How many times I need to repeat Howard is freemason?
Anonymous
The Age Newspaper 9/2/06 below got it absolutely right...... Howard already
knows the answer to the Cole Inquiry.
Of course he and all freemasons know.
There will be no absolute proof (ie.
anything in writing) that the Govt definitely knew of the $300M worth of
kickbacks, so as far as HE IS CONCERNED they are untouchable.
Freemasons are always untouchable.
Bullshit John!
How may times are we going to be asked that you and your Minister's knew
absolutely nothing - the AWB kickbacks, the children overboard lie, the lies
about WMD in Iraq, taking Aust to war on a false premise, the unnecessary
Siev-X refugee boat disaster, Peter Reith's mobile phone bill rort,
providing mercenary thugs who were trained in Dubai to take on the wharfies
etc etc etc!
All of them freemasons conspiracy.
I could go on....
Jack The Ripper, Vatican Lodge P2, Atomic test in South Australia, Breast Cancer Campaigns, Red Nose Day, CSA and Family Court - all freemasonic conspiracies.
But they certainly SHOULD have known about these things of national
imprtance if they were doing their job properly, instead of performing the 3
wise monkey act of see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil.
Why are you surprised? This is how masons work.
Honest John -
my arse!
there is no honest freemason as their Oath force them to lie.
Where is the accountability or Ministerial responsibility in the
Howard Govt. There is none - zippo!
Because all Lieberals are freemasons.
And what is he doing about it? Nothing.
Freemasons always do nothing what can harm any other freemason.
Talk about time for a change.
Yeah? Which other freemason are you going to vote for next time?
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THE AGE NEWSPAPER 9/2/06:
The Howard Government has developed the process of quarantining ministers
from unwelcome news by surrounding them with political advisers able to
block written or oral briefings from reaching the minister.
One of the iron laws of politics is for governments never to initiate an
inquiry unless the outcome is known and the person conducting the inquiry is
seen as reliable. The main purpose of the Cole inquiry into the AWB's
marketing of wheat in Iraq, as far as the Government is concerned, is to
find that there is no proof that the Government knew that the AWB was
offering kickbacks to Saddam Hussein's regime to sustain its 60 per cent
share of the lucrative Iraqi wheat market in the face of UN-sponsored
sanctions.
The US turned a blind eye to the sanction-busting oil black market that
developed across the border to Jordan and Turkey because this helped keep
both countries on the side of the West and contributed to stabilising global
oil prices. Without the sanctions, Iraq probably would not have had the
incentive to pay an inflated price for Australian wheat. And the kickbacks,
in the form of inflated transport costs, might have been held to deniable
levels until it became clear to the Iraqis that Australia supported US plans
to invade Iraq in 2003.
According to industry sources, the benefit to Australian wheatgrowers of the
higher prices on the Iraq market between 1999 and 2003 was about $700
million after taking into account kickbacks of $300 million.
Alexander Downer's department is known as the Department of Foreign Affairs
and Trade. Throughout this time DFAT had a Trade Commissioner in Baghdad.
One of his jobs is to gather intelligence on the wheat trade through
contacts in the relevant Iraqi ministries and AWB executives passing through
Baghdad.
There are desk officers in DFAT and the Department of Agriculture whose job
it is to monitor commodity prices and who could not have avoided seeing the
divergence between the prices received by AWB compared with market prices.
It is their job to find out why the price discrepancies occurred and to pass
that information to the minister.
As well, there is provision under the AWB act for a government-appointed
director on the AWB whose job essentially involves being the eyes and ears
of Trade Minister Mark Vaile. If he did not do his job, the responsibility
lies with the Government, not the AWB.
Wheat sales to Iraq were insured through the Export Finance Insurance
Corporation under "national interest" cover in which the risk is transferred
to the taxpayer through the
government as a whole. According to a former deputy secretary of the Finance
Department, Stephen Bartos, approval for this type of cover involves
Treasury and Finance as well as DFAT and Agriculture departmental officials
and usually results in disagreement that has to be resolved at the
ministerial level.
The Government gives the appearance that it is confident the Cole inquiry
will not find a smoking gun in the form of written memos proving the
Government's knowledge of the kickbacks. The electorate should be very
afraid because it would provide evidence that the Commonwealth bureaucracy
is politicised from top to bottom so that the first line of defence against
bad government - a professional public service that sees its duty to provide
independent advice to government and which is prepared to create a paper
trail, especially where the Government is prepared to recklessly ignore
advice - has been largely trashed over the past decade.
It is plain as a pikestaff that the greater the willingness of Australia to
bang the drum in favour of US policies in the Middle East, the greater the
pressure on the AWB to pay kickbacks to hold the market and the more certain
their size would lead to eventual exposure. At least we can say that from
the beginning of the sanctions, the Government prepared itself for this
eventuality.
It may have even asked what the consequences would be if the Government had
directed the AWB not to offer kickbacks. It is a reasonable assumption that
Australia would have lost the market, probably to France. Even if the wheat
had got a market at the world price,
Australia's 32,000 wheat farmers would have lost more than $20,000 each.
What if Australia hadn't joined the "coalition of the willing"? Arguably,
Australia would not now be a terrorist target and would have much more
secure wheat markets in the Middle East and other Islamic countries such as
Indonesia, Pakistan and Malaysia.
The UN sanctions following Gulf War I were replaced by the oil-for-food
program, which was supported mainly by the United States and Britain as a
means of fomenting internal revolution against the Saddam regime. Instead,
the sanctions and the program
led to widespread misery - including the deaths of hundreds of thousands of
children
- and helped sustain Saddam's regime by creating a common external enemy.
Nobody has clean hands when it comes to sanctions and sanctions-busting
except for
two senior UN officials who headed the program but resigned, describing its
effects as a form of genocide.
It is the Government's job to police sanctions. It is the AWB's function to
maximise returns to growers in the face of heavily subsidized competition
from the US and the EU. If the Government refuses to see what is happening
before its eyes, what is the unwritten signal being sent by the Government
and how is the AWB expected to respond?
Any government worthy of the name would tough out the findings of the
Volcker report
instead of hanging the AWB out to dry through a hostile inquiry. Australia's
competitors
want the Government to revoke the AWB's single desk export monopoly. So do
the competition fetishists in the Liberal Party. God help us if we have to
rely on the Nationals to protect the national interest."
dechucka
snip
lar...@holbrookmasons.org
> Jack The Ripper, Vatican Lodge P2, Atomic test in South Australia, Breast Cancer Campaigns, Red Nose Day, CSA and Family Court - all freemasonic conspiracies.
Nope. Ripper's affiliation is not proven. P2's activities were never
approved by any Masonic authority (no one recognizes the lodge or its
members as Masonic except antis), and the rest are simply vague
unsubstantiated attempts to sully the fraternity's good name.
> But they certainly SHOULD have known about these things of national
> imprtance if they were doing their job properly, instead of performing the 3
> wise monkey act of see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil.
All the while you were doing ... what? Picking your nose?
> there is no honest freemason as their Oath force them to lie.
My obligations including nothing about lying. Have you tried reading
the exposed rituals for yourself or are you so gullible as to accept
the word of a liar?
> Because all Lieberals are freemasons.
That's a lot of people. Either that, or there are fewer lieberals
(sic) than you think. There are only about 4 million Masons world
wide.
Oh, I'm sorry, you think every jerk-o is a Mason. In that case, we
number in the hundreds of millions and already know where you live.
> Yeah? Which other freemason are you going to vote for next time?
I didn't vote for one this time. What's so special about next time?
Carole
<lar...@holbrookmasons.org> wrote in message
news:1139602678.6...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Anonymous wrote:
> > Jack The Ripper, Vatican Lodge P2, Atomic test in South Australia,
Breast Cancer Campaigns, Red Nose Day, CSA and Family Court - all
freemasonic conspiracies.
I wouldn't be surprised. Got any references for the last 3 mentioned?
>
> Nope. Ripper's affiliation is not proven. P2's activities were never
> approved by any Masonic authority (no one recognizes the lodge or its
> members as Masonic except antis), and the rest are simply vague
> unsubstantiated attempts to sully the fraternity's good name.
>
> > But they certainly SHOULD have known about these things of national
> > imprtance if they were doing their job properly, instead of performing
the 3
> > wise monkey act of see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil.
Of course they should have known. That's what they get paid for.
>
> All the while you were doing ... what? Picking your nose?
>
> > there is no honest freemason as their Oath force them to lie.
Yes, aren't they sworn to help a brother out, or the cause, before any other
consideration? Which obviously would include the good of the general public,
and brother can be extended to include any other member of freemasonry, and
any other freemasonry cause.
>
> My obligations including nothing about lying. Have you tried reading
> the exposed rituals for yourself or are you so gullible as to accept
> the word of a liar?
>
> > Because all Lieberals are freemasons.
All liberals? Or just all liberals who end up climbing the ranks to become
house of representatives?
>
> That's a lot of people. Either that, or there are fewer lieberals
> (sic) than you think. There are only about 4 million Masons world
> wide.
>
> Oh, I'm sorry, you think every jerk-o is a Mason. In that case, we
> number in the hundreds of millions and already know where you live.
>
> > Yeah? Which other freemason are you going to vote for next time?
>
> I didn't vote for one this time. What's so special about next time?
What people don't realise is there are a lot of these secret societies. And
behind the secret societies, there is another higher up teir of control.
http://users.cyberone.com.au/myers/conspire.html
"I have offered a two-tiered theory. The first level is the one both far
left and far right agree on: the Round Table, the CFR, the Bildebergers
etc.[and secret societies]
"Then I posit another conspiracy operating in a strictly covert way, and
infiltrating the higher-level one. Members of the higher-level one would
imagine that they are the shapers of world history, not realising that they
themselves are being manipulated.
THE SECRET COVENANT
http://user.pa.net/~drivera/fwappa.htm /
http://www.unveilingthem.com/SecretCovenant.htm
An illusion it will be, so large, so vast, it will escape their perception.
Those who will see it will be thought of as insane.
We will create separate fronts to prevent them from seeing the connection
between us. [cartels or perhaps, more likely secret societies ]
We will behave as if we are not connected to keep the illusion alive. Our
goal will be accomplished one drop at a time so as to never bring suspicion
upon ourselves. This will also prevent them from seeing the changes as they
occur.
We will always stand above the relative field of their experience for we
know the secrets of the absolute.
We will work together always and will remain bound by blood and secrecy.
Death will come to he who speaks.
...etc
Carole
http://www.conspiracee.com
http://www.cellsalts.net
>
Larry
> Yes, aren't they sworn to help a brother out, or the cause, before any other
> consideration?
Nope. Masonry comes last in the list of priorities, behind God,
Country, Neighbor and Self.
> What people don't realise is there are a lot of these secret societies. And
> behind the secret societies, there is another higher up teir of control.
That old retread again?
Carole
"Larry" <lar...@holbrookmasons.org> wrote in message
news:HZWdncFNmvDzpnDe...@comcast.com...
> Carole wrote:
> > Yes, aren't they sworn to help a brother out, or the cause, before any
other
> > consideration?
>
> Nope. Masonry comes last in the list of priorities, behind God,
> Country, Neighbor and Self.
http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/tracingboard.html
"The first duty of the reader of this Synopsis is to obey the edicts of his
Grand Lodge. Right or wrong, his very existence as a Mason hangs upon
obedience to the powers immediately set above him. Failure in this must
infallibly bring down expulsion, which, as a Masonic death, ends all. The
one unpardonable crime in a Mason is contumacy, or disobedience." - Webb's
Freemasons' Monitor, p. 196
>
> > What people don't realise is there are a lot of these secret societies.
And
> > behind the secret societies, there is another higher up teir of control.
>
> That old retread again?
"The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are
as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to
secret oaths and to secret proceedings. We decided long ago that the dangers
of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweighed
the dangers, which are cited to justify it."
--President John F. Kennedy
John Nelson
01.iinet.net.au>, hubbc...@yahoo.com.au says...
> > > there is no honest freemason as their Oath force them to lie.
>
> Yes, aren't they sworn to help a brother out, or the cause, before any other
> consideration?
No.
We get that a lot, but it is absolutely false.
> > > Because all Lieberals are freemasons.
I realize that this is a largely provincialist argument, but if my
experience is any indicator, nothing could be further from the truth. By
my count, most Freemasons fancy themselves as conservatives, clueless
though they may be about the actual politics of those they support.
> All liberals? Or just all liberals who end up climbing the ranks to become
> house of representatives?
This question makes no sense.
> What people don't realise is there are a lot of these secret societies. And
> behind the secret societies, there is another higher up teir of control.
Really? Can you substantiate this remarkable claim?
<smirk>
Sorry guys, I just couldn't keep a straight face...
It's okay, sweetie. We know you can't prove your ridiculous claims, so
don't even try.
>
> http://users.cyberone.com.au/myers/conspire.html
> "I have offered a two-tiered theory...
Any idiot can offer a theory, but it takes a real fool to accept such
theories as fact, without the least shred of credible evidence to
support such theories.
John Nelson
01.iinet.net.au>, hubbc...@yahoo.com.au says...
>
> > Nope. Masonry comes last in the list of priorities, behind God,
> > Country, Neighbor and Self.
>
>
> http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/tracingboard.html
> "The first duty of the reader of this Synopsis is to obey the edicts of his
> Grand Lodge. Right or wrong, his very existence as a Mason hangs upon
> obedience to the powers immediately set above him. Failure in this must
> infallibly bring down expulsion, which, as a Masonic death, ends all. The
> one unpardonable crime in a Mason is contumacy, or disobedience." - Webb's
> Freemasons' Monitor, p. 196
Unfortunately, you are quoting a Masonic author, and as such, you are
merely echoing one individual's opinion. My obligation, those promises I
solemly made to my Brethren, do include a promise to uphold the
constitution, laws, and edicts of my Grand Lodge, but that passage
contains no such "right or wrong" qualification.
In other words, no Mason has ever sworn an oath, the likes of which you
are attempting to suggest is the case. Nice try.
> > That old retread again?
>
> "The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are
Do you keep no secrets? Is there nothing you consider private and safe
from the eyes and ears of others? If so, you wouldn't mind sharing them
with us, would you? Please post your name, address, social security
number (assuming you are a U.S. citizen), your date of birth, driver's
license number, and any other such "public" information that you insist
should be available in a "free and open society".
Echelon
<DieSpa...@njabl.org> wrote:
>Any idiot can offer a theory, but it takes a real fool to accept such
>theories as fact, without the least shred of credible evidence to
>support such theories.
Go easy on her. She subscribes to every loonie theory you've ever
heard. She can't be all there.
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> Do you keep no secrets? Is there nothing you consider private and safe
> from the eyes and ears of others? If so, you wouldn't mind sharing them
> with us, would you? Please post your name, address, social security
> number (assuming you are a U.S. citizen), your date of birth, driver's
*cough*, um this is aus.general - why would you assume *anyone* is a US
citizen? Carole's email address is even a yahoo.com.au one. Just
because she is a conspiracy quack? Hey! We aussies can be weirdos too!
Not everything happens in America!
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<nothing original>
Have you nothing to say but out-of-context quotes by others? You can't
use these things against me or Masonry because they don't refute my
statements.
Carole
"John Nelson" <DieSpa...@njabl.org> wrote in message
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I've heard that with regard to an organisation such as freemasonry, the
lowly initiates at the bottom don't know what they have to commit to at the
top, that by the time they get to the top 33 degree level they have gotten
themselves committed to a whole lot more than they ever signed up for.
Gradually as initiates climb through the ranks they find themselves working
more and more for the new world order and its goal of global enslavement.
I haven't done a lot of research, and the few sites I have visited seem
written by people who are overly religious and their main objection to
freemasonry seems to be that initiates are steered away from jesus. Bot
being of any religious pursuasion myself, I don't find this a good reason to
object to freemasonry. What I'd be looking for as an objection is where an
organisation is helping to further the interests of the global elite's new
world order, and since freemasonry's oaths and loyalties are sworn to
secrecy, and there seems to be freemasons in positions of power, people have
every reason to wonder what goes on behind closed doors.
It stands to reason that secret societies would be a marvellous tool for the
global enslavers to plant ideas and get a following to serve their causes.
Carole
http://www.conspiracee.com
TyBreaker
> world order, and since freemasonry's oaths and loyalties are sworn to
> secrecy, and there seems to be freemasons in positions of power, people have
> every reason to wonder what goes on behind closed doors.
I think secret societies have much less power these days than they may
have had in the ages before the global media existed. Nowadays, what
with whistle-blowers, the anonymity afforded by the internet, the
ability to use numerous forms of communication, if anybody is doing
something bad, someone else is likely to expose it - hence the scandals
etc that crop up regularly in government and big business.
John Nelson
01.iinet.net.au>, hubbc...@yahoo.com.au says...
> > > What people don't realise is there are a lot of these secret societies.
> And
> > > behind the secret societies, there is another higher up teir of control.
> >
> > Really? Can you substantiate this remarkable claim?
> > <smirk>
> > Sorry guys, I just couldn't keep a straight face...
> >
> > It's okay, sweetie. We know you can't prove your ridiculous claims, so
> > don't even try.
>
> I've heard that with regard to an organisation such as freemasonry, the
> lowly initiates at the bottom don't know what they have to commit to at the
> top, that by the time they get to the top 33 degree level they have gotten
> themselves committed to a whole lot more than they ever signed up for.
Yeah, we get THAT a lot too. If that's your "proof", you have failed, as
predicted.
> I haven't done a lot of research, and the few sites I have visited seem
> written by people who are overly religious and their main objection to
> freemasonry seems to be that initiates are steered away from jesus.
And they would be lying when they perpetuate that myth. Freemasonry has
no stand on any particular religion. Period.
> What I'd be looking for as an objection is where an
> organisation is helping to further the interests of the global elite's new
> world order, and since freemasonry's oaths and loyalties are sworn to
> secrecy,
False. We promised to keep the means of recognition (you know, the
password and the secret handshake) secret. Big deal.
> It stands to reason that secret societies would be a marvellous tool for the
> global enslavers to plant ideas and get a following to serve their causes.
Only if your capacity for reason is badly broken.
Jim Bennie
> In article <43edca3d$0$3699$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-
> 01.iinet.net.au>, hubbc...@yahoo.com.au says...
>> "The first duty of the reader of this Synopsis is to obey the edicts of his
>> Grand Lodge. Right or wrong, his very existence as a Mason hangs upon
>> obedience to the powers immediately set above him. Failure in this must
>> infallibly bring down expulsion, which, as a Masonic death, ends all. The
>> one unpardonable crime in a Mason is contumacy, or disobedience." - Webb's
>> Freemasons' Monitor, p. 196
> Unfortunately, you are quoting a Masonic author, and as such, you are
> merely echoing one individual's opinion. My obligation, those promises I
> solemly made to my Brethren, do include a promise to uphold the
> constitution, laws, and edicts of my Grand Lodge, but that passage
> contains no such "right or wrong" qualification.
And despite the nefarious implication being made, John, laws and edicts
by a Grand Lodge pertain only to the fraternity (such as how meetings
are conducted, size and colour of aprons). A Grand Lodge has no authority
in non-Masonic matters.
>> "The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are
> Do you keep no secrets?
A guy posting anonymously is STILL blubbering about secrets? <snicker>
Jim Bennie
Lodge Southern Cross No. 44, Vancouver
Gene Goldman
> I've heard that with regard to an organisation such as freemasonry, the
> lowly initiates at the bottom don't know what they have to commit to at the
> top, that by the time they get to the top 33 degree level they have gotten
> themselves committed to a whole lot more than they ever signed up for.
I've heard that it was the Freemasons who assigned Elvis to hire OJ to
stand on the Grassy Knoll in Dallas.
Isn't it interesting what you can hear?
> I haven't done a lot of research
Obviously.
, and the few sites I have visited seem
> written by people who are overly religious and their main objection to
> freemasonry seems to be that initiates are steered away from jesus. Bot
> being of any religious pursuasion myself, I don't find this a good reason to
> object to freemasonry. What I'd be looking for as an objection is where an
> organisation is helping to further the interests of the global elite's new
> world order, and since freemasonry's oaths and loyalties are sworn to
> secrecy, and there seems to be freemasons in positions of power, people have
> every reason to wonder what goes on behind closed doors.
Invalid presupposition. "since freemasonry's oaths and loyalties are
sworn to secrecy" - Untested, unsupported by fact and rather poor
grammar. Want to try again?
> It stands to reason that secret societies would be a marvellous tool for the
> global enslavers to plant ideas and get a following to serve their causes.
It also "stands to reason" that a secret society wouldn't have phone
numbers in the phone book, signs on buildings, meeting notices in
newspapers, thousands of Web Pages, a half-dozen Usenet newsgroups, a
few efnet channels, Billboards, Information booths at county fairs and
how many belt buckles, lapel pins and bumper stickers? Even a float in
the Rose Parade! Now THAT's what I call a secret! :))
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Doesn't everyone love rhetorical questions?
Objects in this post are funnier than they appear
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And in case I don't see ya' - Good Afternoon, Good Evening and Good Night!
John Nelson
> And despite the nefarious implication being made, John, laws and edicts
> by a Grand Lodge pertain only to the fraternity (such as how meetings
> are conducted, size and colour of aprons). A Grand Lodge has no authority
> in non-Masonic matters.
Well..., there are those who might, believing otherwise, disagree with
you, but that's another discussion. :)
>
> >> "The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are
>
> > Do you keep no secrets?
>
> A guy posting anonymously is STILL blubbering about secrets? <snicker>
The irony is exquisite.
carole
Gene Goldman wrote:
> Carole wrote:
>
> > I've heard that with regard to an organisation such as freemasonry, the
> > lowly initiates at the bottom don't know what they have to commit to at the
> > top, that by the time they get to the top 33 degree level they have gotten
> > themselves committed to a whole lot more than they ever signed up for.
>
> I've heard that it was the Freemasons who assigned Elvis to hire OJ to
> stand on the Grassy Knoll in Dallas.
>
> Isn't it interesting what you can hear?
>
> > I haven't done a lot of research
>
> Obviously.
>
> , and the few sites I have visited seem
> > written by people who are overly religious and their main objection to
> > freemasonry seems to be that initiates are steered away from jesus. Bot
> > being of any religious pursuasion myself, I don't find this a good reason to
> > object to freemasonry. What I'd be looking for as an objection is where an
> > organisation is helping to further the interests of the global elite's new
> > world order, and since freemasonry's oaths and loyalties are sworn to
> > secrecy, and there seems to be freemasons in positions of power, people have
> > every reason to wonder what goes on behind closed doors.
>
> Invalid presupposition. "since freemasonry's oaths and loyalties are
> sworn to secrecy" - Untested, unsupported by fact and rather poor
> grammar. Want to try again?
Nothing wrong with my grammar. I made a typo though, but that's not
grammar.
I don't go for the very correct type of English what's taught in all
proper schools.
I go for the meaningful lingo, if you get my drift ...the type of lingo
that the ordinary folk can understand, rather than the big words and
complex concepts.
Looks like its back to the drawing board for some research. Hopefully
I'll find something meaningful.
So just hang five there guys, don't go anywhere.
I'll be back.
Carole
"Gene Goldman" <br_...@pacbell.dot.net> wrote in message
news:sCzHf.29399$F_3....@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...
Not really. You can go and get all pedantic and particular abour correct
grammar if you like, its a free world.
You think bad grammar is a big sin? You sound like a snob.
Carole
http://www.conspiracee.com
Beaverfolk
Carole wrote:
Well, not really. He makes lots of spelling and grammar mistakes in his
other posts. He is rather sort of a mocker in Freemasonry with an
established obsession with Elvis. But, yes, he thinks he is very, very
clever.
Anyway, anytime I hear him say 'Elvis' it always makes me wonder if he
was involved in Elvis's death and it is sort of guilty projection on his
part.
>
> Carole
> http://www.conspiracee.com
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George Orwell
"Larry" <lar...@holbrookmasons.org> wrote in message news:q46dnf7M1v9K2nPe...@comcast.com...
> Carole wrote:
What do you know about Agenda 21?
If you know nothing, Agenda 21 is the superior body over world governments, freemasons, etc. run from New York UN with the intention to replace democracy under cover of ecology, women liberation, supporting homosexuals and destroying families.
Are you told in your lodge that?
I am offering you the red pill. If you choose my pill, proceed. If not, return to your world of illusion.
http://www.middletownca.com/MATRIX.htm
magic-city-news.com/printer_1213.shtml
www.middletownca.com/KONOCTIFACILITATION.htm
www.un.org/esa/agenda21/ natlinfo/countr/austral/inst.htm
www.ecologia.org/nuclearcommunities/links.htm
sydney.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=63413
bryan
> "Larry" <lar...@holbrookmasons.org> wrote in message
> news:q46dnf7M1v9K2nPe...@comcast.com...
>> Carole wrote:
>
>
> What do you know about Agenda 21?
>
> If you know nothing, Agenda 21 is the superior body over world
> governments, freemasons, etc. run from New York UN with the intention to
> replace democracy under cover of ecology, women liberation, supporting
> homosexuals and destroying families.
>
> Are you told in your lodge that?
>
> I am offering you the red pill. If you choose my pill, proceed. If
> not, return to your world of illusion.
rofl... still the same old guff :)
Jim Bennie
> On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 00:15:25 +0100, George Orwell wrote:
>> If you know nothing, Agenda 21 is the superior body over world
>> governments, freemasons, etc. run from New York UN with the intention to
>> replace democracy under cover of ecology, women liberation, supporting
>> homosexuals and destroying families.
If they're the superior body, can I get them to fix the lights in
the lodge room? One keeps blinking all the time.
>> Are you told in your lodge that?
Sorry, the lodge doesn't deal in paranoid kookery.
>> I am offering you the red pill. If you choose my pill, proceed. If
>> not, return to your world of illusion.
> rofl... still the same old guff :)
Bryan, ol' secret-boi would be a broken record if there still were
such things.
Jim Bennie
Nos. 44 & 100, Vancouver
Larry
> On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 00:15:25 +0100, George Orwell wrote:
>
> rofl... still the same old guff :)
Is he still posting? I'm calling out the black helicopters.
Gene Goldman
>>>and since freemasonry's oaths and loyalties are sworn to
>>>secrecy, and there seems to be freemasons in positions of power, people have
>>>every reason to wonder what goes on behind closed doors.
>>
>>Invalid presupposition. "since freemasonry's oaths and loyalties are
>>sworn to secrecy" - Untested, unsupported by fact and rather poor
>>grammar. Want to try again?
>
>
> Nothing wrong with my grammar. I made a typo though, but that's not
> grammar.
> I don't go for the very correct type of English what's taught in all
> proper schools.
> I go for the meaningful lingo, if you get my drift ...the type of lingo
> that the ordinary folk can understand, rather than the big words and
> complex concepts.
>
Fine. Now, want to comment on your invalid presupposition?
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Joe Steve Swick III
What I'd be looking for as an objection is where an organisation is helping
to further the interests of the global elite's new world order, and since
freemasonry's oaths and loyalties are sworn to secrecy, and there seems to
be freemasons in positions of power, people have every reason to wonder what
goes on behind closed doors.
___Geno___
Invalid presupposition. "since freemasonry's oaths and loyalties are sworn
to secrecy" - Untested, unsupported by fact and rather poor grammar. Want
to try again?
___Carole___
Not really. You can go and get all pedantic and particular abour correct
grammar if you like, its a free world.
----
Actually, his argument is about poor logic. Bad grammar is a secondary
issue.
___Carole___
You think bad grammar is a big sin? You sound like a snob.
-----
Gene and I have had our disagreements, but he's no snob. And, whatever else
you might say about him, the man who introduced me to the bliss of fish
tacos can't be all bad.
LOL.
JSW
Joe Steve Swick III
I am offering you the red pill. If you choose my pill, proceed. If not,
return to your world of illusion.
___Bryan___
rofl... still the same old guff :)
----
Yeah, more like he's offering the "k00k pill." As a modern myth, the Matrix
entirely rocks. This third-generation hand-me-down k00kified version of it
has little appeal.
JSW
Gene Goldman
>
> Actually, his argument is about poor logic. Bad grammar is a secondary
> issue.
And notice that she only addressed the grammar issue. That speaks volumes.
> ___Carole___
> You think bad grammar is a big sin? You sound like a snob.
> -----
>
> Gene and I have had our disagreements, but he's no snob. And, whatever else
> you might say about him, the man who introduced me to the bliss of fish
> tacos can't be all bad.
Fish Tacos, a bit of Heaven right here on Earth.
Internet newsgroup posting. Copyright 2005. All rights reserved.
carole
There are 33 different degrees in freemasonry, and each one is
conferred on the initiate according to how well he performs at the
level he's at.
So you wouldn't know what was expected at the higher levels until you
got there.
>
> > It stands to reason that secret societies would be a marvellous tool for the
> > global enslavers to plant ideas and get a following to serve their causes.
>
> Only if your capacity for reason is badly broken.
There is a DVD available from http://www.theinsider.org/
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The documentary was produced in the UK where modern Freemasonry began.
It features British experts and shows some of the symbols on the walls
of the United Grand Lodge building - the Headquarters of the Craft.
This your only chance to see a unique and ground-breaking independent
documentary. It has been banned in the US and UK. The mainstream TV
channels have declined to broadcast it. The British Board of Film
Classification has not categorized this film.
The experts who were caught on film are:
A senior Freemason and Masonic Press Relations Officer
Director of Masonic studies at Sheffield University
An anonymous expert from The Insider
A former BBC journalist
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Larry
news:1141079453.6...@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
> There are 33 different degrees in freemasonry, and each one is
> conferred on the initiate according to how well he performs at the
> level he's at.
> So you wouldn't know what was expected at the higher levels until you
> got there.
And only a non-Mason would know this. Right. You really should post a
C&C warning.
> The documentary was produced in the UK where modern Freemasonry began.
It's where Antient Freemasonry began.
> It features British experts and shows some of the symbols on the walls
> of the United Grand Lodge building - the Headquarters of the Craft.
In England. You forgot "in England." It is a known and documented fact
that the UGLE has no authority in any other Grand jurisdiction.
> The mainstream TV
> channels have declined to broadcast it.
Maybe they already have enough fiction.
Oh, and I thought you should know: John is a 32nd degree Mason. Before
you open your mouth and remove all doubt of your intelligence, consider
that one little tidbit.
Hugs,
Larry
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Jim Bennie
> There are 33 different degrees in freemasonry, and each one is
> conferred on the initiate according to how well he performs at the
> level he's at.
> So you wouldn't know what was expected at the higher levels until you
> got there.
Yet, in the same post, you prattle on about..
> A senior Freemason and Masonic Press Relations Officer
> Director of Masonic studies at Sheffield University
> An anonymous expert from The Insider
> A former BBC journalist
So, let me get this straight .. a Mason "wouldn't know" unless he
got there, but a "former BBC journalist" *would* know even if he
hasn't.
How does that work, pray tell?
Incidentally, there are not "33 levels" in Freemasonry. One of
the oragnisations open to Master Masons has numbered degrees
that go up to 33 (they have names as well, but they're numbered
because numbers are easier to remember).
There are other similar organisations with other degrees. The
groups are no or less important than the other, and no more
important than the three degrees of the lodge.
Each one is not necessarily conferred on the initiate. In Australia,
where you are, someone joining the Scottish Rite starts at 18. The
degrees 4 through 17 are not conferred.