Guantanamo torture admission implicates Australia
bringyagrogalong
Presidential Medal of Freedom joke.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/01/15/2466804.htm
Guantanamo torture admission implicates Australia: Greens
Greens leader Bob Brown says Australia is implicated in torture
carried out at the US military's Guantanamo Bay detention centre.
The woman in charge of the Guantanamo Bay military commissions,
retired military judge Susan Crawford, has acknowledged that the
treatment of Saudi inmate Muhammed al-Qahtani constituted torture.
Senator Brown says the previous government gave official recognition
to the system that lead to torture.
"Unfortunately, we're implicated, because the Howard government backed
this torture camp from the first day," he said.
"And we're the only country in the world that recognises the military
commissions, which were outside American law, on our own statutes."
Mr al-Qahtani, who was accused of planning to take part in the
September 11 terrorist attacks, was subjected to sleep deprivation,
sustained isolation and being led into a room on a dog's leash.
Ms Crawford says she dropped any possible charges against Mr al-
Qahtani because the way he had been treated met the legal definition
of torture.
His lawyer Gitanjali Gutierrez says Mr al-Qahtani suffered physical
and mental trauma.
"It left him a broken man," he said.
"When I first met him, he had incredible difficulty having a rational
conversation.
"He cannot concentrate, he has entire periods of time where he's lost
his memory, and he still to this day suffers from the effects of
that."
Incoming president Barack Obama is expected to issue an order for the
Guantanamo facility to be closed soon after he takes office next week.
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bringyagrogalong wrote:
> His lawyer Gitanjali Gutierrez says Mr al-Qahtani suffered physical
> and mental trauma.
> "It left him a broken man," he said.
Good. We need laws making this compulsory treatment for all islamists.
The Bali bombers should have received the same treatment instead of
being given the easy way out via a firing squad.
Krudd the Dud
<sof...@aapt.net.au> wrote:
>Something for John Howard to think about while masturbating over his
>Presidential Medal of Freedom joke.
On his behalf, I just thought about it, and fully agree with any method
that has to be used to protect one's citizens.
Any problem with that?
bringyagrogalong
> bringyagrogalong <sof...@aapt.net.au> wrote:
> >
> > Something for John Howard to think about while masturbating over his
> > Presidential Medal of Freedom joke.
>
> On his behalf, I just thought about it, and fully agree with any method
> that has to be used to protect one's citizens.
How does John Howard masturbating over his embarrassing Presidential
Medal of Freedom, "protect ones citizens" ?
> Any problem with that?
Haven't had a problem ever since the Australian people flushed him
down the shitter like a used tampon. :-}
Krudd the Dud
<sof...@aapt.net.au> wrote:
>Haven't had a problem ever since the Australian people flushed him
>down the shitter like a used tampon. :-}
Shouldn't used tampons go into recycling?
bringyagrogalong
> >
> > Haven't had a problem ever since the Australian people flushed him
> > down the shitter like a used tampon. :-}
>
> Shouldn't used tampons go into recycling?
You just want to smell the seat.
Rifty
Sure do. Give carte blanche to any Government to do anything and you'll
get a Government far worse than anything you are trying to protect the
citizens of your country from.
Any problem with that?
Rifty
--
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Krudd the Dud
>> On his behalf, I just thought about it, and fully agree with any method
>> that has to be used to protect one's citizens.
>>
>> Any problem with that?
>
>Sure do. Give carte blanche to any Government to do anything and you'll
>get a Government far worse than anything you are trying to protect the
>citizens of your country from.
>
>Any problem with that?
Now we have Labor, no problem at all.
No government could be worse.
Any problem with that?
Rifty
No problem with your expressing an opinion on it, and I am not excited
about Labor's performance so far (nor did I expect to be) but it seems
that the overwhelming majority of the population, judging by the opinion
polls, would suggest they think the preceding one was worse. That does't
mean the majority is always right, but I trust their judgment in this
case.
Krudd the Dud
>No problem with your expressing an opinion on it, and I am not excited
>about Labor's performance so far (nor did I expect to be) but it seems
>that the overwhelming majority of the population, judging by the opinion
>polls, would suggest they think the preceding one was worse. That does't
>mean the majority is always right, but I trust their judgment in this
>case.
Their judgment, and yours, may soon change when the recession hits?
Rifty
It may, but that will depend entirely on
(a) what degree of responsibility they have for the recession if it
hits, and
(b) what steps they take to counter it.
If you are so stupid as to suggest that their policies have actually
*caused* the current downturn in the world economy (and thus the Oz
economy), then you've got rocks in your head.
Krudd the Dud
>If you are so stupid as to suggest that their policies have actually
>*caused* the current downturn in the world economy (and thus the Oz
>economy), then you've got rocks in your head.
I didn't suggest that, but Flanges Bum gives credit to the Krudd for
falling petrol prices, interest rates, the sun coming up each morning,
so one would expect him to give "credit" to Krudd when things go bad as
well?
Rifty
In the end any Australian Government is pretty much a billiard ball on
the global pool table. But if any of them want to take the credit for
things they have little control over, then indeed they have to take the
blame when whatever they've taken the credit for goes pear-shaped.
None of 'em fool me, on any side of politics. I've seen them come and
go, from Menzies to little Johnny, and in reality none of them made more
than a little blip on the screen of Australian politics, however much
they imagined otherwise (and there's at least two metaphors too many in
those two paragraphs, but what the hell, it IS Inauguration Day!)
Now *there's* a man destined to make a real mark on politics - the
greatest potential to do so since FDR.