The Picture of Elizabeth II
Serge
As Australia's Head of State, the Queen's portrait insolently appears on our
currency, a ludicrous situation I grant you, and one which is anathema to an
avowed republican such as myself.
However, be that as it may, when receiving some coins in change recently I
paused to examine the Queen's portrait more closely. One coin was minted in
1998 but she didn't look a day over 30, all the other coins were similarly
afflicted. I immediately checked the notes in my wallet and was aghast to
discover that here to, she didn't look a day over 30. Her portrait was
perfect in every detail, ageless no blemishes or wrinkles, no spots. It was
almost as if time had stood still.
It put me in mind of Wilde's "The Picture of Dorian Gray" but with the
central theme going terribly wrong.
Instead of the portrait becoming hideously grotesque and disgusting over the
years whilst the subject remained flawless. Here we had the opposite. The
portrait was flawless whilst the subject became hideously grotesque and
disgusting.
An epiphany?
Yes, but it stood out like dogs balls on a hot day!
Serge.
Paul C. Dickie
<serg...@one.net.au> writes
>An epiphany?
>Yes, but it stood out like dogs balls on a hot day!
I'll have to take your word for that, Serge. Unlike you, I don't go
round inspecting canine gonads...
But I'm astounded that you'd really stoop so low...
--
< Paul >
ralph
wrote:
Wow - if you think the modern portrait of the Queen, bloated and all,
is flawless and makes her look only 30, I shudder to think what the
woman you are attracted to must look like ;-)
a.spencer3
Surreyman
Paul C. Dickie <p...@bozzie.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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hippo
"Serge" wrote in message
You would prefer a shriveled prune while I remember the picture of HM at her
coronation. The gentlemen of the mint have taken a middle course to satisfy
us both. -the Troll
Mango
"Serge" <serg...@one.net.au> wrote in message
news:6xlo7.5504$iH4.3...@ozemail.com.au...
>
> As Australia's Head of State, the Queen's portrait insolently appears on
our
> currency, a ludicrous situation I grant you, and one which is anathema to
an
> avowed republican such as myself.
>
> However, be that as it may, when receiving some coins in change recently I
> paused to examine the Queen's portrait more closely. One coin was minted
in
> 1998 but she didn't look a day over 30, all the other coins were similarly
> afflicted. I immediately checked the notes in my wallet and was aghast to
> discover that here to, she didn't look a day over 30. Her portrait was
> perfect in every detail, ageless no blemishes or wrinkles, no spots. It
was
> almost as if time had stood still.
>
You must have diferent coins to me. Mine show wrinkles on the forehead and
neck and a double chin.
ant
our
> currency, a ludicrous situation I grant you, and one which is anathema to
an
> avowed republican such as myself.
>
> However, be that as it may, when receiving some coins in change recently I
> paused to examine the Queen's portrait more closely. One coin was minted
in
> 1998 but she didn't look a day over 30, all the other coins were similarly
> afflicted. I immediately checked the notes in my wallet and was aghast to
> discover that here to, she didn't look a day over 30. Her portrait was
> perfect in every detail, ageless no blemishes or wrinkles, no spots. It
was
> almost as if time had stood still.
>
checks coinc, one minted in 73, another in 89 and the final one in 99.
pretty clear progression of age on the portraits, those being representative
of the three different portraits used when minting our coins, the 73 is
youthfull as the day it was first inscribed by the artist shortly after the
coronation, then we have the 89 updated version with the larger crown,
deinfately an older face, then onto the 99 coin witht he new protrait and a
return to the smaller crown from the 73 coins, nice signs of age on her
face.
so in conclusion its clear that yo dont have a clue what you are talking
about.
ant
Lilibet
I say, this REALLY is becoming most tedious.
Why do my subjects continue to treat me with such utter contempt?
I'm particularly annoyed with that wretched Colonial scoundrel Serge for
continually posting offensive comments.
His latest post has Mother inconsolable, and my poor dear Husband apoplectic
with rage.
If there were some truth to his assertion:
"Instead of the portrait becoming hideously grotesque and disgusting over
the years, whilst the subject remained flawless. Here we had the opposite.
The portrait was flawless whilst the subject became hideously grotesque and
disgusting."
. . . then he may have had a point, no matter how rude, but it is an obvious
slander.
Every Friday night after Philip's weekly bath he comes to my bedchamber and
tells me how attractive he thinks I am.
I feel I may have to unleash Lord Such onto this insufferable fellow so that
he too will be forced into exile like Karen Horn, Annie Facstaff, Ppill and
the soon to follow Adrienne, the Australian hayseed and Sacha that totally
amoral and unprincipled 'business' woman.
I'm indebted to Lord Such for cleaning up my beloved 'alt.gossip.royalty'
and pray he will do the same with 'alt.history.british'.
Lilibet
"Serge" <serg...@one.net.au> wrote in message
news:M8rE6.5906$EQ3.2...@ozemail.com.au...
>
> As Australia's Head of State, the Queen's portrait insolently appears on
> our currency, a ludicrous situation I grant you, and one which is anathema
> to an avowed republican such as myself.
>
> However, be that as it may, when receiving some coins in change recently I
> paused to examine the Queen's portrait more closely. One coin was minted
> in 1998 but she didn't look a day over 30, all the other coins were
> similarly afflicted. I immediately checked the notes in my wallet and was
> aghast to discover that here to, she didn't look a day over 30. Her
> portrait was perfect in every detail, ageless no blemishes or wrinkles, no
> spots. It was almost as if time had stood still.
>
> It put me in mind of Wilde's "The Picture of Dorian Gray" but with the
> central theme going terribly wrong.
>
> Instead of the portrait becoming hideously grotesque
> and disgusting over the years, whilst the subject remained flawless. Here
> we had the opposite.
>
> The portrait was flawless whilst the subject became hideously grotesque
> and disgusting over the years.
Jack Butler
http://www.altairiv.demon.co.uk/troll/trollfaq.html
All it seeks is your response.
Please Dont Feed The Troll.
scoff
Ausies slagging off our Queen ... Mmmm could it be a troll...
Kate <kateN...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 14 Sep 2001 20:09:18 +0100, "Jack Butler"
> <ja...@thecrossroads.com> wrote from aus.politics:
> Who is a Troll? How am I supposed to not feed one if I don't know
> they are one?
> ---
>
> Kate
Tony Hancock
"Kate" <kateN...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 14 Sep 2001 20:09:18 +0100, "Jack Butler"
> <ja...@thecrossroads.com> wrote from aus.politics:
> they are one?
A pretty safe rule of thumb at the moment: anything crossposted between
aus.politics & a US newsgroup is a troll or a response to a troll.
hippo
"Kate" wrote in message
> "scoff" wrote from aus.politics:
> >Generally the subject matter and the theme of the thread would give it
away!
> >Ausies slagging off our Queen ... Mmmm could it be a troll...
>
> Well it could be. But are suggesting that all aussies give a care
> about the british royalty? I hardly believe that..
Actually we trolls are much maligned, especially by news group posters who
use the word 'troll' in a too casual manner with total disregard for our
feelings. -the Troll
John Kane
> "Serge" <serg...@one.net.au> wrote in message
> news:6xlo7.5504$iH4.3...@ozemail.com.au...
> >
> > As Australia's Head of State, the Queen's portrait insolently appears on
> our
> > currency, a ludicrous situation I grant you, and one which is anathema to
> an
> > avowed republican such as myself.
> >
> > However, be that as it may, when receiving some coins in change recently I
> > paused to examine the Queen's portrait more closely. One coin was minted
> in
> > 1998 but she didn't look a day over 30, all the other coins were similarly
> > afflicted. I immediately checked the notes in my wallet and was aghast to
> > discover that here to, she didn't look a day over 30. Her portrait was
> > perfect in every detail, ageless no blemishes or wrinkles, no spots. It
> was
> > almost as if time had stood still.
> >
>
> You must have diferent coins to me. Mine show wrinkles on the forehead and
> neck and a double chin.
Mine don't but it is definately a older Queen. My coin is 1990. Serge, check
your date again.
>
>
> > It put me in mind of Wilde's "The Picture of Dorian Gray" but with the
> > central theme going terribly wrong.
> >
> > Instead of the portrait becoming hideously grotesque and disgusting over
> the
> > years whilst the subject remained flawless. Here we had the opposite. The
> > portrait was flawless whilst the subject became hideously grotesque and
> > disgusting.
> >
> > An epiphany?
> >
> > Yes, but it stood out like dogs balls on a hot day!
> >
> > Serge.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
--
------------------
John Kane
The Rideau Lakes, Ontario Canada
Jerome Gregory
Does that make you a troll then, Girlyman Handcock, considering you
cross-post into aus.flame for the specific purpose of starting
flame wars?
J.
hippo
"Kate" wrote in message
"hippo" wrote
> >Actually we trolls are much maligned, especially by news group posters
who
> >use the word 'troll' in a too casual manner with total disregard for our
> >feelings. -the Troll
> I feel so very sorry for you. I think they've treated you most
> dreadfully.
Too true, too true. As if the cold water, passing sewage and overhead
traffic were not enough, our good name has been adopted to describe a human
with bad Usenet habits. Dreadful is just the word. -the Troll
PW
am just popping through this newsgroup (alt.history.british, but I see it is
on aus.politics also) and certainly wont want to get involved in discussions
on republicanism in Australia as:
1) My primary post is to alt.history.british (but I thought the original
poster may be interested in my reply). Anyway my server does not get
aus.politics.
2) I have no real right to an opinion as I dont live in Australia and I
defend your right to decide for yourself.
Anyway, back to the story, in the UK the queens portrait on the coins has
been changed at least 3 times during the years. The first was for the 1971
decimalisation with the other two taking place since (the last quite
recently). The present picture is a far better refection of her current age
than that found on the coins of other states who currently share the same
monarch. I cant give dates as I live in neither the UK or Oz and dont have
any coins at hand to study. However, I can say that wrinkles abound!!
Phil Woodall
"hippo" <hi...@southsudan.net> a écrit dans le message news:
IDno7.12861$xB1.3...@news1.rdc1.tn.home.com...
Serge
"Lilibet" <lil...@buck.pal.uk> wrote in message
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>
> I say, this REALLY is becoming most tedious.
>
> Why do my subjects continue to treat me with such utter contempt?
>
> I'm particularly annoyed with that wretched Colonial scoundrel Serge for
> continually posting offensive comments.
>
> His latest post has Mother inconsolable, and my poor dear Husband
> apoplectic with rage.
>
> If there were some truth to his assertion:
>
> "Instead of the portrait becoming hideously grotesque and disgusting over
> the years, whilst the subject remained flawless. Here we had the opposite.
> The portrait was flawless whilst the subject became hideously grotesque
> and disgusting."
>
> . . . then he may have had a point, no matter how rude, but it is an
> obvious slander.
>
> Every Friday night after Philip's weekly bath he comes to my bedchamber
> and tells me how attractive he thinks I am.
>
> I feel I may have to unleash Lord Such onto this insufferable fellow so
that
> he too will be forced into exile like Karen Horn, Annie Facstaff, Ppill
and
> the soon to follow Adrienne, the Australian hayseed and Sacha that totally
> amoral and unprincipled 'business' woman.
>
> I'm indebted to Lord Such for cleaning up my beloved 'alt.gossip.royalty'
> and pray he will do the same with 'alt.history.british'.
>
> Lilibet
Listen you stupid, dull-witted, senile old cow.
Are you BLIND as well as stupid.
Don't you know that Lord Such is a good personal friend of mine.
Are you dyslectic, you steaming, disgusting, filthy old toe-rag, why don't
you READ some of his posts. He hates your guts, he's only taking the piss
when he swears his loyalty. He wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire.
You make George the 3rd look like a bloody rocket scientist, if you weren't
an accident of birth you'd be mucking out shit houses for a living.
Serge.
Tony Hancock
A snivelling steroid addled retard furiously wanking away behind
"Jerome Gregory" <jero...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ca818bee.01091...@posting.google.com...
> Does that make you a troll then,
You'll have to figure that out for yourself, Mr "I can spot a troll a mile
away".
> Girlyman Handcock, considering you
> cross-post into aus.flame for the specific purpose of starting
> flame wars?
<sarcasm> Is that all it takes to start a flame war? crosspost to aus.flame.
Shit, I've been doing it the hard way all these years. </sarcasm>
aus.flame is the appropriate group for flame and especially flame wars that
have drifted way off the topic of the newsgroup in which it started. Hence
the saying "take it to flame". Your insistence on spamming aus.politics with
your off-topic drivel has been noted, troll.
> J.
Cheers
Tony Hancock
--
"I just emailed kob...@hotxxxmail.com and it bounced lying coward
and forger. I am currently researching US laws on forgery."
- Jerome Gregory in alt.fan.david-bowie on 14/4/01
Lilibet
>
> Listen you stupid, dull-witted, senile old cow.
>
> Are you BLIND as well as stupid.
>
> Don't you know that Lord Such is a good personal friend of mine.
>
> Are you dyslectic, you steaming, disgusting, filthy old toe-rag, why don't
> you READ some of his posts. He hates your guts, he's only taking the piss
> when he swears his loyalty. He wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire.
>
> You make George the 3rd look like a bloody rocket scientist, if you
weren't
> an accident of birth you'd be mucking out shit houses for a living.
>
> Serge.
This is an obvious slander against by stalwart and Defender of the Crown,
Lord Such.
I refuse to be drawn, in what is an obvious attempt to cause friction
between us. Lord Such is, and continues to be, my strength. He is the
complete gentleman and a credit to his gender.
You Sir are a bounder and a cad.
Lilibet.
hippo
"Kate" wrote in message
> "hippo" wrote
> >Too true, too true. As if the cold water, passing sewage and overhead
> >traffic were not enough, our good name has been adopted to describe a
human
> >with bad Usenet habits. Dreadful is just the word. -the Troll
>
> I think we should all share one sekrit about ourselves for you to
> taunt and mock us with. just to make up for a little of the shame
> we've put you thru.
>
> I'll let them start tho if it's all the same to you.
Alas we trolls have been in contact with humans long enough to have an
intimate knowledge of all their foibles. Silence is better. Thanks for the
kind intentions. -the Troll
hippo
"Kate" wrote in message
> "hippo" wrote
> Oh? We should ignore you then?
I've been doing it for years and it has worked for me. -the Troll
hippo
"Kate" wrote in message
> "hippo" wrote from aus.politics:
> You must be the kind of troll that elicits empathy. I just feel so
> *sorry* for you. Are you *sure* you wouldn't like to upset me somehow?
Heaven forbid. We bona fide Trolls have been out of the human-upsetting
business since at least the late middle ages. When you see bad mannered
Usenet behavior it is not one of us at all, but rather a small minded and
juvenile human posing as one of us. The last Troll cast out of the
Trollverein for human-upsetting was Ing the Sveatroll who had to move bridge
to a very smelly spot in the Seine as a consequence in 1347. We do not
tolerate that kind of thing at all. -the Troll
John Kane
> On Sun, 16 Sep 2001 12:41:17 GMT, "hippo" <hi...@southsudan.net> wrote
> from aus.politics:
> <giggles uncontrollably>
>
> Thank you so much for the troll history lesson. I've learned ever so
> much. Anytime you'd like to tell more Troll Stories, I'd love to hear
> them. =)
> --
>
> Kate
Well Kate, normally one should not feed trolls this is another matter. Bring
on more Troll stories!
I almost had tears in my eyes hearing Troll's problems. And I doubt the local
housing authority has much in the way of bridges :( I may have a decent rural
bridge that he might consider but the Canadian climate can be a problem. Icing.
hippo
"John Kane" wrote in message
> Kate wrote:
Humph, one can tell you humans need instruction in the ways of Trolls. Icing
has never been a problem for us. Cousin Gudmund has been quite happy just
south of Winnipeg for centuries. Humans there make holes in the ice which
saves him the trouble. He has found that by putting fish on the little hooks
they drop through these holes encourages this behavior. You can see how very
knowledgeable we have become about humans. Rural is a good thing too now we
have moved from the cities altogether (excepting old Ing Sveatroll who is
still suffering in the Parisian sewage for frightening poor little Annalisa
Svensdotter in the fourteenth century). -the Troll
hippo
"Kate" wrote in message
> "hippo" wrote from aus.politics:
> >Humph, one can tell you humans need instruction in the ways of Trolls.
Icing
> >has never been a problem for us. Cousin Gudmund has been quite happy just
> >south of Winnipeg for centuries. Humans there make holes in the ice which
> >saves him the trouble. He has found that by putting fish on the little
hooks
> >they drop through these holes encourages this behavior. You can see how
very
> >knowledgeable we have become about humans. Rural is a good thing too now
we
> >have moved from the cities altogether (excepting old Ing Sveatroll who is
> >still suffering in the Parisian sewage for frightening poor little
Annalisa
> >Svensdotter in the fourteenth century). -the Troll
>
> lol.. I do believe some trolls are *good* things now. But what else do
> you do? Are you just hanging about in this one thread then? Or are you
> busy elsewhere as well? =)
All real Trolls are good lately. In the first place none wants to keep old
Ing company where he lives out the last few centuries of his wretched life
among the descendants of Charlemagne. We Trolls have a unique perspective
'from underneath' as you humans say. We are also good being now so few in
number as the old books and stories you have written about us become old,
yellow and ragged, and are gradually thrown away. We live, you see, in these
old stories and are going out of fashion as they do. -the Troll
John Kane
Ice fishermen! I knew there must be some reason for their bizarre behaviour!
Lured by trolls !
Any relations in Lake Simcoe? Still I am willing to look into available bridges
as required.
John Kane
> On Sun, 16 Sep 2001 17:26:50 GMT, "hippo" <hi...@southsudan.net> wrote
> from aus.politics:
>
> >Humph, one can tell you humans need instruction in the ways of Trolls. Icing
> >has never been a problem for us. Cousin Gudmund has been quite happy just
> >south of Winnipeg for centuries. Humans there make holes in the ice which
> >saves him the trouble. He has found that by putting fish on the little hooks
> >they drop through these holes encourages this behavior. You can see how very
> >knowledgeable we have become about humans. Rural is a good thing too now we
> >have moved from the cities altogether (excepting old Ing Sveatroll who is
> >still suffering in the Parisian sewage for frightening poor little Annalisa
> >Svensdotter in the fourteenth century). -the Troll
>
> lol.. I do believe some trolls are *good* things now. But what else do
> you do? Are you just hanging about in this one thread then? Or are you
> busy elsewhere as well? =)
> --
>
> Kate
No, no, Kate Troll and trolls are different things. Troll is a respectable
building inspector in Missisauga Ontario ( actually he lives under a bridge on
the 401 near the local airport) We must guard against trolls who don't even
have their own bridges.
--
Andrew Chaplin
> Cousin Gudmund has been quite happy just
> south of Winnipeg for centuries.
That would put him in pretty exclusive company; that area is
horrendous for flooding. :-)
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)
John Kane
> On Sun, 16 Sep 2001 18:00:14 +0000, John Kane <jka...@sympatico.ca>
> wrote from aus.politics:
> >Kate wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, 16 Sep 2001 17:26:50 GMT, "hippo" <hi...@southsudan.net> wrote
> >> from aus.politics:
> >>
> >> >Humph, one can tell you humans need instruction in the ways of Trolls. Icing
> >> >has never been a problem for us. Cousin Gudmund has been quite happy just
> >> >south of Winnipeg for centuries. Humans there make holes in the ice which
> >> >saves him the trouble. He has found that by putting fish on the little hooks
> >> >they drop through these holes encourages this behavior. You can see how very
> >> >knowledgeable we have become about humans. Rural is a good thing too now we
> >> >have moved from the cities altogether (excepting old Ing Sveatroll who is
> >> >still suffering in the Parisian sewage for frightening poor little Annalisa
> >> >Svensdotter in the fourteenth century). -the Troll
> >>
> >> lol.. I do believe some trolls are *good* things now. But what else do
> >> you do? Are you just hanging about in this one thread then? Or are you
> >> busy elsewhere as well? =)
>
> >No, no, Kate Troll and trolls are different things. Troll is a respectable
> >building inspector in Missisauga Ontario ( actually he lives under a bridge on
> >the 401 near the local airport) We must guard against trolls who don't even
> >have their own bridges.
>
> Uh.. ok. Do you mean he isn't a real troll?
>
> <devastated>
> --
>
> Kate
Oh course he is a real 'Troll', don't despair ! He's been around forever. Perhaps
he can tell us about the building of the London Bridge( all mod cons) before he
moved to Missiaauga to enjoy central heating and double-glased windows. He just is
not a troll, thank heavens.
John Kane
> hippo wrote:
>
> > Cousin Gudmund has been quite happy just
> > south of Winnipeg for centuries.
>
> That would put him in pretty exclusive company; that area is
> horrendous for flooding. :-)
>
Nonsense IIRC it only floods one or two (well maybe three) times a
year. Besides Trolls apparently 'like' water. Gudmund is probably a
mayor somewhere south of Winnipeg. Ohio or North Dekota perhaps or maybe
the Pas?
--
Charles Dyer
(in message <N51p7.20337$xB1.5...@news1.rdc1.tn.home.com>):
> Heaven forbid. We bona fide Trolls have been out of the human-upsetting
> business since at least the late middle ages. When you see bad mannered
> Usenet behavior it is not one of us at all, but rather a small minded and
> juvenile human posing as one of us. The last Troll cast out of the
> Trollverein for human-upsetting was Ing the Sveatroll who had to move bridge
> to a very smelly spot in the Seine
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Redundant.
> as a consequence in 1347. We do not
> tolerate that kind of thing at all. -the Troll
--
Newsweek on tradenames:
Microsoft is a bad tradename. Micro and soft... needs Viagra.
John Kane
> On Sun, 16 Sep 2001 21:35:15 +0000, John Kane <jka...@sympatico.ca>
> >Oh course he is a real 'Troll', don't despair ! He's been around forever. Perhaps
> >he can tell us about the building of the London Bridge( all mod cons) before he
> >moved to Missiaauga to enjoy central heating and double-glased windows. He just is
> >not a troll, thank heavens.
>
> Ok. What is the difference between a Troll and a troll then? They are
> the same thing minus one capital letter afaik.
>
Ah but that is the difference! Troll (Hippo) is a long term resident in this group and
much more knowledgeable then I am.. Actually AFAIK Troll is a Sig just as my Sig says
Rideau Lakes, albeit the lakes exist. And very nice they are too. I am not sure
Troll lives under a bridge.
On the other hand a troll ( notice the lower case) is someone to posts often idiotic
posts to annoy the regular members of a newsgroup, ( Anybody have a decent
definition?) but who is often just close enough to reality to provoke a response. D.
Spencer Hines is one of these. He occasionally posts something that makes sense, for
example one or two of his recent comments on security makes good sense. However
usually most of his postings are nonsensical or just insulting but not so insulting
etc. that an ISP would cancel his access.
It is hard to give an example but in soc.history. mediaeval one might say that Richard
III was an xxx and wait for the response!! No really, I did not say it, honest!! .
In a nutty group I read 'talk.politics.guns" one might suggest that all citizens should
be totally forbidden to carry firearms. These statements tend to elicit replies :)
I hope this is of some help, Just as they say 'Remember Google is your Friend' you
can say "the Troll is not a troll"
hippo
"John Kane" wrote in message
> hippo wrote:
> Ice fishermen! I knew there must be some reason for their bizarre
behaviour!
> Lured by trolls !
> Any relations in Lake Simcoe? Still I am willing to look into available
bridges
> as required.
We do not think these hole cutters know they are being helpful. We think
they are capturing fish in much the same way they do in summers. Although we
have learned much, often human behavior is unfathomable. A rural bridge
would be very nice. I prefer stone ones because they are less noisy, but it
must have electrics so as to make this machine work. It is the only way we
can communicate with humans in these modern times now that you can no longer
see us. -the Troll
hippo
"John Kane" wrote in message
> Andrew Chaplin wrote:
>
> > hippo wrote:
> >
> > > Cousin Gudmund has been quite happy just
> > > south of Winnipeg for centuries.
> >
> > That would put him in pretty exclusive company; that area is
> > horrendous for flooding. :-)
> >
>
> Nonsense IIRC it only floods one or two (well maybe three) times a
> year. Besides Trolls apparently 'like' water. Gudmund is probably a
> mayor somewhere south of Winnipeg. Ohio or North Dekota perhaps or maybe
> the Pas?
We certainly like water so flooding is not a problem. Gudmund is a famous
smith and once made a sword for Harald Fairhair himself. Swords are not much
in demand these days around Winnipeg except among the PPCLI and children who
are not permitted to have them. He made one for a young Captain recently but
we didn't tell him from whom it came. He will only know it was Troll made
when he finds it vanquishes more of his enemies than either his hockey stick
or his rifle. -the Troll
hippo
"John Kane" wrote in message
[snip]
> > >Oh course he is a real 'Troll', don't despair ! He's been around
forever. Perhaps
> > >he can tell us about the building of the London Bridge( all mod cons)
before he
> > >moved to Missiaauga to enjoy central heating and double-glased
windows. He just is
> > >not a troll, thank heavens.
Hmmmm I thought that is what I have been saying all this while (except for
the Missiaauga, central heating and double-glazed window parts). Naturally I
know all about London Bridge, all of them. We do pass on stories of our
travels you know, and I have a picture book that dried out quite nicely and
shows what a bridge looks like from the top. We see them quite differently
as you might imagine.
> >
> > Ok. What is the difference between a Troll and a troll then? They are
> > the same thing minus one capital letter afaik.
> >
>
> Ah but that is the difference! Troll (Hippo) is a long term resident in
this group and
> much more knowledgeable then I am.. Actually AFAIK Troll is a Sig just as
my Sig says
> Rideau Lakes, albeit the lakes exist. And very nice they are too. I am
not sure
> Troll lives under a bridge.
And where else, fine sir, would a Troll live? They are your finest
achievement you know. Things were not at all comfortable for us before you
learned to make them.
> On the other hand a troll ( notice the lower case) is someone to posts
often idiotic
> posts to annoy the regular members of a newsgroup, ( Anybody have a
decent
> definition?) but who is often just close enough to reality to provoke a
response. D.
> Spencer Hines is one of these. He occasionally posts something that makes
sense, for
> example one or two of his recent comments on security makes good sense.
However
> usually most of his postings are nonsensical or just insulting but not so
insulting
> etc. that an ISP would cancel his access.
>
> It is hard to give an example but in soc.history. mediaeval one might say
that Richard
> III was an xxx and wait for the response!! No really, I did not say it,
honest!! .
> In a nutty group I read 'talk.politics.guns" one might suggest that all
citizens should
> be totally forbidden to carry firearms. These statements tend to elicit
replies :)
>
>
> I hope this is of some help, Just as they say 'Remember Google is your
Friend' you
> can say "the Troll is not a troll"
Thank you sir. It is my pleasure to recognize human understanding which is
sadly lacking these days more often than not, especially when it comes to
Trolls. -the Troll
hippo
"Charles Dyer" wrote in message
> hippo
> > Heaven forbid. We bona fide Trolls have been out of the human-upsetting
> > business since at least the late middle ages. When you see bad mannered
> > Usenet behavior it is not one of us at all, but rather a small minded
and
> > juvenile human posing as one of us. The last Troll cast out of the
> > Trollverein for human-upsetting was Ing the Sveatroll who had to move
bridge
> > to a very smelly spot in the Seine
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Redundant.
It is. I put it in just in case fair Kate had not been there in person. -the
Troll
John Kane
Stone? That could be a problem in this area. I can only think of one in the
area and it may be occupied. Much of what we have available is steel &
concrete or steel and wood. No problem with electricity in most cases. We
probably can find a modest (100 ft) wood and iron bridge with electricity with
no problem. I have to call a real estate agent sometime this week - I'll see
if he has anything on the books.
A problem though, is that at least one of them that I am thinking about has
significant boat traffic in the summer, not to mention the occasional fishing
boat trolling off-shore. Is that a problem?
--
John Kane
> On Sun, 16 Sep 2001 23:32:07 +0000, John Kane <jka...@sympatico.ca>
> So you are telling me that he is telling me tales is that it? tsk..
>
> > On the other hand a troll ( notice the lower case) is someone to posts often idiotic
> >posts to annoy the regular members of a newsgroup, ( Anybody have a decent
> >definition?) but who is often just close enough to reality to provoke a response. D.
> >Spencer Hines is one of these. He occasionally posts something that makes sense, for
> >example one or two of his recent comments on security makes good sense. However
> >usually most of his postings are nonsensical or just insulting but not so insulting
> >etc. that an ISP would cancel his access.
>
> An ISP might cancel someones posties for being insulting? I find that
> hard to believe!
I slliiped there :( Really offenive/racist/pornographic posters can be dropped I believe.
Just insulting ones no. Hence a lot of unmoderated ng's get trolls .
> I think I have a better definition of troll. tho. A
> troll is someone who practices UPA. Usenet Performance Art. As you
> know, performance art seeks to elicit an emotional response from it's
> audience. It can be a negative emotion, certainly. It can also be a
> positive one. But if you expect 100% honesty from an UPA (troll) you
> will not get it, as the troll is seeking to elicit emotion and not to
> be a real person. hth. =)
Not unreasonable but I think the trolls are at the low end of the scale here. I have seen
some really good UPA (as upposed to UPS) preformers in some ngs baut trolls typically are
not that good.
>
>
> >It is hard to give an example but in soc.history. mediaeval one might say that Richard
> >III was an xxx and wait for the response!! No really, I did not say it, honest!! .
> >In a nutty group I read 'talk.politics.guns" one might suggest that all citizens should
> >be totally forbidden to carry firearms. These statements tend to elicit replies :)
>
> Yes, of a negative sort. That is a very blatent and worthless troll,
> imo. A good troll would seek to endear themselves to the gun activists
> and then twist their emotions in such a way as to confuse them. Then
> there is sure to be some sort of reaction. Chaos normally will reign
> yes. But the real talented UPA'ist will never be suspected and will
> slip away "because of all the internal strife" which the troll has
> *actually* caused all on their own.
Exactly and those talented performers are UPA types but only slightly 'trolls'. Trolls
tend to be more blatant.
>
>
> >I hope this is of some help, Just as they say 'Remember Google is your Friend' you
> >can say "the Troll is not a troll"
>
> Well that's a shame actually. I was enjoying the Troll stories. =)
>
Aha Trolling for more?
>
>
> Kate
--
John Kane
Eh? I didn't know the PPCLI were around there! I thought they were further
west. Has Gudmund considered canvassing the SCA people? Still, perhaps not a
good idea. Giving them sharp swords -- Ouch.
I wonder if Kate has any good bridges available? As I mentioned, we are short
on stone bridges.:(
John Kane
> On Mon, 17 Sep 2001 04:42:02 GMT, "hippo" <hi...@southsudan.net> wrote
> from aus.politics:
> >
> I've never been to France but I understand the rule of the day is:
> NUKE FRANCE!!1!
> --
>
> Kate
And lose all those cooks, the coffee, the fois gras, the bread? Totally out of
the question! In fact I think the UN should declare it a World Heritage
resource. And it is about the only place anyone understands my French. :(
Besides the Seine has some lovely stone bridges that Troll might want to visit
as a tourist. I've never thought the Seine was smelly.
hippo
> hippo wrote:
That is why most of us still prefer the old country. Stone is so much more
satisfactory for one's roof than noisy metals and wood which decays. I am
partial to salmon which cousin Gudmund tells me can not be found near
Winnipeg. He is content with the trout which he says abounds and, as
unlikely as it sounds, frogs which he claims are delicious fried in butter.
I'm not certain at all whether to believe him in this claim. I have found
Ireland to be quite satisfactory in most ways. Stone bridges are common in
the south and west, there is plenty of salmon and the climate gentle. The
humans here are a special joy being still versed in the old stories passed
down through the ages. I think we will live longer here even than our
homeland.
> A problem though, is that at least one of them that I am thinking about
has
> significant boat traffic in the summer, not to mention the occasional
fishing
> boat trolling off-shore. Is that a problem?
Boats and fisherfolk are not problems at all. They are both sport for us who
are not always serious and enjoy a prank from time to time. You probably can
not imagine how much fun it is to play with boatmen and fishermen. We will
put the best fish on the hooks of children and old tyres on the hooks of old
expert fishermen. What a joke! -the Troll
Andrew Chaplin
news:3BA5BC5C...@sympatico.ca...
> Eh? I didn't know the PPCLI were around there! I thought they were
further
> west. Has Gudmund considered canvassing the SCA people? Still, perhaps
not a
> good idea. Giving them sharp swords -- Ouch.
Second Bn, PPCLI*, is moving to Shilo (home station of The Royal Regiment of
Canadian Artillery and west rather than south of Winnipeg), on high ground
(1225' near camp to 1400' AMSL at OP Reserve). The closest bridges worthy of
the name are at Treesbank, Wawanesa and Brandon, all over 25 kilometres away
and long hikes for a troll, given their short legs.
*2PPCLI should be known to the U.S. readers of this news group since it is
one of the few units outside the U.S. armed forces to hold the Presidential
Unit Citation as a result of their actions at Kapyong on 22/23 April 1951. I
think the 3rd Bn, Royal Australian Regiment, and 1st Bn, The Glosters, are
the only others. http://www.autobahn.mb.ca/~ppcli/
Andrew Chaplin
> Besides the Seine has some lovely stone bridges that Troll might want to
visit
> as a tourist. I've never thought the Seine was smelly.
But then, you've smelt the Rideau in August and September.
John Kane
> "John Kane" <jka...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3BA5BFA2...@sympatico.ca...
>
> > Besides the Seine has some lovely stone bridges that Troll might want to
> visit
> > as a tourist. I've never thought the Seine was smelly.
>
> But then, you've smelt the Rideau in August and September.
> --
For a minute there, I thought you were insulting my lake! Good point
though when you're in Ottawa, and come to think of it I've never been in
Paris in August. Maybe that is why all those Parisians go on vacation then.
BTW are there any stone bridges in Ottawa for the Troll? I cannot
Andrew Chaplin
> For a minute there, I thought you were insulting my lake! Good point
> though when you're in Ottawa, and come to think of it I've never been in
> Paris in August. Maybe that is why all those Parisians go on vacation
then.
> BTW are there any stone bridges in Ottawa for the Troll? I cannot
Pretoria Bridge has a masonry front and convenient routes underneath for
bicycles. Packenham on the Mississippi has row housing for trolls.
http://www.ngw.nl/int/can/pakenham.htm
steve
<lil...@buck.pal.uk> wrote:
> "Serge" <serg...@one.net.au> wrote in message
> news:1LIo7.6168$iH4.4...@ozemail.com.au...
Drivell snipped
> >
> > Don't you know that Lord Such is a good personal friend of mine.
Considering he is dead and gone you do have strage habits. Or Are you in
communication with the dead as well?
Paul C. Dickie
<serg...@one.net.au> writes
>Don't you know that Lord Such is a good personal friend of mine.
And he's now on tour with Elvis, Linda McCartney and the Big Bopper?
--
< Paul >
Kareem
"Andrew Chaplin" <abch...@yourfinger.home.com> wrote in message
news:9117d1$b223...@parl5.parl.gc.ca...
> "John Kane" <jka...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3BA5BC5C...@sympatico.ca...
>
> > Eh? I didn't know the PPCLI were around there! I thought they were
> further
> > west. Has Gudmund considered canvassing the SCA people? Still,
perhaps
> not a
> > good idea. Giving them sharp swords -- Ouch.
>
> Second Bn, PPCLI*, is moving to Shilo (home station of The Royal Regiment
of
> Canadian Artillery and west rather than south of Winnipeg), on high ground
> (1225' near camp to 1400' AMSL at OP Reserve). The closest bridges worthy
of
> the name are at Treesbank, Wawanesa and Brandon, all over 25 kilometres
away
> and long hikes for a troll, given their short legs.
>
> *2PPCLI should be known to the U.S. readers of this news group since it is
> one of the few units outside the U.S. armed forces to hold the
Presidential
> Unit Citation as a result of their actions at Kapyong on 22/23 April 1951.
I
> think the 3rd Bn, Royal Australian Regiment, and 1st Bn, The Glosters, are
> the only others. http://www.autobahn.mb.ca/~ppcli/
> --
Yes. I know of them...but actually only recently when I did some research
on the international effort in Korea. It did take a few posts to realize
the initials...you military types and your initials......sheeesh!
--
Kareem
Pax Vobiscum
hippo
"Kate" wrote in message
> "hippo" wrote from aus.politics:
[snip]
Gudmund is a famous
> >smith and once made a sword for Harald Fairhair himself. Swords are not
much
> >in demand these days around Winnipeg except among the PPCLI and children
who
> >are not permitted to have them. He made one for a young Captain recently
but
> >we didn't tell him from whom it came. He will only know it was Troll made
> >when he finds it vanquishes more of his enemies than either his hockey
stick
> >or his rifle. -the Troll
> >
> Hockey rules. Could you ask him to please make one for Steve Yzerman?
> The only Captain in Winnepeg I know of is Dale Hawerchuk and I am sure
> he must be retired. Who is this captain now?
It has to be done in great secret so as not to give old Gudmund away. Who's
cipher does he want on the hilt? -the Troll
hippo
"John Kane" wrote in message
> hippo wrote:
> > We certainly like water so flooding is not a problem. Gudmund is a
famous
> > smith and once made a sword for Harald Fairhair himself. Swords are not
much
> > in demand these days around Winnipeg except among the PPCLI and children
who
> > are not permitted to have them. He made one for a young Captain recently
but
> > we didn't tell him from whom it came. He will only know it was Troll
made
> > when he finds it vanquishes more of his enemies than either his hockey
stick
> > or his rifle. -the Troll
>
> Eh? I didn't know the PPCLI were around there! I thought they were
further
> west. Has Gudmund considered canvassing the SCA people? Still, perhaps
not a
> good idea. Giving them sharp swords -- Ouch.
One may find 2PPCLI at 984 Grant Avenue. Aren't Trolls amazing?
> I wonder if Kate has any good bridges available? As I mentioned, we are
short
> on stone bridges.:(
I know, it's a tragedy this modern bridge construction. -the Troll
hippo
"Andrew Chaplin" wrote in message
> "John Kane" wrote in message
> > Eh? I didn't know the PPCLI were around there! I thought they were
> further
> > west. Has Gudmund considered canvassing the SCA people? Still,
perhaps
> not a
> > good idea. Giving them sharp swords -- Ouch.
>
> Second Bn, PPCLI*, is moving to Shilo (home station of The Royal Regiment
of
> Canadian Artillery and west rather than south of Winnipeg), on high ground
> (1225' near camp to 1400' AMSL at OP Reserve). The closest bridges worthy
of
> the name are at Treesbank, Wawanesa and Brandon, all over 25 kilometres
away
> and long hikes for a troll, given their short legs.
>
> *2PPCLI should be known to the U.S. readers of this news group since it is
> one of the few units outside the U.S. armed forces to hold the
Presidential
> Unit Citation as a result of their actions at Kapyong on 22/23 April 1951.
I
> think the 3rd Bn, Royal Australian Regiment, and 1st Bn, The Glosters, are
> the only others. http://www.autobahn.mb.ca/~ppcli/
Yup, it's a fine unit. They haven't moved yet and open flat real estate is
no problem for us, short legs and all. -the Troll
hippo
"Kate" wrote in message
> John Kane wrote from aus.politics:
[snip]
> >I wonder if Kate has any good bridges available? As I mentioned, we are
short
> >on stone bridges.:(
>
> Actually yes I do. I am from Michigan and there are many stone (or
> concrete) bridges in rural areas. Three that I am thinking of are in a
> state park nearby.
Michigan, that is somewhere in America isn't it? There are no Trolls
registered there at all and the directory tells me that there are no salmon.
I haven't moved since we got chased out of the Liffy in 1014 by your way of
counting time. The problem with Ireland is the congestion, there being only
a very few rivers deep enough. At one time every bridge on the Shannon was
inhabited all the way up into the lakes. The park part does sound nice. I
wonder is it a small bridge, cozy with a place for my books? I have three
you know. -the Troll
David Shaw
wrote:
>
>As Australia's Head of State, the Queen's portrait insolently appears on our
>currency, a ludicrous situation I grant you, and one which is anathema to an
>avowed republican such as myself.
>
>However, be that as it may, when receiving some coins in change recently I
>paused to examine the Queen's portrait more closely. One coin was minted in
>1998 but she didn't look a day over 30, all the other coins were similarly
>afflicted. I immediately checked the notes in my wallet and was aghast to
>discover that here to, she didn't look a day over 30. Her portrait was
>perfect in every detail, ageless no blemishes or wrinkles, no spots. It was
>almost as if time had stood still.
>
>It put me in mind of Wilde's "The Picture of Dorian Gray" but with the
>central theme going terribly wrong.
>
>Instead of the portrait becoming hideously grotesque and disgusting over the
>years whilst the subject remained flawless. Here we had the opposite. The
>portrait was flawless whilst the subject became hideously grotesque and
>disgusting.
>
>An epiphany?
>
>Yes, but it stood out like dogs balls on a hot day!
>
>Serge.
>
>
You Republicans will never forgive the Australian population for
voting you the weakest link, will you?
>
>
>
Odysseus
> >
> > *2PPCLI should be known to the U.S. readers of this news group since it is
> > one of the few units outside the U.S. armed forces to hold the
> Presidential
> > Unit Citation as a result of their actions at Kapyong on 22/23 April 1951.
> I
> > think the 3rd Bn, Royal Australian Regiment, and 1st Bn, The Glosters, are
> > the only others. http://www.autobahn.mb.ca/~ppcli/
> > --
>
> Yes. I know of them...but actually only recently when I did some research
> on the international effort in Korea. It did take a few posts to realize
> the initials...you military types and your initials......sheeesh!
>
not usually called such to their faces.
Speaking of Shilo, is there still a Panzer regiment training there? When
I was there as a reserve gunner (20th Field RCA) around twenty years ago
it seemed the principal recreation for ORs was getting into fights with
the Germans ... we had at least one man RTU'd from our training troop
because of a broken hand incurred when a German who'd been standing just
in front of a wall ducked at the right moment ... I was fortunate in
that several of my 'roommates' were too young to drink (I'm not much of
a drinker myself), so we played war games (board games, that is) in the
barracks while most of the others were out 'enjoying themselves' ...
--Odysseus
Odysseus
> >
> Hockey rules. Could you ask him to please make one for Steve Yzerman?
> The only Captain in Winnepeg I know of is Dale Hawerchuk and I am sure
> he must be retired. Who is this captain now?
>
I believe the Winnipeg Jets have been defunct for a few years now: I'm
not sure whether the team just folded or was sold and moved to somewhere
like Nashville.
--Odysseus
Ferg
> You Republicans will never forgive the Australian population for
> voting you the weakest link, will you?
Funnily enough, that referendum's result resembled quite closely the
general result in that "Weakest Link" contest where the initial rounds
see the least brainy ganging up to vote out the most brainy.
The real weakest link is this pathetically in-bred bunch of Chermans
belonging to the Saxe-Gotha-etc... family.
ok
>
> As Australia's Head of State, the Queen's portrait insolently appears on
our
> currency, a ludicrous situation I grant you, and one which is anathema to
an
> avowed republican such as myself.
>
> However, be that as it may, when receiving some coins in change recently I
> paused to examine the Queen's portrait more closely. One coin was minted
in
> 1998 but she didn't look a day over 30, all the other coins were similarly
> afflicted. I immediately checked the notes in my wallet and was aghast to
> discover that here to, she didn't look a day over 30. Her portrait was
> perfect in every detail, ageless no blemishes or wrinkles, no spots. It
was
> almost as if time had stood still.
>
> It put me in mind of Wilde's "The Picture of Dorian Gray" but with the
> central theme going terribly wrong.
>
> Instead of the portrait becoming hideously grotesque and disgusting over
the
> years whilst the subject remained flawless. Here we had the opposite. The
> portrait was flawless whilst the subject became hideously grotesque and
> disgusting.
>
> An epiphany?
>
> Yes, but it stood out like dogs balls on a hot day!
>
> Serge.
>
I don't see the point you are trying to make? so what if the portrait is old
(young) who cares?
As to having the queens head on your notes in the first place, we in the UK
also have to put up with that aswell unfortunately.
Ok
John Kane
For non Canadians in the ng, perhaps we should point out that 2PPCLI is the
second battalion of the Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry (Regiment)
and not an electronic circuit. :)
Peter Mackay
ferg...@hotmail.com says...
Well, looks like we've discovered yet another racist republican!
--
Cheers, Peter
AndyPandy
"Peter Mackay" <peter....@bigpond.com.aus>, a consumate liar, wrote in
message news:MPG.1611e8fbf5899a289898ba@news-server...
Andrew Thomas
would be the idea head of a milti-cultural nation like modern Australia.
"Peter Mackay" <peter....@bigpond.com.aus> wrote in message
news:MPG.1611e8fbf5899a289898ba@news-server...
hippo
"Ferg" wrote in message
(David Shaw) wrote in message
> > You Republicans will never forgive the Australian population for
> > voting you the weakest link, will you?
>
> Funnily enough, that referendum's result resembled quite closely the
> general result in that "Weakest Link" contest where the initial rounds
> see the least brainy ganging up to vote out the most brainy.
>
> The real weakest link is this pathetically in-bred bunch of Chermans
> belonging to the Saxe-Gotha-etc... family.
I have never heard Albert von Saxe-Coburg-Gothe referred to as anything
resembling a weak link. Do you know something the rest of us do not? -the
Troll
Andrew Chaplin
news:9o693t$1oe9$1...@reader.nmix.net...
> Yes. I know of them...but actually only recently when I did some research
> on the international effort in Korea. It did take a few posts to realize
> the initials...you military types and your initials......sheeesh!
Quite. Abbreviations and acronyms are used in Signals and such like, but
also to form military colloquialisms, viz: PPCLI = "PEANUTS! POPCORN! CANDY!
LICORICE! ICE CREAM!" or "Ping-Pong Champions of Long Island" or "Please
Protect Canada's Little Idiots". They are commonly used to rag members of
rival regiments. My regiment, 1st Air Defence Regiment (Lanark & Renfrew
Scottish), Royal Canadian Artillery, used to wear L&R Scot on our old
shoulder titles -- L&R was said to stand for "Lame and Retarded".
Andrew Chaplin
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)
"Odysseus" <odysse...@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
news:3BA70DEA...@yahoo.ca...
Andrew Chaplin
> They're sometimes known as "the Picklies" in the Canadian Forces ... but
> not usually called such to their faces.
They are by me. :-)
> Speaking of Shilo, is there still a Panzer regiment training there? When
> I was there as a reserve gunner (20th Field RCA) around twenty years ago
> it seemed the principal recreation for ORs was getting into fights with
> the Germans ... we had at least one man RTU'd from our training troop
> because of a broken hand incurred when a German who'd been standing just
> in front of a wall ducked at the right moment ... I was fortunate in
> that several of my 'roommates' were too young to drink (I'm not much of
> a drinker myself), so we played war games (board games, that is) in the
> barracks while most of the others were out 'enjoying themselves' ...
No, the Deutschers ended training in Shilo at the end of the 2000
campaigning season, hence the reason for moving the Picklies to Shilo,
nature abhors a vacuum. (I'm an old Shilo hand: 75-77, 3HA; 78-80, 3HA;
83-86 RCA Battle School; and 93-95, Regimental HQ RCA -- nine and a half
years out of 21 years' regular service.) I never saw a German soldier
involved in any of the sort of shenanigans that Canadians got up to.
hippo
"Kate" wrote in message
> "hippo" wrote
[snip]
> I've never been to France but I understand the rule of the day is:
> NUKE FRANCE!!1!
The Troll world agrees with you. We would never live there given the choice,
which was exactly the reason old Ing was banished to the place. Instead of
Troll Stories, the French amuse themselves with Droll Stories which are not
the same at all. -the Troll
hippo
"John Kane" wrote in message
> Kate wrote:
[snip]
> > I've never been to France but I understand the rule of the day is:
> > NUKE FRANCE!!1!
> > --
> >
> > Kate
>
> And lose all those cooks, the coffee, the fois gras, the bread? Totally
out of
> the question! In fact I think the UN should declare it a World Heritage
> resource. And it is about the only place anyone understands my French. :(
> Besides the Seine has some lovely stone bridges that Troll might want to
visit
> as a tourist. I've never thought the Seine was smelly.
You may visit these bridges. Remember we see them from the water. -the Troll
Andrew Chaplin
> I believe in the Original League. Montreal, Toronto, Chicago, Detroit,
> Boston, Philly. Who else matters?
Tsk, tsk! You must be a mere slip of a girl, Kate. The Original Six
(of the TV Era) were Montreal, Toronto, Chicago, Detroit, Boston and
the New York Rangers. Philly, St Louis, Minnesota, Pittsburgh and Los
Angeles all came in the first expansion in 1967.
Ottawa, of course, has a history of nine Stanley Cups, and was one fo
the charter teams when the league formed in the 1920s. The Great
Depression reduced the city's ability to support the team (it was a
small market team even then) and it moved to St Louis to become the
Eagles in '31. It folded after only a year.
hippo
"Kate" wrote in message
> "hippo" pointed the finger at you from aus.politics??
> >[snip]
> >> Hockey rules.
> >It has to be done in great secret so as not to give old Gudmund away.
Who's
> >cipher does he want on the hilt? -the Troll
> >
> <rant>
> Please pick one suitable for an about to be retired Certified Hockey
> Hero who has played the greater part of the last 10 years with a
> severed cruciate ligament and never complained much. Who also
> disproved all the critics and led his team to two Stanley Cups with
> said blown knee.
>
> Who also works as hard as he can every shift, every night, regardless
> of pain. Who has taken on and fought guys nearly twice his weight. Who
> suffered thru being second choice in his entry draft (to Pat
> LaFontaine), second choice in rookie of the year (to Barasso), never
> won even so much as a Selke Trophy. And that is such a freaking joke,
> it hurts to laugh..
>
> Who is one of the primary reasons the Wings were the team of the 90's.
>
> Someone who is my Hero, you understand. And has been since the day he
> was drafted. Courage by any other name would be Steve Yzerman.
Heroes are good. There is a very long association between Heroes and Trolls.
We too are attracted to the better sorts of humans. We often appear in the
same books through time. Your hero sounds like the very best kind of hero,
silent in pain, skillful at his craft, and brave. I do not think he would
care for a sword since he is not a soldier. I think he would like letters
from his fans even now he is retired. I may be wrong, being a Troll. -the
Troll
hippo
"Kate" wrote in message
> "hippo" pointed the finger at you from aus.politics??
> >Michigan, that is somewhere in America isn't it? There are no Trolls
> >registered there at all and the directory tells me that there are no
salmon.
>
> Yes that is in the US. Surrounded by the Great Lakes.
>
> And your directory is seriously in need of updating!
Do you mean there are salmon after all? I really like salmon. I do know
there are no Trolls. There are only 47 of us left in all the world. It isn't
hard to follow the few we have left.
> >I haven't moved since we got chased out of the Liffy in 1014 by your way
of
> >counting time. The problem with Ireland is the congestion, there being
only
> >a very few rivers deep enough. At one time every bridge on the Shannon
was
> >inhabited all the way up into the lakes. The park part does sound nice. I
> >wonder is it a small bridge, cozy with a place for my books? I have three
> >you know. -the Troll
>
> Sweetie!!1! What books are they? =)
I have a book 'All About Bridges' which has very nice pictures of bridges
from the top as you humans see them, and how they are made. It was made in
London where I was once long ago. There is my favorite which is written in
Latin about the Kings if Denmark when I was young and, of course, the Troll
directory so we can find one another.
> Yes they are small. Two lane bridges. Interestingly enough what
> created this park was during World War II a large plot of land was
> commandeered (read: stolen) by the US army to house Japanese prisoners
> of war. After the war the army kept part of the land for a Reserve
> Base and the rest of it was made into a state park.
>
> Therefore there are old cemetaries, roads, farms, building
> foundations, etc sprinkled all over this park. Which includes five
> rather largish lakes and one river runs thru it.
>
> A nice place for a troll indeed. =)
Hmmmmm very nice indeed. I am old now so cemeteries don't bother me as they
did when I was younger. If you could only be sure about the salmon.... -the
Troll
hippo
"Kate" wrote in message
> "hippo"pointed the finger at you from alt.history.british
> >[snip]
> >> I've never been to France but I understand the rule of the day is:
> >> NUKE FRANCE!!1!
> >
> >The Troll world agrees with you. We would never live there given the
choice,
> >which was exactly the reason old Ing was banished to the place. Instead
of
> >Troll Stories, the French amuse themselves with Droll Stories which are
not
> >the same at all. -the Troll
> >
> Whatever it is that amuses the french is unlikely to amuse me.
I think you are the very best kind of human, Kate. -the Troll
John Kane
> Kate wrote:
>
> > I believe in the Original League. Montreal, Toronto, Chicago, Detroit,
> > Boston, Philly. Who else matters?
What's all this? Has it changed? Why wasn't I told and who's this Philly?
I thought it was a steak sandwich!
>
>
> Tsk, tsk! You must be a mere slip of a girl, Kate. The Original Six
> (of the TV Era) were Montreal, Toronto, Chicago, Detroit, Boston and
> the New York Rangers. Philly, St Louis, Minnesota, Pittsburgh and Los
> Angeles all came in the first expansion in 1967.
Good lord! And my mother was at the famous longest game in the 40's in
Detroit. I'm glad she didn't live to see this debacle.
> Ottawa, of course, has a history of nine Stanley Cups, and was one fo
> the charter teams when the league formed in the 1920s. The Great
> Depression reduced the city's ability to support the team (it was a
> small market team even then) and it moved to St Louis to become the
> Eagles in '31. It folded after only a year.
And somehow it is difficult to envision, back in the 50's and 60's hordes
of sherry siping , memo writing, Civil Servants in the Arena stands :) I
believe they prefered football.
John Kane
I worked for a couple of years with a retired WO from the British Army -
Malaysia , pointy end, and then years with the BAOR in signals monitoring.
He still spoke in awe of how someone, Van Doo's maybe, dismantled a German
town one night. I am still not sure if he was horrified or envious.
John Kane
I think there are salmon in the lakes around there. Certainly there are in
Lake Ontario. Trapped here when the ice age receded. IMHO they don't taste
quite the same as Atlantic Ocean salmon since they are freshwater fish although
they are the same species. Still quite tasty. I would barbecue them myself
but I imagine even a gas barbecue might not be really suitable for a Troll.
--
John Kane
> So what would you rather have. A smirking T.Blair?
Don't even suggest moving to something like that. Have you seen our PM? One of
the things that helped him win an election once was that the Tories come out
with a set of close up photos of him with a caption along the lines of 'Would
you want a man like this to represent you ' Very rough paraphrase. Everyone was
infuriated that the Tories would stoup so low!
hippo
"John Kane" wrote in message
> hippo wrote:
>
> > "Kate" wrote in message
[snip]
> I think there are salmon in the lakes around there. Certainly there are
in
> Lake Ontario. Trapped here when the ice age receded. IMHO they don't
taste
> quite the same as Atlantic Ocean salmon since they are freshwater fish
although
> they are the same species. Still quite tasty. I would barbecue them
myself
> but I imagine even a gas barbecue might not be really suitable for a
Troll.
That is wonderful news. Only a human would think of putting fresh salmon on
a hot, smoking iron thing until it dries out. A fat salmon must be fresh and
juicy. Those storied about Trolls eating the scales and all is nonsense
invented by someone knowing nothing whatever about us. -the Troll
hippo
"Kate" wrote in message
> "hippo" pointed the finger at you from alt.history.british
> >I have a book 'All About Bridges' which has very nice pictures of bridges
> >from the top as you humans see them, and how they are made. It was made
in
> >London where I was once long ago. There is my favorite which is written
in
> >Latin about the Kings if Denmark when I was young and, of course, the
Troll
> >directory so we can find one another.
>
> I missed this! Those appear to be very good choices for books yes. How
> do you keep them dry?
I have a bag for them. The hard thing was making them dry in the first
place. One must get to them just after they are thrown in the water. There
are very many more I have missed. You must dry each page very carefully by
giving the wind free passage around them. This is done by holding the covers
together and letting the pages fall free into a fan. It is tiring but books
are very wonderful things once you have got them dry. I can not imagine why
humans throw them away.
> >
> >> Yes they are small. Two lane bridges. Interestingly enough what
> >> created this park was during World War II a large plot of land was
> >> commandeered (read: stolen) by the US army to house Japanese prisoners
> >> of war. After the war the army kept part of the land for a Reserve
> >> Base and the rest of it was made into a state park.
> >>
> >> Therefore there are old cemetaries, roads, farms, building
> >> foundations, etc sprinkled all over this park. Which includes five
> >> rather largish lakes and one river runs thru it.
> >>
> >> A nice place for a troll indeed. =)
> >
> >Hmmmmm very nice indeed. I am old now so cemeteries don't bother me as
they
> >did when I was younger. If you could only be sure about the
salmon.... -the
> >Troll
>
> There are no salmon there no. How about a nice blue gill?
I know there are other fish and have had to try all of them when the salmon
are not running, but I would miss them. They are my very favorite thing
after books. -the Troll
hippo
"Kate" wrote in message
> "hippo"pointed the finger at you from alt.history.british
[snip]
> >> Whatever it is that amuses the french is unlikely to amuse me.
> >
> >I think you are the very best kind of human, Kate. -the Troll
> >
> I think you are the very best kind of troll, Troll. =)
I am called Hippo because I thought I could beat up an Alligator when young.
Of course it was a foolish idea and cost me the tip of my tail. Take care of
Michigan, fair Kate, and write to your hockey player. Quite often it helps
to know others appreciate what you do. -the Troll
Southerner
"Andrew Thomas" <Andrew...@adtconsulting.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:9o7pa2$jf8$1...@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
> I'd have thought that the present Queen, having ancestors from many
nations,
> would be the idea head of a milti-cultural nation like modern Australia.
And a female to boot, thus meeting the gender equity criteria.
[snip]
John Kane
> Where were you on Tue, 18 Sep 2001 21:52:50 GMT when Andrew Chaplin
> <abch...@yourfinger.home.com> pointed the finger at you from
> aus.politics??
> >Kate wrote:
> >
> >> I believe in the Original League. Montreal, Toronto, Chicago, Detroit,
> >> Boston, Philly. Who else matters?
> >
> >Tsk, tsk! You must be a mere slip of a girl, Kate. The Original Six
> >(of the TV Era) were Montreal, Toronto, Chicago, Detroit, Boston and
> >the New York Rangers. Philly, St Louis, Minnesota, Pittsburgh and Los
> >Angeles all came in the first expansion in 1967.
>
> *All* before my time. Los Angeles could have been left off tho.
Ah Kids these days eh Andrew.
> >Ottawa, of course, has a history of nine Stanley Cups, and was one fo
> >the charter teams when the league formed in the 1920s. The Great
> >Depression reduced the city's ability to support the team (it was a
> >small market team even then) and it moved to St Louis to become the
> >Eagles in '31. It folded after only a year.
>
> That is a shame. The original Canadian teams should still play!
Damn hard to get the Yukon team to come down regularly I think the 1909
(?) game was hard on them. Dog teams exhausted, biking on the frozen lake
to make the game. Still it might be worth a try.
> Quebec are full of wussies!
Eh who is a bunch of wussies. Methinks we have a language or a geography
problems here.
And Kate, you're showing a distressing lack of appreciation for Gallic
culture. Ah. for a good poutine! Cuisine at it's best in the hotels .
The bracing wind from the St. Laurent as one sips one's coffee.
And could you be more in exact your geography? English does not deal well
with Quebec. Do you mean wussies in Quebec or at Quebec. Bien sur il y a
des ouises au Quebec, Montréal n'est pas mal mais å Quebec ?? Andrew I do
hope the Re will be warned if we ever hear of her heading there? I believe
the Summit of the Americas supplies the precedent..
By he way ,do the citizens of Michigan still play hockey or has our Canadian
heritage down here been lost.?
Kareem
"Andrew Chaplin" <abch...@yourfinger.home.com> wrote in message
news:9127d1$d261...@parl5.parl.gc.ca...
> Phoenix Coyotes, right, Kareem?
>
> --
> Andrew Chaplin
Believe you are spot on.
--
Kareem
Pax Vobiscum
Kareem
"John Kane" <jka...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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that have never seen snow!!
--
Kareem
Pax Vobiscum
Andrew Thomas
"Southerner" <aure...@dingoblue.net.au> wrote in message
news:3ba85c4b$0$589$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
>
Charles Dyer
(in message <9ob0j7$q28$1...@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>):
She's fashion-challenged, or haven't you noticed those hats and those (for
lack of a better term) dresses?
And keeping Corgis just _has_ to be indicitive of some kind of severe mental
illness. The only dogs more obnoxious are Pekes. (Those Mexican things aren't
dogs, they're rats. Small ones.)
As for being black, well she's married to some Greek wog, isn't that good
enough?
--
Newsweek on tradenames:
Microsoft is a bad tradename. Micro and soft... needs Viagra.
Andrew Thomas
"Charles Dyer" <charl...@mac.com> wrote in message
news:01HW.B7CE9D630...@enews.newsguy.com...
> On Wed, 19 Sep 2001 15:53:24 -0500, Andrew Thomas wrote
> (in message <9ob0j7$q28$1...@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>):
>
> >
> > "Southerner" <aure...@dingoblue.net.au> wrote in message
> > news:3ba85c4b$0$589$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
> >>
> >> "Andrew Thomas" <Andrew...@adtconsulting.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in
message
> >> news:9o7pa2$jf8$1...@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
> >>> I'd have thought that the present Queen, having ancestors from many
> >> nations,
> >>> would be the idea head of a milti-cultural nation like modern
Australia.
> >>
> >> And a female to boot, thus meeting the gender equity criteria.
> >>
> >> [snip]
> >>
> > It's just a pity she's not black and disabled in some way !!
>
> She's fashion-challenged, or haven't you noticed those hats and those (for
> lack of a better term) dresses?
Q - What does the Queen do with her old clothes ?
A - Wear them !!
Ferg
> In article <6b02215a.01091...@posting.google.com>,
> ferg...@hotmail.com says...
> >
> > > You Republicans will never forgive the Australian population for
> > > voting you the weakest link, will you?
> >
> > Funnily enough, that referendum's result resembled quite closely the
> > general result in that "Weakest Link" contest where the initial rounds
> > see the least brainy ganging up to vote out the most brainy.
> >
> > The real weakest link is this pathetically in-bred bunch of Chermans
> > belonging to the Saxe-Gotha-etc... family.
>
are a *good* thing to look for in a head of state in a
South-East-Asian/South Pacific nation?
You haven't perchance noticed what an excess of Cherman genes has
caused in USA's society? Presidents who still play cowboys at the age
of 60? Luvverly, just what we bloody need.
Charles Dyer
(in message <6b02215a.01092...@posting.google.com>):
I thought that Raygun was Irish... In fact, didn't he comment after he, Brady
and that DC cop whose name I forget got shot that it was open season on
Irishmen? The last Cherman prez was Ike, and Ike was a golfer, not a cowboy.
Michael Baker
> > Well, looks like we've discovered yet another racist republican!
Hey, I applied to be a democrat, but they didn't accept me.
Peter Mackay
ferg...@hotmail.com says...
> Peter Mackay <peter....@bigpond.com.aus> wrote in message news:<MPG.1611e8fbf5899a289898ba@news-server>...
> > In article <6b02215a.01091...@posting.google.com>,
> > ferg...@hotmail.com says...
> > > da...@f-e-mail.com (David Shaw) wrote in message news:<3ba6ed5a...@news.iinet.net.au>...
> > >
> > > > You Republicans will never forgive the Australian population for
> > > > voting you the weakest link, will you?
> > >
> > > Funnily enough, that referendum's result resembled quite closely the
> > > general result in that "Weakest Link" contest where the initial rounds
> > > see the least brainy ganging up to vote out the most brainy.
> > >
> > > The real weakest link is this pathetically in-bred bunch of Chermans
> > > belonging to the Saxe-Gotha-etc... family.
> >
> > Well, looks like we've discovered yet another racist republican!
>
> Let me get this straight : You think (severely in-bred) Cherman genes
Well, looks like we've discovered yet another racist republican!
--
Cheers, Peter
Ferg
and logic.
We have no need for heads of state who change their surname to appear
to be something they are not.
Changing their family name from Saxe-Gotha-(whatever) is no more nor
less racist than the reasons why we might reject the idea of having
foreigners as heads of state (as do the americans).
William Black
Ferg <ferg...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> We have no need for heads of state who change their surname to appear
> to be something they are not.
>
> Changing their family name from Saxe-Gotha-(whatever) is no more nor
> less racist than the reasons why we might reject the idea of having
> foreigners as heads of state (as do the americans).
Well if you're an Australian you do, you proved it by voting for them...
And don't say 'Well it wasn't fair, the politicians moved the goalposts'.
There was a democratic process and the Queen won, odd as it sounds.
--
William Black
------------------
On time, on budget, or works;
Pick any two from three
Peter Mackay
ferg...@hotmail.com says...
> Peter Mackay <peter....@bigpond.com.aus> wrote in message news:<MPG.1614f692bd8992399898d3@news-server>...
> > In article <6b02215a.01092...@posting.google.com>,
> > ferg...@hotmail.com says...
> > > Peter Mackay <peter....@bigpond.com.aus> wrote in message news:<MPG.1611e8fbf5899a289898ba@news-server>...
> > > > In article <6b02215a.01091...@posting.google.com>,
> > > > ferg...@hotmail.com says...
> > > > > da...@f-e-mail.com (David Shaw) wrote in message news:<3ba6ed5a...@news.iinet.net.au>...
> > > > >
> > > > > > You Republicans will never forgive the Australian population for
> > > > > > voting you the weakest link, will you?
> > > > >
> > > > > Funnily enough, that referendum's result resembled quite closely the
> > > > > general result in that "Weakest Link" contest where the initial rounds
> > > > > see the least brainy ganging up to vote out the most brainy.
> > > > >
> > > > > The real weakest link is this pathetically in-bred bunch of Chermans
> > > > > belonging to the Saxe-Gotha-etc... family.
> > > >
> > > > Well, looks like we've discovered yet another racist republican!
> > >
> > > Let me get this straight : You think (severely in-bred) Cherman genes
> >
> > Well, looks like we've discovered yet another racist republican!
>
> Your exceedingly tenuous inference of racism is incorrect in both fact
> and logic.
People make attacks on the Queen based on her British birth and/or her
German ancestry. That's racist.
--
Cheers, Peter
Ned Latham
> Ferg <ferg...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >
> > We have no need for heads of state who change their surname to appear
> > to be something they are not.
> >
> > Changing their family name from Saxe-Gotha-(whatever) is no more nor
> > less racist than the reasons why we might reject the idea of having
> > foreigners as heads of state (as do the americans).
>
> Well if you're an Australian you do, you proved it by voting for them...
Many of us voted against them.
> And don't say 'Well it wasn't fair, the politicians moved the goalposts'.
> There was a democratic process and the Queen won, odd as it sounds.
The vote is a democratic process only if it gives the people a real say.
The geryymander, cumpulsory voting and the perferential system ensure
that we the people do *not* have an effective say in any of the matters
we "vote" upon. It was *not* a democratic process, and the odd thing
here is that there are people who support that bitch who betrayed us
in 1975.
Ned
--
To reply, cut out my nose * Democracy means "the people rule". *
and make the met a net. * Fight for the power of assent. *
alterity
<peter....@bigpond.com.aus> wrote:
>People make attacks on the Queen based on her British birth and/or her
>German ancestry. That's racist.
How is a comment about the place of someone's birth racist?
Locationalist maybe, but surely not racist.
BTW, where were you born?
Peter Mackay
alte...@dingoblue.net.au says...
> On Fri, 21 Sep 2001 22:46:29 GMT, Peter Mackay
> <peter....@bigpond.com.aus> wrote:
>
> >People make attacks on the Queen based on her British birth and/or her
> >German ancestry. That's racist.
>
> How is a comment about the place of someone's birth racist?
Perhaps you think a comment and an attack are the same thing? They
aren't.
Was the attack on the World Trade Centre a comment in your eyes? No. So
don't be stupid.
As for racism, I've seen an awful lot of racist attacks on Afghanis here
in this group over the last few days, attacks based on no more than
nationality. So again, don't be stupid.
People make attacks on the Queen based on her British birth and/or her
German ancestry. That's racist.
If you want to argue otherwise, argue by yourself. Don't waste my time.
--
Cheers, Peter
alterity
<peter....@bigpond.com.aus> wrote:
>In article <vetnqts82j6s8bqq0...@4ax.com>,
>alte...@dingoblue.net.au says...
>> On Fri, 21 Sep 2001 22:46:29 GMT, Peter Mackay
>> <peter....@bigpond.com.aus> wrote:
>>
>> >People make attacks on the Queen based on her British birth and/or her
>> >German ancestry. That's racist.
>>
>> How is a comment about the place of someone's birth racist?
>
>Perhaps you think a comment and an attack are the same thing? They
>aren't.
>
>Was the attack on the World Trade Centre a comment in your eyes? No. So
>don't be stupid.
>
>As for racism, I've seen an awful lot of racist attacks on Afghanis here
>in this group over the last few days, attacks based on no more than
>nationality. So again, don't be stupid.
>
>People make attacks on the Queen based on her British birth and/or her
>German ancestry. That's racist.
>
>If you want to argue otherwise, argue by yourself. Don't waste my time.
How is an attack on someone's place of birth racist?
For example, if I were to say, "It is an outrage, Australia's Queen
was born in Britain," how is that attack on the Queen, based on her
British birth, an example of racism?
William Black
Ned Latham <nen...@news.apex.met.au> wrote in message
news:slrn9qnrkc....@arthur.valhalla.net.au...
goalposts'.
> > There was a democratic process and the Queen won, odd as it sounds.
>
> The vote is a democratic process only if it gives the people a real say.
> The geryymander, cumpulsory voting and the perferential system ensure
> that we the people do *not* have an effective say in any of the matters
> we "vote" upon. It was *not* a democratic process, and the odd thing
> here is that there are people who support that bitch who betrayed us
> in 1975.
You know, I set traps for the intolerant all the time and they always fall
into them.
You had a vote, a decision was made, end of story.
Your lot lost, that's how democracy works, live with it or organise
another vote. Saying voting isn't fair is one sure way to loose any support
you may have had at the beginning.
You'll be saying you were betrayed by the politicians in Vietnam, or even
WWI, next.
Trudy Bray
A lot of people confuse nationality with race. A lot of people also confuse skin
colour with race. There is only one race - the human race.
Trudy
Ned Latham
> Ned Latham wrote:
> > William Black wrote:
> >
> > > And don't say 'Well it wasn't fair, the politicians moved the
> > > goalposts'. There was a democratic process and the Queen won,
> > > odd as it sounds.
> >
> > The vote is a democratic process only if it gives the people a real say.
> > The geryymander, cumpulsory voting and the perferential system ensure
> > that we the people do *not* have an effective say in any of the matters
> > we "vote" upon. It was *not* a democratic process, and the odd thing
> > here is that there are people who support that bitch who betrayed us
> > in 1975.
>
> You know, I set traps for the intolerant all the time and they always fall
> into them.
Your big trap is full of shit. Why should anyone tolerate stupidity?
> You had a vote, a decision was made, end of story.
Wrong. The sequence is: a decision was made, we had a vote: outcome
guaranteed. As to the story, I'm not in the slightest interested in
republicanism. It's no closer to democracy than the bullshit we're
under now.
> Your lot lost,
Wrong.
> that's how democracy works,
Wrong again.
> live with it or organise
> another vote.
Ah. So you agree that it's *not* the end of the story. Your inconsistently
speaks volumes for your "intelligence".
> Saying voting isn't fair is one sure way to loose any
> support you may have had at the beginning.
Idiot. I diodn't say voting is unfair.
> You'll be saying you were betrayed by the politicians in Vietnam, or even
> WWI, next.
No. The politicans in Vietname didn't betray us: the politicians in Oz,
however, have done so repeatedly. That's why those of us who are aware
despise them. Do you have enough brains cells to remember what Howard
said about the GST during the first election campaign he won?
----snip----
William Black
> William Black wrote in <9ohrp1$qbf$1...@neptunium.btinternet.com>:
> > Ned Latham wrote:
> > > William Black wrote:
> > >
> > > > And don't say 'Well it wasn't fair, the politicians moved the
> > > > goalposts'. There was a democratic process and the Queen won,
> > > > odd as it sounds.
> > >
> > > The vote is a democratic process only if it gives the people a real
say.
> > > The geryymander, cumpulsory voting and the perferential system ensure
> > > that we the people do *not* have an effective say in any of the
matters
> > > we "vote" upon. It was *not* a democratic process, and the odd thing
> > > here is that there are people who support that bitch who betrayed us
> > > in 1975.
> >
> > You know, I set traps for the intolerant all the time and they always
fall
> > into them.
>
> Your big trap is full of shit. Why should anyone tolerate stupidity?
Personal abuse and not an argument.
I win.
End of conversation.