Re: Postmodernism's Assault On Western Culture
Stan Pierce
"futureworlds" <nob...@mail.futureworlds.it> wrote in message
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> First rate. Giles Auty has the arts back ground that means he
> knows where those pretentious
> twats are coming from and why they are so very wrong. A bit long
> but worth the effort.
>
> Here is a bit. Is he wrong?
> When I was living in England, a popular cultural joke was that,
> following the collapse of the Berlin Wall, the last genuine
> communist
> cells were to be found in Beverly Hills, the BBC and the
> staffrooms of
> any Western university. Marx remains the true puppet-master
> behind
> almost all postmodernist initiatives, including the growing
> antagonism
> and contempt for Christianity and organised religion of all
> kinds.
He's nearly right. It was a crowd of Universty lecturers in Germany, and
Gramsci in Italy, who realised that Marx was failing to ignite
anti-capitalist revolt in Europe. Hitler was on to them though and they
were for the chop.
All of them fled to America and got posts mainly in Columbia University to
spread the disease. We know the disease as 'Social Science "...and the
particular branch of 'Studies' are under the name of Critical Theory.
They are very clever, especially in my opinion Gramsci.
Their disease spread right throughout the universties of the western world
and practically every schoolteacher, public servant, journalist, or media
operator of every kind is riddle with the influence. It is so thorough that
any one of them won't even know the background to their schooling.
The first opportunity the German carriers of the disease got was after the
war when they were sent back over to Germany to De-Nazify the teachers and
get Nazis out of the public service. Actually it wasn't all that
successfull and was discontinued after a couple of years. The Ameicans
needed them to counteract Communism . Brilliant don't you think..we
should have blasted *them* in the first place. Churchills brilliant mind
you see :)
But the occupation forces made sure the laws were changed so the flag and
other symbols, and marching on streets, was against the law.
So, its not really Marx pulling the strings now. It's the result of his
failure. But those who hate capitalism have used Gramsci's idea of of using
silicon coating on words to polish them and get the breakdown of traditional
society without the mass of people knowing what happened to them. They
have succeeded in the face of Orwell's warning. Absolute tragedy.
Serge
"futureworlds" <nob...@mail.futureworlds.it> wrote in message
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>
> that, following the collapse of the Berlin Wall, the last
> genuine communist cells were to be found in Beverly Hills,
> the BBC and the staffrooms of any Western university. Marx
> remains the true puppet-master behind almost all
> postmodernist initiatives, including the growing antagonism
> and contempt for Christianity and organised religion of all
> kinds.
The growing contempt for Christianity and all organised
religion has nothing to do with Marx.
People with open minds can see that religion is the root cause
of most of the suffering and misery in the world today.
Look at the endemic paedophilia in the Christian religion for
example.
Marx was right about one thing. Religion IS the opium of the
masses.
A crutch for those with little or no self esteem.
Recognise yourself nobody?
RT
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MiGawd - sorry! - I didn't realise you were a bishop, Serge! Pumped up a
few choir boys this week, have you?
Ned Latham
More politics. Nothing relevant to act-b.
Piss off, troll.
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Frank F. Matthews
knows nothing of what he writes. While it is possible that there is an
occasional Marxist or communist in a Western university I haven't met
any after spending 45 years as a student and staff member. I have heard
of some at places that I've been but never had a chance to meet one. I
suspect that I do know a communist slightly but he is a british
politician and even he may simply be sympathetic rather than an actual
communist.
futureworlds wrote:
> First rate. Giles Auty has the arts back ground that means he
> knows where those pretentious
> twats are coming from and why they are so very wrong. A bit long
> but worth the effort.
>
> Here is a bit. Is he wrong?
Stan Pierce
> People with open minds can see that religion is the root cause
> of most of the suffering and misery in the world today.
Not the cause Serge, the result. The misery was in the primitive mind
trying to cope with starvation and endless privation. Religion is the mind
seeking answers. The mind was making connections that wasn't necessarilly
true but *seemed* to be true. We still do it :)
Then the connections get passed on and become habit. That becomes '
organised' religion as we know it.
Root causes of religion go way back to the reptillian part of our brain for
survival. This is the reason we use it to create unity against enemies.
The Frankfurt School of religion is now in the ascendent. Political
abstractions taking the place of traditional primitive metaphysics .. 'The
World Community'.
It is causing just as much misery Serge in it endless contention. And it
has no saving grace about it. No beauty, no art, no music in its soul. It
will not create a mind like Shakespeare's or build cathedrals to wonder at.
fasgnadh
> "futureworlds" <nob...@mail.futureworlds.it> wrote in message
> news:5f0433b880282aad...@mail.futureworlds.it...
>
> It was a crowd of Universty lecturers in Germany, and
> Gramsci in Italy, who realised that Marx was failing to ignite
> anti-capitalist revolt in Europe. Hitler was on to them though and they
> were for the chop.
Fascinating how Nazi's such as Stan think, ..for 'realising
that Marx was failing to ignite an anti-capitalist revolt'
intellectuals are 'for the chop', and neither Stan nor
his hero Hitler are shy about the deadly brutality with
which they want to deliver it;
# From: "Stan Pierce" <spi...@bigpond.net.au>
# Newsgroups: aus.politics,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.usa
# Subject: Re: A Jewish view of Christians.
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# Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 02:22:31 GMT
#
#
# "As for being a nazi sympathiser, it took me nearly fifty years to
# become sympathetic towards Hitler. " - Stan Pierce.
# " I was told a story many years ago that Hitler cleared the streets of
# Germany by having motor vans that cruised the streets throwing gypsies
# and nere-do- wells into the back...then turned on a tap that tranfered
# the exhaust gases into them. Never found out if it was true, but it's
# tempting.
#
- Stan Sturm'n'Drang Pierce.
..
> They are very clever, especially in my opinion Gramsci.
>
All the more reason for Nazi's to fear and persecute them.
Stan is a a classic example of why a little knowledgs can
be a dangerous thing, he knows they are smarter than him,
so the only way for him to "win" is to avoid rational debate
in favour of murder.
...
> ..we should have blasted *them* in the first place.
Gee Stan, how long did the Thousand year Retch last again?
Less than a decade, leaving Germany in ruins and millions dead?
It must really piss you off to see that your beliefs were the
greatest failure of the 20th century.
You Nazi's are really fucking S-L-O-W L-E-A-R-N-E-R-S !
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fasgnadh
> If the description of what he wrote (was it a quote???) is correct he
> knows nothing of what he writes. While it is possible that there is an
> occasional Marxist or communist in a Western university I haven't met
> any after spending 45 years as a student and staff member. I have heard
> of some at places that I've been but never had a chance to meet one. I
> suspect that I do know a communist slightly but he is a british
> politician and even he may simply be sympathetic rather than an actual
> communist.
>
Despite Capitalist triumphalism, so widely recognised
that the Pope warned against it's potential for hubris,
(just before Bush and the Coalition of Warmongers demonstrated
why that warning was necessary), fascists like futileworlds and
Stan Stormtrooper have convinced themselves that a vast communist
conspiracy actually, if invisably, rules the world! B^D
How else could they explain their rejection by the mainstream? B^)
The truth is, Capitalism rules, although it is everywhere
severing it's links to freedom and democracy in response
to fear and hysteria.
Osama's terror has been the most effective influence in shaping
reaction, especially in the USSA, where even conservatives are
warning that a neo-fascist response to terror is a greater threat
than the piddling terrorists attacks so far.
After the next major attack, watch how quickly remaining
rights and freedoms are jettisoned by politicians who
are adept at manipulating fear as the past Nazis.
And the outcome will be just as disasterous, as Bush's
assaults not just on rights, but on the environment, portend.
The coming elections are a vital opportunity to stem that trend.
The Enlightenment
There is actualy an article in the June 2004 edition of Quadrant on
the infiltration of the Australian Universities.
The Whole Issue is actualy titled "The Recovery of the Universities",
after an article by Bob Catley and Windshuttle has an article on "The
Language Wars"
The impresion that Catly gives is that they may be on the way out.
The Enlightenment
> news:5f0433b880282aad...@mail.futureworlds.it...
> >
> > When I was living in England, a popular cultural joke was
> > that, following the collapse of the Berlin Wall, the last
> > genuine communist cells were to be found in Beverly Hills,
> > the BBC and the staffrooms of any Western university. Marx
> > remains the true puppet-master behind almost all
> > postmodernist initiatives, including the growing antagonism
> > and contempt for Christianity and organised religion of all
> > kinds.
>
>
> The growing contempt for Christianity and all organised
> religion has nothing to do with Marx.
>
> People with open minds can see that religion is the root cause
> of most of the suffering and misery in the world today.
>
> Look at the endemic paedophilia in the Christian religion for
> example.
There is probably less within the Christian religion than without.
Unfortunatley sexual predators congregate towards children.
>
> Marx was right about one thing. Religion IS the opium of the
> masses.
It wasn't Marx's saying. he was actualy only paraphrasing an english
churchman. Can't remember whom.
>
> A crutch for those with little or no self esteem.
>
> Recognise yourself nobody?
All societies have religions. They normalised, rationalised,
propagated the rules and coventions that made the cohesion we needed
to survive and have a society possible.
Marxists and Socialist had a different vision. ( a faith in effect)
They wanted create a new order and to do that they realised that they
had to destroy the existing one. Hence their attack on the
institutional pilars of western society. (The word 'subversive is
still a compliment to a marxist artist). Christianity was one of
those.
At the same time people like Theordore Herzl (the founder of modern
Zionism) encouraged Jews to support socialism as it destroyed the
existing order and that could only be good for Jews as the existing
order was oppresive.
Communism and Judaism were to become closely entwined.
Marxist lenist Theory held that the worker, unlike the craftsmen, was
alienated from the means of production. This alienation would
eventualy lead to the motivation for a revolution.
Only it didn't happen. No one supported the revolutions after WWI.
Not even the Germans supported Rosa Luxembourg and Bela Kuhn(Kohen) of
Hungary were thrown out.
The reason was worked out by Marxists Gramsci, Marcuse, Adarno and
Walter Benjamin.
The alienation from the means of production was not enough. They
would have to subvert the institutions of the west. people found to
much confort in them.
This was the task of the marxist and becuase of mass printing and
media it was possible.
A neo-barbarism was needed.
Not only the church but also sexual mores came under attack. Liberal
arts and Anthropology became rapidly infested. Marriage was
attacked, the white male pathologised and endless agit prop appeared.
People of color and their art was somhow better than that of dead
white males.
A pretty good summary here:
bos...@yahoo.com
<nob...@mail.futureworlds.it> wrote:
>Here is a bit. Is he wrong?
>When I was living in England, a popular cultural joke was that,
>following the collapse of the Berlin Wall, the last genuine
>communist
>cells were to be found in Beverly Hills, the BBC and the
>staffrooms of
>any Western university. Marx remains the true puppet-master
>behind
>almost all postmodernist initiatives, including the growing
>antagonism
>and contempt for Christianity and organised religion of all
>kinds.
The Liberal bourgeoisie is the puppet-master of post-modernism.
If anything, it is more friendly to Christianity than Marxism, if only
because post-modernism denies there is science.
http://www.etext.org/Politics/MIM/faq/science.html
See what communists say about that above.
Ned Latham
in <db64d59.04052...@posting.google.com>:
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(Some other shit too, but hey... no loss.)
Eunometic
> knows nothing of what he writes. While it is possible that there is an
> occasional Marxist or communist in a Western university I haven't met
> any after spending 45 years as a student and staff member. I have heard
> of some at places that I've been but never had a chance to meet one. I
> suspect that I do know a communist slightly but he is a british
> politician and even he may simply be sympathetic rather than an actual
> communist.
>
> futureworlds wrote:
The term marxist is so dirtied that few in polite or party company
would own up to it anymore. There are plenty in academe: history
departments, sociology, arts, gender study that practice it though.
There are plently of publications around lauding or citing it. A few
posters on this newgroup have lauded it.
What matters is not whether they are ashamed to call themselves
Marxist but whether they share its methods and visions and are in
effect Marxists side stepping a name with a baggage of genocide and
social and economic failure attached.
Today it has naturaly evolved and calls itself "post modernism" or
"critical theory" and has transformed into "gender studies" or forms
of ethno-marxism.
Class stuggle, which had some basis in reality, has been replaced by
the hyped up struggle of gender (homo, pre and post op male to female
female to male) and race (diversity). Hence in the USA, UK, Sth
Africa and now Brazil we are seeing Whites disenfranchised by
affirmitive action; often by maladpated recent immigrants.
Soon it will be Australia as well.
Marxists reframe them selves as Green-Leftists. (they care little
about the ecology, they just need something to be superior about).
This is becuase communism is the God that failed and they need to
coallesce their lifestyle around some other cause they are pig
ignorant of.
Many of the Internationalists have become globalisationists and the
elite classes find that they can rule just as well by putting on the
cloak of diversity and multiculturalism while meritocracy robs the
working true blues and working classes of natural leaders.