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Cardinal Pell needs to be put in his place, quick smart!
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Gillard=Dudd in a frock.
Nov 13, 2012, 1:11:47 PM11/13/12
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"CARDINAL George Pell has moved to release abuse victims from any
confidentiality agreements signed with the Catholic Church in exchange
for compensation but is resolute that priests who have heard
pedophiles' confessions should not answer questions at the proposed
royal commission.".
News for you, Pell.
The royal Commission can force the priests to answer questions, or
send them to jail for failure to do so.
These priests who hear confessions of such filth (and other crimes as
well) and do not inform authorities should be charged as an accessory
after the fact, and face appropriate punishment for their disgraceful
cover up.
What makes Pell think that the Catholic Church is above the law?
Maybe he is a kiddie diddler as well?
--
Where were the same "shocked and horrified" protesters when Bob Ellis,
ALP member and speech writer for Bob "Do Nothing" Carr said this about
Duck's Bum after her father's death?
"She fled an important conference, and a meeting with Vladimir Putin,
because her father had died at 83, and fled home weeping to Adelaide.
Leaving a battlefield because of a dear one's death is not what she
lets our soldiers do. They must stay, and fight to the battle's end.
Yet she thinks she is different somehow. She is allowed her girly
tears and her time off, playing hookey from her national obligations,
her duty".
And what about this scurrilous tweet from Bowen's wife, Rebecca
Mifsud?
"Alan Jones age 71. Avergae (sic) lifespan for an Australian male age
79. Patience my pretties #auspol bahahaha"
confidentiality agreements signed with the Catholic Church in exchange
for compensation but is resolute that priests who have heard
pedophiles' confessions should not answer questions at the proposed
royal commission.".
News for you, Pell.
The royal Commission can force the priests to answer questions, or
send them to jail for failure to do so.
These priests who hear confessions of such filth (and other crimes as
well) and do not inform authorities should be charged as an accessory
after the fact, and face appropriate punishment for their disgraceful
cover up.
What makes Pell think that the Catholic Church is above the law?
Maybe he is a kiddie diddler as well?
--
Where were the same "shocked and horrified" protesters when Bob Ellis,
ALP member and speech writer for Bob "Do Nothing" Carr said this about
Duck's Bum after her father's death?
"She fled an important conference, and a meeting with Vladimir Putin,
because her father had died at 83, and fled home weeping to Adelaide.
Leaving a battlefield because of a dear one's death is not what she
lets our soldiers do. They must stay, and fight to the battle's end.
Yet she thinks she is different somehow. She is allowed her girly
tears and her time off, playing hookey from her national obligations,
her duty".
And what about this scurrilous tweet from Bowen's wife, Rebecca
Mifsud?
"Alan Jones age 71. Avergae (sic) lifespan for an Australian male age
79. Patience my pretties #auspol bahahaha"
DonH
Nov 13, 2012, 2:42:13 PM11/13/12
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Something to be said for that, as who'd confess fully if data could be
handed on?
But, while venal sins may be confidential, mortal sins could be excepted.
Long before ASIO, the Church kept dossiers on its flock, via the
Confessional - or we may assume so. Or, is the priest merely an agent of
the Almighty?
Why does the confessional box have bars between priest and parishioner?
Maybe to stop the cleric leaping on a nice, juicy, young girl (or boy).
Indeed, why was celibacy introduced? (Even if now defeating its
original purpose)
Incidentally, the RC Church is a wealthy institution - and wants to stay
that way.
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> "CARDINAL George Pell has moved to release abuse victims from any
> confidentiality agreements signed with the Catholic Church in exchange
> for compensation but is resolute that priests who have heard
> pedophiles' confessions should not answer questions at the proposed
> royal commission.".
>
> News for you, Pell.
>
> The royal Commission can force the priests to answer questions, or
> send them to jail for failure to do so.
>
> These priests who hear confessions of such filth (and other crimes as
> well) and do not inform authorities should be charged as an accessory
> after the fact, and face appropriate punishment for their disgraceful
> cover up.
>
> What makes Pell think that the Catholic Church is above the law?
>
> Maybe he is a kiddie diddler as well?
> --
>
# Ah yes, the Sanctity of the Confessional.
> confidentiality agreements signed with the Catholic Church in exchange
> for compensation but is resolute that priests who have heard
> pedophiles' confessions should not answer questions at the proposed
> royal commission.".
>
> News for you, Pell.
>
> The royal Commission can force the priests to answer questions, or
> send them to jail for failure to do so.
>
> These priests who hear confessions of such filth (and other crimes as
> well) and do not inform authorities should be charged as an accessory
> after the fact, and face appropriate punishment for their disgraceful
> cover up.
>
> What makes Pell think that the Catholic Church is above the law?
>
> Maybe he is a kiddie diddler as well?
> --
>
Something to be said for that, as who'd confess fully if data could be
handed on?
But, while venal sins may be confidential, mortal sins could be excepted.
Long before ASIO, the Church kept dossiers on its flock, via the
Confessional - or we may assume so. Or, is the priest merely an agent of
the Almighty?
Why does the confessional box have bars between priest and parishioner?
Maybe to stop the cleric leaping on a nice, juicy, young girl (or boy).
Indeed, why was celibacy introduced? (Even if now defeating its
original purpose)
Incidentally, the RC Church is a wealthy institution - and wants to stay
that way.
Gillard=Dudd in a frock.
Nov 13, 2012, 3:32:36 PM11/13/12
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On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 06:42:13 +1100, "DonH" <donlhu...@bigpond.com>
wrote:
Not being a follower of the Bible, or indeed of the hocus pocus called
"religion", but I was told that there is nothing in the Bible that
says priests should be celibate, so why does Catholicism practice
this?
HD?
> Incidentally, the RC Church is a wealthy institution - and wants to stay
>that way.
>
wrote:
"religion", but I was told that there is nothing in the Bible that
says priests should be celibate, so why does Catholicism practice
this?
HD?
> Incidentally, the RC Church is a wealthy institution - and wants to stay
>that way.
>
B J Foster
Nov 13, 2012, 3:34:20 PM11/13/12
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On 14/11/2012 5:11 AM, Gillard=Dudd in a frock. wrote:
> "CARDINAL George Pell has moved to release abuse victims from any
> confidentiality agreements signed with the Catholic Church in exchange
> for compensation but is resolute that priests who have heard
> pedophiles' confessions should not answer questions at the proposed
> royal commission.".
>
> News for you, Pell.
>
> The royal Commission can force the priests to answer questions, or
> send them to jail for failure to do so.
>
> These priests who hear confessions of such filth (and other crimes as
> well) and do not inform authorities should be charged as an accessory
> after the fact, and face appropriate punishment for their disgraceful
> cover up.
>
> What makes Pell think that the Catholic Church is above the law?
Forgive him, he is uneducated - from his perspective, the Catholic
> "CARDINAL George Pell has moved to release abuse victims from any
> confidentiality agreements signed with the Catholic Church in exchange
> for compensation but is resolute that priests who have heard
> pedophiles' confessions should not answer questions at the proposed
> royal commission.".
>
> News for you, Pell.
>
> The royal Commission can force the priests to answer questions, or
> send them to jail for failure to do so.
>
> These priests who hear confessions of such filth (and other crimes as
> well) and do not inform authorities should be charged as an accessory
> after the fact, and face appropriate punishment for their disgraceful
> cover up.
>
> What makes Pell think that the Catholic Church is above the law?
church is the law.
>
> Maybe he is a kiddie diddler as well?
>
--
"Labor has an obligation to stop extremists who threaten our democracy"
Tanner...
"When I joined the Labor Party people joined Labor to change the world.
Now they join Labor to run the world".
How much new law is there every year?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lePrBUHihKI
Barnaby Joyce...
"IF YOU DO NOT MANAGE DEBT, DEBT MANAGES YOU"
jg
Nov 13, 2012, 3:52:20 PM11/13/12
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On 14/11/2012 2:11 AM, Gillard=Dudd in a frock. wrote:
> "CARDINAL George Pell has moved to release abuse victims from any
> confidentiality agreements signed with the Catholic Church in exchange
> for compensation but is resolute that priests who have heard
> pedophiles' confessions should not answer questions at the proposed
> royal commission.".
>
> News for you, Pell.
>
> The royal Commission can force the priests to answer questions, or
> send them to jail for failure to do so.
>
It can try, and it would amount to persecution of the church. Torture
> "CARDINAL George Pell has moved to release abuse victims from any
> confidentiality agreements signed with the Catholic Church in exchange
> for compensation but is resolute that priests who have heard
> pedophiles' confessions should not answer questions at the proposed
> royal commission.".
>
> News for you, Pell.
>
> The royal Commission can force the priests to answer questions, or
> send them to jail for failure to do so.
>
has been another approach, but there's a certain amount of resolve among
people who dedicated their lives to the principles of catholic church.
Similarly it could be much easier to get evidence from victims assured
their 'eternal souls' weren't on the line.
> These priests who hear confessions of such filth (and other crimes as
> well) and do not inform authorities should be charged as an accessory
> after the fact, and face appropriate punishment for their disgraceful
> cover up.
>
> What makes Pell think that the Catholic Church is above the law?
>
> Maybe he is a kiddie diddler as well?
>
of confession'. If that holds no value, people will soon stop confessing
and in future you won't get your information anyway.
jg
Nov 13, 2012, 4:31:26 PM11/13/12
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service as well. FIFO workers and others away from home for extended
periods, if 'home' even contains some sort of partner.
Especially before contraception and daycare, as much to do with ability
to do the job as a badge of dedication. How do you make a 'vow of
poverty' and maintain a family?
malek
Nov 13, 2012, 5:55:07 PM11/13/12
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I am of the view this man is in denial mode and is disgusting.
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HD
Nov 13, 2012, 6:19:24 PM11/13/12
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Chapel.
The church is poor in money, rich in assets that can't be sold.
jg
Nov 13, 2012, 6:23:55 PM11/13/12
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On 14/11/2012 6:55 AM, malek wrote:
> I am of the view this man is in denial mode and is disgusting.
>
He has admitted there was/is abuse, there have been coverups and that
> I am of the view this man is in denial mode and is disgusting.
>
there are victims. Has suggested the catholic church isn't the only
place it happens.
If everybody knew the full deal there would not need to be a commission,
dunno what else you would expect from someone in his position.
In fact I don't see any others, like administrators of certain govt run
orphanages already proved to be homes of pedos, sticking up their hands
to be counted in.
Why are people so cruel
Nov 13, 2012, 8:05:58 PM11/13/12
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Orthodox art as well - there would be a large market for all of the
gold in most catholic churches, would make good printed circuit
boards.
Why are people so cruel
Nov 13, 2012, 8:12:21 PM11/13/12
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run homes/hostels, eg Dennis McKenna at Katanning. Paedophilia is an
overwhelmingly catholic problem - lay, priests and nuns, the cover ups are
95% catholic. Other organisations tend to abide by the law and report the
matter to the police, no cover up and no howls of protest at the way they
treated victims.
HD
Nov 13, 2012, 8:14:25 PM11/13/12
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jg
Nov 13, 2012, 8:36:43 PM11/13/12
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nominal catholic.
It would still be a problem of institutional abuse within an
organisation which isn't catholic.
Why was it covered up or ignored? Why did it take 30 years for
complaints to be heard?
Why are people so cruel
Nov 14, 2012, 1:47:21 AM11/14/12
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Then as a parishioner you should be really worried about paedophiles,
the principle of vicarious liability should apply to your employees -
maybe your house and super funds will be on the line to pay compo.
the principle of vicarious liability should apply to your employees -
maybe your house and super funds will be on the line to pay compo.
Why are people so cruel
Nov 14, 2012, 2:12:06 AM11/14/12
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Probably a range of issues as to why it was ignored or covered up.
Grooming of the victims is the main reason - the paedophiles get them
to believe its their fault, the power they have over their young victims
is incredible - I've read/heard of priests taking their victims to another
church and making them "confess" that it was their fault. Once they have
"confessed" its their fault its very difficult to then report the abuse.
Bear
in mind that the child has already been groomed to recruit other children
when they reach puberty and this is held over them when they realise
that this is not normal behaviour.
There is a book called "Rockspiders" written by a Vic police officer which
goes into a lot of details.
Grooming of the victims is the main reason - the paedophiles get them
to believe its their fault, the power they have over their young victims
is incredible - I've read/heard of priests taking their victims to another
church and making them "confess" that it was their fault. Once they have
"confessed" its their fault its very difficult to then report the abuse.
Bear
in mind that the child has already been groomed to recruit other children
when they reach puberty and this is held over them when they realise
that this is not normal behaviour.
There is a book called "Rockspiders" written by a Vic police officer which
goes into a lot of details.
HD
Nov 14, 2012, 2:36:50 AM11/14/12
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WTF are you on about?
Hardie's employes have to pay for the compensation of the company?
Hardie's employes have to pay for the compensation of the company?
HD
Nov 14, 2012, 2:40:35 AM11/14/12
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So Pell was right when he said that facts have to be separated from fiction
like the bullshit that you come up with.
like the bullshit that you come up with.
jg
Nov 14, 2012, 4:05:25 AM11/14/12
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those making complaints and doesn't explain why they so often say
complaints weren't heard in the past.
Whistleblowers were victimised (in govt departments too), no 'working
with children clearance, no talk of inquiries. As has been observed -
society didn't know what to do about it.
Complaints obviously are heard now. Pedo's might operate the same way,
but times have changed.
Why are people so cruel
Nov 14, 2012, 1:59:59 PM11/14/12
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Just follow some of the paper trails - amazing the number of "referees" in
job applications who are/were catholic priests.
job applications who are/were catholic priests.
DonH
Nov 14, 2012, 2:15:36 PM11/14/12
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Are they? Same with RC schools?
What does the title deed say?
Or is all such real estate the property of the Church, as such?
And the Church itself is run from the top, down?
The only concession to democracy being election of a Pope from among his
peers?
Why are people so cruel
Nov 14, 2012, 2:55:51 PM11/14/12
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Lookup "vicarious liability" before making a pratt of yourself.
jg
Nov 14, 2012, 3:12:00 PM11/14/12
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point are looking pretty remote.
Why are people so cruel
Nov 14, 2012, 3:33:59 PM11/14/12
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Heard but not acted upon. The abused were young children, often the
complaints were dismissed as vexatious - the priest would say that they
had disciplined the child and he/she was vengeful. When complaints
became too frequent to ignore the priest was moved on and the abused
told that the matter had been dealt with by the church - by moving the
offender on to offend elsewhere.
>>> Whistleblowers were victimised (in govt departments too), no 'working
>>> with children clearance, no talk of inquiries. As has been observed -
>>> society didn't know what to do about it.
>>>
We've always known what to do, there has been a lack of will by politicians
to do anything about it until a campaign is run.
>>> Complaints obviously are heard now. Pedo's might operate the same way,
>>> but times have changed.
>>>
Same story.
>>>
>> Just follow some of the paper trails - amazing the number of "referees"
>> in
>> job applications who are/were catholic priests.
>
>
> Catholic priests running govt departments? Chances of a response to my
> point are looking pretty remote.
When access is gained to personnel files, there will be plenty of examples
of
employees being recommended for jobs by catholic priests which put them
in positions coming into contact with children. Anyone who has a catholic
priest as a referee has to be sus and should be suspended until proven safe
to work around children.
>
>
>
complaints were dismissed as vexatious - the priest would say that they
had disciplined the child and he/she was vengeful. When complaints
became too frequent to ignore the priest was moved on and the abused
told that the matter had been dealt with by the church - by moving the
offender on to offend elsewhere.
>>> Whistleblowers were victimised (in govt departments too), no 'working
>>> with children clearance, no talk of inquiries. As has been observed -
>>> society didn't know what to do about it.
>>>
to do anything about it until a campaign is run.
>>> Complaints obviously are heard now. Pedo's might operate the same way,
>>> but times have changed.
>>>
>>>
>> Just follow some of the paper trails - amazing the number of "referees"
>> in
>> job applications who are/were catholic priests.
>
>
> Catholic priests running govt departments? Chances of a response to my
> point are looking pretty remote.
of
employees being recommended for jobs by catholic priests which put them
in positions coming into contact with children. Anyone who has a catholic
priest as a referee has to be sus and should be suspended until proven safe
to work around children.
>
>
>
jg
Nov 14, 2012, 4:00:30 PM11/14/12
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of it explains what has happened to change to what happens now.
>
>>>> Whistleblowers were victimised (in govt departments too), no 'working
>>>> with children clearance, no talk of inquiries. As has been observed -
>>>> society didn't know what to do about it.
>>>>
>
> We've always known what to do, there has been a lack of will by politicians
> to do anything about it until a campaign is run.
>
trusting authority or place punishment above an offender's otherwise
effective place in society.
>>>> Complaints obviously are heard now. Pedo's might operate the same way,
>>>> but times have changed.
>>>>
>
> Same story.
>
>>>>
>>> Just follow some of the paper trails - amazing the number of
>>> "referees" in
>>> job applications who are/were catholic priests.
>>
>>
>> Catholic priests running govt departments? Chances of a response to my
>> point are looking pretty remote.
>
>
> When access is gained to personnel files, there will be plenty of
> examples of
> employees being recommended for jobs by catholic priests which put them
> in positions coming into contact with children. Anyone who has a catholic
> priest as a referee has to be sus and should be suspended until proven safe
> to work around children.
HD
Nov 14, 2012, 6:51:36 PM11/14/12
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Why on earth is that amazing?
A priest has always been the most respected member of society.
A priest has always been the most respected member of society.
Why are people so cruel
Nov 14, 2012, 7:41:58 PM11/14/12
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You really believe that? I'd say lower on the scale than politicians
nowadays.
nowadays.
jg
Nov 14, 2012, 8:23:54 PM11/14/12
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so much faith in their employment references?
HD
Nov 14, 2012, 8:26:50 PM11/14/12
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Of course you would. But then, you are just a bigoted idiot.
HD
Nov 14, 2012, 8:33:17 PM11/14/12
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Doesn't apply to parishioners as a priest is not employed and receives no
wages.
wages.
HD
Nov 14, 2012, 8:39:59 PM11/14/12
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They are according to canon law.
Same with RC schools?
> What does the title deed say?
For a start, even the title deed on your land describes in what parish your
land is situated.
> Or is all such real estate the property of the Church, as such?
> And the Church itself is run from the top, down?
No. The clergy is, not the church.
Same with RC schools?
> What does the title deed say?
land is situated.
> Or is all such real estate the property of the Church, as such?
> And the Church itself is run from the top, down?
Why are people so cruel
Nov 14, 2012, 9:57:13 PM11/14/12
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I'm sure that the tax office may disagree that they are not paid, well in
most
instances someone who receives something "in kind" is taxed on that value.
No doubt there was some sweet heart deal done with a catholic treasurer
at some stage to allow priests to avoid paying their fair share of the tax
burden.
most
instances someone who receives something "in kind" is taxed on that value.
No doubt there was some sweet heart deal done with a catholic treasurer
at some stage to allow priests to avoid paying their fair share of the tax
burden.
Why are people so cruel
Nov 14, 2012, 9:59:58 PM11/14/12
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Who gives a rats arse about canon law - except those who hide
behind it to avoid being prosecuted for paedophilia.
Canon Law = three wise monkeys wearing mitres.
behind it to avoid being prosecuted for paedophilia.
Canon Law = three wise monkeys wearing mitres.
Why are people so cruel
Nov 14, 2012, 10:02:38 PM11/14/12
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If its true, it cant be bigoted. Therefore the person making the
accusation of bigotry must be bigoted - and worse still a catholic
bigot.
>
>
accusation of bigotry must be bigoted - and worse still a catholic
bigot.
>
>
HD
Nov 14, 2012, 11:28:00 PM11/14/12
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Very interesting.
According to this, a person making the accusation of child abuse must be an
abuser.
I always thought there was something strange about you.
According to this, a person making the accusation of child abuse must be an
abuser.
I always thought there was something strange about you.
HD
Nov 14, 2012, 11:31:27 PM11/14/12
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No priest or nun get paid any wages.
It shows that you now nothing.
It shows that you now nothing.
HD
Nov 14, 2012, 11:33:21 PM11/14/12
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Bigoted, childish and uneducated idiot
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