Abbott a proven LIAR

[bringyagrogalong]

On Thursday Tony Abbott claimed Labor was trashing the Westminster
system by appointing a non-Labor Speaker.

It's since come to light that he offered the job to independent MP Rob
Oakeshott.

Is there nothing that grubby fithbag Abbott won't do to try and steal
the prime ministership?

---------

Tony Jones: "Have you met Archbishop Pell during the election
campaign?"

Tony Abbott: "Not that I can recall".
http://tinyurl.com/yerdjww

Mind you he did admit to being an habitual liar on national
television.
http://tinyurl.com/3ozqjuy

[D Martin]

"bringyagrogalong" <sof...@aapt.net.au> wrote in message
news:9064869f-f129-4d68...@l23g2000pro.googlegroups.com...

> On Thursday Tony Abbott claimed Labor was trashing the Westminster
> system by appointing a non-Labor Speaker.
>
> It's since come to light that he offered the job to independent MP Rob
> Oakeshott.
>
> Is there nothing that grubby fithbag Abbott won't do to try and steal
> the prime ministership?

Lies? Abbott is full of them:

Abbott: Ms Gillard forced Mr Jenkins to "walk the plank"
This is a complete fabrication by Abbott

Abbott had planned to be in the Lodge by now, who has been 'living on the
knife edge of anticipation'. But that has been shot to pieces
http://www.theage.com.au/national/slippery-slope-for-both-parties-20111125-1nzc6.html

[Spartan613]

"bringyagrogalong" <sof...@aapt.net.au> wrote in message
news:9064869f-f129-4d68...@l23g2000pro.googlegroups.com...

> On Thursday Tony Abbott claimed Labor was trashing the Westminster
> system by appointing a non-Labor Speaker.
>
> It's since come to light that he offered the job to independent MP Rob
> Oakeshott.
>
> Is there nothing that grubby fithbag Abbott won't do to try and steal
> the prime ministership?

Like staring down a camera lens and saying "There will be no carbon tax
under a government I lead"?

Something like that?


--
"Pain is nature's way of telling us to stop doing something".

Robert A. Heinlein.

[B J Foster]

On 26/11/2011 11:30 AM, D Martin wrote:
> "bringyagrogalong"<sof...@aapt.net.au> wrote in message
> news:9064869f-f129-4d68...@l23g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
>> On Thursday Tony Abbott claimed Labor was trashing the Westminster
>> system by appointing a non-Labor Speaker.
>>
>> It's since come to light that he offered the job to independent MP Rob
>> Oakeshott.
>>
>> Is there nothing that grubby fithbag Abbott won't do to try and steal
>> the prime ministership?
>
> Lies? Abbott is full of them:
>
> Abbott: Ms Gillard forced Mr Jenkins to "walk the plank"
> This is a complete fabrication by Abbott

You know this how?

>
> Abbott had planned to be in the Lodge by now, who has been 'living on the
> knife edge of anticipation'. But that has been shot to pieces
> http://www.theage.com.au/national/slippery-slope-for-both-parties-20111125-1nzc6.html
>

"Chief opposition whip Warren Entsch, ... about his erstwhile colleague
Peter Slipper. ''He's played the role of Judas,'' he said yesterday.
''He's accepted his 30 pieces of silver''".

http://www.theage.com.au/national/slippery-slope-for-both-parties-20111125-1nzc6.html

$65k pa to be precise. Is that all Jenkins was crying about?

"...a feeling that the move could blow back on Gillard".

http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2011/11/18/1226199/480501-rudd-and-slipper.jpg

ROTFL.

[Surfer]

On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 11:47:21 +1100, "Spartan613"
<nos...@buggeroff.com> wrote:

>"bringyagrogalong" <sof...@aapt.net.au> wrote in message
>news:9064869f-f129-4d68...@l23g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
>> On Thursday Tony Abbott claimed Labor was trashing the Westminster
>> system by appointing a non-Labor Speaker.
>>
>> It's since come to light that he offered the job to independent MP Rob
>> Oakeshott.
>>
>> Is there nothing that grubby fithbag Abbott won't do to try and steal
>> the prime ministership?
>
>Like staring down a camera lens and saying "There will be no carbon tax
>under a government I lead"?
>
>Something like that?
>

No. Because Gilliard was appointed serve a coalition government, not
lead a Labor government.

[D Martin]

"B J Foster" <bjfo...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote in message
news:jape3r$kdl$1...@bjf.motzarella.org...

> On 26/11/2011 11:30 AM, D Martin wrote:
>> "bringyagrogalong"<sof...@aapt.net.au> wrote in message
>> news:9064869f-f129-4d68...@l23g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Thursday Tony Abbott claimed Labor was trashing the Westminster
>>> system by appointing a non-Labor Speaker.
>>>
>>> It's since come to light that he offered the job to independent MP Rob
>>> Oakeshott.
>>>
>>> Is there nothing that grubby fithbag Abbott won't do to try and steal
>>> the prime ministership?
>>
>> Lies? Abbott is full of them:
>>
>> Abbott: Ms Gillard forced Mr Jenkins to "walk the plank"
>> This is a complete fabrication by Abbott
>
> You know this how?

In the absense of even a vague hint, let alone supporting evidence. No basis
for such a statement. Information to the contrary.

[D Martin]

"Spartan613" <nos...@buggeroff.com> wrote in message
news:yGWzq.6367$NR2...@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com...

> "bringyagrogalong" <sof...@aapt.net.au> wrote in message
> news:9064869f-f129-4d68...@l23g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
>> On Thursday Tony Abbott claimed Labor was trashing the Westminster
>> system by appointing a non-Labor Speaker.
>>
>> It's since come to light that he offered the job to independent MP Rob
>> Oakeshott.
>>
>> Is there nothing that grubby fithbag Abbott won't do to try and steal
>> the prime ministership?
>
> Like staring down a camera lens and saying "There will be no carbon tax
> under a government I lead"?
>
> Something like that?

Like Abbott staring down a camera and saying "(proposing the principles of a
carbon tax) "
Something like that?

[bringyagrogalong]

"D Martin" <nore...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> "bringyagrogalong" <sof...@aapt.net.au> wrote in message
>

> > On Thursday Tony Abbott claimed Labor was trashing the Westminster
> > system by appointing a non-Labor Speaker.
>
> > It's since come to light that he offered the job to independent MP Rob
> > Oakeshott.
>
> > Is there nothing that grubby fithbag Abbott won't do to try and steal
> > the prime ministership?
>
> Lies? Abbott is full of them:
>
> Abbott: Ms Gillard forced Mr Jenkins to "walk the plank"
> This is a complete fabrication by Abbott

His outrageous lies are well documented. He even admitted to being a
liar on national television.

Not only a liar but an ill-informed git as well.

The simian said, and I quote: "Under a Westminster system it is the
responsibility of the government to provide the Speaker of the
parliament and a government which cannot provide the Speaker should no
longer expect to remain in office".

The British House of Commons elects Speakers from non-governing
parties all the time.

Perhaps he's talking about another Westminster system. LOL

What a card-carrying dunce.

> Abbott had planned to be in the Lodge by now, who has been 'living on the

> knife edge of anticipation'. But that has been shot to pieces.
> http://www.theage.com.au/national/slippery-slope-for-both-parties-201...

He knew his only chance was to force an early election, hence his
whoring and wrecking, but now that Julia Gillard is assured of a full
term he knows he's dead.

It's only a matter of time before the power brokers in the Liberal
Party cut his swinging corpse down.

--------

"Mr Abbott’s looking forward to Christmas because he's hoping that
Santa brings him a policy"
- Anthony Albanese

[Trevor Wilson]

**Indeed. And THAT is when Gillard's real problems begin. Turnbull is a
likely contender. Sadly, for Gillard, Turnbull is intelligent, rational
and embraces some form of CO2 reduction.

--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

[B J Foster]

'Absence'

There is plenty of evidence.

Watch the video in full:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bboPKiaO7CY&feature=related

1. Watch Jenkins' cut-throat gesture
2. Watch how Slipper is manhandled into the Speaker's chair by two Labor
bouncers. As he turns to look back, one grips his arm and literally
forces him to continue to the chair.

Abbott is spot on - as usual.

[B J Foster]

In fact, watching that video again, someone with Peter Slipper's
personal interests at heart takes him to a safe place and verifies that
he's not under any sort of duress. I've seen mafioso enforcers operate
with more subtlety and tact.

The video is extraordinary. Every Australian should watch it, to
understand how the Australian(?) Labor party operates.

[Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax]

On 26/11/2011 12:07 PM, B J Foster wrote:
> On 26/11/2011 11:30 AM, D Martin wrote:
>> "bringyagrogalong"<sof...@aapt.net.au> wrote in message
>> news:9064869f-f129-4d68...@l23g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Thursday Tony Abbott claimed Labor was trashing the Westminster
>>> system by appointing a non-Labor Speaker.
>>>
>>> It's since come to light that he offered the job to independent MP Rob
>>> Oakeshott.
>>>
>>> Is there nothing that grubby fithbag Abbott won't do to try and steal
>>> the prime ministership?
>>
>> Lies? Abbott is full of them:
>>
>> Abbott: Ms Gillard forced Mr Jenkins to "walk the plank"
>> This is a complete fabrication by Abbott
>
> You know this how?
>
>>
>> Abbott had planned to be in the Lodge by now, who has been 'living on the
>> knife edge of anticipation'. But that has been shot to pieces
>> http://www.theage.com.au/national/slippery-slope-for-both-parties-20111125-1nzc6.html
>>
>>
>
> "Chief opposition whip Warren Entsch, ... about his erstwhile colleague
> Peter Slipper. ''He's played the role of Judas,'' he said yesterday.
> ''He's accepted his 30 pieces of silver''".

"30 pieces of silver"! Straight from Matthew 26:15! He must be a bible
basher too! ROTFL!


--
"If we cut emissions today, global temperatures are not likely to drop
for about a thousand years. "
-- Tim (it ain't a gonna rain no more) Flannery
- Australian Climate Commissar

[Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax]

Read the quote again.
"... under a government I lead."
NOT
"... under a Labor government I lead".

Does she lead the government or not? If no, then who is the current PM
of Australia?

What part of her blatant lie are you having difficulty in seeing?

[bringyagrogalong]

B J Foster <plagiarist...@yahoo.com.invalid> copied:
> D Martin wrote:
> > "B J Foster"<bjfos...@yahoo.com.invalid>  wrote in message

> >> D Martin wrote:
> >>> "bringyagrogalong"<sof...@aapt.net.au>   wrote in message
> >>>>

> >>>> On Thursday Tony Abbott claimed Labor was trashing the Westminster
> >>>> system by appointing a non-Labor Speaker.
>
> >>>> It's since come to light that he offered the job to independent MP Rob
> >>>> Oakeshott.
>
> >>>> Is there nothing that grubby fithbag Abbott won't do to try and steal
> >>>> the prime ministership?
>
> >>> Lies? Abbott is full of them:
>
> >>> Abbott: Ms Gillard forced Mr Jenkins to "walk the plank"
> >>> This is a complete fabrication by Abbott
>
> >> You know this how?
>
> > In the absense of even a vague hint, let alone supporting evidence. No basis
> > for such a statement. Information to the contrary.
>
> 'Absence'
>
> There is plenty of evidence.
>
> Watch the video in full:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bboPKiaO7CY&feature=related
>
> 1. Watch Jenkins' cut-throat gesture

That was directed at the rabble on the Opposition benches.

And he was smiling in anticipation.

He didn't have too long to wait, Slipper threw out four of the unruly
bastards in his first sitting.

> 2. Watch how Slipper is manhandled into the Speaker's chair by two Labor
> bouncers. As he turns to look back, one grips his arm and literally
> forces him to continue to the chair.

Foster is either pissed or lost the plot.

The so-called manhandling is a tradition when a new speaker is
elected.

And to think that great steaming pillock, Blow Job, has the vote. God
help us,

> Abbott is spot on - as usual.

Don't you mean on the spot? LOL

Abbott's fucked, and you know it.

------

Latest Newspoll:

"If I was the Liberal Party, I wouldn't necessarily be all that
confident about Tony Abbott's continuing leadership."
- Stephen Smith

[Swampfox]

Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax wrote:
> On 26/11/2011 12:07 PM, B J Foster wrote:
>> On 26/11/2011 11:30 AM, D Martin wrote:
>>> "bringyagrogalong"<sof...@aapt.net.au> wrote in message
>>> news:9064869f-f129-4d68...@l23g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
>>>> On Thursday Tony Abbott claimed Labor was trashing the Westminster
>>>> system by appointing a non-Labor Speaker.
>>>>
>>>> It's since come to light that he offered the job to independent MP
>>>> Rob Oakeshott.
>>>>
>>>> Is there nothing that grubby fithbag Abbott won't do to try and
>>>> steal the prime ministership?
>>>
>>> Lies? Abbott is full of them:
>>>
>>> Abbott: Ms Gillard forced Mr Jenkins to "walk the plank"
>>> This is a complete fabrication by Abbott
>>
>> You know this how?
>>
>>>
>>> Abbott had planned to be in the Lodge by now, who has been 'living
>>> on the knife edge of anticipation'. But that has been shot to pieces
>>> http://www.theage.com.au/national/slippery-slope-for-both-parties-20111125-1nzc6.html
>>>
>>>
>>
>> "Chief opposition whip Warren Entsch, ... about his erstwhile
>> colleague Peter Slipper. ''He's played the role of Judas,'' he said
>> yesterday. ''He's accepted his 30 pieces of silver''".
>
> "30 pieces of silver"! Straight from Matthew 26:15! He must be a bible
> basher too! ROTFL!

There's nothing more amusing than an indignant, self righteous Tory.
Peter Reith, one of the most deceitful and bent operators to ever grace the
political stage in Australia, yesterday called Slipper a rat.
Reith of all people, of phone card and Dubai scabs fame.
Liberals have no shame.

[Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax]

There's nothing more boring than the rantings of leftard fuckwit.

[Swampfox]

Fuck me, I almost forgot Reith's complicity in "kids overboard", probably
the most disgraceful episode in Australia's recent political history.
Of course he took the fall for Howard, jumped ship and took a well paid job
with a supplier who he'd been issuing contacts to.
And this arsehole has the front to question someone else's integrity!
He's lower than a tiger snake, and they crawl on their belly.

[Swampfox]

Sorry you're bored, I can't stop laughing.

[Day@gmail.com robert Day]

All politicians are liars? he is just not very competent

"D Martin" wrote in message
news:IrWzq.6366$NR2....@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com...

[Surfer]

On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 13:39:55 +1100, Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax
<gillar...@promises.are.invalid> wrote:


>
>Does she lead the government or not? If no, then who is the current PM of Australia?
>

Since the current government contains Greens and independents who
don't regard Julia Gilliard as their leader, her current role as PM is
to serve the government, not lead the government.

>
>What part of her blatant lie are you having difficulty in seeing?
>

I don't see that she has told any lie at all.

[D Martin]

"B J Foster" <bjfo...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote in message

news:japhpk$6gp$1...@bjf.motzarella.org...

> On 26/11/2011 12:26 PM, D Martin wrote:
>> "B J Foster"<bjfo...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:jape3r$kdl$1...@bjf.motzarella.org...
>>> On 26/11/2011 11:30 AM, D Martin wrote:
>>>> "bringyagrogalong"<sof...@aapt.net.au> wrote in message
>>>> news:9064869f-f129-4d68...@l23g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> On Thursday Tony Abbott claimed Labor was trashing the Westminster
>>>>> system by appointing a non-Labor Speaker.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's since come to light that he offered the job to independent MP Rob
>>>>> Oakeshott.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there nothing that grubby fithbag Abbott won't do to try and steal
>>>>> the prime ministership?
>>>>
>>>> Lies? Abbott is full of them:
>>>>
>>>> Abbott: Ms Gillard forced Mr Jenkins to "walk the plank"
>>>> This is a complete fabrication by Abbott
>>>
>>> You know this how?
>>
>> In the absense of even a vague hint, let alone supporting evidence. No
>> basis
>> for such a statement. Information to the contrary.
>>
>
> 'Absence'
>
> There is plenty of evidence.
>
> Watch the video in full:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bboPKiaO7CY&feature=related
>
> 1. Watch Jenkins' cut-throat gesture

this is evidence? of what? merely a sign that his time as speaker is over.

> 2. Watch how Slipper is manhandled into the Speaker's chair by two Labor
> bouncers. As he turns to look back, one grips his arm and literally forces
> him to continue to the chair.

Hahahaha
You are kidding, right? Or completely ignorant?
Dont tell my you dont know its a long standing tradition for the new speaker
to be escorted to the chair. The long standing tradition is to show 'token
reluctance'. Actually this dates back to the 1400 - 1500s when a number of
speakers were beheaded.
Manhandled by labor bouncers??? oh pahhhlease, enough of the stupid
theatrics

> Abbott is spot on - as usual.

Call this proof? You would need to be an idiot. Abbott is full of horse
manure as usual.

[D Martin]

"Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax" <gillar...@promises.are.invalid> wrote in
message news:japjh7$du5$1...@dont-email.me...

> On 26/11/2011 12:27 PM, Surfer wrote:
>> On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 11:47:21 +1100, "Spartan613"
>> <nos...@buggeroff.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "bringyagrogalong"<sof...@aapt.net.au> wrote in message
>>> news:9064869f-f129-4d68...@l23g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
>>>> On Thursday Tony Abbott claimed Labor was trashing the Westminster
>>>> system by appointing a non-Labor Speaker.
>>>>
>>>> It's since come to light that he offered the job to independent MP Rob
>>>> Oakeshott.
>>>>
>>>> Is there nothing that grubby fithbag Abbott won't do to try and steal
>>>> the prime ministership?
>>>
>>> Like staring down a camera lens and saying "There will be no carbon tax
>>> under a government I lead"?
>>>
>>> Something like that?
>>>
>> No. Because Gilliard was appointed serve a coalition government, not
>> lead a Labor government.
>>
>
> Read the quote again.
> "... under a government I lead."
> NOT
> "... under a Labor government I lead".
>
> Does she lead the government or not? If no, then who is the current PM of
> Australia?
>
> What part of her blatant lie are you having difficulty in seeing?

The overriding issue is that Gillard is leading a coalition, not a Labor
government in its own right- which was the context in which the statement
was made. It wouldnt have mattered who was leading the government in this
term- Gillard or Abbott- there would have been a carbon tax either way.
Simply a condition of the balance of power arrangements that either would
have to deal with.

'Blatant Lie' is baseless
.

[Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax]

On 26/11/2011 4:03 PM, Surfer wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 13:39:55 +1100, Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax
> <gillar...@promises.are.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>>
>> Does she lead the government or not? If no, then who is the current PM of Australia?
>>
> Since the current government contains Greens and independents who
> don't regard Julia Gilliard as their leader, her current role as PM is
> to serve the government, not lead the government.

That goes for every government in which more than one party holds a
seat. ie. every government in Australia's history. Which either makes
her statement totally meaningless or, as is the actual case, a
government of which she is the nominal PM, regardless of composition or
affiliations. No amount of apologetics or pedantics can detract from the
fact that she blatantly lied to the Australian people.

>
>>
>> What part of her blatant lie are you having difficulty in seeing?
>>
> I don't see that she has told any lie at all.

Those leftard blockout filters work amazingly well. I like their
chromatic reversal feature too, where black magically becomes white.

[Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax]

Bullshit. She made no reference to leading a clear Labor majority. Since
when did that occur?

> It wouldnt have mattered who was leading the government in this
> term- Gillard or Abbott- there would have been a carbon tax either way.

Nope. Abbott would not have buckled to the Greens, who never offer the
coalition support on anything anyway. You seem to forget the fortnight
of farting about, when the 3 stooges decided whether to support Abbott
or Gillied. Abbott never brought up bringing in a carbon tax as a
bargianing chip, just as he never suggested one pre-election.

> Simply a condition of the balance of power arrangements that either would
> have to deal with.

All apologetic pedantic bullshit. Gillied leads the government (unless
you believe somebody else is PM?) regardless of its composition, and no
amount of spin will change the FACT that she blatantly lied to the
Australian people.

BTW, you also conveniently forget that she always had the option of
saying to the GG that she could NOT lead the government without breaking
her solemn promise to the Australian people, and would therefore have to
decline. ;-)

> 'Blatant Lie' is baseless
Flagrant lie if you prefer. A lie is a lie is a lie.

[Clocky]

"B J Foster" <bjfo...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote in message

news:japhpk$6gp$1...@bjf.motzarella.org...

Hahahahahaha. You fucking self-decieving moron.

There is no evidence, and there won't be... as much as the Lieberals are
busy in trying to manufacture some out of nothing.

Abbott got shafted by another one of his own, and that says it all.

[Clocky]

"Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax" <gillar...@promises.are.invalid> wrote in

message news:japp4u$78p$1...@dont-email.me...

Abbott's show is all but over... and it's highly amusing as the Lieberal
rats are scurrying around looking leaderless and lost.

[Clocky]

"Trevor Wilson" <tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
news:9jauac...@mid.individual.net...

I would be happy to listen to anything that Turnbull has to say because,
unlike 99.9% of the Lieberal party and especially the Mad Monk, he does have
credibility, he doesn't have a wrecking ball mentality and is above all,
clever and willing to listen and contribute.

[Clocky]

"Surfer" <n...@spam.net> wrote in message
news:mar0d7hjh1i7leoqf...@4ax.com...

She hasn't. The Lieberals are so busy telling lies that they can no longer
pick the truth.

[Clocky]

"D Martin" <nor...@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
news:2i5Aq.6466$7r4....@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com...

But it serves those who can't think so well...

[Clocky]

"Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax" <gillar...@promises.are.invalid> wrote in

message news:jaqu9h$puc$1...@dont-email.me...

Why are you Lieberals so busy proclaiming Bob Brown is the PM and running
the country then? See the irony?

> BTW, you also conveniently forget that she always had the option of saying
> to the GG that she could NOT lead the government without breaking her
> solemn promise to the Australian people, and would therefore have to
> decline. ;-)
>
>> 'Blatant Lie' is baseless
> Flagrant lie if you prefer. A lie is a lie is a lie.

Taking in the context of when she said it, it wasn't a lie then and it isn't
a lie now.

If I were you I would be more concerned with Abbott's constant lying on the
current issues as his world crumbles around him.

[D Martin]

"Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax" <gillar...@promises.are.invalid> wrote in

message news:jaqu9h$puc$1...@dont-email.me...

Of course not. No leader makes statements in an election campaign on the
basis of being in a hypothetical coalition arrangement. Have you ever heard
any leader say 'if we win power in our own right, we will do x, but if we
win government relying on the assistance of independents, we will do y" ? Of
course not. Your comment is a nonsense.

>> It wouldnt have mattered who was leading the government in this
>> term- Gillard or Abbott- there would have been a carbon tax either way.
> Nope. Abbott would not have buckled to the Greens, who never offer the
> coalition support on anything anyway. You seem to forget the fortnight of
> farting about, when the 3 stooges decided whether to support Abbott or
> Gillied. Abbott never brought up bringing in a carbon tax as a bargianing
> chip, just as he never suggested one pre-election.

Dream on you deluded idiot. Abbott would have grabbed the chance with bells
on. After all, Abbott actually supports the principles of a carbon tax.
Abbott *did* suggest a carbon tax pre election. Well, a year or so before
the election.

>
>> Simply a condition of the balance of power arrangements that either would
>> have to deal with.
>
> All apologetic pedantic bullshit.

The reality.

> BTW, you also conveniently forget that she always had the option of saying
> to the GG that she could NOT lead the government without breaking her
> solemn promise to the Australian people, and would therefore have to
> decline. ;-)

You are dreaming.
An opportunity to form government, or force the country into a repeat of the
election?
Give me a break.

[Surfer]

On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 00:40:15 +1100, Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax

<gillar...@promises.are.invalid> wrote:

>On 26/11/2011 4:03 PM, Surfer wrote:
>> On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 13:39:55 +1100, Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax
>> <gillar...@promises.are.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Does she lead the government or not? If no, then who is the current PM of Australia?
>>>
>> Since the current government contains Greens and independents who
>> don't regard Julia Gilliard as their leader, her current role as PM is
>> to serve the government, not lead the government.
>
>That goes for every government in which more than one party holds a
>seat. ie. every government in Australia's history. Which either makes
>her statement totally meaningless or, as is the actual case, a
>government of which she is the nominal PM, regardless of composition or
>affiliations. No amount of apologetics or pedantics can detract from the
>fact that she blatantly lied to the Australian people.
>

Nonsense.

She made her promise not to introduce a carbon tax on behalf of the
Labor Party.

However election results required a coalition government to be formed.

Consequently the current government is not a Labor Party government so
is not bound by promises made on behalf of that party.

[Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax]

Really? Don't you think they've seen the polls? If they have, they would
be rather foolish to change a leader who has smashed Labor to it's most
unpopular status in history. Bloody leftist morons.

[Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax]

No. Haven't you heard of puppet guvmint rulers? You leftards are always
very quick to say that the USA are the ones _really_ running such and
such sovereign country. See the hypocrisy?

>> BTW, you also conveniently forget that she always had the option of saying
>> to the GG that she could NOT lead the government without breaking her
>> solemn promise to the Australian people, and would therefore have to
>> decline. ;-)
>>
>>> 'Blatant Lie' is baseless
>> Flagrant lie if you prefer. A lie is a lie is a lie.
>
> Taking in the context of when she said it, it wasn't a lie then and it isn't
> a lie now.

There was no hidden context. It was an unambiguous statement.
Does she hold the title of PM of Australia? If yes, then she leads the
present government.
Did she say she would NOT introduce a carbon tax under a government she
leads? If yes, then that was her promise to the Australian people.
Did she introduce a carbon tax? If yes, she is a blatant liar.

See how simple it is when you cull the apologist bullshit?

> If I were you I would be more concerned with Abbott's constant lying on the
> current issues as his world crumbles around him.

You also appear to be hallucinating and deluded. No surprises there.

[Swampfox]

On 26/11/2011 11:47 AM, Spartan613 wrote:
> "bringyagrogalong" <sof...@aapt.net.au> wrote in message
> news:9064869f-f129-4d68...@l23g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
>> On Thursday Tony Abbott claimed Labor was trashing the Westminster
>> system by appointing a non-Labor Speaker.
>>
>> It's since come to light that he offered the job to independent MP Rob
>> Oakeshott.
>>
>> Is there nothing that grubby fithbag Abbott won't do to try and steal
>> the prime ministership?
>
> Like staring down a camera lens and saying "There will be no carbon tax
> under a government I lead"?
>
> Something like that?

Maybe something like staring down a camera lens and saying that people
had thrown their children in the ocean and that "we don't want those
type of people in Australia"
Were you comfortable with Howard saying that, seeing as he shit on our
Navy in the process?

[Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax]

It clearly makes a nonsense of your apologetics, waffling about some
make up of government as meaning she doesn't /really/ lead the
government. If she holds the title of PM then she leads the government -
period!

>>> It wouldnt have mattered who was leading the government in this
>>> term- Gillard or Abbott- there would have been a carbon tax either way.
>> Nope. Abbott would not have buckled to the Greens, who never offer the
>> coalition support on anything anyway. You seem to forget the fortnight of
>> farting about, when the 3 stooges decided whether to support Abbott or
>> Gillied. Abbott never brought up bringing in a carbon tax as a bargianing
>> chip, just as he never suggested one pre-election.
>
> Dream on you deluded idiot. Abbott would have grabbed the chance with bells
> on.

Your projection carries no weight. Where is your evidence?

> After all, Abbott actually supports the principles of a carbon tax.
> Abbott *did* suggest a carbon tax pre election. Well, a year or so before
> the election.

He made no promises either way actually. So he /could/ have gone ahead
with one (which he wouldn't have) without lying to the Australian
people. No such option for Gillied however. She chose to flagrantly
break her major election promise. And why, only now, do the leftard
warmists suddenly forget their (deliberately misquoted) usual wail of
"Abbott said climate change is crap"?

>
>>
>>> Simply a condition of the balance of power arrangements that either would
>>> have to deal with.
>>
>> All apologetic pedantic bullshit.
>
> The reality.

Yes, the reality of leftard bullshit. A lie is a lie is a lie... no
matter how you spin, dance and squirm.

>> BTW, you also conveniently forget that she always had the option of saying
>> to the GG that she could NOT lead the government without breaking her
>> solemn promise to the Australian people, and would therefore have to
>> decline. ;-)
>
> You are dreaming.
> An opportunity to form government, or force the country into a repeat of the
> election?
> Give me a break.

So she chose to betray the Australian people instead of being
honourable. No surprises there. And in hindsight, the Australian people
would have welcomed going back to the polls, rather than ending up with
the current mess of the Greens and 3 stooges running the place (down).

[Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax]

On 27/11/2011 10:14 AM, Surfer wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 00:40:15 +1100, Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax
> <gillar...@promises.are.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 26/11/2011 4:03 PM, Surfer wrote:
>>> On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 13:39:55 +1100, Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax
>>> <gillar...@promises.are.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Does she lead the government or not? If no, then who is the current PM of Australia?
>>>>
>>> Since the current government contains Greens and independents who
>>> don't regard Julia Gilliard as their leader, her current role as PM is
>>> to serve the government, not lead the government.
>>
>> That goes for every government in which more than one party holds a
>> seat. ie. every government in Australia's history. Which either makes
>> her statement totally meaningless or, as is the actual case, a
>> government of which she is the nominal PM, regardless of composition or
>> affiliations. No amount of apologetics or pedantics can detract from the
>> fact that she blatantly lied to the Australian people.
>>
> Nonsense.
>
> She made her promise not to introduce a carbon tax on behalf of the
> Labor Party.

Exactly what part of "under a government I lead" are you having trouble
understanding?

> However election results required a coalition government to be formed.

No different from any other situation without a clear majority. And even
Labor weren't deluded enough to think that would be the result.

> Consequently the current government is not a Labor Party government so
> is not bound by promises made on behalf of that party.

Exactly the apologetic bullshit I've pointed out. Where did Gillied
*ever* restrict her policy promises by that obscure escape clause?

[Peter Webb]

"Swampfox" <noi...@whocares.com> wrote in message
news:jasja7$r70$1...@dont-email.me...

> On 26/11/2011 11:47 AM, Spartan613 wrote:
>> "bringyagrogalong" <sof...@aapt.net.au> wrote in message
>> news:9064869f-f129-4d68...@l23g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Thursday Tony Abbott claimed Labor was trashing the Westminster
>>> system by appointing a non-Labor Speaker.
>>>
>>> It's since come to light that he offered the job to independent MP Rob
>>> Oakeshott.
>>>
>>> Is there nothing that grubby fithbag Abbott won't do to try and steal
>>> the prime ministership?
>>
>> Like staring down a camera lens and saying "There will be no carbon tax
>> under a government I lead"?
>>
>> Something like that?
>
> Maybe something like staring down a camera lens and saying that people had
> thrown their children in the ocean and that "we don't want those type of
> people in Australia"

But Abbott didn't stare down a camera lens and say that.

> Were you comfortable with Howard saying that, seeing as he shit on our
> Navy in the process?
>

Ohh, you want to change the topic to an event that happened years ago, and
does not involve either of the people we are talking about?

Why is that, why do you always want to change the subject when the subject
of Gillard's honesty comes up?

[Swampfox]

The subject had been changed, the thread was about Abbott's honesty, or
lack of it, I merely expanded the discussion to include another
notorious Tory liar.
Why did anyone post anything about Gillard when the topic of the thread
had nothing to do with her?

[Peter Webb]

"Swampfox" <noi...@whocares.com> wrote in message

news:jasn25$a7g$1...@dont-email.me...

Who isn't in any way involved.

But I think you have unwittingly displayed your real motivation - you are
looking for a "Tory" to change the subject to,because this isn't about right
and wrong to you - its about what political party they belong to.

> Why did anyone post anything about Gillard when the topic of the thread
> had nothing to do with her?
>

I don't know. I didn't do it. But there is a relevancy - Gillard and Abbott
are both competitors for the job, and both are in Parliament and both have
to account to the electorate as to their honesty. Howard is not in any way
relevant; these are events of years ago and he has retired from politics. As
you pointed out, you picked Howard because of the party he is a member of,
not because he is anyway involved.

You seem to think that politics is like football. You support a team, and
barrack for them, as if the issues were as one dimensional as which party
somebody belongs to. Your views are very unsophisticated; they aren't based
on analysis, they are based in tribalism where your tribe is better than the
other tribe, and must be supported at all costs. That is why your idea of
discussing the issues is usually not discussing issues but rather changing
the subject to being an attack on individuals. The fact that the individual
has nothing at all to do with the matter being discussed doesn't seem to
phase you, presumably because with you it is never about the issues anyway.

[Swampfox]

No, there isn't.
The thread topic was about Tony Abbott and Tony Abbott only, Julia
Gillard is completely irrelevant.
So fuck off with your lecture.

<shit snipped>

[Surfer]

On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 17:19:21 +1100, Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax

<gillar...@promises.are.invalid> wrote:

>On 27/11/2011 10:14 AM, Surfer wrote:
>> On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 00:40:15 +1100, Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax
>> <gillar...@promises.are.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 26/11/2011 4:03 PM, Surfer wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 13:39:55 +1100, Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax
>>>> <gillar...@promises.are.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Does she lead the government or not? If no, then who is the current PM of Australia?
>>>>>
>>>> Since the current government contains Greens and independents who
>>>> don't regard Julia Gilliard as their leader, her current role as PM is
>>>> to serve the government, not lead the government.
>>>
>>> That goes for every government in which more than one party holds a
>>> seat. ie. every government in Australia's history. Which either makes
>>> her statement totally meaningless or, as is the actual case, a
>>> government of which she is the nominal PM, regardless of composition or
>>> affiliations. No amount of apologetics or pedantics can detract from the
>>> fact that she blatantly lied to the Australian people.
>>>
>> Nonsense.
>>
>> She made her promise not to introduce a carbon tax on behalf of the
>> Labor Party.
>
>Exactly what part of "under a government I lead" are you having trouble
>understanding?
>
>> However election results required a coalition government to be formed.
>
>No different from any other situation without a clear majority.
>

True. But to form a coalition government, the parties involved must
sacrifice some of their policies in order to arrive at a mutually
acceptable set. To do that they usually also have to sacrifice some
pre-election promises, which is the case here.

[Peter Webb]

"Surfer" <n...@spam.net> wrote in message

news:7pq3d75qgm7qq6g5o...@4ax.com...

So you are saying that she broke her promise in order to get the support of
Windsor and Oakeshott?

[B J Foster]

'Deceiving'

It's fascinating how the extreme left and the extreme right share the
same inability to spell, debate and do simple arithmetic. Oh, all of
these things need a brain - silly me.

>
> There is no evidence, and there won't be... as much as the Lieberals are
> busy in trying to manufacture some out of nothing.

Wot do you think he meant by the cut-throat gesture?

Watch the video in full:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bboPKiaO7CY&feature=related

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cutthroatgesture.JPG

"The 'Cutthroat' Gesture is performed by drawing the hand, or a finger
or two, across the throat. It represents slitting the throat with a
knife, and means that the gesturer or someone else is metaphorically
being killed".
http://taunting.askdefine.com/

So Jenkins is saying that the Liberals are being murdered by one of
their own, or *he* is being murdered by his own.

[D Martin]

"Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax" <gillar...@promises.are.invalid> wrote in

message news:jaskga$ke$1...@dont-email.me...

Yes, she leads the government. But its not the same government that the
campaign was based on. Its a different government so different priorities
apply. Not what anyone planned or wanted, but its the end result.

You only call it 'the current mess' because Abbott lost.
The current situation is as the Australian public voted. The 'greens and 3
stooges' were voted in. Thats democracy. Deal with it.

[Clocky]

"B J Foster" <bjfo...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote in message

news:jat2bb$r7d$1...@bjf.motzarella.org...

My quick fingers and quick wit. Something that will never trouble you.

> It's fascinating how the extreme left and the extreme right share the same
> inability to spell, debate and do simple arithmetic. Oh, all of these
> things need a brain - silly me.

That wear that dunce hat all too well, you far-right twonk.

>>
>> There is no evidence, and there won't be... as much as the Lieberals are
>> busy in trying to manufacture some out of nothing.
>
> Wot do you think he meant by the cut-throat gesture?
>
> Watch the video in full:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bboPKiaO7CY&feature=related
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cutthroatgesture.JPG
>
> "The 'Cutthroat' Gesture is performed by drawing the hand, or a finger

And a conspiracy theorist too... wow, you're the complete remedial package
aren't you...

[Clocky]

"Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax" <gillar...@promises.are.invalid> wrote in

message news:jas4rf$qr3$1...@dont-email.me...

Smashed? Doing what? Being a naysayer?

Even his own colleagues are getting tired of the same old "Duh, I'll just
oppose everything without providing any reason to vote for me" act.

He has been shown on multiple occasions to be unstately and slow-witted, and
is clearly not a person you can afford to have leading your country.

[Clocky]

"Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax" <gillar...@promises.are.invalid> wrote in

message news:jas629$12r$1...@dont-email.me...

No, and it's not even remotely relevant to the discussion.

>>> BTW, you also conveniently forget that she always had the option of
>>> saying
>>> to the GG that she could NOT lead the government without breaking her
>>> solemn promise to the Australian people, and would therefore have to
>>> decline. ;-)
>>>
>>>> 'Blatant Lie' is baseless
>>> Flagrant lie if you prefer. A lie is a lie is a lie.
>>
>> Taking in the context of when she said it, it wasn't a lie then and it
>> isn't
>> a lie now.
>
> There was no hidden context.

Right, and it wasn't a lie then and it isn't now. Glad we cleared that up.
The Lieberals like to take the comment out of it's proper context from
before the election and deceptingly place it in todays context of a PM
dealing with the realities of managing a hung parliament. It's grossly
unfair, misleading and deceptive... but that is the only game the Lieberals
and right wing retards like yourself can play.

[Clocky]

"Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax" <gillar...@promises.are.invalid> wrote in

message news:jaskga$ke$1...@dont-email.me...

Abbott offered his anus to the independants in order to snatch government
away from Gillard, how is that honourable you clown?

[Clocky]

"D Martin" <nor...@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message

news:%foAq.6503$7r4...@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com...

Oy and BJ have a problem with democracy and the presumption of innocence. No
surprise considering their far right fascist leanings.

[Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax]

We call them Collingwood supporters in Melbourne. :-)

[Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax]

But the choice always existed for Gillard to do the honourable thing,
particularly since the "no carbon tax" promise was what got her even
into contention to lead the government. She could have told the GG that
she can not lead the government under such demands, without betraying
the Australian people. She chose not to do so and broke her election
promise blatantly, not in any way in the interests of Australia, but for
her purely selfish grab for power.

Remember too that she promised NO carbon tax earlier? Then claimed a
carbon tax was the "right thing to do" and in the interests of
Australia. This must mean that her election promise was knowingly the
"wrong thing to do" and knowingly not in the interests of Australia.
Even if somebody is naive enough to fall for your apologetics for her
lie, they must agree that she was therefore already betraying
Australians with her election policies.

[Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax]

What a crock of leftard apologist wank. NOBODY can predict the
composition of government before an election. She either leads the
government or she doesn't. That she lied is a given. A lie is a lie is a

No. If you check my posts you'll find I was happy Abbott didn't inherit
the previous "poison chalice" mess left in KRudd's wake. But it would
still be a mess if Abbott led the government. Every bill is a bloody
backroom deal fiasco.

> The current situation is as the Australian public voted. The 'greens and 3
> stooges' were voted in. Thats democracy. Deal with it.

And as I've said before, it's a flaw in *our* system of democracy. As
evidenced by the mess that it's possible to create.

Still, none of this detracts from the fact that Gillard lied. Pure & simple.

[Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax]

Who knows? But whatever he's doing he's doing it well. Labor have never
been so on the nose according to the polls.

> Even his own colleagues are getting tired of the same old "Duh, I'll just
> oppose everything without providing any reason to vote for me" act.

His colleagues seem to think he's doing a stirling job. They celebrate
the polls as well you know.

> He has been shown on multiple occasions to be unstately and slow-witted, and
> is clearly not a person you can afford to have leading your country.

Even if I thought that, which I definitely don't, I would have no hope
stopping it, in light of the devastating numbers against me... according
to the polls.

[Spartan613]

"Swampfox" <noi...@whocares.com> wrote in message
news:jasja7$r70$1...@dont-email.me...

> On 26/11/2011 11:47 AM, Spartan613 wrote:
>> "bringyagrogalong" <sof...@aapt.net.au> wrote in message
>> news:9064869f-f129-4d68...@l23g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Thursday Tony Abbott claimed Labor was trashing the Westminster
>>> system by appointing a non-Labor Speaker.
>>>
>>> It's since come to light that he offered the job to independent MP Rob
>>> Oakeshott.
>>>
>>> Is there nothing that grubby fithbag Abbott won't do to try and steal
>>> the prime ministership?
>>
>> Like staring down a camera lens and saying "There will be no carbon tax
>> under a government I lead"?
>>
>> Something like that?
>
> Maybe something like staring down a camera lens and saying that people had
> thrown their children in the ocean

You're suggesting that their kids DIDN'T end up in the water?

(Fact: Kids ended up in the water and had to be rescued by the Navy).

Typical Leftard moron. What you don't understand, you spin.

If someone scuttles (that's a nautical term that means "take such action as
to make your own ship sink") their boat, with kids onboard,
where do you think the kids are going to end up? On Mars? Or in the water?

Kids were thrown overboard. They had to be, to save them from being dragged
down with their, scuttled, boat.

Fuckwit.

>and that "we don't want those type of people in Australia"

I agree. Any arsehole who scuttles their boat with kids on board deserves to
go down with their ship.

> Were you comfortable with Howard saying that, seeing as he shit on our
> Navy in the process?

The Navy was there. They knew what happened and how it was misreported by
the media and picked up by Reith.

Ask any sailor what he/she thinks of people who scuttle their boat with kids
on board.

--
"Pain is nature's way of telling us to stop doing something".

Robert A. Heinlein.


>
>

[Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax]

Yes. Firstly you brought Browntongue into the discussion, and now say
it's an irrelevance. Secondly, you've got a puppet guvmnt operating
right under your nose but don't even know it.

>>>> BTW, you also conveniently forget that she always had the option of
>>>> saying
>>>> to the GG that she could NOT lead the government without breaking her
>>>> solemn promise to the Australian people, and would therefore have to
>>>> decline. ;-)
>>>>
>>>>> 'Blatant Lie' is baseless
>>>> Flagrant lie if you prefer. A lie is a lie is a lie.
>>>
>>> Taking in the context of when she said it, it wasn't a lie then and it
>>> isn't
>>> a lie now.
>>
>> There was no hidden context.
>
> Right, and it wasn't a lie then and it isn't now.

Yes, a lie is a lie is a lie.

Glad we cleared that up.

> The Lieberals like to take the comment out of it's proper context from
> before the election and deceptingly place it in todays context of a PM
> dealing with the realities of managing a hung parliament.

Gillard is the nominal PM and leads the government. She introduced a
carbon tax. She lied to the Australian people to grab power. End of story.

It's grossly
> unfair, misleading and deceptive... but that is the only game the Lieberals
> and right wing retards like yourself can play.

The only grossly unfair, misleading and deceptive act is imposing a
rooled out carbon tax on the Australian people, even though it will be
binned in two years time.

[Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax]

It's part of the process in this hung parliament fiasco. But Abbott
stopped before offering his arse. Gillied gave her anus to Browntongue
and her snatch to the independents for a 3-way gang bang, in order to
snatch power. She's quite comfortable with that sort of thing.

[D Martin]

"Spartan613" <nos...@buggeroff.com> wrote in message
news:xvzAq.6440$NR2...@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com...

> "Swampfox" <noi...@whocares.com> wrote in message
> news:jasja7$r70$1...@dont-email.me...
>> On 26/11/2011 11:47 AM, Spartan613 wrote:
>>> "bringyagrogalong" <sof...@aapt.net.au> wrote in message
>>> news:9064869f-f129-4d68...@l23g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
>>>> On Thursday Tony Abbott claimed Labor was trashing the Westminster
>>>> system by appointing a non-Labor Speaker.
>>>>
>>>> It's since come to light that he offered the job to independent MP Rob
>>>> Oakeshott.
>>>>
>>>> Is there nothing that grubby fithbag Abbott won't do to try and steal
>>>> the prime ministership?
>>>
>>> Like staring down a camera lens and saying "There will be no carbon tax
>>> under a government I lead"?
>>>
>>> Something like that?
>>
>> Maybe something like staring down a camera lens and saying that people
>> had thrown their children in the ocean
>
> You're suggesting that their kids DIDN'T end up in the water?
>
> (Fact: Kids ended up in the water and had to be rescued by the Navy).
>
> Typical Leftard moron. What you don't understand, you spin.
>
> If someone scuttles (that's a nautical term that means "take such action
> as to make your own ship sink") their boat, with kids onboard,
> where do you think the kids are going to end up? On Mars? Or in the water?
>
> Kids were thrown overboard. They had to be, to save them from being
> dragged down with their, scuttled, boat.

Wrong.
Kids were not thrown overboard.
That was a bold faced lie fabricated and gleefully announced by Howard and
Reith. This was nothing more than a cynical ploy for votes. What makes it
worse is that the government know it was a lie as they were exploiting the
Tampa situation. Reports indicated that the strain of being towed caused the
boat to sink. But this didnt stop Howard from claiming the asylum seekers
sank the boat. Photos of children in the water were taken after the boat
sank.

> Fuckwit.

Nice, considering you have no clue.

>
> >and that "we don't want those type of people in Australia"
>
> I agree. Any arsehole who scuttles their boat with kids on board deserves
> to go down with their ship.

Which doesn't apply to the case being discussed. Apart from in the minds of
misguided fools like yourself.

A big problem with this whole episode is that Howard was attempting to
present himself as being tough on illegal immigration. But yet he never said
one word about illegal immigrants who came here from the US through our
international airports- who number far more than those who have come on
boats. Breathtaking hypocrisy.

[Swampfox]

Howard is slimy, Reith is in a class all of his own.
A truly objectionable human being.

[bringyagrogalong]

"Peter Webb" <r.peter.webb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Swampfox" <noi...@whocares.com> wrote in message

> > Spartan613 wrote:
> >> "bringyagrogalong" <sof...@aapt.net.au> wrote in message
> >>>

> >>> On Thursday Tony Abbott claimed Labor was trashing the Westminster
> >>> system by appointing a non-Labor Speaker.
>
> >>> It's since come to light that he offered the job to independent MP Rob
> >>> Oakeshott.
>
> >>> Is there nothing that grubby fithbag Abbott won't do to try and steal
> >>> the prime ministership?
>
> >> Like staring down a camera lens and saying "There will be no carbon tax
> >> under a government I lead"?
>
> >> Something like that?
>
> > Maybe something like staring down a camera lens and saying that people had
> > thrown their children in the ocean and that "we don't want those type of
> > people in Australia"
>
> But Abbott didn't stare down a camera lens and say that.
>
> > Were you comfortable with Howard saying that, seeing as he shit on our
> > Navy in the process?
>
> Ohh, you want to change the topic to an event that happened years ago, and
> does not involve either of the people we are talking about?
>
> Why is that, why do you always want to change the subject when the subject
> of Gillard's honesty comes up?

Actually the subject heading was "Abbott a proven LIAR".

The shamefaced and embarrassed people who changed the subject to take
the heat of Abbott were clowns like Spartan.

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"Mr Abbott’s looking forward to Christmas because he's hoping that
Santa brings him a policy"
- Anthony Albanese