The extremely high level of interference experienced by radio amateur Ian Paul VK3FIOP at Mt Beauty in north-east Victoria is now the subject of a written complaint to the Australian Communications and Media Authority.
He has exercised his right as the holder of an apparatus licence to lodge a formal written complaint to ACMA about the interference.
Ian has a firm ground for doing so. The interference was confirmed as BPL, its source known and substantial and harmful impact to this licensed amateur service communications well documented.
The latest is that the BPL system operated by SP AusNet radiates 60dB over S9 signal emissions over the entire 3.5 MHz to 30 MHz spectrum.
Ian VK3FIOP appears to be the first VK radio amateur to actually lodge a formal complaint of interference to ACMA.
The amateur service, being a licensed radiocommunications service, is protected from substantial interference under sections of the Radiocommunications Act.
ACMA is the Authority responsible for administrating the provisions of the Act and is required to investigate cases of interference when they are reported.
Without complaints, BPL operators may be able to claim that the technology is not cited in any formal way to have caused interference to radiocommunications.
It is vitally important that any radio amateur affected by BPL interference first verify that the interference is in fact caused by a BPL system, and secondly lodge an effective interference complaint with ACMA.
Without a valid and effective interference complaint lodged with ACMA little can be done.
The WIA provides a BPL interference advisory service to all radio amateurs - whether they are WIA members and non-members.
The BPL issue is going to be difficult to resolve. Living in metropolitan Adelaide, you would be aware that there are many, many urban areas that do not have access to aDSL broadband because they are too far from an exchange or on a rim, or both. Various local governments effectively stopped the roll-out of cable threatening to charge ridiculous sums per pole for the privilege. This leaves these suburbs with a communication system that is no better now than it was 50 years ago. To amateur radio operators, the importance of the shortwave spectrum is very important, to those without a decent, useable internet connection, they can not understand why they don't have the same privileges as those in neighbouring suburbs. Telstra has made it quite clear that the cost of making available an aDSL or cable broadband connection to all suburbs is out of the question. BPL is seen as a way to make broadband freely avaiable to all, but at the cost of the shortwave spectrum. I haven't visited your web page but have come across similar. If BPL is stopped, and aDSL is too costly and the councils prevent cable rollout, how do they get a broadband internet connection? Do they have the same right to a broadband connection as those who do have it? Is this issue being addressed. Can there be a 'win-win' solution? Steve W (in Adelaide)
Steve/Aus wrote: > The BPL issue is going to be difficult to resolve. > Living in metropolitan Adelaide, you would be aware that there are many, > many urban areas that do not have access to aDSL broadband because they are > too far from an exchange or on a rim, or both. Various local governments > effectively stopped the roll-out of cable threatening to charge ridiculous > sums per pole for the privilege. > This leaves these suburbs with a communication system that is no better now > than it was 50 years ago. > To amateur radio operators, the importance of the shortwave spectrum is very > important, to those without a decent, useable internet connection, they can > not understand why they don't have the same privileges as those in > neighbouring suburbs. > Telstra has made it quite clear that the cost of making available an aDSL or > cable broadband connection to all suburbs is out of the question. > BPL is seen as a way to make broadband freely avaiable to all, but at the > cost of the shortwave spectrum. > I haven't visited your web page but have come across similar. > If BPL is stopped, and aDSL is too costly and the councils prevent cable > rollout, how do they get a broadband internet connection? Do they have the > same right to a broadband connection as those who do have it? > Is this issue being addressed. Can there be a 'win-win' solution? > Steve W (in Adelaide)
The only effective way for these people to get ADSL or cable is for them to band together and lobby the Government to force the issue.
To sit back and hope for an alternative that infringes on other's rights is a little bit much to expect. Remember BPL also affects Police and other Emergency Services HF communications as well.
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> To sit back and hope for an alternative that infringes on other's rights > is a little bit much to expect. Remember BPL also affects Police and > other Emergency Services HF communications as well.
Without saying this isn't an issue (which it is), there is no emeregncy service in NSW which makes use of HF anymore for regular communications.
Win Win is to use a system like Unwired at 3.7GHz. Wifi directly in your neighbourhood, antennas on the same power poles as the modem. The same poles that the elec company was going to mount the BPL modems on. You then have the ability to roam around the neighbourhood with your laptop.
BPL is designed for the electric companies so that you remain plugged in to them. Useless if you want to use a laptop to its full advantage.
>> To sit back and hope for an alternative that infringes on other's rights >> is a little bit much to expect. Remember BPL also affects Police and >> other Emergency Services HF communications as well.
>Without saying this isn't an issue (which it is), there is no emeregncy >service in NSW which makes use of HF anymore for regular communications.
The Australian Quarantine and Inspection Service (AQIS) uses HF.
Rob.
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>>> To sit back and hope for an alternative that infringes on other's rights >>> is a little bit much to expect. Remember BPL also affects Police and >>> other Emergency Services HF communications as well.
>>Without saying this isn't an issue (which it is), there is no emeregncy >>service in NSW which makes use of HF anymore for regular communications.
> The Australian Quarantine and Inspection Service (AQIS) uses HF.
So do the defence forces, but neither are emegrency services.
>>> "Simon Templar" <use...@vk3xem.net> wrote in message >>> news:454ed533$0$4669$61c65585@un-2park-reader-01.sydney.pipenetworks.com.au... >>>> To sit back and hope for an alternative that infringes on other's rights >>>> is a little bit much to expect. Remember BPL also affects Police and >>>> other Emergency Services HF communications as well. >>> Without saying this isn't an issue (which it is), there is no emeregncy >>> service in NSW which makes use of HF anymore for regular communications. >> The Australian Quarantine and Inspection Service (AQIS) uses HF.
> So do the defence forces, but neither are emegrency services.
You don't consider the Military an over riding imperative ?
>>>>> To sit back and hope for an alternative that infringes on other's >>>>> rights >>>>> is a little bit much to expect. Remember BPL also affects Police and >>>>> other Emergency Services HF communications as well.
>>>> Without saying this isn't an issue (which it is), there is no emeregncy >>>> service in NSW which makes use of HF anymore for regular >>>> communications.
>>> The Australian Quarantine and Inspection Service (AQIS) uses HF.
>> So do the defence forces, but neither are emegrency services.
> You don't consider the Military an over riding imperative ?
Is there no Air-sea Rescue service in Victoria? No Airservices traffic control? No Navy/Airforce/Army?
Imagine a situation like the Sydney-Hobart race(was it 2000?) where they all used HF for May Day calls etc, but if they couldn't be heard by a shore station?
oh but we can't have people missing out on cheap (and nasty) internet their lives depend upon fast porn downloads
>>>> "Simon Templar" <use...@vk3xem.net> wrote in message >>>> news:454ed533$0$4669$61c65585@un-2park-reader-01.sydney.pipenetworks.com.au... >>>>> To sit back and hope for an alternative that infringes on other's >>>>> rights >>>>> is a little bit much to expect. Remember BPL also affects Police and >>>>> other Emergency Services HF communications as well. >>>> Without saying this isn't an issue (which it is), there is no emeregncy >>>> service in NSW which makes use of HF anymore for regular >>>> communications. >>> The Australian Quarantine and Inspection Service (AQIS) uses HF.
>> So do the defence forces, but neither are emegrency services. > You don't consider the Military an over riding imperative ?
I would, and as I said above this is an issue which needs to be dealt with - however, people continue to bring irrelevent and incorrect information to the argument which smears all of us who are fighting this issue with incompetency.
BPL does not effect police and emergency services in NSW - so why do people continue to raise this issue. They should be concentrating on what effects are really being caused and deal with these, not use the old "emergency service" excuse.
>>>>> "Simon Templar" <use...@vk3xem.net> wrote in message >>>>> news:454ed533$0$4669$61c65585@un-2park-reader-01.sydney.pipenetworks.com.au... >>>>>> To sit back and hope for an alternative that infringes on other's >>>>>> rights >>>>>> is a little bit much to expect. Remember BPL also affects Police and >>>>>> other Emergency Services HF communications as well. >>>>> Without saying this isn't an issue (which it is), there is no emeregncy >>>>> service in NSW which makes use of HF anymore for regular >>>>> communications. >>>> The Australian Quarantine and Inspection Service (AQIS) uses HF. >>> So do the defence forces, but neither are emegrency services. >> You don't consider the Military an over riding imperative ?
> I would, and as I said above this is an issue which needs to be dealt with - > however, people continue to bring irrelevent and incorrect information to > the argument which smears all of us who are fighting this issue with > incompetency.
> BPL does not effect police and emergency services in NSW - so why do people > continue to raise this issue. They should be concentrating on what effects > are really being caused and deal with these, not use the old "emergency > service" excuse.
If there was a real emergency then hf would become most important , mind the bpl would probably fail anyway but the emissions spewing forth can and will have so many negative effects on services to this point undiscovered , realistically there are much better ways and notwithstanding the rejection by pretty much anywhere with a clue after trial is the final comment don't you agree.
>>>>> "Simon Templar" <use...@vk3xem.net> wrote in message >>>>> news:454ed533$0$4669$61c65585@un-2park-reader-01.sydney.pipenetworks.com.au... >>>>>> To sit back and hope for an alternative that infringes on other's >>>>>> rights >>>>>> is a little bit much to expect. Remember BPL also affects Police and >>>>>> other Emergency Services HF communications as well. >>>>> Without saying this isn't an issue (which it is), there is no emeregncy >>>>> service in NSW which makes use of HF anymore for regular >>>>> communications. >>>> The Australian Quarantine and Inspection Service (AQIS) uses HF.
>>> So do the defence forces, but neither are emegrency services. >> You don't consider the Military an over riding imperative ?
>I would, and as I said above this is an issue which needs to be dealt with - >however, people continue to bring irrelevent and incorrect information to >the argument which smears all of us who are fighting this issue with >incompetency.
>BPL does not effect police and emergency services in NSW - so why do people >continue to raise this issue. They should be concentrating on what effects >are really being caused and deal with these, not use the old "emergency >service" excuse.
Actually I'm aware of State Emergency Services units still using HF communications. Their only other solution was a satphone.
Also I would class VKS737 as an emergency service of sorts, technically it does provide a service in the case of an emergency. I won't use RFDS as I think they've changed most of their stuff.
>>>> To sit back and hope for an alternative that infringes on other's rights >>>> is a little bit much to expect. Remember BPL also affects Police and >>>> other Emergency Services HF communications as well.
>>>Without saying this isn't an issue (which it is), there is no emeregncy >>>service in NSW which makes use of HF anymore for regular communications.
>> The Australian Quarantine and Inspection Service (AQIS) uses HF.
>So do the defence forces, but neither are emegrency services.
The rural unof the NT Police certainly have HF radio whips fitted to their cars, I havent been close enough to one to confirm there is a radio 'in' the car to go with it.
Rob.
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>>>>> To sit back and hope for an alternative that infringes on other's >>>>> rights >>>>> is a little bit much to expect. Remember BPL also affects Police and >>>>> other Emergency Services HF communications as well.
>>>>Without saying this isn't an issue (which it is), there is no emeregncy >>>>service in NSW which makes use of HF anymore for regular communications.
>>> The Australian Quarantine and Inspection Service (AQIS) uses HF.
>>So do the defence forces, but neither are emegrency services.
> The rural unof the NT Police certainly have HF radio whips fitted to > their cars, I havent been close enough to one to confirm there is a > radio 'in' the car to go with it.
>>>>>> "Simon Templar" <use...@vk3xem.net> wrote in message >>>>>> news:454ed533$0$4669$61c65585@un-2park-reader-01.sydney.pipenetworks.com.au... >>>>>>> To sit back and hope for an alternative that infringes on other's >>>>>>> rights >>>>>>> is a little bit much to expect. Remember BPL also affects Police >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> other Emergency Services HF communications as well. >>>>>> Without saying this isn't an issue (which it is), there is no >>>>>> emeregncy >>>>>> service in NSW which makes use of HF anymore for regular >>>>>> communications. >>>>> The Australian Quarantine and Inspection Service (AQIS) uses HF. >>>> So do the defence forces, but neither are emegrency services. >>> You don't consider the Military an over riding imperative ?
>> I would, and as I said above this is an issue which needs to be dealt >> with - however, people continue to bring irrelevent and incorrect >> information to the argument which smears all of us who are fighting this >> issue with incompetency.
>> BPL does not effect police and emergency services in NSW - so why do >> people continue to raise this issue. They should be concentrating on what >> effects are really being caused and deal with these, not use the old >> "emergency service" excuse. > If there was a real emergency then hf would become most important , mind > the bpl would probably fail anyway but the emissions spewing forth can and > will have so many negative effects on services to this point undiscovered > , realistically there are much better ways and notwithstanding the > rejection by pretty much anywhere with a clue after trial is the final > comment don't you agree.
I doubt in a 'real' emergency HF would become most important, as none of the NSW emegrency services even have access to the equipment anymore - it's a bit difficult to use the band if you aren't able to access it.
>>>>>> "Simon Templar" <use...@vk3xem.net> wrote in message >>>>>> news:454ed533$0$4669$61c65585@un-2park-reader-01.sydney.pipenetworks.com.au... >>>>>>> To sit back and hope for an alternative that infringes on other's >>>>>>> rights >>>>>>> is a little bit much to expect. Remember BPL also affects Police >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> other Emergency Services HF communications as well. >>>>>> Without saying this isn't an issue (which it is), there is no >>>>>> emeregncy >>>>>> service in NSW which makes use of HF anymore for regular >>>>>> communications. >>>>> The Australian Quarantine and Inspection Service (AQIS) uses HF.
>>>> So do the defence forces, but neither are emegrency services. >>> You don't consider the Military an over riding imperative ?
>>I would, and as I said above this is an issue which needs to be dealt >>with - >>however, people continue to bring irrelevent and incorrect information to >>the argument which smears all of us who are fighting this issue with >>incompetency.
>>BPL does not effect police and emergency services in NSW - so why do >>people >>continue to raise this issue. They should be concentrating on what effects >>are really being caused and deal with these, not use the old "emergency >>service" excuse.
> Actually I'm aware of State Emergency Services units still using HF > communications. Their only other solution was a satphone.
Not in NSW. It is no longer recognised as an official form of communication for the Service.
>>>>>>> "Simon Templar" <use...@vk3xem.net> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:454ed533$0$4669$61c65585@un-2park-reader-01.sydney.pipenetworks.com.au... >>>>>>>> To sit back and hope for an alternative that infringes on other's >>>>>>>> rights >>>>>>>> is a little bit much to expect. Remember BPL also affects Police >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> other Emergency Services HF communications as well. >>>>>>> Without saying this isn't an issue (which it is), there is no >>>>>>> emeregncy >>>>>>> service in NSW which makes use of HF anymore for regular >>>>>>> communications. >>>>>> The Australian Quarantine and Inspection Service (AQIS) uses HF. >>>>> So do the defence forces, but neither are emegrency services. >>>> You don't consider the Military an over riding imperative ? >>> I would, and as I said above this is an issue which needs to be dealt >>> with - however, people continue to bring irrelevent and incorrect >>> information to the argument which smears all of us who are fighting this >>> issue with incompetency.
>>> BPL does not effect police and emergency services in NSW - so why do >>> people continue to raise this issue. They should be concentrating on what >>> effects are really being caused and deal with these, not use the old >>> "emergency service" excuse. >> If there was a real emergency then hf would become most important , mind >> the bpl would probably fail anyway but the emissions spewing forth can and >> will have so many negative effects on services to this point undiscovered >> , realistically there are much better ways and notwithstanding the >> rejection by pretty much anywhere with a clue after trial is the final >> comment don't you agree.
> I doubt in a 'real' emergency HF would become most important, as none of the > NSW emegrency services even have access to the equipment anymore - it's a > bit difficult to use the band if you aren't able to access it.
Your comments explicitly display a lack of consideration of information
what would you do if all commercial services are down ?
>>>>>>> "Simon Templar" <use...@vk3xem.net> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:454ed533$0$4669$61c65585@un-2park-reader-01.sydney.pipenetworks.com.au... >>>>>>>> To sit back and hope for an alternative that infringes on other's >>>>>>>> rights >>>>>>>> is a little bit much to expect. Remember BPL also affects Police >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> other Emergency Services HF communications as well. >>>>>>> Without saying this isn't an issue (which it is), there is no >>>>>>> emeregncy >>>>>>> service in NSW which makes use of HF anymore for regular >>>>>>> communications. >>>>>> The Australian Quarantine and Inspection Service (AQIS) uses HF. >>>>> So do the defence forces, but neither are emegrency services. >>>> You don't consider the Military an over riding imperative ? >>> I would, and as I said above this is an issue which needs to be dealt >>> with - >>> however, people continue to bring irrelevent and incorrect information to >>> the argument which smears all of us who are fighting this issue with >>> incompetency.
>>> BPL does not effect police and emergency services in NSW - so why do >>> people >>> continue to raise this issue. They should be concentrating on what effects >>> are really being caused and deal with these, not use the old "emergency >>> service" excuse.
>> Actually I'm aware of State Emergency Services units still using HF >> communications. Their only other solution was a satphone.
> Not in NSW. It is no longer recognised as an official form of communication > for the Service.
>>>>>> To sit back and hope for an alternative that infringes on other's >>>>>> rights >>>>>> is a little bit much to expect. Remember BPL also affects Police and >>>>>> other Emergency Services HF communications as well.
>>>>>Without saying this isn't an issue (which it is), there is no emeregncy >>>>>service in NSW which makes use of HF anymore for regular >>>>>communications.
>>>> The Australian Quarantine and Inspection Service (AQIS) uses HF.
>>>So do the defence forces, but neither are emegrency services.
>> The rural unof the NT Police certainly have HF radio whips fitted to >> their cars, I havent been close enough to one to confirm there is a >> radio 'in' the car to go with it.
> They may very well do, but they are not in NSW :)
The original post was from Adelaide about country Victoria and then continued about metroplolitan Adelaide. I don't how we drifted Easterly so quickly. SW
>>>>>>>> "Simon Templar" <use...@vk3xem.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:454ed533$0$4669$61c65585@un-2park-reader-01.sydney.pipenetworks.com.au... >>>>>>>>> To sit back and hope for an alternative that infringes on other's >>>>>>>>> rights >>>>>>>>> is a little bit much to expect. Remember BPL also affects Police >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> other Emergency Services HF communications as well. >>>>>>>> Without saying this isn't an issue (which it is), there is no >>>>>>>> emeregncy >>>>>>>> service in NSW which makes use of HF anymore for regular >>>>>>>> communications. >>>>>>> The Australian Quarantine and Inspection Service (AQIS) uses HF. >>>>>> So do the defence forces, but neither are emegrency services. >>>>> You don't consider the Military an over riding imperative ? >>>> I would, and as I said above this is an issue which needs to be dealt >>>> with - however, people continue to bring irrelevent and incorrect >>>> information to the argument which smears all of us who are fighting >>>> this issue with incompetency.
>>>> BPL does not effect police and emergency services in NSW - so why do >>>> people continue to raise this issue. They should be concentrating on >>>> what effects are really being caused and deal with these, not use the >>>> old "emergency service" excuse. >>> If there was a real emergency then hf would become most important , mind >>> the bpl would probably fail anyway but the emissions spewing forth can >>> and will have so many negative effects on services to this point >>> undiscovered , realistically there are much better ways and >>> notwithstanding the rejection by pretty much anywhere with a clue after >>> trial is the final comment don't you agree.
>> I doubt in a 'real' emergency HF would become most important, as none of >> the NSW emegrency services even have access to the equipment anymore - >> it's a bit difficult to use the band if you aren't able to access it. > Your comments explicitly display a lack of consideration of information
> what would you do if all commercial services are down ?
Use simplex, and operate locally - there would be no ability to just 'pop down to the shops' and buy a couple of hundred HF sets and install them. Where would they be purchased from? Who would install them? Who would pay for them? Who would show people how to use them? Where talking about a major emergency here - who is going to be able to do all that?
I'm not the one display a lack of consideration. Satellite comms would be far more cost effective, use friendly and likely to be used.
> think 1974
Completely irrelevent to modern radio/satellite technology.
>>>>>>>> "Simon Templar" <use...@vk3xem.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:454ed533$0$4669$61c65585@un-2park-reader-01.sydney.pipenetworks.com.au... >>>>>>>>> To sit back and hope for an alternative that infringes on other's >>>>>>>>> rights >>>>>>>>> is a little bit much to expect. Remember BPL also affects Police >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> other Emergency Services HF communications as well. >>>>>>>> Without saying this isn't an issue (which it is), there is no >>>>>>>> emeregncy >>>>>>>> service in NSW which makes use of HF anymore for regular >>>>>>>> communications. >>>>>>> The Australian Quarantine and Inspection Service (AQIS) uses HF. >>>>>> So do the defence forces, but neither are emegrency services. >>>>> You don't consider the Military an over riding imperative ? >>>> I would, and as I said above this is an issue which needs to be dealt >>>> with - >>>> however, people continue to bring irrelevent and incorrect information >>>> to >>>> the argument which smears all of us who are fighting this issue with >>>> incompetency.
>>>> BPL does not effect police and emergency services in NSW - so why do >>>> people >>>> continue to raise this issue. They should be concentrating on what >>>> effects >>>> are really being caused and deal with these, not use the old "emergency >>>> service" excuse.
>>> Actually I'm aware of State Emergency Services units still using HF >>> communications. Their only other solution was a satphone.
>> Not in NSW. It is no longer recognised as an official form of >> communication for the Service. > Cite ?
Cite what? I said they didn't use this form of communication.
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