Dorrigo Rolling Stock
Darren Yates
as each other - but this photo is probably unfair and certainly not one of a
kind.
You could easily point the finger at the RTM with its "death alley" up the
rear of the Thirlmere compound.
Or you could have a go at the ARHS ACT division - it has 3102 minus tender
shoved up the end of the compound rusting to bits...
Most groups now have so much rollingstock that they don't have the means or
possibly the inclination to look after it properly. Sure, part depends on
the condition it arrives in but to point the finger at DSR&M is cutting off
one's nose to spite one's face...
Darren.
rodjg wrote in message <01be3644$be727240$c40c3acb@rodgayford>...
>The attached photo may provide some evidence of the state of the rolling
>stock at Dorrigo.
>
>Cheers
>
>Rod Gayford
>
GOODWIN ALCO
the condition of some stock at Lowanna (not at
Dorrigo).
My last visit to Dorrigo itself showed a better
picture than this. Admitedly there was "some" very run
down rollingstock, but look at the size of the
collection. No museum can work miracles with member
help and money given.
I think many museums probably have their selection of
major tasks sitting around.
What is prefered, a huge awaiting restoration job or
no carrage kept for history at all.
Brad
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John Wayman
stock. The group at Seymour (Vic.) has everything under cover, and their
restorations are spectacular. There are sheds at Thirlmere, Port Dock and
Newport.
How many sheds have been built at Dorrigo?
Cheers
John Wayman
GOODWIN ALCO wrote in message ...
Gregory D. Young
At this point in time NONE, however we have our designs made for the
first of our sheds and they are being appraised by the Bellingen Shire
Council. We are unfortunately not like The majority of other museums in that
we are totally private and as far as I am aware have yet to get ANY money
from the public purse. If you are to consider the other major rail
preservation societies in NSW, they have either moved into established
facilities no longer required or have had land and or exhibits given to
them. Good luck to them. and if you would like to make a donation to the
construction of our sheds then I believe it would be most welcome. A roof
over our heads would be nice but when you consider what has been done
without one then I think you could agree that we haven't done too badly to
date.
Cheers
Greg Young
John Wayman wrote in message <368ff...@139.134.5.33>...
Peter Ruxton
Gregory D. Young wrote in message <36906...@job.acay.com.au>...
>G'day John,
>we are totally private and as far as I am aware have yet to get ANY money
>from the public purse.
What about Bi Centenary Money (Grant)
What about the Army Engineers and the time they did (Government Cost)
What about the last X years rent free
What about the time PTC (nsw), SRA, RAC then DOT and other Goverment
departments have invested in the the Dorrigo Line in what can only be
describeded as an on going saga of disputation
These are all I believe expenditures from the Public Purse
Trevor Edmonds
<<I have to agree with Darren. This shot is a photo of the condition of some
stock at Lowanna (not at Dorrigo). My last visit to Dorrigo itself showed a
better picture than this. Admittedly there was "some" very run down
rollingstock, but look at the size of the collection.>>
Thanks Brad. The photo did not get as far as me so I am fighting blind at
the moment. Of course we have some rolling stock in poor condition. If you
look back over this thread I never claimed otherwise (I merely challenged
one whinger to find some - he couldn't). Most of our stock is in reasonable
or better condition.
One of the hardest things to maintain is the masonite sided cars. The
railways started to use ordinary masonite during WW2. Once it starts to
deteriorate, the cars look ratty, but the interiors are surprisingly good.
We also have quite a number of cars that were used as workmen's vans and
were trashed before we got them. Not the ideal candidates for preservation,
but often the only examples in existence.
The rollingstock at Lowanna was marooned there when the SRA banned trains
running on the line. There is no point attempting to maintain passenger
rollingstock at such a remote location. There is no way to control vandalism
etc. We have concentrated on maintaining and weatherproofing the cars at
Dorrigo. Some of the cars at Lowanna will be scrapped on site.
<<No museum can work miracles with member help and money given. I think many
museums probably have their selection of major tasks sitting around.>>
Even the public museums have this problem. The Powerhouse Museum's 3265
looked absolutely derelict before work started on it.
<<What is prefered, a huge awaiting restoration job or no carrage kept for
history at all.>>
Well said. Many people knock us for the size of our collection, but are hard
pressed to nominate a significant portion of it that should have been let go
to scrap.
Trevor
Gregory D. Young
Peter Ruxton wrote in message <36907...@139.134.5.33>...
>
>Gregory D. Young wrote in message <36906...@job.acay.com.au>...
>>G'day John,
>
>>we are totally private and as far as I am aware have yet to get ANY money
>>from the public purse.
>
>
>What about Bi Centenary Money (Grant)
>What about the Army Engineers and the time they did (Government Cost)
then where else could the army be trained?
>What about the last X years rent free.
What about the government renigging on their lease?
>What about the time PTC (nsw), SRA, RAC then DOT and other Goverment
>departments have invested in the the Dorrigo Line in what can only be
>describeded as an on going saga of disputation
to get upset because they may have to bend further.
Trevor Edmonds
<<What about Bi Centenary Money (Grant)>>
As far as I know our share was exactly nil.
<<What about the Army Engineers and the time they did (Government Cost)>>
The Army exercise was going to happen anyway. Their original intention was
to do similar work on their own site and then demolish it. It was cheaper
(and more satisfying) for them to be able to leave their work standing.
>What about the last X years rent free
Prior to our lease of the line, it earned no income, and the PTC still had
to meet the costs such as maintaining the road overbridges. With our lease
they received a token rent, and the road overbridges became our problem.
When they cancelled the lease, they got responsibility for the expenses
back.
<<What about the time PTC (nsw), SRA, RAC then DOT and other Goverment
departments have invested in the the Dorrigo Line in what can only be
describeded as an on going saga of disputation>>
To say that their costs were "invested" in the Dorrigo line is stretching
it. Their costs of cancelling our lease, then having to enact legislation to
make the cancellation legal, and then spending years going through a
tendering process, which ultimately failed, was their choice. It was hardly
money spent for our benefit, and it has cost us an enormous amount of money
for legals not to mention time and deterioration of the line.
Trevor
Peter Ruxton
Trevor Edmonds wrote in message <76r60o$61$1...@news.tmx.com.au>...
>To say that their costs were "invested" in the Dorrigo line is stretching
>it. Their costs of cancelling our lease, then having to enact legislation
to
>make the cancellation legal, and then spending years going through a
>tendering process, which ultimately failed, was their choice. It was hardly
>money spent for our benefit, and it has cost us an enormous amount of money
>for legals not to mention time and deterioration of the line.
>
>Trevor
>
The circumstance of the lease or proposed lease is a subject I will stay out
of.
However I can assure you the Legal Profession is alive and Thriving
especially at the Public Teat
GOODWIN ALCO
Keep up the good work there in Dorrigo.
I joined just prior to my visit and have not been
dissappointed for doing so. It is terrible to think
what could have been lost had it not been for the
efforts so far made by the group, there are some very
important items amongst that collection.
Of course there is a lot of work and money needed but
when all is finished I believe the museum will have
something very special.
I for one look foward to the future of the museum.
