware that you automatically reject anything I suggest,
such as copy and paste which would allow you to have
error free links.
If you won't use a proper newsreader at least have a talk
to Google support.
I recommend Forte Agent. Its a lot easier to use than
Google and you wouldn't have any problems with it.
I am aware that you automatically reject anything I suggest,
such as copy and paste which would allow you to have
error free links.
Barry OGrady
May 20, 2013, 7:12:17 PM5/20/13
to
On Mon, 20 May 2013 19:35:03 +1000, Barry OGrady
<ath...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
>On Sat, 18 May 2013 22:35:50 -0700 (PDT), gladys swager
><gsw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sunday, May 19, 2013 2:26:35 PM UTC+10, Barry OGrady wrote:
>>> On Sat, 18 May 2013, gladys swager <gsw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>On Saturday, May 18, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013, gladys swager wrote
>>> >Barry, There is no point in going over and over what has already been posted.
>
>>>Then it is time you stopped.
>>
>>>>You have chosen to accept the irrational and unscientific evolutionary ideas.
>
>>>Not chosen.
>
>>>I already appreciate your help in confirming that Christianity is a mental illness.
>
>>'Mental Illness' is an incorrect term because thoughts and emotions cannot be
>>ill, but they can be incorrect, and at times distressing.
Mental illness is the right term for Christianity because it is the
<ath...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
>On Sat, 18 May 2013 22:35:50 -0700 (PDT), gladys swager
><gsw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sunday, May 19, 2013 2:26:35 PM UTC+10, Barry OGrady wrote:
>>> On Sat, 18 May 2013, gladys swager <gsw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>On Saturday, May 18, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013, gladys swager wrote
>>> >Barry, There is no point in going over and over what has already been posted.
>
>>>Then it is time you stopped.
>>
>>>>You have chosen to accept the irrational and unscientific evolutionary ideas.
>
>>>Not chosen.
>
>>>I already appreciate your help in confirming that Christianity is a mental illness.
>
>>'Mental Illness' is an incorrect term because thoughts and emotions cannot be
>>ill, but they can be incorrect, and at times distressing.
illness that causes incorrect thoughts.
>>Even those of very high intelligence can accept some ideas that are fallacious.
Creationists can only get at the young and the vulnerable. I also
discovered that Creation Ministries Irrational have a section where
they try to get at children.
That is unacceptable and they should be prosecuted for such abuse.
They can't agree with other creationists and they have internal legal
problems.
>>>The Evolutionists who wrote the chapter in Science for High school
>>>Students (published in 1963) did not, and may I say Scientists will never
>>>have the evidence to support Evolution - so really it is like >'backing a dead
>>>horse'.
>
>>>Evolution is well proven and no alternatives have been offered. I
>>>would still like to see a copy of the text you say you have. Is it too
>>>big to scan and send electronically?
>
>>I haven't the technical aids to comply with your wants.
Could you at least quote some of the text so I have some idea
>>>Students (published in 1963) did not, and may I say Scientists will never
>>>have the evidence to support Evolution - so really it is like >'backing a dead
>>>horse'.
>
>>>Evolution is well proven and no alternatives have been offered. I
>>>would still like to see a copy of the text you say you have. Is it too
>>>big to scan and send electronically?
>
>>I haven't the technical aids to comply with your wants.
of what it is about?
>>>When you have understood what they are saying, it may be then that
>>>you will understand the reasoning given by Steve in his postings.
>>
>>>>Steve makes unfounded assertions. He does not give reasons. Like you,
>>>>Steve does not believe his own claims.
>>
>>You are making a judgemental assertion in the above. From wha tSteve
>>has posted to you, I would be of the opinion that he does decidedly
>>believe his claims.
and evidence.
God almighty had no need to have his son killed on a stick.
>>>Mark 9 : 24 "Help Thou my unbelief". You have helped my unbelief.
>>
>>There is no way that I have helped your unbelief.
>>>>The father who brought his evidently epileptic son to Jesus, cried those
>>>> words and Jesus healed his son.
>
>>>Jesus violated the man's free will.
>>They are words that you should pray as you think about this issue.
>>>God doesn't need me to tell him what to do.
>>
>>Barry, I do not know you personally, I do not know why your brain is
>>in so much confusion, except that as you have taken Evolution in your
>>thoughts, you don't understand how a non-living thing can of itself
>>gain living attributes, and furtther to acquire additional DNA for
>>more advancing attributes to more complex living tings.
Yet you have no trouble accepting an almighty and all-knowning
>>>God doesn't need me to tell him what to do.
>>
>>Barry, I do not know you personally, I do not know why your brain is
>>in so much confusion, except that as you have taken Evolution in your
>>thoughts, you don't understand how a non-living thing can of itself
>>gain living attributes, and furtther to acquire additional DNA for
>>more advancing attributes to more complex living tings.
creator God from nothing without explanation.
>>Barry, I grew up on a farm, with both native and introduced plants and
>>animals. All of them stayed true to type....no sign of any change to
>>another species, in animals and plants from 1923 onwards to the about
>>the late 1960's, not even in one or two of plants or animals. You will
>>say 'Not enough time".
>
>>But would a thousand years, many thousands of years have given enough time?
Barry OGrady
May 20, 2013, 7:19:55 PM5/20/13
to
> On Mon, 20 May 2013 01:16:32 -0700 (PDT), gladys swager
><gsw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Monday, May 20, 2013 , gladys swager wrote:
>>> On Monday, May 20, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:
>>> On Sun, 19 May 2013, gladys swager wrote:
>>> >Monday, 20 May
><gsw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Monday, May 20, 2013 , gladys swager wrote:
>>> On Monday, May 20, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:
>>> On Sun, 19 May 2013, gladys swager wrote:
>creation.com/created-to-be-inhabited
A very interesting article The majority of the earth's surface is
uninhabitable. And there are parts of the earth's surface that are
over-populated.
The important thing ....you are discovering how absurd creation is.
>>I have learnt both from experience and through reading that it
>>is Evolution that is absurd.
>>However, it is extremely hard to prove to you that Evoluition is
>>the one that is absurd. In time, 'I hope the penny will drop!
>>creation.com/if-god-created-the-universe-then-who-created-god
They are regurgitating the same old discredited nonsense.
Do you really believe the Grand Canyon was carved in a few
minutes?
I think you know creation is rubbish because you won't
even look at the evidence I provide. What are you afraid
of?
How are you going with the David Attenborough programs
on youtube via the link I had made for you? You can't help
but be impressed with the standard of the programs. They
are both entertaining and educational.
Also do a search on youtube for Penn and Teller Bullshit
episodes especially the one about creation. They do an
excellent job of showing creation for the Bullshit it is.
You never did thank me for showing you how you can
watch the excellent and true programs by Sir David
Attenborough without needing a TV. The important
thing is you are enjoying them and discovering how
absurd creation is.
That is thanks enough although I would like to hear
your thoughts about the programs.
==============
gladys swager
May 20, 2013, 8:25:28 PM5/20/13
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On Tuesday, May 21, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:
> > On Mon, 20 May 2013, gladys swager wrote:
>>creation.com/if-god-created-the-universe-then-who-created-god
creation.com/attenborough-60-years
> > On Mon, 20 May 2013, gladys swager wrote:
>>creation.com/if-god-created-the-universe-then-who-created-god
creation.com/attenborough-60-years
Barry OGrady
May 20, 2013, 8:43:16 PM5/20/13
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no idea who or what they are talking about.
No wonder you have no idea what happens in the real world.
You must learn to take responsibility for your own actions.
If you won't use a proper newsreader at least have a talk
to Google support.
I recommend Forte Agent. Its a lot easier to use than
Google and you wouldn't have any problems with it.
I am aware that you automatically reject anything I suggest,
such as copy and paste which would allow you to have
error free links.
gladys swager
May 21, 2013, 10:57:05 PM5/21/13
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On Tuesday, May 21, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:
> On Mon, 20 May 2013, gladys swager wrote:
Evolution did not happen in the past; it is not happening today.
> On Mon, 20 May 2013, gladys swager wrote:
One organism cannot change into another type of organism ...over time...
even millions of (non-existent) years.
Evolution has been accepted by some in the scientific community
because it was indoctrinated in the school systen from 1963.
The evidence is that within a species certain changes can occur over time...
(I am not the same 'gal' I was sixty years ago!!)
but they do not develop into another species.
Can anyone in the world to-day give evidence that one species changed into another species - ie that bacteria and fungai devloped into the multi-cellular plants and animals ...as given by the Tree of Life diagram in the 1963 text,
"Science for High School Students". granted that depection has been changed into what are term 'Cladograms' - that is families within a species.
However, I see no lessening of the term 'evolution', even though in its use,
as far as I am aware, it has been discredited.
'Mouse to man' - how ludicrous! But that is actually what evolution can mean.
duke
May 22, 2013, 11:57:52 AM5/22/13
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On Tue, 21 May 2013 19:57:05 -0700 (PDT), gladys swager <gsw...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>On Tuesday, May 21, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:
>> On Mon, 20 May 2013, gladys swager wrote:
>
>Evolution did not happen in the past; it is not happening today.
Haahaahaa. You have a tail bone, gladys. What happened to your tail?
The dukester, American - American
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Repeal Obama
You simply can't fix stupid.
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wrote:
>On Tuesday, May 21, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:
>> On Mon, 20 May 2013, gladys swager wrote:
>
>Evolution did not happen in the past; it is not happening today.
The dukester, American - American
********************************************
Repeal Obama
You simply can't fix stupid.
********************************************
gladys swager
May 22, 2013, 3:07:25 PM5/22/13
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On Thursday, May 23, 2013, duke wrote:
That end has been termed 'the tailbone', but that does not signify
that an ancestor way back in time was an animal that did have a tail.
such as some kind of ape that does not exist today.
> On Tue, 21 May 2013, gladys swager wrote:
>On Tuesday, May 21, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:
>> On Mon, 20 May 2013, gladys swager wrote:
> >Evolution did not happen in the past; it is not happening today.
>On Tuesday, May 21, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:
>> On Mon, 20 May 2013, gladys swager wrote:
> >Evolution did not happen in the past; it is not happening today.
> You have a tail bone, gladys.
>What happened to your tail?
My spine comes to a reasonably abrupt end, Duke.
>What happened to your tail?
That end has been termed 'the tailbone', but that does not signify
that an ancestor way back in time was an animal that did have a tail.
such as some kind of ape that does not exist today.
Barry OGrady
May 22, 2013, 7:19:38 PM5/22/13
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On Wed, 22 May 2013 10:57:52 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>On Tue, 21 May 2013 19:57:05 -0700 (PDT), gladys swager <gsw...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Tuesday, May 21, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:
>>> On Mon, 20 May 2013, gladys swager wrote:
>>
>>Evolution did not happen in the past; it is not happening today.
>
>Haahaahaa. You have a tail bone, gladys. What happened to your tail?
Evolution did not happen because Gladys does not want it to happen.
>On Tue, 21 May 2013 19:57:05 -0700 (PDT), gladys swager <gsw...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Tuesday, May 21, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:
>>> On Mon, 20 May 2013, gladys swager wrote:
>>
>>Evolution did not happen in the past; it is not happening today.
>
>Haahaahaa. You have a tail bone, gladys. What happened to your tail?
>The dukester, American - American
gladys swager
May 22, 2013, 7:58:46 PM5/22/13
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On Thursday, May 23, 2013 Barry OGrady wrote:
> On Wed, 22 May 2013, duke wrote:
has not happened in the past,
is not happening now,
will not happen in the future. (a judgement made from past non-events)
And I would really like to know who is messing about
with the posting of the comments...more importantly...why?
creation.com/hundreds-of-jellyfish-fossils
> On Wed, 22 May 2013, duke wrote:
> >On Tue, 21 May 2013, gladys swager wrote:
> >>On Tuesday, May 21, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:
>>> >On Mon, 20 May 2013, gladys swager wrote:
>> >>Evolution did not happen in the past; it is not happening today.
> >>On Tuesday, May 21, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:
>>> >On Mon, 20 May 2013, gladys swager wrote:
>> >>Evolution did not happen in the past; it is not happening today.
> > You have a tail bone, gladys.
> >What happened to your tail? Evolution did not happen
> >because Gladys does not want it to happen.
Can't you boys get it into your heads that evolution - 'the goo-to-you-type'-
> >What happened to your tail? Evolution did not happen
> >because Gladys does not want it to happen.
has not happened in the past,
is not happening now,
will not happen in the future. (a judgement made from past non-events)
And I would really like to know who is messing about
with the posting of the comments...more importantly...why?
creation.com/hundreds-of-jellyfish-fossils
Barry OGrady
May 22, 2013, 8:13:59 PM5/22/13
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On Wed, 22 May 2013 16:58:46 -0700 (PDT), gladys swager
<gsw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Thursday, May 23, 2013 Barry OGrady wrote:
>> On Wed, 22 May 2013, duke wrote:
>> >On Tue, 21 May 2013, gladys swager wrote:
>> >>On Tuesday, May 21, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:
>>>> >On Mon, 20 May 2013, gladys swager wrote:
>>> >>Evolution did not happen in the past; it is not happening today.
>> > You have a tail bone, gladys.
>
>> >What happened to your tail? Evolution did not happen
>> >because Gladys does not want it to happen.
Duke wrote 'What happened to your tail?'
<gsw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Thursday, May 23, 2013 Barry OGrady wrote:
>> On Wed, 22 May 2013, duke wrote:
>> >On Tue, 21 May 2013, gladys swager wrote:
>> >>On Tuesday, May 21, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:
>>>> >On Mon, 20 May 2013, gladys swager wrote:
>>> >>Evolution did not happen in the past; it is not happening today.
>> > You have a tail bone, gladys.
>
>> >What happened to your tail? Evolution did not happen
>> >because Gladys does not want it to happen.
I wrote 'Evolution did not happen because Gladys does
not want it to happen.'
Yet you quoted Duke as saying both.
>Can't you boys get it into your heads that evolution - 'the goo-to-you-type'-
>has not happened in the past,
>is not happening now,
>will not happen in the future. (a judgement made from past non-events)
and formatting is not helping your cause?
>And I would really like to know who is messing about
>with the posting of the comments...more importantly...why?
Didn't God give you free will?
You must learn to take responsibility for your own actions.
If you won't use a proper newsreader at least have a talk
to Google support.
I would like to know who is posting those
Creation Ministries Irrational links and why.
How are you going with the David Attenborough programs
on youtube via the link I had made for you? You can't help
but be impressed with the standard of the programs. They
are both entertaining and educational.
Also do a search on youtube for Penn and Teller Bullshit
episodes especially the one about creation. They do an
excellent job of showing creation for the Bullshit it is.
You never did thank me for showing you how you can
watch the excellent and true programs by Sir David
Attenborough without needing a TV. The important
thing is you are enjoying them and discovering how
absurd creation is.
That is thanks enough although I would like to hear
your thoughts about the programs.
gladys swager
May 23, 2013, 12:14:15 AM5/23/13
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On Thursday, May 23, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:
and with the ability to reproduce of its own kind.
Duke wrote 'What happened to your tail?'
I wrote 'Evolution did not happen because Gladys does not want it to happen.'
Yet you quoted Duke as saying both.
>Can't you boys get it into your heads that evolution - 'the goo-to-you-type'- >has not happened in the past, is not happening now, will not happen in the >future.
or is it tha tyou have set yourself up as 'a law unto yourself'
(snipped) D.A. must be laughing 'all the way to the bank'.
I would think he is a very intelligent man,
but not intelligent enough to realise that living organisms did not/
could not make themselves, originally. Only God could do that.
> On Wed, 22 May 2013, gladys swager wrote:
>On Thursday, May 23, 2013 Barry OGrady wrote:
>> On Wed, 22 May 2013, duke wrote:
>> >On Tue, 21 May 2013, gladys swager wrote:
>> >>On Tuesday, May 21, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:
>>>> >On Mon, 20 May 2013, gladys swager wrote:
>>> >>Evolution did not happen in the past; it is not happening today.
>> > You have a tail bone, gladys.
> >> >What happened to your tail? Evolution did not happen
>> >because Gladys does not want it to happen.
It is not a matter of what I may want in this issue. i tis time tha tyou began to accept reality and that is that God created at the beginning of time
>On Thursday, May 23, 2013 Barry OGrady wrote:
>> On Wed, 22 May 2013, duke wrote:
>> >On Tue, 21 May 2013, gladys swager wrote:
>> >>On Tuesday, May 21, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:
>>>> >On Mon, 20 May 2013, gladys swager wrote:
>>> >>Evolution did not happen in the past; it is not happening today.
>> > You have a tail bone, gladys.
> >> >What happened to your tail? Evolution did not happen
>> >because Gladys does not want it to happen.
and with the ability to reproduce of its own kind.
Duke wrote 'What happened to your tail?'
I wrote 'Evolution did not happen because Gladys does not want it to happen.'
Yet you quoted Duke as saying both.
>Can't you boys get it into your heads that evolution - 'the goo-to-you-type'- >has not happened in the past, is not happening now, will not happen in the >future.
Can't you get it into your head that messing with the attributions and formatting is not helping your cause?
>creation.com/hundreds-of-jellyfish-fossils
I would like to know who is posting those Creation Ministries Irrational links and why.
Use their corect name, Barry, as I have posted to you previously ....
I would like to know who is posting those Creation Ministries Irrational links and why.
or is it tha tyou have set yourself up as 'a law unto yourself'
(snipped) D.A. must be laughing 'all the way to the bank'.
I would think he is a very intelligent man,
but not intelligent enough to realise that living organisms did not/
could not make themselves, originally. Only God could do that.
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