I am thinking about becoming a liberal Lutheran. :-).

[Michael Christ]

Ike wrote:
>Fuck you.

Ike wrote:
>Of course not, cunt: You're just here to argue for the sake of arguing;
>otherwise, you would have no purpose in life.

The above was not written to me but curiously it was written on the
thread...

'Saints and sinners'.

"There are saints.
There are sinners.
But there are no 'Saint sinners'."

So very true.

Come on Ike, it is time to reason with me, instead of taking a dump on
me in your filthy unrepentant sinful nature.



Your friend,
Michael Christ

[Rod]

On 5/5/2013 9:05 AM, Michael Christ wrote:
> Ike wrote:
>> Fuck you.
>
> Ike wrote:
>> Of course not, cunt: You're just here to argue for the sake of arguing;
>> otherwise, you would have no purpose in life.
>
> The above was not written to me but curiously it was written on the
> thread...
>
> 'Saints and sinners'.

A piece of advice...don't bend over around Ike.

[Up from the Abyss]

"Michael Christ" wrote:
>

<snip>

> Your friend,

Why do I get the sudden urge to vomit every time
I see you sign a post "Your friend"? Or, every time
I see one of your putrid smiley faces.

[Michael Christ]

On May 6, 12:57 am, "Up from the Abyss" <U...@Abyss.net> wrote:
> "Michael Christ" wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> > Your friend,

Abyss wrote:
> Why do I get the sudden urge to vomit every time
> I see you sign a post "Your friend"?  Or, every time
> I see one of your putrid smiley faces.

God gives you the urge to vomit, atheist, so anyone that speaks
spiritual truth would.

You are so in love with yourself as to deny God the creator. You
don't know me and you don't know who I am, you haven't got a clue.

You are a fool, Abyss. As if what you feel is the measure of
reality! Get out from in front of the mirror, pretty boy, and you
might actually start seeing something.



Michael Christ

[Michael Christ]

Ike wrote:
>Fuck you.

Ike wrote:
>Of course not, cunt: You're just here to argue for the sake of arguing;
>otherwise, you would have no purpose in life.

Michael Christ wrote:
>The above was not written to me but curiously it was written on the
>thread...

>'Saints and sinners'.

Rod wrote:
>    A piece of advice...don't bend over around Ike.

I have finally had a revelation of what a 'Ravening Sheep' is!! :-).

Actually, I just had a thought of how wonderful this newsgroup could
be with all these vibrant personalities. But something like that
ain't going to happen this side of heaven.

Besides it doesn't end there, I may as well been talking about the
whole world; how wonderful it could have been. Sad really, very
sad.




Michael Christ

[Ike]

On 5/5/2013 10:05 AM, Michael Christ wrote:
> Ike wrote:
>> Fuck you.
>
> Ike wrote:
>> Of course not, cunt: You're just here to argue for the sake of arguing;
>> otherwise, you would have no purpose in life.
>
> The above was not written to me but curiously it was written on the
> thread...
>
> 'Saints and sinners'.
>
> "There are saints.
> There are sinners.
> But there are no 'Saint sinners'."

And that's the lie.

ALL Saints are sinners.

Anyone who says otherwise is the liar, to whit...

Rom 7:
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good
thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is
good I find not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not,
that I do.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin
that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my
mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my
members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this
death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I
myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Ike

[Ike]

...says the inbred "native American."

Ike

[Ike]

On 5/5/2013 5:33 PM, Michael Antichrist wrote:

> Actually, I just had a thought of how wonderful this newsgroup could
> be with all these vibrant personalities. But something like that
> ain't going to happen this side of heaven.

Better get used to it, 'cause you're never going to see the other side
of heaven.

[snippeth]

Ike

[Ike]

At least Peterson comes by his atheism honestly (if not ignorantly);
you're just a plain fraud all the way around, Antichrist.

He doesn't say "the Bible says this" when it doesn't, or "the Bible
doesn't say that" when it does. He just doesn't get it, or believe it.

You're the greater blasphemer, making up your own story "in Jesus Name"
as you go along, while pissing on the Word when it proves you're a liar.

Ike

[Rod]

If you were there then I am probably a product of rape..

[Rod]

Sorry Ike, you're wrong once again. Romans is SPURIOUS! John was a
disciple and studied DIRECTLY under Christ, and 1 John says


1John 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath
not seen him, neither known him.

1John 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth
righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

1John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth
from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that
he might destroy the works of the devil.

1John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed
remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.



So those saints WITH the Holy Spirit CANNOT SIN, hence your words
are once again LIES, anti christ..

[Michael Christ]

Rod wrote:
>     Sorry Ike, you're wrong once again. Romans is SPURIOUS! John was a
> disciple and studied DIRECTLY under Christ, and 1 John says
>
> 1John 3:6  Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath
> not seen him, neither known him.
>
> 1John 3:7  Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth
> righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
>
> 1John 3:8  He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth
> from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that
> he might destroy the works of the devil.
>
> 1John 3:9  Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed
> remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
>
>     So those saints WITH the Holy Spirit CANNOT SIN, hence your words
>   are once again LIES, anti christ..

Praise the Lord, hey that is pretty good, Rod.

Not that it is going to penetrate 'concrete head'. :-). Ike doesn't
understand anymore than what he decides in his sin...and sin
envisioned theology.




Michael Christ

[Michael Christ]

I think you can take your Lutheran liberal theological with you, Ike,
and present it to your Pastor for evaluation...

Ike wrote:
>Fuck you.
Ike wrote:
>Of course not, cunt:

Your fruit of the 'church of Ike' seems a little...ummm...off
spirited.

For the record, an atheist is never 'honest', in the Spirit where
reality is.

You are shown to be the fraud, antichristian. That is what happens
when you try to bury your sin in theology.





Michael Christ

[Michael Christ]

On May 6, 9:06 pm, Rod <nhraf...@gmail.com> wrote:

That is excellent...

"saints WITH the Holy Spirit CANNOT SIN".

'Born of God'.

For light has no fellowship with darkness, in Him (in Christ) is no
darkness at all.




Michael Christ

[Rod]

He he he he he !

[Rod]

On 5/6/2013 8:35 AM, Michael Christ wrote:

The way I see it...the closer a disciple is to the source
the purer the truth becomes. John was a disciple directly
under Christ, Paul was a later come along. If 1 John 3:6-9
isn't proof that Paul was wrong in some things, then Christ
was a fable, and I know for FACT that Christ was not a fable,
far too many witnesses to His ministry.

[Rod]

You know....I'm thinking that free will unchecked isn't such a
wonderful gift..

[MattB .]

Now that sounds a little to close to the thoughts of a liberal.
Careful. Self Control is the key.

I do agree with what you on your comparison of John and Paul.

Ever read a red letter edition and only read the red? If not try
it.

[Rod]

Politically...I'm a social moderate and a fiscal conservative,
I believe in keeping families strong and NOT starting wars
for profit, but fighting wars that must be fought to preserve
the family and freedom.

What this means is that I see Islam as a deadly threat to
Christianity and the families right to be Christian or Mormon
or even Muslim AS LONG AS the religious practices do not harm
society or curtail their rights.

> Careful. Self Control is the key.

You're right.

>
> I do agree with what you on your comparison of John and Paul.

I'm glad, thanks ! It's the law of natural progression; just as in
power lines and electronics, the further one is from the source
the more loss one accrues. Paul is a 2nd generation disciple that
learned from some of the 1st, and their understanding of Christ's
teachings were not perfect as He was always correcting them, but then
in Paul's defense 1John wasn't around in his time,
so misunderstanding are bound to happen. 1 John was thought to have
been written near Ephesus between the years 95�110 AD, while Romans
was thought to have been written near 55-58 AD. Paul died about the
same time as Peter, near 66-68 AD during the reign of Nero the
2nd antichrist, so Paul had not seen nor heard of the Gospel of John
or 1 John.

>
> Ever read a red letter edition and only read the red?

Yes, I have two of them here, but I like e sword better
because of the search options. If I forget a verse I type
a keyword and the software finds a selection for me with
the keyword(s) included.


If not try
> it.
>
>
>

[MattB .]

Let these people that like war for the profit go and do the fighting.
We might have less wars.

I believe in helping people as long as they try to help themselves.
I've never understood what a place where the rent is free can get to
trashy. That is those that can help themselves.

We are helping the next problem in my view China.

>
> What this means is that I see Islam as a deadly threat to
> Christianity and the families right to be Christian or Mormon
> or even Muslim AS LONG AS the religious practices do not harm
> society or curtail their rights.
>
>
>
>> Careful. Self Control is the key.
>
> You're right.

I'm always right ;-)))))

>
>
>>
>> I do agree with what you on your comparison of John and Paul.
>
> I'm glad, thanks ! It's the law of natural progression; just as in
> power lines and electronics, the further one is from the source
> the more loss one accrues. Paul is a 2nd generation disciple that
> learned from some of the 1st, and their understanding of Christ's
> teachings were not perfect as He was always correcting them, but then
> in Paul's defense 1John wasn't around in his time,
> so misunderstanding are bound to happen. 1 John was thought to have

> been written near Ephesus between the years 95�110 AD, while Romans

> was thought to have been written near 55-58 AD. Paul died about the
> same time as Peter, near 66-68 AD during the reign of Nero the
> 2nd antichrist, so Paul had not seen nor heard of the Gospel of John
> or 1 John.

A man told me that Paul's teaching were more into forming the power of
the Church and not so much about what Christ wanted. On that I kept
my mouth shut. Like I did in the great war Between Pastor Dave and
Vera. Thing is in the end it was Vera and I that became friends.
Strange things happen.

>
>
>>
>> Ever read a red letter edition and only read the red?
>
> Yes, I have two of them here, but I like e sword better
> because of the search options. If I forget a verse I type
> a keyword and the software finds a selection for me with
> the keyword(s) included.

I like to go up in the mountains to read the Bible seems to be closer
to the source. That plus to long looking at a laptop that long
bothers the eyes. Getting old.

You will notice I am posting less. Sun is out close to 80. In
Washington you enjoy that while you can because you can be sure the
rain isn't far away.

>
>
> If not try
>> it.
>>
>>
>>

[Rod]

Hmmmm...my wife must be taking lessons from you...

>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I do agree with what you on your comparison of John and Paul.
>>
>> I'm glad, thanks ! It's the law of natural progression; just as in
>> power lines and electronics, the further one is from the source
>> the more loss one accrues. Paul is a 2nd generation disciple that
>> learned from some of the 1st, and their understanding of Christ's
>> teachings were not perfect as He was always correcting them, but then
>> in Paul's defense 1John wasn't around in his time,
>> so misunderstanding are bound to happen. 1 John was thought to have

>> been written near Ephesus between the years 95�110 AD, while Romans

>> was thought to have been written near 55-58 AD. Paul died about the
>> same time as Peter, near 66-68 AD during the reign of Nero the
>> 2nd antichrist, so Paul had not seen nor heard of the Gospel of John
>> or 1 John.
>
> A man told me that Paul's teaching were more into forming the power of
> the Church and not so much about what Christ wanted. On that I kept
> my mouth shut. Like I did in the great war Between Pastor Dave and
> Vera. Thing is in the end it was Vera and I that became friends.
> Strange things happen.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Ever read a red letter edition and only read the red?
>>
>> Yes, I have two of them here, but I like e sword better
>> because of the search options. If I forget a verse I type
>> a keyword and the software finds a selection for me with
>> the keyword(s) included.
>
> I like to go up in the mountains to read the Bible seems to be closer
> to the source. That plus to long looking at a laptop that long
> bothers the eyes. Getting old.

We both are.

>
> You will notice I am posting less. Sun is out close to 80.

It's a little cool here, 61 degrees.

In
> Washington you enjoy that while you can because you can be sure the
> rain isn't far away.

It's been raining here the last few days. The Flinthills haven't
greened up yet and the grass isn't growing on them so we may end up
having a bad few years here. The ranchers have been over grazing the
land the last 4 years anyway so it will probably take 30 years for the
grass to come back fully. We used to have prairie grass here that grew
to 16 feet tall. You could walk out on a hill and get lost easy. Now we
are lucky if we get grass 6 inches tall.


>
>>
>>
>> If not try
>>> it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>

[MattB .]

That is the exception Wife is always right. Makes life easier.

>
>
>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I do agree with what you on your comparison of John and Paul.
>>>
>>> I'm glad, thanks ! It's the law of natural progression; just as in
>>> power lines and electronics, the further one is from the source
>>> the more loss one accrues. Paul is a 2nd generation disciple that
>>> learned from some of the 1st, and their understanding of Christ's
>>> teachings were not perfect as He was always correcting them, but then
>>> in Paul's defense 1John wasn't around in his time,
>>> so misunderstanding are bound to happen. 1 John was thought to have

>>> been written near Ephesus between the years 95�110 AD, while Romans

I remember a tall grass east of Wichita. Horses liked it. That's
gone?


>
>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If not try
>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>

[Rod]

Lol !

>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I do agree with what you on your comparison of John and Paul.
>>>>
>>>> I'm glad, thanks ! It's the law of natural progression; just as in
>>>> power lines and electronics, the further one is from the source
>>>> the more loss one accrues. Paul is a 2nd generation disciple that
>>>> learned from some of the 1st, and their understanding of Christ's
>>>> teachings were not perfect as He was always correcting them, but then
>>>> in Paul's defense 1John wasn't around in his time,
>>>> so misunderstanding are bound to happen. 1 John was thought to have

>>>> been written near Ephesus between the years 95�110 AD, while Romans

Yes Matt, it's all gone now. In spite of the rain we have had, and
with all the ponds and lakes up and the rivers are up as well, but the
water table is down to 42% and all the prairie grass is gone. We have
already had bad prairie fires this early in the spring and there is
nothing for the farmers to burn off.




>
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If not try
>>>>> it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>

[Michael Christ]

Rod wrote:
>    You know....I'm thinking that free will unchecked isn't such a
> wonderful gift..

It is supplied by God to enable a man to choose whom he will serve.

If he chooses God the man's life is full of light, if he chooses Satan/
self then his life is full of darkness.

Full of one, or full of the other, there is no half-way house in the
Spirit.

The man of God has self control (a fruit of the Spirit) bestowed on
him by virtue of Spirit of God in Him, the man of sin has no self
control and follows after whatever depravity [selfishness, greed,
covetousness etc., etc.] goes before him.

Full of one, or full of the other, there is no half-way house in the
Spirit.

And never the twain shall meet.

Mat_6:24 (KJV) No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate
the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and
despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon [personification of
wealth and avarice as an evil spirit].




Michael Christ

[MattB .]

>>>>> been written near Ephesus between the years 95�110 AD, while Romans

That sucks haven't been to that area in close to 20 years. At least
hope the fishing at El Dorado is still good. Last time I was there
for any length of time they had just finished the Road from Wichita to
El Dorado.

Lets hope we don't get a repeat 1930s.


>
>
>
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If not try
>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>

[Rod]

>>>>>> been written near Ephesus between the years 95�110 AD, while Romans

I don't know, I haven't been fishing here yet, but I can tell you
that there is 28 feet of new shoreline showing at Eldorado lake. it is
down quite a way.

Last time I was there
> for any length of time they had just finished the Road from Wichita to
> El Dorado.

254 highway ? Yeah, I use it a lot transporting the kids. It's a
super nice highway, 4 lane 70 mph. It's well traveled. trucks use it and
tear the hell out of it. I'd like to see that stop.

>
> Lets hope we don't get a repeat 1930s.

Lets not even think it!



>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If not try
>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>

[Ike]

LOL

Nice try, moron.

Ike

[Ike]

You probably were.

Ike

[Ike]

...says the moron to the moron, neither one paying attention to John's
context, which is IMPUTED righteousness, not self-righteousness.

And what a fine pair of idiots we have here.

Ike

[Ike]

On 5/6/2013 9:45 AM, Michael Christ wrote...

...nothing of any consequence to anyone, especially a Christian.

Ike

[Ike]

...spoken in reference to IMPUTED righteousness, moron.

Go.

Learn.

The word is "context."

Ike

[Ike]

The moron thinks that Paul and John taught different things.

<chuckle>

Ike

[Ike]

On 5/6/2013 1:48 PM, Rod wrote:

> What this means is that I see Islam as a deadly threat to

> Christianity...

You don't even know what Christianity is, moron.

Ike

[Ike]

On 5/6/2013 4:40 PM, Michael Christ wrote:
> On May 6, 10:59 pm, Rod <nhraf...@gmail.com> wrote:


> Rod wrote:
>> You know....I'm thinking that free will unchecked isn't such a
>> wonderful gift..
>
> It is supplied by God to enable a man to choose whom he will serve.

You've received nothing from God, Antichristian, so how would you know?

> If he chooses God the man's life is full of light, if he chooses Satan/
> self then his life is full of darkness.

Which is why your life is full of darkness, antichristian.

> Full of one, or full of the other, there is no half-way house in the
> Spirit.

...said the fool who doesn't know what he's talking about.

Peter was "full of the Spirit," but STILL MADE MISTAKES, like
circumcising Gentiles.

So much for your childish "all or nothing" prattle.

> The man of God has self control (a fruit of the Spirit) bestowed on
> him by virtue of Spirit of God in Him, the man of sin has no self
> control and follows after whatever depravity [selfishness, greed,
> covetousness etc., etc.] goes before him.

That's NOT what Paul and John said, moron.

Rom 7:
14 � For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under
sin.
15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not;
but what I hate, that do I.
16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it
is good.
17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good
thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is
good I find not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not,
that I do.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin
that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my
mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my
members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this
death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I
myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

1Jn 1:
8 � If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth
is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our
sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

> Full of one, or full of the other, there is no half-way house in the
> Spirit.

That's not what Paul and John said, moron.

In fact, that EXACTLY what the sealing is all about, i.e. being
suspended between the two extremes until the day of redemption.

> And never the twain shall meet.
>
> Mat_6:24 (KJV) No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate
> the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and
> despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon [personification of
> wealth and avarice as an evil spirit].

Notice how Satan inserts his lies into the Word.

Jesus never said "wealth" was an evil spirit. In fact, RICHES is one of
GOD'S SEVEN SPIRITS.

Jesus said the LOVE of money is the root of all evil, not HAVING money
is the root of all evil.

Once again, you demonstrate that you're a fraud, Antichristian.

Ike

[Rod]

Hi daddy...

[Rod]

And this moron Ike is to stupid to know when teachings are
different...

what a liar you are Ike. do the world a favor and shut up

[Rod]

There is only one righteousness of value which is obvious, even
to a dimbulb like you.

Paul was wrong, so are you.

[Rod]

Well with a an unemployed drum teacher like you who ended his own
career because of his psychotic delusions, it's the root cause of
your insanity, you incompetent lout...

[Rod]

And yes, the words "Paul was wrong" carry the proper context,
you Paul worshiper.

It has been making itself abundantly clear to me in the past
few weeks that you aren't just a very mentally ill person, you are
also very evil and violent as well.

Idiots like you usually end up being the root cause of more
violence and end up as a statistic on some cops crime report,
it could be a well deserved end to your rampages on uselessnet!

Oh...just in case news of it doesn't reach me, good luck on
your new occupation as fertilizer....it would be a real miracle
if you could screw that up...!

[Rod]

Actually a point, not a try, you imbecile...

[Rod]

Learn to read, drum tutor..

[Ike]

On 5/7/2013 8:40 AM, Rod wrote:

> And this moron Ike is to stupid to know when teachings are
> different...

This moron is "to stupid" to write "too stupid."

Nevertheless, THEY TAUGHT THE SAME THING, moron.

Rom 13:
9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou
shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not
covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended
in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the
fulfilling of the law.

Jn 13:
34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I
have loved you, that ye also love one another.
35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love
one to another.

Now, where did John and Paul say DIFFERENT things in regards to the
Gospel, lunatic cultist?

Ike

[Ike]

Paul:

Rom 4-5:
23 � Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;
24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him
that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our
justification.
1 � Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through
our Lord Jesus Christ:
2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we
stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

John:

7 � Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old
commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the
word which ye have heard from the beginning.
8 Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him
and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth.
9 He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in
darkness even until now.
10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none
occasion of stumbling in him.
11 But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in
darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath
blinded his eyes.
12 � I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven
you for his name�s sake.
13 I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from
the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the
wicked one. I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the
Father.
14 I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is
from the beginning. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are
strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the
wicked one.

John

Jn 1:
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his
glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace
and truth.
15 � John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I
spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.
16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.
17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus
Christ.

SAME THING, moron.

John NEVER referenced the Ten Commandments (as you legalistic fools like
to think) but Jesus TWO commandments, which come with, and lead to, the
Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Ike

[Ike]

On 5/7/2013 8:46 AM, Rod wrote:
> On 5/7/2013 6:38 AM, Ike wrote:
>> On 5/6/2013 1:48 PM, Rod wrote:
>>
>>> What this means is that I see Islam as a deadly threat to
>>> Christianity...
>>
>> You don't even know what Christianity is, moron.
>>
>> Ike

[yawn and snip]

Repeat: YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT CHRISTIANITY IS, moron.

Ike

[Ike]

On 5/7/2013 8:56 AM, Rod wrote:

> And yes, the words "Paul was wrong" carry the proper context,
> you Paul worshiper.

LOL

John taught THE SAME THING AS PAUL, moron.

IJn 3:

9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth
in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Eph 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed
unto the day of redemption.

What John DIDN'T teach was YOUR LEGALISTIC CLAPTRAP, cultist.

So, like all heretics, you attack Paul because you falsely perceive that
Paul was teaching something different, when, in fact, JESUS, PAUL, JOHN,
AND PETER WERE ALL TEACHING THE SAME THING, just with different words.

Where do you cult morons come from?

Ike

[Ike]

...said the moron who thinks John and Paul taught different things.

John, saying THE SAME THING as Paul above...

1Jn 1:
8 � If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth
is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our
sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

How stupid can you be, cultist?

Ike

[Ike]

...said the moron with no education to the one who has one.

Ike

[duke]

Ike, I wouldn't give you a wooden nickel of your version.

The dukester, American - American

********************************************
Repeal Obama
You simply can't fix stupid.
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[Ike]

On 5/7/2013 4:31 PM, duke wrote:
> On Tue, 07 May 2013 12:26:15 -0400, Ike <xhermanei...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 5/7/2013 8:46 AM, Rod wrote:
>>> On 5/7/2013 6:38 AM, Ike wrote:
>>>> On 5/6/2013 1:48 PM, Rod wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What this means is that I see Islam as a deadly threat to
>>>>> Christianity...
>>>>
>>>> You don't even know what Christianity is, moron.
>>>>
>>>> Ike
>>
>> [yawn and snip]
>>
>> Repeat: YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT CHRISTIANITY IS, moron.
>> Ike
>
> Ike, I wouldn't give you a wooden nickel of your version.

Probably, since there is no "religion" in it, and you're so weak-willed
and feeble that you can't survive without it.

Too bad religion won't get you anywhere (as per the letters to Pergamos
and Thyatira).

Ike

[Rod]

oh Ike...your schools cannot teach me the art of natural
healing without surgery or medicine, and it cannot teach
me of my origins or my peoples history, and your college
cannot teach me how to comfort and love the sick and
infirm.

All the really important things to me cannot be found
in your colleges. You will forgive me if I do not envy
you.

Most of all Ike, your schools care nothing for teaching
it's students how to live with others, or love. It's
every man for himself with your kind, and always
has been so.

Day after day I see people killing each other over religion
and beliefs. How stupid, you're all human and yet you hate
one another over ideas. Foolish men, especially you Ike,
warlord of nothing.

I lack for nothing that I need. I do not envy you Ike,
but my heart feels compassion for you nevertheless.

A college degree may be a wonderful thing to have, but it
comes with no guarantee that the holder is intelligent enough
to understand and practice what they did learn their, between
beer parties and sex orgies.

And then you abandoned your education to write and preach
about something you had ZERO education in...

Yes Ike, you found out that to truly learn about the truth,
not all of it can be found in a book.

And look what you are doing now ! It certainly isn't teaching
in a school, is it Ike ?

Better be careful Ike, you might one day find yourself becoming human
again...

[Rod]

On 5/7/2013 11:31 AM, Ike wrote:
> On 5/7/2013 8:56 AM, Rod wrote:
>
>> And yes, the words "Paul was wrong" carry the proper context,
>> you Paul worshiper.
>
> LOL
>
> John taught THE SAME THING AS PAUL, moron.

And Paul gota part of it wrong. No surprise to me, even though it was
the same gospel.

>
> Where do you cult morons come from?

I should ask YOU that question Ike, you're the one who believes he
may be God......


Crazy.....




>
> Ike
>
>
>
>

[Rod]

Apparently not stupid enough to think I am God as you do, cultist...



>
> Ike
>
>

[Ike]

Thanks for yet again demonstrating that your only purpose in life is to
make an ass of yourself.

Ike

[Ike]

On 5/8/2013 8:31 PM, Rod wrote:
> On 5/7/2013 11:33 AM, Ike wrote:
>> On 5/7/2013 9:03 AM, Rod wrote:
>>> On 5/7/2013 6:35 AM, Ike wrote:
>>>> On 5/6/2013 9:45 AM, Michael Christ wrote...
>>>>
>>>> ...nothing of any consequence to anyone, especially a Christian.
>>>>
>>>> Ike
>>>
>>> Learn to read, drum tutor..
>>
>> ...said the moron with no education to the one who has one.
>>
>> Ike
>
>
> oh Ike...your schools cannot teach me the art of natural

> healing without surgery or medicine...

LOL

Pretty much as I thought--no education whatsoever, and ignorant as a box
of rocks (and not the good kind), practicing heathen religion while
despising God and His people.

Ike

[Ike]

On 5/8/2013 8:36 PM, Rod wrote:
> On 5/7/2013 11:31 AM, Ike wrote:
>> On 5/7/2013 8:56 AM, Rod wrote:
>>
>>> And yes, the words "Paul was wrong" carry the proper context,
>>> you Paul worshiper.
>>
>> LOL
>>
>> John taught THE SAME THING AS PAUL, moron.
>
>
> And Paul gota part of it wrong.

...says the heathen asshole after dispensing with all the facts.

Ike

[Rod]

And now you are going to stoop to name it and claim it theology,
Eikenboob ?

[Ike]

On 5/9/2013 11:12 PM, Rod wrote...

...nothing of any consequence to anyone, especially a Christian.

Meanwhile...

> On 5/9/2013 5:31 AM, Ike wrote:

>> Thanks for yet again demonstrating that your only purpose in life is to
>> make an ass of yourself.

End of report.

Ike

[duke]

On Tue, 07 May 2013 17:42:25 -0400, Ike <xhermanei...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 5/7/2013 4:31 PM, duke wrote:
>> On Tue, 07 May 2013 12:26:15 -0400, Ike <xhermanei...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/7/2013 8:46 AM, Rod wrote:
>>>> On 5/7/2013 6:38 AM, Ike wrote:
>>>>> On 5/6/2013 1:48 PM, Rod wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> What this means is that I see Islam as a deadly threat to
>>>>>> Christianity...
>>>>>
>>>>> You don't even know what Christianity is, moron.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ike
>>>
>>> [yawn and snip]
>>>
>>> Repeat: YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT CHRISTIANITY IS, moron.
>>> Ike
>>
>> Ike, I wouldn't give you a wooden nickel of your version.

>Probably, since there is no "religion" in it, and you're so weak-willed
>and feeble that you can't survive without it.

From wiki:
Religion is an organized collection of belief systems, cultural systems, and
world views that relate humanity to spirituality and, sometimes, to moral
values.[

My "religion" was given to us by God in the OT and by Jesus in the NT.

You don't have a clue as to what God said. And you well reflect that daily.

[duke]

A typical garbage statement by ike: it says exactly nothing, and which exactly
matches his own knowledge.

>Ike

[duke]

>>> 8 ś If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth

>>> is not in us.
>>> 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our
>>> sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
>>>
>>> How stupid can you be, cultist?
>>
>>
>> Apparently not stupid enough to think I am God as you do, cultist...
>
>Thanks for yet again demonstrating that your only purpose in life is to
>make an ass of yourself.
>Ike

See what I mean.

[duke]

Again, nothing, absolutely nothing, in ike's words.

>
>Ike

[Ike]

>>>> 8 � If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth

>>>> is not in us.
>>>> 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our
>>>> sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
>>>>
>>>> How stupid can you be, cultist?
>>>
>>>
>>> Apparently not stupid enough to think I am God as you do, cultist...
>>
>> Thanks for yet again demonstrating that your only purpose in life is to
>> make an ass of yourself.
>> Ike
>
> See what I mean.

Same with you.

Ike

[Ike]

On 5/10/2013 12:14 PM, duke wrote:
> On Tue, 07 May 2013 17:42:25 -0400, Ike <xhermanei...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 5/7/2013 4:31 PM, duke wrote:
>>> On Tue, 07 May 2013 12:26:15 -0400, Ike <xhermanei...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/7/2013 8:46 AM, Rod wrote:
>>>>> On 5/7/2013 6:38 AM, Ike wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/6/2013 1:48 PM, Rod wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What this means is that I see Islam as a deadly threat to
>>>>>>> Christianity...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You don't even know what Christianity is, moron.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ike
>>>>
>>>> [yawn and snip]
>>>>
>>>> Repeat: YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT CHRISTIANITY IS, moron.
>>>> Ike
>>>
>>> Ike, I wouldn't give you a wooden nickel of your version.
>
>> Probably, since there is no "religion" in it, and you're so weak-willed
>> and feeble that you can't survive without it.
> From wiki:
> Religion is an organized collection of belief systems, cultural systems, and
> world views that relate humanity to spirituality and, sometimes, to moral
> values.[
>
> My "religion" was given to us by God in the OT and by Jesus in the NT.

Nope.

Most everything in your religion is now the OPPOSITE of what Jesus
taught and started.

Ike

[Ike]

On 5/10/2013 12:16 PM, duke wrote:

> On Thu, 09 May 2013 06:33:15 -0400, Ike <xhermanei...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 5/8/2013 8:36 PM, Rod wrote:
>>> On 5/7/2013 11:31 AM, Ike wrote:
>>>> On 5/7/2013 8:56 AM, Rod wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> And yes, the words "Paul was wrong" carry the proper context,
>>>>> you Paul worshiper.
>>>>
>>>> LOL
>>>>
>>>> John taught THE SAME THING AS PAUL, moron.
>>>
>>>
>>> And Paul gota part of it wrong.
>>
>> ...says the heathen asshole after dispensing with all the facts.
>
> A typical garbage statement by ike: it says exactly nothing, and which exactly
> matches his own knowledge.

It says everything, fool; you're simply too dumb to perceive it.

Ike

[duke]

Mine was. Your garbage could have come from any where.

>Most everything in your religion is now the OPPOSITE of what Jesus
>taught and started.

Yet we do EXACTLY what Jesus said. Why don't you?

[duke]

Maybe you can make something of "...says the heathen asshole after dispensing
with all the facts." I gather you couldn't name any. But that's nothing new.
You never can support your garbage you spew.

[Rod]

Then offer me course work in useful things Ike ! Teach me how to
comfort a terminally ill patient and give them confidence in their
faith, teach me how to help them face this ending with courage and
dignity without fearing for the future of their families. Teach me
how to comfort the families and heal them.


Can your colleges do these things for them ? If they cam I will
go.

This is the path I have chosen to walk. If your colleges cannot
teach me these things, why would I want to go ?

[Rod]

I was told that Ike believes that he may be God Himself...
but who knows for certain ? Getting anything out of Ike
is like trying to unscrew the screw in a cork screw...

[Up from the Abyss]

"Michael Christ" wrote:
> Up from the Abyss wrote:
> > "Michael Christ" wrote:
> >>
> >> Your friend,
> >
> > Why do I get the sudden urge to vomit every time
> > I see you sign a post "Your friend"? Or, every time
> > I see one of your putrid smiley faces.
>
> God gives you the urge to vomit, atheist, so anyone
> that speaks spiritual truth would.

LMAO! So, if I stick my finger down your throat
that is actually "God" giving you the urge to vomit?


> You are so in love with yourself as to deny God the
> creator. You don't know me and you don't know
> who I am, you haven't got a clue.

Actually, I have read enough of you, and inquired
enough of you, that I know exactly who you are
with regard to "God". You worship a "God" of
your own creation, or your own choosing.


> You are a fool, Abyss. As if what you feel is the
> measure of reality! Get out from in front of the
> mirror, pretty boy, and you might actually start
> seeing something.

Yet, I see right through you.

[Up from the Abyss]

"Rod" wrote:
> Ike wrote:
> >

<snip>

> 1John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin;

> for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he
> is born of God.
>

> So those saints WITH the Holy Spirit CANNOT SIN,
> hence your words are once again LIES, anti christ..

*IF* that were true, then those all those who ever received
the HS could never have sinned. Which is in stark contrast
to several other places in the "Bible".

Inclusive of 1 John 2:1.

Man still has the freedom of choice. To walk according
to the Spirit, or according to the flesh. It is a daily, and
sometimes moment by moment choice for some. For those
well-trained, it becomes as second nature to choose to do
the "good" they know they should do and not walk after
the flesh.

But even then, there are moments of choice. Moments
in which they also must make a conscience decision to
do that which is right, or to sin.

[Up from the Abyss]

"Rod" wrote:
>
> I was told that Ike believes that he may be God Himself...
> but who knows for certain ? Getting anything out of Ike
> is like trying to unscrew the screw in a cork screw...

He has a "messiah" or "saviour" complex. In all probability,
he already views himself as one of the two witnesses yet to
be revealed.

[Ike]

Thanks for proving your a false accuser, Satan, as I never stated nor
insinuated such a thing.

My, my, but you're a poor loser.

Ike

[Michael Christ]

Said the blind man who denies God.

You can't see yourself let alone anyone else.

That's reality, not the endless prattle you like see yourself expound
on.

All your ravings will amount to nothing, and then you'll have to 'take
it like a man'. Yeah right; you are a stubborn fool.




Michael Christ

[Michael Christ]

You are talking about a man-made christian.

A real Christian has surrendered his life and will to God, and his
life is hide in Christ. Meaning you (the world) can't see that.

For example 'Thus says the Lord, 'Tough titties'.

:-).

A son of God is not bound by your stinking morals.

You had your chance.


Michael Christ

[Rod]

Do I need to quote Abrams ? You have evidently at some point
said something that led others to believe this.

[Rod]

> Ike
>
>

No...the question IS how blind can YOU be, cultist ? It doesn't say
the same thing to me at all !! Not even CLOSE too being the same !

[Rod]

>>>> 8 � If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth

>>>> is not in us.
>>>> 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our
>>>> sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
>>>>
>>>> How stupid can you be, cultist?
>>>
>>>
>>> Apparently not stupid enough to think I am God as you do, cultist...
>>
>> Thanks for yet again demonstrating that your only purpose in life is to
>> make an ass of yourself.
>> Ike
>
> See what I mean.

Okay...where did I go wrong and why ?

[Rod]

On 5/12/2013 8:53 PM, Up from the Abyss wrote:
> "Rod" wrote:
>> Ike wrote:
>>>
>
> <snip>
>
>> 1John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin;
>> for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he
>> is born of God.
>>
>> So those saints WITH the Holy Spirit CANNOT SIN,
>> hence your words are once again LIES, anti christ..
>
> *IF* that were true, then those all those who ever received
> the HS could never have sinned. Which is in stark contrast
> to several other places in the "Bible".
>
> Inclusive of 1 John 2:1.

Then this is just more evidence that some of those in 1 John 2:1
did NOT have the Holy Spirit. Do you see anywhere in 1 John 2 where
it says they have the Holy Spirit ? I looked and I couldn't find a
word about those he spoke to having it.

>
> Man still has the freedom of choice. To walk according
> to the Spirit, or according to the flesh.

Right now, yes. After receiving the HS....I'm thinking it's
still there with limits placed upon it.

> It is a daily, and
> sometimes moment by moment choice for some. For those
> well-trained, it becomes as second nature to choose to do
> the "good" they know they should do and not walk after
> the flesh.

I'm thinking that the choice of doing evil has been removed
from them, but as to choosing between one good and another,
they still can choose with limited free will.

[Michael Christ]

All the evil intent has been removed, permanently. Such is the power
of God.

All the free will to do whatever you want, but when the Lord calls the
heart responds to His voice because it is inclined unto Him naturally.

:-). It is a beautiful thing.

Tit_1:15 (KJV) Unto the pure all things are pure:

1Co_6:12 (KJV) All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not
expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought
under the power of any.

1Co_10:23 (KJV) All things are lawful for me, but all things are not
expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.

The expedience and the not expedient is determined by the Lord,
depending on what His will is at that moment.



Michael Christ

[Rod]

On 5/6/2013 5:43 AM, Ike wrote:
> On 5/5/2013 10:05 AM, Michael Christ wrote:
>> Ike wrote:
>>> Fuck you.
>>
>> Ike wrote:
>>> Of course not, cunt: You're just here to argue for the sake of arguing;
>>> otherwise, you would have no purpose in life.
>>
>> The above was not written to me but curiously it was written on the
>> thread...
>>
>> 'Saints and sinners'.
>>
>> "There are saints.
>> There are sinners.
>> But there are no 'Saint sinners'."
>
> And that's the lie.
>
> ALL Saints are sinners.

No...they are not. Those that sin do not know Christ
but they are on the path just as I am seeking Him.

But those that claim they are saints and still sin
are compounding their lies by saying so.

>
> Anyone who says otherwise is the liar, to whit...

John says different, liar, and he studied directly under Christ
while Paul received flawed teachings. Whose word will I take ? It will
not be yours or Pauls!

>
> Rom 7:
> 18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good
> thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is
> good I find not.
> 19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not,
> that I do.

Here Paul speaks of man's general condition BEFORE being gifted with
the Holy Spirit, as well as speaking from his personal experience, so in
essence Paul was a follower of Christ, but not sinless nor gifted with
the Holy Spirit.

> 20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin
> that dwelleth in me.

And here Paul admits to sin, so the Holy Spirit is NOT in him.


Your teachings amount to GIBBERISH, liar Eikleberry...

[Michael Christ]

No doubt about that.

However, after Thursday morning I could explain Romans 7 with you if
you like (offline), Rod. I think you should listen to what I have to
say.




Michael Christ

[Ike]

Where did Jesus say "start another religion like that of the
Babylonians, the Pharisees, the Sadducees, etc, only make it worse?"

Ike

[Rod]

You know the address..

[Rod]

On 5/9/2013 5:32 AM, Ike wrote:
> On 5/8/2013 8:31 PM, Rod wrote:
>> On 5/7/2013 11:33 AM, Ike wrote:
>>> On 5/7/2013 9:03 AM, Rod wrote:
>>>> On 5/7/2013 6:35 AM, Ike wrote:
>>>>> On 5/6/2013 9:45 AM, Michael Christ wrote...
>>>>>
>>>>> ...nothing of any consequence to anyone, especially a Christian.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ike
>>>>
>>>> Learn to read, drum tutor..
>>>
>>> ...said the moron with no education to the one who has one.
>>>
>>> Ike
>>
>>
>> oh Ike...your schools cannot teach me the art of natural
>> healing without surgery or medicine...
>
> LOL
>
> Pretty much as I thought--no education whatsoever, and ignorant as a box
> of rocks (and not the good kind), practicing heathen religion while
> despising God and His people.
>

> Ike
>

What heathen religion do I practice Ike, or don't you know ?

[Rod]

On 5/7/2013 11:25 AM, Ike wrote:
> On 5/7/2013 8:43 AM, Rod wrote:
>> On 5/7/2013 6:34 AM, Ike wrote:
>>> On 5/6/2013 9:35 AM, Michael Christ wrote:

>>>> On May 6, 9:06 pm, Rod <nhraf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 5/6/2013 5:43 AM, Ike wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/5/2013 10:05 AM, Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>> Ike wrote:
>>>>>>>> Fuck you.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ike wrote:
>>>>>>>> Of course not, cunt: You're just here to argue for the sake of
>>>>>>>> arguing;
>>>>>>>> otherwise, you would have no purpose in life.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> The above was not written to me but curiously it was written on the
>>>>>>> thread...
>>>>>
>>>>>>> 'Saints and sinners'.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> "There are saints.
>>>>>>> There are sinners.
>>>>>>> But there are no 'Saint sinners'."
>>>>>
>>>>>> And that's the lie.
>>>>>
>>>>>> ALL Saints are sinners.
>>>>>

>>>>>> Anyone who says otherwise is the liar, to whit...
>>>>>

>>>>>> Rom 7:
>>>>>> 18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good
>>>>>> thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that
>>>>>> which is
>>>>>> good I find not.
>>>>>> 19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would
>>>>>> not,
>>>>>> that I do.

>>>>>> 20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin
>>>>>> that dwelleth in me.

>>>>>> 21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present
>>>>>> with me.
>>>>>> 22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
>>>>>> 23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law
>>>>>> of my
>>>>>> mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my
>>>>>> members.
>>>>>> 24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> death?
>>>>>> 25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the
>>>>>> mind I
>>>>>> myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ike
>>>>

>>>> Rod wrote:
>>>>> Sorry Ike, you're wrong once again. Romans is SPURIOUS! John
>>>>> was a
>>>>> disciple and studied DIRECTLY under Christ, and 1 John says
>>>>>
>>>>> 1John 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth
>>>>> hath
>>>>> not seen him, neither known him.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1John 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth
>>>>> righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil
>>>>> sinneth
>>>>> from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested,
>>>>> that
>>>>> he might destroy the works of the devil.

>>>>>
>>>>> 1John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed
>>>>> remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
>>>>>
>>>>> So those saints WITH the Holy Spirit CANNOT SIN, hence your words
>>>>> are once again LIES, anti christ..
>>>>

>>>> Praise the Lord, hey that is pretty good, Rod.
>>>
>>> ...says the moron to the moron, neither one paying attention to John's
>>> context, which is IMPUTED righteousness,
>>
>> There is only one righteousness of value which is obvious, even
>> to a dimbulb like you.
>>
>> Paul was wrong, so are you.
>
> Paul:
>
> Rom 4-5:
> 23 � Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to
> him;
> 24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him
> that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
> 25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our
> justification.
> 1 � Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through
> our Lord Jesus Christ:
> 2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we
> stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
>
> John:
>
> 7 � Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old
> commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the
> word which ye have heard from the beginning.
> 8 Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him
> and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth.
> 9 He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in
> darkness even until now.
> 10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none
> occasion of stumbling in him.
> 11 But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in
> darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath
> blinded his eyes.
> 12 � I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven
> you for his name�s sake.
> 13 I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from
> the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the
> wicked one. I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the
> Father.
> 14 I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is
> from the beginning. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are
> strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the
> wicked one.
>
> John
>
> Jn 1:
> 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his
> glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace
> and truth.
> 15 � John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I
> spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before
> me.
> 16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.
> 17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus
> Christ.
>
> SAME THING, moron.
>
> John NEVER referenced the Ten Commandments (as you legalistic fools like
> to think) but Jesus TWO commandments, which come with, and lead to, the
> Gospel of Jesus Christ.
>
> Ike
>

In essence they are the same, the laws of Love.

[Rod]

On 5/7/2013 11:19 AM, Ike wrote:
> On 5/7/2013 8:40 AM, Rod wrote:
>
>> And this moron Ike is to stupid to know when teachings are
>> different...
>
> This moron is "to stupid" to write "too stupid."

Okay...I'll correct it now. You are "too stupid"
to know you are stupid.

Happy now, inbreeding imbecile ?

[Ike]

On 5/13/2013 1:19 PM, Rod wrote:
> On 5/6/2013 5:43 AM, Ike wrote:
>> On 5/5/2013 10:05 AM, Michael Christ wrote:
>>> Ike wrote:
>>>> Fuck you.
>>>
>>> Ike wrote:
>>>> Of course not, cunt: You're just here to argue for the sake of arguing;
>>>> otherwise, you would have no purpose in life.
>>>
>>> The above was not written to me but curiously it was written on the
>>> thread...
>>>
>>> 'Saints and sinners'.
>>>
>>> "There are saints.
>>> There are sinners.
>>> But there are no 'Saint sinners'."
>>
>> And that's the lie.
>>
>> ALL Saints are sinners.
>
> No...they are not.

YES, THEY ARE, moron.

1Jn 1:
8 � If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth
is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our
sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

SAINTS = CONFESSING SINNERS (right up until the day they die).

ANTICHRISTIANS are SELF-AGGRANDIZING ASSHOLES WHO CLAIM THEY'RE NOT
SINNERS (like Michael Antichrist, et al).

> Those that sin do not know Christ
> but they are on the path just as I am seeking Him.

You have no idea what the Gospel is, moron.

>> Anyone who says otherwise is the liar, to whit...
>

> John says different...

Bullshit.

Paul and John and Jesus SAID THE SAME THING where the Gospel is concerned.

I posted that repeatedly, and YOU BLEW IT OFF, because it PROVED YOU'RE
AN LIAR (and a lousy one at that).

>> Rom 7:
>> 18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good
>> thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is
>> good I find not.
>> 19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not,
>> that I do.
>
> Here Paul speaks of man's general condition BEFORE being gifted with
> the Holy Spirit, as well as speaking from his personal experience, so in
> essence Paul was a follower of Christ, but not sinless nor gifted with
> the Holy Spirit.
>
>
>> 20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin
>> that dwelleth in me.
>
> And here Paul admits to sin, so the Holy Spirit is NOT in him.

Antichristian bullshit.

JOHN SAID THE SAME THING, moron, ONLY MORE SUCCINCTLY.

1Jn 1:
8 � If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth
is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our
sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Can you be any more ignorant?

Ike

[Ike]

On 5/12/2013 9:15 AM, Rod wrote:
> On 5/9/2013 5:32 AM, Ike wrote:
>> On 5/8/2013 8:31 PM, Rod wrote:
>>> On 5/7/2013 11:33 AM, Ike wrote:
>>>> On 5/7/2013 9:03 AM, Rod wrote:
>>>>> On 5/7/2013 6:35 AM, Ike wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/6/2013 9:45 AM, Michael Christ wrote...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...nothing of any consequence to anyone, especially a Christian.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ike
>>>>>
>>>>> Learn to read, drum tutor..
>>>>
>>>> ...said the moron with no education to the one who has one.
>>>>
>>>> Ike
>>>
>>>
>>> oh Ike...your schools cannot teach me the art of natural
>>> healing without surgery or medicine...
>>
>> LOL
>>
>> Pretty much as I thought--no education whatsoever, and ignorant as a box
>> of rocks (and not the good kind), practicing heathen religion while
>> despising God and His people.
>>
>
>
> Then offer me course work in useful things Ike !

Why?

You're not even remotely interested in the truth, heathen.

Ike

[Ike]

I stated everything quite clearly...

...and got no response from you, buffoon.

Typical.

Ike

[Ike]

Simplistic...and false...nonsense, rebuked by both Paul and John.

Paul:

Romans 7:
14 � For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under
sin.
15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not;
but what I hate, that do I.
16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it
is good.
17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good
thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is
good I find not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not,
that I do.

20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin
that dwelleth in me.

21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my
mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my
members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this
death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I
myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

John:

1Jn 1:
8 � If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth
is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our
sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

People...even Christians...live in a TENSION between heaven and hell,
and there isn't a damn thing they can do about it except to accept the
Gospel, and rely on the mercy of the Court, and Jesus' imputed
righteousness (not their own merits).

You sound as bad as Job's babbling accusers, who kept trying to make
Job's problem JOB'S fault instead of God simply demonstrating a point
through Job.

Ike

[Ike]

On 5/13/2013 8:41 AM, Rod wrote:
> On 5/13/2013 5:53 AM, Ike wrote:
>> On 5/12/2013 9:54 PM, Up from the Abyss wrote:
>>> "Rod" wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I was told that Ike believes that he may be God Himself...
>>>> but who knows for certain ? Getting anything out of Ike
>>>> is like trying to unscrew the screw in a cork screw...
>>>
>>> He has a "messiah" or "saviour" complex. In all probability,
>>> he already views himself as one of the two witnesses yet to
>>> be revealed.
>>
>> Thanks for proving your a false accuser, Satan, as I never stated nor
>> insinuated such a thing.
>>
>> My, my, but you're a poor loser.
>>
>> Ike
>>
>
> Do I need to quote Abrams ?

LOL

Now Satan is going to quote Satan.

That's rich.

Ike

[Ike]

Ah, so you're illiterate as well as stupid.

Got it.

Ike

[Ike]

On 5/13/2013 10:03 AM, Michael Christ wrote:

[snippeth]

> All the free will to do whatever you want, but when the Lord calls the
> heart responds to His voice because it is inclined unto Him naturally.

You wouldn't know; you've never listened to Him, as you STILL have no
idea what the Gospel is.

Ike

[Rod]

I'm sure hat everyone is waiting with baited breath to see what you
have to say now...satan...



>
> That's rich.

Do you want to applaud yourself too ? Go ahead and give yourself some
applause Ike, I don't mind...

>
> Ike
>

So instead of a direct answer, you do a little dance and hurl
some accusations and insults to avoid having the truth about you
exposed....

Behavior typical of a Christian tv evangelist or a crooked politician.

Thanks for exposing your ass to the world...but no one ever asked
to see it.

[Rod]

Argument is all you seek. Say hi to my kill file, your words
are worthless.

>
> You're not even remotely interested in the truth, heathen.

Not much chance of hearing that from you.


>
> Ike
>

[Michael Christ]

You go down a street only as far as you want to, Ike.

And that is your undoing.

You do want to remain in your sin and be content with it by burying it
in theology that 'seems' to support it...but does not. No scripture
supports a sin lifestyle.

The Lord is not a moron, Ike, like you. He sees the heart, He sees
the intent and the motive.

You are like a naked man standing in the middle of a football stadium,
scratching your balls, and thinking no one can see.



Michael Christ

[Michael Christ]

The gospel ain't 'I am happy the way I am, and I will collect my
reward at the end of the day on account of my theology', Moron.



Michael Christ

[Rod]

On 5/13/2013 11:00 PM, Ike wrote:

> On 5/12/2013 9:15 AM, Rod wrote:
>> On 5/9/2013 5:32 AM, Ike wrote:
>>> On 5/8/2013 8:31 PM, Rod wrote:
>>>> On 5/7/2013 11:33 AM, Ike wrote:
>>>>> On 5/7/2013 9:03 AM, Rod wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/7/2013 6:35 AM, Ike wrote:
>>>>>>> On 5/6/2013 9:45 AM, Michael Christ wrote...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ...nothing of any consequence to anyone, especially a Christian.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ike
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Learn to read, drum tutor..
>>>>>
>>>>> ...said the moron with no education to the one who has one.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ike
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> oh Ike...your schools cannot teach me the art of natural
>>>> healing without surgery or medicine...
>>>
>>> LOL
>>>
>>> Pretty much as I thought--no education whatsoever, and ignorant as a box
>>> of rocks (and not the good kind), practicing heathen religion while
>>> despising God and His people.

What heathen religion am I practicing, Ike, or

don't you know ?



>>>
>>
>>

>> Then offer me course work in useful things Ike !
>
> Why?

What kind of question is this ?? You went to all the trouble to
ridicule me just to humble me when I already am ? is this what
your studies in theology have come to ? Oh...that's right...you
didn't major in theology, did you ?

You're a music major. How did a music major prepare you for work
in theology and ancient religions ?

Perhaps I should spend 80,000 of your borrowed dollars and become
a music major too, then I can come to usenet and show the people how
brilliant I am in the field of theology !

of course since there isn't a demand for music majors in the field
of anthropology and ancient religions I may have a hard time paying
off all those student loans so I'll just lay the burden for that on
my wife! and hope her salary can cover living costs and loan
payments ! In the meantime I'll write a book on a subject that
isn't mildly related to my degree in any way, something that I know
less than nothing about. To be successful I'll have to make up crazy
stuff taken from the morman religion and make it mine, and hope that
no one notices what I have done, and just hope with all my band
education that my E-Book sells !


Yes! I sold 3 copies on Amazon already ! I can take my wife out to
Burger Kind for lunch@!! next month after the fourth copy sells..

Yes !! We all so want to be like YOU Ike ! In debt and unemployed,
forcing
the women we love to pay off our bills while we set at home posting
angry and hateful things on usenet all day!


Can you tell me again what she see's in you ???

>
> You're not even remotely interested in the truth, heathen.

I'm reasonably certain that we have much of it already Ike...
but thanks anyway....




>
> Ike
>

[Rod]

And your education in music has prepared you well for
the field of anthropology and ancient religions and
interpretation of the verses, hasn't it Ike...


Tell me again how an education in music qualifies you to
teach ancient religions and interpret bible verses ....?



>
> Got it.

You have something alright. A book that won't sell well,
a wife doomed to pay off your student loans, and if you're
lucky...your degree might get you a job at burger king.

Of course with your charm and wit...there isn't much chance
that they will let you wait on customers !

>
> Ike
>

[Rod]

On 5/13/2013 11:00 PM, Ike wrote:

> On 5/13/2013 1:19 PM, Rod wrote:
>> On 5/6/2013 5:43 AM, Ike wrote:
>>> On 5/5/2013 10:05 AM, Michael Christ wrote:
>>>> Ike wrote:
>>>>> Fuck you.
>>>>
>>>> Ike wrote:
>>>>> Of course not, cunt: You're just here to argue for the sake of
>>>>> arguing;
>>>>> otherwise, you would have no purpose in life.
>>>>
>>>> The above was not written to me but curiously it was written on the
>>>> thread...
>>>>
>>>> 'Saints and sinners'.
>>>>
>>>> "There are saints.
>>>> There are sinners.
>>>> But there are no 'Saint sinners'."
>>>
>>> And that's the lie.
>>>
>>> ALL Saints are sinners.
>>
>> No...they are not.
>
> YES, THEY ARE, moron.

NO THEY ARE NOT, Inbred retard. There is not so much as a hint
in any one of those verses about these believers being SAINTS,
not so much as one line calling them SAINTS.


You are making up your theology as you go along, adding words
to the verses to make your theology "appear" to be correct
when in fact YOU are goddamned LIAR !!

1John 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath
not seen him, neither known him.

1John 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth
righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

1John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth
from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that
he might destroy the works of the devil.

1John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed
remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

The truth IS Ike that you don't have a clue one what is going on or
how the followers of Christ progress in knowledge of God and His laws
over time.


1 John 1 is teaching the followers of Christ that they have sinned
and what they must do about it.

1 John 3 is making it clear to them that they are not SAINTS until
until they have received the Holy Spirit and are made sinless.


Your religion is a huge lie because of LIARS like YOU, Ike...

>
> 1Jn 1:
> 8 � If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth
> is not in us.
> 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our
> sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

And here John is speaking to those who have not received the Holy Spirit.

>
> SAINTS = CONFESSING SINNERS (right up until the day they die).

LIAR. 1 John 3:6-9 is calling YOU and YOUR ILK LIARS ! get used to
it, heathen antichrist !