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Virgil
Jul 9, 2012, 1:44:01 AM7/9/12
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<a2537159-cdbf-44be...@h10g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
Jope <jop...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 8, 7:13�pm, casey <jgkjca...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> > What happens after we die can be answered if we
> > understand what we are before we die.
> >
> > So we don't have to wait until we die to answer
> > the question. And even if we "found ourselves in
> > heaven or hell" after death it wouldn't prove
> > life after death only that whatever appeared in
> > heaven or hell had the memory of someone who
> > once lived. So you will not find out for sure
> > if you (the now you in heaven or hell) really
> > existed once before after death.
> >
> > All the evidence is that we are a brain process.
> >
> > The brain creates a model of its environment and
> > that includes a model of itself both as a physical
> > entity and as a process creating that model.
> >
> > The brain is continually changing so what is it
> > that continues while the brain is intact that can
> > be called the Self.
> >
> > In a dreamless sleep or coma the Self is "turned off".
> > When the brain awakes the Self returns once again.
> > At least the Self experiences itself as returning
> > again because it has a episodic memory system.
> >
> > That Self can access memories of previous brain states
> > which included itself as being present.
> >
> > In reality you only experience yourself as the same
> > person throughout your life because at any give time
> > you have access to a episodic memory. Without it
> > you would have to say you have just "woken up" which
> > is exactly what subjects with certain brain damage
> > do say. You would deny that you existed as an awake
> > person 10 minutes ago when in fact you did exist as
> > an awake person.
> >
> > It is this NOW memory of a past and predicted future
> > that makes up the continual and yet changing Self.
>
> I know of somebody who while doing a breathing exercise got out of his
> body.
> And while standing at an elevated position inside the room , he saw
> his very own body lying in bed.
> The soul is the real you,the body is just a shell .If you die as an
> atheist ,eternal torments await.
Until science has verified the existence of a 'soul' whose life is
independent of that of the body, it is merely myth that
(1) anyone has anything like a soul at all, and
(2) that such a soul could survive the death of the body in which it
allegedly resides.
--
<a2537159-cdbf-44be...@h10g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
Jope <jop...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 8, 7:13�pm, casey <jgkjca...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> > What happens after we die can be answered if we
> > understand what we are before we die.
> >
> > So we don't have to wait until we die to answer
> > the question. And even if we "found ourselves in
> > heaven or hell" after death it wouldn't prove
> > life after death only that whatever appeared in
> > heaven or hell had the memory of someone who
> > once lived. So you will not find out for sure
> > if you (the now you in heaven or hell) really
> > existed once before after death.
> >
> > All the evidence is that we are a brain process.
> >
> > The brain creates a model of its environment and
> > that includes a model of itself both as a physical
> > entity and as a process creating that model.
> >
> > The brain is continually changing so what is it
> > that continues while the brain is intact that can
> > be called the Self.
> >
> > In a dreamless sleep or coma the Self is "turned off".
> > When the brain awakes the Self returns once again.
> > At least the Self experiences itself as returning
> > again because it has a episodic memory system.
> >
> > That Self can access memories of previous brain states
> > which included itself as being present.
> >
> > In reality you only experience yourself as the same
> > person throughout your life because at any give time
> > you have access to a episodic memory. Without it
> > you would have to say you have just "woken up" which
> > is exactly what subjects with certain brain damage
> > do say. You would deny that you existed as an awake
> > person 10 minutes ago when in fact you did exist as
> > an awake person.
> >
> > It is this NOW memory of a past and predicted future
> > that makes up the continual and yet changing Self.
>
> I know of somebody who while doing a breathing exercise got out of his
> body.
> And while standing at an elevated position inside the room , he saw
> his very own body lying in bed.
> The soul is the real you,the body is just a shell .If you die as an
> atheist ,eternal torments await.
Until science has verified the existence of a 'soul' whose life is
independent of that of the body, it is merely myth that
(1) anyone has anything like a soul at all, and
(2) that such a soul could survive the death of the body in which it
allegedly resides.
--
gladys swager
Jul 9, 2012, 3:28:28 AM7/9/12
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On Monday, July 9, 2012, Virgil wrote:
> Jope wrote:
Haven't you just theory in what you have posted above.
There is one account of one person who survived after death
and being in a sealed tomb so that no one could enter it to revive Him
The record is in the New Testament - certified as dead by the Roman centurian
and placed in a tomb with a large rock rolled down an incline to close the entrance.
As I am typing I am recalling a text, "Who moved the Stone"
written by a man who was a skeptic until he did a thorough investigation
of the evidence. I will check it out and post again.
Gladys Swager
> Jope wrote:
There is one account of one person who survived after death
and being in a sealed tomb so that no one could enter it to revive Him
The record is in the New Testament - certified as dead by the Roman centurian
and placed in a tomb with a large rock rolled down an incline to close the entrance.
As I am typing I am recalling a text, "Who moved the Stone"
written by a man who was a skeptic until he did a thorough investigation
of the evidence. I will check it out and post again.
Gladys Swager
gladys swager
Jul 9, 2012, 3:44:40 AM7/9/12
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On Monday, July 9, 2012, gladys swager wrote:
> Haven't you just theory in what you have posted above.
> There is one account of one person who survived after death
> and being in a sealed tomb so that no one could enter it to revive Him
> The record is in the New Testament - certified as dead by the Roman centurian
> and placed in a tomb with a large rock rolled down an incline to close the entrance.
> As I am typing I am recalling a text, "Who moved the Stone"
> written by a man who was a skeptic until he did a thorough investigation
> of the evidence.
www.gospeltruth.net/whomovedthestone.htm
> Haven't you just theory in what you have posted above.
> There is one account of one person who survived after death
> and being in a sealed tomb so that no one could enter it to revive Him
> The record is in the New Testament - certified as dead by the Roman centurian
> and placed in a tomb with a large rock rolled down an incline to close the entrance.
> As I am typing I am recalling a text, "Who moved the Stone"
> written by a man who was a skeptic until he did a thorough investigation
> of the evidence.
Gladys Swager
Virgil
Jul 9, 2012, 3:10:10 PM7/9/12
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In article
<f20605c5-617b-4b9f...@f16g2000yqg.googlegroups.com>,
The body is detectable, the alleged soul is not, so its existence at all
is purely a matter of faith, like the one common faith in a flat Earth
or in the Earth-centered univers.e
As far as anyone can prove, death is the end, and when life ends what
remains is without life.
--
<f20605c5-617b-4b9f...@f16g2000yqg.googlegroups.com>,
The body is detectable, the alleged soul is not, so its existence at all
is purely a matter of faith, like the one common faith in a flat Earth
or in the Earth-centered univers.e
As far as anyone can prove, death is the end, and when life ends what
remains is without life.
--
Virgil
Jul 11, 2012, 1:57:42 AM7/11/12
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In article
<Jason-10071...@66-53-219-253.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article
> <66b36f68-68fe-4fa4...@q5g2000pba.googlegroups.com>, Yap
> <hhya...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jul 11, 3:37=A0am, Father Haskell <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > On Jul 10, 3:35=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > >
> > > > In article <jthu6r$o...@speranza.aioe.org>, "Tim" <a...@b.com> wrote:
> > > > > "Jason" =A0wrote in message
> > > > >news:Jason-10071...@66-53-223-162.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com...
> > >
> > > > > You will see the evidence on the day that you die.
> > >
> > > > > -----
> > >
> > > > > How does one see when one is dead?
> > >
> > > > Spirit bodies are able to see.
> > >
> > > Are they invisible? =A0They can't see.
> >
> > Do they have eyes? Brains?
> > They walk or they fly?
>
> I don't how they can see but they can see.
How do you know that your know that?
Do you have any objective physical evidence supporting that claim of
knowledge?
>
> I don't know if they have brains but they are as intelligent or more
> intelligent than humans.
How do you know that your know that?
Do you have any objective physical evidence supporting that claim of
knowledge?
>
> They can walk and I don't know if they can fly.
How do you know that your know that?
Do you have any objective physical evidence supporting that claim of
knowledge?
--
<Jason-10071...@66-53-219-253.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article
> <66b36f68-68fe-4fa4...@q5g2000pba.googlegroups.com>, Yap
> <hhya...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jul 11, 3:37=A0am, Father Haskell <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > On Jul 10, 3:35=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > >
> > > > In article <jthu6r$o...@speranza.aioe.org>, "Tim" <a...@b.com> wrote:
> > > > > "Jason" =A0wrote in message
> > > > >news:Jason-10071...@66-53-223-162.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com...
> > >
> > > > > You will see the evidence on the day that you die.
> > >
> > > > > -----
> > >
> > > > > How does one see when one is dead?
> > >
> > > > Spirit bodies are able to see.
> > >
> > > Are they invisible? =A0They can't see.
> >
> > Do they have eyes? Brains?
> > They walk or they fly?
>
> I don't how they can see but they can see.
How do you know that your know that?
Do you have any objective physical evidence supporting that claim of
knowledge?
>
> I don't know if they have brains but they are as intelligent or more
> intelligent than humans.
How do you know that your know that?
Do you have any objective physical evidence supporting that claim of
knowledge?
>
> They can walk and I don't know if they can fly.
How do you know that your know that?
Do you have any objective physical evidence supporting that claim of
knowledge?
--
Virgil
Jul 11, 2012, 2:01:29 AM7/11/12
to
In article
<Jason-10071...@66-53-219-253.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article
> <4d0daaaa-b05f-4db5...@n9g2000pbi.googlegroups.com>, Yap
<Jason-10071...@66-53-219-253.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article
> <hhya...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jul 11, 3:35=A0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > In article <jthu6r$o...@speranza.aioe.org>, "Tim" <a...@b.com> wrote:
> > > > "Jason" =A0wrote in message
> > > >news:Jason-10071...@66-53-223-162.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com...
> > >
> > > > You will see the evidence on the day that you die.
> > >
> > > > -----
> > >
> > > > How does one see when one is dead?
> > >
> > > Spirit bodies are able to see.
> >
> > Why would there be spirit body when it could not be a separate entity
> > On Jul 11, 3:35=A0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > In article <jthu6r$o...@speranza.aioe.org>, "Tim" <a...@b.com> wrote:
> > > > "Jason" =A0wrote in message
> > > >news:Jason-10071...@66-53-223-162.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com...
> > >
> > > > You will see the evidence on the day that you die.
> > >
> > > > -----
> > >
> > > > How does one see when one is dead?
> > >
> > > Spirit bodies are able to see.
> >
> > when alive?
> >
> > Religious idiots always use magical words to express themselves, for
> > the purpose to con.
>
> Good points. Let's say there is a planet that have life forms that are
> very different than mankind. They have bodies that are very different than
> the types of bodies that we have. They would be able to see and talk.
Actually, we have no idea whether life forms developing on other planets
will be able to see or talk. Such life may never get beyond single cells
for al we know.
>
> Heaven will be like that--People will have spirit bodies instead of human
> bodies. Spirit bodies can see and talk.
Dream on, sucker!
--
Virgil
Jul 11, 2012, 2:56:33 AM7/11/12
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> In article <virgil-E4BB89....@bignews.usenetmonster.com>,
> > > > r
> > > > >
> > > > > Haskell <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > >news:Jason-10071...@66-53-223-162.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com..
> > > > > other
> > > > > people that are in heaven and by Jesus and God.
> > > >
> > > > Oh, why are all these angels, jesus, god, satan, etc not coming into
> > > > our human society but you have to insist that we are part of their
> > > > evil grouping after death?
> > >
> > > If you end up in hell--that will be an evil grouping.
> > >
> > > If you end up in heaven--that will be a wonderful grouping.
> >
> > And if, as we strongly suspect, we merely end up dead, that won't be a
> > grouping at all.
>
> If you are correct--it means you have nothing to worry about.
>
> If you are incorrect--please take actions now so that you don't end up in
> hell--see John 3:16.
King James Version (KJV)
John 3 16 �For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have
everlasting life.
Which certainly implies that whosoever does not �believeth in him� WILL
perish when their bodies perish and not be available for any alleged
eternal "hell".
And there is as yet no objective physical evidence that even that
promise of "everlasting life" is not a con.
--
> Virgil <vir...@ligriv.com> wrote:
>
> > In article
> > <Jason-10071...@66-53-219-253.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > In article
> > > <5be3a75d-11c0-4f51...@q5g2000pba.googlegroups.com>, Yap
>
> > In article
> > <Jason-10071...@66-53-219-253.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > In article
> > > <hhya...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Jul 11, 5:30=A0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > > In article
> > > > >
> <6b6a6c6e-acb1-4395-a5a6-d9554c981...@b1g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>, Fathe=
> > >
> > > > On Jul 11, 5:30=A0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > > In article
> > > > >
> > > > r
> > > > >
> > > > > Haskell <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > > On Jul 10, 3:35=3DA0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > > > > In article <jthu6r$o...@speranza.aioe.org>, "Tim" <a...@b.com>
> wrote:
> > > > > > > > "Jason" =3DA0wrote in message
> > > > > > > In article <jthu6r$o...@speranza.aioe.org>, "Tim" <a...@b.com>
> wrote:
> > > > > > > >news:Jason-10071...@66-53-223-162.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com..
> > > > > > > >.
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > You will see the evidence on the day that you die.
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > -----
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > How does one see when one is dead?
> > > > >
> > > > > > > Spirit bodies are able to see.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > You will see the evidence on the day that you die.
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > -----
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > How does one see when one is dead?
> > > > >
> > > > > > > Spirit bodies are able to see.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Are they invisible? =A0They can't see.
> > > > >
> > > > > They may be invisible to you but can easily be seen by angels, by
> > > > >
> > > > > other
> > > > > people that are in heaven and by Jesus and God.
> > > >
> > > > Oh, why are all these angels, jesus, god, satan, etc not coming into
> > > > our human society but you have to insist that we are part of their
> > > > evil grouping after death?
> > >
> > > If you end up in hell--that will be an evil grouping.
> > >
> > > If you end up in heaven--that will be a wonderful grouping.
> >
> > And if, as we strongly suspect, we merely end up dead, that won't be a
> > grouping at all.
>
> If you are correct--it means you have nothing to worry about.
>
> If you are incorrect--please take actions now so that you don't end up in
> hell--see John 3:16.
King James Version (KJV)
John 3 16 �For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have
everlasting life.
Which certainly implies that whosoever does not �believeth in him� WILL
perish when their bodies perish and not be available for any alleged
eternal "hell".
And there is as yet no objective physical evidence that even that
promise of "everlasting life" is not a con.
--
Virgil
Jul 11, 2012, 2:57:34 AM7/11/12
to
In article
<8583ffcc-d84f-4bc2...@q5g2000pba.googlegroups.com>,
> We've already been over this. Your precious John 3:16 says not one
> word about nonbelievers.
>
> JD
King James Version (KJV)
John 3 16 �For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have
everlasting life.
Which implies that whosoever does not �believeth in him� will perish
<8583ffcc-d84f-4bc2...@q5g2000pba.googlegroups.com>,
> word about nonbelievers.
>
> JD
King James Version (KJV)
John 3 16 �For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have
everlasting life.
when their bodies perish and not be available for any alleged eternal
"hell".
And there is as yet no objective physical evidence that that promise of
"hell".
DonH
Jul 11, 2012, 3:52:18 PM7/11/12
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"Virgil" <vir...@ligriv.com> wrote in message
news:virgil-0149AE....@bignews.usenetmonster.com...
# The whole basis of supernaturalism is "spirituality": the idea that when a
person dies, his/her "spirit/soul" leaves the body, and migrates to heaven
or hell or wherever.
This is the Phlogiston theory of Religion: it is based on a
misunderstanding.
Modern Science claims that a person's "last breath" is merely the
exhaling of CO2, before the material body breaks down, and ceases to
function as a self-sustaining entity.
There is no spirit or soul, and the human ego is but a manifestation of
brain activity.
When you are dead, you are dead: that's it.
So, while the Eternal Life Insurance industry may claim otherwise,
nobody has collected on their lifelong Premiums (Policy maturing at death);
or, there is no evidence for it.
If Supernaturalism was part of the normal Business World it would be
prosecuted for fraud.
But no, it is Religion, and thus Sacred, and held in Awe.
There MAY be an Afterlife, but there's no stampede to the graveyard -
and even Suicide Bombers are doomed to disappointment.
news:virgil-0149AE....@bignews.usenetmonster.com...
person dies, his/her "spirit/soul" leaves the body, and migrates to heaven
or hell or wherever.
This is the Phlogiston theory of Religion: it is based on a
misunderstanding.
Modern Science claims that a person's "last breath" is merely the
exhaling of CO2, before the material body breaks down, and ceases to
function as a self-sustaining entity.
There is no spirit or soul, and the human ego is but a manifestation of
brain activity.
When you are dead, you are dead: that's it.
So, while the Eternal Life Insurance industry may claim otherwise,
nobody has collected on their lifelong Premiums (Policy maturing at death);
or, there is no evidence for it.
If Supernaturalism was part of the normal Business World it would be
prosecuted for fraud.
But no, it is Religion, and thus Sacred, and held in Awe.
There MAY be an Afterlife, but there's no stampede to the graveyard -
and even Suicide Bombers are doomed to disappointment.
Devils Advocaat
Jul 11, 2012, 4:03:26 PM7/11/12
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> <a2537159-cdbf-44be-81b6-8a6acd6ac...@h10g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
Ah, but when you listen to soul music, and then later recall it note
for note, is that soul not a part of you? :P
for note, is that soul not a part of you? :P
Michael Gordge
Jul 13, 2012, 7:51:37 PM7/13/12
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> <f20605c5-617b-4b9f-a265-18428ddd1...@f16g2000yqg.googlegroups.com>,
faith that it does? you poor soul.
So what does your soul exist as?
MG
>
> BroilJAB <DesignDen...@wmconnect.com> wrote:
> > The soul is the real you,the body is
> > just a shell.
>
> The body is detectable, the alleged soul is not, so its existence at all
> is purely a matter of faith, like the one common faith in a flat Earth
> or in the Earth-centered univers.e
"the alleged soul" Oh so you are saying, your soul exists only if you
> BroilJAB <DesignDen...@wmconnect.com> wrote:
> > The soul is the real you,the body is
> > just a shell.
>
> The body is detectable, the alleged soul is not, so its existence at all
> is purely a matter of faith, like the one common faith in a flat Earth
> or in the Earth-centered univers.e
faith that it does? you poor soul.
So what does your soul exist as?
MG
Devils Advocaat
Jul 14, 2012, 1:31:06 AM7/14/12
to
On Jul 9, 8:10 pm, Virgil <vir...@ligriv.com> wrote:
> In article
> <f20605c5-617b-4b9f-a265-18428ddd1...@f16g2000yqg.googlegroups.com>,
>
> In article
> <f20605c5-617b-4b9f-a265-18428ddd1...@f16g2000yqg.googlegroups.com>,
>
> BroilJAB <DesignDen...@wmconnect.com> wrote:
> > The soul is the real you,the body is
> > just a shell.
>
> The body is detectable, the alleged soul is not, so its existence at all
> is purely a matter of faith, like the one common faith in a flat Earth
> or in the Earth-centered univers.e
>
> As far as anyone can prove, death is the end, and when life ends what
> remains is without life.
> --
But gets recycled by other living things.
> > The soul is the real you,the body is
> > just a shell.
>
> The body is detectable, the alleged soul is not, so its existence at all
> is purely a matter of faith, like the one common faith in a flat Earth
> or in the Earth-centered univers.e
>
> As far as anyone can prove, death is the end, and when life ends what
> remains is without life.
> --
Devils Advocaat
Jul 15, 2012, 6:28:40 AM7/15/12
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> <a2537159-cdbf-44be-81b6-8a6acd6ac...@h10g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
In response to the subject line, after death you decompose, get
recycled, and continue as you've always been, a part of the universe.
recycled, and continue as you've always been, a part of the universe.
Barry OGrady
Jul 15, 2012, 6:36:15 AM7/15/12
to
On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 03:28:40 -0700 (PDT), Devils Advocaat
<manky...@gmail.com> wrote:
>In response to the subject line, after death you decompose, get
>recycled, and continue as you've always been, a part of the universe.
"You" won't exist at all.
<manky...@gmail.com> wrote:
>In response to the subject line, after death you decompose, get
>recycled, and continue as you've always been, a part of the universe.
=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=
God is a spirit. 0% proof!
Devils Advocaat
Jul 15, 2012, 7:06:36 AM7/15/12
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On Jul 15, 11:36 am, Barry OGrady <athe...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 03:28:40 -0700 (PDT), Devils Advocaat
>
> On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 03:28:40 -0700 (PDT), Devils Advocaat
>
> <mankygo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >In response to the subject line, after death you decompose, get
> >recycled, and continue as you've always been, a part of the universe.
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> "You" won't exist at all.
I could argue that "you" don't exist at all.
> >In response to the subject line, after death you decompose, get
> >recycled, and continue as you've always been, a part of the universe.
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> "You" won't exist at all.
But that would depend on what you mean by "you".
Barry OGrady
Jul 15, 2012, 8:35:48 AM7/15/12
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On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 04:06:36 -0700 (PDT), Devils Advocaat
<manky...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Jul 15, 11:36�am, Barry OGrady <athe...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
>> On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 03:28:40 -0700 (PDT), Devils Advocaat
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>> <mankygo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >In response to the subject line, after death you decompose, get
>> >recycled, and continue as you've always been, a part of the universe.
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>I could argue that "you" don't exist at all.
You mean "you" won't exist after death?
<manky...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Jul 15, 11:36�am, Barry OGrady <athe...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
>> On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 03:28:40 -0700 (PDT), Devils Advocaat
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>> <mankygo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >In response to the subject line, after death you decompose, get
>> >recycled, and continue as you've always been, a part of the universe.
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>I could argue that "you" don't exist at all.
>But that would depend on what you mean by "you".
personality.
Devils Advocaat
Jul 15, 2012, 9:15:30 AM7/15/12
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On Jul 15, 1:35 pm, Barry OGrady <athe...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
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> >On Jul 15, 11:36 am, Barry OGrady <athe...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
> >> On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 03:28:40 -0700 (PDT), Devils Advocaat
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> >> <mankygo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >In response to the subject line, after death you decompose, get
> >> >recycled, and continue as you've always been, a part of the universe.
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> "You" is the person, the thoughts, the actions, the
> personality.
Are you referring to the conscious "you" that possesses "free will"?
> >On Jul 15, 11:36 am, Barry OGrady <athe...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
> >> On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 03:28:40 -0700 (PDT), Devils Advocaat
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> >> <mankygo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >In response to the subject line, after death you decompose, get
> >> >recycled, and continue as you've always been, a part of the universe.
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> >I could argue that "you" don't exist at all.
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> You mean "you" won't exist after death?
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> >But that would depend on what you mean by "you".
>
> "You" is the person, the thoughts, the actions, the
> personality.
Barry OGrady
Jul 15, 2012, 9:24:18 AM7/15/12
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I refer to what makes the person. Their thoughts, feelings, emotions,
sense of being, etc.
MelissA
Jul 15, 2012, 9:31:08 AM7/15/12
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Barry OGrady <ath...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 06:15:30 -0700 (PDT), Devils Advocaat
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> >> On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 04:06:36 -0700 (PDT), Devils Advocaat
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> >> <mankygo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >On Jul 15, 11:36 am, Barry OGrady <athe...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
> >> >> On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 03:28:40 -0700 (PDT), Devils Advocaat
> >>
> >> >> <mankygo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >In response to the subject line, after death you decompose, get
> >> >> >recycled, and continue as you've always been, a part of the
> >> >> >universe.
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> >> >> "You" won't exist at all.
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> >> >I could argue that "you" don't exist at all.
> >>
> >> You mean "you" won't exist after death?
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> >> >But that would depend on what you mean by "you".
> >>
> >> "You" is the person, the thoughts, the actions, the
> >> personality.
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> >Are you referring to the conscious "you" that possesses "free will"?
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> No. Free will is an illusion.
Care to explain? I remember one experiment with flies.
Barry OGrady <ath...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 06:15:30 -0700 (PDT), Devils Advocaat
> <manky...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >On Jul 15, 1:35 pm, Barry OGrady <athe...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
> >> On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 04:06:36 -0700 (PDT), Devils Advocaat
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> >> <mankygo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >On Jul 15, 11:36 am, Barry OGrady <athe...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
> >> >> On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 03:28:40 -0700 (PDT), Devils Advocaat
> >>
> >> >> <mankygo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >In response to the subject line, after death you decompose, get
> >> >> >recycled, and continue as you've always been, a part of the
> >> >> >universe.
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> >> >> "You" won't exist at all.
> >>
> >> >I could argue that "you" don't exist at all.
> >>
> >> You mean "you" won't exist after death?
> >>
> >> >But that would depend on what you mean by "you".
> >>
> >> "You" is the person, the thoughts, the actions, the
> >> personality.
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> >Are you referring to the conscious "you" that possesses "free will"?
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> No. Free will is an illusion.
They tried to find out formula which can predict direction
of flies flying, but failed. Result was that fly has
free will (not automata).
Devils Advocaat
Jul 15, 2012, 9:38:16 AM7/15/12
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> >> >On Jul 15, 11:36 am, Barry OGrady <athe...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
> >> >> On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 03:28:40 -0700 (PDT), Devils Advocaat
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> >> >> >In response to the subject line, after death you decompose, get
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> >> personality.
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> >Are you referring to the conscious "you" that possesses "free will"?
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> No. Free will is an illusion.
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> I refer to what makes the person. Their thoughts, feelings, emotions,
> sense of being, etc.
How can "you" be sure your thoughts, feelings, emotions, sense of
> >On Jul 15, 1:35 pm, Barry OGrady <athe...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
> >> On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 04:06:36 -0700 (PDT), Devils Advocaat
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> >> <mankygo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >On Jul 15, 11:36 am, Barry OGrady <athe...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
> >> >> On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 03:28:40 -0700 (PDT), Devils Advocaat
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> >> >> <mankygo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >In response to the subject line, after death you decompose, get
> >> >> >recycled, and continue as you've always been, a part of the universe.
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> >> You mean "you" won't exist after death?
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> >> >But that would depend on what you mean by "you".
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> >> "You" is the person, the thoughts, the actions, the
> >> personality.
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> >Are you referring to the conscious "you" that possesses "free will"?
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> No. Free will is an illusion.
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> I refer to what makes the person. Their thoughts, feelings, emotions,
> sense of being, etc.
being, and especially the etcetera are not illusions?
Barry OGrady
Jul 15, 2012, 9:59:44 AM7/15/12
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If an action is not influenced it must be random.
Barry OGrady
Jul 15, 2012, 10:00:31 AM7/15/12
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MelissA
Jul 15, 2012, 10:11:00 AM7/15/12
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Free will is when you have choice.
> If an action is not influenced it must be random.
There it is ;)
> If an action is not influenced it must be random.
Devils Advocaat
Jul 15, 2012, 10:20:53 AM7/15/12
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After all, to the vast majority of people free will is as real to them
as your thoughts, feelings, emotions, sense of being, and that
etcetera are to you.
Devils Advocaat
Jul 15, 2012, 10:23:55 AM7/15/12
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you needed and more, would you use that money to clear your debt (and
enjoy the rest) or would you hand it in at the nearest police station?
Barry OGrady
Jul 15, 2012, 10:33:35 AM7/15/12
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>After all, to the vast majority of people free will is as real to them
>as your thoughts, feelings, emotions, sense of being, and that
>etcetera are to you.
Free Lunch
Jul 15, 2012, 10:40:40 AM7/15/12
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On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 16:11:00 +0200, MelissA <me...@a.com> wrote in
alt.talk.creationism:
How can you tell whether you have a real choice to make or whether it is
just the illusion that you have choice?
alt.talk.creationism:
just the illusion that you have choice?
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Are there any actions that are not influenced?
>> If an action is not influenced it must be random.
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>There it is ;)
MelissA
Jul 15, 2012, 10:43:43 AM7/15/12
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Jul 15, 2012, 11:32:41 AM7/15/12
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Jul 15, 2012, 11:40:42 AM7/15/12
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your position, could it not?
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> >as your thoughts, feelings, emotions, sense of being, and that
> >etcetera are to you.
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> Let them have their delusion.
How do you know that you're not the one with a delusion, give your
> >After all, to the vast majority of people free will is as real to them
> >as your thoughts, feelings, emotions, sense of being, and that
> >etcetera are to you.
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> Let them have their delusion.
deterministic position?
Ken
Jul 15, 2012, 11:50:47 AM7/15/12
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> Devils Advocaat <mankygo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > If you were in debt, and worried, then found a wallet with the money
> > you needed and more, would you use that money to clear your debt (and
> > enjoy the rest) or would you hand it in at the nearest police station?
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> I was in such situation and returned wallet to police station....
I'd take 5 bucks for gas and finder's fee then do my best to find it's
> > If you were in debt, and worried, then found a wallet with the money
> > you needed and more, would you use that money to clear your debt (and
> > enjoy the rest) or would you hand it in at the nearest police station?
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> I was in such situation and returned wallet to police station....
owner (home address inside)
Besides, the cops might have "sticky fingers"
You know, from all those glazed donuts
Father Haskell
Jul 15, 2012, 4:10:19 PM7/15/12
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or become part of whatever plant or animal that consumes
them in much the same way that you've assimilated the
compounds which were once part of other living things.
Devils Advocaat
Jul 15, 2012, 5:04:00 PM7/15/12
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duke
Jul 15, 2012, 5:11:10 PM7/15/12
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On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 03:28:40 -0700 (PDT), Devils Advocaat <manky...@gmail.com>
wrote:
What happens to all your knowledge and all that you are that is not physical and
not brain centered.
The dukester, American - American
********************************************
A vote for obama is a vote for the end of
democracy in America as we know it. Let the
rolling thunder guide your decision at the
ballot box to put an end to Imperial Obama.
May God bless America.
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not brain centered.
The dukester, American - American
********************************************
A vote for obama is a vote for the end of
democracy in America as we know it. Let the
rolling thunder guide your decision at the
ballot box to put an end to Imperial Obama.
May God bless America.
********************************************
Father Haskell
Jul 15, 2012, 5:42:25 PM7/15/12
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On Jul 15, 5:11 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 03:28:40 -0700 (PDT), Devils Advocaat <mankygo...@gmail.com>
You mean memories? They're physically stored.
> On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 03:28:40 -0700 (PDT), Devils Advocaat <mankygo...@gmail.com>
Virgil
Jul 15, 2012, 5:52:30 PM7/15/12
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In article
<dba91b48-54ff-4b65...@f16g2000yqg.googlegroups.com>,
--
<dba91b48-54ff-4b65...@f16g2000yqg.googlegroups.com>,
Father Haskell <father...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > What happens to all your knowledge and all that you are that is not
> > physical and
> > not brain centered.
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> You mean memories? They're physically stored.
Nonsense! A brain loses all memory as it dies.
> > What happens to all your knowledge and all that you are that is not
> > physical and
> > not brain centered.
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> You mean memories? They're physically stored.
--
gladys swager
Jul 15, 2012, 7:40:39 PM7/15/12
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On Monday, July 16, 2012, Virgil wrote:
when we die.
Biblically, (New Testament) the spirit lives on to stand before God our Creator
and to be judged by Him as to what we did about His Son, Jesus Christ;
whether we believed in Him and had followed His will for our lives
ie. whether we have sought to do good to others
as we had placed our trust in Him.
1 Corinthians 3 : 11 - 15
For other foundation can no (wo)man lay than that is laid which is Jesus Christ. Now if any (wo)man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones,
wood, hay, stubble (ie signifying the quality of the deeds)
every (wo)man's work shall be be made manifest; for the day shall declare it,
because it shall be revealed by fire,
and the fire shall try every (wo)man's work of what sort it is.
If any (wo)man's work abide which (s)he has done, (s)he shall receive a reward.
If any (wo)man's work shall be burned, (s)he shall suffer loss;
but (s)he shall be saved yet so as by fire (through faith in Jesus Christ).
John 3 : 16 Jesus said, For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believes in Him should not perish,
****but have everlasting life.
Gladys Swager
> Father Haskell wrote:
>
>>What happens to all your knowledge and all that you are that is not
>>physical and not brain centered.
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> You mean memories? They're physically stored.
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>> Nonsense! A brain loses all memory as it dies.
You have no proof at all about what happens to the memories within our brains
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>>physical and not brain centered.
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>> Nonsense! A brain loses all memory as it dies.
when we die.
Biblically, (New Testament) the spirit lives on to stand before God our Creator
and to be judged by Him as to what we did about His Son, Jesus Christ;
whether we believed in Him and had followed His will for our lives
ie. whether we have sought to do good to others
as we had placed our trust in Him.
1 Corinthians 3 : 11 - 15
For other foundation can no (wo)man lay than that is laid which is Jesus Christ. Now if any (wo)man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones,
wood, hay, stubble (ie signifying the quality of the deeds)
every (wo)man's work shall be be made manifest; for the day shall declare it,
because it shall be revealed by fire,
and the fire shall try every (wo)man's work of what sort it is.
If any (wo)man's work abide which (s)he has done, (s)he shall receive a reward.
If any (wo)man's work shall be burned, (s)he shall suffer loss;
but (s)he shall be saved yet so as by fire (through faith in Jesus Christ).
John 3 : 16 Jesus said, For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believes in Him should not perish,
****but have everlasting life.
Gladys Swager
Ken
Jul 15, 2012, 7:43:51 PM7/15/12
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Except that most of your relatives get together and fight about who
gets to keep what
gets to keep what
Jason
Jul 15, 2012, 9:39:54 PM7/15/12
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In article <hec6089n1h1l2hito...@4ax.com>, duke
You are correct as far as the human physical body is concerned. However,
when you die--your spirit body will end up in heaven or in hell.
Your best option is to become a Christian so that you will end up in
heaven when you die.
Even non-Chistians believe that people have spirit bodies or souls. I once
was a fan of a television show that I believe was called GHOST WHISPERER.
God and heaven were NEVER mentioned but they showed on a regular
basis--spirit bodies leaving people when they died.
when you die--your spirit body will end up in heaven or in hell.
Your best option is to become a Christian so that you will end up in
heaven when you die.
Even non-Chistians believe that people have spirit bodies or souls. I once
was a fan of a television show that I believe was called GHOST WHISPERER.
God and heaven were NEVER mentioned but they showed on a regular
basis--spirit bodies leaving people when they died.
Jason
Jul 15, 2012, 9:41:54 PM7/15/12
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In article
<dc51ed47-7ef6-44ed...@x21g2000vbc.googlegroups.com>,
Devils Advocaat <manky...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 15, 9:10=A0pm, Father Haskell <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Jul 15, 6:28=A0am, Devils Advocaat <mankygo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > I know of somebody who while doing a breathing exercise got out of =
<dc51ed47-7ef6-44ed...@x21g2000vbc.googlegroups.com>,
Devils Advocaat <manky...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 15, 9:10=A0pm, Father Haskell <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Jul 15, 6:28=A0am, Devils Advocaat <mankygo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> his
> > > > > body.
> > > > > And while standing at an elevated position inside the room , he saw
> > > > > his very own body lying in bed.
> > > > > The soul is the real you,the body is just a shell .If you die as an
> > > > > atheist ,eternal torments await.
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> > > > Until science has verified the existence of a 'soul' whose life is
> > > > independent of that of the body, it is merely myth that
> > > > (1) anyone has anything like a soul at all, and
> > > > (2) that such a soul could survive the death of the body in which it
> > > > allegedly resides.
> > > > --
> >
> > > In response to the subject line, after death you decompose, get
> > > recycled, and continue as you've always been, a part of the universe.
> >
> > Your constituent organic compounds either become inorganic,
> > or become part of whatever plant or animal that consumes
> > them in much the same way that you've assimilated the
> > compounds which were once part of other living things.
>
> Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated. :P
You must be a fan of STAR TREK--THE NEXT GENERATION.
> > > > > body.
> > > > > And while standing at an elevated position inside the room , he saw
> > > > > his very own body lying in bed.
> > > > > The soul is the real you,the body is just a shell .If you die as an
> > > > > atheist ,eternal torments await.
> >
> > > > Until science has verified the existence of a 'soul' whose life is
> > > > independent of that of the body, it is merely myth that
> > > > (1) anyone has anything like a soul at all, and
> > > > (2) that such a soul could survive the death of the body in which it
> > > > allegedly resides.
> > > > --
> >
> > > In response to the subject line, after death you decompose, get
> > > recycled, and continue as you've always been, a part of the universe.
> >
> > Your constituent organic compounds either become inorganic,
> > or become part of whatever plant or animal that consumes
> > them in much the same way that you've assimilated the
> > compounds which were once part of other living things.
>
> Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated. :P
Free Lunch
Jul 15, 2012, 9:41:30 PM7/15/12
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On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 18:39:54 -0700, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
alt.talk.creationism:
>In article <hec6089n1h1l2hito...@4ax.com>, duke
><duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
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>> On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 03:28:40 -0700 (PDT), Devils Advocaat
><manky...@gmail.com>
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So you claim, but cannot back up with any evidence at all.
>Your best option is to become a Christian so that you will end up in
>heaven when you die.
"And what if we picked the wrong religion? Every week, we're just making
God madder and madder!" -- Homer Simpson
>Even non-Chistians believe that people have spirit bodies or souls. I once
>was a fan of a television show that I believe was called GHOST WHISPERER.
A fictional entertainment.
>God and heaven were NEVER mentioned but they showed on a regular
>basis--spirit bodies leaving people when they died.
Everything about spirits appears to be fiction. No evidence supports
your assertions.
alt.talk.creationism:
>In article <hec6089n1h1l2hito...@4ax.com>, duke
><duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
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><manky...@gmail.com>
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>> >On Jul 9, 6:44!m, Virgil <vir...@ligriv.com> wrote:
>> >> In article
>> >> <a2537159-cdbf-44be-81b6-8a6acd6ac...@h10g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
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>> >> In article
>> >> <a2537159-cdbf-44be-81b6-8a6acd6ac...@h10g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>Your best option is to become a Christian so that you will end up in
>heaven when you die.
God madder and madder!" -- Homer Simpson
>Even non-Chistians believe that people have spirit bodies or souls. I once
>was a fan of a television show that I believe was called GHOST WHISPERER.
>God and heaven were NEVER mentioned but they showed on a regular
>basis--spirit bodies leaving people when they died.
your assertions.
Devils Advocaat
Jul 16, 2012, 12:35:29 AM7/16/12
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On Jul 15, 10:11 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 03:28:40 -0700 (PDT), Devils Advocaat <mankygo...@gmail.com>
Care to demonstrate that there is any part of a human being that is
not physical?
Care to explain what you mean by the phrase "brain-centred"?
> On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 03:28:40 -0700 (PDT), Devils Advocaat <mankygo...@gmail.com>
not physical?
Care to explain what you mean by the phrase "brain-centred"?
Devils Advocaat
Jul 16, 2012, 12:40:24 AM7/16/12
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On Jul 16, 2:39 am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <hec6089n1h1l2hitoqk9d5uj1tglo60...@4ax.com>, duke
> <mankygo...@gmail.com>
You have no objective evidence for spirit bodies, heaven or hell.
up in heaven.
> In article <hec6089n1h1l2hitoqk9d5uj1tglo60...@4ax.com>, duke
> <mankygo...@gmail.com>
>
> Your best option is to become a Christian so that you will end up in
> heaven when you die.
Even if it existed, you've no guarantee that as a Christian you'll end
> Your best option is to become a Christian so that you will end up in
> heaven when you die.
up in heaven.
>
> Even non-Chistians believe that people have spirit bodies or souls. I once
> was a fan of a television show that I believe was called GHOST WHISPERER.
This was a fictional television series Jason.
> Even non-Chistians believe that people have spirit bodies or souls. I once
> was a fan of a television show that I believe was called GHOST WHISPERER.
Jason
Jul 16, 2012, 4:25:25 AM7/16/12
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In article
<568816d1-2388-45fe...@s1g2000vbj.googlegroups.com>, Devils
Advocaat <manky...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> > I know of somebody who while doing a breathing exercise got out of=
> his
> > > >> > body.
> > > >> > And while standing at an elevated position inside the room , he sa=
> > Even non-Chistians believe that people have spirit bodies or souls. I onc=
have spirit bodies inside their physical bodies and that the spirit bodies
leave their physical bodies when they die.
<568816d1-2388-45fe...@s1g2000vbj.googlegroups.com>, Devils
Advocaat <manky...@gmail.com> wrote:
> his
> > > >> > body.
> > > >> > And while standing at an elevated position inside the room , he sa=
> w
> > > >> > his very own body lying in bed.
> > > >> > The soul is the real you,the body is just a shell .If you die as a=
> > > >> > his very own body lying in bed.
> e
> > was a fan of a television show that I believe was called GHOST WHISPERER.
>
> This was a fictional television series Jason.
>
> > God and heaven were NEVER mentioned but they showed on a regular
> > basis--spirit bodies leaving people when they died.
However, it proved that even lots of non-christians believe that people
> > was a fan of a television show that I believe was called GHOST WHISPERER.
>
> This was a fictional television series Jason.
>
> > God and heaven were NEVER mentioned but they showed on a regular
> > basis--spirit bodies leaving people when they died.
have spirit bodies inside their physical bodies and that the spirit bodies
leave their physical bodies when they die.
Barry OGrady
Jul 16, 2012, 6:59:00 AM7/16/12
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On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 16:40:39 -0700 (PDT), gladys swager
<gsw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Monday, July 16, 2012, Virgil wrote:
>> Father Haskell wrote:
>>
>>>What happens to all your knowledge and all that you are that is not
>>>physical and not brain centered.
>>
>> You mean memories? They're physically stored.
>>
>>> Nonsense! A brain loses all memory as it dies.
>
>You have no proof at all about what happens to the memories within our brains
>when we die.
When brain activity ceases everything that makes "you" ceases.
<gsw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Monday, July 16, 2012, Virgil wrote:
>> Father Haskell wrote:
>>
>>>What happens to all your knowledge and all that you are that is not
>>>physical and not brain centered.
>>
>> You mean memories? They're physically stored.
>>
>>> Nonsense! A brain loses all memory as it dies.
>
>You have no proof at all about what happens to the memories within our brains
>when we die.
>Biblically, (New Testament) the spirit lives on to stand before God our Creator
>and to be judged by Him as to what we did about His Son, Jesus Christ;
>whether we believed in Him and had followed His will for our lives
>ie. whether we have sought to do good to others
> as we had placed our trust in Him.
>1 Corinthians 3 : 11 - 15
>For other foundation can no (wo)man lay than that is laid which is
>Jesus Christ. Now if any (wo)man build upon this foundation gold,
>silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble (ie signifying the quality
>of the deeds) every (wo)man's work shall be be made manifest; for the
>day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire,
>and the fire shall try every (wo)man's work of what sort it is.
>If any (wo)man's work abide which (s)he has done, (s)he shall receive
>a reward.
>If any (wo)man's work shall be burned, (s)he shall suffer loss;
>but (s)he shall be saved yet so as by fire (through faith in Jesus
>Christ).
>
>John 3 : 16 Jesus said, For God so loved the world that He gave His
>only begotten Son that whosoever believes in Him should not perish,
>****but have everlasting life.
>Gladys Swager
Barry OGrady
Jul 16, 2012, 7:01:40 AM7/16/12
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n Sun, 15 Jul 2012 18:39:54 -0700, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>You are correct as far as the human physical body is concerned. However,
>when you die--your spirit body will end up in heaven or in hell.
No such thing.
>You are correct as far as the human physical body is concerned. However,
>when you die--your spirit body will end up in heaven or in hell.
>Your best option is to become a Christian so that you will end up in
>heaven when you die.
>Even non-Chistians believe that people have spirit bodies or souls. I once
>was a fan of a television show that I believe was called GHOST WHISPERER.
>God and heaven were NEVER mentioned but they showed on a regular
>basis--spirit bodies leaving people when they died.
Devils Advocaat
Jul 16, 2012, 11:09:23 AM7/16/12
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> <568816d1-2388-45fe-8d10-2e39808ca...@s1g2000vbj.googlegroups.com>, Devils
Jason, just because a lot of people believe something doesn't make it
true.
You've been told this so many times.
So why keep repeating yourself?
true.
You've been told this so many times.
So why keep repeating yourself?
Wombat
Jul 16, 2012, 2:19:22 PM7/16/12
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On Jul 16, 3:39 am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <hec6089n1h1l2hitoqk9d5uj1tglo60...@4ax.com>, duke
> <mankygo...@gmail.com>
Unless the deity you SHOULD be worshipping is Cthulhu in which case
you are screwed. Pascal's wager doesn't work, unless you think your
deity is stupider than you are.
>
> Even non-Chistians believe that people have spirit bodies or souls. I once
> was a fan of a television show that I believe was called GHOST WHISPERER.
> God and heaven were NEVER mentioned but they showed on a regular
> basis--spirit bodies leaving people when they died.
Ye gods and little fishes. That was fiction! Is there no depth to
your idiocy. Try the afterlife in the series Torchwood.
> In article <hec6089n1h1l2hitoqk9d5uj1tglo60...@4ax.com>, duke
> <mankygo...@gmail.com>
you are screwed. Pascal's wager doesn't work, unless you think your
deity is stupider than you are.
>
> Even non-Chistians believe that people have spirit bodies or souls. I once
> was a fan of a television show that I believe was called GHOST WHISPERER.
> God and heaven were NEVER mentioned but they showed on a regular
> basis--spirit bodies leaving people when they died.
your idiocy. Try the afterlife in the series Torchwood.
Devils Advocaat
Jul 16, 2012, 2:57:52 PM7/16/12
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Jason
Jul 16, 2012, 3:36:38 PM7/16/12
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In article <11t70858g5htktd2p...@4ax.com>, Barry OGrady
You missed the point. Even lots of non-christians believe that people have
spirits and souls.
The American Indians believed it--even before any Christian missionaires
arrived in America. They would place dead bodies on one story platforms so
it would be easier for their souls to make it to heaven.
spirits and souls.
The American Indians believed it--even before any Christian missionaires
arrived in America. They would place dead bodies on one story platforms so
it would be easier for their souls to make it to heaven.
Jason
Jul 16, 2012, 3:41:38 PM7/16/12
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In article
<ea1296ce-33d5-4b21...@q2g2000vbv.googlegroups.com>, Devils
Advocaat <manky...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > <568816d1-2388-45fe-8d10-2e39808ca...@s1g2000vbj.googlegroups.com>, Devil=
> s
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Advocaat <mankygo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> om>,
> > > > > >> > I know of somebody who while doing a breathing exercise got ou=
> t of=3D
> > > =A0his
> > > > > >> > body.
> > > > > >> > And while standing at an elevated position inside the room , h=
> e sa=3D
> as a=3D
> onc=3D
> > > e
> > > > was a fan of a television show that I believe was called GHOST WHISPE=
socialism--it does not it an excellent form of government.
Let's say that a twin brother had a heart attack and dies. The other twin
brother does not have a heart attack.
The only major difference between them is that one has his spirit body
inside of him and the other twin brother has his spirit body in heaven or
in hell.
I have even heard doctors make this statement about dead bodies--The
spirit has left them.
<ea1296ce-33d5-4b21...@q2g2000vbv.googlegroups.com>, Devils
Advocaat <manky...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > <568816d1-2388-45fe-8d10-2e39808ca...@s1g2000vbj.googlegroups.com>, Devil=
> s
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Advocaat <mankygo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Jul 16, 2:39=3DA0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > In article <hec6089n1h1l2hitoqk9d5uj1tglo60...@4ax.com>, duke
> >
> > > > <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> > > > > On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 03:28:40 -0700 (PDT), Devils Advocaat
> >
> > > > <mankygo...@gmail.com>
> >
> > > > > wrote:
> >
> > > > > >On Jul 9, 6:44=3DA0am, Virgil <vir...@ligriv.com> wrote:
> > > > > >> In article
> > > > > >> <a2537159-cdbf-44be-81b6-8a6acd6ac...@h10g2000yqn.googlegroups.c=
> > > > In article <hec6089n1h1l2hitoqk9d5uj1tglo60...@4ax.com>, duke
> >
> > > > <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> > > > > On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 03:28:40 -0700 (PDT), Devils Advocaat
> >
> > > > <mankygo...@gmail.com>
> >
> > > > > wrote:
> >
> > > > > >On Jul 9, 6:44=3DA0am, Virgil <vir...@ligriv.com> wrote:
> > > > > >> In article
> om>,
> t of=3D
> > > =A0his
> > > > > >> > body.
> > > > > >> > And while standing at an elevated position inside the room , h=
> e sa=3D
> > > w
> > > > > >> > his very own body lying in bed.
> > > > > >> > The soul is the real you,the body is just a shell .If you die =
> > > > > >> > his very own body lying in bed.
> as a=3D
> > > n
> > > > > >> > atheist ,eternal torments await.
> >
> > > > > >> Until science has verified the existence of a 'soul' whose life =
> > > > > >> > atheist ,eternal torments await.
> >
> is
> > > > > >> independent of that of the body, it is merely myth that
> > > > > >> (1) anyone has anything like a soul at all, and
> > > > > >> (2) that such a soul could survive the death of the body in whic=
> > > > > >> independent of that of the body, it is merely myth that
> > > > > >> (1) anyone has anything like a soul at all, and
> h it
> > > > > >> allegedly resides.
> > > > > >> --
> >
> > > > > >In response to the subject line, after death you decompose, get
> > > > > >recycled, and continue as you've always been, a part of the univer=
> > > > > >> allegedly resides.
> > > > > >> --
> >
> > > > > >In response to the subject line, after death you decompose, get
> se.
> >
> > > > > What happens to all your knowledge and all that you are that is not
> > > > physical and
> > > > > not brain centered.
> >
> > > > > The dukester, American - American
> > > > > ********************************************
> > > > > A vote for obama is a vote for the end of
> > > > > democracy in America as we know it. Let the
> > > > > rolling thunder guide your decision at the
> > > > > ballot box to put an end to Imperial Obama.
> > > > > May God bless America.
> > > > > ********************************************
> >
> > > > You are correct as far as the human physical body is concerned. Howev=
> >
> > > > > What happens to all your knowledge and all that you are that is not
> > > > physical and
> > > > > not brain centered.
> >
> > > > > The dukester, American - American
> > > > > ********************************************
> > > > > A vote for obama is a vote for the end of
> > > > > democracy in America as we know it. Let the
> > > > > rolling thunder guide your decision at the
> > > > > ballot box to put an end to Imperial Obama.
> > > > > May God bless America.
> > > > > ********************************************
> >
> er,
> > > > when you die--your spirit body will end up in heaven or in hell.
> >
> > > You have no objective evidence for spirit bodies, heaven or hell.
> >
> > > > Your best option is to become a Christian so that you will end up in
> > > > heaven when you die.
> >
> > > Even if it existed, you've no guarantee that as a Christian you'll end
> > > up in heaven.
> >
> > > > Even non-Chistians believe that people have spirit bodies or souls. I=
> > > > when you die--your spirit body will end up in heaven or in hell.
> >
> > > You have no objective evidence for spirit bodies, heaven or hell.
> >
> > > > Your best option is to become a Christian so that you will end up in
> > > > heaven when you die.
> >
> > > Even if it existed, you've no guarantee that as a Christian you'll end
> > > up in heaven.
> >
> onc=3D
> > > e
> > > > was a fan of a television show that I believe was called GHOST WHISPE=
> RER.
> >
> > > This was a fictional television series Jason.
> >
> > > > God and heaven were NEVER mentioned but they showed on a regular
> > > > basis--spirit bodies leaving people when they died.
> >
> > However, it proved that even lots of non-christians believe that people
> > have spirit bodies inside their physical bodies and that the spirit bodie=
> >
> > > This was a fictional television series Jason.
> >
> > > > God and heaven were NEVER mentioned but they showed on a regular
> > > > basis--spirit bodies leaving people when they died.
> >
> > However, it proved that even lots of non-christians believe that people
> s
> > leave their physical bodies when they die.
>
> Jason, just because a lot of people believe something doesn't make it
> true.
>
> You've been told this so many times.
>
> So why keep repeating yourself?
That is correct. For example, even if millions of people are advocates of
> > leave their physical bodies when they die.
>
> Jason, just because a lot of people believe something doesn't make it
> true.
>
> You've been told this so many times.
>
> So why keep repeating yourself?
socialism--it does not it an excellent form of government.
Let's say that a twin brother had a heart attack and dies. The other twin
brother does not have a heart attack.
The only major difference between them is that one has his spirit body
inside of him and the other twin brother has his spirit body in heaven or
in hell.
I have even heard doctors make this statement about dead bodies--The
spirit has left them.
Devils Advocaat
Jul 16, 2012, 3:38:10 PM7/16/12
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> <ea1296ce-33d5-4b21-9125-4e4c17775...@q2g2000vbv.googlegroups.com>, Devils
Jason, you're doing it again.
Virgil
Jul 16, 2012, 4:43:04 PM7/16/12
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In article
<Jason-16071...@67-150-175-200.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
existence of such spirit bodies?
--
<Jason-16071...@67-150-175-200.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> Let's say that a twin brother had a heart attack and dies. The other twin
> brother does not have a heart attack.
>
> The only major difference between them is that one has his spirit body
> inside of him and the other twin brother has his spirit body in heaven or
> in hell.
What concrete evidence can you present supporting your claim of
> Let's say that a twin brother had a heart attack and dies. The other twin
> brother does not have a heart attack.
>
> The only major difference between them is that one has his spirit body
> inside of him and the other twin brother has his spirit body in heaven or
> in hell.
existence of such spirit bodies?
--
Virgil
Jul 16, 2012, 4:45:30 PM7/16/12
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> ou missed the point. Even lots of non-christians believe that people have
> spirits and souls.
A lot of people once believed that the Earth was the center of the
> spirits and souls.
universe. Beliefs are not evidences of truths.
>
> The American Indians believed it--even before any Christian missionaires
> arrived in America. They would place dead bodies on one story platforms so
> it would be easier for their souls to make it to heaven.
--
> The American Indians believed it--even before any Christian missionaires
> arrived in America. They would place dead bodies on one story platforms so
> it would be easier for their souls to make it to heaven.
Jason
Jul 16, 2012, 5:42:05 PM7/16/12
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In article <virgil-1B3DFC....@bignews.usenetmonster.com>,
Evidence from many different religions that have a belief in spirit bodies
and/or souls. Many of them such as American Indians were isolated from
members of other religions when they developed their beliefs.
God speaks not only to Christians and Jews but has also spoken to the
members of many other religions such as American Indians and Africans that
lived in rain forests or near rain forests.
Various authors have written books comparing hundreds of various religious
beliefs--they have lots of things in common such as beliefs in souls or
spirit bodies. They also believe in heaven and in God or Gods.
It's not by chance--I believe that God has talked to the religious leaders
of various religions over the years.
jason
and/or souls. Many of them such as American Indians were isolated from
members of other religions when they developed their beliefs.
God speaks not only to Christians and Jews but has also spoken to the
members of many other religions such as American Indians and Africans that
lived in rain forests or near rain forests.
Various authors have written books comparing hundreds of various religious
beliefs--they have lots of things in common such as beliefs in souls or
spirit bodies. They also believe in heaven and in God or Gods.
It's not by chance--I believe that God has talked to the religious leaders
of various religions over the years.
jason
Jason
Jul 16, 2012, 5:42:33 PM7/16/12
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Mike Lovell
Jul 16, 2012, 5:36:12 PM7/16/12
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>
>> In article
>> <Jason-16071...@67-150-175-200.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
>> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>>
>> > Let's say that a twin brother had a heart attack and dies. The other twin
>> > brother does not have a heart attack.
>> >
>> > The only major difference between them is that one has his spirit body
>> > inside of him and the other twin brother has his spirit body in heaven or
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>> What concrete evidence can you present supporting your claim of
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> In article <virgil-1B3DFC....@bignews.usenetmonster.com>,
> Virgil <vir...@ligriv.com> wrote:
>
>> In article
>> <Jason-16071...@67-150-175-200.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
>> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>>
>> > Let's say that a twin brother had a heart attack and dies. The other twin
>> > brother does not have a heart attack.
>> >
>> > The only major difference between them is that one has his spirit body
>> > inside of him and the other twin brother has his spirit body in heaven or
>> > in hell.
>>
>> What concrete evidence can you present supporting your claim of
>> existence of such spirit bodies?
>
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Ken
Jul 16, 2012, 5:39:15 PM7/16/12
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On Jul 16, 1:43 pm, Virgil <vir...@ligriv.com> wrote in reponse to the
same repeated claims from Jason:
> What concrete evidence can you present supporting your claim of
> existence of such spirit bodies?
None/zip/zero/zilch/nada, just the usual creatioNUT BS: "Because I
said so"
same repeated claims from Jason:
> What concrete evidence can you present supporting your claim of
> existence of such spirit bodies?
said so"
Virgil
Jul 16, 2012, 5:58:26 PM7/16/12
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In article
<Jason-16071...@66-53-223-225.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
truth.
truth.
truth.
--
<Jason-16071...@66-53-223-225.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <virgil-1B3DFC....@bignews.usenetmonster.com>,
> Virgil <vir...@ligriv.com> wrote:
>
> > In article
> > <Jason-16071...@67-150-175-200.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > Let's say that a twin brother had a heart attack and dies. The other twin
> > > brother does not have a heart attack.
> > >
> > > The only major difference between them is that one has his spirit body
> > > inside of him and the other twin brother has his spirit body in heaven or
> > > in hell.
> >
> > What concrete evidence can you present supporting your claim of
> > existence of such spirit bodies?
>
> Evidence from many different religions that have a belief in spirit bodies
> and/or souls. Many of them such as American Indians were isolated from
> members of other religions when they developed their beliefs.
The fact that many people believe something is NOT evidence of its
> In article <virgil-1B3DFC....@bignews.usenetmonster.com>,
> Virgil <vir...@ligriv.com> wrote:
>
> > In article
> > <Jason-16071...@67-150-175-200.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > Let's say that a twin brother had a heart attack and dies. The other twin
> > > brother does not have a heart attack.
> > >
> > > The only major difference between them is that one has his spirit body
> > > inside of him and the other twin brother has his spirit body in heaven or
> > > in hell.
> >
> > What concrete evidence can you present supporting your claim of
> > existence of such spirit bodies?
>
> Evidence from many different religions that have a belief in spirit bodies
> and/or souls. Many of them such as American Indians were isolated from
> members of other religions when they developed their beliefs.
truth.
>
> God speaks not only to Christians and Jews but has also spoken to the
> members of many other religions such as American Indians and Africans that
> lived in rain forests or near rain forests.
The fact that many people believe something is NOT evidence of its
> God speaks not only to Christians and Jews but has also spoken to the
> members of many other religions such as American Indians and Africans that
> lived in rain forests or near rain forests.
truth.
>
> Various authors have written books comparing hundreds of various religious
> beliefs--they have lots of things in common such as beliefs in souls or
> spirit bodies. They also believe in heaven and in God or Gods.
The fact that many people believe something is NOT evidence of its
> Various authors have written books comparing hundreds of various religious
> beliefs--they have lots of things in common such as beliefs in souls or
> spirit bodies. They also believe in heaven and in God or Gods.
truth.
>
> It's not by chance--I believe that God has talked to the religious leaders
> of various religions over the years.
>
The fact that you believe something is NOT evidence of its truth.
> It's not by chance--I believe that God has talked to the religious leaders
> of various religions over the years.
>
--
gladys swager
Jul 16, 2012, 7:23:50 PM7/16/12
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On Monday, July 16, 2012, Barry OGrady wrote:
> If any (wo)man's work abide which (s)he has done, (s)he shall receive
> a reward.
> If any (wo)man's work shall be burned, (s)he shall suffer loss;
the Christian teachings
John 5 : 22 Jesus said, The Father...has committed all judgement to the Son (ie Jesus)
Hebrews 9 : 27 And it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgement
Jude 14(b), 15, 18, The Lord comes....to execute judgement upon all,
and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds
which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him... that ...there should be mockers in the last time, who (would) walk after their own ungodly lusts.
Gladys Swager
> On Sun, 15 Jul 2012, gladys swager wrote:
> On Monday, July 16, 2012, Virgil wrote:
> Father Haskell wrote:
> What happens to all your knowledge and all that you are that is not
> physical and not brain centered.
> You mean memories? They're physically stored.
> Nonsense! A brain loses all memory as it dies.
>
> You have no proof at all about what happens to the memories within our brains
> when we die.
>
> When brain activity ceases everything that makes you ceases.
>
> Biblically, (New Testament) the spirit lives on to stand before God our Creator
> and to be judged by Him as to what we did about His Son, Jesus Christ;
> whether we believed in Him and had followed His will for our lives
> On Monday, July 16, 2012, Virgil wrote:
> Father Haskell wrote:
> What happens to all your knowledge and all that you are that is not
> physical and not brain centered.
> You mean memories? They're physically stored.
> Nonsense! A brain loses all memory as it dies.
>
> You have no proof at all about what happens to the memories within our brains
> when we die.
>
> When brain activity ceases everything that makes you ceases.
>
> Biblically, (New Testament) the spirit lives on to stand before God our Creator
> and to be judged by Him as to what we did about His Son, Jesus Christ;
> whether we believed in Him and had followed His will for our lives
> whether we have sought to do good to others
> as we had placed our trust in Him.
> as we had placed our trust in Him.
> Corinthians 3 : 11 - 15
>
> Biblically perhaps, but not in reality.
>
> For other foundation can no (wo)man lay than that is laid which is
> Jesus Christ. Now if any (wo)man build upon this foundation gold,
> silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble (ie signifying the quality
> of the deeds) every (wo)man's work shall be be made manifest; for the
>
> Biblically perhaps, but not in reality.
>
> For other foundation can no (wo)man lay than that is laid which is
> Jesus Christ. Now if any (wo)man build upon this foundation gold,
> silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble (ie signifying the quality
> day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire,
> and the fire shall try every (wo)man's work of what sort it is.
> If any (wo)man's work abide which (s)he has done, (s)he shall receive
> a reward.
> If any (wo)man's work shall be burned, (s)he shall suffer loss;
> but (s)he shall be saved yet so as by fire (through faith in Jesus Christ).
>
> John 3 : 16 Jesus said, For God so loved the world that He gave His
> only begotten Son that whosoever believes in Him should not perish,
> ****but have everlasting life.
>
> You would be in real trouble if any of that was true.
>
That is your judgement, Barry. You have taken it upon yourself to change
>
> John 3 : 16 Jesus said, For God so loved the world that He gave His
> only begotten Son that whosoever believes in Him should not perish,
> ****but have everlasting life.
>
> You would be in real trouble if any of that was true.
>
the Christian teachings
John 5 : 22 Jesus said, The Father...has committed all judgement to the Son (ie Jesus)
Hebrews 9 : 27 And it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgement
Jude 14(b), 15, 18, The Lord comes....to execute judgement upon all,
and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds
which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him... that ...there should be mockers in the last time, who (would) walk after their own ungodly lusts.
Gladys Swager
Barry OGrady
Jul 16, 2012, 7:50:26 PM7/16/12
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On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 16:23:50 -0700 (PDT), gladys swager
<gsw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Monday, July 16, 2012, Barry OGrady wrote:
>> On Sun, 15 Jul 2012, gladys swager wrote:
>> On Monday, July 16, 2012, Virgil wrote:
>> Father Haskell wrote:
>> What happens to all your knowledge and all that you are that is not
>> physical and not brain centered.
>> You mean memories? They're physically stored.
>
>> Nonsense! A brain loses all memory as it dies.
>>
>> You have no proof at all about what happens to the memories within our brains
>> when we die.
I didn't write that.
<gsw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Monday, July 16, 2012, Barry OGrady wrote:
>> On Sun, 15 Jul 2012, gladys swager wrote:
>> On Monday, July 16, 2012, Virgil wrote:
>> Father Haskell wrote:
>> What happens to all your knowledge and all that you are that is not
>> physical and not brain centered.
>> You mean memories? They're physically stored.
>
>> Nonsense! A brain loses all memory as it dies.
>>
>> You have no proof at all about what happens to the memories within our brains
>> when we die.
>> When brain activity ceases everything that makes you ceases.
>>
>> Biblically, (New Testament) the spirit lives on to stand before God our Creator
>> and to be judged by Him as to what we did about His Son, Jesus Christ;
>> whether we believed in Him and had followed His will for our lives
>> whether we have sought to do good to others
>> as we had placed our trust in Him.
>> Corinthians 3 : 11 - 15
>> Biblically perhaps, but not in reality.
>>
>> For other foundation can no (wo)man lay than that is laid which is
>> Jesus Christ. Now if any (wo)man build upon this foundation gold,
>> silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble (ie signifying the quality
>> of the deeds) every (wo)man's work shall be be made manifest; for the
>> day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire,
>> and the fire shall try every (wo)man's work of what sort it is.
>> If any (wo)man's work abide which (s)he has done, (s)he shall receive
>> a reward.
>> If any (wo)man's work shall be burned, (s)he shall suffer loss;
>> but (s)he shall be saved yet so as by fire (through faith in Jesus Christ).
>>
>> John 3 : 16 Jesus said, For God so loved the world that He gave His
>> only begotten Son that whosoever believes in Him should not perish,
>> ****but have everlasting life.
>> You would be in real trouble if any of that was true.
>>
>That is your judgement, Barry. You have taken it upon yourself to change
>the Christian teachings
and ignore usenet conventions.
Maybe I should follow your lead and ignore everything you post.
>John 5 : 22 Jesus said, The Father...has committed all judgement to
>the Son (ie Jesus) Hebrews 9 : 27 And it is appointed unto men once to
>die, but after this the judgement Jude 14(b), 15, 18, The Lord
>comes....to execute judgement upon all, and to convince all that are
>ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly
>committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have
>spoken against Him... that ...there should be mockers in the last
>time, who (would) walk after their own ungodly lusts.
You would be in real trouble if any of that was true.
Devils Advocaat
Jul 16, 2012, 11:26:48 PM7/16/12
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On Jul 16, 10:42 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <virgil-1B3DFC.14430416072...@bignews.usenetmonster.com>,
> > <Jason-1607121241380...@67-150-175-200.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
So you have no evidence, only beliefs.
> In article <virgil-1B3DFC.14430416072...@bignews.usenetmonster.com>,
> > <Jason-1607121241380...@67-150-175-200.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
Wombat
Jul 17, 2012, 1:24:11 AM7/17/12
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Devils Advocaat
Jul 17, 2012, 1:36:36 AM7/17/12
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Virgil
Jul 17, 2012, 2:09:29 AM7/17/12
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In article
<Jason-16071...@67-150-125-126.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > The Aztecs used to celebrate winning basketball games
> > by ripping out the losers' still-beating hearts and offering
> > them to the gods. I guess that's perfectly compatible with
> > xianity, at least according to your args.
>
> I bet they did not have very many people that were willing to play
> basketball in those days.
Wrong! It was considered to be a great honor to be the one sacrificed!
Which illustrated the stupidity of theist religions.
--
<Jason-16071...@67-150-125-126.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > The Aztecs used to celebrate winning basketball games
> > by ripping out the losers' still-beating hearts and offering
> > them to the gods. I guess that's perfectly compatible with
> > xianity, at least according to your args.
>
> I bet they did not have very many people that were willing to play
> basketball in those days.
Wrong! It was considered to be a great honor to be the one sacrificed!
Which illustrated the stupidity of theist religions.
--
Father Haskell
Jul 17, 2012, 4:00:30 AM7/17/12
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> <Jason-1607122238090...@67-150-125-126.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
It was the winners who were sacrificed?
Devils Advocaat
Jul 17, 2012, 4:56:17 AM7/17/12
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Wombat
Jul 17, 2012, 4:56:50 AM7/17/12
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Les
Jul 17, 2012, 5:24:34 AM7/17/12
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On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 14:42:05 -0700, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>In article <virgil-1B3DFC....@bignews.usenetmonster.com>,
>Virgil <vir...@ligriv.com> wrote:
>
>> In article
>> <Jason-16071...@67-150-175-200.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
>> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>>
>> > Let's say that a twin brother had a heart attack and dies. The other twin
>> > brother does not have a heart attack.
>> >
>> > The only major difference between them is that one has his spirit body
>> > inside of him and the other twin brother has his spirit body in heaven or
>> > in hell.
>>
>> What concrete evidence can you present supporting your claim of
>> existence of such spirit bodies?
>
>Evidence from many different religions that have a belief in spirit bodies
>and/or souls. Many of them such as American Indians were isolated from
>members of other religions when they developed their beliefs.
He did not ask for evidence of relgious belief. We already have masses
>In article <virgil-1B3DFC....@bignews.usenetmonster.com>,
>Virgil <vir...@ligriv.com> wrote:
>
>> In article
>> <Jason-16071...@67-150-175-200.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
>> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>>
>> > Let's say that a twin brother had a heart attack and dies. The other twin
>> > brother does not have a heart attack.
>> >
>> > The only major difference between them is that one has his spirit body
>> > inside of him and the other twin brother has his spirit body in heaven or
>> > in hell.
>>
>> What concrete evidence can you present supporting your claim of
>> existence of such spirit bodies?
>
>Evidence from many different religions that have a belief in spirit bodies
>and/or souls. Many of them such as American Indians were isolated from
>members of other religions when they developed their beliefs.
of evidence for that you do not need to provide more examples.
>God speaks not only to Christians and Jews but has also spoken to the
>members of many other religions such as American Indians and Africans that
>lived in rain forests or near rain forests.
"The weight of evidence for an extraordinary claim must be
proportioned to its strangeness."
attributed to Pierre-Simon Marquis de Laplace (1749-1827), a French
mathematician and astronomer
>Various authors have written books comparing hundreds of various religious
>beliefs--they have lots of things in common such as beliefs in souls or
>spirit bodies. They also believe in heaven and in God or Gods.
>It's not by chance--I believe that God has talked to the religious leaders
>of various religions over the years.
If you claim there are gods or spririts and you wish us to accept
these claims then we will require supporting evidence.
Always remember this good advice from the bible:
"Prove all things; hold fast that which is good."
- 1 Thessalonians 5:2
Since you failed (did not even bother) to even try do this your
claims, that there are gods and spririts are hereby dismissed.
Next
Les Hellawell
Greeting from:
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
"In our more diverse and secular society, the place of religion has
come to be a matter of lively discussion. It is rightly acknowledged
that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue and that the wellbeing
and prosperity of the nation depend on the contribution of individuals
and groups of all faiths and of none. "
- Her Mayesty Queen Elizabeth II
- from a speech to the Synond of the Church of England in 2010
Devils Advocaat
Jul 17, 2012, 8:41:09 AM7/17/12
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Caranx latus
Jul 17, 2012, 10:00:28 AM7/17/12
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On Jul 16, 5:42 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <virgil-1B3DFC.14430416072...@bignews.usenetmonster.com>,
> > <Jason-1607121241380...@67-150-175-200.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
have the same set of dogma?
<snip>
> In article <virgil-1B3DFC.14430416072...@bignews.usenetmonster.com>,
> > <Jason-1607121241380...@67-150-175-200.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > > Let's say that a twin brother had a heart attack and dies. The other twin
> > > brother does not have a heart attack.
>
> > > The only major difference between them is that one has his spirit body
> > > inside of him and the other twin brother has his spirit body in heaven or
> > > in hell.
>
> > What concrete evidence can you present supporting your claim of
> > existence of such spirit bodies?
>
> Evidence from many different religions that have a belief in spirit bodies
> and/or souls. Many of them such as American Indians were isolated from
> members of other religions when they developed their beliefs.
>
> God speaks not only to Christians and Jews but has also spoken to the
> members of many other religions such as American Indians and Africans that
> lived in rain forests or near rain forests.
Good grief! Does he mumble or something? Is that why no two religions
>
> > > Let's say that a twin brother had a heart attack and dies. The other twin
> > > brother does not have a heart attack.
>
> > > The only major difference between them is that one has his spirit body
> > > inside of him and the other twin brother has his spirit body in heaven or
> > > in hell.
>
> > What concrete evidence can you present supporting your claim of
> > existence of such spirit bodies?
>
> Evidence from many different religions that have a belief in spirit bodies
> and/or souls. Many of them such as American Indians were isolated from
> members of other religions when they developed their beliefs.
>
> God speaks not only to Christians and Jews but has also spoken to the
> members of many other religions such as American Indians and Africans that
> lived in rain forests or near rain forests.
have the same set of dogma?
<snip>
Wombat
Jul 17, 2012, 12:34:55 PM7/17/12
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apotheosis. I see he has posted 600 plus times this month already. I
wonder what happened to his promise?
Devils Advocaat
Jul 17, 2012, 2:16:46 PM7/17/12
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dogma".
Devils Advocaat
Jul 17, 2012, 2:17:40 PM7/17/12
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Jason
Jul 17, 2012, 4:38:06 PM7/17/12
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In article
<40a7253f-4999-458f...@fi17g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
> On Jul 17, 2:41=A0pm, Devils Advocaat <mankygo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Jul 17, 9:56=A0am, Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Jul 17, 7:36=A0am, Devils Advocaat <mankygo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > On Jul 17, 6:24=A0am, Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
> >
> > > > > On Jul 16, 8:57=A0pm, Devils Advocaat <mankygo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > On Jul 16, 7:19=A0pm, Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
> groups.com>,
> >
> > > > > > > > > >> =A0Jope <jope...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >> > On Jul 8, 7:13 pm, casey <jgkjca...@yahoo.com.au> wrot=
> , get
> > > > > > > > > >recycled, and continue as you've always been, a part of th=
> e universe.
> >
> > > > > > > > > What happens to all your knowledge and all that you are tha=
> d. However,
> > > > > > > > when you die--your spirit body will end up in heaven or in he=
> ll.
> >
> > > > > > > > Your best option is to become a Christian so that you will en=
> case
> > > > > > > you are screwed. =A0Pascal's wager doesn't work, unless you thi=
> souls. I once
> > > > > > > > was a fan of a television show that I believe was called GHOS=
> T WHISPERER.
> > > > > > > > God and heaven were NEVER mentioned but they showed on a regu=
> depth to
> > > > > > > your idiocy. =A0Try the afterlife in the series Torchwood.
<40a7253f-4999-458f...@fi17g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
> On Jul 17, 2:41=A0pm, Devils Advocaat <mankygo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Jul 17, 9:56=A0am, Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Jul 17, 7:36=A0am, Devils Advocaat <mankygo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > On Jul 17, 6:24=A0am, Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
> >
> > > > > On Jul 16, 8:57=A0pm, Devils Advocaat <mankygo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > On Jul 16, 7:19=A0pm, Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > On Jul 16, 3:39=A0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > In article <hec6089n1h1l2hitoqk9d5uj1tglo60...@4ax.com>, duke
> >
> > > > > > > > <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 03:28:40 -0700 (PDT), Devils Advocaat
> >
> > > > > > > > <mankygo...@gmail.com>
> >
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > >On Jul 9, 6:44=A0am, Virgil <vir...@ligriv.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >> In article
> > > > > > > > > >> <a2537159-cdbf-44be-81b6-8a6acd6ac...@h10g2000yqn.google=
> > > > > > > On Jul 16, 3:39=A0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > In article <hec6089n1h1l2hitoqk9d5uj1tglo60...@4ax.com>, duke
> >
> > > > > > > > <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 03:28:40 -0700 (PDT), Devils Advocaat
> >
> > > > > > > > <mankygo...@gmail.com>
> >
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > >On Jul 9, 6:44=A0am, Virgil <vir...@ligriv.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >> In article
> groups.com>,
> >
> > > > > > > > > >> =A0Jope <jope...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >> > On Jul 8, 7:13 pm, casey <jgkjca...@yahoo.com.au> wrot=
> e:
> > > > > > > > > >> > > What happens after we die can be answered if we
> > > > > > > > > >> > > understand what we are before we die.
> >
> > > > > > > > > >> > > So we don't have to wait until we die to answer
> > > > > > > > > >> > > the question. And even if we "found ourselves in
> > > > > > > > > >> > > heaven or hell" after death it wouldn't prove
> > > > > > > > > >> > > life after death only that whatever appeared in
> > > > > > > > > >> > > heaven or hell had the memory of someone who
> > > > > > > > > >> > > once lived. So you will not find out for sure
> > > > > > > > > >> > > if you (the now you in heaven or hell) really
> > > > > > > > > >> > > existed once before after death.
> >
> > > > > > > > > >> > > All the evidence is that we are a brain process.
> >
> > > > > > > > > >> > > The brain creates a model of its environment and
> > > > > > > > > >> > > that includes a model of itself both as a physical
> > > > > > > > > >> > > entity and as a process creating that model.
> >
> > > > > > > > > >> > > The brain is continually changing so what is it
> > > > > > > > > >> > > that continues while the brain is intact that can
> > > > > > > > > >> > > be called the Self.
> >
> > > > > > > > > >> > > In a dreamless sleep or coma the Self is "turned off=
> > > > > > > > > >> > > What happens after we die can be answered if we
> > > > > > > > > >> > > understand what we are before we die.
> >
> > > > > > > > > >> > > So we don't have to wait until we die to answer
> > > > > > > > > >> > > the question. And even if we "found ourselves in
> > > > > > > > > >> > > heaven or hell" after death it wouldn't prove
> > > > > > > > > >> > > life after death only that whatever appeared in
> > > > > > > > > >> > > heaven or hell had the memory of someone who
> > > > > > > > > >> > > once lived. So you will not find out for sure
> > > > > > > > > >> > > if you (the now you in heaven or hell) really
> > > > > > > > > >> > > existed once before after death.
> >
> > > > > > > > > >> > > All the evidence is that we are a brain process.
> >
> > > > > > > > > >> > > The brain creates a model of its environment and
> > > > > > > > > >> > > that includes a model of itself both as a physical
> > > > > > > > > >> > > entity and as a process creating that model.
> >
> > > > > > > > > >> > > The brain is continually changing so what is it
> > > > > > > > > >> > > that continues while the brain is intact that can
> > > > > > > > > >> > > be called the Self.
> >
> ".
> > > > > > > > > >> > > When the brain awakes the Self returns once again.
> > > > > > > > > >> > > At least the Self experiences itself as returning
> > > > > > > > > >> > > again because it has a episodic memory system.
> >
> > > > > > > > > >> > > That Self can access memories of previous brain stat=
> > > > > > > > > >> > > When the brain awakes the Self returns once again.
> > > > > > > > > >> > > At least the Self experiences itself as returning
> > > > > > > > > >> > > again because it has a episodic memory system.
> >
> es
> > > > > > > > > >> > > which included itself as being present.
> >
> > > > > > > > > >> > > In reality you only experience yourself as the same
> > > > > > > > > >> > > person throughout your life because at any give time
> > > > > > > > > >> > > you have access to a episodic memory. Without it
> > > > > > > > > >> > > you would have to say you have just "woken up" which
> > > > > > > > > >> > > is exactly what subjects with certain brain damage
> > > > > > > > > >> > > do say. You would deny that you existed as an awake
> > > > > > > > > >> > > person 10 minutes ago when in fact you did exist as
> > > > > > > > > >> > > an awake person.
> >
> > > > > > > > > >> > > It is this NOW memory of a past and predicted future
> > > > > > > > > >> > > that makes up the continual and yet changing Self.
> >
> > > > > > > > > >> > I know of somebody who while doing a breathing exercis=
> > > > > > > > > >> > > which included itself as being present.
> >
> > > > > > > > > >> > > In reality you only experience yourself as the same
> > > > > > > > > >> > > person throughout your life because at any give time
> > > > > > > > > >> > > you have access to a episodic memory. Without it
> > > > > > > > > >> > > you would have to say you have just "woken up" which
> > > > > > > > > >> > > is exactly what subjects with certain brain damage
> > > > > > > > > >> > > do say. You would deny that you existed as an awake
> > > > > > > > > >> > > person 10 minutes ago when in fact you did exist as
> > > > > > > > > >> > > an awake person.
> >
> > > > > > > > > >> > > It is this NOW memory of a past and predicted future
> > > > > > > > > >> > > that makes up the continual and yet changing Self.
> >
> e got out of his
> > > > > > > > > >> > body.
> > > > > > > > > >> > And while standing at an elevated position inside the =
> > > > > > > > > >> > body.
> room , he saw
> > > > > > > > > >> > his very own body lying in bed.
> > > > > > > > > >> > The soul is the real you,the body is just a shell .If =
> > > > > > > > > >> > his very own body lying in bed.
> you die as an
> > > > > > > > > >> > atheist ,eternal torments await.
> >
> > > > > > > > > >> Until science has verified the existence of a 'soul' who=
> > > > > > > > > >> > atheist ,eternal torments await.
> >
> se life is
> > > > > > > > > >> independent of that of the body, it is merely myth that
> > > > > > > > > >> (1) anyone has anything like a soul at all, and
> > > > > > > > > >> (2) that such a soul could survive the death of the body=
> > > > > > > > > >> independent of that of the body, it is merely myth that
> > > > > > > > > >> (1) anyone has anything like a soul at all, and
> in which it
> > > > > > > > > >> allegedly resides.
> > > > > > > > > >> --
> >
> > > > > > > > > >In response to the subject line, after death you decompose=
> > > > > > > > > >> allegedly resides.
> > > > > > > > > >> --
> >
> , get
> > > > > > > > > >recycled, and continue as you've always been, a part of th=
> e universe.
> >
> > > > > > > > > What happens to all your knowledge and all that you are tha=
> t is not
> > > > > > > > physical and
> > > > > > > > > not brain centered.
> >
> > > > > > > > > The dukester, American - American
> > > > > > > > > ********************************************
> > > > > > > > > A vote for obama is a vote for the end of
> > > > > > > > > democracy in America as we know it. Let the
> > > > > > > > > rolling thunder guide your decision at the
> > > > > > > > > ballot box to put an end to Imperial Obama.
> > > > > > > > > May God bless America.
> > > > > > > > > ********************************************
> >
> > > > > > > > You are correct as far as the human physical body is concerne=
> > > > > > > > physical and
> > > > > > > > > not brain centered.
> >
> > > > > > > > > The dukester, American - American
> > > > > > > > > ********************************************
> > > > > > > > > A vote for obama is a vote for the end of
> > > > > > > > > democracy in America as we know it. Let the
> > > > > > > > > rolling thunder guide your decision at the
> > > > > > > > > ballot box to put an end to Imperial Obama.
> > > > > > > > > May God bless America.
> > > > > > > > > ********************************************
> >
> d. However,
> > > > > > > > when you die--your spirit body will end up in heaven or in he=
> ll.
> >
> > > > > > > > Your best option is to become a Christian so that you will en=
> d up in
> > > > > > > > heaven when you die.
> >
> > > > > > > Unless the deity you SHOULD be worshipping is Cthulhu in which =
> > > > > > > > heaven when you die.
> >
> case
> > > > > > > you are screwed. =A0Pascal's wager doesn't work, unless you thi=
> nk your
> > > > > > > deity is stupider than you are.
> >
> > > > > > > > Even non-Chistians believe that people have spirit bodies or =
> > > > > > > deity is stupider than you are.
> >
> souls. I once
> > > > > > > > was a fan of a television show that I believe was called GHOS=
> T WHISPERER.
> > > > > > > > God and heaven were NEVER mentioned but they showed on a regu=
> lar
> > > > > > > > basis--spirit bodies leaving people when they died.
> >
> > > > > > > Ye gods and little fishes. =A0That was fiction! =A0Is there no =
> > > > > > > > basis--spirit bodies leaving people when they died.
> >
> depth to
> > > > > > > your idiocy. =A0Try the afterlife in the series Torchwood.
> >
> > > > > > I think that would scare the pants off of the theists.
> >
> > > > > That's why I mentioned it.
> >
> > > > But have any theists in here watched Torchwood?
> >
> > > Probably not the uber-ones that post here.
> >
> > Uber-ones? Wouldn't they all be in their heaven by now? :P
>
> Well Jason seems to think it's all over bar the shouting for his
> apotheosis. I see he has posted 600 plus times this month already. I
> wonder what happened to his promise?
This is a different thread.
> > > > > > I think that would scare the pants off of the theists.
> >
> > > > > That's why I mentioned it.
> >
> > > > But have any theists in here watched Torchwood?
> >
> > > Probably not the uber-ones that post here.
> >
> > Uber-ones? Wouldn't they all be in their heaven by now? :P
>
> Well Jason seems to think it's all over bar the shouting for his
> apotheosis. I see he has posted 600 plus times this month already. I
> wonder what happened to his promise?
Jason
Jul 17, 2012, 4:41:35 PM7/17/12
to
In article
<cc803909-0818-4413...@q29g2000vby.googlegroups.com>,
Devils Advocaat <manky...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 17, 9:00=A0am, Father Haskell <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
<cc803909-0818-4413...@q29g2000vby.googlegroups.com>,
Devils Advocaat <manky...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 17, 9:00=A0am, Father Haskell <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Jul 17, 2:09=A0am, Virgil <vir...@ligriv.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > In article
> > > <Jason-1607122238090...@67-150-125-126.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> >
> > > =A0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > > > The Aztecs used to celebrate winning basketball games
> > > > > by ripping out the losers' still-beating hearts and offering
> > > > > them to the gods. =A0I guess that's perfectly compatible with
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > In article
> > > <Jason-1607122238090...@67-150-125-126.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> >
> > > =A0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > > > The Aztecs used to celebrate winning basketball games
> > > > > by ripping out the losers' still-beating hearts and offering
> > > > > xianity, at least according to your args.
> >
> > > > I bet they did not have very many people that were willing to play
> > > > basketball in those days.
> >
> > > Wrong! It was considered to be a great honor to be the one sacrificed!
> >
> > > Which illustrated the stupidity of theist religions.
> >
> > It was the winners who were sacrificed?
>
> It sure was!
I would have made sure I missed every basket.
> >
> > > > I bet they did not have very many people that were willing to play
> > > > basketball in those days.
> >
> > > Wrong! It was considered to be a great honor to be the one sacrificed!
> >
> > > Which illustrated the stupidity of theist religions.
> >
> > It was the winners who were sacrificed?
>
> It sure was!
Free Lunch
Jul 17, 2012, 6:52:18 PM7/17/12
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On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 13:41:35 -0700, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
alt.talk.creationism:
Win the game, go immediately to heaven. Jason, you don't believe.
alt.talk.creationism:
Wombat
Jul 18, 2012, 1:04:01 AM7/18/12
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> <40a7253f-4999-458f-8875-9e0445d0f...@fi17g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
You are back to posting around 25 times each day, despite your promise
to Mary. How's that job list going?
to Mary. How's that job list going?
Jason
Jul 18, 2012, 3:02:06 AM7/18/12
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In article <g4rb08hg0s6akot1v...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch
I am not afraid of dying but am not interested in taking the next train out.
Devils Advocaat
Jul 18, 2012, 3:01:26 AM7/18/12
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On Jul 18, 8:02 am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <g4rb08hg0s6akot1v0nlj9l9rbur2li...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch
> In article <g4rb08hg0s6akot1v0nlj9l9rbur2li...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> > On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 13:41:35 -0700, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > alt.talk.creationism:
>
> > >In article
> > ><cc803909-0818-4413-a08a-8b96b4c6d...@q29g2000vby.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> > On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 13:41:35 -0700, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > alt.talk.creationism:
>
> > >In article
> > >Devils Advocaat <mankygo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> On Jul 17, 9:00=A0am, Father Haskell <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >> > On Jul 17, 2:09=A0am, Virgil <vir...@ligriv.com> wrote:
>
> > >> > > In article
> > >> > > <Jason-1607122238090...@67-150-125-126.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
>
> > >> > > =A0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > >> > > > > The Aztecs used to celebrate winning basketball games
> > >> > > > > by ripping out the losers' still-beating hearts and offering
> > >> > > > > them to the gods. =A0I guess that's perfectly compatible with
> > >> > > > > xianity, at least according to your args.
>
> > >> > > > I bet they did not have very many people that were willing to play
> > >> > > > basketball in those days.
>
> > >> > > Wrong! It was considered to be a great honor to be the one sacrificed!
>
> > >> > > Which illustrated the stupidity of theist religions.
>
> > >> > It was the winners who were sacrificed?
>
> > >> It sure was!
>
> > >I would have made sure I missed every basket.
>
> > Win the game, go immediately to heaven. Jason, you don't believe.
>
> I am not afraid of dying but am not interested in taking the next train out.
Are you truly unafraid of death?
>
> > >> On Jul 17, 9:00=A0am, Father Haskell <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >> > On Jul 17, 2:09=A0am, Virgil <vir...@ligriv.com> wrote:
>
> > >> > > In article
> > >> > > <Jason-1607122238090...@67-150-125-126.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
>
> > >> > > =A0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > >> > > > > The Aztecs used to celebrate winning basketball games
> > >> > > > > by ripping out the losers' still-beating hearts and offering
> > >> > > > > them to the gods. =A0I guess that's perfectly compatible with
> > >> > > > > xianity, at least according to your args.
>
> > >> > > > I bet they did not have very many people that were willing to play
> > >> > > > basketball in those days.
>
> > >> > > Wrong! It was considered to be a great honor to be the one sacrificed!
>
> > >> > > Which illustrated the stupidity of theist religions.
>
> > >> > It was the winners who were sacrificed?
>
> > >> It sure was!
>
> > >I would have made sure I missed every basket.
>
> > Win the game, go immediately to heaven. Jason, you don't believe.
>
> I am not afraid of dying but am not interested in taking the next train out.
duke
Jul 18, 2012, 8:28:06 AM7/18/12
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On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 14:42:25 -0700 (PDT), Father Haskell
<father...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Jul 15, 5:11 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 03:28:40 -0700 (PDT), Devils Advocaat <mankygo...@gmail.com>
>>
>> >> Jope <jope...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > body.
>> >> > And while standing at an elevated position inside the room , he saw
>> >> > atheist ,eternal torments await.
>>
>> >> Until science has verified the existence of a 'soul' whose life is
>> >> allegedly resides.
>> >> --
>>
>> >In response to the subject line, after death you decompose, get
>> >recycled, and continue as you've always been, a part of the universe.
>>
>> What happens to all your knowledge and all that you are that is not physical and
>> not brain centered.
>
<father...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Jul 15, 5:11 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 03:28:40 -0700 (PDT), Devils Advocaat <mankygo...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Jul 9, 6:44 am, Virgil <vir...@ligriv.com> wrote:
>> >> In article
>> >> <a2537159-cdbf-44be-81b6-8a6acd6ac...@h10g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Jul 9, 6:44 am, Virgil <vir...@ligriv.com> wrote:
>> >> In article
>>
>> >> Jope <jope...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > On Jul 8, 7:13 pm, casey <jgkjca...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>> >> > > What happens after we die can be answered if we
>> >> > > understand what we are before we die.
>>
>> >> > > So we don't have to wait until we die to answer
>> >> > > the question. And even if we "found ourselves in
>> >> > > heaven or hell" after death it wouldn't prove
>> >> > > life after death only that whatever appeared in
>> >> > > heaven or hell had the memory of someone who
>> >> > > once lived. So you will not find out for sure
>> >> > > if you (the now you in heaven or hell) really
>> >> > > existed once before after death.
>>
>> >> > > All the evidence is that we are a brain process.
>>
>> >> > > The brain creates a model of its environment and
>> >> > > that includes a model of itself both as a physical
>> >> > > entity and as a process creating that model.
>>
>> >> > > The brain is continually changing so what is it
>> >> > > that continues while the brain is intact that can
>> >> > > be called the Self.
>>
>> >> > > In a dreamless sleep or coma the Self is "turned off".
>> >> > > What happens after we die can be answered if we
>> >> > > understand what we are before we die.
>>
>> >> > > So we don't have to wait until we die to answer
>> >> > > the question. And even if we "found ourselves in
>> >> > > heaven or hell" after death it wouldn't prove
>> >> > > life after death only that whatever appeared in
>> >> > > heaven or hell had the memory of someone who
>> >> > > once lived. So you will not find out for sure
>> >> > > if you (the now you in heaven or hell) really
>> >> > > existed once before after death.
>>
>> >> > > All the evidence is that we are a brain process.
>>
>> >> > > The brain creates a model of its environment and
>> >> > > that includes a model of itself both as a physical
>> >> > > entity and as a process creating that model.
>>
>> >> > > The brain is continually changing so what is it
>> >> > > that continues while the brain is intact that can
>> >> > > be called the Self.
>>
>> >> > > When the brain awakes the Self returns once again.
>> >> > > At least the Self experiences itself as returning
>> >> > > again because it has a episodic memory system.
>>
>> >> > > That Self can access memories of previous brain states
>> >> > > At least the Self experiences itself as returning
>> >> > > again because it has a episodic memory system.
>>
>> >> > > which included itself as being present.
>>
>> >> > > In reality you only experience yourself as the same
>> >> > > person throughout your life because at any give time
>> >> > > you have access to a episodic memory. Without it
>> >> > > you would have to say you have just "woken up" which
>> >> > > is exactly what subjects with certain brain damage
>> >> > > do say. You would deny that you existed as an awake
>> >> > > person 10 minutes ago when in fact you did exist as
>> >> > > an awake person.
>>
>> >> > > It is this NOW memory of a past and predicted future
>> >> > > that makes up the continual and yet changing Self.
>>
>> >> > I know of somebody who while doing a breathing exercise got out of his
>>
>> >> > > In reality you only experience yourself as the same
>> >> > > person throughout your life because at any give time
>> >> > > you have access to a episodic memory. Without it
>> >> > > you would have to say you have just "woken up" which
>> >> > > is exactly what subjects with certain brain damage
>> >> > > do say. You would deny that you existed as an awake
>> >> > > person 10 minutes ago when in fact you did exist as
>> >> > > an awake person.
>>
>> >> > > It is this NOW memory of a past and predicted future
>> >> > > that makes up the continual and yet changing Self.
>>
>> >> > body.
>> >> > And while standing at an elevated position inside the room , he saw
>> >> > his very own body lying in bed.
>> >> > The soul is the real you,the body is just a shell .If you die as an
>> >> > atheist ,eternal torments await.
>>
>> >> Until science has verified the existence of a 'soul' whose life is
>> >> independent of that of the body, it is merely myth that
>> >> (1) anyone has anything like a soul at all, and
>> >> (2) that such a soul could survive the death of the body in which it
>> >> (1) anyone has anything like a soul at all, and
>> >> allegedly resides.
>> >> --
>>
>> >In response to the subject line, after death you decompose, get
>> >recycled, and continue as you've always been, a part of the universe.
>>
>> What happens to all your knowledge and all that you are that is not physical and
>> not brain centered.
>
>You mean memories? They're physically stored.
I'm asking if knowledge goes away.
duke
Jul 18, 2012, 8:29:38 AM7/18/12
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On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 18:39:54 -0700, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>In article <hec6089n1h1l2hito...@4ax.com>, duke
><manky...@gmail.com>
>You are correct as far as the human physical body is concerned. However,
>when you die--your spirit body will end up in heaven or in hell.
Will the spirit be reintroduced to the physical glorified body?
>Your best option is to become a Christian so that you will end up in
>heaven when you die.
Not if you don't follow God.
>Even non-Chistians believe that people have spirit bodies or souls. I once
>was a fan of a television show that I believe was called GHOST WHISPERER.
>God and heaven were NEVER mentioned but they showed on a regular
>In article <hec6089n1h1l2hito...@4ax.com>, duke
><manky...@gmail.com>
>when you die--your spirit body will end up in heaven or in hell.
Will the spirit be reintroduced to the physical glorified body?
>Your best option is to become a Christian so that you will end up in
>heaven when you die.
Not if you don't follow God.
>Even non-Chistians believe that people have spirit bodies or souls. I once
>was a fan of a television show that I believe was called GHOST WHISPERER.
>God and heaven were NEVER mentioned but they showed on a regular
>basis--spirit bodies leaving people when they died.
Time to give up tv.
duke
Jul 18, 2012, 3:55:18 PM7/18/12
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On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 21:40:24 -0700 (PDT), Devils Advocaat <manky...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>> You are correct as far as the human physical body is concerned. However,
>> when you die--your spirit body will end up in heaven or in hell.
>You have no objective evidence for spirit bodies, heaven or hell.
I most certainly have objective evidence. The only man to go there and come
back to talk about it said so.
>> Your best option is to become a Christian so that you will end up in
>> heaven when you die.
>Even if it existed, you've no guarantee that as a Christian you'll end
>up in heaven.
But one hell of a lot better chance than an atheist.
wrote:
>> You are correct as far as the human physical body is concerned. However,
>> when you die--your spirit body will end up in heaven or in hell.
I most certainly have objective evidence. The only man to go there and come
back to talk about it said so.
>> Your best option is to become a Christian so that you will end up in
>> heaven when you die.
>up in heaven.
But one hell of a lot better chance than an atheist.
Father Haskell
Jul 18, 2012, 4:08:49 PM7/18/12
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On Jul 18, 3:55 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 21:40:24 -0700 (PDT), Devils Advocaat <mankygo...@gmail.com>
> On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 21:40:24 -0700 (PDT), Devils Advocaat <mankygo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >> You are correct as far as the human physical body is concerned. However,
> >> when you die--your spirit body will end up in heaven or in hell.
> >You have no objective evidence for spirit bodies, heaven or hell.
>
> I most certainly have objective evidence. The only man to go there and come
> back to talk about it said so.
>
> >> Your best option is to become a Christian so that you will end up in
> >> heaven when you die.
> >Even if it existed, you've no guarantee that as a Christian you'll end
> >up in heaven.
>
> But one hell of a lot better chance than an atheist.
When was the last atheist who violated the 2nd commandment?
>
> >> You are correct as far as the human physical body is concerned. However,
> >> when you die--your spirit body will end up in heaven or in hell.
> >You have no objective evidence for spirit bodies, heaven or hell.
>
> I most certainly have objective evidence. The only man to go there and come
> back to talk about it said so.
>
> >> Your best option is to become a Christian so that you will end up in
> >> heaven when you die.
> >Even if it existed, you've no guarantee that as a Christian you'll end
> >up in heaven.
>
> But one hell of a lot better chance than an atheist.
Jason
Jul 18, 2012, 4:23:12 PM7/18/12
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In article
<cf903c5a-d26b-4e7f...@n5g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>, Devils
Advocaat <manky...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 18, 8:02=A0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article <g4rb08hg0s6akot1v0nlj9l9rbur2li...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> > > On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 13:41:35 -0700, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > > alt.talk.creationism:
> >
> > > >In article
> > > ><cc803909-0818-4413-a08a-8b96b4c6d...@q29g2000vby.googlegroups.com>,
> > > >Devils Advocaat <mankygo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > >> On Jul 17, 9:00=3DA0am, Father Haskell <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wro=
> te:
<cf903c5a-d26b-4e7f...@n5g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>, Devils
Advocaat <manky...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 18, 8:02=A0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article <g4rb08hg0s6akot1v0nlj9l9rbur2li...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> > > On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 13:41:35 -0700, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > > alt.talk.creationism:
> >
> > > >In article
> > > ><cc803909-0818-4413-a08a-8b96b4c6d...@q29g2000vby.googlegroups.com>,
> > > >Devils Advocaat <mankygo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> te:
> > > >> > On Jul 17, 2:09=3DA0am, Virgil <vir...@ligriv.com> wrote:
> >
> > > >> > > In article
> > > >> > > <Jason-1607122238090...@67-150-125-126.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> >
> > > >> > > =3DA0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > >> > > > > The Aztecs used to celebrate winning basketball games
> > > >> > > > > by ripping out the losers' still-beating hearts and offering
> > > >> > > > > them to the gods. =3DA0I guess that's perfectly compatible w=
> >
> > > >> > > In article
> > > >> > > <Jason-1607122238090...@67-150-125-126.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> >
> > > >> > > =3DA0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > >> > > > > The Aztecs used to celebrate winning basketball games
> > > >> > > > > by ripping out the losers' still-beating hearts and offering
> ith
> > > >> > > > > xianity, at least according to your args.
> >
> > > >> > > > I bet they did not have very many people that were willing to =
> > > >> > > > > xianity, at least according to your args.
> >
> play
> > > >> > > > basketball in those days.
> >
> > > >> > > Wrong! It was considered to be a great honor to be the one sacri=
> > > >> > > > basketball in those days.
> >
> ficed!
> >
> > > >> > > Which illustrated the stupidity of theist religions.
> >
> > > >> > It was the winners who were sacrificed?
> >
> > > >> It sure was!
> >
> > > >I would have made sure I missed every basket.
> >
> > > Win the game, go immediately to heaven. Jason, you don't believe.
> >
> > I am not afraid of dying but am not interested in taking the next train o=
> >
> > > >> > > Which illustrated the stupidity of theist religions.
> >
> > > >> > It was the winners who were sacrificed?
> >
> > > >> It sure was!
> >
> > > >I would have made sure I missed every basket.
> >
> > > Win the game, go immediately to heaven. Jason, you don't believe.
> >
> ut.
>
> Are you truly unafraid of death?
No--but am not looking forward to the pain that is usually connected with death.
>
> Are you truly unafraid of death?
Jason
Jul 18, 2012, 4:35:18 PM7/18/12
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In article <j25e08hadrqp0ha8m...@4ax.com>, duke
I agree with your last point. If there is a heaven--Christians and Jews
have a lot better chance of getting to heaven--than any atheists.
Which sons and daughters of God will go to heaven? The people on the earth
that already consider God to be their father.
have a lot better chance of getting to heaven--than any atheists.
Which sons and daughters of God will go to heaven? The people on the earth
that already consider God to be their father.
Caranx latus
Jul 18, 2012, 4:40:18 PM7/18/12
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On Jul 18, 3:55 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 21:40:24 -0700 (PDT), Devils Advocaat <mankygo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >> You are correct as far as the human physical body is concerned. However,
> >> when you die--your spirit body will end up in heaven or in hell.
> >You have no objective evidence for spirit bodies, heaven or hell.
>
> I most certainly have objective evidence. The only man to go there and come
> back to talk about it said so.
I see... your "objective" evidence is hearsay of someone else's
>
> >> You are correct as far as the human physical body is concerned. However,
> >> when you die--your spirit body will end up in heaven or in hell.
> >You have no objective evidence for spirit bodies, heaven or hell.
>
> I most certainly have objective evidence. The only man to go there and come
> back to talk about it said so.
subjective "evidence". You don't see a problem with that? Of course
you don't... that's what makes you you.
> >> Your best option is to become a Christian so that you will end up in
> >> heaven when you die.
> >Even if it existed, you've no guarantee that as a Christian you'll end
> >up in heaven.
>
> But one hell of a lot better chance than an atheist.
not whether you're a good person or not.
Jason
Jul 18, 2012, 5:15:51 PM7/18/12
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In article
<00b3a8f1-2891-4542...@j4g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>, Caranx
latus <aug....@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 18, 3:55=A0pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> > On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 21:40:24 -0700 (PDT), Devils Advocaat <mankygo...@gma=
> il.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >> You are correct as far as the human physical body is concerned. Howeve=
Of course, they can become children of God--see John 3:16.
<00b3a8f1-2891-4542...@j4g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>, Caranx
latus <aug....@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 18, 3:55=A0pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> > On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 21:40:24 -0700 (PDT), Devils Advocaat <mankygo...@gma=
> il.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >> You are correct as far as the human physical body is concerned. Howeve=
> r,
> > >> when you die--your spirit body will end up in heaven or in hell.
> > >You have no objective evidence for spirit bodies, heaven or hell.
> >
> > I most certainly have objective evidence. =A0The only man to go there and=
> > >> when you die--your spirit body will end up in heaven or in hell.
> > >You have no objective evidence for spirit bodies, heaven or hell.
> >
> come
> > back to talk about it said so.
>
> I see... your "objective" evidence is hearsay of someone else's
> subjective "evidence". You don't see a problem with that? Of course
> you don't... that's what makes you you.
>
> > >> Your best option is to become a Christian so that you will end up in
> > >> heaven when you die.
> > >Even if it existed, you've no guarantee that as a Christian you'll end
> > >up in heaven.
> >
> > But one hell of a lot better chance than an atheist.
>
> Riiiight. Because God only cares whether or not you believe in him,
> not whether you're a good person or not.
God's cares about his children--not the people that are not his children.
> > back to talk about it said so.
>
> I see... your "objective" evidence is hearsay of someone else's
> subjective "evidence". You don't see a problem with that? Of course
> you don't... that's what makes you you.
>
> > >> Your best option is to become a Christian so that you will end up in
> > >> heaven when you die.
> > >Even if it existed, you've no guarantee that as a Christian you'll end
> > >up in heaven.
> >
> > But one hell of a lot better chance than an atheist.
>
> Riiiight. Because God only cares whether or not you believe in him,
> not whether you're a good person or not.
Of course, they can become children of God--see John 3:16.
Free Lunch
Jul 18, 2012, 6:33:02 PM7/18/12
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On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 07:28:06 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in
alt.talk.creationism:
Your brain no longer functions. Everything associated with the brain
stops.
alt.talk.creationism:
stops.
Free Lunch
Jul 18, 2012, 6:34:01 PM7/18/12
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On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 14:55:18 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in
alt.talk.creationism:
>On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 21:40:24 -0700 (PDT), Devils Advocaat <manky...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>> You are correct as far as the human physical body is concerned. However,
>>> when you die--your spirit body will end up in heaven or in hell.
>
>>You have no objective evidence for spirit bodies, heaven or hell.
>
>I most certainly have objective evidence. The only man to go there and come
>back to talk about it said so.
>
>>> Your best option is to become a Christian so that you will end up in
>>> heaven when you die.
>
>>Even if it existed, you've no guarantee that as a Christian you'll end
>>up in heaven.
>
>But one hell of a lot better chance than an atheist.
Why? You preach a nasty, evil, sociopathic god. Why would a kind god
look upon you any better than on someone who cares about what is
actually happening, not delusions of a better life after death?
alt.talk.creationism:
>On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 21:40:24 -0700 (PDT), Devils Advocaat <manky...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>> You are correct as far as the human physical body is concerned. However,
>>> when you die--your spirit body will end up in heaven or in hell.
>
>>You have no objective evidence for spirit bodies, heaven or hell.
>
>I most certainly have objective evidence. The only man to go there and come
>back to talk about it said so.
>
>>> Your best option is to become a Christian so that you will end up in
>>> heaven when you die.
>
>>Even if it existed, you've no guarantee that as a Christian you'll end
>>up in heaven.
>
>But one hell of a lot better chance than an atheist.
look upon you any better than on someone who cares about what is
actually happening, not delusions of a better life after death?
Free Lunch
Jul 18, 2012, 6:34:55 PM7/18/12
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On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 13:35:18 -0700, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
alt.talk.creationism:
Not if the real god hates the religion you preach. Maybe Christians will
all be punished forever.
alt.talk.creationism:
all be punished forever.
Free Lunch
Jul 18, 2012, 6:35:47 PM7/18/12
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On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 14:15:51 -0700, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
alt.talk.creationism:
The Old Testament says that only Jews are God's people. The New
Testament says everyone is. Nowhere does the Bible support your
teaching.
alt.talk.creationism:
Testament says everyone is. Nowhere does the Bible support your
teaching.
Barry OGrady
Jul 18, 2012, 7:04:27 PM7/18/12
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=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=
God is a spirit. 0% proof!
Caranx latus
Jul 18, 2012, 9:21:41 PM7/18/12
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never strike you as odd that God has the exact same attitudes that you do?
Devils Advocaat
Jul 18, 2012, 11:57:37 PM7/18/12
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On Jul 18, 8:55 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 21:40:24 -0700 (PDT), Devils Advocaat <mankygo...@gmail.com>
That is one person's unsupported testimony.
> On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 21:40:24 -0700 (PDT), Devils Advocaat <mankygo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >> You are correct as far as the human physical body is concerned. However,
> >> when you die--your spirit body will end up in heaven or in hell.
> >You have no objective evidence for spirit bodies, heaven or hell.
>
> I most certainly have objective evidence. The only man to go there and come
> back to talk about it said so.
That is not objective evidence.
>
> >> You are correct as far as the human physical body is concerned. However,
> >> when you die--your spirit body will end up in heaven or in hell.
> >You have no objective evidence for spirit bodies, heaven or hell.
>
> I most certainly have objective evidence. The only man to go there and come
> back to talk about it said so.
That is one person's unsupported testimony.
>
> >> Your best option is to become a Christian so that you will end up in
> >> heaven when you die.
> >Even if it existed, you've no guarantee that as a Christian you'll end
> >up in heaven.
>
> But one hell of a lot better chance than an atheist.
Not necessarily.
> >> Your best option is to become a Christian so that you will end up in
> >> heaven when you die.
> >Even if it existed, you've no guarantee that as a Christian you'll end
> >up in heaven.
>
> But one hell of a lot better chance than an atheist.
Devils Advocaat
Jul 19, 2012, 12:02:04 AM7/19/12
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On Jul 18, 9:35 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <j25e08hadrqp0ha8mmc43iu2qlmvc4i...@4ax.com>, duke
> <mankygo...@gmail.com>
reasoning you'd have to include the Muslims as well.
> In article <j25e08hadrqp0ha8mmc43iu2qlmvc4i...@4ax.com>, duke
> <mankygo...@gmail.com>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > wrote:
>
> > >> You are correct as far as the human physical body is concerned. However,
> > >> when you die--your spirit body will end up in heaven or in hell.
>
> > >You have no objective evidence for spirit bodies, heaven or hell.
>
> > I most certainly have objective evidence. The only man to go there and come
> > back to talk about it said so.
>
> > >> Your best option is to become a Christian so that you will end up in
> > >> heaven when you die.
>
> > >Even if it existed, you've no guarantee that as a Christian you'll end
> > >up in heaven.
>
> > But one hell of a lot better chance than an atheist.
>
> > The dukester, American - American
> > ********************************************
> > A vote for obama is a vote for the end of
> > democracy in America as we know it. Let the
> > rolling thunder guide your decision at the
> > ballot box to put an end to Imperial Obama.
> > May God bless America.
> > ********************************************
>
> I agree with your last point. If there is a heaven--Christians and Jews
> have a lot better chance of getting to heaven--than any atheists.
You think the practising Jews have as much Christians? By that
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > wrote:
>
> > >> You are correct as far as the human physical body is concerned. However,
> > >> when you die--your spirit body will end up in heaven or in hell.
>
> > >You have no objective evidence for spirit bodies, heaven or hell.
>
> > I most certainly have objective evidence. The only man to go there and come
> > back to talk about it said so.
>
> > >> Your best option is to become a Christian so that you will end up in
> > >> heaven when you die.
>
> > >Even if it existed, you've no guarantee that as a Christian you'll end
> > >up in heaven.
>
> > But one hell of a lot better chance than an atheist.
>
> > The dukester, American - American
> > ********************************************
> > A vote for obama is a vote for the end of
> > democracy in America as we know it. Let the
> > rolling thunder guide your decision at the
> > ballot box to put an end to Imperial Obama.
> > May God bless America.
> > ********************************************
>
> I agree with your last point. If there is a heaven--Christians and Jews
> have a lot better chance of getting to heaven--than any atheists.
reasoning you'd have to include the Muslims as well.
Wombat
Jul 19, 2012, 12:44:58 AM7/19/12
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On Jul 19, 12:34 am, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 13:35:18 -0700, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> alt.talk.creationism:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >In article <j25e08hadrqp0ha8mmc43iu2qlmvc4i...@4ax.com>, duke
> On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 13:35:18 -0700, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> alt.talk.creationism:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ><mankygo...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >> You are correct as far as the human physical body is concerned. However,
> >> >> when you die--your spirit body will end up in heaven or in hell.
>
> >> >You have no objective evidence for spirit bodies, heaven or hell.
>
> >> I most certainly have objective evidence. The only man to go there and come
> >> back to talk about it said so.
>
> >> >> Your best option is to become a Christian so that you will end up in
> >> >> heaven when you die.
>
> >> >Even if it existed, you've no guarantee that as a Christian you'll end
> >> >up in heaven.
>
> >> But one hell of a lot better chance than an atheist.
>
> >> The dukester, American - American
> >> ********************************************
> >> A vote for obama is a vote for the end of
> >> democracy in America as we know it. Let the
> >> rolling thunder guide your decision at the
> >> ballot box to put an end to Imperial Obama.
> >> May God bless America.
> >> ********************************************
>
> >I agree with your last point. If there is a heaven--Christians and Jews
> >have a lot better chance of getting to heaven--than any atheists.
>
> Not if the real god hates the religion you preach. Maybe Christians will
> all be punished forever.
Shades of the Rowan Atkinson sketch where he plays the angel at the
>
> >> >> You are correct as far as the human physical body is concerned. However,
> >> >> when you die--your spirit body will end up in heaven or in hell.
>
> >> >You have no objective evidence for spirit bodies, heaven or hell.
>
> >> I most certainly have objective evidence. The only man to go there and come
> >> back to talk about it said so.
>
> >> >> Your best option is to become a Christian so that you will end up in
> >> >> heaven when you die.
>
> >> >Even if it existed, you've no guarantee that as a Christian you'll end
> >> >up in heaven.
>
> >> But one hell of a lot better chance than an atheist.
>
> >> The dukester, American - American
> >> ********************************************
> >> A vote for obama is a vote for the end of
> >> democracy in America as we know it. Let the
> >> rolling thunder guide your decision at the
> >> ballot box to put an end to Imperial Obama.
> >> May God bless America.
> >> ********************************************
>
> >I agree with your last point. If there is a heaven--Christians and Jews
> >have a lot better chance of getting to heaven--than any atheists.
>
> Not if the real god hates the religion you preach. Maybe Christians will
> all be punished forever.
gate to hell.
Devils Advocaat
Jul 19, 2012, 1:14:53 AM7/19/12
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> <cf903c5a-d26b-4e7f-aef3-2f98a1db9...@n5g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>, Devils
So you lied about not being afraid of dying.
But why do you presume death is painful?
But why do you presume death is painful?
Devils Advocaat
Jul 19, 2012, 1:13:28 AM7/19/12
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Zacharias Mulletstein
Jul 19, 2012, 1:34:56 AM7/19/12
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Real Christians go to heaven. Pop athiest and fox Christians get Hell.
It's their choice.
It's their choice.
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