photography courses in melb.
chris
I'm thinking about doing a photography course with Thomson direct (a
correspondence course). is this wise from a learning viewpoint and
from an employment viewpoint ? Would it be better to do half a dozen
TAFE courses instead ? (the cost for both would be about the same). I
see the Melb. camera club much talked about in past days (mid to late
90's) is that still advised ?
Any and all feedback much appreciated
chris
John
can recommend it highly from several viewpoints. The club has a wide range
of members with an amazing range of skills and experience. It is a
fantastic place to learn about a broad range of photographic subjects,
however, it will not directly help you to find work in the photographic
field. I do recommend joining regardless of your skill level or knowledge,
and it's very cheap to join at that. See http://www.melbournephoto.org.au/
for more info.
Regards
JJ
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Biggus
Who has the latest camera bag, and accesories, and who has more than the
other.. and they were all OLD people, 60+...
Whats the Melbourne club like? Im only 30 but would also like to join a
club, thats active...
Also thinking the TAFE course would be helpful, they arent that expensive
for short courses..
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John
types I think you are referring to (but I'm sure they are here as well)
although it does have lots of older members. I have also checked out a few
Camera Clubs before settling on the MCC and I think I know what you mean
about the huge number of retired folks in Camera clubs. I'm 37 years old and
I find It's very easy to feel like a fish out of water when everyone is 30
years older than you are!! The Melb Camera Club seems to have a much larger
number of young folks, eg 20's and older, although it probably depends on
which parts of the club you concentrate on in that there are a number of
different interest groups eg Black and White Group, Portrait Group, Digital
Group, Slide and Print Competitions. They also hold regular talks where
speakers are invited. These can attract quite a large number of members and
give you a better idea of the clubs members. In any case, it's some of the
older folks who have really got it together due to their years of
experience. The MCC is not the retirement home that some other Camera Clubs
can seems like.
Regards
JJ
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peep
Introduction to Photography Course. From the sounds of what you have
experienced in Sydney, members of the MCC are down to earth, and the ages
are more diverse. Some of the older members are some of the leading
photographers so I don't mind being amongst the seniors. In my experience,
the members of this club are very helpful and the facilities are first rate
for a club that only costs $120 per year.
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Scott Coutts
(and how much time you can spare!), you should consider RMITs courses.
They have Masters, Bachelor, Diploma, Certificate, Correspondance and
Short Courses. So that covers the full range, pretty much! I looked into
do the diploma course last year, but missed the entry date. They seem
very comprehensive, and from what I hear, they're well respected. There
is a placed work-experience program for a lot of their courses too
(obviously not for the short and correspondance courses). You can find
the course details on their web page www.rmit.edu.au
chris
but from an employment point which is better ?
or is going down to the library better ? (will this give me the same
amount of knowldge as a course could ?) do employers just want
knowledge, or qualifications or folio ? is trying to get work
experience a good idea ?
ahhh so many questions! :)
chris
Biggus
types I think you are referring to (but I'm sure they are here as well)
although it does have lots of older members. I have also checked out a few
Camera Clubs before settling on the MCC and I think I know what you mean
about the huge number of retired folks in Camera clubs. I'm 37 years old and
I find It's very easy to feel like a fish out of water when everyone is 30
years older than you are!!
exactly what I mean!!!!!
> The Melb Camera Club seems to have a much larger number of young folks, eg
20's and older, although it probably depends on which parts of the club you
concentrate on in that there are a number of different interest groups eg
Black and White Group, Portrait Group, Digital Group, Slide and Print
Competitions. They also hold regular talks where speakers are invited. These
can attract quite a large number of members and give you a better idea of
the clubs members. In any case, it's some of the older folks who have really
got it together due to their years of experience. The MCC is not the
retirement home that some other Camera Clubs can seems like.
Thanks for the good report and info.. Might look them up.
Paul Cavka
As far as the Bachelors degree, it was pretty damn hard to get in when I did
mine else where. You'll need to have a pretty impressive folio.
If you did want to do a bachelors there, and weren't accepted..........Most
universities have huge drop out rates after first year. You could go and do
first year at another school (though, I don't know if anywhere else in
Melbourne has a B/A photography course). When I did mine, there was only 3
or 4 in Australia that did B/A Photography. Most had Bachelors in fine arts,
but I couldn't see myself doing ceramics and weaving and god knows what
else, which would never be useful to a photographer.
Also, if you did want to study somewhere else for first year, I'd check to
make sure that RMIT will recognize the subjects and give you credits for
them. A couple of people that studied with me, went on to RMIT, and didn't
get a credit for about half of the subjects they'd completed. But they were
still able to enrol as second year students, but had to make up for the non
credited modules after 3rd year, and before they could get their degree. So
in effect it just took them an extra 6 months to get a degree, which was
worth it for them, as a degree from RMIT is certainly a fine feather in your
cap when out looking for higher prestige photographic work.
RMIT is pretty widely accepted as being on of the best Photography schools
in the southern Hemisphere.
I think I'll be doing my MA there.
--
Regards
Paul Cavka
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Evans
When you talk about employment, you should realise that most photographers
are self employed. You don't get a fortnightly pay cheque, there are no
regular hours, there's no holiday pay and sick leave. It is up to you to
promote yourself all the time and generate clients, etc. Are you prepared to
run your own business? Most people who have the dream of being a
photographer don't cut it when it comes to the realities of the industry,
and the responsibilities and drive it takes to run a business. It really
does take a lot more to be successful in this field than just being a good
photographer. Out of all the students who go through the various photography
courses around, including RMIT, hardly any of them end up as working
photographers when confronted with these realities. Maybe 5% make it, no
matter what they tell you when they're trying to sell you their course. This
is not their fault. It's a culling process. Hundreds apply, a small groups
gets in. When that groups finishes the course, three or four will work. Five
years later, there might be one left. The others have burned out or crossed
into other, often related fields.
If you really think you can deal with that, go for it and don't hold back.
It helps if you know what area you want to specialise in and be then be
single minded in pursuing that target. Put together the best folio you can.
Don't be tight. Photography is expensive. Accept it. Serious students
commonly spent $2000 or more putting together a slick folio to get them work
when they finish. It's an investment. It's what is going to generate your
work, along with your personality. As a general rule clients give jobs to
people they like. It doesn't matter how good your folio is, if you're an
arsehole or they just don't like you, you don't get the work.
Forget the camera club. Join an industry body such as ACMP or AIPP. They
both have websites and memebership is available for those just starting out
(ie. students and assistants). Joining one or both will be the best move you
ever make. You will be mixing with working professionals, not hobbyists. You
will have access to vast amounts of very useful knowledge and advice and all
manner of things from copyright to running a business. You will get work out
of it.
If you decide to apply for a course, one where it's not so much the $$$ that
gets you in, make sure that when you are interviewed you impress on the
selectors your absolute single minded determination, your LOVE of
photography, your passion for photography. Make sure you impress on them you
are not a dreamer. You are aware of the hard facts of the industry and are
willing to do what it takes.
Hope this helps. Good luck if you decide to do it.
Dave.
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Mr Biggus
>MCC Introduction to Photography Courses
Learn to produce pictures not snapshots.
Twice each year the Melbourne Camera Club conducts a series of
lectures, tutorials and practical sessions for people with 35mm SLR
cameras. Led by specialist photographers, these courses attract many
beginning photographers as well as those who are more experienced but
who have not had the benefit of any formal photographic training.
Each course is conducted over a six-week period. Six lectures are held
on Tuesday evenings from 7:30pm to 9:00pm and three practical sessions
are held on Sunday mornings.
The $150 course fee includes all nine sessions, comprehensive course
notes and six months provisional membership of the Melbourne Camera
Club entitling participants to attend all club activities.
Syllabus Outline, Course 1, 2003
Tuesday, February 4 - Introduction, cameras and film, basics of
exposure
Sunday, February 9 - Understanding camera controls - practical
workshop
Tuesday, February 11 - Photographic lighting
Sunday, February 16 - Photography outdoors - workshop and excursion
Tuesday, February 18 - Photographic composition
Tuesday, February 25 - Portraits and photographing people
Sunday, March 2 - Composition and portraits - workshop and excursion
10:00am start
Tuesday, March 4 - Travel photography
Tuesday, March 11 - Review of participants' photographs, discussion
and conclusion
peep
demand, however, a recommendation from a club members improves your chances
greatly.
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chris
imformative reply. I'll probalby work at getting into RMIT, but at the
moment i'll have to work to get the cash!
thanks again guys
chris