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Afghan says it’s ‘shocked’ by leaked U.S. documents
From Atika Shubert, CNN
July 26, 2010 4:08 a.m. EDT

Afghan war documents on WikiLeaks

STORY HIGHLIGHTS
Afghan government said it’s “shocked” by reports
Former head of Pakistani intelligence says reports are lies
Some documents allege Pakistan is aiding the insurgency, New York
Times reports
Senator says the documents “raise serious questions” about foreign
policy

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(CNN) — The Afghan government said Monday it was “shocked” as it
sifted through tens of thousands of leaked U.S. military and
diplomatic reports on the war in Afghanistan that a whistleblower
website posted a day earlier.

“The Afghan government is shocked with the report that has opened the
reality of the Afghan war,” said Siamak Herawi, a government
spokesman.

WikiLeaks.org — a whistleblower website — published on Sunday what it
says are more than 90,000 United States military and diplomatic
reports about Afghanistan filed between 2004 and January of this year.

The first-hand accounts are the military’s own raw data on the war,
including numbers killed, casualties, threat reports and the like,
according to Julian Assange, the founder of the website.

“It is the total history of the Afghan war from 2004 to 2010, with
some important exceptions — U.S. Special Forces, CIA activity, and
most of the activity of other non-U.S. groups,” Assange said.

CNN has not independently confirmed the authenticity of the documents.
The Department of Defense will not comment on them until the Pentagon
has had a chance to look at them, a Defense official told CNN.

“What you have here is you have a variety of reports of different
types,” said New York Times reporter Chris Chivers. “Many of them are
simple incident reports. The military describing … on the ground what
happened. Incident by incident.”

The New York Times reported Sunday that military field documents
included in the release suggest that Pakistan, an ally of the United
States in the war against terror, has been running something of a
“double game,” allowing “representatives of its spy service to meet
directly with the Taliban in secret strategy sessions to organize
networks of militant groups that fight against American soldiers in
Afghanistan, and even hatch plots to assassinate Afghan leaders.”

Herawi charged that Washington needed to deal with Pakistani
intelligence, known as the ISI.

“There should be serious action taken against the ISI, who has a
direct connection with the terrorists,” he said. “These reports show
that the U.S. was already aware of the ISI connection with the al
Qaeda terrorist network. The United States is overdue on the ISI issue
and now the United States should answer.”

But Gen. Hamid Gul, the former head of Pakistan’s intelligence service
and who is mentioned numerous times in the Wikileaks reports, called
the accusations lies.

“These reports are absolutely and utterly false,” Gul said Monday. “I
think they [United States] re failing and they’re looking for
scapegoats.”

CNN iReport: Help crowdsource the documents

Husain Haqqani, Pakistan’s ambassador to the United States, issued a
statement Sunday saying the reports “do not reflect the current
onground realities.”

Rather, they “reflect nothing more than single source comments and
rumors, which abound on both sides of the Pakistan-Afghanistan border
and are often proved wrong after deeper examination,” Haqqani’s
statement said.

“Pakistan’s government under the democratically elected leadership of
President [Asif Ali] Zardari and Prime Minister [Yousuf Raza] Gilani
is following a clearly laid out strategy of fighting and marginalizing
terrorists and our military and intelligence services are effectively
executing that policy,” the statement said.

National Security Adviser Gen. James Jones issued a statement Sunday
calling the documents’ release “irresponsible.”

“The United States strongly condemns the disclosure of classified
information by individuals and organizations which could put the lives
of Americans and our partners at risk, and threaten our national
security,” the statement said.

“These irresponsible leaks will not impact our ongoing commitment to
deepen our partnerships with Afghanistan and Pakistan; to defeat our
common enemies; and to support the aspirations of the Afghan and
Pakistani people,” the statement said.

Assange declined to tell CNN where he got the documents. Jones’
statement said the website made “no effort” to contact the Obama
administration about the documents.

“The United States government learned from news organizations that
these documents would be posted,” Jones’ statement said.

Assange claims the documents reveal the “squalor” of war, uncovering
how many relatively small incidents have added up to huge numbers of
dead civilians.

The significance lies in “all of these people being killed in the
small events that we haven’t heard about that numerically eclipse the
big casualty events. It’s the boy killed by a shell that missed a
target,” he told CNN.

“What we haven’t seen previously is all those individual deaths,” he
said. “We’ve seen just the number and, like Stalin said, ‘One man’s
death is a tragedy, a million dead is a statistic.’ So, we’ve seen the
statistic.”

WikiLeaks publishes anonymously submitted documents, video and other
sensitive materials after vetting them, it says. It claims never to
have fallen for a forgery.

Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman John Kerry, D-
Massachusetts, said in a statement Sunday that the documents —
regardless of how they came to light — “raise serious questions about
the reality of America’s policy toward Pakistan and Afghanistan.”

Wikileaks has previously made headlines for posting controversial
videos of combat in Iraq.

The site gained international attention in April when it posted a 2007
video said to show a U.S. helicopter attack in Iraq killing a dozen
civilians, including two unarmed Reuters journalists.

At the time, Maj. Shawn Turner, a U.S. military spokesman, said that
“all evidence available supported the conclusion by those forces that
they were engaging armed insurgents and not civilians.”

Pfc. Bradley Manning, 22, suspected of leaking a classified 2007
video, has been charged by the U.S. military with eight violations of
the U.S. Criminal Code for transferring classified data, according to
a charge sheet released by the military earlier this month.

Attempts to reach Manning’s military defense attorney, Capt. Paul
Bouchard, were unsuccessful Sunday. However, U.S. Army spokesman Col.
Tom Collins has said Bouchard would not speak to the media about the
charges.

Assange says WikiLeaks has attempted to put together a legal team to
defend Manning, something it will do for any “alleged” whistleblower
that runs into legal trouble because of WikiLeaks.

Assange — a former teen hacker who launched the site in 2007 — denies
that WikiLeaks has put troops in danger.

“There certainly have been people who have lost elections as a result
of material being on WikiLeaks,” he said.

“There have been prosecutions because of material being on WikiLeaks.
There have been legislative reforms because of material being on
WikiLeaks,” he said. “What has not happened is anyone being physically
harmed as a result.”

The website held back about 15,000 documents from Afghanistan to
protect individuals who informed on the Taliban, he said.

But he said he hoped his website would be “very dangerous” to “people
who want to conduct wars in an abusive way.”

“This material doesn’t just reveal occasional abuse by the U.S.
military,” he said. “Of course it has U.S. military reporting on all
sort of abuses by the Taliban. … So it does describe the abuses by
both sides in this war and that’s how people can understand what’s
really going on and if they choose to support it or not.”

Assange said the organization gets material from whistle-blowers in a
variety of ways — including via postal mail — vets it, releases it to
the public and then defends itself against “the regular political or
legal attack.”

He said the organization rarely knows the identity of the source of
the leak. “If we find out at some stage, we destroy that information
as soon as possible,” he said.

CNN Pentagon Correspondent Barbara Starr contributed to this report.

updated 22 minutes ago

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Afghan says it’s ‘shocked’ by leaked U.S. documents
The Afghan government said Monday it was “shocked” as it sifted
through tens of thousands of leaked U.S. military and diplomatic
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Tens of thousands of alleged Afghan war documents go online
A whistle-blower website has published what it says are more than
90,000 United States military and diplomatic reports about Afghanistan
filed between 2004 and January of this year.

updated Tue July 20, 2010
WikiLeaks head steps out of the shadows
A surprise appearance by WikiLeaks.org founder Julian Assange at the
TED Global conference in Oxford, England, has cast new light on the
activities of the site and its mysterious leader.

updated Fri July 16, 2010
WikiLeaks founder: Site getting tons of ‘high caliber’ disclosures
WikiLeaks.org, the website that released secret video of a U.S.
airstrike in Iraq that killed a dozen civilians, is “getting an
enormous quantity of whistle-blower disclosures of high caliber,” the
site’s founder, Julian Assange, said Friday in a rare public
appearance here.

updated Mon June 21, 2010
Secretive website WikiLeaks may be posting more U.S. military video
For a website devoted to exposing secrets, WikiLeaks.org is pretty
good at keeping its own.

Tens of thousands of alleged Afghan war documents go online
From Atika Shubert, CNN
July 26, 2010 1:19 a.m. EDT | Filed under: Web

Afghan war documents on WikiLeaksSTORY HIGHLIGHTS
NEW: Some documents allege Pakistan is aiding insurgency, New York
Times reports
NEW: Sen. John Kerry says documents raise serious questions about
foreign policy
WikiLeaks.org is a whistle-blower website
Its founder says the documents reveal the “squalor” of war

(CNN) — A whistle-blower website has published what it says are more
than 90,000 United States military and diplomatic reports about
Afghanistan filed between 2004 and January of this year.

The first-hand accounts are the military’s own raw data on the war,
including numbers killed, casualties, threat reports and the like,
according to Julian Assange, the founder of WikiLeaks.org, which
published the material Sunday.

“It is the total history of the Afghan war from 2004 to 2010, with
some important exceptions — U.S. Special Forces, CIA activity and most
of the activity of other non-U.S. groups,” Assange said.

CNN has not independently confirmed the authenticity of the documents.
The Department of Defense will not comment on them until the Pentagon
has had a chance to look at them, a Defense official told CNN.

Assange declined to tell CNN where he got the documents. He claims the
documents reveal the “squalor” of war, uncovering how many relatively
small incidents have added up to huge numbers of dead civilians.

Just In blog: What is WikiLeaks?

The significance lies in “all of these people being killed in the
small events that we haven’t heard about that numerically eclipse the
big casualty events. It’s the boy killed by a shell that missed a
target,” he told CNN.

“What we haven’t seen previously is all those individual deaths,” he
said. “We’ve seen just the number and like Stalin said, ‘One man’s
death is a tragedy, a million dead is a statistic.’ So, we’ve seen the
statistic.”

The New York Times reported Sunday that military field documents
included in the release suggest that Pakistan, an ally of the United
States in the war against terror, has been running something of a
“double game,” allowing “representatives of its spy service to meet
directly with the Taliban in secret strategy sessions to organize
networks of militant groups that fight against American soldiers in
Afghanistan, and even hatch plots to assassinate Afghan leaders.”

Husain Haqqani, Pakistan’s ambassador to the United States, issued a
statement Sunday saying the reports “do not reflect the current
onground realities.”

Rather, they “reflect nothing more than single source comments and
rumors, which abound on both sides of the Pakistan-Afghanistan border
and are often proved wrong after deeper examination,” Haqqani’s
statement said.

“Pakistan’s government under the democratically elected leadership of
President (Asif Ali) Zardari and Prime Minister (Yousuf Raza) Gilani
is following a clearly laid out strategy of fighting and marginalizing
terrorists and our military and intelligence services are effectively
executing that policy,” the statement said.

Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman John Kerry, D-
Massachusetts, said in a statement Sunday that the documents —
regardless of how they came to light — “raise serious questions about
the reality of America’s policy toward Pakistan and Afghanistan.

CNN iReport: Help crowdsource the documents

WikiLeaks publishes anonymously submitted documents, video and other
sensitive materials after vetting them, it says. It claims never to
have fallen for a forgery.

It has made headlines for posting controversial videos of combat in
Iraq.

The site gained international attention in April when it posted a 2007
video said to show a U.S. helicopter attack in Iraq killing a dozen
civilians, including two unarmed Reuters journalists.

At the time, Maj. Shawn Turner, a U.S. military spokesman, said that
“all evidence available supported the conclusion by those forces that
they were engaging armed insurgents and not civilians.”

Pfc. Bradley Manning, 22, suspected of leaking a classified 2007
video, has been charged by the U.S. military with eight violations of
the U.S. Criminal Code for transferring classified data, according to
a charge sheet released by the military earlier this month.

Attempts to reach Manning’s military defense attorney, Capt. Paul
Bouchard, were unsuccessful Sunday. However, U.S. Army spokesman Col.
Tom Collins has said Bouchard would not speak to the media about the
charges.

Assange says WikiLeaks has attempted to put together a legal team to
defend Manning, something it will do for any “alleged” whistle-blower
that runs into legal trouble because of WikiLeaks.

Assange, a former teen hacker who launched the site in 2007, denies
that WikiLeaks has put troops in danger.

“There certainly have been people who have lost elections as a result
of material being on WikiLeaks,” he said.

“There have been prosecutions because of material being on WikiLeaks.
There have been legislative reforms because of material being on
WikiLeaks,” he said. “What has not happened is anyone being physically
harmed as a result.”

The website held back about 15,000 documents from Afghanistan to
protect individuals who informed on the Taliban, he said.

But he said he hoped his website would be “very dangerous” to “people
who want to conduct wars in an abusive way.”

“This material doesn’t just reveal occasional abuse by the U.S.
military,” he said. “Of course it has U.S. military reporting on all
sort of abuses by the Taliban. … So it does describe the abuses by
both sides in this war, and that’s how people can understand what’s
really going on and if they choose to support it or not.”

Assange said the organization gets material from whistle-blowers in a
variety of ways — including postal mail. He said WikiLeaks vets it,
releases it to the public and then defends itself against “the regular
political or legal attack.”

He said the organization rarely knows the identity of the source of
the leak. “If we find out at some stage, we destroy that information
as soon as possible,” he said.

CNN’s Barbara Starr contributed to this report.

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WikiLeaks head steps out of the shadows
By Richard Galant, CNN
July 20, 2010 7:31 a.m. EDT

Why the world needs Wikileaks

STORY HIGHLIGHTS

WikiLeaks.org founder Julian Assange makes rare public appearance

He says the site has been overwhelmed by disclosures from whistle-
blowers
Assange said site has disclosed more classified documents than rest of
world’s media combined
He said WikiLeaks will defend Army private accused of leaks but site
won’t name source

Editor’s note: TED, a nonprofit organization devoted to “Ideas Worth
Spreading,” hosts talks on many subjects and makes them available
through its <a href="http://www.ted.com/website.

(CNN) — A surprise appearance by WikiLeaks.org founder Julian Assange
at the TED Global conference in Oxford, England, has cast new light on
the activities of the site and its mysterious leader.

Assange’s site, which released video of a U.S. air strike in Iraq that
killed a dozen civilians, claims to have revealed more classified
intelligence documents than the rest of the world’s media combined.

Explaining during his appearance Friday why WikiLeaks has been keeping
a lower profile since releasing the video, Assange said it was working
on raising funds and strengthening its technical infrastructure to
handle more traffic while accumulating “an enormous quantity of
whistle-blower disclosures.”

He later told reporters that “there are many things which are very
explosive.”

Video: Video shows journalists’ deaths

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Assange, 39, said the site operates from several countries, including
Sweden and Belgium, where laws provide more protection for its
disclosures.

He said he canceled plans to travel to the United States for three
public appearances, citing what he described as indications that U.S.
officials might not follow the “rule of law” in dealing with him. He
also mentioned advice from investigative journalist Seymour Hersh to
be cautious. He said U.S. officials have since adopted a more
“reasonable” stance.

TED Global is an annual conference hosted by the nonprofit
organization TED, named after the three subjects it first began
discussing in the 1980s: technology, entertainment and design. It has
expanded its scope in the years since and its website now hosts more
than 700 talks on a wide range of topics.

Learn more about speakers at the TED Global conference

In an onstage discussion with TED curator Chris Anderson, Assange was
asked whether is was true he had attended 37 schools as a child. He
explained it was a consequence of two things: his parents were in the
movie business and were later “on the run from a cult.” Assange said
he became a “journalist activist” in his teenage years and was
prosecuted for it.

According to political magazine Mother Jones: “As a teenager in
Melbourne, he belonged to a hacker collective called the International
Subversives. He eventually pled guilty to 24 counts of breaking into
Australian government and commercial websites to test their security
gaps, but was released on bond for good behavior.”

Asked about his core values, Assange said, “Capable, generous men do
not create victims, they nurture victims,” attributing the thought to
his father and others.

“I’m a combative person, so I’m not actually so big on the nurture,
but there is another way of nurturing victims, which is to police
perpetrators of crimes. And so that is something that has been in my
character for a long time.”

Read more about Assange and his site

Assange said the organization gets material from whistle-blowers in a
variety of ways — including postal mail. He said WikiLeaks vets it,
releases it to the public and then defends itself against “political
or legal attack.” He said the organization rarely knows the identity
of the source of the leak.

“If we find out at some stage, we destroy that information as soon as
possible,” he said.

Pfc. Bradley E. Manning, 22, of Potomac, Maryland, has been charged
with eight violations of the U.S. Criminal Code for allegedly
illegally transferring classified data, including the video that wound
up on WikiLeaks. He has been accused of “wrongfully introducing a
classified video of a military operation filmed at or near Baghdad,
Iraq” around July 12, 2007, “onto his personal computer, a nonsecure
information system.”

Watch the video of the airstrike

Assange said at a news conference after his appearance Friday that
Manning “is a political prisoner being held in the nation of Kuwait,
effectively keeping him away from the press and effective legal
representation.”

He said WikiLeaks is providing legal assistance to Manning without
saying whether he was the source of the video.

“Obviously, we cannot pick and choose,” said Assange, adding the site
has to defend everyone who faces serious charges as a result of
material posted on WikiLeaks.

The video shows aerial footage of an attack by a U.S. Apache
helicopter that killed civilians, including two journalists from the
Reuters news service. WikiLeaks posted it in April. The site said the
video “clearly shows the unprovoked slaying of a wounded Reuters
employee and his rescuers.”

Asked to respond to Assange’s assertion that Manning is a political
prisoner, Pentagon spokesman Col. David Lapan told CNN last week that
Manning is “accused of committing serious offenses. He has been
charged under the Uniform Code of Military Justice and will be
processed by normal procedures through the military justice system.”

U.S. military authorities have warned that the publication of
classified documents on WikiLeaks could aid in the planning of
terrorist attacks and harm national security.

Assange denied reports that WikiLeaks had received hundreds of
thousands of classified U.S. cables in addition to the Iraq video. He
said the site would have released the cables if it had received them.

Some information, such as private medical records, should be kept
secret, Assange said, but he did not extend that view to classified
documents. The fact that governments spend money to keep such
information secret, Assange said, is a good indication that releasing
the information can achieve reform.

Anderson asked the audience for a show of hands as to whether he was a
hero or a dangerous troublemaker. The vast majority signaled that they
viewed him as a hero.

CNN’s Mike Mount and Alan Silverleib contributed to this report.

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soundoff (504 Comments)

firstmover Assange also said that the people in Iraq don’t need to see
this video, because they see it every day. It doesn’t change Iraqi’s
opinion of us. It happens to their families every day.
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beartaco WikiLeaks are among the first symptoms of incontinence
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NewAgeMan Got to hand it to him. The guy is almost singlehandedly
holding open, for the rest of us, a gateway of new possibility, in the
very face of rising global tyranny. Love it!
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dirtybird Armed civilians? They had AK-47′s and RPG launchers. Anyone
walking around a warzone with an RPG launcher is not a “civilian”, as
you preposterously claim. Check 0:50 of the footage. You can clearly
see an AK-47 and an RPG launcher held by the two men behind the
reporter.
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BartFargo I think the average African farmer is better educated about
the world than you are.
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URwrngIMrite I know you’re not going to explain counterinsurgency
strategies or ROE, because it’s quite obvious you don’t have a clue
about either. All you can do is post pseudo-intellectual, snide,
America Last remarks.
Oh, and until you actually get that PhD, you don’t have more education
than I.
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BartFargo
I didn’t say we need to walk up to them and ask them whether they’re
friend or foe before engaging them. I said it’s pointless for a
*helicopter* to shoot at bands of civilians that aren’t threatening
the helicopter in any way. I’m not going to explain the complexities
of the Iraqi and Afghan coun… more
I didn’t say we need to walk up to them and ask them whether they’re
friend or foe before engaging them. I said it’s pointless for a
*helicopter* to shoot at bands of civilians that aren’t threatening
the helicopter in any way. I’m not going to explain the complexities
of the Iraqi and Afghan counterinsurgency strategies to you- frankly
it’s a waste of intellect because all I’ve ever seen you do is spout
shallow talking points. Nor will I tell you where I’m studying for
both my MD and my PhD, because that’s private information. less
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URwrngIMrite
That is what you said. It’s right there below. Helos shouldn’t fire
are armed non-uniformed people without first establishing intent. I
can just see you over there: “No, don’t fire on those guys digging a
hole and placing a device by the side of the road, Specialist, we
haven’t established their … more
That is what you said. It’s right there below. Helos shouldn’t fire
are armed non-uniformed people without first establishing intent.
I can just see you over there: “No, don’t fire on those guys digging a
hole and placing a device by the side of the road, Specialist, we
haven’t established their intent and don’t want to leap to a
conclusion and be accused of prejudice and arrogance.”
Oh, and where did you get your PhD again? less
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BartFargo Not really what I’m saying…at all. Just goes to show again
that a person without education makes assumptions and leaps to
conclusion based on their inner prejudice and arrogance.
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URwrngIMrite By BartFargo’s logic, we’d first need to walk up to the
potential insurgents carrying AKs and RPGs and question them to
establish intent before we could engage them with force.
Just goes to show how a person with education can still lack common
sense due to their biased, “America Last” attitude.
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BartFargo Not anymore- counter-insurgency is a different kind of war
than the kind you’ve been taught to love and praise.
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URwrngIMrite Genius, armed non-uniformed people ARE a threat to ANYONE
in a war zone!
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sphinc armed people in combat zone = enemy unless you identify them as
friendly in my book.
the only concern in this situation needs to be making certain that
they’re not friendly troops
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BartFargo Then if helicopters can’t establish “intent” they shouldn’t
fire on groups of armed civilians that pose no threat to them.
5 days ago | Like (2) | Report abuse
URwrngIMrite The only difference between “armed civilian” and
“insurgent” is intent. Kinda hard to distinguish in a helo that far
away in a war zone.
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aatami This is a true hero!
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Sportsfan206 Steps out of the shadows? CNN, he was on The Colbert
Report 2 months ago talking about this. Wow.
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froggs Julian Assange deserves a Nobel prize for his outstanding
service and journalism. this guy is paving the way for freedom of
speech and transparency. it’s about time the entire world holds their
own people accountable and show the truth.
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Sportsfan206 froggs – i think he was talking to sphinc, not you
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froggs BartFargo – did i say that? no, i didn’t. regarding the
military, they should be held accountable for their wrongdoing, by any
and all involved, especially because they are there to serve and
protect lives, not kill innocent people.
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snoop0x7b BartFargo: Fetishist is close, but I think it misses the
mark… I think the word you’re looking for here is fascist.
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BartFargo So the military shouldn’t be held accountable by the
civilians which they are supposedly serving to protect? That makes a
lot of sense. Military fetishist.
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sphinc
I think what Julian is doing is right on actually.what I think is more
important, however, is that it is totally unnecessary when it comes
with the military–the military can/should not be judged by the media
and the monday-morning quarterbacks sitting in their safe comfortable
armchairs about what … more
I think what Julian is doing is right on actually.
what I think is more important, however, is that it is totally
unnecessary when it comes with the military–the military can/should
not be judged by the media and the monday-morning quarterbacks sitting
in their safe comfortable armchairs about what should have happened.
next step if these come in conflict is complete news blackout from all
combat zones…watch…it’s the only logical step if the unrealistic
amongst us continue to pontificate on what they deserve. less
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Sportsfan206 froggs, now I know you don’t think that is the only time
they have done that to a video…

I agree with your point that this is a good and needed site. However I
find some of their practices a bit suspect. That doesn’t mean I don’t
like the site though.
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BartFargo The Nobel Peace Prize has been a joke since Kissinger won it…
long before Obama and Al Gore.
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froggs Sportsfan – my comment was in general, not specific to that
particular leaked video. freedom of speech and transparency is needed
all over the place, not just that one incident.
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URwrngIMrite Well, if Algore and Obama can win one, I’m sure this guy
can!
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Sportsfan206
Well, I wouldn’t call it transparency. The site gives a title on the
website that illicits a negative response towards the military, and
then you view an edited version of the actual tape. Only then does it
give you the option to view the recording in it’s entirety. I don’t
see any other reason t… more
Well, I wouldn’t call it transparency. The site gives a title on the
website that illicits a negative response towards the military, and
then you view an edited version of the actual tape. Only then does it
give you the option to view the recording in it’s entirety. I don’t
see any other reason to show the edited version first other than
trying to manipulate the viewer. less
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MrRyab @McCluck Seriously please explane how these heli pilots were
defending my freedom by killing children or how the deaths of these
inocent people saved many more lives for the greater good lol
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snoop0x7b
McCluck: the issue is we don’t know the whole story and no one cares
to share the whole story. That’s the overwhelming issue against which
wikileaks fights, how can we make an informed judgement on anything
without information? What’s our tax $$ going towards, what evidence
does the government have … more
McCluck: the issue is we don’t know the whole story and no one cares
to share the whole story. That’s the overwhelming issue against which
wikileaks fights, how can we make an informed judgement on anything
without information? What’s our tax $$ going towards, what evidence
does the government have to convict John Doh… they’re all questions
wikileaks tries to answer. The reason wikileaks exists is we don’t
know that information and the government doesn’t care to share it
because it may influence our opinions against a certain agenda.

Whether you agree with the assessment of what those soldiers did or
not, it’s important to have all of the evidence and all of the
information. If I’m going to make an informed decision about which
politician for whom to vote, what to write to my congressman or
senator, I damn well want to know the facts. less
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McCluck Anyway, thanks for trying to call me out on something I didn’t
say, MrRyab. Maybe you should read more carefully.
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McCluck
that is a point that needed to be made but in my origional posts i
never said anything about the heli pilot or the victims. People just
see what they want. I was talking about wikileaks and coverups. Mainly
i said that coverups are not always unjustified in my opinion. People
cant handle the trut… more
that is a point that needed to be made but in my origional posts i
never said anything about the heli pilot or the victims. People just
see what they want.

I was talking about wikileaks and coverups. Mainly i said that
coverups are not always unjustified in my opinion. People cant handle
the truth and dont understand why we must do something like this. Its
easy to judge from the couch at home while taking our freedoms for
granted.-but if covering up this incident is going to help us maintain
support at home, and if we should indeed be there in the first place,
then it is possibly justified. less
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Sportsfan206
I will defend McCluck by saying this. 9,10,11 year olds carry guns in
Africa as part of children army’s. Soldiers have to deal with it daily
when we are on the ground over there. They use residential areas and
civilians for cover. Now someone shooting a video can capture a
soldier gunning down a… more
I will defend McCluck by saying this. 9,10,11 year olds carry guns in
Africa as part of children army’s. Soldiers have to deal with it daily
when we are on the ground over there. They use residential areas and
civilians for cover. Now someone shooting a video can capture a
soldier gunning down a child, but not show you that child had just
fired two clips into a crown of hundreds. It certainly wouldn’t look
very good for the soldier, even though he was justified.

I’m not saying that’s what happened here, far from it. But I believe
that is the point he’s trying to make. less
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McCluck
if you look below you will see that i specifically said that i dont
know enouph about this situation to judge it. I simply said that some
bad things can be justified for the greater good. We lost vietnam
largely due to a PR nightmare at home, so the coverup may have been
needed. Can i justify it?… more
if you look below you will see that i specifically said that i dont
know enouph about this situation to judge it. I simply said that some
bad things can be justified for the greater good. We lost vietnam
largely due to a PR nightmare at home, so the coverup may have been
needed. Can i justify it? No. Do you know the whole story? no Do i? No-
but its not black and white. less
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Mobi25
It didnt help or make you any safer. These pilots should be held
accountable for their actions. Please understand though before they
fired they did think that these people were combatants. You could say
“they should have done this or done that” to confirm the target.You
can really say or believe wha… more
It didnt help or make you any safer. These pilots should be held
accountable for their actions. Please understand though before they
fired they did think that these people were combatants. You could say
“they should have done this or done that” to confirm the target.You
can really say or believe whatever you want about it but until you
actually are put in that situation you don’t know what the pilots were
thinking or what they thought they saw. The sad fact about war is
mistakes do happen. less
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MrRyab “war is war” yeah thats all fine and good untill some one kills
your inocent children for no reason.
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waistedmenke in case you forgot, that’s happend already. ask the
family members of the dead at the WTC.
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BeerMan5000
@sreams: Military and espionage agencies all lie all the time about
all kinds of things.The guys in the air made a terrible mistake. It’s
one that lot’s of people could have made under the same circumstances.
The guys in the air should definitely be grounded permanently, but
these kinds of deaths … more
@sreams: Military and espionage agencies all lie all the time about
all kinds of things.

The guys in the air made a terrible mistake. It’s one that lot’s of
people could have made under the same circumstances. The guys in the
air should definitely be grounded permanently, but these kinds of
deaths are almost completely unavoidable in a protracted military
engagement.

I’m not trying to excuse what happened, or white wash what our
military did by lying here. It was a bad decision that hurts their
credibility when they most need to be percieved as honest.

The gunner incorrectly identified targets and fired on civilians. It’s
a career ender. That guy will have to live with that on his conscious
for the rest of his days. Contrary to popular belief sometimes, our
guys are regular human beings, some of them are good men and some of
them are dispicable; and all of them make mistakes, including
extremely terrible ones like this. I can’t speak for the nature of the
character of the guys how are responsible for this shooting, but
clearly lying about it was the wrong thing for the brass to do.

If it weren’t for bad leadership like this, I really would have
enjoyed my time in service. less
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JSTChicago I realize this isn’t the point of the article, but did
anyone else say to themselves “omg, that guy is only 39?!” when they
read his age? He looks like he’s 70.
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waistedmenke i just figured he was an albino or something wonky like
that. maybe he stripped his hair for that interview to “disguise” his
looks?
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Barrinmw Some people get genetically early white hair. Think Leslie
Nielsen. Hell, my grandma’s hair went from Red to Completely White in
her mid to late 20′s.
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ScipioRising Why isn’t his site just called
WikileaksStuffFromTheRightAndHidesStuffFromTheLeft.dips***.
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tearoller Yes, like the Climategate emails Wikileaks exposed that did
untold damage to environmental causes. They’re obviously a left wing
organization.
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DarthWoo
Though they have in fact hosted material that many would consider
leftist (for example, the Climategate emails, which ultimately turned
out to be much ado about nothing) I would venture to say that perhaps
it just turns out that the political right ends up with more damning
materials that they’d lik… more
Though they have in fact hosted material that many would consider
leftist (for example, the Climategate emails, which ultimately turned
out to be much ado about nothing) I would venture to say that perhaps
it just turns out that the political right ends up with more damning
materials that they’d like to hide. less
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BeerMan5000 That’s an idiotic thing to say.

For one thing, the federal government and military are neither right
nor left as much as republicans would like to claim the military as
being their property.

Secondly, there are left wing leaks all over wikileaks. You’d know
that if you actually went there.
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Barrinmw LOL, I have a feeling you are biased.
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Barrinmw You go Wikileaks, uncover those things that governments
wrongfully keep hidden, now will someone please leak the warren report
to them, I wanna know who killed Kennedy.
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Barrinmw
Actually, I am only slightly left leaning, more moderate then most
liberals. I just think that most conservatives are conservatives
because they don’t know any better. I also think that many of the
under educated conservatives are highly hypocritical. True, there are
hypocritical liberals, but no… more
Actually, I am only slightly left leaning, more moderate then most
liberals. I just think that most conservatives are conservatives
because they don’t know any better. I also think that many of the
under educated conservatives are highly hypocritical. True, there are
hypocritical liberals, but not nearly the same amount as
conservatives. less
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Barrinmw
Actually, I am only slightly left leaning, more moderate then most
liberals. I just think that most conservatives are conservatives
because they don’t know any better. I also think that many of the
under educated conservatives are highly hypocritical. True, there are
hypocritical liberals, but no… more
Actually, I am only slightly left leaning, more moderate then most
liberals. I just think that most conservatives are conservatives
because they don’t know any better. I also think that many of the
under educated conservatives are highly hypocritical. True, there are
hypocritical liberals, but not nearly the same amount as
conservatives. less
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pulse1 I take it from your comments you turn to the left faster than a
Texas tornado.
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pulse1
“As a teenager in Melbourne, he belonged to a hacker collective called
the International Subversives. He eventually pled guilty to 24 counts
of breaking into Australian government and commercial websites to test
their security gaps, but was released on bond for good behavior.”Leave
it up to people t… more
“As a teenager in Melbourne, he belonged to a hacker collective called
the International Subversives. He eventually pled guilty to 24 counts
of breaking into Australian government and commercial websites to test
their security gaps, but was released on bond for good behavior.”
Leave it up to people today to think this guy is a hero! Idiots! less
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rAdam82 In 50 to 60 years, Military Generals will need to be hackers,
or employ the best hackers. No matter if you like it or not, hackers
are the future of national security. We need them
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Barrinmw Yeah, because people should be judged for the rest of their
lives for what they did as a teenager. Sure.
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soldier1436
People like this end up endangering/ruining more lives. If he was
doing it for the right reasons that why was the video in its entirety
not played? It is easy to make assumption if you are given a small
piece to the puzzle, while any loss of life is unfortunate I doubt my
comrades in arms would ha… more
People like this end up endangering/ruining more lives. If he was
doing it for the right reasons that why was the video in its entirety
not played? It is easy to make assumption if you are given a small
piece to the puzzle, while any loss of life is unfortunate I doubt my
comrades in arms would have done it without cause. less
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froggs
Assange isn’t endangering/ruining more lives, those who committed the
atrocity are…hold THEM accountable for their wrongdoing. stop blaming
Assange for the truth, blame those who Assange is leaking the truth
about…THEY are endangering lives. time to release the rest of the
pieces of the puzzle t… more
Assange isn’t endangering/ruining more lives, those who committed the
atrocity are…hold THEM accountable for their wrongdoing. stop blaming
Assange for the truth, blame those who Assange is leaking the truth
about…THEY are endangering lives. time to release the rest of the
pieces of the puzzle then to explain their “cause”….especially if the
rest of the pieces reveals a different truth once released. less
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Thevian Yes, let’s hide all those abuses at Abu Ghraib because
governments should be allowed to keep doing what they do with
impunity.
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Barrinmw Why wasn’t it played for the full time in the video? Cause
its a long video, I have seen the whole video and its pretty bad.
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sciencenews Web sites should never post information that could
endanger a specific mission or a soldier’s safety. However, citizens
have the right to know what actions their government is taking and
it’s reasoning behind those actions.
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ttf204 god bless this man
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leeyie wikileaks will lead to gross inflammatory stories as a
sensationalist news outlet.
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BartFargo They release raw leaks, provided to them by their sources.
On the other hand Fox News, and also CNN, take their stories and work
them up into sensationalist causes to improve ratings.
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McCluck
People are too dumb to know the truth. We don’t really want to know
what happens to protect our freedoms. Do what is in the best interest
of our country and do it behind closed doors if you have to. A baby
should die to save 10 individuals but it looks really bad if you watch
that baby die while s… more
People are too dumb to know the truth. We don’t really want to know
what happens to protect our freedoms. Do what is in the best interest
of our country and do it behind closed doors if you have to. A baby
should die to save 10 individuals but it looks really bad if you watch
that baby die while sitting on your couch taking for granted that
those 10 people will always live. In that case it just looks like your
killing a baby. We have forgotten what its like to live with a threat
to our existence. less
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McCluck oh i see what your saying. Except they can tell you all they
want that they fight for your freedom but we just take that for
granted since we have lived in a world of isolation and safety for so
long.-this is why we dont see those 10 people being saved, only the
dead baby.
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McCluck
your freedoms are the 10 people who live and the cover up (which has a
bad connotation) is killing the babies. Ie we se the cover up and dont
see the reason for that cover up. Only the ones involved have that
answere so i am unable to say whether it is justified or not in this
case.Simply put, any… more
your freedoms are the 10 people who live and the cover up (which has a
bad connotation) is killing the babies. Ie we se the cover up and dont
see the reason for that cover up. Only the ones involved have that
answere so i am unable to say whether it is justified or not in this
case.

Simply put, anything can be justified (covering something up) if its
for the greater good in my opinion. less
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froggs
taking your example…whoever has information of the full situation
about the baby AND the “10 people who live”…now has the opportunity to
explain or release that information so we understand the whole picture…
especially since their cover has been blown by wikileaks. so it
doesn’t matter that wi… more
taking your example…whoever has information of the full situation
about the baby AND the “10 people who live”…now has the opportunity to
explain or release that information so we understand the whole picture…
especially since their cover has been blown by wikileaks. so it
doesn’t matter that wikileaks leaks the “killing of the baby” and
that’s all we see…there is opportunity for those who know to show the
10 who lived. less
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Jefe23 I understand your point McCluck, but with some of the
inappropriate influences and conflicts of interest in our government
(pharmeceutical, weapons manufacturers, energy, and nation-building
corporations, to name a few), we somehow need to police it a bit more.
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McCluck I didnt say that. Has no one ever heard that thought
experiment before? You have got to be kidding me.
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Thevian Launchpad McCluck here would advocate killing a baby to
harvest its organs to save 10 elderly retirees.
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McCluck considering we are fighting a PR war at home, this coverup may
have served the greater good (our country in this case), I will never
know and i hope someone smart is making those decisions. I dont think
its as black and white as “never cover something up” or “always cover
something up”.
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mayaculpa A baby should not die to save 10 individuals. That’s about
as ridiculous a generalization as anything ever said by a supposedly
intelligent human being. But then…..
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BartFargo Alright, fair enough.
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PIH Except in this case no one need to die to save others. The
reporters were just killed and then incident was covered up.
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McCluck I dont know enouph about this specific situation to judge it.
Few people do. And you certainly wont get all that info from the
media. I was talking less about this incident and more about the whole
idea of wikileaks.
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BartFargo Killing reporters and children that posed no direct threat
to the helicopter that shot them is hardly comparable to the moral
dilemma of ending one life to save 10.
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pulse1 Troublemaker that most likely will come up missing someday.
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tearoller People like him need to be dealt with appropriately to
protect us.
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Charellw I think Wikileaks is needed. Now, what I want to know is,
when will the UFO/Extraterrestrial information will find it’s way to
Wikileaks? I have always been called by others “combative.” Yeah, I
am.
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BeerMan5000
Never. Why? Because we are too far away from any other possibly
inhabitable planet to visit.I’m not kidding. FTL travel probably isn’t
possible. Even if it was, there’s only a handfull of planets near
enough to us to traverse that distance within the times span of
several centuries. Like it or … more
Never. Why? Because we are too far away from any other possibly
inhabitable planet to visit.

I’m not kidding. FTL travel probably isn’t possible. Even if it was,
there’s only a handfull of planets near enough to us to traverse that
distance within the times span of several centuries. Like it or not,
we’re going to be hermits in our solar system for the rest of the
existance of humanity. less
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BartFargo Wikileaks relies on its sources to submit information.
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YOGABAGABA is there something wrong with his hair?
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TheLegendary ROBIE…the little green one. Ah wish I didnt have to watch
that show, but the kids love it, and its educational I suppose
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YOGABAGABA lol too
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TheLegendary No, there’s something wrong with ur childrens show user
name, LOL.
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dreams78
Are you really that small minded captrepub?? Why would he need to edit
material that clearly shows US forces going well beyond the limits of
the constitution? Open your eyes. Things like this happen all over the
world and are covered up. Its nice that somebody actually has the
balls to stand up… more
Are you really that small minded captrepub?? Why would he need to edit
material that clearly shows US forces going well beyond the limits of
the constitution? Open your eyes. Things like this happen all over the
world and are covered up. Its nice that somebody actually has the
balls to stand up to these bully governments. less
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URwrngIMrite Really? “Beyond the limits of the constitution”, Capt.
Hyperbole?
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AngryFag They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
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tearoller Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice.
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captrepub This guy edits and plays partial video to stir up hate. He
should be tried for treason. He is completely an american hating
liberal. He is no hero, he is trash
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Jefe23 He’s a liberal because he’s against crime? Does that mean
conservatives love crime? And when did we form a world government
where a citizen of Australia can be tried for treason for releasing
U.S. Classified information?
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PIH Treason against what country. He is not an American citizen and is
not in the U.S.A.
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JamBar Your point of view was outvoted.
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BartFargo If ignorance is bliss, why are you so upset?
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TheLegendary In what way is he a Liberal.
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CitizenXXX Nice ignorance. You must be very blissful.
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TriTech
Why is attached link titled ” Video shows death…” I watched further
and its explained as “out of respect…” it was edited out. Ok but
change the title of the linked video. 2. Dont get the gun camera/
audio id on AK-47s or RPGs weapons.. Where’s the rifle barrels?. What
it does look like is…cam… more
Why is attached link titled ” Video shows death…” I watched further
and its explained as “out of respect…” it was edited out. Ok but
change the title of the linked video. 2. Dont get the gun camera/
audio id on AK-47s or RPGs weapons.. Where’s the rifle barrels?. What
it does look like is…camera bags. less
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mcboo
The importance of what this man is doing can not be stressed enough.
Secrecy is the enemy of freedom, liberty & justice.And as to the
military official who claims things like the video may aide the enemy
or be a national security threat, I say this – acting foolishly &
lying about it is the real thr… more
The importance of what this man is doing can not be stressed enough.
Secrecy is the enemy of freedom, liberty & justice.

And as to the military official who claims things like the video may
aide the enemy or be a national security threat, I say this – acting
foolishly & lying about it is the real threat. The ironic thing about
many leaks of the video’s nature is that the only people who are
really in the dark about the truth are we Americans. The rest of the
world KNOWS what our gov’t is doing in our name. Our “enemies”
certainly do. If you’re bombing villages into oblivion, leaving a
nation without power & water for YEARS, & killing women & children
you’re going to pi$$ off a lot of people who will seek vengeance…
Keeping the average Joe in the US of A in the dark about it with a
secrecy or a cover story isn’t going to change that. And when the
reality is “leaked”, average Joe is simply the last person on earth to
fond out. less
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LogicalSarca War is War. War does not mean Fun/Party/Vacation/etc. All
journalists know risks when on assignment. Not at all saying
journalists deserved to be attacked, however it is easy to criticize
soldiers’ actions from the safety of a computer. Shame on Wiki for
pointing fingers.

U.S.A.
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rAdam82 @tinwatchman they posted an edited version of the video.
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tinwatchman I don’t believe they have pointed any fingers. As far as I
know, they merely posted the video – the raw data – online, and
allowed people to come to their own judgments. Do you oppose that?
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BartFargo Yes, you can criticize Wikileaks for pointing fingers at the
soldiers’ actions in the heat of the moment. But, their exposure of
the video which had been the subject of a military coverup was a noble
gesture exposing systematic corruption within the military.
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comonsensegu
“Some information, such as private medical records, should be kept
secret, Assange said, but he did not extend that view to classified
documents. The fact that governments spend money to keep such
information secret, Assange said, is a good indication that releasing
the information can achieve refor… more
“Some information, such as private medical records, should be kept
secret, Assange said, but he did not extend that view to classified
documents. The fact that governments spend money to keep such
information secret, Assange said, is a good indication that releasing
the information can achieve reform”…WOW. now THAT is scary. a guy that
sees no need to protect CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS! i am all for freedom of
the press, but there MUST be a line drawn someplace. This guy out to
be arrested and jailed. If he is smart, he will avoid countries (like
England) in the future that has an extradition treaty with the USA. i
like the site, but this crosses the line. Terrorists are trying to
kill us, and here is this j@ckA$$ saying he will post classified
documents? i know why he avoids the USA now. he’d be jailed in a
heartbeat. less
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BartFargo “Please, oh please, protect me from the truth! The world is
simply too dangerous for me to be exposed to the light, keep me in the
dark and feed me crap lies like a safe little mushroom.”
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tinwatchman Lots of things can be classified. Not everything *should
be.*
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KrashUndBurn
sreams: denying the presence of the RPG does not make it go away.
There was an RPG and there was ALSO a telephoto lens. Two people – two
objects. The RPG is shown clearly in the video and you can see the
heavy set guy with the striped shirt swinging it around, especially
toward the beginning of the … more
sreams: denying the presence of the RPG does not make it go away.

There was an RPG and there was ALSO a telephoto lens. Two people – two
objects. The RPG is shown clearly in the video and you can see the
heavy set guy with the striped shirt swinging it around, especially
toward the beginning of the video as he stands near the guy with the
rifle. When he’s killed he’s leaning on it while standing beside the
cameraman. Again – telephoto lens + RPG – these TWO separate objects
are shown at the same time, same frame. One of the bodies was found
laying on top of an RPG round. You can also see a rifle laying on the
ground later, at the corner where the group was first shot at.

Some people here need to acquaint themselves with this weapon – it’s
very distinctive in appearance, especially when it has a rocket-
assisted grenade in it. It’s also not a weapon you would see being
used by a so-called “bodyguard” protecting journalists from being
“kidnapped” as I saw someone say here.

Insurgents don’t waste rounds to shoot at gunships way off in the
distance (which is where the gunship was). RPGs aren’t made for that,
although I’d concede the insurgents might take a shot at a helicopter
that’s close and moving slowly. RPG’s are best for anti-armor attacks,
like oh, for example, an attack on the convoy that was just down the
road at the time of the airstrike.

Someone here wondered why the casual nature of these guys. They
obviously didn’t know the gunship was tracking them is why. They’re
also not the sharpest “troops” you will find, because essentially they
aren’t really “troops” but civilians with guns instead. Does this mean
they should not be considered combatants?

Ask yourselves why this group of males was there, in a battle zone, in
the first place. To get a picture of a humvee? 12 men? Really?

Any person in this area holding an RPG is not an innocent civilian,
and it should be abundantly clear by now that you don’t want to stand
next to the guy holding one, either. less
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TheLegendary I hear the choppers hoverin’
They’re hoverin overhead, they’ve come to get the wounded
They’ve come to get the dead…Airborne….Rangers…lead the way. Hooah!
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TheLegendary I hear the choppers hoverin’
They’re hoverin overhead, they’ve come to get the wounded
They’ve come to get the dead…Airborne….Rangers…lead the way. Hooah!
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KrashUndBurn

Bartfargo, I am opposed to the war and was sympathetic to wikileaks
before I saw the video, and until I saw the video myself had no reason
to suspect anything other than a documented attack on civilians, as
they claimed.

WikiLeaks has real evil in this world to combat, and I wish them
success, but I think they have been misguided here.

This was a war situation, and I simpy don’t agree with them that an
atrocity took place. less
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TheLegendary You know nothing of combat…The helicopter was far away
with a zoomed in lense…You couldn’t tell from the delay of the sound
of the guns and them landing – go ahead and look again. And a
helicopter in a combat zone is like car horn in New York City, ya dig.
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KrashUndBurn

“”"When is it part of our Rules of Engagement to fire upon rescuing
vehicles”"”"

This is where things got questionable in my view. They appeared to be
concerned that the people in the van were going to cart off the bodies
and weapons before the ground troops got there. A few warning rounds
would have stopped that in a heartbeat. less
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BartFargo

Furthermore, bullets travel at small multiples of the speed of sound.
Anyone who has seen a musical or an opera knows that even in that
space the lag due to the speed at which sound travels is noticeable. A
helicopter is extremely loud and can be heard from quite a distance,
especially since it was circling them before the attack. less
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BartFargo No, a clue is what you need to get before you analyze a
video after already making up your mind as to what you’ll decide.
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KrashUndBurn

“”"Insisting they had an RPG when there’s no concrete evidence to
support your claim”"”

I can see it in the video. So can you. It’s not hidden.

“”"If they were a hostile group planning an attack, how could they not
hear the helicopter hovering directly above them and not taken
defensive cover?”"”

I believe I already discussed this. The gunship was far away. Watch
the video and note the time between when the rounds are fired and when
you see actually them strike the ground. That’s called a “clue”. less
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URwrngIMrite Insisting the Reuters “reporters” were anything but a
couple hired guys with cameras friendly with insurgents without
concrete evidence to the contrary doesn’t make it so.
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TheLegendary Spoken from an army vet…”When is it part of our Rules of
Engagement to fire upon rescuing vehicles” The Army values Honor,
INTEGRITY, selfless-service – Show me how they were applied in the
video.
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BartFargo

Insisting they had an RPG when there’s no concrete evidence to support
your claim likewise doesn’t make it so. If they were a hostile group
planning an attack, how could they not hear the helicopter hovering
directly above them and not taken defensive cover? Your theory is as
full of holes as the van the helicopter gunner glibly shot up. less
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monza

I think it’s great. Shame on mass media for perpetuating bs propaganda
instead of REAL news. Shame on all of you that enjoy being lied to or
think it’s for some greater good. You’ve been had! Your minds and
lives have become malleable little play things, bent and shaped to the
will of the powers that be. The truth will set us free!! less
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tinwatchman In general, I think WikiLeaks is a good thing. As
difficult as Manning’s actions might make life for the military, I
think we need to be held accountable for our actions in Iraq and
elsewhere.
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fistv Otherwise mistakes would just be classified, buried and redacted
at some future point. There are still classified documents from the
1800′s and the civil war where even the classifications are
classified.
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Guest Look at this guy – what a weenie. ya, what a real hero. The USG
needs to prosecute this guy along with the private and others that
divulge classified materials. Seymour Hersh – he is a real hero too.
Committed treason numerous times, but gets to walk among us.
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URwrngIMrite Where’d you get your PhD?
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BartFargo Er, *younger* and better educated.
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BartFargo LOL, I wasn’t even alive for Vietnam and Watergate. I’m
probably older and better educated than you, though.
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URwrngIMrite BartFargo–lemme guess…you’re a pseudo-intellectual aging
hippie who was disillusioned by the Vietnam War and Watergate.
Close?
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TheLegendary …spoken from the classified guest.
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tinwatchman If you’re talking about Hersh’s exposure on the My Lai
massacre, I believe he did the right thing. Nothing justifies an
atrocity like that.
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BartFargo Urwrng, when was the last time you had an original thought?
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URwrngIMrite BartFargo, exactly when did your “America Last” sentiment
start?
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BartFargo Your steady diet of Hollywood action films has led you to
believe that all heroes must be big, beefy, gun-toting white men. What
a shame to be so brainwashed.
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MesomorphicM I thought Andy Warhol died a long time ago?
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Midas

More like he’s keeping a low profile because he fears for his life,
for good reason. Do you think the most powerful government’s in the
world are going to sit back and let this nerd blast the net with this
damaging material? if he was in China he would already be in black
jail chasing roaches for dinner…good luck you rebel. less
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TheLegendary Yes, yes the most powerful govt.’s are going to just sit
back and watch it happen.
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TheLegendary Yes, yes the most powerful govt.’s are going to just sit
back and watch it happen.
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BartFargo Fortunately due to the structure of the Wikileaks website a
government would basically need to dismantle the entire internet to
take Wikileaks down. Imprisoning Assange is one way to guarantee that
all the info Wikileaks is holding on to would be immediately released,
raw and unfiltered.
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igsource Why is the Army so mad? They released thousands of hrs of
footage of WW2 that showed bombing that killed a lot more people.
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BartFargo Ever since Vietnam, they have become very aware of the fact
that raw footage of killing and battle can be very damaging to the
public’s support for a war. Hence their efforts to launch a massive PR
assault through the media via embedded reporters, press releases, etc.
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Guest HE IS NOT A HERO NEITHER A VILLAN HE IS A MONEY AND FAME LOVER.
HE LOVE HIMSELF AND THE SOUND OF HIS VOICE
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sreams Sure. So anyone who exposes corruption is in it for himself… so
the corruption is thus okay and should not be dealt with. Beautiful.
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catallergy “HE LOVE HIMSELF AND THE SOUND OF HIS VOICE ”

Says the guy who writes in caps lock.
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BeerMan5000

I agree that this serves some purpose, even a noble one… BUT…

Wikileaks is a double edged sword that can be used to decieve as well
as inform.

Covertly obtained data isn’t always accurate and isn’t always easy to
interpret. GW, for instance, used some bad intel to justify the war in
Iraq using any intel he could find when his team wasn’t just making
stuff up (portable suitcase nuclear bomb would be less dangerous than
a C4 bomb of the same size due to a lack of fissile material). That’s
not a partisan attack, that’s what happens when people don’t use due
diligence. (Unless the CIA knew damn well it was all flimsy intel,
which is completely within the realm of possibility)

Sometimes, you have to consider the source of the intelligence. Before
you run all over Wiki-leaks pretending to be running your own one man
CIA division, realize that you are effectively just seeing random
things. Some of it may be counterfeit. Quite a bit of it is probably
misleading. Some of it may have been leaked intentionally as a
controlled deception by omission or as a political attack to ruin
critics and enemies. less
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BeerMan5000

@sreams: Military and espionage agencies all lie all the time about
all kinds of things.

The guys in the air made a terrible mistake. It’s one that lot’s of
people could have made under the same circumstances. The guys in the
air should definitely be grounded permanently, but these kinds of
deaths are almost completely unavoidable in a protracted military
engagement. less
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digitalcraft This is a very good point, but I think wikileaks doesn’t
try to interpret a specific intention when they release things, only
that this information is there.
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sreams Trouble is… in the case of this video, the Army had already
released an explanation that turned out to be a blatant lie. Tell the
truth, and leaks like this don’t have to be subject to a variety of
interpretations.
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BartFargo That is true, but AFAIK the majority of documents they have
released have proven to be true, and have had real effects as far as
getting people fired or prosecuted.
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GoBama2012 Hello, everyone knew it was bad intel.
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Rulerocks01 Julian Assange is only 39 years old???…looks likes he’s
aged from the controversy I guess.
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digitalcraft Its just because he has white hair. People pick up on all
sorts of visual cues to determine apparent age and that’s a big one,
but I have a friend who is only 26 and he has gray streaks in his hair
already so there’s always exceptions, and I’m guessing this guy is
one.
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JohnZee

Got to love the American news media. Any time there’s important
information, you can pretty much bet that it will be years before
they’ll let any of us know about it. I’ve known about Wikileaks for at
least eleven months now, and I find it hilarious that CNN and other
American news outlets are just now running stories on them.

Because you know the dumber and less informed you are, the easier it
is to sell you stuff… less
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Seraphim0 Uh… this isn’t the first story regarding wikileaks. Aside
from that, if it took someone a news story to find out about
wikileaks, they probably aren’t the type of person who really cares
one way or the other.
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JustJason There are some things that should be protected for national
security, but wasting millions on cover ups so people don’t think mean
things about us, BS. People will find a way to hate Utopia, so the US
will always be a target and thought of with ill will by many nations
and people.
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BartFargo The US is “Utopia”? I hardly think we’ve become John
Winthrop’s “city upon a hill”. Leaks keep governments and corporations
honest.
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Guest this modern-day ellsberg is the bravest man there is.

people everywhere should watch out for him,

as assassins lurk at every corner.
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JustJason I have witnessed first hand how integrity and accountability
are dismissable if it makes the government look bad. How a video of an
Apache mowing down civilians can help terrorist, I’m not sure of. Will
the US gov look bad for doing it yes. If’s simple, people.
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URwrngIMrite Stupid is as stupid does.
BartFargo–intelligence is not a prerequisite for being right.
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BartFargo Popularity does not indicate intelligence.
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catallergy @URwrngIMrite What can I say, there are a lot of
“stupid” (read: stupid) people on the internet.
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FriskyDingo Watch the video again GoBama. It may seem a stretch that
video cameras were mistaken for RPGs, but you can clearly see two men
in the video carrying assault-rifle style weapons. Clear as day. They
were legitimate targets, and within the rules of engagement.
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TheLegendary The US Govt is already laughed at by the world and US
citizens….You ever watch the Daily Show, or Colbert Report.
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URwrngIMrite catallergy–I guess a lot of people agree with my
“stupid” (read: accurate) comments because I have a lot more Likes
than you.
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BartFargo In general yes, except when whistleblower laws apply.
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catallergy @URwrngIMrite If you post stupid comments on the internet,
expect no one to take you seriously.
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URwrngIMrite If you disseminate classified material, expect to be
prosecuted.
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GoBama2012 no one had a gun in that video. No one was bad. Maybe the
two kids that where injured? Or what about the passerby in the van who
tried to help them? I guess they were all bad.
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BartFargo If you walk alone in a bad part of town at 2 am, expect to
be raped.
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URwrngIMrite If you stand next to bad guys with guns in a war zone,
expect to be shot at.
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FriskyDingo

I honestly do not understand the outrage. The reporter and his crew
knew they were in an active combat zone. They had an obligation to
understand that certain behaviors would make them legitimate targets.
They chose to behave in a manner that got them fired upon.

They should have been aware that if you are standing on the streets of
Baghdad next to a man holding an AK-47 you are a legitimate target.
Regardless of the confusion that caused a camera to be mistaken as a
weapon, the video clearly shows two men carrying assault-rifle style
weapons. The reporter and his crew chose to associate with those men.

The crew of the helicopter were acting on orders and within their
rules of engagement. The helo crew showed a high level of restraint
and waited for positive confirmation that they were acting within the
rules before squeezing the trigger. less
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TheLegendary That’s the problem, show me the rules of engagement that
justify what you saw. If you look at the date of the video, we were
only to fire if fired upon, which clearly is not the case.
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FriskyDingo How were the rules ignored, sreams? The audio portion of
the footage clearly shows that they were given permission to fire.
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URwrngIMrite Yeah? Prove they were anything different, BartFargo.
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sreams @FriskyDingo: Knowing the rules of engagement is kind of
useless when the military is ignoring those rules.
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FriskyDingo

Reporters in war zones responsible to know the rules of engagement
that the local forces are operating under. Thus, reporters accompanied
by small arms toting bodyguards are responsible for knowing that doing
so makes them look like militants, and makes them legitimate targets.
Should the helo crew have landed and asked them for their driver’s
licenses? If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it is
probably a duck. The reporter and his crew should have known that.

Firing on the van seems barbaric, but who comes to rescue militants?
Other militants. The helo crew were operating under orders and within
the rules of engagement. less
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BartFargo You apparently don’t know very much then.
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Guest of course you don’t as you have no conscience.
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URwrngIMrite Who says they’re reporters? AFAIK, Reuters hired a couple
of Iraqis who were friends of insurgents and handed them cameras to
video their attacks.
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BartFargo Reporters in war zones are often accompanied by small-arms
toting bodyguards. Your logic is similar to blaming a rape victim for
her ordeal- “she should’ve known that walking alone in that part of
town at 2 am she would become a target”. Blaming the innocent victim,
that’s the American way!
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sreams Walking around in the open and taking pictures gets you fired
upon? What planet are you from? Does driving up in a minivan to pull a
man riddled with bullets off the street also get you fired upon? I
guess so.
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waistedmenke dude, that guy is CREEPY looking.
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Guest to think that guy has been risking his life for mostly pathetic
human beings like you.
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Guest to think that guy has been risking his life for mostly pathetic
human beings like you.
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jude11 The US should be accountable for their actions as they preach
the same to all other nations. Washington is not exempt from
responsibility to its citizens nor the World.
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jlssamsara2 Is there any way we can get him to run for PRESIDENT OF
THE USA?
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Guest yup, ron paul is the best we deserve.
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OHHWELL how has that been proven, jisssam?
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Guest we don’t deserve a man like assange.
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URwrngIMrite I think Ron Paul already has the nutjob, conspiracy
theorist camp in his corner.
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JoOrwell84 The US policy for information is, Ignorance is Strength.
Those who violate that law shall be vaporized for thoughtcrime. I
agree with WikiLeaks, exposing the truth is a valuable tool they have.
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JoOrwell84 How can you say that?
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URwrngIMrite Yes, he is a good author. I think you missed the overall
point of 1984, though.
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JoOrwell84 I can agree with you there. Brave New World is a swell
title too. Thankfully Americans have not messed with eugenics yet, or
breeding a race of Alphas.
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BartFargo USA 2010 is a combination of Orwell’s 1984 and Huxley’s
Brave New World
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JoOrwell84 It’s funny your continously seeing my George Orwell
references. He’s a great author. Blair knows exactly what he’s talking
about, regardless if he was wrong about his bold prediction of 1984.
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URwrngIMrite All hail AMSOC!
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vbscript2 The reason he didn’t come to the U.S. is probably because
he’s admittedly guilty of conspiracy to release national security
information and would probably be arrested by the FBI when he landed.
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Guest who’da thunk it? you’re genius.
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BartFargo No, he has not been charged with anything by the US
government as of yet, they simply want him for “questioning”.
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superguest25

You people do realize that terrorist can and have used this site to
help plan attacks on our troops. But I guess you morons dont care
about that or any other consequences as long as you can all stay
disconnected from the situation and hide behind your computers
spouting off endless conspiracy theories because your own lives are
too boring for anyone in the world to care about. less
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tycoonmike

superguest: Therein lies the problem: I fully support what WikiLeaks
is doing. The people of this country have been kept in checkmate for
far to long by a government that, far from serving the best interests
of the people that elected them, is serving its own purposes. Although
I tend not to believe conspiracy theories, I do at least try to
question them. Like it or not, this government and nation have
purposefully misled its people. The firebombings of Hamburg, Dresden,
and Tokyo and the real reason behind the destruction of Nagasaki, for
instance. All four done to inflict maximum civilian casualties. I
would be more willing to trust in the crusade against terrorism if the
people waging it in our name wouldn’t continually, past and present,
besmirch it. I thank WikiLeaks for getting this information to the
common man, simply because then you know all sides of the conflict,
and not just the manure the government force-feeds us. less
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superguest25 Itzamna: They do gather intel very very well. And what
sources do you think they use? You can claim freedom of info all you
want, and thats all well and good. However, if you refer to my
original post; people dont care as long as they are disconnected from
the situation.
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Itzamna

Anyone with half a brain will realize that the terrorists have far
more intelligence from their own observation than anything that could
ever be posted on the site. These guys aren’t idiots, and in fact are
possibly the most experienced and adaptable fighters on the planet.
Remember there’s about 4000 years of warfare handed down.

These guys gather their own intelligence well enough they don’t need a
website to find it. When we change our tactics, two days later they do
too. They didn’t need a website to figure it out either. less
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OHHWELL

supertool, no one is retarded for desiring more information. You are
voluntarily retarded for not wanting more information. Simply
controlling information so that those you do not trust won’t receive
it is what Bush and his cronies would have wanted. The intelligent
people are trying hard to put a large gap between conservatives with
this mindset and our government. The world doesn’t need non-thinkers
like you and we ask that you keep your short-sided opinions to
yourself. less
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liberalvegan yes terrorist will change their strategy to attack
military helicopters now that they know some of them shoot back. More
public access to abuses of power and inproper conduct can only help us
get better and leave less room for the opposition to have fuel for
growing their ranks.
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superguest25

tycoonmike: Wading through all the idiots here, your post is the only
one with any thought behind it. And I do realize the news agencies
release info that can be usefull to our enemies, however that doesnt
make it right and it is nowhere near the level of info that can be
found on wikileaks.
I realize it is near impossible to control all the information
floating around out there. However it would be a little easier to
protect our troops if a bunch of retards did not support these sort of
activities. less
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Guest you gotta be one of those “private spies” who work for neo-nazi
overlords
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catallergy I like how you never actually answered my question. Proves
my point entirely.
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jude11 What branch of the Pentagon do you work for? I’ll bet it’s the
Spin Doctor section.
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tycoonmike

Sort of like how those same terrorist organizations can and do use
news agencies like BBC, Reuters, and CNN to plan their attacks, what
with the round-the-clock coverage of the war effort. Hell, I’d be
willing to bet that they’d take CNN over WikiLeaks, simply because
they have the backing and relative support of the same government and
people they’re fighting. less
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OHHWELL spy, not soy
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YouDaMan Do I realize? What proof do you have? Sounds like YOU’RE the
one with conspiracy theories.
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OHHWELL

just like when the military found out our enemies were watching the
same videos we have from our soy drones flying around….. They’re
terrorists! They’ll cut off a reporter’s head if they think it will
stir things up. You do realize you are a moron for what you posted,
right? conspiracy theories have what to do with anything here?
superguest, more like supertool. wikileaks is a part of life you
conservatives will have to get used to more and more in the future.
You can’t control information, unless you live in china. less
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superguest25 you are one of the very people I am talking about. You
very obviously know nothing other than what you have read on the web.
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catallergy What attacks were conducted as a result of information
gathered off of wikileaks?
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Administrati So this guys shows some mistakes our military committed
but where is the video evidence on the Iran human rights violations?
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kraznodar Iran is better at killing dissidents than we are.
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Guest where’s the “real” evidence that no one was guilty of anything?
show us the tape if you’re innocent!
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sreams

I love it when people think the killings of civilians and reporters
are “mistakes”. Perhaps no allowance for a week for those involved in
this would be in order?

As for your question… it is perfectly safe to go directly to any major
media with video evidence of human rights violations in Iran. It is
not so safe to release information criticizing the government of a
western superpower. less
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cnnsukz OMG, is tha guy real or is this one of those lord of the ring
characters.
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OHHWELL Duhh, it’s julian the white. He has the finest weed in the
land…
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melk1 Based on the examples given, Assange is courageously exposing
the dastardly deeds of the USA and Australia. What’s next? The
Vatican, Monaco and Andorra? Why not try Russia, China and Iran,
assuming that relevance is a pressing factor?
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sreams

Corporate media tends to report favorably about western allies, and
tends to demonize its enemies. Someone intending to leak negative
information about Iran can go directly to corporate western media
without fearing for his life. When one intends to expose corruption
within a western government, especially that of the United States, it
is decidedly safer to go to Wikileaks. less
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BartFargo Wikileaks relies on its sources to submit information. One
can only hope that sources from the countries you mention will also
submit to Wikileaks.
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JadeSonKing I applaud any entity/whistleblower that’s keeping our
Government honest. It’s too much falsehood in our government. More
power to Wikileaks!
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OHHWELL not a government issue, but a military one here. I doubt many
in washington have a clue about the daily affairs of the military.
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KaiserFaust I’d have far more respect for the site if it wasn’t
already established that they had purposely edited the clips of that
incident with the AH-64s to make it more sensationalist and
inflammatory against the military.

Here’s a hint for you Mr. Julian: It isn’t “truth” when you doctor the
evidence.
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Kerriboo @BartFargo,
Adding commentary, subtitles, and labels is called doctoring. I guess
it’s ok to lie if it fits your agenda, but not if it fits another?
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catallergy

In the version I watched (the whole video), you could hear the crew
asking for permission to engage multiple times in the beginning, and
at the end when the ground troops come in, they identified the bodies,
as well as the children in the back of the minivan. You can also see
one soldier carry one of the children away (most likely to seek
medical attention) while listening to one of the crewman say “They
shouldn’t have brought children to a fire fight”. I don’t know what
video you watched, but you should try watching the whole thing. less
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KaiserFaust

“When corporate media took this story on (CNN included), they edited
the video to leave out the part where the minivan rescuing the last
survivor was gunend down. I’d say that is far worse than what you are
complaining about.”

…and that’s part of the dishonesty of the reporting on this video. The
van was attacked because it had NO identifying markings on it. It is
the policy of not only the US military in Iraq, but the Iraqi Security
Force itself that any vehicle that is going to be used as a medical
assistance vehicle HAS to be marked with a visible red cross on the
roof, so that helicopters and troops stationed on rooftops can tell
the vehicle is being used for medical purposes. If the vehicle doesn’t
have these markings, it is assumed to be a terrorist/insurgent
vehicle, because they are known for going in to zones of recent
conflict in civilian vehicles to clear out weapons. They do this for
the explicit purpose of using our media to fabricate these ideas of
“atrocities” being committed. I’m not saying this video doesn’t show
reporters being accidentally killed, but the media has been quick to
jump on “staged” stories in the past. The AP especially has been
caught quite a few times doctoring photos and injecting inaccurate
statements in to their reporting.

As I said in my original statement, if WikiLeaks wants to be seen as a
truly independent “truth” agency, they need to lose the activism and
editing, and just release raw videos that people can then research on
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KaiserFaust

“Where did you hear that the video was edited? You can download the
entire clip on their website.”

The entire video clip from the Helicopter’s gun-cam was nearly forty
minutes in length. The original “short” video they posted was in the
20 minute range. They purposely sliced off the beginning and the end,
cutting out the sections where the gunship crew asks for orders
multiple times, and the end where ground forces begin moving in and
start identifying weapons. They also added in biased commentary and
opinion, pointing to “cameras” and “cell phones” (as if someone in a
helicopter can see objects that small), yet ignoring the obvious RPG
that one of the men is holding. Not to mention they posted the video
under the giant heading “collateral murder.”

If your goal is the truth, then you post the video and allow people to
make up their own minds what happened. You don’t inject your own
opinion in the argument, hoping to influence people to your side of
the argument.

“They did not doctor the video, they merely added commentary,
subtitles, and labels. I agree it would’ve been more effective if they
hadn’t packaged it with their opinion of the incident, but that can
easily be ignored. You’ve been watching too much Fox.”

Slicing off the beginning and the end of the video in their “short”
version is doctoring. Adding in edits to “identify” things like “cell
phones” and “cameras” while blatantly ignoring things like weapons is
doctoring. As I said, Julian claims his site is all about getting out
the truth. The truth is the video, raw, uncut, and unedited. You don’t
inject your own opinion and commentary in it, because then all it
becomes is an opinion piece.

…and I don’t watch Fox news. I read a plethora of online news sites
from the whole spectrum. Its the only way to cut through the spin.
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BartFargo They presented factual video evidence, and their
(politically relevant) opinion on it. No different than what any other
politically active group would do. I suppose you consider any
controversial news story to be “manufactured for a political purpose”.
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URwrngIMrite And that’s what I mean, BartFargo, by “manufacturing an
alleged military atrocity for their own political purpose”.
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OHHWELL this wouldn’t have made such a big deal if it was proven to be
an edited version.
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sreams When corporate media took this story on (CNN included), they
edited the video to leave out the part where the minivan rescuing the
last survivor was gunend down. I’d say that is far worse than what you
are complaining about.
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BartFargo They did not doctor the video, they merely added commentary,
subtitles, and labels. I agree it would’ve been more effective if they
hadn’t packaged it with their opinion of the incident, but that can
easily be ignored. You’ve been watching too much Fox.
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catallergy Where did you hear that the video was edited? You can
download the entire clip on their website.
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cephalo

When you involve yourself with military matters where the information
you hold will harm a great power and get people killed, law falls by
the wayside. If you make yourself an enemy of the U.S. military be
ready to go into hiding. Law is a very thin vaneer over the reality of
interests. Put too much strain on it, and you will find that it may
not be reliable. less
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kraznodar Evidence that military personnel murdered civilians is not
classified according to DOD regulations and federal law so Pfc Manning
broke no laws. Had there been fire coming from the targets or
verification of hostile forces then the civilians would be legitimate
collateral damage.
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BartFargo Unfortunately, yes, he does have to be prosecuted. What I’m
upset about is the manner in which he was exposed.
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URwrngIMrite “When the rule of law breaks down, so does society.” By
that statement, BartFargo, you’re supporting the prosecution of Pfc
Manning for disseminating classified material.
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BartFargo When the rule of law breaks down, so does society. You’re
arguing for the supremacy of the US military above federal law,
meaning there has effectively been a military coup in this country.
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arrrgh There must be a balance between truth and lies. Sometimes it is
better not to know the truth.
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BartFargo Correction: Sometimes it is easier not to know the truth.
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kenny8076 in the video, which sucked and had nothing the title entaled
they had guns, you could clearly see it. Whats the big deal, you could
see the guy around the corner with the rpg. fire at will. Pretty sick
how those heli’s can be so far away and out of site but just slump
anything in its way!!
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kenny8076

kraznodar or whatever that jihad name is this isn’t a thesis. i dont
have to spell check anything. and everyone else who cares? quite being
such babies, its casualties of war. Ya believe it or not they are
walking around a war zone with ak’s. and they didnt shoot back because
they didnt know who was shooting at them you idiot less
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kraznodar Administrati – Helicopters don’t arrest people and the
cameras were not hidden.
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kraznodar Kenny, this forum has spell check built in. How did you
manage to misspell entailed? I’m not even gonna start on your
punctuation. See, it is that kind of willful ignorance in the face of
facts that makes your post so idiotic.
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OHHWELL

Ya I saw the video and didn’t see any rpg. I saw effects of the
soldier’s firing on the people on the ground. A lot of dust and then a
few people laying on the ground. I don’t think anyone fired back. I’m
sure the pilots saw a dangerous situation that they needed to
neutralize but this should be brought to light and things should be
fixed to try and prevent this from occurring again. less
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Administrati exactly their fault for being shot. if a police tried to
arrest me and i started to pull something out of my pocket that looked
like a gun, i’m just asking to get shot
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sreams
Too bad people like you were apparently doing the shooting as well. It
was confirmed that one or two of the men on the ground has guns (no,
there were no RPGs). It is absolutely normal practice for journalists
to have lightly armed escort in Iraq and Afghanistan, as abductions
are common. The “RPG” … more
Too bad people like you were apparently doing the shooting as well. It
was confirmed that one or two of the men on the ground has guns (no,
there were no RPGs). It is absolutely normal practice for journalists
to have lightly armed escort in Iraq and Afghanistan, as abductions
are common. The “RPG” you saw, as the expert you are, was a camera
with a telephoto lens. This was confirmed by the soldiers who later
arrived at the site. Perhaps you should actually watch the entire
video… the art where the minivan containing two men and two children
is gunned down while trying to save the one survivor of the initial
attack who is crawling on the ground. less
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BartFargo So it’s their fault they were shot? Blame the victim, that’s
the American way.
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Administrati they shouldn’t have been walking around with militants
with aks. if they are dumb enough to peek around the corner with their
camera – something exactly a militant would do except with a rpg, then
they are just playing with death
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BartFargo Actually, if you knew anything about the attack, they were
carrying camera equipment, and one of the dead was a well-known
Reuters photographer.
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URwrngIMrite There’s a difference between exposing a military coverup
(as in the case of Pat Tillman’s death) and manufacturing an alleged
military atrocity for your own political purpose. Unfortunately,
Assange falls into the latter category.
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BartFargo The Iraq video was a military coverup…they said they were
going to release it to the public, then backtracked on their promise.
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rAdam82 Can you prove this statement or is this just personal
speculation?
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Administrati anti-american
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rAdam82 What is?
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DISTED Why does our government hide the truth from us.Is it because
thay have/are commiting criminal acts?Why when thay get caught do thay
not get prosecuted(andI don’t mean the fall guy)?Just-us rules in this
land ,to-bad we are not one of us.
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glynnmack Maybe you said it right there. It is an international
website, and some people who are educated enough to speak two
languages can make grammatical errors here and there.

It’s a mat…with conclusions…and you can jump to them!
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SickOfDunces Excuse me, “DISTED,” but why do you not try to use proper
English grammar when posting to an international website? Re: your
little rant about criminal acts – the combat over there is not a
“criminal act.” Become more educated before you spew out foolish
comments.
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Guest people everywhere must watch out for this man,

as the assassins are swarming for his life.
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FZM

Once again, somebody cuts the lights on, and once again, the U.S.
government is caught scurrying around on the floor with the
cockroaches. My fellow citizens, we really should be paying closer
attention to things like this. All this awesome military hardware? The
Department of Homeland Insecurity is passing it out like candy to
municipalities to use on US as well. Think what you saw in Iran a year
or two ago was a shame? Wait until one too many BART cops mistakes his
sidearm for a tazer, and The Citizens have finally had enough. They’ve
gradually been passing laws to hold their selves nearly blameless for
trampling roughshod over our rights on a daily basis. I suspect that’s
why the Feds handled Waco in the manner they did. They could have
arrested Koresh any day in town, but they wanted to assault the
compound, and play with their shiny toys. The very same toys they
forbid us from having.

Wake up. less
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JimStraton if there should be no secrets then lets post everyones
social security info on this guys site… how could that hurt because
that way we are being more transparent… if we are going to risk the
lives of our special ops then we should risk our own
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BartFargo None were killed as a direct result of this noble venture.
It’s impossible to see how a video filmed 3 years ago has anything to
do with security, especially in Iraq, a war zone that has cooled
considerably for US troops.
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sreams Huge difference. Private information belongs to the individual.
Information about what governments do belongs to the people. My money
paid for those journalists to be murdered. It is my right to know
about it so that I can decide whether or not to stop it.
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shnawky Yep. ‘cuz “corruption” and “evil” aren’t subjective terms are
they. How ’bout you answer to the parents of Soldiers killed because
as a direct result of this noble venture…
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pblock76 Really? You think things like the murder of a group of
civilians should be covered up? A lot of this classified crap the
military circulates should have never been designated as classified in
the first place.
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BartFargo What purpose would posting everyone’s SS number serve? The
leaks on Wikileaks serve a purpose, to expose corruption and evil
within governments and corporations.
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JimStraton funny how this guy loves to bring America down but will not
post things that the terrorists do
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sreams If terrorism is the targetting and killing of civilians, then
Wikileaks is posting -exactly- what the terrorists do.
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BartFargo NATO and the US government already have that covered
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Guest assange is on the very short list of my heroes.

go all the way, julian! people will cover your back.
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thnkbfruspk
BartFargo, it is obvious that you have quite an opinion, on everything
it would seem. My education in philosophy is quite sufficient to tango
in this forum, I thank you. Videos are not facts, they are a medium by
which data can be captured, stored and (gasp!) manipulated. Yes folks,
believe it or… more
BartFargo, it is obvious that you have quite an opinion, on everything
it would seem. My education in philosophy is quite sufficient to tango
in this forum, I thank you.

Videos are not facts, they are a medium by which data can be captured,
stored and (gasp!) manipulated. Yes folks, believe it or not, this
video may have been edited. You have an agenda Bart, not a poor one
mind you, and that is to question your government. Good for you, as
any democracy needs to evolve. However, I am simply cautioning that
this site absolves itself of moral culpability by placing documents
and videos out for public consumption without a context.

This video shows the actions of a military pilot in a combat
situation. Split second decision-making under duress does not appear
to be your strong point. Be that as it may, opening up a public debate
on a sequence of events that involved a subjective interpretation of
data (was it an RPG or not?) that resulted in the loss of lives is a
dangerous path to traverse. I wonder that this pilot does not relive
this moment in his/her mind on a daily basis while being judged by the
likes of you with the benefit of hindsight and safety. Tread carefully
is all that I am saying. less
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OHHWELL

I definitely agree with Bart. This is a major issue otherwise it
would’ve been dismissed as quickly as you rationalized the video
actions. It’s not as much of an issue about whether the soldiers are
at fault, but that the military tried to cover up the fact that a
reporter was killed in what looked like a peaceful gathering. The RPG
may or may not have existed but the killing of wounded men, women, and
children appears to have occurred and it looks as though the army
knows it wasn’t edited to show any more than what actually took place.
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BartFargo

You’re arguing that physical video evidence is “subjective” truth,
which is just bunk. It’s your interpretation of it which is
subjective. Leaks are the raw truth, people are allowed to form
opinions based on them as they may. That is quite different from
traditional reporting, where information is always packaged with a
fully digested opinion. I’m done arguing with you because it’s quite
clear you have a Sisyphean agenda of your own. less
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mjguillo That’s why I don’t understand why the Russians invested so
much time and effort into organizing their spy ring. If they want to
know all of our classified secrets all they have to do is to go to
WikiLeaks.
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BartFargo The point of their spying is to know secret information
before anyone else does…so I can’t see how Wikileaks would help them
in the department.
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Willllll Congratulations CNN, you make the folks at Fox News look like
modern day Walter Cronkites
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BartFargo No, they’re both modern day Edward Bernays
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madcat033 LIGHTS ON, RATS OUT! This man is a hero.
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acadia2431 So comforting to know we’re listing to the advice of a
person from a “hacker collective”.
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FractalWorld allan:

I like your comment. Seems well thought out and delivered.
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Guest all denpends on FOR WHAT one hacks, doesn’t it?
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allanhowls
Fractal: His complaint is that he doesn’t actually know what the word
“hacker” means. He only knows what the press has told him, and that’s
that a “hacker” is some shadowy, nerdly villain who “steals your
identity.” The techno-illiterate make themselves readily known
online.The truth, of course, … more
Fractal: His complaint is that he doesn’t actually know what the word
“hacker” means. He only knows what the press has told him, and that’s
that a “hacker” is some shadowy, nerdly villain who “steals your
identity.” The techno-illiterate make themselves readily known online.

The truth, of course, is far more complex, and thus, harder to
understand. Ignorance is fixable; we owe it to the poor guy to
enlighten him as to the difference between a hacker and a criminal.
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rAdam82 Over the next Century, our security will depend more and more
on the skill of our hackers, and not our military might. Hackers will
be the new Generals.
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FractalWorld Hackers are people who find flaws other people overlook.
What is your complaint again?
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BartFargo More comforting than listening to “journalists” who consult
for banks, lobbyists, and big industry on the side
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mrdinkers Now that the majority of “news” reports is about celebrities
and their shenanigans, it’s nice to know there are still real
journalists out there like Woodward & Bernstein (who broke Watergate
and helped bring Nixon down).
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BartFargo Not to mention Ellsberg, who leaked the Pentagon Papers and
was just as instrumental in bringing Nixon (and Vietnam) down
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rossitta
kujayhawk wrote: “If people even realized the kind of things that
happen within our government they would be appalled.”And I reply: As
somebody raised in a communist country where you can not even sneeze
and you are in jail, and as somebody who has traveled and seen other
places I can tell you that … more
kujayhawk wrote: “If people even realized the kind of things that
happen within our government they would be appalled.”

And I reply: As somebody raised in a communist country where you can
not even sneeze and you are in jail, and as somebody who has traveled
and seen other places I can tell you that you live in HEAVEN and you
do not know it!!!! Pray that it lasts… enjoy the ride because the
destination is near!!!! less
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Guest reactionaries like you are dime a dozen, no matter where you go.
you provide cover for the neo-nazi overlords you claim to hate.
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FractalWorld Fine. This country is better than where you grew up,
blinding you to its problems.

Sorry, but those of us who grew up here still want the flaws we know
about to be fixed. Saying it is worse somewhere else does not make it
better here.
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DRando

We don’t live in Heaven Rossitta….it may be better than other
countries but it is quiet a bit from Heaven. People who will question
their government and try to make reform are trying to move us closer
to heaven on earth. Should we have just stopped in 1774 and been happy
we had new colonies that we stole from native americans? Was it wrong
for us to want a more representative government and fight a
revolution? How about slavery and Jim crow laws? Should we have said
“no lets not bother with that, our country is already one of the best
why rock the boat?”. We aren’t supposed to stand pat, we are supposed
to continue fighting for equality that this country promised….and has
yet to deliver. less
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Peanut His resume and records of existence will get ruined / altered,
just watch.
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Guest if people don’t cover his back, yes it will in a flash.
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BartFargo Let’s hope not…as long as he stays out the USA and watches
his back, he should be fine
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stopgop

A true freedom helper. sites like Wikileaks are very very important in
preserving the freedoms of the world. Governments across the globe are
willing to sell out YOUR freedoms. If what you do cant stand the light
of the sun it probably shouldnt be done in the first place. You know
how they say if you dont do anything illegal you have nothing to worry
about the searches.

If the government dont do anything bad the government have nothing to
worry about either, goes both ways folks less
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vbscript2

If we followed your principle here, we either would’ve been nuked by
Germany or wouldn’t have developed nuclear energy. There is a lot of
information that is damaging to national security when released. By
definition, classified information must meet this standard to even be
classified in the first place. If that soldier didn’t want to protect
classified information, then he never should have signed the non-
disclousure agreement. When you sign that form and then release
classified information, you are breaking the law and will be thrown in
jail (not to mention that you’re probably putting American lives at
risk.) End of story. No military operation would ever work if they
weren’t allowed to keep secrets from the public. Can you imagine how D-
Day would have gone if its plans hadn’t been classified? How about our
nuclear research programs? If those weren’t classified, every country
on earth (not to mention terrorist groups) would already have nuclear
weapons. Asserting that the government should have no secrets is just
ridiculous. less
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Guest thank you.
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thetakara

If our government/military/whoever is doing immoral or illegal things,
there NEEDS to be whisleblowers and sites like this. It’s the only way
the truth would come out. The video that was leaked had NOTHING to do
with national security and people know it. It was people getting
confused in a tough situation yeah. There’s hard calls to make in the
field, but to say that it’s a matter of national security when a video
pops up of a firefight? No. less
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cancermanny The more people shining light onto the darkness, the
better.
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tonymtn Wow no wonder he stays in the shadows. Someone get this guy a
cheeseburger!
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DurpaDurr It’s funny when you can see that a person hasn’t enjoyed red
meat in years.
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Jeepers01 So is he just prematurely gray or is he albino…because his
appearance is almost as interesting as what he’s doing…oh yeah, and
the running from the cult thing. He is one fascinating character.
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Jeepers01 Well so far, I haven’t had to run from any cults, so no…my
life is not as interesting as that guy’s…unless you count the
Jehovah’s Witnesses I occasionally hide from.
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BartFargo Something tells me your life isn’t nearly as interesting.
You probably work in data entry or something similar.
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KrashUndBurn

The premise of the organization is laudable, but so far the
implementation has been flawed – particularly with their “Iraqi
civilians” video release. Though civilians were undoubtedly killed,
combatants were also killed in that airstrike. I could see one man
with an RPG (he’s wearing a horizontal striped shirt and was later
caught standing in the group that was targeted for firing) and another
with a rifle of some sort – and I’m not talking about cameras.

If you have ever seen any of the dozens if not hundreds of insurgent
videos out there, you will know that their attacks on US troops are
commonly filmed for propaganda and recruitment purposes. What these
Reuters guys were doing was incredibly stupid, and to me it looked
every bit as if they were there to document an impending insurgent
attack that was being set up for their benefit.

US troops had been under small arms fire for much of the day in that
area – which is why there was a US convoy nearby (the photographer’s
last frame on his camera was a shot of a Humvee), and is why there was
a gunship patrolling overhead looking for combatants.

The man with the RPG and the Reuters cameraman disappeared briefly
behind the building, and the next thing the gun crew saw was the
cameraman peeking out around the building at the US convoy further
down the road. They had seen the man with the RPG walking toward that
area just prior, and reasonably but mistakenly assumed it was the
combatant who was now peeking at the convoy.

As soon as they could get around the building the gunship opened fire,
under the impression that the convoy was going to be fired upon.

I have been opposed to this war from the get-go, and I am certainly
not an apologist for US troops, but in this instance I have to side
with the US military, This was a war zone, and they acted
appropriately.

WikiLeaks’ credibility, in my eyes, has suffered substantially because
of their insistence that this was an unprovoked attack on civilians
when it clearly was not. less
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Guest liars and shills like you are dime a dozen, all on our tax
dollars.
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DRando

Yes two of the men in that group had weapons, an ak 47 and an rpg it
looks like. However, they are just standing around talking and milling
about. If they were preparing for some sort of attack wouldn’t they
try to hide? Especially the ones with weapons? And especially when
there is a US helicopter hovering above? Wouldn’t they try to shoot
the rpg at the helicopter or at least hide to set up an ambush if that
was their goal?

Wikileaks provides the video, then you can watch and decide for
yourself. Surely their credibility is greater than the US army’s which
would hide that video from public viewing and claim the event never
happened. less
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BartFargo

You can debate whether or not someone was carrying an RPG all day…even
experts disagree. What is certain is that heavy camera equipment was
being carried that *looked* like an RPG, so that is one strike against
your theory. Whatever the case, the group was certainly posing no
direct threat to the helicopter, nor was the van that came to rescue
the wounded. The pilot was hoping for the wounded to pick up a weapon
so that he would be allowed to shoot his victims to completely dead.
Children were also seriously wounded when the pilots fired blindly
into a van. Another clip, which Wikileaks decided not to release, also
showed rockets being fired into a building that was erroneously and
hastily thought to be unoccupied, killing several civilian residents.
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DurpaDurr Sorry, but until you can provide photo evidence of the RPG
(You can’t, not even the military report does, the photo is redacted.)
I’m calling BS on your arguement.
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tarheel7824 And you werent actually held beyond your commitment. if
you would have read the papers you signed it has in there a clause for
an additional 4 years if needed. they didnt make you sign that
contract.
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DRando Yes tar heel, you should tell other people what happened in
their lives because you know better. Are you capable of having a
conversation with someone? Actually listening to and considering what
they say? Or do you just wait for their lips to stop moving so yours
can start?
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ElmerDinkley I was already at 8 years served jacka$$…it was stop loss.
i know how it works dip$hit
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tarheel7824 cant just
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tarheel7824 Wait a minute here man. I served in the military as well
and the fact that you say you volunteered to ship out is not true. i
served for six years and did many tours. Not once was i given a choice
to deploy nor anyone i have ever met. you can just write order for
deployment
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ElmerDinkley My new unit was shipping when I arrived back to the
states from from duty station in Korea…I could have stayed 6 months in
stateside stablization. I volunteered to waive and shipped with my new
unit. PS you are an f-ing moron
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glddraco

One thing that people fail to realize is that this is classified
information and actually could put our troops in danger not to mention
the people that work for the CIA, FBI. I know some people think that
truth is more important than keeping things classified that the people
have the right to know. Yet sometimes they are classified for good
reason and doing what they are doing could get our troops or agents
killed. I could see them as doing serious damage if this information
that they uncover end up in the wrong hands AKA Al-Quada. less
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allanhowls
That’s always the excuse of the wrongdoer: if the “other” guys found
out what we’ve been doing wrong, it would just make things
worse.Here’s an idea: play by the rules. As those folks with a dog-
like devotion to authority say, “If you’re not doing anything wrong,
you have nothing to hide.” Natio… more
That’s always the excuse of the wrongdoer: if the “other” guys found
out what we’ve been doing wrong, it would just make things worse.

Here’s an idea: play by the rules. As those folks with a dog-like
devotion to authority say, “If you’re not doing anything wrong, you
have nothing to hide.” National security? They don’t publicize troop
movements and such. They blow the whistle on misdeeds. Have you even
seen his site? less
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DRando Some classified documents would put citizens or personnel in
danger…not this video though. Saying that things are classified for
national security is a great way to hide things from people. It
wouldn’t be the first time.
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RmpleShatNut They leak more stuff than CNN?
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BartFargo Uhhh, yeah?
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tarheel7824 Oh my goodness. Once again list the things you have done
to try and change it then complain.
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DRando What are you talking about tarheel? Someone shouldn’t discuss
what their organization is or what they are trying to do because you
don’t agree?
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DRando What are you talking about tarheel? Someone shouldn’t discuss
what their organization is or what they are trying to do because you
don’t agree?
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ElmerDinkley Tarheel…what have you done?…I think I showed my
committment to my country and now I am speaking up…you are on a blog
doing the same thing everyone else is here doing…get off you high
horse.
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thnkbfruspk

No confusion here BartFargo. I’m simply stating that there is no such
thing as objective truth. There is a difference between fact and
truth. Gravity is a force of nature. This is a fact. Gravitational
force is a force that may have many “truths” dependant upon your
location in the universe. This pilot’s actions cannot be properly
dissected by viewing this video as we cannot recreate a moment in time
(his/her truth). If the pilot perceived a threat and reacted
accordingly, how are we to judge? Again, I fail to see the point. less
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DRando Just because the pilot says they perceived a threat doesn’t
make that fact or truth either…..
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BartFargo Videos are facts- they are raw documentation of what
happened. Your interpretation of the pilot’s motives and your ethical
assessment of the situation are subjective opinions. Take an
epistemology course.
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heraldofwhoa I think we could make a little room at Gitmo if he wants
to visit…
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DRando He should go to jail for telling us the truth. The US is built
and based on the promise of equality and justice for everyone…..it
hurts too much to know that it is all a lie.
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repo105 truth to much for yah herald?
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kujayhawk What should he go to jail for? Exposing the awful truth?
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kujayhawk

If people even realized the kind of things that happen within our
government they would be appalled. Anyone on here telling others to
“stop complaining or leave the country” has been brainwashed by all
the propaganda and lies they have been fed since birth. Wake up
people, this government is not the perfect democracy that you think it
is. less
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albatross350 Our government is not perfect, but it is certainly among
the better ones in the world.
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albatross350 How condescending to suggest that we are all a bunch of
sheep. Yeah we’ve never protested our government or anything. Never.
We just blindly do as we are told like they do in China.
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ElmerDinkley

tarheel…well for my part I volunteered to serve near the DMZ in Korea
for 2 years, waived my right to 6 months of stateside duty once I
returned home and volunteered to ship out with my new unit and served
12 months on north of Baghdad…was stopped lossed by the army and did
an additional 9 months beyond my contract and never said a word. I
have been to these places and I am not proud of some of the things MY
country is doing and am tired of Fox News and MSNBC telling me what I
should think. Question Authority. Any more questions less
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tarheel7824 thats because the majority of Americans couldnt handle the
truth. look a the #1 news story right now. its Lindsey Lohan going to
jail. do i really want someone who is interested in such a stupid news
article voicing there opinion on politics.
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toomanynames

There is no such thing as a harmless lie. If something is being
covered up, it is because one entity is benefitting from the harm of
another. Is that what this country is about? And if the public truly
“can’t handle the truth,” Colonel Jessup, then maybe it should be
questioned why the government have woven itself such an unfathomable
web of lies in the first place.

And by the way, you’re not nearly as free as you think you are. less
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csears00

Apparently Obama and his administration now have an assassination list
of American citizens who pose a “threat to national security”. There
are 2 Democratic representatives on video tape discussing this. Where
is this story CNN? Even Obama’s own party is turning against him when
the lies are now so obvious. What is next? This country is no longer
free.

On a side note, here are 2 blatant lies by the Obama Administration
regarding the health care bill:
1. OBAMA: There are some folks out there who are, frankly, bearing
false witness…. You’ve heard that this is all going to mean government
funding of abortion. Not true.”
- Pennsylvania and Maryland became the first states to have federally
funded high risk insurance pools which cover abortions.

2.OBAMA: No matter how we reform health care, I intend to keep this
promise: If you like your doctor, you’ll be able to keep your doctor.
- The insurance pools are extremely restricted access to doctors, you
cannot keep your doctor if you go to the federally funded insurance
program. less
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csears00

stopgop: You did not respond to any of the arguments in this post.
Obama LIED, flat out LIED about what was in this bill. How can you
trust him to do anything, much less reform the financial industry or
health care (again)?

Obamacare does nothing to address the issues of health care cost, that
is the entire health care issue. Plain and simple. less
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stopgop get full government paid healthcare in to cover EVERYTHING for
EVERYONE and we get a system that will be better than the one that is
Obamacare. We know Obamacare isnt great, it doesnt go far enough in
addressing the issues of public healthcare.
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tarheel7824 thank you rossitta. people have no idea the freedoms they
have.
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DRando You mean like people questioning their government? That is a
freedom we have that you seem to disagree with.
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FractalWorld “people have no idea the freedoms they have.”

You seem to have no idea what freedoms people are denied – or maybe
you just too facist to care.
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BartFargo People also have no idea what the US government is really
doing, or really says behind closed doors.
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Shonsy

I saw the video a couple months ago. Because the video picked up in
mid mission it’s hard to say if it was wrong doing or not. I’m not
saying it’s not possible but the parts, of the none edited video,
clearly you can hear the pilot say they took small arms fire. You can
also see in the video ak’s and an RPG (clearly was not a cemera tripod
on close up) The only past that might be considered wrong (in my
opinion) is the part when they shot the van. But I must say if I has
my kids in the van I would not stop in a war zone to help injured
people and put my kids at risk. I also find it strange that people are
quick to judge with a video that could not possibly give us the whole
story. I’m from Canada and enjoy freedom simular to the states and I’m
greatfull for that and I’m sure there has been Canadian soldiers
involved in simular missions with the same outcome. This does not mean
they are bad people but it’s war (and in my opinion a war that is for
the greater good) In my opinion if Wikileaks wants to really show the
truth, and not just line their pockets, they should show the whole
story I’m guessing if they got a hold of that video they can get a
hold of the whole video and not edit it. less
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Shonsy Who said that? He did! Maybe he does not have a permanent home
for other reasons but he is not doing it for free.
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tonymtn BartFargo can only respond to the wikileaks “profits” portion
of Shonsy’s well thought-out, logical analysis of the video. I find
that interesting.
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BartFargo This guy has no permanent home, and otherwise the site is
run entirely by volunteers who draw no compensation. The operating
costs go towards running the servers, and towards compensating lawyers
for legal fees. You clearly have no idea what you’re talking about
with regards to Wikileaks.
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Shonsy

Are you serious? You think the guy does this for free? Just because
the company is non profit does not mean he is! There are plenty of non
profits out there and the people that run alot of them do very well
for themselves, as long as the company it’s self does not show profit
it’s considered non profit. Just just simple bussines less
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BartFargo They are a non-profit, and actually have great difficult
even meeting operating costs every year…I don’t know how you could
possibly think they’re “lining their pockets”.
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tarheel7824

Wow Elmar good comment. So what have you done to change what you see
going on around you? let me guess… you type your anger out and think
your making an impact. you do know in the U.S you are given a choice.
Its called voting and if you dont like whats going on around you guess
what, you can vote them out. less
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DazedBoi

Come on you think we Americans have time to vote…we hate to go and
stay in line that even on a Tuesday…are you kidding me…i just want to
sit my a$$ and watch Idol, Real Housewives, omg there are so many
shows I don’t have time to vote or cook for that matter…and who is
stupid to cook when food is so cheap in McDonalds. And water we are
actually supposed to drink that…if we do that then who is going to
drink coke, pepsi, mountain dew…come on I feel so sleepy and there are
3 more shows in TV I need to watch…where the hell is my red bull…AND
WE WONDER WHY CHINA IS SLOWLY SURPASSING US AS THE WORLD LEADER… less
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BartFargo And replace them with another liar just as bad? We’ve all
experience promises of “Change”. No thanks, I think I’ll stick to
leaking classified material to try to force “change” instead.
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rossitta

Some things may be wrong here, nobody is perfect, but for all of you
criticizing our country, feel free to move to the Middle Eastern
countries and express your opinions there… I am sick to see most
people complaining about our government. What a shame that we still
have people talking like this IGNORAMUS about what is right or wrong…
placing people’s lives at risk by disclosing important information. I
bet that in 5 minutes he already knows who I am… less
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FractalWorld “for all of you criticizing our country, feel free to
move”

No. It was the intent of our founding fathers that citizens continualy
criticize and improve our country.

If you don’t like that, then YOU are criticizing our country, and by
your own rules, should “feel free to move”.
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Reagan

So anyone who disagrees with the government should not voice their
opposition and instead go to an oppressive country? Your opinion
basically throws out the concept of voting and the 1st Amendment.
Citizens in the US are provided recourse against the government. If
you don’t like that, you should go to the Middle East where recourse
does not exist. less
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1978Camaro GOOGLE SEARCH——-FALL OF THE REPUBLIC
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thnkbfruspk
Many folks here are confusing “truth” with classified material. Truth
is a subjective, transient term that we use in a desperate attempt to
make sense of our individual reality. Simply put, there are as many
“truths” as there are sensient beings in the universe. Classified
information is that whi… more
Many folks here are confusing “truth” with classified material. Truth
is a subjective, transient term that we use in a desperate attempt to
make sense of our individual reality. Simply put, there are as many
“truths” as there are sensient beings in the universe. Classified
information is that which, if released, has the potential to cause
grave harm to the source or owner.

If the pilot in this video (edited and released mid-act it should be
noted) perceived those individuals as a threat during a military
exercise (his “truth”), or followed orders from his commanding officer
(another set of “truths”) or lashed out at innocents in a fit of rage
(you get the point) then what will releasing the video hope to
accomplish?

Any of the “truths” that I have presented should be dealt with
differently. By opening up this act (and it seems everything about our
lives) to global scrutiny it serves no purpose other than to enable
terrorist recruiters. We all tend to judge a singular action without
proper context and this is no exception. Our military men and women
will see this video differently than their commanding officers,
politicians, insurgents, conspiracy theorists, etc. This site is
nothing more than narcissistic propaganda. less
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Riptide80

Actually, thnkbfruspk is right. All reality is subjective. You should
read up on jury studies, eye-witness testimonies, etc. People who
“swear” by things are more often than not, wrong. It’s not a bad
thing, just human nature. Plus, while this video is horrendous at
first sight, it is only a tiny glimpse into all the events leading up
to this. Different example, police chases, alot of times police are
captured in extraordinary callous chases which seem recklace. The
media doesn’t capture the before picture of the events leading up to
it. less
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BartFargo I think you’re confusing objective truth with subjective
truth…in other words you’ve been watching too much cable news.
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Byrd8 He’s simply reporting what the mainstream media should be
reporting, but is paid not to by the powers that remain conviently
undisclosed. Carry on! You’re doing great work!
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Learning41 Classified my a22! That’s a f**king secret, and you know
it!
Government is another way to say better-than-you.
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IRman26

What wikileaks is doing for journalists is great, however, they must
be wary of governments that do not have the same protections for
journalists as Belgium and Sweden. In US Mr. Assange or any other
wikileaks employee could be arrested for treason or aiding and
abetting in an attempt to share state secrets. less
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BartFargo They’ve just recently worked on passing a bill through the
Icelandic parliament that gives journalists there the best protections
there in the world. That is also actually where they produced the
“Collateral Damage” Iraq video released in April.
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ElmerDinkley Leave a comment…Wow tarheel…how does that kool-aid taste.
Sounds like you pour yourself a big tall glass of propganda berry
flavored every morning
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TheAzorean Yea but what does he know about JFK. No seriously I was
impressed I like what their doing and it seems strait.
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Noble9 The dude’s an albino?
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Kookamonga Wow! This guy is right out of a Stieg Larrson novel (Girl
With The Dragon Tatoo).
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BartFargo He really is a pretty unique and impressive individual
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tarheel7824 Really Nazi Germany. You are an idiot.
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tarheel7824 Really Nazi Germany. You are an idiot.
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poppop2323 Mannytee89 you are dead on!! keep up the knowledge, there
are always gonna be people like tarheel who cant disseminate truth
from propaganda.
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Mannytee89

Really? Because you’re on here spewing this pro-government rhetoric as
if you’ve been bought by them. Hitler’s government managed to delude
people into the belief that their society was perfect as well. A TRUE
PATRIOT always questions his Government, no matter what. What Freedom?
The Freedom to stand by and watch as Politicians run our country into
the ground? The Freedom to be censored when we speak against the
affluent? The Freedom to be thrown in jail for smoking a plant? If
being informed makes me an idiot then by all means, I will wear the
title proudly. less
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tarheel7824

It amazes me to see people putting down our government. Do you even
understand the freedom that we have because of our government. If you
dont like the way its run then go live in another country and enjoy
there freedoms. Be lucky that you are an american citizen and stop
complaining. There is a reason why truths are kept from us and that is
because the uninformed public couldnt handle it. less
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Mudfish What the hell does that mean?…”because the uninformed public
couldn’t handle it.” Who are you to decide what I can handle and what
I can’t? I truly don’t get your statement. And if we are just the
“uninformed public”, then the government must be robots?? Smoke
another one!
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T2vodka Oh, and one more thing, maybe your puny little brain couldn’t
handle it, but I sure as heck can, and can act on information. This
is, for the most part, an educated country, we aren’t mindless sheep
who cower when someone says boo.
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tonymtn

Totally wrong. Our constitution provides our freedom by LIMITING our
government. I do agree that some things need to be kept secret for our
own good. But putting absolute trust into the hands of people like
Pelosi, Reid, Obama, Blagoyovich, Bush, etc. is abjectly asinine.
Completely loony tunes, dude. less
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T2vodka

tarheel, you are an idiot. Plain and simple, think about what you just
said. First off, our government has not given us ANY freedom, it is
the citizens of this country that maintain our freedom. What right
does our government have to GIVE us freedom, when freedom is a right?
Name one government in history that hasn’t caused trouble? The USA
government is no different. We the citizens must always watch and make
sure our government does not run amuk (however you spell that). That
is why we have elections, to get rid of someone and replace them with
a better. It’s time we americans to this country back, and showed them
the true power of the people via our vote, demonstrations, and demand
to know the truth. less
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justthisone

Our government is made up of citizens, it is not some god-like force.
We are free because of ourselves and our previous generations (who
gave up more for this than I certainly have given up) Yes there are
situations where the idea is to let a few people handle issues because
by nature everyone should not be informed (think spies, they should
exist, I shouldn’t know who they are, or think of administrative
tasks), but the idea that they can do no wrong is ludicrous. Do you
really agree with every policy in force in the US right now in full?
Healthcare, Tax cuts, supporting the banks, welfare? You must disagree
with something; everything can always be made better, even if it’s
pretty darn good already (and especially if it’s not). less
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tonyp1

“Truths” should NOT be kept by a government from it’s people. Military
secrets should be – those protect our soldiers. Don’t confuse the two.
Truths should be given to the public by the people who were voted to
represent them – politicians are not royalty and above us all – they
are representatives and accountable for their actions. Welcome to the
U.S. less
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ElmerDinkley

Here we go with the “if you don’t like it move to another country”
response. You are the lowest common denominator of US citizen…if
people never stood up against goverment having too much control we
would still be a British colony. Wake up…the goverment works for me
and you so it’s ok to question them. less
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FractalWorld “Do you even understand the freedom that we have because
of our government.”

I am going for the freedom to know about and punish crimes committed
by our government.
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FractalWorld “There is a reason why truths are kept from us and that
is because the uninformed public couldnt handle it.”

Speak for yourself – Oh, wait. You are.
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FractalWorld “Be lucky that you are an american citizen and stop
complaining.”

Stop complaining.
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bkaulbars Maybe we should just stop voting altogether. What a toolbag.
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FractalWorld “If you dont like the way its run then go live in another
country”

That’s pretty much how THIS country got started! There is no open
space where we can go start a new country, so no more running – if
this country has a problem, lets fix it!
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SuadS
What a stupid post. First, telling someone that if they dont like
being lied to by the government or doesnt like what the government is
doing should leave and live somewhere else? What an ignorant opinion.
Perhaps those people want to change that or our government. Perhaps
you need to leave and live… more
What a stupid post. First, telling someone that if they dont like
being lied to by the government or doesnt like what the government is
doing should leave and live somewhere else? What an ignorant opinion.
Perhaps those people want to change that or our government. Perhaps
you need to leave and live in a country where they lie to you all the
time. The reason truths are kept secret, like the truth as to why we
actually went into Iraq, is because they know the average person
wouldnt support them in their corporate wars. less
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FractalWorld “If you dont like the way its run then go live in another
country”

Which is why the founding fathers did not include a way to ammend the
Constitution. We are not going to bother with improvements, or fixing
problems – we are just going to say like it or leave it.
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relians
have you ever lived anywhere else? i have lived in canada and france,
and felt no different than in the us. i enjoyed freedom in all of
those countries. we must criticize our government, there is nothing
more “american” than that. our government is becoming more and more
corrupt, and must be watched… more
have you ever lived anywhere else? i have lived in canada and france,
and felt no different than in the us. i enjoyed freedom in all of
those countries. we must criticize our government, there is nothing
more “american” than that. our government is becoming more and more
corrupt, and must be watched. less
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Mannytee89 Are you kidding me? With your rhetoric you’d be better
suited to live in Nazi Germany. Seriously open your eyes for once in
your life.
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justthisone

I think the premise of Wikileaks is good. Does that mean every secret
out there needs to be broadcast? No. But the army video spoken of
seems less of mission critical information to be kept secret and more
of a cover up of a horrible act. I don’t think the pilots went into
the mission saying “lets kill some civilians”, but that doesn’t mean
they didn’t end up doing it. less
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Jdoggers It is a good thing he came out and let everyone know who he
is. Now the CIA can put a hit out on him pretty easily.
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PCat123

I’m pretty sure they have been following this guy since the website
went up. They probably know more about this guy then he knows about
himself…this now public appearence is a smart idea because if anything
were to “happen” to him, a lot of people would find out and in turn
bring more people to his cause. less
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BartFargo As if everyone didn’t know who he was before…you’ve been
following this story pretty closely, haven’t you?
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abducted I wish wikileasks would get some classified documents on area
51, roswell incident, and aliens in general… I need to know the
truth!!
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T2vodka

deforge, I’ve read so much on nine eleven my brain hurts. All the
‘theories’ on 9-11 are very weak, and the professionals make very very
very good cases. No, I do not believe our government intentionaly
killed all those people. I can believe, however, that our government
was dumb enough to let it happen considering what they knew. less
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deforge and don’t forget the TRUTH about NINE ELEVAN
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waistedmenke goes to show you there really isn’t anything to cover up
there
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MML9999 The truth should never be “classified”
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FractalWorld When the law is being used to hide illegal acts then it
is illegal to break the law at the same time that it is illegal to
obey the law.

Much like when a liar says “I always lie” – is he telling the truth,
or lying? It is a language trap with no way out.
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Jessy Brave men for showing the truth.
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Guest

I lived next door to an Iraqi war vet who was one of the first in
Baghdad after 9/11, he also had video of himself killing civilians on
a portable hard drive that was destroyed by the Army once he landed in
the US. I can see why some info needs to stay classified but if the
military is treating this war like a Call of Duty game I think the
world needs to know. less
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needforspeed

Your gut response may be that this is power to the people, expose
those doing evil and so on. However, without checks in place this type
of resource will cause many people to die.

Consider somebody posting a highly classified list of who the U.S. has
in Iraq serving as operatives to monitor the state of things. They
would all become targets for execution. Or suppose battle plans were
disclosed, giving those we are fighting a leg up on what is to come,
putting those U.S. citizens we demand fight and die for us at even
greater risk.

We are a republic. As citizens we don’t have all of the information
needed to assess whether one piece of information is as it appears or
not. We need to put faith in our political leaders and vote them out
if they are not serving our best interests. Disclosing all of our
secrets on Wikileaks is not a solution. less
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aatami Perhaps your need for speed has taken it’s toll amigo. Not
making any sense here.
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vbscript2

@OptimusM: The very definition of classified information implies that
its release could put people’s lives in danger. A document is only
allowed to be classified if its release would result in harm to the
national security. Classified information in the U.S. is defined as
the following:

Confidential: release will cause “damage” to the security
Secret: release will cause “serious damage” to the security
Top Secret: release will cause “exceptionally grave damage” to
national security

Information is specifically forbidden to be classified as a cover-up
and/or to prevent embarrasment to the government. If it’s classified,
it usually has a really good reason to be. less
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FractalWorld “Disclosing all of our secrets on Wikileaks is not a
solution.”

Yet, neither is hiding all our secrets. Hiding a problem just keeps
people from working to fix it.
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BartFargo “It’s simply too dangerous for me to be informed as to the
truth about my country, so I prefer to be a safe little mushroom in
the dark.” Real intelligent.
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FractalWorld “without checks in place this type of resource will cause
many people to die.”

Yet this current controversy started when many people died because
this type of resource is not firmly in place?
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enigma512 lol so posting videos of wrongdoings is somehow suppose to
give away plans for the future? I think videos have to take place in
the past buddy. posting plans and/or names is not whistle blowing,
it’s being stupid.
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OptimusM He ha said he will not post anything that puts peoples lives
in danger. Such as the names of spies or anything like that.
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zzmook

The spirit of the CYA coverup is that things go wrong in the
preservation of order. The problem is that instead of trying to learn
from mistakes and do better the system leans on the CYA instead. We
have some pretty conclusive proof that we need to do a LOT of long
overdue housecleaning in this department. less
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Shonsy

I saw the video a couple months ago. Because the video picked up in
mid mission it’s hard to say if it was wrong doing or not. I’m not
saying it’s not possible but the parts, of the none edited video,
clearly you can hear the pilot say they took small arms fire. You can
also see in the video ak’s and an RPG (clearly was not a cemera tripod
on close up) The only past that might be considered wrong (in my
opinion) is the part when they shot the van. But I must say if I has
my kids in the van I would not stop in a war zone to help injured
people and put my kids at risk. less
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neurobio Some brave people did, and got killed for it. They, at least,
were obviously unarmed. The first shooting can be defended, but the
second was criminal.
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Yousyourhead It’s great that Mainstream is finally addressing
Wikileaks. It’s time that those who are afraid to research the truth
are told the truth. ALL of your world history is different than you
may think.
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Kerriboo The truth seems to be manipulated by one side or another,
when it usually it’s somewhere in the middle.
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enigma512 yay for him I say
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Mannytee89 If the U.S. Government is destroyed by the Truth then so be
it. I’m tired of being lied to.
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DillWeed7 Hmm, have you ever smelt a great big ole stinkin’ turd?
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arrrgh You might be destroyed by the truth as well.
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fistv For those of us who have actually maintained those yellow and
pink files the number that were CYA classified used to disgust me.
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RickMcDaniel Those who expose wrong doing, at any level, are to be
congratulated for doing the right thing. They usually pay a high
personal price, for doing so, but they do it anyway, in the spirit of
the common good.
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T2vodka

Yes, the question is though, can you trust what is being posted? Also,
when in combat, how easy is it to tell the difference between
civilians and combatants, when they dress the same, and the combatants
perposfully use civilians as shields? I have a friend in the army, and
he said most of the time, you know, because the civilans will clear
out ahead of time, and anyone left on the street, is usually a
hostile. So, yes, I can see how mistaking civilians in this type of
war could be done very easily. Just sad the whole thing had to even
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TEDTalk Tuesdays

With TED, amazing ideas spread at speed of sound — and light
By Chris Anderson, Special to CNN
October 28, 2009 6:31 p.m. EDT

TED curtaor Chris Anderson discusses the collaboration with
CNN.comSTORY HIGHLIGHTS
Curator says TED allows remarkable people to share ideas with global
community
Posting conference talks online has helped spread message, he says
TED Prize gives three people $100,000; only requirement is to think
big
In new partnership, CNN.com will offer Ted Talk Tuesdays

Editor’s note: Chris Anderson is the curator of TED and founder of the
Sapling Foundation, which acquired TED in 2001 and seeks to use media,
technology and ideas to tackle global issues.

NEW YORK (CNN) — TED started as an experiment in convergence and
somehow, miraculously, has morphed into a source of fascination,
inspiration and learning for millions of curious souls all over the
world.

I showed up at TED for the first time 11 years ago and was exhilarated
to find myself among people turned on by cool ideas. Geeks, designers,
entrepreneurs, scientists, global activists — viewed one way, they
couldn’t have been more different. But everyone was curious; everyone
wanted to dig below the surface and have a real conversation about
stuff that mattered.

I fell in love with the event so badly that within a year, I’d set my
heart on acquiring it. It was the kind of thing you could devote a
life to. Through a complicated series of events, I was able to do this
in 2001 and transfer it into a not-for-profit foundation with the
mission “ideas worth spreading.” That’s made it natural for TED to
gradually transition from being an exclusive club to a global
community that anyone can participate in.

The key step was our decision three years ago to start posting the
conference talks online for anyone to see for free.

Far from robbing the conference of its crown jewels, the move has been
transformative, both for TED and for some of the speakers who have
achieved an unexpected new form of celebrity. With audiences in the
millions, they are helping redefine what it is to be a great teacher.
It is thrilling to imagine them delivering insight and inspiration to
knowledge-seekers old and young, rich and poor, in every corner of the
planet.

TED was founded in 1984 by information architect Richard Saul Wurman
and his partners. They saw that the industries of Technology,
Entertainment and Design — the T, E and D of TED — were converging and
that an event covering all three could be uniquely interesting. So it
turned out.

The first TED showcased the brand-new Apple Macintosh and strange
round silver shiny discs, the first CDs. The program generated huge
excitement, but it was a commercial failure, Five years later, Wurman
tried again, and since then it’s been held annually in California,
with a growing number of spin-off events in other locations.

But a strange thing happened over the years. The content of the
conference became ever broader, incorporating scientists, business
leaders, novelists, social entrepreneurs and movers and shakers of all
stripes. We now seek out literally anyone who is remarkable from any
discipline, provided they can find a way of powerfully sharing their
passion with a general audience.

Here’s why this works. Our world has gotten more complicated than
ever. And most issues simply cannot be understood by looking at them
through a single lens. In the world’s race to specialize, we forgot
that actually all knowledge is connected.

Take the current economic crisis. The bankers and economists and
politicians are largely stumped. To fight our way through this may
well require ideas from much wider sources — perhaps from systems
architects and evolutionary psychologists, or from researchers
dreaming up new energy sources or philosophers or activists
questioning our basic priorities.

Policies and politicians come and go, but great ideas last forever.
And we live in an age where they can spread faster than ever.

But there’s something else strange about TED. It turns out that if you
spend a few days opening yourself to brilliance from multiple sources,
not just intellectual but also aesthetic, something remarkable
happens. You end up getting seized by a sense of possibility,
excitement — inspiration, even.

Since taking over at TED, I’ve been trying to figure out what that
means and what can be done with it.

One of our attempted answers is the TED Prize. Each year, we grant
this award to three individuals with world-changing potential. They
get $100,000 … but more important, they are granted a wish under the
following terms: “No restrictions. Think big. Be creative.” At TED,
they reveal their wishes to an audience ready to be inspired. This has
led to a series of thrilling collaborative projects (they’re
documented at tedprize.org).

This year has seen another surprising development in which tens of
thousands of people around the world have gathered in more than 300
self-organized TED-like events. We call this program TEDx (see ted.com/
tedx) .

TEDx events have been held in 50 countries, in schools, companies,
campuses and theaters. They range in scale from 1,200 college kids in
Los Angeles, California, to a tiny battered church in the middle of
Africa’s largest slum. The passion being put into these events is
astonishing and proves a global interest in this new way of sharing
knowledge and reawakening wonder.

How big could this get? Well, it depends on how many people are out
there with a passion to learn and a willingness to help shape a better
future. Certainly, CNN’s partnership is a big step forward for us,
giving TED exposure to a vast global audience hungry for knowledge
that matters. TEDTalks aren’t usually about the story of the day. But
the ideas they communicate will help shape the stories of tomorrow.

Welcome to TED. Watch with an open mind … and let your curiosity take
you on a thrilling journey of discovery!

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Chris
Anderson.

…and I am Sid Harth

Whistleblower

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A whistleblower is a person who raises a concern about wrongdoing
occurring in an organization or body of people. Usually this person
would be from that same organization. The revealed misconduct may be
classified in many ways; for example, a violation of a law, rule,
regulation and/or a direct threat to public interest, such as fraud,
health/safety violations, and corruption. Whistleblowers may make
their allegations internally (for example, to other people within the
accused organization) or externally (to regulators, law enforcement
agencies, to the media or to groups concerned with the issues).

Whistleblowers frequently face reprisal – sometimes at the hands of
the organization or group which they have accused, sometimes from
related organizations, and sometimes under law.

See also: List of whistleblowers

Overview

Origins of term

The term whistleblower derives from the practice of English police
officers, who would blow their whistles when they noticed the
commission of a crime. The whistle would alert other law enforcement
officers and the general public of danger.[1]

Definition

Most whistleblowers are internal whistleblowers, who report misconduct
on a fellow employee or superior within their company. One of the most
interesting questions with respect to internal whistleblowers is why
and under what circumstances people will either act on the spot to
stop illegal and otherwise unacceptable behavior or report it.[2]
There is some reason to believe that people are more likely to take
action with respect to unacceptable behavior, within an organization,
if there are complaint systems that offer not just options dictated by
the planning and control organization, but a choice of options for
individuals, including an option that offers near absolute
confidentiality.[3]

External whistleblowers, however, report misconduct on outside persons
or entities. In these cases, depending on the information’s severity
and nature, whistleblowers may report the misconduct to lawyers, the
media, law enforcement or watchdog agencies, or other local, state, or
federal agencies. In some cases, external whistleblowing is encouraged
by offering monetary reward.[4]

Under most U.S. federal whistleblower statutes, in order to be
considered a whistleblower, the federal employee must have reason to
believe his or her employer has violated some law, rule or regulation;
testify or commence a legal proceeding on the legally protected
matter; or refuse to violate the law.

In cases where whistleblowing on a specified topic is protected by
statute, U.S. courts have generally held that such whistleblowers are
protected from retaliation.[5] However, a closely divided U.S. Supreme
Court decision, Garcetti v. Ceballos (2006) held that the First
Amendment free speech guarantees for government employees do not
protect disclosures made within the scope of the employees’ duties.

Common reactions

Ideas about whistleblowing vary widely. Whistleblowers are commonly
seen as selfless martyrs for public interest and organizational
accountability; others view them as a ‘tattle tale‘ or
“snitches” (slang), solely pursuing personal glory and fame. Some
academics (such as Thomas Alured Faunce) consider that whistleblowers
should at least be entitled to a rebuttable presumption that they are
attempting to apply ethical principles in the face of obstacles and
that whistleblowing would be more respected in governance systems if
it had a firmer academic basis in virtue ethics.[6][7]

It is probable that many people do not even consider blowing the
whistle, not only because of fear of retaliation, but also because of
fear of losing their relationships at work and outside work.[8]

Because the majority of cases are very low-profile and receive little
or no media attention and because whistleblowers who do report
significant misconduct are usually put in some form of danger or
persecution, the idea of seeking fame and glory may be less commonly
believed.[citation needed]

Persecution of whistleblowers has become a serious issue in many parts
of the world. Although whistleblowers are often protected under law
from employer retaliation, there have been many cases where punishment
for whistleblowing has occurred, such as termination, suspension,
demotion, wage garnishment, and/or harsh mistreatment by other
employees. For example, in the United States, most whistleblower
protection laws provide for limited “make whole” remedies or damages
for employment losses if whistleblower retaliation is proven. However,
many whistleblowers report there exists a widespread “shoot the
messenger” mentality by corporations or government agencies accused of
misconduct and in some cases whistleblowers have been subjected to
criminal prosecution in reprisal for reporting wrongdoing.

As a reaction to this many private organizations have formed
whistleblower legal defense funds or support groups to assist
whistleblowers; one such example in the UK is Public Concern at Work.
Depending on the circumstances, it is not uncommon for whistleblowers
to be ostracized by their co-workers, discriminated against by future
potential employers, or even fired from their organization. This
campaign directed at whistleblowers with the goal of eliminating them
from the organization is referred to as mobbing. It is an extreme form
of workplace bullying wherein the group is set against the targeted
individual.

Legal protection

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In the United States, legal protections vary according to the subject
matter of the whistleblowing, and sometimes the state in which the
case arises.[9] In passing the 2002 Sarbanes-Oxley Act, the Senate
Judiciary Committee found that whistleblower protections were
dependent on the “patchwork and vagaries” of varying state statutes.
[10] Still, a wide variety of federal and state laws protect employees
who call attention to violations, help with enforcement proceedings,
or refuse to obey unlawful directions.

The first U.S. law adopted specifically to protect whistleblowers was
the Lloyd-La Follette Act of 1912. It guaranteed the right of federal
employees to furnish information to the United States Congress. The
first U.S. environmental law to include an employee protection was the
Water Pollution Control Act of 1972, also called the Clean Water Act.
Similar protections were included in subsequent federal environmental
laws including the Safe Drinking Water Act (1974), Resource
Conservation and Recovery Act (also called the Solid Waste Disposal
Act) (1976), Toxic Substances Control Act (1976), Energy
Reorganization Act of 1974 (through 1978 amendment to protect nuclear
whistleblowers), Comprehensive Environmental Response, Compensation,
and Liability Act (CERCLA, or the Superfund Law) (1980), and the Clean
Air Act (1990). Similar employee protections enforced through OSHA are
included in the Surface Transportation Assistance Act (1982) to
protect truck drivers, the Pipeline Safety Improvement Act (PSIA) of
2002, the Wendell H. Ford Aviation Investment and Reform Act for the
21st Century (“AIR 21″), and the Sarbanes-Oxley Act, enacted on July
30, 2002 (for corporate fraud whistleblowers).

The patchwork of laws means that victims of retaliation need to be
alert to the laws at issue to determine the deadlines and means for
making proper complaints. Some deadlines are as short as 10 days (for
Arizona State Employees to file a “Prohibited Personnel Practice”
Complaint before the Arizona State Personnel Board; and Ohio public
employees to file appeals with the State Personnel Board of Review).
It is 30 days for environmental whistleblowers to make a written
complaint to the Occupational Safety and Health Administration [OSHA].
Federal employees complaining of discrimination, retaliation or other
violations of the civil rights laws have 45 days to make a written
complaint to their agency’s equal employment opportunity (EEO)
officer. Airline workers and corporate fraud whistleblowers have 90
days to make their complaint to OSHA. Nuclear whistleblowers and truck
drivers have 180 days to make complaints to OSHA. Victims of
retaliation against union organizing and other concerted activities to
improve working conditions have six months to make complaints to the
National Labor Relations Board (NLRB). Private sector employees have
either 180 or 300 days to make complaints to the federal Equal
Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) (depending on whether their
state has a “deferral” agency) for discrimination claims on the basis
of race, gender, age, national origin or religion. Those who face
retaliation for seeking minimum wages or overtime have either two or
three years to file a civil lawsuit, depending on whether the court
finds the violation was “willful.”

Those who report a false claim against the federal government, and
suffer adverse employment actions as a result, may have up to six
years (depending on state law) to file a civil suit for remedies under
the U.S. False Claims Act (FCA).[11] Under a qui tam provision, the
“original source” for the report may be entitled to a percentage of
what the government recovers from the offenders. However, the
“original source” must also be the first to file a federal civil
complaint for recovery of the federal funds fraudulently obtained, and
must avoid publicizing the claim of fraud until the U.S. Justice
Department decides whether to prosecute the claim itself. Such qui tam
lawsuits must be filed under seal, using special procedures to keep
the claim from becoming public until the federal government makes its
decision on direct prosecution.

Federal employees could benefit from the Whistleblower Protection Act,
[12] and the No FEAR Act (which made individual agencies directly
responsible for the economic sanctions of unlawful retaliation).
Federal protections are enhanced in those few cases were the Office of
Special Counsel will uphold the whistleblower’s case.

The Military Whistleblower Protection Act[13] protects the right of
members of the armed services to communicate with any member of
Congress (even if copies of the communication are sent to others).

Legal protection for whistleblowing varies from country to country.
[14] In the United Kingdom, the Public Interest Disclosure Act 1998
provides a framework of legal protection for individuals who disclose
information so as to expose malpractice and matters of similar
concern. In the vernacular, it protects whistleblowers from
victimisation and dismissal.

Legal acts

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Ceballos case and the Whistleblower Protection Act of 2007

The U.S. Supreme Court dealt what many considered a major blow to
government whistleblowers when, in the case of Garcetti v. Ceballos,
04-5, 547 US 410,[15] it ruled that government employees did not have
protection from retaliation in performance evaluations by their
employers under the First Amendment of the Constitution if the alleged
speech was produced as part of his/her duties.[16] Ceballos did not
dispute that his memo was made as part of his official duties.
Whistleblowers who want to pursue a federal case under the First
Amendment must now always claim the memos and writings made are part
not only of the official duty but of a citizen’s opinion and discourse
of public relevance. This can be done by alleging that the cause for
retaliation is not the text of the memo but the ideas surrounding it.
In the case of Ceballos he could have argued that his protected speech
was his concept of strict adherence to the rule of law.

The free speech protections of the First Amendment have long been used
to shield whistleblowers from retaliation by whistleblower attorneys.
In response to the Supreme Court decision, the House of
Representatives passed H.R. 985, the Whistleblower Protection Act of
2007. President George W. Bush, citing national security concerns,
promised to veto the bill should it be enacted into law by Congress.
The Senate’s version of the Whistleblower Protection Act (S. 274),
which has significant bipartisan support, was approved by the Senate
Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs on June 13,
2007. However, it has yet to reach a vote by Senate as a hold has been
placed on the bill by Senator Tom Coburn (R-OK).[17] According to the
National Whistleblower Center, Coburn’s hold on S. 274 has been done
to further President Bush’s agenda.[18]

California False Claims Act

The California False Claims Act protects whistleblowers from
retaliation from their employer under a section entitled: “Section
12653. Employer interference with employee disclosures.”[19] Under
this section, employers may not make rules that prevent an employee
from disclosing information to the government in furtherance of a
false claims action, an employer may not discharge, demote, suspend,
threaten, harass, deny promotion to, or in any other manner
discriminate against, an employee in the terms and conditions of
employment because he or she has disclosed information to the
government.

Conscientious Employee Protection Act (CEPA)

CEPA, New Jersey’s whistleblower law, prohibits an employer from
taking any retaliatory action against an employee because the employee
does any of the following:

Discloses, or threatens to disclose, to a supervisor or to a public
body an activity, policy, or practice of the employer or another
employer, with whom there is a business relationship, that the
employee reasonably believes is in violation of a law, or a rule or
regulation issued under the law, or, in the case of an employee who is
a licensed or certified health care professional, reasonably believes
constitutes improper quality of patient care;
Provides information to, or testifies before, any public body
conducting an investigation, hearing or inquiry into any violation of
law, or a rule or regulation issued under the law by the employer or
another employer, with whom there is a business relationship, or, in
the case of an employee who is a licensed or certified health care
professional, provides information to, or testifies before, any public
body conducting an investigation, hearing or inquiry into quality of
patient care; or
Objects to, or refuses to participate in, any activity, policy or
practice which the employee reasonably believes: is in violation of a
law, or a rule or regulation issued under the law, or, if the employee
is a licensed or certified health care professional, constitutes
improper quality of patient care; is fraudulent or criminal; or is
incompatible with a clear mandate of public policy concerning the
public health, safety or welfare or protection of the environment.
[20]

“Concerning protection for health care workers who report patient
safety information” in Colorado

“Patient safety is of paramount importance in the delivery of health
care to Colorado citizens. A patient is at his or her safest when a
health care worker has the right to speak out on the patient’s behalf
without fear of reprisal or retaliation. Health care providers
recognize that, in order to deliver the highest quality health care,
it is imperative that all health care workers have the right to report
patient safety concerns and to advocate for a patient’s well being
without the risk of disciplinary action or loss of employment.”[21]

See also

Look up whistleblower in Wiktionary, the free dictionary.

European Community competition law: Leniency policy
Complaint system
False Claims Act
Global Integrity tracks the status of whistle blowers worldwide.
List of whistleblowers
The Department of Defense Whistleblower Program
Qui tam
Source criticism
Wikileaks

References

^ Winters v. Houston Chronicle Pub. Co., 795 S.W.2d 723, 727 (Tex.
1990) (Doggett, J., concurring).
^ Dealing with—or Reporting—“Unacceptable” Behavior (With additional
thoughts about the “Bystander Effect”) ©2009Mary Rowe MIT, Linda
Wilcox HMS, Howard Gadlin NIH, Journal of the International Ombudsman
Association 2(1), online at Ombudsassociation.org
^ Mary Rowe, “Options and Choice for Conflict Resolution in the
Workplace” in Negotiation: Strategies for Mutual Gain, by Lavinia
Hall, ed., Sage Publications, Inc., 1993, pp. 105–119.
^ What is a Tax Informant Award?
^ DOL.gov
^ Faunce TA Developing and Teaching the Virtue-Ethics Foundations of
Healthcare Whistle Blowing Monash Bioethics Review 2004; 23(4): 41-55
^ Faunce TA and Jefferys S. Whistleblowing and Scientific Misconduct:
Renewing Legal and Virtue Ethics Foundations Journal of Medicine and
Law 2007, 26 (3): 567-84
^ Rowe, Mary & Bendersky, Corinne, “Workplace Justice, Zero Tolerance
and Zero Barriers: Getting People to Come Forward in Conflict
Management Systems,” in Negotiations and Change, From the Workplace to
Society, Thomas Kochan and Richard Locke (editors), Cornell University
Press, 2002. See also Dealing with—or Reporting—“Unacceptable”
Behavior (With additional thoughts about the “Bystander Effect”)
©2009Mary Rowe MIT, Linda Wilcox HMS, Howard Gadlin NIH, Journal of
the International Ombudsman Association 2(1), online at
Ombudsassociation.org
^ Peer.org
^ Congressional Record p. S7412; S. Rep. No. 107-146, 107th Cong., 2d
Session 19 (2002).
^ 31 U.S.C. § 3730(h)
^ 5 U.S.C. § 1221(e)
^ 10 U.S.C. § 1034
^ Global Integrity Report
^ Garcetti v. Ceballos, 04-5, 547 US 410
^ High Court Trims Whistleblower Rights
^ Whistleblower Protection Enhancement Act of 2007 – Congresspedia
^ Take Action Now
^ California False Claims Act
^ N.J.S.A. 34:19-3
^ House Bill 07-1133. By Representative(s) Carroll M., Levy, Soper,
Kefalas, Primavera, Carroll T., Cerbo, Frangas, Gagliardi, Kerr A.,
Labuda, McKinley, Riesberg, Solano, Buescher, Casso, Fischer, Garcia,
Green, Jahn, Lambert, Madden, McGihon, Peniston, Roberts, Romanoff,
and Todd; also SENATOR(S) Hagedorn, Boyd, Fitz-Gerald, Mitchell S.,
Shaffer, Tochtrop, Tupa, and Williams. State.co.us

Further reading

IRS.gov, Whistleblower – Informant Award
Project On Government Oversight, Homeland and National Security
Whistleblower Protections: The Unfinished Agenda, April, 2006.
Project On Government Oversight, Public Employees for Environmental
Responsibility and Government Accountability Project, Art of
Anonmymous Activism: Serving the Public While Surviving Public Service
“Chapter One”, 2002. To order full book, go here.
Project On Government Oversight, Documents Concerning the Office of
Special Counsel.
Quentin Dempster, Whistleblowers, Sydney, ABC Books, 1997. ISBN
0-7333-0504-0 [See especially pp. 199-212: 'The Courage of the
Whistleblowers']
Frais,A Whistleblowing heroes — boon or burden? Bulletin of Medical
Ethics, 2001Aug:(170):13-19.
Alford, C. Fred (2001). Whistleblowers: Broken Lives and
Organizational Power. Cornell University Press. ISBN 0-8014-3841-1.
Garrett, Allison, “Auditor Whistle Blowing: The Financial Fraud
Detection and Disclosure Act,” 17 Seton Hall Legis. J. 91 (1993).
Hunt, Geoffrey (20061). The Principle of Complementarity: Freedom of
Information, Public Accountability and Whistleblowing in Chapman, R &
Hunt, M (eds) Freedom of Information: Perspectives on Open Government
in a Theoretical and Practical Context. Ashgate, Aldershot, UK.
Hesch, Joel (2009). Whistleblowing: A guide to government reward
programs. Goshen Press. ISBN 978-0977260201.
Hunt, Geoffrey (2000). Whistleblowing, Accountability & Ethical
Accounting, in. Clinical Risk 6(3): 115-16.
Hunt, Geoffrey (1998). ‘Whistleblowing’, commissioned entry for
Encyclopedia of Applied Ethics, (8,000 words). Academic Press,
California, USA,.
Hunt, Geoffrey (ed) (1998). Whistleblowing in the Social Services:
Public Accountability & Professional Practice. Arnold.
Hunt, G (ed) (1995). Whistleblowing in the Health Service:
Accountability, Law & Professional Practice. Arnold.
Johnson, Roberta Ann (2002). Whistleblowing: When It Works—And Why.
ISBN 978-1588261144.
Kohn, Stephen M (2000). Concepts and Procedures in Whistleblower Law.
Quorum Books. ISBN 1-56720-354-X.
Kohn, Stephen M; Kohn, Michael D; Colapinto, David K. (2004).
Whistleblower Law A Guide to Legal Protections for Corporate
Employees. Praeger Publishers. ISBN 0-275-98127-4.
Lauretano, Major Daniel A., “The Military Whistleblower Protection Act
and the Military Mental Health Protection Act”, Army Law, (Oct) 1998.
Miethe, Terance D (1991). Whistleblowing at work : tough choices in
exposing fraud, waste, and abuse on the job. Westview Press. ISBN 0-81—
33-3549-3.
“Sarbanes-Oxley Criminal Whistleblower Provisions & the Workplace:
More Than Just Securities Fraud,” by Jay P. Lechner & Paul M. Sisco,
80 Florida B. J. 85 (June 2006)
Rowe, Mary & Bendersky, Corinne, “Workplace Justice, Zero Tolerance
and Zero Barriers: Getting People to Come Forward in Conflict
Management Systems,” in Negotiations and Change, From the Workplace to
Society, Thomas Kochan and Richard Locke (editors), Cornell University
Press, 2002

External links

Wikimedia Commons has media related to: Category:Whistleblower

Advice to whistleblowers What whistleblowers really need to know.
Global Integrity Report tracks whistleblower protection worldwide.
The Integrity Line – Powered by the UK charity Crimestoppers
Whistleblower.co.uk UK site for whistleblowers to tell their story
Taxpayers Against Fraud
Father and Son Whistleblowers’ Website – Tips for Whistleblowers – A
free public Service
Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility (PEER)
Government Accountability Project
Worldwide Whistleblowers – International whistleblowing news and
information site
Project On Government Oversight (POGO)
The Ron Ridenhour Awards
National Whistleblower Center
The Truth-Telling Project – Project formed by whistleblowers Daniel
Ellsberg and Katharine Gun
FAIR: Federal Accountability Initiative for Reform For Whistleblowers
in Canada
Public Concern at Work – the leading UK authority on Public
Disclosure
Public Interest Disclosure Act 1998 from Her Majesty’s Stationery
Office
Workplace Fairness FAQ for environmental whistleblowers
Congressional Research Service (CRS) Report “National Security
Whistleblowers”
Whistleblowers in the EU
International Freedom of Expression Exchange
National Security Whistleblowers Coalition Source for many and varied
articles
Freedom to Care UK’s first grassroots (1991)whistleblowers support
organisation.
Whistleblower-Netzwerk Whistleblower support organisation in Germany.
(Turkish) Canaktan.org, Whistleblowing Site
U.S. Department of Labor Whistleblower Program & information
List and information on US Whistleblowers at SourceWatch
Read v. Canada (Attorney General) Canadian legal framework regarding
whistleblowing defence
“Office of Special Counsel’s War on Whistleblowers”, Mother Jones, May/
June 2007.
Political Party of Whistleblowers in the Netherlands
Grant Thornton IBR whistleblowing survey
Nurses test Colorado whistle-blower law. Published: June 17, 2009 at
3:53 PM. UPI.com.
ABC Radio National documentary on the legal framework in Australia and
the US

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Psychological manipulation

Positive reinforcement Attention · Flattery · Giving gifts · Giving
money · Grooming ·Ingratiation · Love bombing · Praise · Seduction ·
Smiling · Superficial charm · Superficial sympathy

Negative reinforcement Anger · Character assassination · Crying ·
Emotional blackmail · Frowning · Glaring · Guilt trip · Inattention ·
Intimidation · Nagging · Nit-picking criticism · Passive aggression ·
Punishment · Relational aggression · Shaming · Silent treatment ·
Sulking · Swearing · Threats · Victim blaming · Victim playing ·
Yelling

Other techniques Deception · Denial · Deprogramming · Disinformation ·
Distortion · Diversion · Evasion · Exaggeration · Gaslighting ·
Indoctrination · Lying · Minimisation · Rationalization (making
excuses)

Contexts Abuse · Advertising · Bullying · Confidence trick · Media
manipulation · Mind control · Mobbing · Propaganda · Scapegoating ·
Smear campaign · Spin · Whispering campaign

Related topics Assertiveness · Blame · Dumbing down · Enabling ·
Impression management · Fallacy · Narcissism · Personal boundaries ·
Personality disorders · Persuasion · Projection · Psychopathy · Self-
esteem · Sheeple · Sycophancy · Vulnerabilities · Weasel words ·
Whistleblowing

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