Appointment of Chief Scientist
olde.sault
Ju-Liar lifts another grub
onto the wagon that's crammed,
with professors of something else -
Please welcome Ian Chubb--
OS
jg
Did you have someone better in mind for the job?
Petzl
Why is a job needed at all?
Climate has been changing since the world began. What is Australia
capable of doing to the climate? Assuming they or anyone can, would it
be safe if they did,is there anyone in this "job" that has climate
qualifications ? The whala leading it, "Professor Chubb", climate
science is not his specialty?
--
Petzl
What perfect set of circumstances placed our Sun a Celestial ball of fire at just the correct distance from our little blue planet for life to evolve?
All simply conicidence? The very fact we exist is nothing but the result of a complex yet inevitable string of chemical accidents and biological mutations?
There is no Grand meaning; There is no purpose
olde.sault
Yes, a true climatologist or Julia should forget about appointing
anybody to change the climate,
concentrate on real issues, how to stop bankrupting the country.
Are you a patriot or a lunatic Green, jg?
OS
Addinall
"honorary doctor of science from Flinders University"
Yeah. Tomato.
Mark Addinall.
jg
How well equipped would this "true climatologist" be, to advise on all
other aspects of science? Without someone in the office we would be
completely at he mercy of what Gillard or Abbott read in 'Popular
Science'. Not just for climate change.
jg
> On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 06:52:26 +0800, jg <j...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>> olde.sault wrote:
>>> Ju-Liar lifts another grub
>>> onto the wagon that's crammed,
>>> with professors of something else -
>>> Please welcome Ian Chubb--
>>>
>>> OS
>> Did you have someone better in mind for the job?
>>
> Why is a job needed at all?
> Climate has been changing since the world began. What is Australia
> capable of doing to the climate? Assuming they or anyone can, would it
> be safe if they did,is there anyone in this "job" that has climate
> qualifications ? The whala leading it, "Professor Chubb", climate
> science is not his specialty?
It's not the office of climate change, it's for all of science and has
been officially established and supported by every govt since 1989. It's
there so we are not completely at the mercy of people who can't even see
why it is needed.
jg
Ian William Chubb, AC (born 17 October 1943) is the Vice Chancellor and
President of the Australian National University. He has held this post
since 2001. He was also the president of the International Alliance of
Research Universities from 2006 to 2009. Professor Chubb has a Masters
in Science, a DPhil from the University of Oxford and is an honorary
doctor of science from Flinders University. He was made an Officer in
the general division of the Order of Australia in the Queen's Birthday
Honours in 1999, and was made a Companion of the Order in 2006 for
service to higher education.
Chubb has also been Vice Chancellor of Flinders University (1995�2000),
Senior Deputy Vice-Chancellor at Monash University (1993�1995), Deputy
Vice Chancellor of the University of Wollongong (1986�1990), the
president of the Australian Vice-Chancellors' Committee and chairman of
the Group of Eight university lobby group.
Did you have someone better to propose for the job?
farkya hzalle
> Addinall wrote:
> > On Jun 22, 8:52 am, jg <j...@nospam.com> wrote:
> >> olde.sault wrote:
> >>> Ju-Liar lifts another grub
> >>> onto the wagon that's crammed,
> >>> with professors of something else -
> >>> Please welcome Ian Chubb--
> >>> OS
> >> Did you have someone better in mind for the job?
>
> > "honorary doctor of science from Flinders University"
>
> > Yeah. Tomato.
>
> > Mark Addinall.
>
> Ian William Chubb, AC (born 17 October 1943) is the Vice Chancellor and
> President of the Australian National University. He has held this post
> since 2001. He was also the president of the International Alliance of
> Research Universities from 2006 to 2009. Professor Chubb has a Masters
> in Science, a DPhil from the University of Oxford and is an honorary
> doctor of science from Flinders University. He was made an Officer in
> the general division of the Order of Australia in the Queen's Birthday
> Honours in 1999, and was made a Companion of the Order in 2006 for
> service to higher education.
>
> Senior Deputy Vice-Chancellor at Monash University (1993–1995), Deputy
> Vice Chancellor of the University of Wollongong (1986–1990), the
> president of the Australian Vice-Chancellors' Committee and chairman of
> the Group of Eight university lobby group.
>
> Did you have someone better to propose for the job?
Let's get this buulshit in perspective, and the first to go in the
honarary doctorate whic is worth no more than the paper it printed on.
Ph D., in what, exactly. Masters degree in science, in which
discipline? If it's chemistry or biology they aren't worth a pinch of
shit in the alleged global warming scam. As for the Chancelor/Vice
Chancellor positions, they aren't worth a speck of fly shit in the
argument either.
Addinall
> > On Jun 22, 8:52 am, jg <j...@nospam.com> wrote:
> >> olde.sault wrote:
> >>> Ju-Liar lifts another grub
> >>> onto the wagon that's crammed,
> >>> with professors of something else -
> >>> Please welcome Ian Chubb--
> >>> OS
> >> Did you have someone better in mind for the job?
>
> > "honorary doctor of science from Flinders University"
>
> > Yeah. Tomato.
>
> > Mark Addinall.
>
> Ian William Chubb, AC (born 17 October 1943) is the Vice Chancellor and
> President of the Australian National University.
Wow! The ANU?
> He has held this post
> since 2001. He was also the president of the International Alliance of
> Research Universities from 2006 to 2009. Professor Chubb has a Masters
> in Science, a DPhil from the University of Oxford and is an honorary
> doctor of science from Flinders University. He was made an Officer in
> the general division of the Order of Australia in the Queen's Birthday
> Honours in 1999, and was made a Companion of the Order in 2006 for
> service to higher education.
No science then? But lots of politics?
>
> Chubb has also been Vice Chancellor of Flinders University (1995–2000),
> Senior Deputy Vice-Chancellor at Monash University (1993–1995), Deputy
> Vice Chancellor of the University of Wollongong (1986–1990), the
> president of the Australian Vice-Chancellors' Committee and chairman of
> the Group of Eight university lobby group.
>
> Did you have someone better to propose for the job?
Yeah. My cleaner.
Mark Addinall.
tomasso
Of the VCs, Chubb was/is a pretty good one.
There are some good ones and some OK ones, and a few real duds.
T.
jg
> On Jun 22, 10:13 am, jg <j...@nospam.com> wrote:
>> Addinall wrote:
>>> On Jun 22, 8:52 am, jg <j...@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>> olde.sault wrote:
>>>>> Ju-Liar lifts another grub
>>>>> onto the wagon that's crammed,
>>>>> with professors of something else -
>>>>> Please welcome Ian Chubb--
>>>>> OS
>>>> Did you have someone better in mind for the job?
>>> "honorary doctor of science from Flinders University"
>>> Yeah. Tomato.
>>> Mark Addinall.
>> Ian William Chubb, AC (born 17 October 1943) is the Vice Chancellor and
>> President of the Australian National University. He has held this post
>> since 2001. He was also the president of the International Alliance of
>> Research Universities from 2006 to 2009. Professor Chubb has a Masters
>> in Science, a DPhil from the University of Oxford and is an honorary
>> doctor of science from Flinders University. He was made an Officer in
>> the general division of the Order of Australia in the Queen's Birthday
>> Honours in 1999, and was made a Companion of the Order in 2006 for
>> service to higher education.
>>
>> Senior Deputy Vice-Chancellor at Monash University (1993�1995), Deputy
>> Vice Chancellor of the University of Wollongong (1986�1990), the
>> president of the Australian Vice-Chancellors' Committee and chairman of
>> the Group of Eight university lobby group.
>>
>> Did you have someone better to propose for the job?
>
> Let's get this buulshit in perspective, and the first to go in the
> honarary doctorate whic is worth no more than the paper it printed on.
> Ph D., in what, exactly. Masters degree in science, in which
> discipline? If it's chemistry or biology they aren't worth a pinch of
> shit in the alleged global warming scam. As for the Chancelor/Vice
> Chancellor positions, they aren't worth a speck of fly shit in the
> argument either.
So who then, bearing in mind it's not the office of climate change?
Ph D in Philosophy, and the Masters is in nueroscience, since you were
too academically challenged to find that out for yourself.
jg
>> Senior Deputy Vice-Chancellor at Monash University (1993�1995), Deputy
>> Vice Chancellor of the University of Wollongong (1986�1990), the
>> president of the Australian Vice-Chancellors' Committee and chairman of
>> the Group of Eight university lobby group.
>>
>> Did you have someone better to propose for the job?
>
> Yeah. My cleaner.
>
> Mark Addinall.
>
>
.......... He has published widely and has taught science and medical
students at undergraduate and postgraduate level, and supervised
research students.
But you are not actually looking for qualifications are you? Just
want... your cleaner, who probably agrees with you.
olde.sault
I read in Google that Chubb is "Master" of science - certainly NOT a
professor.
jg
Try googling 'professor ian chubb'.
Do let us know how you got on.
Oy rool out a carbon tax
> On Jun 22, 10:13 am, jg <j...@nospam.com> wrote:
>> Addinall wrote:
>>> On Jun 22, 8:52 am, jg <j...@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>> olde.sault wrote:
>>>>> Ju-Liar lifts another grub
>>>>> onto the wagon that's crammed,
>>>>> with professors of something else -
>>>>> Please welcome Ian Chubb--
>>>>> OS
>>>> Did you have someone better in mind for the job?
>>> "honorary doctor of science from Flinders University"
>>> Yeah. Tomato.
>>> Mark Addinall.
>> Ian William Chubb, AC (born 17 October 1943) is the Vice Chancellor and
>> President of the Australian National University. He has held this post
>> since 2001. He was also the president of the International Alliance of
>> Research Universities from 2006 to 2009. Professor Chubb has a Masters
>> in Science, a DPhil from the University of Oxford and is an honorary
>> doctor of science from Flinders University. He was made an Officer in
>> the general division of the Order of Australia in the Queen's Birthday
>> Honours in 1999, and was made a Companion of the Order in 2006 for
>> service to higher education.
>>
>> Senior Deputy Vice-Chancellor at Monash University (1993�1995), Deputy
>> Vice Chancellor of the University of Wollongong (1986�1990), the
>> president of the Australian Vice-Chancellors' Committee and chairman of
>> the Group of Eight university lobby group.
>>
>> Did you have someone better to propose for the job?
>
> Let's get this buulshit in perspective, and the first to go in the
> honarary doctorate whic is worth no more than the paper it printed on.
> Ph D., in what, exactly. Masters degree in science, in which
> discipline? If it's chemistry or biology they aren't worth a pinch of
> shit in the alleged global warming scam. As for the Chancelor/Vice
> Chancellor positions, they aren't worth a speck of fly shit in the
> argument either.
All very true. chancellor/VC are just job titles; they are nothing to do
with qualification beyond PhD. And honorary doctorates?
BWAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!
Any clown can end up getting one. We could make Australian film director
Paul Cox our chief scientist - he got an honorary doctorate from Sydney
University of Technology - certificate from a tech school. WOW!
--
"If we cut emissions today, global temperatures are not likely to drop
for about a thousand years. "
-- Tim (it ain't a gonna rain no more) Flannery
- Australian Climate Commissar
olde.sault
> >> Senior Deputy Vice-Chancellor at Monash University (1993 1995), Deputy
> >> Vice Chancellor of the University of Wollongong (1986 1990), the
> >> president of the Australian Vice-Chancellors' Committee and chairman of
> >> the Group of Eight university lobby group.
>
> >> Did you have someone better to propose for the job?
>
> > Yeah. My cleaner.
>
> > Mark Addinall.
>
> Professor Chubb began his university career as a neuroscientist
> .......... He has published widely and has taught science and medical
> students at undergraduate and postgraduate level, and supervised
> research students.
>
> But you are not actually looking for qualifications are you? Just
> want... your cleaner, who probably agrees with you.
Anyone who makes a career out of a hoax is a traitor to this country.
We've many such germs : Ju-Liar, GayBob, Garnaut, Flannery - and those
who back them, Senator Fielding,
Cate Blanchard, Michael Cator, etc.
OS
Oy rool out a carbon tax
problem is the "unwritten" conditions surrounding the appointment. In
short, whoever it is must be prepared to pander to the government line.
Plimer, for instance, would be eminently better qualified to head the
Climate Commission than Flannery. But the chances of him being even on
the long list would be as much as hell freezing over. Still... with
global temperatures falling the way they are, who knows?
tomasso
Of course he didn't have a PhD. He did have a DPhil (Oxon), which is that
PhD's are called at Oxford.
T.
jg
The previous office holder resigned half way through her 5 year tenure,
at least partly over govt inaction over climate change.
Chubb has not made a career from any hoax and this position is not a
'climate change job'. It's doubtful he needs the job or any pay from it.
jg
> jg wrote:
......
>>
>> But you are not actually looking for qualifications are you? Just
>> want... your cleaner, who probably agrees with you.
>>
>>
> I think there are doubtless plenty of good candidates out there. The
> problem is the "unwritten" conditions surrounding the appointment. In
> short, whoever it is must be prepared to pander to the government line.
> Plimer, for instance, would be eminently better qualified to head the
> Climate Commission than Flannery. But the chances of him being even on
> the long list would be as much as hell freezing over. Still... with
> global temperatures falling the way they are, who knows?
>
How about the previous one who resigned over govt inaction on climate
change?
jg
Obviously that's not how he got be a professor.
olde.sault
She definitely was a fruitcake!
OS
Oy rool out a carbon tax
Sounds like she resigned because of her strong political agenda. Perhaps
her appointment was then misdirected in the first place. Wasn't it
supposed to be something to do with science? She would have been better
suited to Chief AGW Activist by the sound of it. Clearly, that's where
her passion lies - politics, not science.
olde.sault
> >>> Senior Deputy Vice-Chancellor at Monash University (1993 1995), Deputy
> >>> Vice Chancellor of the University of Wollongong (1986 1990), the
> >>> president of the Australian Vice-Chancellors' Committee and chairman of
> >>> the Group of Eight university lobby group.
>
> >>> Did you have someone better to propose for the job?
> >> Let's get this buulshit in perspective, and the first to go in the
> >> honarary doctorate whic is worth no more than the paper it printed on.
> >> Ph D., in what, exactly. Masters degree in science, in which
> >> discipline? If it's chemistry or biology they aren't worth a pinch of
> >> shit in the alleged global warming scam. As for the Chancelor/Vice
> >> Chancellor positions, they aren't worth a speck of fly shit in the
> >> argument either.
>
> > All very true. chancellor/VC are just job titles; they are nothing to do
> > with qualification beyond PhD. And honorary doctorates?
>
> > BWAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!
>
> > Any clown can end up getting one. We could make Australian film director
> > Paul Cox our chief scientist - he got an honorary doctorate from Sydney
> > University of Technology - certificate from a tech school. WOW!
>
> Obviously that's not how he got be a professor.
Probably cheated!
OS
Oy rool out a carbon tax
Not suggesting, even remotely, that it was. The comment was on the
worthlessness of the "honorary doctorate" award, which was what the OP
alluded to. Any clown can end up getting one. IIRC, Prince Charles has
one (maybe a few). The UK could appoint him head of their climate
science thingo commission... whatever they have there.
jg
> jg wrote:
>> Oy rool out a carbon tax wrote:
>>> jg wrote:
>> ......
>>>> But you are not actually looking for qualifications are you? Just
>>>> want... your cleaner, who probably agrees with you.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I think there are doubtless plenty of good candidates out there. The
>>> problem is the "unwritten" conditions surrounding the appointment. In
>>> short, whoever it is must be prepared to pander to the government line.
>>> Plimer, for instance, would be eminently better qualified to head the
>>> Climate Commission than Flannery. But the chances of him being even on
>>> the long list would be as much as hell freezing over. Still... with
>>> global temperatures falling the way they are, who knows?
>>>
>> How about the previous one who resigned over govt inaction on climate
>> change?
>
> Sounds like she resigned because of her strong political agenda. Perhaps
> her appointment was then misdirected in the first place. Wasn't it
> supposed to be something to do with science? She would have been better
> suited to Chief AGW Activist by the sound of it. Clearly, that's where
> her passion lies - politics, not science.
>
So what was that about the govt line again?
jg
Yeah right.
Oy rool out a carbon tax
Problem is he was clearly an agenda-based activist, favouring the Labs
political line, prior to his "transparent" appointment. Kinda makes the
whole thing (and the position) rather farcical, indeed redundant. The
guvmint knows in advance which way their new objective advisor is going
to lean, hence his successful appointment. And hence the redundancy of
having the position exist in the first place. Much like the Climate
Commissar position Flannery is leeching our money off.
Oy rool out a carbon tax
appointment. What clearly wasn't anticipated though, was that she'd push
the guvmint beyond what they could or were prepared to do on her
activist/lobbyist agenda. Not pandering, but pestering. Most people who
start trying to push their bosses to perform better end up, for some
strange reason, taking the generous early retirement package which
suddenly materializes before them.
olde.sault
Ha-ha-ha!
OS
farkya hzalle
> >> Senior Deputy Vice-Chancellor at Monash University (1993–1995), Deputy
> >> Vice Chancellor of the University of Wollongong (1986–1990), the
> >> president of the Australian Vice-Chancellors' Committee and chairman of
> >> the Group of Eight university lobby group.
>
> >> Did you have someone better to propose for the job?
>
> > Yeah. My cleaner.
>
> > Mark Addinall.
>
> Professor Chubb began his university career as a neuroscientist
Oh, a NEUROscientist. yeah, I can how that discipline would be so
very, VERY applicable to the study of planet wide weather and climate.
> .......... He has published widely and has taught science and medical
> students at undergraduate and postgraduate level, and supervised
> research students.
All completely irrelevant.
>
> But you are not actually looking for qualifications are you? Just
> want... your cleaner, who probably agrees with you.
More irrelevant shite.
jg
Help me out here - what's the joke?
jg
climate change, of all the aspects of science for which the office is
intended.
jg
They could, but Flinders uni is not a climate change thingy honorary
doctorates aren't a good basis to pick climate change thingy people on.
Better off with a professor. That is, if the chief scientist was a cc
thingy, which it isn't.
jg
Hmm, a bit like an each way bet.
jg
>>>> Senior Deputy Vice-Chancellor at Monash University (1993�1995), Deputy
>>>> Vice Chancellor of the University of Wollongong (1986�1990), the
>>>> president of the Australian Vice-Chancellors' Committee and chairman of
>>>> the Group of Eight university lobby group.
>>>> Did you have someone better to propose for the job?
>>> Yeah. My cleaner.
>>> Mark Addinall.
>> Professor Chubb began his university career as a neuroscientist
>
> Oh, a NEUROscientist. yeah, I can how that discipline would be so
> very, VERY applicable to the study of planet wide weather and climate.
>
And how useful will a 'climate scientist' be in all the other areas of
science with which the office is concerned?
In the end, it won't be a climate scientist who works out how to stop
burning oil before it disappears anyway.
A pinup for/against climate change is not what this country needs to
lift it from its present parlous state in science, engineering and
innovation.
If any criticism is due, medical science isn't what needs the most help.
Addinall
"Australia's chief scientist Ian Chubb says the ''science is in on
climate change'' and that too much public air time has been given to
unproven and untested climate change scepticism."
Well, that didn't take long.
''There are probably people now who think I am partisan because I'm
saying the science is in on climate change. Well I don't think that's
partisan, I think that I can read English as Ross Garnaut once said
and understand it."
He might be able to read English. He just failed Statistics 101.
Mark Addinall.
Krzysztof Wozniak
<gillard_l...@promises.are.invalid> wrote:
> farkya hzalle wrote:
> > On Jun 22, 10:13 am, jg <j...@nospam.com> wrote:
> >> Addinall wrote:
> >>> On Jun 22, 8:52 am, jg <j...@nospam.com> wrote:
> >>>> olde.sault wrote:
> >>>>> Ju-Liar lifts another grub
> >>>>> onto the wagon that's crammed,
> >>>>> with professors of something else -
> >>>>> Please welcome Ian Chubb--
> >>>>> OS
> >>>> Did you have someone better in mind for the job?
> >>> "honorary doctor of science from Flinders University"
> >>> Yeah. Tomato.
> >>> Mark Addinall.
> >> Ian William Chubb, AC (born 17 October 1943) is the Vice Chancellor and
> >> President of the Australian National University. He has held this post
> >> since 2001. He was also the president of the International Alliance of
> >> Research Universities from 2006 to 2009. Professor Chubb has a Masters
> >> in Science, a DPhil from the University of Oxford and is an honorary
> >> doctor of science from Flinders University. He was made an Officer in
> >> the general division of the Order of Australia in the Queen's Birthday
> >> Honours in 1999, and was made a Companion of the Order in 2006 for
> >> service to higher education.
>
> >> Senior Deputy Vice-Chancellor at Monash University (1993–1995), Deputy
> >> Vice Chancellor of the University of Wollongong (1986–1990), the
> >> president of the Australian Vice-Chancellors' Committee and chairman of
> >> the Group of Eight university lobby group.
>
> >> Did you have someone better to propose for the job?
>
> > Let's get this buulshit in perspective, and the first to go in the
> > honarary doctorate whic is worth no more than the paper it printed on.
> > Ph D., in what, exactly. Masters degree in science, in which
> > discipline? If it's chemistry or biology they aren't worth a pinch of
> > shit in the alleged global warming scam. As for the Chancelor/Vice
> > Chancellor positions, they aren't worth a speck of fly shit in the
> > argument either.
>
> All very true. chancellor/VC are just job titles; they are nothing to do
> with qualification beyond PhD. And honorary doctorates?
>
> BWAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Any clown can end up getting one.
how many have you got, Oy?
Regards,
Krzysztof
Oy rool out a carbon tax
Not to mention Science 101. When is "the science" ever "in" on _any_
thing scientific, in the mind of _any_ real scientist. Sounds like he
belongs with Climate Commissar Fraudery.
Oy rool out a carbon tax
It's a great shame that they turn an appointment of a scientist into a
party political appointment in the first place. Still, we're used to it
here in Vic, with the previous two police commissioners appointed on the
basis of political "yes men".
Oy rool out a carbon tax
thingo. In the case of Sackett, they picked someone who was *too*
zealous with their agenda to keep up with! Labor overdoing it yet again.
LOL!
Addinall
>
> > Mark Addinall.
>
> Not to mention Science 101. When is "the science" ever "in" on _any_
> thing scientific, in the mind of _any_ real scientist. Sounds like he
> belongs with Climate Commissar Fraudery.
Yep. Reaading from the same phrase book.
Disgusting.
Mark Addinall.
HD
"jg" <j...@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:Ha9Mp.7108$aH5....@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com...
> olde.sault wrote:
>> Ju-Liar lifts another grub
>> onto the wagon that's crammed,
>> with professors of something else -
>> Please welcome Ian Chubb--
>>
>> OS
>
> Did you have someone better in mind for the job?
>
>
Olde. sault favorite hobby is sitting in a bath tub, farting and watching
the bubbles come up.
With such scientific experiences she should have got the job.
Oy rool out a carbon tax
just votes. They use the office of Chief Scientist in an attempt to lend
credibility to their policies. The only science-related voting issue of
the day is AGW/carbon tax. All they need is somebody who is prepared to
peddle that. End of story.
> In the end, it won't be a climate scientist who works out how to stop
> burning oil before it disappears anyway.
> A pinup for/against climate change is not what this country needs to
> lift it from its present parlous state in science, engineering and
> innovation.
That's been the problem for decades (from all sides of politics). They
want the returns on the riches, but are not prepared to invest squat in
what's needed to make it all happen. Why do you think I leapfrogged
Australia completely and went straight to Europe to get funding for R&D?
Decades of past experience, knowing it would be a total waste of time
trying to wring any funding from any Australian government.
> If any criticism is due, medical science isn't what needs the most help.
>
Oy rool out a carbon tax
>>>> Senior Deputy Vice-Chancellor at Monash University (1993�1995), Deputy
>>>> Vice Chancellor of the University of Wollongong (1986�1990), the
>>>> president of the Australian Vice-Chancellors' Committee and chairman of
>>>> the Group of Eight university lobby group.
>>>> Did you have someone better to propose for the job?
>>> Let's get this buulshit in perspective, and the first to go in the
>>> honarary doctorate whic is worth no more than the paper it printed on.
>>> Ph D., in what, exactly. Masters degree in science, in which
>>> discipline? If it's chemistry or biology they aren't worth a pinch of
>>> shit in the alleged global warming scam. As for the Chancelor/Vice
>>> Chancellor positions, they aren't worth a speck of fly shit in the
>>> argument either.
>> All very true. chancellor/VC are just job titles; they are nothing to do
>> with qualification beyond PhD. And honorary doctorates?
>>
>> BWAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>> Any clown can end up getting one.
>
>
> how many have you got, Oy?
jg
> jg wrote:
>>>> Obviously that's not how he got be a professor.
>>>>
>>> Not suggesting, even remotely, that it was. The comment was on the
>>> worthlessness of the "honorary doctorate" award, which was what the OP
>>> alluded to. Any clown can end up getting one. IIRC, Prince Charles has
>>> one (maybe a few). The UK could appoint him head of their climate
>>> science thingo commission... whatever they have there.
>>>
>> They could, but Flinders uni is not a climate change thingy honorary
>> doctorates aren't a good basis to pick climate change thingy people on.
>> Better off with a professor. That is, if the chief scientist was a cc
>> thingy, which it isn't.
>>
>>
> Trouble is, they pick whoever agrees with their views of the AGW agenda
> thingo. In the case of Sackett, they picked someone who was *too*
> zealous with their agenda to keep up with! Labor overdoing it yet again.
> LOL!
>
Maybe, but it's not often members of such thingys' best qualification is
an honorary doctorate.
Oy rool out a carbon tax
Yep. Again, sounds good to the plebs but actually means nothing in terms
of scientific expertise. The average jock wouldn't have a clue that, for
instance, Plimer is eminently better qualified than Flannery to head a
Climate Committee. But its all politics, not science, of course.
jg
> jg wrote:
.....
>>>
>> science with which the office is concerned?
> It doesn't matter to the guvmint. They aren't interested in science,
> just votes. They use the office of Chief Scientist in an attempt to lend
> credibility to their policies. The only science-related voting issue of
> the day is AGW/carbon tax. All they need is somebody who is prepared to
> peddle that. End of story.
>
Though the office has existed for many years, I have never known the
voting public to notice what it said or a govt to take much notice of it
for that matter. The previous resignation is testimony to that.
>> In the end, it won't be a climate scientist who works out how to stop
>> burning oil before it disappears anyway.
>> A pinup for/against climate change is not what this country needs to
>> lift it from its present parlous state in science, engineering and
>> innovation.
> That's been the problem for decades (from all sides of politics). They
> want the returns on the riches, but are not prepared to invest squat in
> what's needed to make it all happen. Why do you think I leapfrogged
> Australia completely and went straight to Europe to get funding for R&D?
> Decades of past experience, knowing it would be a total waste of time
> trying to wring any funding from any Australian government.
>
I don't need any convincing of that, but it's much more likely due to
govt inaction on the chief scientists' recommendations than that they
were put there as pretty ineffective supporters of some govt policy or
other.
Oy rool out a carbon tax
> Oy rool out a carbon tax wrote:
>> jg wrote:
> .....
>>>>
>>> And how useful will a 'climate scientist' be in all the other areas of
>>> science with which the office is concerned?
>
>> It doesn't matter to the guvmint. They aren't interested in science,
>> just votes. They use the office of Chief Scientist in an attempt to lend
>> credibility to their policies. The only science-related voting issue of
>> the day is AGW/carbon tax. All they need is somebody who is prepared to
>> peddle that. End of story.
>>
>
> Though the office has existed for many years, I have never known the
> voting public to notice what it said or a govt to take much notice of it
> for that matter. The previous resignation is testimony to that.
I'd agree with that... up until now. The burning political issue of the
day is the justification to raise taxes through what "the science"
<cough> is telling us. This now brings this obscure backroom office to
the fore and it's most important for the guvmint to have its "objective"
<cough> advice concur with their need for yet another revenue raiser.
Nothing can demonstrate it better than the rise of the IPCC from a
little special interest club to one of the most influential entities on
the planet. And don't they just love the power!
>
>>> In the end, it won't be a climate scientist who works out how to stop
>>> burning oil before it disappears anyway.
>>> A pinup for/against climate change is not what this country needs to
>>> lift it from its present parlous state in science, engineering and
>>> innovation.
>
>> That's been the problem for decades (from all sides of politics). They
>> want the returns on the riches, but are not prepared to invest squat in
>> what's needed to make it all happen. Why do you think I leapfrogged
>> Australia completely and went straight to Europe to get funding for R&D?
>> Decades of past experience, knowing it would be a total waste of time
>> trying to wring any funding from any Australian government.
>>
>
> I don't need any convincing of that, but it's much more likely due to
> govt inaction on the chief scientists' recommendations than that they
> were put there as pretty ineffective supporters of some govt policy or
> other.
Well, they're only tokens unless they can be used to political ends. And
AGW taxes is THE big one. The rest of the time they're just paperweights.
jg
Not sure how a geologist employed in mining beats a paleontology science
master for relevance, but anyone who thinks the average jock puts their
faith in some 'climate change committee' is barking up the wrong tree.
Oy rool out a carbon tax
I'd put more faith in the assessments of a strong critic of creationism
than in a believer in some "Earth monster" called Gaia. Still, I agree
that the average jock doesn't even get to know of the existence of such
committees unless the guvmint starts using their "independent" advice to
peddle their political agenda.
jg
> jg wrote:
>> Not sure how a geologist employed in mining beats a paleontology science
>> master for relevance, but anyone who thinks the average jock puts their
>> faith in some 'climate change committee' is barking up the wrong tree.
>
> I'd put more faith in the assessments of a strong critic of creationism
> than in a believer in some "Earth monster" called Gaia. Still, I agree
> that the average jock doesn't even get to know of the existence of such
> committees unless the guvmint starts using their "independent" advice to
> peddle their political agenda.
>
The average person doesn't trust any govt to act honestly on any advice
good or bad. If they are interested, and more are than many give credit
for, they search independently for it. And the harder the sell the more
suspicious Australians are.
Gordon Levi
>
>Ju-Liar lifts another grub
>onto the wagon that's crammed,
>with professors of something else -
>Please welcome Ian Chubb--
Well done OS! You have managed to make the most intelligent post of
all the conservatives in this thread although (or because) it is
entirely content-free.
Since many of them claim to be "scientists" it is surprising that few
have had the wit to assume that anybody appointed to a senior
scientific post these days inevitably has a doctorate in a scientific
field. If they did they would have noted that Professor Chubb has a
DPhil from Oxford <http://www.csiro.au/people/Ian.Chubb.html>.
On top of their ignorance about Professor Chubb's qualifications they
don't seem to have any idea about the role of the Chief Scientist
<http://www.chiefscientist.gov.au/>. They apparently believe that his
only role is to give them the scientific advice about climate change
that they intend to ignore.
Oy rool out a carbon tax
> "olde.sault" <olde....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Ju-Liar lifts another grub
>> onto the wagon that's crammed,
>> with professors of something else -
>> Please welcome Ian Chubb--
>
> Well done OS! You have managed to make the most intelligent post of
> all the conservatives in this thread although (or because) it is
> entirely content-free.
>
> Since many of them claim to be "scientists" it is surprising that few
> have had the wit to assume that anybody appointed to a senior
> scientific post these days inevitably has a doctorate in a scientific
> field. If they did they would have noted that Professor Chubb has a
> DPhil from Oxford <http://www.csiro.au/people/Ian.Chubb.html>.
the lack of weight of an _honorary_ doctorate, not a dispute over
whether he had a PhD.
> On top of their ignorance about Professor Chubb's qualifications they
> don't seem to have any idea about the role of the Chief Scientist
> <http://www.chiefscientist.gov.au/>. They apparently believe that his
> only role is to give them the scientific advice about climate change
> that they intend to ignore.
That's the only thing the guvmint is interested in from his role -
another "independent authority" to support their great big new carbon
dioxide tax.
Gordon Levi
>Gordon Levi wrote:
>> "olde.sault" <olde....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Ju-Liar lifts another grub
>>> onto the wagon that's crammed,
>>> with professors of something else -
>>> Please welcome Ian Chubb--
>>
>> Well done OS! You have managed to make the most intelligent post of
>> all the conservatives in this thread although (or because) it is
>> entirely content-free.
>>
>> Since many of them claim to be "scientists" it is surprising that few
>> have had the wit to assume that anybody appointed to a senior
>> scientific post these days inevitably has a doctorate in a scientific
>> field. If they did they would have noted that Professor Chubb has a
>> DPhil from Oxford <http://www.csiro.au/people/Ian.Chubb.html>.
>Having read the thread, the "doctorate" discussion seemed to centre on
>the lack of weight of an _honorary_ doctorate, not a dispute over
>whether he had a PhD.
True! The mindless discussion was centred on his honorary doctorate as
though the participants believed that this was his most relevant
qualification rather than yet another honour that he has received.
They failed to make the obvious assumption that anybody who had a
science professorship, let alone being appointed Chief Scientist, is
certain to have a PhD unless they were awarded a Nobel Laureate
without one.
>
>> On top of their ignorance about Professor Chubb's qualifications they
>> don't seem to have any idea about the role of the Chief Scientist
>> <http://www.chiefscientist.gov.au/>. They apparently believe that his
>> only role is to give them the scientific advice about climate change
>> that they intend to ignore.
>That's the only thing the guvmint is interested in from his role -
>another "independent authority" to support their great big new carbon
>dioxide tax.
Let's assume you are right. Do you accept that Professor Chubb is
qualified for the job? If not, why not? If so, it should be
straightforward to convince him of your _scientific_ climate
conservative arguments and you will save your fellow Australians
several billion dollars.
Oy rool out a carbon tax
doctorate holds any weight at all in terms of expertise. Not to mention
that they have no clue as to the distinction between this and a PhD. A
general ignorance of the whole issue of who is and is not qualified for
such a position. And by extension, an ignorance of the scientific world
in general.
>>> On top of their ignorance about Professor Chubb's qualifications they
>>> don't seem to have any idea about the role of the Chief Scientist
>>> <http://www.chiefscientist.gov.au/>. They apparently believe that his
>>> only role is to give them the scientific advice about climate change
>>> that they intend to ignore.
>> That's the only thing the guvmint is interested in from his role -
>> another "independent authority" to support their great big new carbon
>> dioxide tax.
>
> Let's assume you are right. Do you accept that Professor Chubb is
> qualified for the job? If not, why not? If so, it should be
> straightforward to convince him of your _scientific_ climate
> conservative arguments and you will save your fellow Australians
> several billion dollars.
Not that simple. He has the required academic qualifications on paper,
and probably the experience needed at science-related organizational
level. My problem is that he was appointed on the basis of his
pre-stated "belief" that AGW is true and is happening. Apart from seeing
this as a totally non-science based leap of faith, my main objection is
that he was appointed because he could be expected not to cause any
waves for the Green-Labor political agenda. In other words, he was
appointed because of his assumed politics. Somebody equally qualified
but who was unconvinced of AGW on a scientific basis would not have even
got on to the short list.
Gordon Levi
I'm inclined to agree that your preferred candidate would not have
made the short list but there is a major flaw in your argument. Nobody
matching your selection criteria exists! Can you name a single
Australian that could be regarded as anything like "equally qualified"
in terms of their academic qualifications, research and status that is
"unconvinced of AGW on a scientific basis"?
Oy rool out a carbon tax
obvious ostracism by the alarmists. One of many I'm led to believe.
Oy rool out a carbon tax
obvious ostracism by the alarmists. One of many I'm led to believe.
But I find it difficult to conceive of a decent scientist who *would* be
convinced of AGW on a scientific basis. The "theory" basically boils
down to saying that as long as the CO2 goes up, the temperature will
follow. Over the last decade we've pumped CO2 out faster than at any
time in the history of human-made stuff, yet the temperature has
plateaued, even arguably fallen. Observation does not tally with
prediction. ergo: "theory" -> bunkum. You don't need to be a climate
"scientist" to see that. Not even a brilliant scientist. Just a decent
scientist in any scientific discipline.
Gordon Levi
I don't believe you. No scientist that could conceivably be offered
the job of Chief Scientist would remain silent while his country
spends billions of dollars on climate change mitigation.
Petzl
<gor...@address.invalid> wrote:
>>Yes. I spoke with one last week, but I won't name him here for the
>>obvious ostracism by the alarmists. One of many I'm led to believe.
>
>I don't believe you. No scientist that could conceivably be offered
>the job of Chief Scientist would remain silent while his country
>spends billions of dollars on climate change mitigation.
Bolt report with Lord Monckton
http://ten.com.au/video.htm?movideo_p=44795&movideo_m=114847
--
Petzl
What perfect set of circumstances placed our Sun a Celestial ball of fire at just the correct distance from our little blue planet for life to evolve?
All simply conicidence? The very fact we exist is nothing but the result of a complex yet inevitable string of chemical accidents and biological mutations?
There is no Grand meaning; There is no purpose
Gordon Levi
>On Mon, 27 Jun 2011 23:12:19 +0200, Gordon Levi
><gor...@address.invalid> wrote:
>
>>>Yes. I spoke with one last week, but I won't name him here for the
>>>obvious ostracism by the alarmists. One of many I'm led to believe.
>>
>>I don't believe you. No scientist that could conceivably be offered
>>the job of Chief Scientist would remain silent while his country
>>spends billions of dollars on climate change mitigation.
>
>Bolt report with Lord Monckton
>http://ten.com.au/video.htm?movideo_p=44795&movideo_m=114847
I'm currently in South Africa so I can't watch it. Who does Monckton
suggest as a candidate that meets "Oy"'s specifications?
Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax
on a scientific basis" but now you've changed that to "remain silent".
What is it you're asking?
Petzl
<gor...@address.invalid> wrote:
Any one who does not ridicule scientists who do not agree with
unproven science, patricianly in "Climate change" without any
checking, like our politically selected "Chief Scientist" demands.
Gordon Levi
>On Tue, 28 Jun 2011 02:13:55 +0200, Gordon Levi
><gor...@address.invalid> wrote:
>
>>Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 27 Jun 2011 23:12:19 +0200, Gordon Levi
>>><gor...@address.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>Yes. I spoke with one last week, but I won't name him here for the
>>>>>obvious ostracism by the alarmists. One of many I'm led to believe.
>>>>
>>>>I don't believe you. No scientist that could conceivably be offered
>>>>the job of Chief Scientist would remain silent while his country
>>>>spends billions of dollars on climate change mitigation.
>>>
>>>Bolt report with Lord Monckton
>>>http://ten.com.au/video.htm?movideo_p=44795&movideo_m=114847
>>
>>I'm currently in South Africa so I can't watch it. Who does Monckton
>>suggest as a candidate that meets "Oy"'s specifications?
>
>Any one who does not ridicule scientists who do not agree with
>unproven science, patricianly in "Climate change" without any
>checking, like our politically selected "Chief Scientist" demands.
Presumably you meet _that_ selection criterion. Do you really think
that you are qualified for the job? If not, who is?
Petzl
<gor...@address.invalid> wrote:
My understanding of the word "Scientist" is that qualification wise
one needs none. The main (clanger) our new "Chief Scientist" Professor
Ian Chubb gave was an immediate attack on "climate science deniers"
(Slogan Climate change Deniers has Nazi Holocaust implications)
http://goo.gl/ewQpe
This is suggesting to me he is speaking outside his field and is not
listening and has a closed mind and why Gillard appointed him
(political opinion not for science)
Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax
> On Thu, 30 Jun 2011 03:00:41 +0200, Gordon Levi
> <gor...@address.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Petzl<pet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> Bolt report with Lord Monckton
>>>>> http://ten.com.au/video.htm?movideo_p=44795&movideo_m=114847
>>>>
>>>> I'm currently in South Africa so I can't watch it. Who does Monckton
>>>> suggest as a candidate that meets "Oy"'s specifications?
>>>
>>> Any one who does not ridicule scientists who do not agree with
>>> unproven science, patricianly in "Climate change" without any
>>> checking, like our politically selected "Chief Scientist" demands.
>>
>> Presumably you meet _that_ selection criterion. Do you really think
>> that you are qualified for the job? If not, who is?
>
> My understanding of the word "Scientist" is that qualification wise
> one needs none. The main (clanger) our new "Chief Scientist" Professor
> Ian Chubb gave was an immediate attack on "climate science deniers"
> (Slogan Climate change Deniers has Nazi Holocaust implications)
> http://goo.gl/ewQpe
> This is suggesting to me he is speaking outside his field and is not
> listening and has a closed mind and why Gillard appointed him
> (political opinion not for science)
And he's not much of a scientist, despite his experience and
qualifications. He has no objectivity in what is probably the most
controversial topic in science (+ politics) today. Any scientist worth
his salt remains sceptical, even on well founded and established
science. He fails miserably.
Gordon Levi
You said you had spoken to a scientist who was qualified for the job
of Chief Scientist but was "unconvinced of AGW on a scientific basis".
You declined to name the person because you feared for his career and
I had to assume that he had similar fears. Anybody who is too
frightened to speak up about their scientific judgments is not
qualified to be Chief Scientist.
There are probably fewer than fifty scientists that have the prestige
to be appointed Chief Scientist. I don't believe that there are "many"
that are "unconvinced of AGW on a scientific basis" and are too
cowardly to speak up about their beliefs.
Addinall
It is one of the more serious 'unwritten' conventions that one does NOT
bandy around the names of non-contributing friends, peers or associates
in USENET posts with impunity. Since you seem so big on policing the
unwritten laws of aus.* USENET, I thought you might be aware of this.
As for your 'unwritten' law that all articles need to provide a
reference, I did. The Author and the publication. If you can not
craft a search criteria with those data as a basis plus "a verbatim
quote from the article", I am afraid you would be better served with a
mop, rather than a computer system.
The other of your unwritten laws that suggests all web sites pass
W3C validation seems to be still ignored by the Labor Party. Mine
validates after you had a hissy fit. Have you got the lunatic left
to comply yet? It doesn't look like it. Perhaps they are waiting
for a $20,000,000 grant and 40 more staff to undertake this voyage
into the unknown. Like every other Labor project. BIG, FAT, STUPID
and doomed to FAILURE.
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Hmmmmm. Do as I say, not as I do hey dimwit?
> and I had
> to assume that he had similar fears. Anybody who is too frightened to
> speak up about their scientific judgments is not qualified to be Chief
> Scientist.
>
> There are probably fewer than fifty scientists that have the prestige to
> be appointed Chief Scientist.
Well, the ones that are willing to exclude science to spruke a party
mantra seem limited. You will always be able to find a few at the ANU.
The circular city seems to build people with low character (DSD as an
exception). The ACS gets a lot of driftwood from the ANU as well.
> I don't believe that there are "many" that
> are "unconvinced of AGW on a scientific basis" and are too cowardly to
> speak up about their beliefs.
His mate might be speaking on the subject. You don't know do you? So
you speculate on his/her 'cowardice'?
My, how very brave Miss Levi.
Post your work contact details here:
--------------------
--------------------
And we'll have a chat about the subject.
Mark Addinall.
Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax
conversation on some lowest-common-denominator public internet
newsgroup? It's not up to me to speak on his behalf - this is the domain
of grubby leftwing journalists.
> There are probably fewer than fifty scientists that have the prestige
> to be appointed Chief Scientist.
Where do you generate this number from?
> I don't believe that there are "many"
> that are "unconvinced of AGW on a scientific basis" and are too
> cowardly to speak up about their beliefs.
And I don't really care for what you "believe". If you are happy for
science to operate by forced consensus in a political lobby, of a select
bunch of activists, masquerading as scientific assessment, then we're
not really talking on the same level of science.
Might I suggest you lay off the skokiaan.
Gordon Levi
>> You said you had spoken to a scientist who was qualified for the job
>> of Chief Scientist but was "unconvinced of AGW on a scientific basis".
>> You declined to name the person because you feared for his career and
>> I had to assume that he had similar fears. Anybody who is too
>> frightened to speak up about their scientific judgments is not
>> qualified to be Chief Scientist.
>Would you really expect me to breach the confidence of a private
>conversation on some lowest-common-denominator public internet
>newsgroup?
Of course not. I _would_ expect _him_ to speak up if he has the status
that would qualify him for the job of Chief Scientist and was
"unconvinced of AGW on a scientific basis". If he is not willing
firmly express his views he does not deserve the job.
I note that you have been unable to name anyone that is "unconvinced
of AGW on a scientific basis" and is qualified for the job of Chief
Scientist. If such a person exists they would have made their views
public. I have already agreed that they would not be appointed.
Petzl
<gor...@address.invalid> wrote:
>I note that you have been unable to name anyone that is "unconvinced
>of AGW on a scientific basis" and is qualified for the job of Chief
>Scientist. If such a person exists they would have made their views
>public. I have already agreed that they would not be appointed.
For reasons unknown a lot of bull is being touted by Global Warmists
as "scientific Fact" such as Gillard stating the Coral Reef was being
destroyed by Global Warming! Yet Australian Institute of Marine
Science, Townsville, Australia state.
****
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3053361/
While the limited data for the GBR prior to the 1980's suggests that
coral cover was higher than in our survey, we found no evidence of
consistent, system-wide decline in coral cover since 1995. Instead,
fluctuations in coral cover at subregional scales (10�100 km), driven
mostly by changes in fast-growing Acroporidae, occurred as a result of
localized disturbance events and subsequent recovery.
****
No media coverage or retraction by Gillard and her "Scientists"?
Petzl
--
Australia's parliament needs to obey our Constitutions, the judiciary must apply the law!
Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax
> Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax<gillar...@promises.are.invalid> wrote:
>
>>> You said you had spoken to a scientist who was qualified for the job
>>> of Chief Scientist but was "unconvinced of AGW on a scientific basis".
>>> You declined to name the person because you feared for his career and
>>> I had to assume that he had similar fears. Anybody who is too
>>> frightened to speak up about their scientific judgments is not
>>> qualified to be Chief Scientist.
>> Would you really expect me to breach the confidence of a private
>> conversation on some lowest-common-denominator public internet
>> newsgroup?
>
> Of course not. I _would_ expect _him_ to speak up if he has the status
> that would qualify him for the job of Chief Scientist and was
> "unconvinced of AGW on a scientific basis". If he is not willing
> firmly express his views he does not deserve the job.
high moral ground. But considering the fact that he does NOT have the
job, would you expect him to speak out against the "party line" spruiked
by the institution currently employing him, if it happened to be "Me too
- we support AGW and we thank you very much for our grant money"? Would
you be man enough to let him take it on the chin if there were any
ramifications? Would you be brave enough to let him cop any consequences.
> I note that you have been unable to name anyone that is "unconvinced
> of AGW on a scientific basis" and is qualified for the job of Chief
> Scientist.
Not unable to, but unwilling to. I wouldn't have the gutter morals to
breach the confidence of private conversations. You obviously operate on
a different standard.
> If such a person exists they would have made their views public.
For fairly obvious reasons, as suggested above, this would not be the
case in general. I've told you that my old university states that "they"
as a scientific institute, are in the "me too" camp with their public
rhetoric. But from those colleagues with whom I've spoken, there appears
to be anything _but_ an internal consensus. I don't know why any of them
who would go out of their way to make their views public. Why would they
in this "climate"? They would simply be publicly and politically branded
as contrarian denier sinner heretics in the pay of big oil, and possibly
cause internal waves which might even threaten their employment.
Ostracism is the term I'm after.
> I have already agreed that they would not be appointed.
I am glad that you realize the appointment has become a purely political
one. Much like the one in my sig.
Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax
> On Mon, 04 Jul 2011 02:02:55 +0200, Gordon Levi
> <gor...@address.invalid> wrote:
>
>> I note that you have been unable to name anyone that is "unconvinced
>> of AGW on a scientific basis" and is qualified for the job of Chief
>> Scientist. If such a person exists they would have made their views
>> public. I have already agreed that they would not be appointed.
>
> For reasons unknown a lot of bull is being touted by Global Warmists
> as "scientific Fact" such as Gillard stating the Coral Reef was being
> destroyed by Global Warming! Yet Australian Institute of Marine
> Science, Townsville, Australia state.
> ****
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3053361/
> While the limited data for the GBR prior to the 1980's suggests that
> coral cover was higher than in our survey, we found no evidence of
> consistent, system-wide decline in coral cover since 1995. Instead,
> mostly by changes in fast-growing Acroporidae, occurred as a result of
> localized disturbance events and subsequent recovery.
> ****
> No media coverage or retraction by Gillard and her "Scientists"?
You've just named an entire institute from whom the position of Chief
Scientist would *NOT* be selected, regardless of personal calibre. This
may help Gordon to understand, at least, the machinations of the
appointment process and who is/is not deemed as a suitable candidate.
Gordon Levi
>Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 30 Jun 2011 03:00:41 +0200, Gordon Levi
>><gor...@address.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>Bolt report with Lord Monckton
>>>>>>http://ten.com.au/video.htm?movideo_p=44795&movideo_m=114847
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm currently in South Africa so I can't watch it. Who does Monckton
>>>>>suggest as a candidate that meets "Oy"'s specifications?
>>>>
>>>>Any one who does not ridicule scientists who do not agree with
>>>>unproven science, patricianly in "Climate change" without any
>>>>checking, like our politically selected "Chief Scientist" demands.
>>>
>>>Presumably you meet _that_ selection criterion. Do you really think
>>>that you are qualified for the job? If not, who is?
>>
>>My understanding of the word "Scientist" is that qualification wise
>>one needs none. The main (clanger) our new "Chief Scientist" Professor
>>Ian Chubb gave was an immediate attack on "climate science deniers"
>>(Slogan Climate change Deniers has Nazi Holocaust implications)
>>http://goo.gl/ewQpe
>>This is suggesting to me he is speaking outside his field and is not
>>listening and has a closed mind and why Gillard appointed him
>>(political opinion not for science)
It is inevitable that the Chief Scientist will speak outside his
field. His job is to distill the best scientific advice he can obtain
on any scientific or science education topic and present it to the
government and the public. He has done so. You are entitled to believe
that your judgment on any issue is better than his but I don't think
that you can expect the government or the public to believe you.
Gordon Levi
>
>As for your 'unwritten' law that all articles need to provide a
>reference, I did. The Author and the publication. If you can not
>craft a search criteria with those data as a basis plus "a verbatim
>quote from the article", I am afraid you would be better served with a
>mop, rather than a computer system.
>
>The other of your unwritten laws that suggests all web sites pass
>W3C validation seems to be still ignored by the Labor Party. Mine
>validates after you had a hissy fit.
Thank you. I guessed that you had the talent to produce a valid web
site and needed a small amount of motivation. I don't think I would
have a similar success with the commercial web site authors that work
for any political party. However, if you convince the Liberal Party to
fix their site <http://tinyurl.com/3gmh599>, I will have a go at
reforming the Labor and the Greens sites.
>
>Hmmmmm. Do as I say, not as I do hey dimwit?
My sites validate too.
>
>
>> I don't believe that there are "many" that
>> are "unconvinced of AGW on a scientific basis" and are too cowardly to
>> speak up about their beliefs.
>
>His mate might be speaking on the subject.
If so then "Oy" would name him by quoting his public comments.
> You don't know do you? So
>you speculate on his/her 'cowardice'?
It's not a matter of cowardice. It's a matter of status. Anybody who
has the faintest hope of being appointed Chief Scientist would have a
powerful influence over the debate if (s)he endorsed the climate
conservative view. Why isn't there a single suitable candidate who is
willing to support your view? After all, most of them are fairly close
to retirement and have solid appointments. A Vice Chancellor or the
dean of a science faculty is unlikely to spoil their chance of
promotion.
>
>My, how very brave Miss Levi.
>
>Post your work contact details here:
>--------------------
>
>
>
>--------------------
>
>And we'll have a chat about the subject.
What is there to "chat" about that we can't cover in this newsgroup?
Petzl
<gor...@address.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>My understanding of the word "Scientist" is that qualification wise
>>>one needs none. The main (clanger) our new "Chief Scientist" Professor
>>>Ian Chubb gave was an immediate attack on "climate science deniers"
>>>(Slogan Climate change Deniers has Nazi Holocaust implications)
>>>http://goo.gl/ewQpe
>>>This is suggesting to me he is speaking outside his field and is not
>>>listening and has a closed mind and why Gillard appointed him
>>>(political opinion not for science)
>
>It is inevitable that the Chief Scientist will speak outside his
>field. His job is to distill the best scientific advice he can obtain
>on any scientific or science education topic and present it to the
>government and the public. He has done so. You are entitled to believe
>that your judgment on any issue is better than his but I don't think
>that you can expect the government or the public to believe you.
>
The clown is a Labor party sycophant. Well past retirement age suppose
the money is good even if the "science" is not
Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax
> <gor...@address.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Petzl<pet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> Bolt report with Lord Monckton
>>>>> http://ten.com.au/video.htm?movideo_p=44795&movideo_m=114847
>>>>
>>>> I'm currently in South Africa so I can't watch it. Who does Monckton
>>>> suggest as a candidate that meets "Oy"'s specifications?
>>>
>>> Any one who does not ridicule scientists who do not agree with
>>> unproven science, patricianly in "Climate change" without any
>>> checking, like our politically selected "Chief Scientist" demands.
>>
>> Presumably you meet _that_ selection criterion. Do you really think
>> that you are qualified for the job? If not, who is?
>
> My understanding of the word "Scientist" is that qualification wise
> one needs none. The main (clanger) our new "Chief Scientist" Professor
> Ian Chubb gave was an immediate attack on "climate science deniers"
> (Slogan Climate change Deniers has Nazi Holocaust implications)
> http://goo.gl/ewQpe
> This is suggesting to me he is speaking outside his field and is not
> listening and has a closed mind and why Gillard appointed him
> (political opinion not for science)
I would agree, except that the only real "on paper" standard which
exists for a scientist at the academic/ institutional level is the PhD.
That doesn't really mean anything other than the demonstrated ability to
have completed a single piece of sufficiently complex and extensive
research to get the bit of paper. It doesn't mean they're any goog; OTOH
they might be brilliant - either way, they have a PhD. But it's the only
"standard" there is, so we're stuck with that as the definition of
"qualified" for certain positions.
I do agree with the rest - Chubb has immediately shown his bias and
willingness to spruik the guvmint line, so comes across as a puppet
activist rather than an objective overseer. But what's new for this
guvmint? They corrupt every position they can, by injecting their own
party member into the job, then proclaiming, "See! The independent
experts say we're right!"
Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax
> Addinall<addi...@addinall.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> As for your 'unwritten' law that all articles need to provide a
>> reference, I did. The Author and the publication. If you can not
>> craft a search criteria with those data as a basis plus "a verbatim
>> quote from the article", I am afraid you would be better served with a
>> mop, rather than a computer system.
>>
>> The other of your unwritten laws that suggests all web sites pass
>> W3C validation seems to be still ignored by the Labor Party. Mine
>> validates after you had a hissy fit.
>
> Thank you. I guessed that you had the talent to produce a valid web
> site and needed a small amount of motivation. I don't think I would
> have a similar success with the commercial web site authors that work
> for any political party. However, if you convince the Liberal Party to
> fix their site<http://tinyurl.com/3gmh599>, I will have a go at
> reforming the Labor and the Greens sites.
>>
>> Hmmmmm. Do as I say, not as I do hey dimwit?
>
> My sites validate too.
>>
>>
>>> I don't believe that there are "many" that
>>> are "unconvinced of AGW on a scientific basis" and are too cowardly to
>>> speak up about their beliefs.
>>
>> His mate might be speaking on the subject.
>
> If so then "Oy" would name him by quoting his public comments.
responsible, enough to treat things said in confidence with the respect
it deserves. I wouldn't expect the leftard trash with the morals of
gutter rats to have any concept of that. But I did think _you_ might.
Perhaps I was wrong?
>> You don't know do you? So
>> you speculate on his/her 'cowardice'?
>
> It's not a matter of cowardice. It's a matter of status. Anybody who
> has the faintest hope of being appointed Chief Scientist would have a
> powerful influence over the debate if (s)he endorsed the climate
> conservative view. Why isn't there a single suitable candidate who is
> willing to support your view?
How do you know there isn't? None would even make it to the short list.
It's a government appointment and the guvmint is Labor. Say no more.
> After all, most of them are fairly close
> to retirement and have solid appointments. A Vice Chancellor or the
> dean of a science faculty is unlikely to spoil their chance of
> promotion.
I've known a few VCs personally in my time and all IIRC were looking
forward to retirement more than anything else, not promotion. So you've
just given another reason why some may not even be interested in the
position. Yet you say it's impossible for such potential candidates to
be out there. Do you use numerology to determine these "facts"? ... or
climate "science"?
>> My, how very brave Miss Levi.
>>
>> Post your work contact details here:
>> --------------------
>>
>>
>>
>> --------------------
>>
>> And we'll have a chat about the subject.
>
> What is there to "chat" about that we can't cover in this newsgroup?
Gordon Levi
>On 11/07/2011 1:54 AM, Gordon Levi wrote:
>> Addinall<addi...@addinall.net> wrote:
>>> His mate might be speaking on the subject.
>>
>> If so then "Oy" would name him by quoting his public comments.
>You've had this explained to you before. Some of us are capable, indeed
>responsible, enough to treat things said in confidence with the respect
>it deserves. I wouldn't expect the leftard trash with the morals of
>gutter rats to have any concept of that. But I did think _you_ might.
>Perhaps I was wrong?
I will repeat what I said previously. Posters should not publish names
here unless they have the express permission of the person named
or the post is based on the named person's public comments. Mark
Addinall speculated that your friend may have spoken out. I concluded
that he had not because you could, and probably should, spread the
word here by quoting his _public_ comments.
As an aside, I note that your anti-Labor comments are becoming
increasingly shrill. That is perfectly acceptable in this newsgroup
but may I suggest that you check with your significant other in case
the venom has spread to your home life.
>
>>> You don't know do you? So
>>> you speculate on his/her 'cowardice'?
>>
>> It's not a matter of cowardice. It's a matter of status. Anybody who
>> has the faintest hope of being appointed Chief Scientist would have a
>> powerful influence over the debate if (s)he endorsed the climate
>> conservative view. Why isn't there a single suitable candidate who is
>> willing to support your view?
>How do you know there isn't? None would even make it to the short list.
>It's a government appointment and the guvmint is Labor. Say no more.
>
>> After all, most of them are fairly close
>> to retirement and have solid appointments. A Vice Chancellor or the
>> dean of a science faculty is unlikely to spoil their chance of
>> promotion.
>I've known a few VCs personally in my time and all IIRC were looking
>forward to retirement more than anything else, not promotion. So you've
>just given another reason why some may not even be interested in the
>position. Yet you say it's impossible for such potential candidates to
>be out there.
So why haven't you been able to find even a retired scientist who has
the prerequisites to be appointed Chief Scientist that agrees with you
on AGW? Given the importance of the issue surely one of them would
have made their views public. I don't say that it is _impossible_ for
a potential candidate that agrees with your climate conservative
beliefs to be out there. I do say that it beggars belief that you
can't identify at least one of them if any exist.
Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax
> Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax<gillar...@promises.are.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 11/07/2011 1:54 AM, Gordon Levi wrote:
>>> Addinall<addi...@addinall.net> wrote:
>>>> His mate might be speaking on the subject.
>>>
>>> If so then "Oy" would name him by quoting his public comments.
>> You've had this explained to you before. Some of us are capable, indeed
>> responsible, enough to treat things said in confidence with the respect
>> it deserves. I wouldn't expect the leftard trash with the morals of
>> gutter rats to have any concept of that. But I did think _you_ might.
>> Perhaps I was wrong?
>
> I will repeat what I said previously. Posters should not publish names
> here unless they have the express permission of the person named
> or the post is based on the named person's public comments. Mark
> Addinall speculated that your friend may have spoken out. I concluded
> that he had not because you could, and probably should, spread the
> word here by quoting his _public_ comments.
Have you been on the mampoer again? How many times do I have to tell you
that there were no public comments made during a private conversation?
Why is that concept so elusive to you?
> As an aside, I note that your anti-Labor comments are becoming
> increasingly shrill. That is perfectly acceptable in this newsgroup
> but may I suggest that you check with your significant other in case
> the venom has spread to your home life.
Anyone can suggest anything. What eventuates will depend largely upon
how the suggestee regards the status of the suggester and their suggestion.
>>>> You don't know do you? So
>>>> you speculate on his/her 'cowardice'?
>>>
>>> It's not a matter of cowardice. It's a matter of status. Anybody who
>>> has the faintest hope of being appointed Chief Scientist would have a
>>> powerful influence over the debate if (s)he endorsed the climate
>>> conservative view. Why isn't there a single suitable candidate who is
>>> willing to support your view?
>> How do you know there isn't? None would even make it to the short list.
>> It's a government appointment and the guvmint is Labor. Say no more.
>>
>>> After all, most of them are fairly close
>>> to retirement and have solid appointments. A Vice Chancellor or the
>>> dean of a science faculty is unlikely to spoil their chance of
>>> promotion.
>> I've known a few VCs personally in my time and all IIRC were looking
>> forward to retirement more than anything else, not promotion. So you've
>> just given another reason why some may not even be interested in the
>> position. Yet you say it's impossible for such potential candidates to
>> be out there.
>
> So why haven't you been able to find even a retired scientist who has
> the prerequisites to be appointed Chief Scientist that agrees with you
> on AGW?
I haven't been out there actively looking. It's not what I'm paid to do.
> Given the importance of the issue surely one of them would
> have made their views public. I don't say that it is _impossible_ for
> a potential candidate that agrees with your climate conservative
> beliefs to be out there. I do say that it beggars belief that you
> can't identify at least one of them if any exist.
I can, but I'm not prepared to on this medium. HTH