GST for students.
bill
from $5,400.00 to $6,000.00.
That looks pretty good if you are, say, a student working part time (bar
work, waiter, McDonalds etc.) to put yourself through university, and you
earn $6,000.00. You will save yourself 20% of $400.00, or $80.00 a year.
And for this saving you will only have to pay a 10% GST on some things. Not
everything. Luxury cars will be cheaper, because the WST will be changed.
You probably won't be able to afford a luxury car.
You will need milk, bread, vegimite, vegitables, fruit etc. You will have
to pay the extra tax for these. Perhaps, to save money, you purchase second
hand clothing from an opp shop or charity outlet. You will have to pay the
new tax on those.
You buy your fruit and veg from the markets on the weekend (between your
work shifts.) Its a bit of a pain because you have to catch a bus across
town, and you will have to pay tax on the bus fair.
Your writing pads, text books, pencils, computer discs, ISP connection,
rent. Yeap, all taxed at 10%.
In fact, nearly everything you will spend your very hard earned money on
will be subject to the tax. That means that of your $6,000.00, you will be
spending $600.00 a year on GST.
Funny though, the HECS is not one of the abolished taxes, so you will still
have to pay that.
I smell a rat.
Bill.
Peter Mackay
"bill" <bro...@actonline.com.au> wrote:
} In fact, nearly everything you will spend your very hard earned money on
} will be subject to the tax. That means that of your $6,000.00, you will
be
} spending $600.00 a year on GST.
And if your understanding of how the tax package works, not to mention your
maths, is so poor, I doubt that even a uni education could possibly help
you!
~ m
u U Cheers!
\|
|> -Peter Mackay
/ \
_\ /_ Personal opinion only
tjlim
GST. That is how John Howard and Peter Costello plan to look after the battlers.
These supposedly naive group of people so busy struggling for a living or
finding a place under the Australian sun for themselves will find good reason to
vote for the Coalition Party.
bill wrote:
> So, under the GST the tax free freshold for low income earners will increas
> from $5,400.00 to $6,000.00.
>
> That looks pretty good if you are, say, a student working part time (bar
> work, waiter, McDonalds etc.) to put yourself through university, and you
> earn $6,000.00. You will save yourself 20% of $400.00, or $80.00 a year.
>
> And for this saving you will only have to pay a 10% GST on some things. Not
> everything. Luxury cars will be cheaper, because the WST will be changed.
> You probably won't be able to afford a luxury car.
>
> You will need milk, bread, vegimite, vegitables, fruit etc. You will have
> to pay the extra tax for these. Perhaps, to save money, you purchase second
> hand clothing from an opp shop or charity outlet. You will have to pay the
> new tax on those.
>
> You buy your fruit and veg from the markets on the weekend (between your
> work shifts.) Its a bit of a pain because you have to catch a bus across
> town, and you will have to pay tax on the bus fair.
>
> Your writing pads, text books, pencils, computer discs, ISP connection,
> rent. Yeap, all taxed at 10%.
>
> In fact, nearly everything you will spend your very hard earned money on
> will be subject to the tax. That means that of your $6,000.00, you will be
> spending $600.00 a year on GST.
>
Ray Loyzaga
> So, under the GST the tax free freshold for low income earners will increas
> from $5,400.00 to $6,000.00.
>
> That looks pretty good if you are, say, a student working part time (bar
> work, waiter, McDonalds etc.) to put yourself through university, and you
> earn $6,000.00. You will save yourself 20% of $400.00, or $80.00 a year.
(your maths sucks, it is 20% of $600. Why are you assuming that theyonly earn
$6k?)
> And for this saving you will only have to pay a 10% GST on some things. Not
> everything. Luxury cars will be cheaper, because the WST will be changed.
> You probably won't be able to afford a luxury car.
This is a lie, why do you need to lie? It has been reported in every forumand
after every false article posted on this group that the tax on luxury
vehicles will be maintained via an additional luxury car tax, i.e.
GST plus luxury car tax. Hence luxury cars are not expected to be any cheaper
after a GST.
> You will need milk, bread, vegimite, vegitables, fruit etc. You will have
> to pay the extra tax for these. Perhaps, to save money, you purchase second
> hand clothing from an opp shop or charity outlet. You will have to pay the
> new tax on those.
The foods mentioned are not going to rise 10%, they are expected to risearound
8.5%. There is a significant input cost in these items for
transportation and packaging. Transportation is set to fall around 7%
due to changes in the tax package and packaging currently attracts
a 22% sales tax. Second hand clothes will not be subject to a GST.
> You buy your fruit and veg from the markets on the weekend (between your
> work shifts.) Its a bit of a pain because you have to catch a bus across
> town, and you will have to pay tax on the bus fair.
You reall should learn to spell, it is vegemite, vegetables and bus fares.Bus
fares may not necessarily rise if they are provided by government
as the GST only applies on government charges if they are not
just a cover for costs.
> Your writing pads, text books, pencils, computer discs, ISP connection,
> rent. Yeap, all taxed at 10%.
Computer disks are hardware and currently taxed at 22%.Rent is GST free.
>
>
> In fact, nearly everything you will spend your very hard earned money on
> will be subject to the tax. That means that of your $6,000.00, you will be
> spending $600.00 a year on GST.
As outlined above, this is wrong.
>
>
> Funny though, the HECS is not one of the abolished taxes, so you will still
> have to pay that.
You don't pay HECS unless you are earning much more than you have
outlinedabove, in fact most studends only pay HECS when they are in fulltime
employment,
hence you bringing this into your "argument" is contradictory since your were
attempting (and it seems very mistakenly) to paint the picture of the life
of a fulltime student on low income through part time employment.
>
>
> I smell a rat.
It is probably because your are very proximate to one.
>
>
> Bill.
Why don't you read the policy before you comment on it, your posting
was so full of inaccuracies that you cannot possibly have read it.
The only other alternative is that you have deliberately lied in your
post because your argument is so weak. In either case I'd say
you have identified the cause of the odor your have detected.
Seppo Renfors
>
> Yes what a great reason to vote for a GST. Save $80 on taxes and pay $600 on
> GST. That is how John Howard and Peter Costello plan to look after the battlers.
> These supposedly naive group of people so busy struggling for a living or
> finding a place under the Australian sun for themselves will find good reason to
> vote for the Coalition Party.
Oh dear! I think the pair of you gotta get back to basics...
tjilm read this post in glee
as it suits his views to a tee
be it a lie matter not says he
kissing the arse of Beazley
>
> bill wrote:
>
> > So, under the GST the tax free freshold for low income earners will increas
> > from $5,400.00 to $6,000.00.
> >
> > That looks pretty good if you are, say, a student working part time (bar
> > work, waiter, McDonalds etc.) to put yourself through university, and you
> > earn $6,000.00. You will save yourself 20% of $400.00, or $80.00 a year.
> >
> > And for this saving you will only have to pay a 10% GST on some things. Not
> > everything. Luxury cars will be cheaper, because the WST will be changed.
> > You probably won't be able to afford a luxury car.
> >
> > You will need milk, bread, vegimite, vegitables, fruit etc. You will have
> > to pay the extra tax for these. Perhaps, to save money, you purchase second
> > hand clothing from an opp shop or charity outlet. You will have to pay the
> > new tax on those.
> >
> > You buy your fruit and veg from the markets on the weekend (between your
> > work shifts.) Its a bit of a pain because you have to catch a bus across
> > town, and you will have to pay tax on the bus fair.
> >
> > Your writing pads, text books, pencils, computer discs, ISP connection,
> > rent. Yeap, all taxed at 10%.
> >
> > In fact, nearly everything you will spend your very hard earned money on
> > will be subject to the tax. That means that of your $6,000.00, you will be
> > spending $600.00 a year on GST.
> >
> > Funny though, the HECS is not one of the abolished taxes, so you will still
> > have to pay that.
> >
> > I smell a rat.
> >
> > Bill.
--
Philosopher Unauthorised
------------------------------------------------------------------
" Don't resent getting old. A great many are denied that privilege "
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arranw
wrote:
>Yes what a great reason to vote for a GST. Save $80 on taxes and pay $600 on
>GST. That is how John Howard and Peter Costello plan to look after the battlers.
>These supposedly naive group of people so busy struggling for a living or
>finding a place under the Australian sun for themselves will find good reason to
>vote for the Coalition Party.
>
>bill wrote:
>
Better to vote against the Liberal government who knows what they'll
do next.
Cya Arran
daftB4draft
Ray Loyzaga wrote in message <35EA794C...@spider.com.au>...
Everyting, including the reply.
:> Your writing pads, text books, pencils, computer discs, ISP connection,
:> rent. Yeap, all taxed at 10%.
:
:Computer disks are hardware and currently taxed at 22%.Rent is GST free.
{snip}
:This is a lie, why do you need to lie? It has been reported in every
forumand
:after every false article posted on this group that the tax on rent
: will be maintained via input tax, i.e rents are not expected to be any
cheaper
:after a GST.
{snip}
{snip}
:Why don't you read the policy before you comment on it, your posting
:was so full of inaccuracies that you cannot possibly have read it.
:The only other alternative is that you have deliberately lied in your
:post because your argument is so weak. In either case I'd say
:you have identified the cause of the odor your have detected.
{end snip}
Chris
daftB4draft wrote in message <35eac...@139.134.5.33>...
>
>Ray Loyzaga wrote in message <35EA794C...@spider.com.au>...
>
>Everyting, including the reply.
>
>:> Your writing pads, text books, pencils, computer discs, ISP connection,
>:> rent. Yeap, all taxed at 10%.
I suppose you enjoy misinformation to suit your own needs? The stationery
are already taxed by WST, computer disks are 22% WST, ISPs will go up 10%,
but rent will not go up at all.
Chris
Chris
>>do next.
I can't believe all the loyalism that's out there. You people are loyal to
politicians! ROFL Does this person actually think Labor are "better" than
Liberal? They're both the same, just vote for their policies. Liberal are
no more liars than Labor... ala Nuclear Power Plant blackmailing... hmmm,
Gareth, I reaslly trust you now.
Chris
daftB4draft
Chris wrote in message <8aJG1.1132$Gu1....@nsw.nnrp.telstra.net>...
:
:daftB4draft wrote in message <35eac...@139.134.5.33>...
:
{snip}
:This is a lie, why do you need to lie? It has been reported in every
forumand
:after every false article posted on this group that the tax on rent
: will be maintained via GST _induced_landlord_ inputs i.e rents are not
expected to be any
cheaper_or_indeed_to _remain_at_their_current_levels
:after a GST.
{snip}
Which part dont you understand?
My needs what?
have a nice day
dave!
Trudy Bray
Chris wrote:
> daftB4draft wrote in message <35eac...@139.134.5.33>...
> >
> >Ray Loyzaga wrote in message <35EA794C...@spider.com.au>...
> >
> >Everyting, including the reply.
> >
> >:> Your writing pads, text books, pencils, computer discs, ISP connection,
> >:> rent. Yeap, all taxed at 10%.
>
> I suppose you enjoy misinformation to suit your own needs? The stationery
> are already taxed by WST, computer disks are 22% WST, ISPs will go up 10%,
> but rent will not go up at all.
>
> Chris
You're wrong too, Chris. Unless you think your landlord will not pass on the
GST he/she has to pay on all repairs and services. The inputs are not GST free
so therefore, in most cases, rents will go up.
Trudy
--
=================================================
"Howard's figures don't add up on GST. Mr Howard's tables are
so misleading as to be dishonest. He should be ashamed of
himself -- as should the Treasury officers who cooked up his
excuses."
Ross Gittins, Economics Editor
Sydney Morning Herald 29 Aug. 1998
=================================================
Michael
bill wrote in message <90452122...@genie.cyberone.com.au>...
>So, under the GST the tax free freshold for low income earners will increas
>from $5,400.00 to $6,000.00.
>
>That looks pretty good if you are, say, a student working part time (bar
>work, waiter, McDonalds etc.) to put yourself through university, and you
>earn $6,000.00. You will save yourself 20% of $400.00, or $80.00 a year.
>
>And for this saving you will only have to pay a 10% GST on some things.
Not
>everything. Luxury cars will be cheaper, because the WST will be changed.
>You probably won't be able to afford a luxury car.
>
>You will need milk, bread, vegimite, vegitables, fruit etc. You will have
>to pay the extra tax for these. Perhaps, to save money, you purchase
second
>hand clothing from an opp shop or charity outlet. You will have to pay the
>new tax on those.
Nope - if the charity is what it says it is - ie the money is being raised
for the charity and not a commercial business, it will be GST free. As for
food - do you realise that all confectionary, Softdrink - even orange juice
has WST on it now??? Please don't insult our intellegance and say that you
only eat rabbit food and drink water!
>
>You buy your fruit and veg from the markets on the weekend (between your
>work shifts.) Its a bit of a pain because you have to catch a bus across
>town, and you will have to pay tax on the bus fair.
>
>Your writing pads, text books, pencils, computer discs, ISP connection,
>rent. Yeap, all taxed at 10%.
>
>In fact, nearly everything you will spend your very hard earned money on
>will be subject to the tax. That means that of your $6,000.00, you will be
>spending $600.00 a year on GST.
BARP!!!! - sorry - you are forgetting to remove 22% WST that you already pay
on many day to day items.
>Funny though, the HECS is not one of the abolished taxes, so you will still
>have to pay that.
So you are not a fan of paying your way????
Later...
Michael
Michael
Trudy Bray wrote in message <35EBACD6...@zip.com.au>...
>Chris wrote:
>
>> daftB4draft wrote in message <35eac...@139.134.5.33>...
>> >
>> >Ray Loyzaga wrote in message <35EA794C...@spider.com.au>...
>> >
>> >Everyting, including the reply.
>> >
>> >:> Your writing pads, text books, pencils, computer discs, ISP
connection,
>> >:> rent. Yeap, all taxed at 10%.
>>
>> I suppose you enjoy misinformation to suit your own needs? The
stationery
>> are already taxed by WST, computer disks are 22% WST, ISPs will go up
10%,
>> but rent will not go up at all.
>>
>> Chris
>
>You're wrong too, Chris. Unless you think your landlord will not pass on
the
>GST he/she has to pay on all repairs and services. The inputs are not GST
free
>so therefore, in most cases, rents will go up.
Will he not get a "credit" on his inputs - ie maintenance costs etc??
NFI on this - just a question
D. W. Washburn
voice of Ray Loyzaga <r...@spider.com.au> say:
>bill wrote:
>
>> So, under the GST the tax free freshold for low income earners will increas
>> from $5,400.00 to $6,000.00.
>>
>> That looks pretty good if you are, say, a student working part time (bar
>> work, waiter, McDonalds etc.) to put yourself through university, and you
>> earn $6,000.00. You will save yourself 20% of $400.00, or $80.00 a year.
>
>(your maths sucks, it is 20% of $600. Why are you assuming that theyonly earn
>$6k?)
>
>> And for this saving you will only have to pay a 10% GST on some things. Not
>> everything. Luxury cars will be cheaper, because the WST will be changed.
>> You probably won't be able to afford a luxury car.
>
>This is a lie, why do you need to lie? It has been reported in every forumand
>after every false article posted on this group that the tax on luxury
>vehicles will be maintained via an additional luxury car tax, i.e.
>GST plus luxury car tax. Hence luxury cars are not expected to be any cheaper
>after a GST.
>
>> You will need milk, bread, vegimite, vegitables, fruit etc. You will have
>> to pay the extra tax for these. Perhaps, to save money, you purchase second
>> hand clothing from an opp shop or charity outlet. You will have to pay the
>> new tax on those.
>
>The foods mentioned are not going to rise 10%, they are expected to risearound
>8.5%. There is a significant input cost in these items for
>transportation and packaging. Transportation is set to fall around 7%
>due to changes in the tax package and packaging currently attracts
>a 22% sales tax. Second hand clothes will not be subject to a GST.
>
According to advice from KPMG, all second hand goods traders with a
turnover above $50k will be forced to comply with the GST.
>> You buy your fruit and veg from the markets on the weekend (between your
>> work shifts.) Its a bit of a pain because you have to catch a bus across
>> town, and you will have to pay tax on the bus fair.
>
>You reall should learn to spell, it is vegemite, vegetables and bus fares.Bus
>fares may not necessarily rise if they are provided by government
>as the GST only applies on government charges if they are not
>just a cover for costs.
>
This is quite typical of GST proponents - attack the spelling, because
the arguments against GST are unassailable.
As ALL govt provided services are being opened to competition, bus
fares _will_ rise because they will need to be set at a level that
does not disadvanatage private sector competitors, therefore will not
be just cost recovery.
The ignorance of you people is only slightly more shocking than your
arrogance!
>> Your writing pads, text books, pencils, computer discs, ISP connection,
>> rent. Yeap, all taxed at 10%.
>
>Computer disks are hardware and currently taxed at 22%.Rent is GST free.
>
As the thread was about education costs you may be surprised to fid
that many student requisiotes are provided to the students at ex tax
prices. At least, that is the case in south australian public schools.
As the school purchases the initial requirements ex tax and as they do
not give an itemised account no sales tax is charged on stationery,
disks, etc.
Ignornace again.
>>
>>
>> In fact, nearly everything you will spend your very hard earned money on
>> will be subject to the tax. That means that of your $6,000.00, you will be
>> spending $600.00 a year on GST.
>
>As outlined above, this is wrong.
>
>>
>>
>> Funny though, the HECS is not one of the abolished taxes, so you will still
>> have to pay that.
>
>You don't pay HECS unless you are earning much more than you have
>outlinedabove, in fact most studends only pay HECS when they are in fulltime
>employment,
>hence you bringing this into your "argument" is contradictory since your were
>attempting (and it seems very mistakenly) to paint the picture of the life
>of a fulltime student on low income through part time employment.
>
>>
>>
>> I smell a rat.
>
>It is probably because your are very proximate to one.
>
Possibly - a senator lives not 400 metres from me ;-))
******************************************************
Under the present tax system both condoms
and coffins are free from sales tax.
Trust John Howard to think up a way
to get us both coming and going!
*****************************************************
Trudy Bray
Michael wrote:
> Hi...
>
> Trudy Bray wrote in message <35EBACD6...@zip.com.au>...
> >Chris wrote:
> >
> >> daftB4draft wrote in message <35eac...@139.134.5.33>...
> >> >
> >> >Ray Loyzaga wrote in message <35EA794C...@spider.com.au>...
> >> >
> >> >Everyting, including the reply.
> >> >
> >> >:> Your writing pads, text books, pencils, computer discs, ISP
> connection,
> >> >:> rent. Yeap, all taxed at 10%.
> >>
> >> I suppose you enjoy misinformation to suit your own needs? The
> stationery
> >> are already taxed by WST, computer disks are 22% WST, ISPs will go up
> 10%,
> >> but rent will not go up at all.
> >>
> >> Chris
> >
> >You're wrong too, Chris. Unless you think your landlord will not pass on
> the
> >GST he/she has to pay on all repairs and services. The inputs are not GST
> free
> >so therefore, in most cases, rents will go up.
>
> Will he not get a "credit" on his inputs - ie maintenance costs etc??
> NFI on this - just a question
No, there is no credit for his/her inputs. All of these will most likely be
passed on to the renter. So the "GST free" rent is mostly hot air.
Trudy
>
>
> >
> >Trudy
> >
> >
> >--
> >=================================================
> >"Howard's figures don't add up on GST. Mr Howard's tables are
> >so misleading as to be dishonest. He should be ashamed of
> >himself -- as should the Treasury officers who cooked up his
> >excuses."
> >Ross Gittins, Economics Editor
> >Sydney Morning Herald 29 Aug. 1998
> >=================================================
> >
> >
> >
--
=================================================
"The Melbourne Institute's assessment of the Coalition package
has found the Coalition compensates low-income earners
for less than half the cost of the GST."
The Sydney Morning Herald, September 2, 1998
=================================================
Watermelon Man
> This is quite typical of GST proponents - attack the spelling, because
> the arguments against GST are unassailable.
> As ALL govt provided services are being opened to competition, bus
> fares _will_ rise because they will need to be set at a level that
> does not disadvanatage private sector competitors, therefore will not
> be just cost recovery.
Just like phone calls did huh? Or...airfares?
> The ignorance of you people is only slightly more shocking than your
> arrogance!
Your arrogance is only slightly more shocking than your ignorance.
> As the thread was about education costs you may be surprised to fid
> that many student requisiotes are provided to the students at ex tax
> prices. At least, that is the case in south australian public schools.
> As the school purchases the initial requirements ex tax and as they do
> not give an itemised account no sales tax is charged on stationery,
> disks, etc.
You might be equally suprised to know that a lot of the population
progresses past primary school, and for them " student requisiotes"
involve more than mummy paying a $30 levee for a handful of exercise
pads from the school bookroom.
At the moment highschool and university students are paying 22%
wholesale sales tax on their stationary and computing equipment. Even
after a GST the cost of these will drop. I'm not going to bother doing
the math for you; get your clever mates Garath and Pauline to help you.
> Ignornace again.
You poor stupid cunt.
Andrew D.
<ozbr...@zip.com.au> wrote:
+Michael wrote:
[snip]
+> Will he not get a "credit" on his inputs - ie maintenance costs etc??
+> NFI on this - just a question
+No, there is no credit for his/her inputs. All of these will most likely be
+passed on to the renter. So the "GST free" rent is mostly hot air.
What portion of the weekly rent is spent on maintenance? What paortion of
those maintenance costs might actually "reduce" with the removal of WST
and other reduced costs? What will be the "final" effect on the average
rent with a GST?
Now compare that to what the ALP are planning:
Are they going to make ANYTHING cheaper? They ARE going to introduce a
Capital Gains Tax that will almost certainly impact on many older rental
properties - some of which might be rented by pensioners and students.
They might yet increase the Sales Tax on some of the costs included in the
rental inputs. They are not delivering the property owner any tax cuts so
to cope with increased costs the owner will have to increase
rents......and so on.
I don't know the answer to any of these questions - I merely ask them in
the interests of "balance" and in the hope that someone (perhaps with a
rental property) can answer them sensibly.
Andy D.
conq...@wantree.com.au
"I'm a great speller - but a hopless tpyist!"
Mark Haselden
: D. W. Washburn wrote:
: > As the thread was about education costs you may be surprised to fid
: > that many student requisiotes are provided to the students at ex tax
: > prices. At least, that is the case in south australian public schools.
: > As the school purchases the initial requirements ex tax and as they do
: > not give an itemised account no sales tax is charged on stationery,
: > disks, etc.
Firstly, AFAIK, as part of the exemption for education, requisites
provided throught the school will be GST free.
: You might be equally suprised to know that a lot of the population
: progresses past primary school, and for them " student requisiotes"
: involve more than mummy paying a $30 levee for a handful of exercise
: pads from the school bookroom.
: At the moment highschool and university students are paying 22%
: wholesale sales tax on their stationary and computing equipment. Even
: after a GST the cost of these will drop. I'm not going to bother doing
: the math for you; get your clever mates Garath and Pauline to help you.
Well, personally, I've managed to get my "student requisites" mostly
WST free. I'm not in a position to buy a new computer, and my single
biggest "student requisite" expense is in textbooks. Really, I don't
spend much more than $50 pa in stationary. Textbooks, however, can go
for up to $300 a pop, and the average price is around $90. AFAIK, they're
currently WST free.
--
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email markha at tartarus.uwa.edu.au | the best of all possible worlds
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Ray Loyzaga
> Hi...
>
> Trudy Bray wrote in message <35EBACD6...@zip.com.au>...
> >Chris wrote:
> >
> >> daftB4draft wrote in message <35eac...@139.134.5.33>...
> >> >
> >> >Ray Loyzaga wrote in message <35EA794C...@spider.com.au>...
> >> >
> >> >Everyting, including the reply.
> >> >
> >> >:> Your writing pads, text books, pencils, computer discs, ISP
> connection,
> >> >:> rent. Yeap, all taxed at 10%.
> >>
> >> I suppose you enjoy misinformation to suit your own needs? The
> stationery
> >> are already taxed by WST, computer disks are 22% WST, ISPs will go up
> 10%,
> >> but rent will not go up at all.
> >>
> >> Chris
> >
> >You're wrong too, Chris. Unless you think your landlord will not pass on
> the
> >GST he/she has to pay on all repairs and services. The inputs are not GST
> free
> >so therefore, in most cases, rents will go up.
>
> Will he not get a "credit" on his inputs - ie maintenance costs etc??
> NFI on this - just a question
Rents are not subject to GST, i.e. the landlord does not have to charge
GST andremit any money to the Govt. Because of this any GST on inputs (such
as
agents fees, insurance, repairs and maintenance) will not be able to be
claimed. Of course they are a deductible expense when working out profit
and therefore tax liability.
Because inputs to rent are usually a smallish percentage of the "costs"
leasing a property (return on capital being the greatest), it is expected
that rents will increase no more than 2%, not the 10% claimed by the
scaremonger original post. I would expect that a similar effect would
be seen from Labor's CGT expansion.
Ray Loyzaga
Actually I attacked all your arguments, they were all broken, the spelling was
anadded bonus. Some arguments on the GST are unassailable, yours don't fall
into that category.
> As ALL govt provided services are being opened to competition, bus
> fares _will_ rise because they will need to be set at a level that
> does not disadvanatage private sector competitors, therefore will not
> be just cost recovery.
In the public transport areas of Sydney, there aren't private operators, hence the
pricescan stay the same, in some of the poorer serviced areas there may be rises,
but diesel costs drop, buses run on diesel.
> The ignorance of you people is only slightly more shocking than your
> arrogance!
>
Your ignorance no longer shocks.
> >> Your writing pads, text books, pencils, computer discs, ISP connection,
> >> rent. Yeap, all taxed at 10%.
> >
> >Computer disks are hardware and currently taxed at 22%.Rent is GST free.
> >
> As the thread was about education costs you may be surprised to fid
> that many student requisiotes are provided to the students at ex tax
> prices. At least, that is the case in south australian public schools.
> As the school purchases the initial requirements ex tax and as they do
> not give an itemised account no sales tax is charged on stationery,
> disks, etc.
As the package says, items purchased by school will be GST exempt, i.e.the school
doesn't have to pay GST.
> Ignornace again.
I'd agree, you have displayed your ignorance again (and poor spelling).
> >>
> >>
> >> In fact, nearly everything you will spend your very hard earned money on
> >> will be subject to the tax. That means that of your $6,000.00, you will be
> >> spending $600.00 a year on GST.
> >
> >As outlined above, this is wrong.
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Funny though, the HECS is not one of the abolished taxes, so you will still
> >> have to pay that.
> >
> >You don't pay HECS unless you are earning much more than you have
> >outlinedabove, in fact most studends only pay HECS when they are in fulltime
> >employment,
> >hence you bringing this into your "argument" is contradictory since your were
> >attempting (and it seems very mistakenly) to paint the picture of the life
> >of a fulltime student on low income through part time employment.
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> I smell a rat.
> >
> >It is probably because your are very proximate to one.
> >
> Possibly - a senator lives not 400 metres from me ;-))
Look closer to home.
You were wrong about cars, food, transport, tax free thresholds and school
purchases,
not a bad record, keep it up.
Ray Loyzaga
costs etc??
> > NFI on this - just a question
>
> No, there is no credit for his/her inputs. All of these will most likely be
> passed on to the renter. So the "GST free" rent is mostly hot air.
>
> Trudy
The GST free rent is exactly correct, there is no GST charged on rent.
The effect on rent is because of increased costs of ownership for houses,
which are invariably passed on as rent increases. This doesn't not mean that
there is a GST on rent and talking in such terms is misleading.
The primary "costs" incurred in rental properties are return on capital
and land taxes. How much maintenance, insurance and agents fees do you think
the owner is paying on your rent?
Rob Silva
wrote:
>Trudy Bray wrote: > Will he not get a "credit" on his inputs - ie maintenance
>costs etc??
>
>> > NFI on this - just a question
>>
>> No, there is no credit for his/her inputs. All of these will most likely be
>> passed on to the renter. So the "GST free" rent is mostly hot air.
>>
>> Trudy
>
>The GST free rent is exactly correct, there is no GST charged on rent.
>The effect on rent is because of increased costs of ownership for houses,
>which are invariably passed on as rent increases. This doesn't not mean that
>there is a GST on rent and talking in such terms is misleading.
This is exactly right. Rent is proposed to be free of GST - in much
the same way as some food items are presently free of WST (ie no WST
levied on the item but there is still a WST impact on the price of the
food item).
Chris
>This is exactly right. Rent is proposed to be free of GST - in much
>the same way as some food items are presently free of WST (ie no WST
>levied on the item but there is still a WST impact on the price of the
>food item).
>
Apparently, GST will only be incurred upon a home's first sale ie. when it's
built.
Chris
D. W. Washburn
voice of Watermelon Man <waterme...@yada-yada.com> say:
>D. W. Washburn wrote:
>> This is quite typical of GST proponents - attack the spelling, because
>> the arguments against GST are unassailable.
>haw haw
>
>> As ALL govt provided services are being opened to competition, bus
>> fares _will_ rise because they will need to be set at a level that
>> does not disadvanatage private sector competitors, therefore will not
>> be just cost recovery.
>Just like phone calls did huh? Or...airfares?
>
>> The ignorance of you people is only slightly more shocking than your
>> arrogance!
>Your arrogance is only slightly more shocking than your ignorance.
>
>> As the thread was about education costs you may be surprised to fid
>> that many student requisiotes are provided to the students at ex tax
>> prices. At least, that is the case in south australian public schools.
>> As the school purchases the initial requirements ex tax and as they do
>> not give an itemised account no sales tax is charged on stationery,
>> disks, etc.
>You might be equally suprised to know that a lot of the population
>progresses past primary school, and for them " student requisiotes"
>involve more than mummy paying a $30 levee for a handful of exercise
>pads from the school bookroom.
No, the same situation applies to high schools. Wanker!
>At the moment highschool and university students are paying 22%
>wholesale sales tax on their stationary and computing equipment. Even
>after a GST the cost of these will drop. I'm not going to bother doing
>the math for you; get your clever mates Garath and Pauline to help you.
>
>
>> Ignornace again.
>You poor stupid cunt.
At least cunbts are useful. Biut I doubt you have yet to find a use
for one as you still think your dick is for pissing out of!
Pull your foreskin over your head and whistle through the hole.
Robin Darroch
> >fares may not necessarily rise if they are provided by government
> >as the GST only applies on government charges if they are not
> >just a cover for costs.
> >
> This is quite typical of GST proponents - attack the spelling, because
> the arguments against GST are unassailable.
Political content aside, you would have thought that abusing someone over the
spelling would at least have been spelled correctly. As I recall, that's not
how one spells "really". :)