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B J Foster
Nov 14, 2012, 1:28:21 PM11/14/12
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"FORMER prime minister Paul Keating has accused the federal government
of eroding Australia's foreign policy influence by clinging to the
United States alliance at the expense of relations with key Asian
neighbours.
...
'More latterly, our respect for the foreign policy objectives of the US
has superimposed itself on what should otherwise be the foreign policy
objectives of Australia'"
http://www.theage.com.au/national/keating-blasts-cosy-ties-with-us-20121114-29cqk.html
If the ALP were not so dysfunctional it's current leader would consult
the former PM and he would not feel like he has to broadcast his criticism.
Clearly Gillard doesn't see any need to consult a former PM on foreign
policy matters as she feels confident that she can totally stuff it up
herself.
I mean, why not consider selling live pigs to Indonesia (rotfl), to
replace the cattle trade which she destroyed without consultation?
--
Paul Howes...
"Labor has an obligation to stop extremists who threaten our democracy"
Tanner...
"When I joined the Labor Party people joined Labor to change the world.
Now they join Labor to run the world".
How much new law is there every year?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lePrBUHihKI
Barnaby Joyce...
"IF YOU DO NOT MANAGE DEBT, DEBT MANAGES YOU"
of eroding Australia's foreign policy influence by clinging to the
United States alliance at the expense of relations with key Asian
neighbours.
...
'More latterly, our respect for the foreign policy objectives of the US
has superimposed itself on what should otherwise be the foreign policy
objectives of Australia'"
http://www.theage.com.au/national/keating-blasts-cosy-ties-with-us-20121114-29cqk.html
If the ALP were not so dysfunctional it's current leader would consult
the former PM and he would not feel like he has to broadcast his criticism.
Clearly Gillard doesn't see any need to consult a former PM on foreign
policy matters as she feels confident that she can totally stuff it up
herself.
I mean, why not consider selling live pigs to Indonesia (rotfl), to
replace the cattle trade which she destroyed without consultation?
--
Paul Howes...
"Labor has an obligation to stop extremists who threaten our democracy"
Tanner...
"When I joined the Labor Party people joined Labor to change the world.
Now they join Labor to run the world".
How much new law is there every year?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lePrBUHihKI
Barnaby Joyce...
"IF YOU DO NOT MANAGE DEBT, DEBT MANAGES YOU"
dechucka
Nov 14, 2012, 1:56:26 PM11/14/12
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"B J Foster" <bjfo...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote in message
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> "FORMER prime minister Paul Keating has accused the federal government of
> eroding Australia's foreign policy influence by clinging to the United
> States alliance at the expense of relations with key Asian neighbours.
> ...
> 'More latterly, our respect for the foreign policy objectives of the US
> has superimposed itself on what should otherwise be the foreign policy
> objectives of Australia'"
>
> http://www.theage.com.au/national/keating-blasts-cosy-ties-with-us-20121114-29cqk.html
>
> If the ALP were not so dysfunctional it's current leader would consult the
> former PM and he would not feel like he has to broadcast his criticism.
Why would she want to?
> eroding Australia's foreign policy influence by clinging to the United
> States alliance at the expense of relations with key Asian neighbours.
> ...
> 'More latterly, our respect for the foreign policy objectives of the US
> has superimposed itself on what should otherwise be the foreign policy
> objectives of Australia'"
>
> http://www.theage.com.au/national/keating-blasts-cosy-ties-with-us-20121114-29cqk.html
>
> If the ALP were not so dysfunctional it's current leader would consult the
> former PM and he would not feel like he has to broadcast his criticism.
>
> Clearly Gillard doesn't see any need to consult a former PM on foreign
> policy matters as she feels confident that she can totally stuff it up
> herself.
Why would she want to consult with Keating or Hawke or Howard et al?
> Clearly Gillard doesn't see any need to consult a former PM on foreign
> policy matters as she feels confident that she can totally stuff it up
> herself.
>
> I mean, why not consider selling live pigs to Indonesia (rotfl), to
> replace the cattle trade which she destroyed without consultation?
>
The live cattle trade to Indonesia is going well
> I mean, why not consider selling live pigs to Indonesia (rotfl), to
> replace the cattle trade which she destroyed without consultation?
>
DonH
Nov 14, 2012, 2:21:26 PM11/14/12
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"B J Foster" <bjfo...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote in message
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news:k80ns4$7p2$1...@dont-email.me...
> "FORMER prime minister Paul Keating has accused the federal government of
> eroding Australia's foreign policy influence by clinging to the United
> States alliance at the expense of relations with key Asian neighbours.
> ...
> 'More latterly, our respect for the foreign policy objectives of the US
> has superimposed itself on what should otherwise be the foreign policy
> objectives of Australia'"
>
> http://www.theage.com.au/national/keating-blasts-cosy-ties-with-us-20121114-29cqk.html
>
> If the ALP were not so dysfunctional it's current leader would consult the
> former PM and he would not feel like he has to broadcast his criticism.
>
> Clearly Gillard doesn't see any need to consult a former PM on foreign
> policy matters as she feels confident that she can totally stuff it up
> herself.
>
> I mean, why not consider selling live pigs to Indonesia (rotfl), to
> replace the cattle trade which she destroyed without consultation?
>
>
# Interesting to see Hillary on TV taking Oz UN support, on Syria and Iran,
> eroding Australia's foreign policy influence by clinging to the United
> States alliance at the expense of relations with key Asian neighbours.
> ...
> 'More latterly, our respect for the foreign policy objectives of the US
> has superimposed itself on what should otherwise be the foreign policy
> objectives of Australia'"
>
> http://www.theage.com.au/national/keating-blasts-cosy-ties-with-us-20121114-29cqk.html
>
> If the ALP were not so dysfunctional it's current leader would consult the
> former PM and he would not feel like he has to broadcast his criticism.
>
> Clearly Gillard doesn't see any need to consult a former PM on foreign
> policy matters as she feels confident that she can totally stuff it up
> herself.
>
> I mean, why not consider selling live pigs to Indonesia (rotfl), to
> replace the cattle trade which she destroyed without consultation?
>
>
for granted.
Why not just make Australia the 51st State, and be done with it?
DonH
Nov 14, 2012, 2:26:13 PM11/14/12
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"B J Foster" <bjfo...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote in message
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> "FORMER prime minister Paul Keating has accused the federal government of
> eroding Australia's foreign policy influence by clinging to the United
> States alliance at the expense of relations with key Asian neighbours.
> ...
> 'More latterly, our respect for the foreign policy objectives of the US
> has superimposed itself on what should otherwise be the foreign policy
> objectives of Australia'"
>
> http://www.theage.com.au/national/keating-blasts-cosy-ties-with-us-20121114-29cqk.html
>
> If the ALP were not so dysfunctional it's current leader would consult the
> former PM and he would not feel like he has to broadcast his criticism.
>
> Clearly Gillard doesn't see any need to consult a former PM on foreign
> policy matters as she feels confident that she can totally stuff it up
> herself.
>
> I mean, why not consider selling live pigs to Indonesia (rotfl), to
> replace the cattle trade which she destroyed without consultation?
>
>
>
# Welcome back, BJF. Where ya been?
> eroding Australia's foreign policy influence by clinging to the United
> States alliance at the expense of relations with key Asian neighbours.
> ...
> 'More latterly, our respect for the foreign policy objectives of the US
> has superimposed itself on what should otherwise be the foreign policy
> objectives of Australia'"
>
> http://www.theage.com.au/national/keating-blasts-cosy-ties-with-us-20121114-29cqk.html
>
> If the ALP were not so dysfunctional it's current leader would consult the
> former PM and he would not feel like he has to broadcast his criticism.
>
> Clearly Gillard doesn't see any need to consult a former PM on foreign
> policy matters as she feels confident that she can totally stuff it up
> herself.
>
> I mean, why not consider selling live pigs to Indonesia (rotfl), to
> replace the cattle trade which she destroyed without consultation?
>
>
>
dechucka
Nov 14, 2012, 3:26:55 PM11/14/12
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so hopefully the Yanks will help us, what do you think? Cheaper than having
our own full defense.
Petzl
Nov 14, 2012, 3:42:05 PM11/14/12
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On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 06:26:13 +1100, "DonH" <donlhu...@bigpond.com>
wrote:
Recovering from OD'ing on Abbott turd.
ThingsMorePopularThanAbbott
The carbon tax
Hitchhiking with Ivan Milat
scrotum piercing with a raging infection
Malcolm Turnbull
https://twitter.com/search?q=%23ThingsMorePopularThanAbbott&src=hash
--
Petzl
God was creating man. And his little assistant came up to him and he said: "Hey, we've got all these bodies left, but we're right out of brains, we're right out of hearts and we're right out of vocal chords." And God said: "Fuck it! Sew 'em up anyway. Smack smiles on the faces and make them talk out of their arses." And lo, God created the Abbott Liberal Party.
wrote:
ThingsMorePopularThanAbbott
The carbon tax
Hitchhiking with Ivan Milat
scrotum piercing with a raging infection
Malcolm Turnbull
https://twitter.com/search?q=%23ThingsMorePopularThanAbbott&src=hash
--
Petzl
God was creating man. And his little assistant came up to him and he said: "Hey, we've got all these bodies left, but we're right out of brains, we're right out of hearts and we're right out of vocal chords." And God said: "Fuck it! Sew 'em up anyway. Smack smiles on the faces and make them talk out of their arses." And lo, God created the Abbott Liberal Party.
DonH
Nov 14, 2012, 4:15:48 PM11/14/12
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"dechucka" <dech...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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# Yes, something in that. But has the "invasion" of Iraq and Afghanistan
achieved all that much - in neither case did the locals invite in Western
forces.
Trouble is, the Yanks have never conceded they were actually defeated in
Vietnam.
If only they had stayed longer, they would have won...etc. Maybe.
But no nation likes foreigners on its territory, which partly explains
sudden outbursts of Green-on-Blue attacks.
Even now, the imminent withdrawal of NATO from Afghanistan is not on the
basis of claiming full victory, but only that the country is sufficiently
Westernised to survive a resurgent Taliban. Time will tell.
As for Australia, the Yanks found our continent a convenient base for
the push north against the Japs. Now we are possibly an expendable forward
outpost, for containment of China. If war comes to our region, the USA
mainland is a long way away, but we will be right in the centre of things.
So, good luck!
news:44mdnc5AFdc_Yz7N...@westnet.com.au...
achieved all that much - in neither case did the locals invite in Western
forces.
Trouble is, the Yanks have never conceded they were actually defeated in
Vietnam.
If only they had stayed longer, they would have won...etc. Maybe.
But no nation likes foreigners on its territory, which partly explains
sudden outbursts of Green-on-Blue attacks.
Even now, the imminent withdrawal of NATO from Afghanistan is not on the
basis of claiming full victory, but only that the country is sufficiently
Westernised to survive a resurgent Taliban. Time will tell.
As for Australia, the Yanks found our continent a convenient base for
the push north against the Japs. Now we are possibly an expendable forward
outpost, for containment of China. If war comes to our region, the USA
mainland is a long way away, but we will be right in the centre of things.
So, good luck!
dechucka
Nov 14, 2012, 5:18:02 PM11/14/12
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Iraq was a complete and utter joke. Afghanistan was imo justifiable but was
never going to succeed
> Trouble is, the Yanks have never conceded they were actually defeated in
> Vietnam.
> If only they had stayed longer, they would have won...etc. Maybe.
> But no nation likes foreigners on its territory, which partly explains
> sudden outbursts of Green-on-Blue attacks.
> Even now, the imminent withdrawal of NATO from Afghanistan is not on
> the basis of claiming full victory, but only that the country is
> sufficiently Westernised to survive a resurgent Taliban. Time will tell.
Once we/nato go the Taliban will move back into power except maybe for the
major cities :-(
> As for Australia, the Yanks found our continent a convenient base for
> the push north against the Japs. Now we are possibly an expendable
> forward outpost, for containment of China. If war comes to our region,
> the USA mainland is a long way away, but we will be right in the centre of
> things. So, good luck!
Agree we are expendable to the Yanks if the shit hits the fan. Maybe we need
a nuclear deterrent
never going to succeed
> Trouble is, the Yanks have never conceded they were actually defeated in
> Vietnam.
> If only they had stayed longer, they would have won...etc. Maybe.
> But no nation likes foreigners on its territory, which partly explains
> sudden outbursts of Green-on-Blue attacks.
> Even now, the imminent withdrawal of NATO from Afghanistan is not on
> the basis of claiming full victory, but only that the country is
> sufficiently Westernised to survive a resurgent Taliban. Time will tell.
major cities :-(
> As for Australia, the Yanks found our continent a convenient base for
> the push north against the Japs. Now we are possibly an expendable
> forward outpost, for containment of China. If war comes to our region,
> the USA mainland is a long way away, but we will be right in the centre of
> things. So, good luck!
a nuclear deterrent
dechucka
Nov 14, 2012, 5:27:35 PM11/14/12
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willing to do that to become PM
B J Foster
Nov 14, 2012, 5:38:00 PM11/14/12
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It just shows how thin her veneer is.
B J Foster
Nov 14, 2012, 8:34:45 PM11/14/12
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B J Foster
Nov 14, 2012, 10:20:27 PM11/14/12
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my arse".
Clearly that part of your brain responsible for processing half of the
English language is missing.
No-one is able to corroborate Windsor's claim and Tony Abbott of course
denies it. Moreover there are no instances of any similar claims from
anyone with integrity.
Moreover, Windsor's credibility is in question - but in his case there
are grounds for suspicion. Whilst opposing CSG, Windsor sold his family
farm to Werris Creek Coal for three ties the going price in the area:
"Mr Windsor, who has long been critical of mining in the nearby fertile
Liverpool Plains because of its impact on underlying ground water,
yesterday repeated his claim that the mining of that property was
legitimate because it was 'completely different country'.
...
When asked about the differences in the sale prices between his property
and those of his neighbours, he said, 'I think we should terminate this
conversation'.
'You listen to me pal, you mind your own business, it's my family's
business. If you want to make up some bullshit story, go for your life,
I don't care', he said before hanging up.
Mr Windsor has accused the Nationals of running a smear campaign against
him after the sale of his farm to Werris Creek became public in February".
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/independent-mp-tony-windsor-in-league-of-his-own-on-farm-sale/story-fn59niix-1225911091227
Sounds remarkably like Julia Gillard with her 'smear campaign' defence
and mock apoplexy.
dechucka
Nov 14, 2012, 11:28:35 PM11/14/12
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"B J Foster" <bjfo...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote in message
serious thought to it''
http://www.theage.com.au/national/abbott-failed-to-sway-with-a-bum-rap-20110827-1jfs5.html#ixzz2CGJpnAs0>> Clearly that part of your brain responsible for processing half of theEnglish language is missing.>> No-one is able to corroborate Windsor's claim and Tony Abbott of coursedenies it. Moreover there are no instances of any similar claims from anyonewith integrity.Come on Abbott was not reading from a script so by his own admission he wasprobably lyingTalking about integrity/sense how about fronting up for a radio interviewwith his daughters with an interviewer infamous for his gangbanging of a 19year old
B J Foster
Nov 15, 2012, 8:04:23 AM11/15/12
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And on another occasion, Windsor was quoted as saying 'I would do
anything *except* sell my arse'.
Which suggests that Mr Windsor's memory is playing up - or his
imagination is working overtime.
>
> http://www.theage.com.au/national/abbott-failed-to-sway-with-a-bum-rap-20110827-1jfs5.html#ixzz2CGJpnAs0>>
> Clearly that part of your brain responsible for processing half of
> theEnglish language is missing.>> No-one is able to corroborate
> Windsor's claim and Tony Abbott of coursedenies it. Moreover there are
> no instances of any similar claims from anyonewith integrity.
which suggests that Mr Windsor is verbalising *his* thoughts differently
on each occasion.
> Come on
> Abbott was not reading from a script so by his own admission he
> wasprobably lyingTalking about integrity/sense how about fronting up for
> a radio interviewwith his daughters with an interviewer infamous for his
> gangbanging of a 19year old
dechucka
Nov 15, 2012, 1:56:56 PM11/15/12
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"B J Foster" <bjfo...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote in message
>
>
>>
>> http://www.theage.com.au/national/abbott-failed-to-sway-with-a-bum-rap-20110827-1jfs5.html#ixzz2CGJpnAs0>>
>> Clearly that part of your brain responsible for processing half of
>> theEnglish language is missing.>> No-one is able to corroborate
>> Windsor's claim and Tony Abbott of coursedenies it. Moreover there are
>> no instances of any similar claims from anyonewith integrity.
>
> Still uncorroborated - in fact, *your* version is literally different
> which suggests that Mr Windsor is verbalising *his* thoughts differently
> on each occasion.
really
>
>>
>> http://www.theage.com.au/national/abbott-failed-to-sway-with-a-bum-rap-20110827-1jfs5.html#ixzz2CGJpnAs0>>
>> Clearly that part of your brain responsible for processing half of
>> theEnglish language is missing.>> No-one is able to corroborate
>> Windsor's claim and Tony Abbott of coursedenies it. Moreover there are
>> no instances of any similar claims from anyonewith integrity.
>
> Still uncorroborated - in fact, *your* version is literally different
> which suggests that Mr Windsor is verbalising *his* thoughts differently
> on each occasion.
>
>
>> Come on
>> Abbott was not reading from a script so by his own admission he
>> wasprobably lyingTalking about integrity/sense how about fronting up for
>> a radio interviewwith his daughters with an interviewer infamous for his
>> gangbanging of a 19year old
>
> More garbage from the ALP dirt unit.
B J Foster
Nov 15, 2012, 3:42:49 PM11/15/12
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UNCORROBORATED.
INCONSISTENT.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> http://www.theage.com.au/national/abbott-failed-to-sway-with-a-bum-rap-20110827-1jfs5.html#ixzz2CGJpnAs0>>
>>>
>>> Clearly that part of your brain responsible for processing half of
>>> theEnglish language is missing.>> No-one is able to corroborate
>>> Windsor's claim and Tony Abbott of coursedenies it. Moreover there are
>>> no instances of any similar claims from anyonewith integrity.
>>
>> Still uncorroborated - in fact, *your* version is literally different
>> which suggests that Mr Windsor is verbalising *his* thoughts
>> differently on each occasion.
>
> really
In parliament, he used the word 'except sell'. Earlier he quoted Abbott
as saying 'won't sell'. If you were quoting someone literally you would
use the exact words, from memory.
>
>>
>>
>>> Come on
>>> Abbott was not reading from a script so by his own admission he
>>> wasprobably lyingTalking about integrity/sense how about fronting up for
>>> a radio interviewwith his daughters with an interviewer infamous for his
>>> gangbanging of a 19year old
>>
>> More garbage from the ALP dirt unit.
>
> It was a fact
You started this part of the thread saying that Abbott said he *would*
sell his arse - you cannot even get that right.
dechucka
Nov 15, 2012, 5:01:39 PM11/15/12
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"B J Foster" <bjfo...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote in message
>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Come on
>>>> Abbott was not reading from a script so by his own admission he
>>>> wasprobably lyingTalking about integrity/sense how about fronting up
>>>> for
>>>> a radio interviewwith his daughters with an interviewer infamous for
>>>> his
>>>> gangbanging of a 19year old
>>>
>>> More garbage from the ALP dirt unit.
>>
>> It was a fact
>
> That you're an idiot?
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