Greens and NCGC Call for Bans on Semi Auto Handguns...Again

[Chris Diesel]

Both the Greens and the National Coalition for Gun Control have again called
for a ban of semi-automatic handguns. No surprise there. It's also no
surprise that they decided to target law abiding and licenced firearm
owners, while totally ignored the fact that a ban of these firearms would
have little or no affect on the use of firearms by criminals and gangs.

Perhaps their energy should be directed towards illegal imports for the
black market? The NSW Premier Barry O'Farrell recently said while talking
about the seizure of black market guns, "It highlights how porous our
borders have been, just how easily criminals have been able to import guns
from overseas into this state and into this country and it's about time the
federal government acted,".."It shouldn't be the role of NSW Police to
engage in border protection to stop guns coming into NSW.".."This is a
federal responsibility."

Oh, that right, Samantha Lee isn't interested in illegal trafficking of guns
as she once said, "I think there's been too much concentration in Australia
by the Police Ministers on illegal trafficking." Samantha Lee, National
Coalition for Gun Control, 'Australia Talks Back', ABC, 23rd October 2002.

I guess it much easier to target legal firearms. This reminds me of that old
saying? "When you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns."

Regards..Chris

.......................

PM asked to join push against handguns

From: AAP, April 17, 2012 2:47PM

PRIME Minister Julia Gillard needs to step in and work with the states to
ban semi-automatic handguns in response to Sydney's plague of drive-by
shootings, a gun control group says.

The guns are the weapon of choice for criminals terrorising western Sydney
because they are lightweight and easy to handle, says Samantha Lee, chair of
the National Coalition for Gun Control.

"Sydney is drowning in drive-by shootings," she told reporters today.

"It is actually time for the prime minister to step in, like (former prime
minister) John Howard did in 2002 after the Monash shooting, and in 1996
after the Port Arthur massacre."

Five shootings were recorded overnight in western Sydney, four of which are
believed to be part of an ongoing turf war between the Hells Angels and
Nomads bikies.

There have been eight shootings in Sydney's west in just four days and 19 so
far this month.

"It is time for the prime minister to call on all the states and territories
to ban semi-automatics across Australia," Ms Lee said.............


http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/breaking-news/pm-asked-to-join-push-against-handguns/story-e6frf7jx-1226330262473


New figures confirm rampant handgun use in drive-by shootings

Media Release, April 17, 2012

New figures obtained by The Greens and the National Coalition for Gun
Control confirm that in 87 per cent of drive by shootings the weapon of
choice for criminals is a handgun. This highlights the failure of the NSW
Government to take any steps at all to control the rising number of handguns
in circulation in this State.

The Greens NSW Justice Spokesperson, David Shoebridge, said:

"Police records obtained by The Greens confirm that handguns have been used
in almost 90% of drive by shootings in Sydney and in almost every case the
handgun was a semi automatic pistol.

"It is no coincidence that this rise in drive by shootings with semi
automatic handguns is mirrored by an enormous increase in the number of
handguns in circulation in NSW.

"The number of registered handguns in NSW has exploded from 33,858 in 2005
to 42,127 in late 2011. That is a 24% increase in just 6 years.

"This Government needs to stare down the pro-gun lobby and reverse this
trend by banning private ownership of semi automatic handguns," Mr
Shoebridge said.....

http://davidshoebridge.org.au/2012/04/17/new-figures-confirm-rampant-handgun-use-in-drive-by-shootings/

[Chris Diesel]

> New figures confirm rampant handgun use in drive-by shootings
>
> Media Release, April 17, 2012
>
> New figures obtained by The Greens and the National Coalition for Gun
> Control confirm that in 87 per cent of drive by shootings the weapon of
> choice for criminals is a handgun. This highlights the failure of the NSW
> Government to take any steps at all to control the rising number of
> handguns
> in circulation in this State.
>
> The Greens NSW Justice Spokesperson, David Shoebridge, said:
>
> "Police records obtained by The Greens confirm that handguns have been
> used
> in almost 90% of drive by shootings in Sydney and in almost every case the
> handgun was a semi automatic pistol.
>
> "It is no coincidence that this rise in drive by shootings with semi
> automatic handguns is mirrored by an enormous increase in the number of
> handguns in circulation in NSW.
>
> "The number of registered handguns in NSW has exploded from 33,858 in 2005
> to 42,127 in late 2011. That is a 24% increase in just 6 years.
>
> "This Government needs to stare down the pro-gun lobby and reverse this
> trend by banning private ownership of semi automatic handguns," Mr
> Shoebridge said.....
>
> http://davidshoebridge.org.au/2012/04/17/new-figures-confirm-rampant-handgun-use-in-drive-by-shootings/

54 Responses to David Shoebridge's media release, "New figures confirm
rampant handgun use in drive-by shootings" and not one is in support in his
release. David was asked on many occasions to cite his claims. But while he
was good enough to responded to some comments, he's apparently decided to
remain silent on these other questions.

("Your "fact sheet" dosn't cite any sources, so it's about as good of a
reference as toilet paper. Can you reference the report(s) from the ACC that
you have used to source this article?")


Here are the first several comments. The rest can be seen at
http://davidshoebridge.org.au/2012/04/17/new-figures-confirm-rampant-handgun-use-in-drive-by-shootings/#comment-2572

But didn't think you can add your own comment now as David has closed
access. I guess he decided they were going his way? Perhaps he's barking up
the wrong political tree?


1.. Leigh April 17, 2012 at 2:28 pm #

So David, how many of those handguns used in crime were stolen from
registered private owners?

Lets see. your own figures show a growth rate of 1378 handguns per year.
Lets assume (for arguments sakes - i think its less) 75% are semi-automatic.
Thats about 1030 handguns. Police recently uncovered ONE criminal gang that
had imported at least 220 handguns illegally.. equivalent to 20% of the
increase in legally owned handguns.

One gang. There are dozens if not hundreds of gangs that could easily be
involved in similar operations.

You continue to target the 'soft target' of law abiding citizens who
register their handguns with the police.. because you can easily take them
away and look like your'e doing something, then get out and investigate and
arrest illegal importers of firearms and ammunition.

You dont bother to call for tougher storage requirements because allegedly
they are getting stolen hand over fist (if you believe the Greens or
Samantha Lee).. just take them away from the people that did nothing wrong
in the first place, because your own police are or soon will be too busy
trying to get a committee together to turn up to have a meeting to decide if
another dedicated team should be deployed to work out if we need to taser an
unruly thug.. and not solve real crimes.


2.. Clint April 17, 2012 at 2:46 pm #

Gun laws dont work as crims dont abide by them. How about you get some
facts from those concerned. Also if you ban me from using a semi automatic
can you reimburse me for loss of earnings and the Olympic gold medal that
I'm
chasing?


3.. Scott April 17, 2012 at 3:29 pm #

Once again The Green try and link illegal activities to legitimate handgun
ownership. I just used my semi-automatic handgun to win a national title
last week and represented NSW at a national level, and I guarantee my
handgun has never been used in a drive-by.

How many of these handguns used in these recent shooting are registered I
wonder? I'm betting none of them are. They are illegally imported guns,
illegally possessed by individuals who have no regard for the law, but The
Greens and NCGC continue their vendetta against law abiding gun owners


4.. Brendan April 17, 2012 at 3:32 pm #

Mr Shoebridge,

It appears as usual that you have chosen (For your own political agenda.)
to ignore the facts that it is not law abiding firearms owners committing
these shootings.

The fact that these people are committing a crime to steal a firearm (Or
import them illegally.) to use illegally in the commission of another crime
only supports the fact that these individuals are at least habitual, if not
career criminals.

It appears that you ignore the fact that a crime is committed to enter a
persons home and steal a firearm or to circumvent customs and importations
laws and illegally import firearms into Australia.

Your militant attitude to firearms and those who own them legally is as
pathetic as your lack of committment to imposing harsher penalties on those
who use or carry a firearm in the commission of any other crime.

Law abiding firearms owners want these shootings to stop as much as every
one else.

If you wish to stop crimes involving firearms - stop focussing on
inanimate objects & their legal owners and focus on criminals. Focus on
getting tough on organised crime, drug syndicates - make the commission of
these crimes and crimes involving firearms not worth the while of the
criminals involved in these activities.


5.. Lachlan April 17, 2012 at 3:48 pm #

So you're implying that licensed handgun owners are the ones perpetrating
these crimes and/or supplying weapons to criminals?
I've never seen a single piece of data that support this idea. Will you
please state how many registered (or once registered) firearms were used in
these crimes?

Why haven't you also included the number of handguns imported illegally
into this country, and whether these have been found to be involved in
crime?

I would recommend you back up your arguments with the statistics/data that
matters most. Or look at this issue scientifically and draw conclusions from
the data, not selectively use data to 'support' your ideas.


6.. Ants April 17, 2012 at 3:49 pm #

Stop accusing Licenced shooters of being criminals. Because if we were we
could not possibly obtain a licence. Get tough on criminals, not Law-abiding
citizens


7.. Todd Hammond April 17, 2012 at 4:02 pm #

What a silly knee jerk reaction - even Blind Freddy knows these criminal
gangs in western Sydney are getting the high majority of their firearms by
illegal importation.

Instead of further impacting on law abiding citizens, why don't you take
action to help tighten up our borders & our postal service and stem the flow
of illegal weapons from overseas ??

The facts below speak for themselves on how criminals are arming
themselves in the ongoing drug wars in Sydney.

http://www.news.com.au/national/drive-by-shooting-led-to-pistols-in-the-post-inside-sydneys-suburban-arms-trade/story-e6frfkvr-1226298980155

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/breaking-news/assault-rifles-and-20000-bullets-seized/story-e6freonf-1226325929689

Reply a.. David April 17, 2012 at 4:50 pm #

Todd, I don't know where you get your facts about the source of illegal
guns, but, as the fact sheet on this page shows, I use sources like the
Australian Crime Commission and Professor Philip Alpers. They confirm, as
with prior studies, that the major source of criminals' guns is from
leakage, through actual or staged robberies, from the legal gun market.
Therefore restrict the numbers of guns in the legal market and you will dry
up the prime source of weapons for drive by shootings. These facts are
unpalatable to the gun lobby, but they are facts nevertheless.

Reply a.. Anders April 17, 2012 at 6:21 pm #

Your "fact sheet" dosn't cite any sources, so it's about as good of a
reference as toilet paper.

Can you reference the report(s) from the ACC that you have used to source
this article?

Reply b.. Bob April 17, 2012 at 8:09 pm #

Obviously any imports aren't going to show up on stats, as Customs and
Aus Post scanning appears to be absolutely useless!

If we have a firearm stolen, we are required by law to report it to
police instantly. Just this fact alone instantly skews the figures higher in
favour of stolen firearms.

Look at how long the Sylvania Park import ring went on. How many more
post offices around the country could be doing the same thing? How many more
people around the country could be importing parts in small batches from the
states?

Law Abiding Firearm Owners don't commit crime. We are all well aware
that as soon as we do, our licences are void and the penalties are larger
for us than for an unlicenced shooter.

Reply c.. M, Dennis April 17, 2012 at 8:20 pm #

(Quote David, April 17, 2012 at 4:50 pm )

"Therefore restrict the numbers of guns in the legal market and you
will dry up the prime source of weapons for drive by shootings."

(end quote)

This is really the most narrow minded logic anyone could come up with.

Why aren't criminals being punished more for stealing firearms from
people who own them lawfully?

Why isn't it a mandatory 15 years minimum jail term for firearms
theft/sale and unlawful possession or use?

Why isn't there more focus on illegal importation of firearms?

Why aren't more policing hours and man power being devoted to firearms
crimes?

Why can't the above questions be addressed, rather than taking the
pointless and overly drastic avenue that was suggested in the above quote?

The good men and woman of the shooting sports are sick and tired of
being treated as the cause of these crimes. Why should something that we
love be taken from us due to the actions of others?

I am a conservationist and I'm committed to the protection and
preservation of Australia's natural environment, both in my work and in my
spare time. I also enjoy target shooting and marksmanship sports. I feel
that the Greens need to focus on what matters by employing common sense
rather than attacking a legitimate sport and making good peoples lives
miserable.

Until the greens can focus on what matters and begin using sensible
logic, they will unfortunately continue to be my last preference on the
ballot paper.

Regards,
M, Dennis.

[Gordon Levi]

"Chris Diesel" <die...@no.real.address.com.au> wrote:

>Both the Greens and the National Coalition for Gun Control have again called
>for a ban of semi-automatic handguns. No surprise there. It's also no
>surprise that they decided to target law abiding and licenced firearm
>owners, while totally ignored the fact that a ban of these firearms would
>have little or no affect on the use of firearms by criminals and gangs.
>
>Perhaps their energy should be directed towards illegal imports for the
>black market? The NSW Premier Barry O'Farrell recently said while talking
>about the seizure of black market guns, "It highlights how porous our
>borders have been, just how easily criminals have been able to import guns
>from overseas into this state and into this country and it's about time the
>federal government acted,".."It shouldn't be the role of NSW Police to
>engage in border protection to stop guns coming into NSW.".."This is a
>federal responsibility."
>
>Oh, that right, Samantha Lee isn't interested in illegal trafficking of guns
>as she once said, "I think there's been too much concentration in Australia
>by the Police Ministers on illegal trafficking." Samantha Lee, National
>Coalition for Gun Control, 'Australia Talks Back', ABC, 23rd October 2002.
>
>I guess it much easier to target legal firearms. This reminds me of that old
>saying? "When you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns."
>
>Regards..Chris

This is entirely consistent with the law enforcement that is an
unfortunate consequence of large city populations. It has become
necessary to use rules that are easy to police. Instead of punishing
dangerous drivers we punish people who exceed an arbitrary speed limit
or a blood alcohol count. Similarly, it is much easier to police gun
ownership than gun crimes. It is unlikely that the police could have
prosecuted all the criminals who might have bought these AR-15s if
they were legal
<http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-04-13/police-seize-illegal-guns-during-raid/3948070>.
If the guns had been sold it would be easier to prosecute a criminal
for possessing an AR15 than for any crime they committed using the
weapon. I believe that even the most ardent gun advocates would agree
that poses sing some guns should be illegal so it is a matter of where
to draw the line. Why do you think that semi-automatic handguns should
not be banned?

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

>Gordon Levi <gor...@address.invalid> wrote in talk.politics.guns :

> Instead of punishing
>dangerous drivers we punish people who exceed an arbitrary speed limit
>or a blood alcohol count. Similarly, it is much easier to police gun
>ownership than gun crimes.

Huh?

In your first example, speeders and drunks ARE dangerous drivers. We
do NOT control alcohol or fast cars other than to keep them out of the
hands of minors. When a speeder is arrested, a dangerous driver is
arrested. It's the same thing.

In the first example you're punishing AFTER the fact; in the second
you're trying to "control" the crime before it happens. I also note
that you went from "punishing" to "policing."

Why is it harder to punish gun crimes?

[keithr]

On 19/04/2012 9:14 PM, Chris Diesel wrote:
>> New figures confirm rampant handgun use in drive-by shootings
>>
>> Media Release, April 17, 2012

Roughly 10 guns a week stolen in NSW over the last 2 years. That would
mean one of two things, either there are gun owners not doing the right
thing, or the current storage regulations are not good enough.

From Sunday Telegraph April 15

THOUSANDS of firearms - from handguns to military-grade assault rifles -
remain in the hands of criminals after being stolen in the past decade.

The Police Force has revealed 6896 guns have been stolen since 2000,
including 54 firearms nicked from NSW households in the first three
months of this year.

Police have conceded the firearms were reported stolen by their
registered owners and despite investigations, have subsequently not been
recovered.

At the same time, police have recovered dozens of firearms, including
about 30 through gun taskforce operation Spartan in Sydney's southwest
alone.

It includes a gun recovered during an operation on January 11, which had
been reported missing from a business in Sydney's west in June 2002 and
a lever action rifle was found in Bankstown, which had been stolen from
a home in September last year.

The biggest break for police came when they seized a Glock pistol from a
shooting in January, which led to the unravelling of an alleged
gun-running syndicate.

The group, which has now been broken up, had allegedly been importing
handguns - up to 220 in total - from Germany.

Unfortunately for authorities, all but one continues to circulate in the
criminal underworld.

According to the newly released figures, there were 674 guns reported
stolen last year, while in 2010 police recorded 530 firearms as going
missing.

Once the guns are stolen, they are usually on-sold to other criminals
and, depending on their make and capability, sell for amounts exceeding
$20,000.

The Sunday Telegraph can reveal that among the guns in circulation are
two weapons in particular.

Both firearms have been used in 14 separate shooting attacks, including
drive-by shootings and even an attempted murder.

One of the weapons was used seven times between 2003 and 2006.

They are listed as "most wanted firearms" by police.

[Gordon Levi]

Klaus Schadenfreude <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>>Gordon Levi <gor...@address.invalid> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>
>> Instead of punishing
>>dangerous drivers we punish people who exceed an arbitrary speed limit
>>or a blood alcohol count. Similarly, it is much easier to police gun
>>ownership than gun crimes.
>
>
>Huh?
>
>In your first example, speeders and drunks ARE dangerous drivers. We
>do NOT control alcohol or fast cars other than to keep them out of the
>hands of minors. When a speeder is arrested, a dangerous driver is
>arrested. It's the same thing.

It beggars belief that the actual car and the actual driver does not
make a difference to the danger that is posed. Don't you think that
someone who is a qualified advanced driving instructor and is driving
a late model car is safer, at a specified speed, than an eighty year
old with dementia driving a thirty year old car? A speed camera treats
them equally because a speed camera cannot measure "danger".

>
>In the first example you're punishing AFTER the fact; in the second
>you're trying to "control" the crime before it happens. I also note
>that you went from "punishing" to "policing."
>
>Why is it harder to punish gun crimes?

My point was that we have substituted something that is easily
measured and, consequently, more easily policed for the actual event
that we wish to protect ourselves from. Nobody really cares about
people _possessing_ a gun. However it is easier to protect ourselves
from the careless or criminal use of a gun by making possession
illegal.

[Chris Diesel]

"Gordon Levi" <gor...@address.invalid> wrote in message
news:gsf0p7tieoei79ska...@4ax.com...

Yes, we should punish people who have broken the law. But we shouldn't
punish those who have not. If a person wishes to participate in and shooting
sport and they have passed the required criminal history check that is
needed to obtain a firearms licence, then they should have the right to do
so. Banning certain types of weapons will not stop criminals from accessing
them via illegally imported weapons for the black market and we have seen
this time and time again. The UK is a good example of this, as their handgun
ban did not stop the use of handguns in crime. In fact, the rate of handgun
crime had nearly doubled 10 years after their ban came into place.

[Chris Diesel]

"keithr" <kei...@nowhere.com.au> wrote in message
news:jmqj28$jhb$1...@speranza.aioe.org...

> On 19/04/2012 9:14 PM, Chris Diesel wrote:
>>> New figures confirm rampant handgun use in drive-by shootings
>>>
>>> Media Release, April 17, 2012
>
> Roughly 10 guns a week stolen in NSW over the last 2 years. That would
> mean one of two things, either there are gun owners not doing the right
> thing, or the current storage regulations are not good enough.

Here's an interesting post placed on Davis Shoebridge's website in reponce
to his recent comments on handguns. Naturally, this comment was left
unanswered, as were many others that asked similar questions. In fact
Shoebridge got such a caning he closed the comments section down. Of all the
posts, not one was in support of his views. Oh yes, unlike Shoebridge, this
person supplied his source.

http://davidshoebridge.org.au/2012/04/17/new-figures-confirm-rampant-handgun-use-in-drive-by-shootings/#comment-2572

Mr Shoebridge
I would like to ask what reputable sources you refer to in your comment.
Also I would ask as to the source of the Facts presented on your attached
fact sheet, as they are unattributed.

And whilst the facts presented are quite liberal in their use of statistics
that appear to be derived from findings made by the Australian Institue of
Criminology as well as the Australian Crime Commission they omit several
others which I feel are of great relevance to this debate. These are as
follows;

"The Australian Institute of Criminology's
Firearm Theft in Australia 2006-07 publication
estimates around 1500 firearms are stolen each
year, with relatively few of these recovered.

The same research indicates that hand guns are
the least type of firearms stolen."

Australian Crime Commission
CRIME PROFILE SERIES - ILLICIT FIREARMS April 2011

"Handgun theft has made up less than 10 percent of all reported firearms in
any given year....Very few stolen firearms are known to have been used to
commit a subsequent criminal event (or found in the possession of persons
charged with other serious offences eg supply of a prohibited drug) but the
fate of the rest has been largely unknown."

Australian Institute of Criminology 2011
Firearm theft in Australia 2008-09

So using the data from these reports NSW had in 2008-2009 - 592 thefts of
licensed Firearms. Hand gun thefts accounted for a total of 43.

43 hand gun thefts out of a pool of some 42,000 (your figure not mine) gives
me a percentage of .1% of registered firearms that have potentially made
their way into the hands of criminals.

When you compare this number to the estimated 220 Glock pistols illegally
imported by just one criminal enterprise operating in Sydney it starts to
put things into a better perspective as to something that whilst not
adequately researched must be considered a, if not the, significant source
of illegal firearms.

[Gordon Levi]

[John-Melb]

On Apr 20, 12:53 pm, keithr <kei...@nowhere.com.au> wrote:
> On 19/04/2012 9:14 PM, Chris Diesel wrote:
>
> >> New figures confirm rampant handgun use in drive-by shootings
>
> >> Media Release, April 17, 2012
>
> Roughly 10 guns a week stolen in NSW over the last 2 years. That would
> mean one of two things, either there are gun owners not doing the right
> thing, or the current storage regulations are not good enough.

So, according to Keefy, criminals stealing things mean one of two
things
a. we need tougher laws; or
b. it's all the fault of law abiding gun owners.

Sorry, but how surprising!

[keithr]

So, what conclusion do you draw from the fact that 10 guns a week go
missing from the custody of legal gun owners.

[Scout]

"keithr" <kei...@nowhere.com.au> wrote in message

news:jmu4dl$poc$1...@speranza.aioe.org...

There are too many criminals?

Na, that would make too much sense.

[John-Melb]

On Apr 21, 9:07 pm, keithr <kei...@nowhere.com.au> wrote:

> So, what conclusion do you draw from the fact that 10 guns a week go
> missing from the custody of legal gun owners.

Too many criminals.

Much criminality is run like a business.

If a drug dealer makes $20,000 dollars a month selling drugs, and
sells drugs for six months before getting caught and being sentenced
to six months, he's still made $120,000 dollars tax free for the year.

How about this

A prohibited personal caught in illegal possession of a firearm -
twenty five years, for each and every firearm.

A prohibited person caught in illegal possession of ammunition - two
years for each and every round of ammunition.

A prohibited person discharging a firearm illegally in a public place
- life imprisonment, papers marked "never to be released"

Illegally and knowingly providing another person with a firearm for an
unlawful purpose - life imprisonment, papers marked "never to be
released".

All sentences must be served cumulatively with any other sentence
handed down, no non-parole period to be granted.

See how quickly your drive-bys stop.

[keithr]

Plenty of job security for you.

> See how quickly your drive-bys stop.

Logically such a regime would deter people, but I'm sure that you have
noticed in your daily work that crims aren't the most logical of people,
and that those who do drive by shooting aren't exactly the pick of the
bunch even amongst crims.

[Chris Diesel]

"keithr" <kei...@nowhere.com.au> wrote in message
news:jmu4dl$poc$1...@speranza.aioe.org...

As posted on Shorbridges website;

[Chris Diesel]

"keithr" <kei...@nowhere.com.au> wrote in message
news:jmu4dl$poc$1...@speranza.aioe.org...

My conclusion, the number of stolen firearms in NSW are on a downward trend.

The number of legally owned (registered) firearms in NSW has continued to
increase, while the number of firearms stolen each year in NSW has undergone
a downwards trend over time (Figure 1).
These figures do not support the view that increased numbers of legally
owned guns are associated with more guns being stolen.

Although the numbers fluctuate from year to year, firearms theft in NSW has
been slowly decreasing since 2001 (Table 1).

http://www.ic-wish.org/WiSH%20Fact%20sheet%20Trends%20in%20firearms%20theft%20in%20NSW.pdf

[Spartan613]

"keithr" <kei...@nowhere.com.au> wrote in message
news:jmu4dl$poc$1...@speranza.aioe.org...

That we need to put locks on crims, not guns.

--
"There is no worse tyranny than to force a man to pay for what he does not
want merely because you think it would be good for him".

Robert A. Heinlein.

[Spartan613]

"keithr" <kei...@nowhere.com.au> wrote in message

news:jn02vb$6ec$1...@speranza.aioe.org...

So shrug and let them get on with it.

*That's* your solution? (Other than blaming the victims... people whose guns
have been stolen).