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Garth Foster  
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 More options Jun 12 2003, 9:28 am
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From: gpfos...@hotmail.com (Garth Foster)
Date: 12 Jun 2003 06:28:34 -0700
Local: Thurs, Jun 12 2003 9:28 am
Subject: Mick Dodson's speech
(The Australian 12 June 2003)

Violence in indigenous communities is endemic and getting worse, with
extreme action required to stop brutality against women and children,
respected Aboriginal leader Mick Dodson has said.

COMMENT - Respected by who? And why the sudden change of tune? For
years we've heard indigenous spokesmen demanding that whitey justice
keep clear of indigenous famly business. The usual indigenous response
to the extraordinary rate of black imprisonment is to claim
discrimination and insist that courts send less abborignes to jail.
The indigenous response to child welfare intervention is to complain
that the children are stolen.

Slamming indigenous leaders for their failure to make headway on the
problem, Professor Dodson also made a plea for Prime Minister John
Howard to help.

COMMENT - No. For years theyve been saying give us money and land and
we'll solve our own problems. Theyve had both money and land bigtime.
If they dont want it this way any more then they should start by
giving the money and land back.

He said the level of violence against children was particularly
"devastating" and "beyond comprehension" including abuse of babies too
gruesome for him to describe. "Our children are experiencing horrific
levels of violence and sexual abuse," the head of the Australian
National University's Institute for Indigenous Australia told the
National Press Club in Canberra yesterday. The problem was "at crisis
point", as children suffered neglect, incest, pedophilia and assault,
and babies fell prey to rapists, while women were "crying out for
help".

COMMENT - How can this dork have the efrontery to pretend he's just
found out about these things.

"We must acknowledge that the extent of violence in our communities is
totally unacceptable. It is extreme and requires extreme action."

COMMENT - Like what sort of action? Does he mean ATSIC should spend
some money on the problem instead of funding trips and spurious land
claims?

Little research has been done on child sex abuse in black communities,
but the Queensland Domestic Violence Taskforce has estimated 90 per
cent of Aboriginal families are affected by violence. The taskforce
said Aboriginal women were 45 times more likely than other women to be
victims of violence.

COMMENT - Up until now the lefty cultural relativists have been
insisting its racist to say that sort of thing. And theyve convinced
politicians to pass laws which prohibit observations that people of a
particular race are inclined to engage in this sort of behaviour. The
chardonay sippers only want to give them selves a pat on the back for
doing there bit towards reconcilliation by taking a stroll across
Sydney Harbour Bridge.  But how can you reconcile with a culture in
which it's routine for a teenage kid to invite his mates over to sniff
a bit of petrol and stick there dicks in his primary-school sister?
While mum's flaked out in the back room trying to numb the pain of her
black eye with grog. And theres no real concept of "dad" - unless you
choose to apply the term to one of the blokes who likes to pop over in
the evening to give mum a nuckle sanwich.

Another recent fedral government study, by researcher Paul Memmot,
found the rates and. types of violence were getting worse in many
areas. Professor Dodson called on the Government to work with black
communities to combat family violence as "a national priority".

COMMENT - Whats he want them to do? Jail the ofenders?

It is not only indigenous leadership that should be tackling the
issues, it requires strong political leadership from the Prime
Minister down," he said. "This is not just our problem - this is
everyone's problem."

COMMENT - Bullshit. Its an indigenous problem.

Professor Dodson said violence was spread by poverty and social
exclusion, "which combine into a volatile cocktail of despair, anger,
powerlessness and hopelessness".

COMMENT - Now the excuses start coming out. Actuly he's got cause &
effect mixed up. A dysfunctional culture fosters violence vandalism
and antisocial behaviour. These things lead to poverty and social
exclusion.

Violence rendered other government programs "pointless" because it
destroyed people's work, education and health. "Perhaps many of us are
trying, but we are not trying hard enough," he said "I don't think
those of us who are said to be leaders are providing the leadership
that is required."

COMMENT - Well he's hit the nail on the head there. Indigenous
leadership is rock bottom hopeless thats for sure.

Professor Dodson stressed such violence was not part of traditional
culture.

COMMENT - O well thats alright then. Course traditional culture is
just a fantasy in someones head. Secret wimens busness The Woggle etc.
Who is it thats been encouraging indigenous people to confuse
traditional culture with real life?

"But it is occurring principally because of the marginalisation of
Aboriginal people, economic and welfare dependency high levels of
unemployment . . . and the breakdown of community values.

COMMENT - Again, he's confusing cause and effect.

Indigenous family violence expert Boni Robertson applauded Professor
Dodson's comments, saying child sex abuse was chronic but
under-researched.

COMMENT - Jesus don't tell me someone's going to tell us the answer is
to do more research. This problem is fu*ken obvious.

"We have to ask why this violence is happening, and it flows from
suppressed trauma. If you really want to do something about this
problem, you need to address the trauma that's fuelling the alcohol
abuse and violence," she said.

COMMENT - Seems to have caught the cause/effect confusion from Dodson.
She's got it real bad. Trauma causing violence? She's joking. The
violence causes trauma. That's the whole thing about violence.

Yanyi Bandisha, from the Finke community southeast of Alice Springs
and vice-chairwoman of the grassroots Ngaanyatjarra Pitjantjatjara
Yankunytjatjara womens council, strongly endorsed professor Dodson's
wake-up call. "At last, an Aboriginal man is standing up to talk for
the rights of women and children."

COMMENT - Strong endorsement? Pasive squeak more like. These people
need asertiveness training.

Jane Lloyd, chairwoman of the Northem Territory Domestic and
Aboriginal Family Violence Advisory Council, said: "We are really
encouraged by Mick Dodson's strong comments today, and hope that other
indigenous men will follow and ensure that the safety of women and
children is paramount."

COMMENT - They can only hope.

Ms Lloyd said Professor Dodson's claims about the levels of,
violence.were not exaggerated. "It is at a crisis and it needs more
than talk. There needs to be accessible and credible services to all
indigenous women throughout Australia."

COMMENT - Well talk is all that's on offer. She should take the matter
up with ATSIC.

She said domestic violence services were either not credible or
non-existent in remote communities. "They are hardly there. There are
huge gaps in delivery of what we would consider basic services in
urban areas." Alison Anderson, the only woman on the board of the
Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Commission, said the peak
indigenous body had a strong policy deploring violence and was
developing an action plan with other agencies.

COMMENT - Like I said above, talk is all that's on offer.


 
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Wallaby  
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 More options Jun 12 2003, 10:04 am
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From: Wallaby <notM...@il.address.net>
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 10:06:20 +1000
Local: Thurs, Jun 12 2003 8:06 pm
Subject: Re: Mick Dodson's speech

Garth Foster wrote:
> COMMENT - Respected by who? And why the sudden change of tune? For
> years we've heard indigenous spokesmen demanding that whitey justice
> keep clear of indigenous famly business.

There was once one giant continent on this planet from which all humans can
trace their origin. This scientific fact makes you and I and everybody else
'aboriginals'. Just because the Australian Government chooses to
obsessively deny reality does not mean we all must live in their primitive
mindset.

 
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 More options Jun 12 2003, 11:06 pm
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From: "infidel" <some...@somewhere.com>
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 13:06:00 +1000
Subject: Re: Mick Dodson's speech
Who the flying fuck is Mick Dodson?
Is he a Mabo?
FA
I.

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Ben Perry  
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 More options Jun 13 2003, 1:49 am
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From: benjper...@hotmail.com (Ben Perry)
Date: 12 Jun 2003 22:49:34 -0700
Local: Fri, Jun 13 2003 1:49 am
Subject: Re: Mick Dodson's speech

Wallaby <notM...@il.address.net> wrote in message <news:fA%Fa.303$Ab2.6368@newsfeeds.bigpond.com>...
> Garth Foster wrote:

> > COMMENT - Respected by who? And why the sudden change of tune? For
> > years we've heard indigenous spokesmen demanding that whitey justice
> > keep clear of indigenous famly business.

> There was once one giant continent on this planet from which all humans can
> trace their origin. This scientific fact makes you and I and everybody else
> 'aboriginals'. Just because the Australian Government chooses to
> obsessively deny reality does not mean we all must live in their primitive
> mindset.

It's hard to squeeze any meaning at all out of your response, but I
take it your argument is this: We are all aboriginals so we shouldn't
criticise any aspect of aboriginal culture.

You sir (or madam) are the kind of head-in-the-sand self-righteous
ineffective ignoramus who is part of the problem. In fact, your
statement about denial of reality appears to be an excellent example
of the form of thought disorder known as projection.


 
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brain  
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 More options Jun 13 2003, 3:45 am
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From: brain <g...@matter.com>
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 07:44:36 GMT
Local: Fri, Jun 13 2003 3:44 am
Subject: Re: Mick Dodson's speech
benjper...@hotmail.com (Ben Perry) wrote in
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'cept projection is the norm... its the mirror that is
required, and the discipline is to turn away from the mirror
and assimilate the lessons

.


 
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steve2000  
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 More options Jun 13 2003, 5:58 am
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From: stevespe...@hotmail.com (steve2000)
Date: 13 Jun 2003 02:58:53 -0700
Local: Fri, Jun 13 2003 5:58 am
Subject: Re: Mick Dodson's speech

gpfos...@hotmail.com (Garth Foster) wrote in message <news:5ab9ad17.0306120528.104724d9@posting.google.com>...
> (The Australian 12 June 2003)

> Violence in indigenous communities is endemic and getting worse, with
> extreme action required to stop brutality against women and children,
> respected Aboriginal leader Mick Dodson has said.

> COMMENT - Respected by who? And why the sudden change of tune? For
> years we've heard indigenous spokesmen demanding that whitey justice
> keep clear of indigenous famly business. The usual indigenous response
> to the extraordinary rate of black imprisonment is to claim
> discrimination and insist that courts send less abborignes to jail.
> The indigenous response to child welfare intervention is to complain
> that the children are stolen.

<snippage for space>

Try to concentrate, dickhead. Dodson is talking about saving women and
children's lives. Fuck the politics and fuck you.

steve spears


 
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Ben Perry  
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 More options Jun 13 2003, 9:21 pm
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From: benjper...@hotmail.com (Ben Perry)
Date: 13 Jun 2003 18:21:13 -0700
Local: Fri, Jun 13 2003 9:21 pm
Subject: Re: Mick Dodson's speech

I suggest you cram it up your arse sonny.

Sure Dodson is talking. Talking talking talking. That's what
Aboriginal spokesmen do. And why haven't we heard all this from him
before? Because it didn't fit the politics back then. It isn't like he
didn't have a forum. Commissioner with the Human Rights Commission for
years etc. The spokesmen who are calling for white action now are the
exact same people who were calling for "hands off" a decade or so ago.
They bear a huge share of responsibility for the problem.

The indigenous culture accepts what is being done to women and
children and there has been a conspiracy of silence about it -
involving Aboriginal activists, journalists and white do-gooders
(including politicians and lawyers) - until The Australian decided
about a year ago to start telling it like it is. It's too late though.
Any desirable parts of indigenous culture have been eaten away by the
greed, corruption and just plain evil that have characterised
Aboriginal politics over the past 30 years.


 
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William J. Wolfe  
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 More options Jun 14 2003, 8:37 am
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Date: 14 Jun 2003 05:37:52 -0700
Local: Sat, Jun 14 2003 8:37 am
Subject: Re: Mick Dodson's speech

 Talking about another guilt trip for uninformed White Australians
would be closer to the truth. years ago when Pauline hanson mentioned
boongs, booze and abuse she was denounced as a racist. All she did was
tell the world what most of us had known for years. Booze and abos are
NOT a safe combination. Never have been, never will be. Now prick
dodson has said tha same a Pauline Hanson, he's somehow made out to be
a crusader for a safer life for abos. What a load of fucking bullshit.
What he really wants is for you fools to feel guilty and pressure the
government to toss a few million more dollars into ATSIC's fat bank
account.

 
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 More options Jun 18 2003, 8:20 pm
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From: <paulpar...@optusnet.com.au>
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 10:15:47 +1000
Local: Wed, Jun 18 2003 8:15 pm
Subject: Re: Mick Dodson's speech
Feel this is terrible, absolutely shockingly terrible....  agreeing with
Garth almost whole way.

Sooner we drop words "Aboriginal",  "Black"  etc  from discussions of the
problems the sooner we shall see the problems actually addressed... but of
course to do this is to stop supporting racism, something so many of the
trendies will find difficult.

Garth ring my home on 08-8956-8917

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 More options Jun 18 2003, 8:50 pm
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Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 10:19:45 +1000
Local: Wed, Jun 18 2003 8:19 pm
Subject: Re: Mick Dodson's speech

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> gpfos...@hotmail.com (Garth Foster) wrote in message

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Read it again steve,  Mick is talking about protecting and enlarging
empires,  particularly those that benefit he and his family.

 
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 More options Jun 18 2003, 8:50 pm
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Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 10:18:22 +1000
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Subject: Re: Mick Dodson's speech

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No the head in the sand is the permit system that imprisons people and fines
journalists for telling the truth - or their version of it ;-)

 
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 More options Jun 18 2003, 8:55 pm
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Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 10:48:10 +1000
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Subject: Re: Mick Dodson's speech

Bureaucrats sat on hands as drinking port skyrocketed. Report by KIERAN
FINNANE.
Land council causes strife in native title land development. Report by ERWIN
CHLANDA.
http://www.alicespringsnews.com.au/1019.html

- - - - - - -
Black health organisation ripping off the taxpayer? Report by ERWIN CHLANDA.
LETTER: Grog runners, creek campers.
http://www.alicespringsnews.com.au/1018.html

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Black health organisation ripping off the taxpayer? Report by ERWIN CHLANDA.
Most want alcohol restrictions to stay. Report by KIERAN FINNANE.
LETTER: Grog runners, creek campers.
http://www.alicespringsnews.com.au/1018.html

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http://www.alicespringsnews.com.au/1017.html
LAW AND ORDER: POLICE HAS SAY. Report by KIERAN FINNANE.
Who's doing what for young people? Report by KIERAN FINNANE.
LETTER: Old Timer Dave Baldwin on 'crime' in Alice.

------------
http://www.alicespringsnews.com.au/1012.html
ATSIC: "pet programs" a myth. Report by KIERAN FINNANE.

------------
http://www.alicespringsnews.com.au/1011.html
Alcohol measures: It's crunch time. COMMENT by ERWIN CHLANDA.

------------
http://www.alicespringsnews.com.au/1010.html
Alcohol abuse strategy: We are drinking more! Report by ERWIN CHLANDA.
Grog: no shame in admitting the problem, says letter writer Betty Pearce.

http://www.alicespringsnews.com.au/1008.html
Four day pub ban stayed by regulator.
Permits to buy grog 'might slow people down on drinking'. PART TWO of a
report by KIERAN FINNANE.

http://www.alicespringsnews.com.au/1007.html
FREEDOM OF SPEECH STOPS RIGHT HERE. Report by ERWIN CHLANDA.
Tangentyere Council is threatening legal action for trespass against Alice
Springs News journalist Kieran Finnane following a lead story on March 5
headed "Port wine turns Alice valley into living hell".
Ms Finnane asked two residents of the Hidden Valley town camp to speak to
her about alcohol related issues, and the two women invited her to speak
with them at their homes.
Tangentyere executive director William Tilmouth concedes the report, quoting
in part senior Eastern Arrernte woman Agnes Abbott, is "a true reflection of
her frustrations of the 'grog problem' that many of our people face".
However, he attacks it on a number of grounds, including that Ms Finnane did
not obtain permission through Tangentyere to enter the camp.
Ms Finnane says Tangentyere's threats are an attempt to limit free speech by
Mrs Abbott and Carol Turner, the other interviewee, and seek to exert
unacceptable pressure on the Alice Springs News.
"In the interviews, conducted over two days, I asked two willing and highly
articulate Aboriginal women to comment on how grog is affecting their day to
day lives," says Ms Finnane.
"The account they offered was harrowing by most people's standards and
remains available for all to read on the Alice News website.

{{{{PP: go to the page link above to read rest}}}}

HONOURING ABORIGINAL ENTREPRENEURS. Report by ERWIN CHLANDA.
{{{PP: could also be titled why and how the permits system is used to
protect socialist models from competing commecial activities}}}

pp: what the heck, go have a look at their archive page :
http://www.alicespringsnews.com.au/archive.html

B TW my relationship with the Alice Springs News is as a contented reader -
and on occaision mention of self and or family in it, and that have met
Erwin and other staff from time to time over the years.


 
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