Commie leftie brainwashing of our kids
jim
dechucka
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I assume from the link that this article is 34 years old, try and keep up
Gregory Toomey
Shhh. Don't tell him the Vietnam War is over.
gtoomey
jim
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want me to explain it a bit slower so you understand
~Sir Mike Hunt Hertz111esq~
conservatives their grand plan globelisation one government one banking
system !
Just as Joh has stood over and destroyed successive leaders of the
Queensland Liberals he has harassed and tarnished every Federal leader of
the Liberal Party from Gorton to Howard
dechucka
so it has taken you 34 years to discover this grand plan WOW try and keep up
ps for your info Germany will invade Russia in WW2
>
>
Carole
The way I see it Jim, is that communism and capitalism are two antagonistic
forces which work together to break down the fabric of society. This in turn
makes it easy for the elite to create the new world order out of the chaos.
The role of education isn't to teach kids so much as to socialise them and
get them compliant and dumbed down to go along with the system.
Stan Pierce
It came out of American text books. This was Gramsci's Grand Plan to get
at the Teachers Unions to spread communism through the schools. It worked.
All the western world read the same American text books. They were printed
on better paper than the English books and the presentation was excellent.
The communists of course banned western books as 'reactionary'.
dechucka
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>> The "Grand Plan" was hatched then by the commies to what is going on now,
>> want me to explain it a bit slower so you understand
>
> It came out of American text books. This was Gramsci's Grand Plan to get
> at the Teachers Unions to spread communism through the schools. It
> worked.
really? communism Russian style just like other totalitarian systems seem to
be on the wane
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Pat Hanna
--
There was once a young man who, in his youth, professed a
a desire to become a "great" writer. When asked to define
"great", he said: "I want to write so that the whole world
will read it, and react to on a truly emotional level,
scream in desperation. (Now writes Microsoft's error messages)
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cockroaches.
Stan Pierce
Read my lips. Gramsci's Grand Plan. That was the key. Gramsci did not
subscribe to the 'Russian Style". That is the whole point about Gramsci.
The Russian Style did not work in Europe outside of Russia.. People
believed in God , went to church on Sundays and brought their kids up
strictly within their chosen faith...definitely not Communistic Faith and
were prepared to strive within the existing cultural system to improve
themselves.
This Gramsci saw as the reason why it would never take off in Europe and
America in that form.
His idea...and it worked, was to subvert the free democratic system
through the Teachers Unions world wide.
I don't how I can explain it any clearer. Look up Gramsci's Grand Plan and
for God's sake read it yourself.
Ask if you don't understand what he's getting at.
Stan Pierce
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> The way I see it Jim, is that communism and capitalism are two
> antagonistic
> forces which work together to break down the fabric of society. This in
> turn
> makes it easy for the elite to create the new world order out of the
> chaos.
> The role of education isn't to teach kids so much as to socialise them and
> get them compliant and dumbed down to go along with the system.
>
You have to understand the words you use. What is this ' fabric' of
society?
Let's say the obvious first. It's the end result of a long history of
survival.
So over that history humans have built up systems of governance. Forget
about fairness...societies have never been fair. Struggle is the norm.
The powerful dominate the weak. Try and think of the weak dominating the
strong and you get to an intellectual full stop...it can't happen.
So the history is a history of fighting for some leverage against the
powerful. It will always be thus.
Fairness is an intellectual abstraction that the weak use to try and get an
advantage over their perceived oppressors. You hear examples of it every
day on the ABC. So now instead of running amok with a cudgel to get an
advantage we sweet talk our way and talk politicians into taxing their way
to 'fairness'.
This is part of the political FABRIC that we all find ourselves in.
Capitalism had to exist to raise us out of the agricultural dead end we were
in the 17th century. It was cruel in the sense of breaking the habits and
culture of thousands of years. But in just two hundred years you have
Antibiotics to save your life, you have food in abundance, and you have
shelter, clean water, electricity. In other words a better life than Henry
the Eighth ever had.
People were not 'dumbed down' to achieve this.
Now tell me the benefits of Communism. I promise I'll listen.
Flange
You're a bit out of your depth on this one.
Back to the Cocco Pops.
Boy Blue
Pierce <ecr...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
Stan - seriously - aren't you aware that nobody ever talks about
communism any more? You go on as if there was some great Red plot
running. Where on earth is there any sign of this? Kim Beasley, Tony
Blair??!!
Gramsci spent his life in jail - that's how he got to wrote so much.
That's where he decided that Marx was wrong, that the individual does
matter, that people agree to be led by the nose, and - most important -
that Marx's fantasy about revolution was not the inevitable machine the
old boy thought it was. All those ideas have been seen to fail. Long
gone.
So what are you so worried about? I see hordes of kids that are just
out of school, starting uni. You won't find a pinko anywhere (except
for a few weekend greenies) they're all Christians. They don't read
Marx, they read their friggin Bibles!
Stan Pierce
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You are so seriously out of touch with reality it is beyond belief. I
really don't think it worth while trying to explain anymore with you. You
don't even comprehend what Gramsci was about. So much for your schooling.
You are a disgrace.
dechucka
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not really I'm just paddling on this one and am making a lot more sense than
you. Getting your knickers in knot about a 34 year old article come on move
on
Boy Blue
Pierce <ecr...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
Bullshit. What's your claim to 'reality' (whatever that is)? I have
first-hand experience of two British and two Sydney Universities, and
friends who teach at others, TAFE, and high school. Lecturers I know
describe today's students as a spineless bunch. It's you who's out of
touch.
At UNSW last year, some leftie students formed a society, but when they
failed to operate according to the bureaucratic guidelines, the
Students Guild had the police throw them off campus. THAT is reality.
So what's your experience in this field, Stan? Let's hear about your
education if you're so smart, particularly where you studied Gramsci.
chrissy
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> >> I assume from the link that this article is 34 years old, try and keep up
> >>
> >>
> > The "Grand Plan" was hatched then by the commies to what is going on now,
> > want me to explain it a bit slower so you understand
> >
> >
> Yes play it again Sam.
Actually, "Play it Sam ... "
cheers
Chrissy
referring to the most common misquotes, right after "Alas, poor Yoric,
I knew him well".
FRAN
Well I do, but I'm a tiny minority.
> You go on as if there was some great Red plot
> running. Where on earth is there any sign of this? Kim Beasley, Tony
> Blair??!!
>
The only red plot at the moment is Marx's grave in Highgate.
> Gramsci spent his life in jail - that's how he got to wrote so much.
And it wasn't any kind of gaol. It was a fascists prison. Gramsci had
to write with very limited access to research materials, typically
setting down his thoughts between bouts of illness brought on by
imprisonment and his pre-existing physical infirmity, on scraps of
paper. When he eventually got put into a clinic, he gathered these
scraps together and after deliberately rendering them as obscuree as
possible to defeat the efforts of the fascist censors, they were
released and recompiled by others trying to guess what went with what.
It's also not clear that he wrote believing anyone else would read it.
His first letter to his sister indicated that he had in mind a range of
cultural artefacts, including plays and short stories. Later he
exprerssed the view that he wanted to keep his mind engaged by writing
polemics -- which may simply have been about overcoming the misery of
prison.
His focus on education is interesting because his own education was
interrupted by extreme poverty. He had to leave school to work and
support his family while his father was sent to prison for six years in
Sardinia. In retrospect, his accomplishment in being literate at all is
extraordinary, when I consider the limited literacy of some of the kids
who come to high school today with nothing like the social disadvantage
he suffered.
> That's where he decided that Marx was wrong, that the individual does
> matter,
Marx didn't think the individual didn't matter. It's just that he
thought they made the most difference to the world about them when they
collaborated, and that individuality was ultimately not a useful
concept in a society where people are bound to spend most of their life
working to survive. He believed that true human freedom could only be
attained when class society had disappeared and we lived in abundance.
> that people agree to be led by the nose, and - most important -
> that Marx's fantasy about revolution was not the inevitable machine
the
> old boy thought it was.
He didn't think it was inevitable either. He understood that "men make
their own history".
> All those ideas have been seen to fail. Long
> gone.
>
> So what are you so worried about? I see hordes of kids that are just
> out of school, starting uni. You won't find a pinko anywhere (except
> for a few weekend greenies) they're all Christians. They don't read
> Marx, they read their friggin Bibles!
That's largely true.
Stan is amusing because unlike most of the tin foil hat brigade, he's
focused on someone whose grave grew cold 68 years ago, rather than Jews
or Masons. I'm not sure that Gramsci can really be credited as the
father of post-modernism or even the Frankfurt School as Stan seems to
imply. However that may be, Stan seems to agree in one essential way
with the post-Modernists. A simplistic account of post-modernism is to
say that all of life is about "competing narratives" and if that's so
then the struggle over what words are used to describe aspects of
social life is key in seeing whose story comes out as "hegemonic".
(That's a word from Gramsci) Stan is worried because he thinks the
wrong words are being used and wants the "right" ones reinstated so the
right stories can come out on top. He's an "absolute truth" believer on
Christian values, who beleives that the methodology of the relativists
post-Modernists are on the right track as far as control is concerned.
That's one of the reasons why what he writes is so confused, and why he
thinks contemporary phenomena reflect Grmascis's grand plan.
Of course, this is a man who thinks "Dolf" is in touch with things that
are way beyond him to understand.
FRAN
Boy Blue
FRAN <fran...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hi Fran, nice to know someone here knows what they're talking about.
The specific in this thread - with Stan - was about the usual scam that
teachers are all lefties and universities even worse. Sure there are a
few of us consuming more coffee than the others, but on my campus there
is NO organised society on the political left. One group tried to
organise last year and the Student Guild found an bureaucratic excuse
to have the Police remove them from campus. Incredible! As a 60's teen
from London I can hardly believe my own experiences here! However, it
is interesting [aka bizarre!] to experience first hand how a fascist
culture develops, and to compare it with anecdotes from those I know
who left Germany in time in the 30s, or made it out of eastern Europe
in the 60s.
Perhaps part of the problem is that people associate communism with
Stalin. I certainly don't! I'm a holder of the view that as yet
genuine socialism has never been tried, and Gramsci is certainly the
best reading I've found in that area.
Carole
>
> "Carole" <hubbc...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> news:d4n6il$ppi$1...@austarmetro.com.au...
> (snipped)
> > The way I see it Jim, is that communism and capitalism are two
> > antagonistic
> > forces which work together to break down the fabric of society. This in
> > turn
> > makes it easy for the elite to create the new world order out of the
> > chaos.
> > The role of education isn't to teach kids so much as to socialise them
and
> > get them compliant and dumbed down to go along with the system.
> >
> > Carole.
>
> You have to understand the words you use. What is this ' fabric' of
> society?
'Fabric of society' is the way people organise themselves and their
relationships which should be a natural progression and not interferred with
and manipulated, but which unfortunately is happening.
> Let's say the obvious first. It's the end result of a long history of
> survival.
> So over that history humans have built up systems of governance. Forget
> about fairness...societies have never been fair. Struggle is the norm.
> The powerful dominate the weak. Try and think of the weak dominating the
> strong and you get to an intellectual full stop...it can't happen.
>
> So the history is a history of fighting for some leverage against the
> powerful. It will always be thus.
> Fairness is an intellectual abstraction that the weak use to try and get
an
> advantage over their perceived oppressors. You hear examples of it
every
> day on the ABC. So now instead of running amok with a cudgel to get an
> advantage we sweet talk our way and talk politicians into taxing their
way
> to 'fairness'.
> This is part of the political FABRIC that we all find ourselves in.
Yeah well Stan, I remember years ago they said computerisation and machines
would create more leisure for the average person and everybody would be
better off. Ideally in a civilised society everybody would have enough food,
housing, clean water, access to health and education. These are the basics
of life and shouldn't be for the strongest survivors.
What you are talking about is the strong having access to the basics and the
weak being left to die.
> Capitalism had to exist to raise us out of the agricultural dead end we
were
> in the 17th century. It was cruel in the sense of breaking the habits and
> culture of thousands of years. But in just two hundred years you have
> Antibiotics to save your life, you have food in abundance, and you have
> shelter, clean water, electricity. In other words a better life than
Henry
> the Eighth ever had.
> People were not 'dumbed down' to achieve this.
We were in the dark ages back in 17th century but don't think we have come
all that far.
Our health system is stuffed and ready to break the economy and there are
more and more people on invalidity pensions with chronic disease, food full
of toxins to stuff up our bodies and minds - preservatives, artificial
colouring, flavouring, emulsifiers, housing that fewer and fewer people can
afford, water full of mind control drugs (fluoride) which we are soon going
to be paying a fortune for, electricity that should be free but that has
been suppressed.
People have been dumbed down to an astonishing extend and don't even know
it.
Did you see A Current Affair last Monday night?
They had a story about how kids were being dumbed down in schools by the
system of grading them which in effect hid the results from the parents.
Because if the parents knew they would do something about it. The three
levels were written on the report cards as something like - good, showing
promise, developing skills (which meant fail) and the excuse was that they
didn't want to emotionally scar the children by writing pass or fail.
Employers say they have to do their own maths testing because they can't
depend on school reports.
Funnily enough the story doesn't show up on ACA website - probably got
pulled by the powers that be don't want it to get on the internet. (wouldn't
be the first time I've tried to get a transcript that didn't show up).
> Now tell me the benefits of Communism. I promise I'll listen.
Did I say communism was a better option? Communism was invented by the
illuminati from what I understand, to break down society in order to rebuild
it - their motto is 'Order out of chaos'. They break down and then rebuild
according to their criteria.
At the moment we have 95% of the wealth of the world in the hands of 5%
which is inequality and a lot of people are deprived. Capitalists only think
of profits and not people or the environment.
You should read a book by Joel Bakan called 'The Corporation : The
Pathological Pursuit of Profit and Power' where he described the corporation
as being pathological.
Carole
http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/globalisation.htm
Carole
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>
Good stuff Fran.
So Stan, it looks like you are out of touch after all.
I say its an illuminati plot to dumb kids down so they can create a new
world order of people who don't know they are being dumbed down and think
everything is great and much, much better than before.
Only trouble is if you look you can see the inventions that have been
suppressed - like cancer cures, free energy, space ship travel and who
knows, maybe even time travel.
But to pull off their one world order plan, they have to dumb down
especially the sciences as they don't want any rogue scientists coming up
with things like Tesla did. The CIA confiscated all his stuff after his
death for reasons of "national security", which is what they call anything
that interferes with the plan - its all very convenient.
Carole
http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/education.htm
Carole
> > snip
>
> Read my lips. Gramsci's Grand Plan. That was the key. Gramsci did not
> subscribe to the 'Russian Style". That is the whole point about
Gramsci.
>
> The Russian Style did not work in Europe outside of Russia.. People
> believed in God , went to church on Sundays and brought their kids up
> strictly within their chosen faith...definitely not Communistic Faith and
> were prepared to strive within the existing cultural system to improve
> themselves.
>
> This Gramsci saw as the reason why it would never take off in Europe and
> America in that form.
> His idea...and it worked, was to subvert the free democratic system
> through the Teachers Unions world wide.
> I don't how I can explain it any clearer. Look up Gramsci's Grand Plan
and
> for God's sake read it yourself.
> Ask if you don't understand what he's getting at.
I'd never heard of Gramsci till Stan brought it up, so have been looking for
articles on Gramsci - some of them are heavy going. The following gives a
brief outline of Gramsci-ism and how its subtle operation is no doubt
responsible for strange attitudes that occur in society these days. It is a
type of communism which subverts values in order to weaken society, rather
than a violent takeover which would be recognised and rebuffed.
http://members.aol.com/opsgreen/revpar.html
Know thy enemy--An Understanding of Revolutionary Parliamentarianism
There are people right now at work destroying the United States and all it
stands for. Their plan is simple:
1) Disarm you
2) Dumb you down
3) Destroy and belittle those institutions that keep you free
4) Sell you a false history so the very information you use to judge
yourself with is distorted to serve their evil purposes.
KNOWLEDGE IS KEY TO YOUR CONTINUED FREEDOM
WHO WAS ANTONIO GRAMSCI?
Antonio Gramsci helped found the Italian Communist Party. Imprisioned by
Mussolini, Gramsci spent the last 9 years of his life in prision. While in
prision, he wrote nine volumes of observations on history, socialogy,
Marxist theory and strategy. These volumes, collectively known as "The
Prision Notebooks", contain a strategy that promises to win the world to
Marxism voluntarily. In order to do that, Gramsci suggests that strong
Western democracies can only be taken by infiltration of the organs of their
culture: churches, education systems, newspapers, magazines, the electronic
media, and other works of serious literature produced in those democracies.
Disillusioned by the brute force of Russian Marxism, but still embracing
Marxism as the correct system to be pushed on the world, Gramsci reasoned
that a system enacted by force would eventually weaken, but a system sold to
a people through their existing institutions would eventually be embraced
and spread as if it were naturally a people's own.
STEPS IN THE PROCESS
1) Turn churches into ideology-driven political clubs.
2) Replace guinuine education with a dumbed down and politically correct
curriculum.
3) Fashion the mass media into instruments for mass manipulation and for
harrassing and discrediting traditional institutions and their spokesman.
4) Ridicule morality, decency, and age old virtues without respite.
5) Present the youth, not with heroic examples, but with aggressively
degenerate behavioral models.
6) Attack the very building blocks of a moral society: attack marriage and
family in order to subvert the social order.
SUBVERSION THROUGH PARLIAMENTARIANISM
"A really efficient totalitarian state would be one in which the all
powerful executive of political bosses and their army of managers control a
population of slaves who do not have to be coerced, because they love their
servitude." Aldous Huxley Brave New World
According to Gramsci, the easiest most effective method of accomplishing the
steps in the process is through "the long march through the institutions".
In other words, by using the established governmental processes and systems
already in place. Through "governmental decree" and coersion, a society
could be made to feel that the choices for change were theirs, when in
actuality, power brokers behind the scences are orchestrating the break down
of the society. If this stategy of subversion is successfully implemented,
in two or three generations, the target society will no longer remember the
society they once had and the freedoms they no longer enjoy.
THE REALITY OF THE IMPLEMENTATION
All political theory is just that, theory, until put into practice. All
kinds of hairbrained schemes and programs have been thought up by all kinds
of people. Those programs only become a danger when pushed by those who have
the intelligence and resources to implement the scheme. So the question
becomes, Who has been or is pushing the programs of subversion thought up by
Antonio Gramsci?
1) The USSR
Once Gramsci's writings were smuggled out of Italy, the Russians immediately
began to study them and come up with methods by which his ideas could be
used against the USSR's enemies. No cost was spared in what the communsists
saw as "the war for control of the world". Just as any type of technolgy
advances and deepens when feverishly worked upon, Gramsci's strategies were
tested on unsespecting peoples around the world. What was learned through
these "experiments in social engineering" lead to a system of political
subversion so advanced and cunning, that people in these unsespecting
countries worked for their own destruction and didn't even know it. Case in
point...Czechoslavakia.
Jan Kozak, in his book And Not a Shot is Fired, said the method originally
formulated by Gramsci that was used to destroy the free political system in
Czechoslavakia, can be summerized with the title "Pressure from Above and
Below". The method involved bamboozling the Czech people into believing that
there was wide spread support for socialistic programs and laws, when in
fact, this impression was manufactured by a small clique of communists who
infiltrated the parliament and media outlets of the country. Here is a copy
of one of the actual documents sent by Czech communists to their Soviet
counterparts:
COMING SOON
WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH YOU?
The vast majority of what has been learned in the last century by those who
have fought against the communism is unknown to the American population. How
can a people be expected to fight and defeat a formidable enemy when that
people have no idea of their enemies strategies and the methods that are
being used against them? Why have you been kept in the dark?
BECAUSE IT IS EASIER TO DEFEAT AN UNINFORMED SOCIETY.
Lest you think that the authors of this web page are still fighting a battle
against "the communists" that has already been won, let it be know by all
those who "have the eyes to see, and the ears to hear", that the enemy is no
longer the communist (and it never was in the first place), but an enemy
much greater that is now within out midst.
Dr. James Lucier, "The first job of conspiracy is to convince the world that
conspiracy does not exist."
Carole
http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/conspiracy.htm
Stan Pierce
(snipped)
> Jan Kozak, in his book And Not a Shot is Fired, said the method originally
> formulated by Gramsci that was used to destroy the free political system in
And Britain, and America, and all the rest of Europe. You see the effects in
the quality of the output of schools and universities since the
1960s...appalling. This of course compounds because the output get into the
political system and climb up to make decisions on the rest of society.
You get activist judges, lawyers, teachers who are 'expert' clones of Gramsci's
ideas. You get magistrates unable to understand what to do with people who
offend. You get social 'carers' in Children's Services who don't even know
what they doing. So what else can be expected when they don't even know what
has been done to their minds.
He was the most successful social mind changer of all time...more efficient
than Jesus...without firing a shot and without any resistance from the masses.
No-one nailed him to a cross and made him famous.
Because Mussolini had him put in jail probably became the * tipping point * in
history because he became famous from his smuggled out writing rather than
getting himself killed during the war. One of those devastating ironies of
history.
Resistance comes only from people like me who lived through the changes and are
genuinely appalled by his effect on society...so who else is there left to care.
FRAN
Carole wrote:
> "Stan Pierce" <ecr...@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
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>
>
> > > snip
> >
<snip McCarthyite conspiracy theory by Stan Pierce fellow travellers>
I did like the moving eye on the page though. Isn't that a Masonic
symbol? Like the one on the US dollar? Maybe the Gramsciites are trying
to discredit the people trying to expose them by pretending to be their
own enemies really stupidly, or maybe the whole thing is a masonic
shell game. Maybe all of human history is a conspiracy. Hey wait a
minute ... doesn't the term "conspiracy" come from the idea of
"breathing together". How inhuman!
Seriously Carole, you don't want to wind Stan up.
Think about this ... whatever you think was in the mind of Gramsci, *it
didn't happen*. The US runs a unipolar world, and with its G7 allies
and occasional rivals bombs, murders and exploits at will. There is no
country on the face of the planet where working people are seriously
contesting for power (much less in power).
The mass commercial media is under the control of multi-billionaires,
and it's the agents of these people who are running down the schools.
As we speak, "old-fashioned values" are being asserted both by the west
and its enemies in the Islamic world (you can't get much more
old-fashioned than an eye-for-an-eye).
Of course, people like Stan just see what suits their own personal
anxieties.
FRAN
carole
1. That everything just happens by chance and natural consequences as
society evolves.
2. That there is an overriding plot and society is being manipulated
towards a one world government.
There is another interesting article which explains that it is a
deliberate plot.
The Grand Deception - Part One
A Second Look at the War on Terrorism
© 2002 by G. Edward Griffin
http://www.freedom-force.org/granddeception.htm
Carole
"carole" <hubbc...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:1115635167.9...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
There are two ways of looking at history.
1. That everything just happens by chance and natural consequences as
society evolves.
2. That there is an overriding plot and society is being manipulated
towards a one world government.
There is another interesting article which explains that it is a
deliberate plot.
The Grand Deception - Part One
A Second Look at the War on Terrorism
© 2002 by G. Edward Griffin
http://www.freedom-force.org/granddeception.htm
Sorry, that link doesn't work anymore - but the following which gives Parts
1 and 2 on the same page.
This article is long but worth reading.
http://www.fourwinds10.com/news/05-government/H-war/03-terrorism-war/2003/05
H3-11-15-02-Grand-Deception.html
Carole
http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/conspiracy.htm
fasgnadh
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>
> There is another interesting article which explains that it is a
> deliberate plot.
>
> The Grand Deception - Part One
> A Second Look at the War on Terrorism
> © 2002 by G. Edward Griffin
> http://www.freedom-force.org/granddeception.htm
>
> Sorry, that link doesn't work anymore -
I suspect it's part of a deliberate plot.
FRAN
Carole wrote:
> "carole" <hubbc...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> news:1115635167.9...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> There are two ways of looking at history.
> 1. That everything just happens by chance and natural consequences as
> society evolves.
> 2. That there is an overriding plot and society is being manipulated
> towards a one world government.
>
These are the only two???
I don't suppose its possible that humans might interract in ways that
preclude much more than a broad brush outline.
> There is another interesting article which explains that it is a
> deliberate plot.
>
The problem with the conspiracy view is explaining change. If the
people in charge have it how they want it, why do they permit change?
And how can they predict with precision the consequences of their
manipulation? How and by what principles do they determine succession?
If their ideas are as clear and well-defined as they need to be, how
come they've eluded discovery? Conversely, if you claim that they have
been "discovered" how did you or your source manage it? Can we conclude
that if you seem to have, that this is simply a new subterfuge, to
cover an even deeper plot?
If you want to explain history adequately you have to reconcile two
antithetic phenomena -- stasis and change. It's clear that there are
persistent themes in human history -- hierarchy, inequalities of power
and wealth, marginalisation and exclusion, scarcity, and coercion
surrounding all of these. On the other hand there is also change. Human
rulership has undergone persistent change. Empowered groups have
fallen, to be replaced by others, reasserting patterns of coercion but
on somewhat different systems of inclusion and exclusion, and these
have summoned up new dynamics and reinstituted the change process.
If your account can't explain how rulership dissolves and is
reinstituted with different and unstable constituencies leading to new
configurations of power, then it's inadequate.
FRAN
Carole
Carole wrote:
> "carole" <hubbc...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> news:1115635167.9...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> There are two ways of looking at history.
> 1. That everything just happens by chance and natural consequences as
> society evolves.
> 2. That there is an overriding plot and society is being manipulated
> towards a one world government.
>
>These are the only two???
There only needs to be two - either natural evolution or controlled outcome.
They have objectives like breaking down morale, breaking down our health to
make us more subservient etc.
One of thier objectives is to eliminate private ownership of guns, hence the
Port Arthur Massacre psyop and resulting legislation for the buyback. It all
seems fair and above board but there is a hidden agenda. Reasons given are
always safety and wellbeing of society which seems fair enough to most
people, but really just a another step towards total domination of people
under a one world dictatorship.
>I don't suppose its possible that humans might interract in ways that
preclude much more than a broad brush outline.
> There is another interesting article which explains that it is a
> deliberate plot.
>
>The problem with the conspiracy view is explaining change. If the
people in charge have it how they want it, why do they permit change?
It is an ongoing plan and they have yet to reach their objective, ie one
world governance. They use some called the hegelian dialectic to inch their
plan forward - two steps forward, one back which gives the appearance of
democracy, otherwise the people would wake up to the plan.
UNDERSTANDING HOW THE HEGELIAN DIALECTIC
IS TRANSFORMING THE WORLD TO BRING IN THE NEW WORLD ORDER
http://www.womensgroup.org/998NEWLT.html
"While I understood the goal of world government to be behind everything the
United Nations was doing, I did not know how -- what modus operandi -- they
would use to convert people from a capitalistic system where the individual
is the master and molder of his own destiny undergirded by personal property
rights reinforced his claim to that destiny, to one of complete control
where man did what the State directed, when the State directed, and in the
process gave up his freedoms and private property so the State could better
direct its use. I then found that the "modus operandi" being used for this
transition was called the "Hegelian Dialectic" which is comprised of three
parts: the thesis, antithesis, and synthesis."
>And how can they predict with precision the consequences of their
manipulation? How and by what principles do they determine succession?
Its trial and error but they do a lot of research and have many irons in the
fire. A good article to read is -
Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars
http://www.lightlink.com/freezone/mc/swfqw.htm
Another good article is Psychopolitics
http://www.psychopolitik.de/PP0.htm#C16
>If their ideas are as clear and well-defined as they need to be, how
come they've eluded discovery? Conversely, if you claim that they have
been "discovered" how did you or your source manage it? Can we conclude
that if you seem to have, that this is simply a new subterfuge, to
cover an even deeper plot?
They haven't totally eluded discovery, some people have had it worked ages
ago. One of the reasons people don't listen is because its a conspiracy and
when most people hear the word *CONSPIRACY* they blank out and change the
subject.
Fritz Springmeier, author of The Top 13 Illuminati Bloodlines and
de-programmer http://www.newworldpeace.com/911menu3.html
"Most people have built in "slides" that short circuit the mind's critical
examination process when it comes to certain sensitive topics. "Slides" is a
CIA term for a conditioned type of response which dead-ends a person's
thinking, and terminates debate or examination of the topic. For example,
the mention of the word "conspiracy" usually solicits a slide response with
many people. "
>If you want to explain history adequately you have to reconcile two
antithetic phenomena -- stasis and change. It's clear that there are
persistent themes in human history -- hierarchy, inequalities of power
and wealth, marginalisation and exclusion, scarcity, and coercion
surrounding all of these. On the other hand there is also change. Human
rulership has undergone persistent change. Empowered groups have
fallen, to be replaced by others, reasserting patterns of coercion but
on somewhat different systems of inclusion and exclusion, and these
have summoned up new dynamics and reinstituted the change process.
I can see you've studied evolution of society fairly in some detail and I
appreciate your viewpoint. And the evolution of society by natural
progression is how it is supposed to go, under normal circumstances.
However, there is a secret plan which has allegiance to something higher up
(satan?) which is pushing an ulterior agenda. There are so many things that
remain deliberately hidden, and so much disinformation and suppression of
inventions that would advance society.
My thinking is that there is a plot to enslave people without them knowing
it. If people work it out it becomes harder to implement and leads to
confrontations and rebellion, so they try to do it slowly a drop at a time
and inching forward with the plan.
It seems to have started in 1776 with the set up of the Illuminati by Adam
Weishaupt. How do people fight something they don't even know exists, and
when they don't even know the rules of the game?
>If your account can't explain how rulership dissolves and is
reinstituted with different and unstable constituencies leading to new
configurations of power, then it's inadequate.
What I am going on is different incidents - the Port Arthur Massacre is a
coverup and isn't supported by scientific evidence - Pearl Harbor wasn't a
surprise attack - WWI and WWII were planned by the Illuminati in 1800s as
part of their plan for world domination - the US Fed is privately owned -
inventions that would cure disease are deliberately suppressed - history
books are rewritten - true archaeology is suppressed and so on. Our money
system is corrupt, the banks are corrupt, income taxes are illegal, more and
more taxes, more and more rules and regulations, less and less personal
freedom.
Exactly by whom, rules of the game, and why they'd bother is another story -
but its happening and I think its a matter of working backwards to try to
figure out what is going on.
Carole
http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/conspiracy.htm
FRAN
> The Grand Deception - Part One
> A Second Look at the War on Terrorism
> © 2002 by G. Edward Griffin
Carole
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> > "jim" <jimma...@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
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> > I assume from the link that this article is 34 years old, try and keep
up
> >
> >
> The "Grand Plan" was hatched then by the commies to what is going on now,
> want me to explain it a bit slower so you understand
Yep, I get it now.
So how come you don't believe in conspiracy shit? This is an A1 conspiracy.
The Grand Plan by Antonio Gramsci is a subtle type of communism which is
being implemented today in western society.
Unfortunately if you look up "grand plan" you get some article which is a
bit technical. So I did some more searching and came up with a good link
which explains it clearly.
Antonio Gramsci helped found the Italian Communist Party. Imprisioned by
Mussolini, Gramsci spent the last 9 years of his life in prison. While in
prison, he wrote nine volumes of observations on history, sociology, Marxist
theory and strategy. These volumes, collectively known as "The Prision
Notebooks", contain a strategy that promises to win the world to Marxism
voluntarily. In order to do that, Gramsci suggests that strong Western
democracies can only be taken by infiltration of the organs of their
culture: churches, education systems, newspapers, magazines, the electronic
media, and other works of serious literature produced in those democracies.
Disillusioned by the brute force of Russian Marxism, but still embracing
Marxism as the correct system to be pushed on the world, Gramsci reasoned
that a system enacted by force would eventually weaken, but a system sold to
a people through their existing institutions would eventually be embraced
and spread as if it were naturally a people's own.
http://members.aol.com/opsgreen/revpar.html
STEPS IN THE PROCESS
1) Turn churches into ideology-driven political clubs.
2) Replace genuine education with a dumbed down and politically correct
curriculum.
3) Fashion the mass media into instruments for mass manipulation and for
harassing and discrediting traditional institutions and their spokesman.
4) Ridicule morality, decency, and age old virtues without respite.
5) Present the youth, not with heroic examples, but with aggressively
degenerate behavioral models.
6) Attack the very building blocks of a moral society: attack marriage and
family in order to subvert the social order.
Carole
"Boy Blue" <n...@me.mate> wrote in message
Dumbed down education systems. Case in point, right Stan?
Carole
http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/education.htm
fasgnadh
> In article <fKHbe.30658$5F3....@news-server.bigpond.net.au>, Stan
> Pierce <ecr...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>
>>
>
> Stan - seriously - aren't you aware that nobody ever talks about
> communism any more? You go on as if there was some great Red plot
> running. Where on earth is there any sign of this? Kim Beasley, Tony
> Blair??!!
>
> Gramsci spent his life in jail - that's how he got to wrote so much.
> That's where he decided that Marx was wrong, that the individual does
> matter, that people agree to be led by the nose, and - most important -
> that Marx's fantasy about revolution was not the inevitable machine the
> old boy thought it was. All those ideas have been seen to fail. Long
> gone.
>
> So what are you so worried about? I see hordes of kids that are just
> out of school, starting uni. You won't find a pinko anywhere (except
> for a few weekend greenies) they're all Christians. They don't read
> Marx, they read their friggin Bibles!
It is not just political studies that have all but disappeared
from university dialogue..
At every Australian university the Economics/Commerce faculty has
to hire a hall for open day, the philosophy department could
hold theirs in a broom closet.
The vocational focu$ is the key factor for students, academics are on
a publishing treadmill that produces more quantity than quality,
private think tanks have the money and the bias, for research,
and very little free thinking which is critical of the status
quo (the corporate sponsors of the Western Mining School of
Mining) occurs.
But Stan is an avowed Nazi, he tends to get hysterical
that Gramsci ever lived;
# From: "Stan Pierce" <spi...@bigpond.net.au>
# Newsgroups:
aus.politics,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.usa
# Subject: Re: A Jewish view of Christians.
# Message-ID: <Hn8l9.545$kd3....@news-server.bigpond.net.au>
# Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 02:22:31 GMT
#
#
# "As for being a nazi sympathiser, it took me nearly fifty years to
# become sympathetic towards Hitler. " - Stan Pierce.
# "I was told a story many years ago that Hitler cleared
# the streets of Germany by having motor vans that
# cruised the streets throwing gypsies
# and nere-do- wells into the back...then turned
# on a tap that tranfered the exhaust gases into them.
# Never found out if it was true, but it's tempting.
#
- Stan Sturm'n'Drang Pierce.
We recently had the same ignorant redneck twaddle
from Ned Net Kook and Kweerjabber, screeching about
ideological 'child abuse' in schools... when the failure
of churches and the family breakdown means the school is
often the only social structure still struggling to
educate and provide some moral structure for life..
and these know nothing dick-heads contribute nothing
but their tedious ill-informed brain farts and
dreams of social engineering!
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Compare and contrast his posts with those of "Carole". The voices in
his head are getting louder.
Fran
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King Frog
Some idiotic political babble. Noithing relevant to act-b.
---snip---
Piss off, you trolling maggot.
Freddo
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in <428595B7...@yahoo.com.au>:
A jumble of denial, misrepresentation, slander and false advertising.
Nothing relevant to act-b.
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Piss off, you depraved, hypocritical, racist troll.
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Not in this country they dont Comrade!
You only work for a think tank in Oz if you have a day
job.All half a dozen of them.
Ignoring the political three (Evatt Foundation, the Menzies
Research Center and the Page Research Center - yes, yes...
stop laughing, the National Party Think Tank...... har har
har) we dont have many left:
The CIS and the Lowy Institute run on a shoestring - oh, and
those hacks from the IPA get some chump change from the
rabid end of the political spectrum.
We dont have Brookings, Cato or Hertiage Foundation
equivalents here....... unfortunately.