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Loftboy

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May 6, 2012, 8:56:50โ€ฏAM5/6/12
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Howdy All,

Good to see that USENET is not completely dead and that aus.moto is
still alive and kicking, albeit with fewer posts.

I used to hang around these parts mostly as a lurker, until my ISP
decided that maintaining News servers was too much trouble. When I
enquired why they were letting them go, the response was along the lines
of Roy from the IT Crowd - "I'm Sorry, are you from the past ?"

Anyway, I've finally found a free News server that carries aus.moto :-)

Seeing some of the names that have posted in the last year or so brings
back some memories. Let's see now;

- Offers of $3.50 and a kick in the nuts on anything that was for sale
- Poofter drinks
- Harsh Week
- Being helped out with advice and parts contacts (waves to BT - well
after all, it was for GPX-250 parts)
- Pondering over the honest accounts of the trials and tribulations of
some of the aus.moto inhabitants
- Reading about the shenanigans that went on at the Wintersun Rally and
Unaugural

I can honestly say that aus.moto got me enthused to get a bike and see
the countryside. I've met and ridden with many interesting people,
stayed in pubs in the middle of nowhere and camped at PI. Not to mention
taking bikes where bikes shouldn't be taken, and having a ball doing it.

Speaking of Unaugural, I really should make an effort to get along to
one. I've probably been past the venue a dozen times when riding the
back way into Goulburn.

Here's to keeping aus.moto going !


Cheers,

Dave - Bandit 1200


Diogenes

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May 6, 2012, 7:34:24โ€ฏPM5/6/12
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On Sun, 06 May 2012 22:56:50 +1000, Loftboy <loft...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Howdy All,
>
>Good to see that USENET is not completely dead and that aus.moto is
>still alive and kicking, albeit with fewer posts.
>
>I used to hang around these parts mostly as a lurker, until my ISP
>decided that maintaining News servers was too much trouble. When I
>enquired why they were letting them go, the response was along the lines
>of Roy from the IT Crowd - "I'm Sorry, are you from the past ?"
>
>Anyway, I've finally found a free News server that carries aus.moto :-)
>
>Seeing some of the names that have posted in the last year or so brings
>back some memories. Let's see now;
>
>- Offers of $3.50 and a kick in the nuts on anything that was for sale
>- Poofter drinks
>- Harsh Week
>- Being helped out with advice and parts contacts (waves to BT - well
>after all, it was for GPX-250 parts)
>- Pondering over the honest accounts of the trials and tribulations of
>some of the aus.moto inhabitants
>- Reading about the shenanigans that went on at the Wintersun Rally and
>Unaugural

The sane people, except for myself of course, have all run away
screaming. All that's left now is an online mental asylum in which
some of the deranged actually ride bikes.

>I can honestly say that aus.moto got me enthused to get a bike and see
>the countryside. I've met and ridden with many interesting people,
>stayed in pubs in the middle of nowhere and camped at PI. Not to mention
>taking bikes where bikes shouldn't be taken, and having a ball doing it.

They're still doing that, those mad bastards...

>Speaking of Unaugural, I really should make an effort to get along to
>one. I've probably been past the venue a dozen times when riding the
>back way into Goulburn.

Well, you'd better make it THIS year. I believe it'll be the last
one. They're going to call it the Disaugural...

>Here's to keeping aus.moto going !

Indeed!


=================

Onya bike

Gerry

Felicity Ho

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May 6, 2012, 11:23:09โ€ฏPM5/6/12
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On Monday, May 7, 2012 9:34:24 AM UTC+10, Diogenes wrote:
> On Sun, 06 May 2012 22:56:50 +1000, Loftboy <loft...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Howdy All,
> >
> >Good to see that USENET is not completely dead and that aus.moto is
> >still alive and kicking, albeit with fewer posts.
> >
> >I used to hang around these parts mostly as a lurker, until my ISP
> >decided that maintaining News servers was too much trouble. When I
> >enquired why they were letting them go, the response was along the lines
> >of Roy from the IT Crowd - "I'm Sorry, are you from the past ?"
> >
> >Anyway, I've finally found a free News server that carries aus.moto :-)

If Sam was still around, I think you'd get a delurking welcome dance. But now you'll just have to watch the video.... Got a vhs player handy? :D

> >Here's to keeping aus.moto going !
>
> Indeed!

I was at the Vic Black Dog Ride for Depression a couple of weekends ago. Any other aus.motians there? I ride home via Castlemaine and I seem to recall there was a Geoff Hansford (?) that used to live there? Rode a Bandit called Doolan?

Felicity

Deevo

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May 7, 2012, 8:33:25โ€ฏAM5/7/12
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"Loftboy" <loft...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:<jo5sfi$fmt$1...@dont-email.me>...
> Howdy All,
>
> Good to see that USENET is not completely dead and that aus.moto is still
> alive and kicking, albeit with fewer posts.
>
> I used to hang around these parts mostly as a lurker, until my ISP decided
> that maintaining News servers was too much trouble. When I enquired why
> they were letting them go, the response was along the lines of Roy from
> the IT Crowd - "I'm Sorry, are you from the past ?"

I am and proud of it thankl you.

> Anyway, I've finally found a free News server that carries aus.moto :-)
>
> Seeing some of the names that have posted in the last year or so brings
> back some memories. Let's see now;
>
> - Offers of $3.50 and a kick in the nuts on anything that was for sale
> - Poofter drinks

Like this one?
http://www.kontraband.com/pics/17990/Poofter-Drink/

> - Harsh Week
> - Being helped out with advice and parts contacts (waves to BT - well
> after all, it was for GPX-250 parts)
> - Pondering over the honest accounts of the trials and tribulations of
> some of the aus.moto inhabitants
> - Reading about the shenanigans that went on at the Wintersun Rally and
> Unaugural
>
> I can honestly say that aus.moto got me enthused to get a bike and see the
> countryside. I've met and ridden with many interesting people, stayed in
> pubs in the middle of nowhere and camped at PI. Not to mention taking
> bikes where bikes shouldn't be taken, and having a ball doing it.
>
> Speaking of Unaugural, I really should make an effort to get along to one.
> I've probably been past the venue a dozen times when riding the back way
> into Goulburn.
>
> Here's to keeping aus.moto going !

Absolutely. Or in the words of the great philosopher, cahn fahn.
--
Deevo

Geraldton WA


Diogenes

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May 7, 2012, 7:27:42โ€ฏPM5/7/12
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You're still intrigueing me, "Felicity". The paranoid part of me is
telling me "a game is afoot here", whilst the rational side (or what's
left of it) is saying "this person knows an awful lot about the
history of this NG."

Then again, a serious player _would_ mine the archives for material to
help create a credible story, wouldn't they? See how tricky paranoia
gets? I tell ya, it's a worry...

I'd seek help except that every time I get to know my therpaist
better, I find they s/he in the grip of some whacky theory about what
would "fix" me. And I ain't no guinea pig.

I look forward to the day a reputable member of this NG verifies your
realness.

In the meantime, let's continue to chat, eh... ;-)

=================

Onya bike

Gerry

Nigel Allen

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May 7, 2012, 7:40:23โ€ฏPM5/7/12
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Reputable? Aus-Moto?

Don't hold your breath Gerry :)

N/


Felicity Ho

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May 7, 2012, 8:37:22โ€ฏPM5/7/12
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On Tuesday, May 8, 2012 9:40:23 AM UTC+10, Nigel Allen wrote:
> On 08/05/12 09:27, Diogenes wrote:
> >
> > Then again, a serious player _would_ mine the archives for material to
> > help create a credible story, wouldn't they? See how tricky paranoia
> > gets? I tell ya, it's a worry...

You're not paranoid if people are out to get you.. ha! :D

> > I'd seek help except that every time I get to know my therpaist
> > better, I find they s/he in the grip of some whacky theory about what
> > would "fix" me. And I ain't no guinea pig.

Well, I am studying psychology.. :p

> > I look forward to the day a reputable member of this NG verifies your
> > realness.

Maybe when I graduate you can come to me for treatment.. lmao!

> Reputable? Aus-Moto?
>
> Don't hold your breath Gerry :)

LOL!

So... back to my original question. I guess Geoff doesn't frequent aus.moto anymore?

Felicity

CrazyCam

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May 8, 2012, 1:13:10โ€ฏAM5/8/12
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On 05/08/12 10:37 AM, Felicity Ho wrote:

<snip>

> So... back to my original question. I guess Geoff doesn't frequent aus.moto anymore?

I have a vague feeling that he used to make the occasional visit, up
until not too long ago.

That is assuming we are talking about Geoff-San, of the bus business.

That is a wee bit of a worry to me, nowadays.

We (as in the old timers of aus.moto) are mostly getting into fairly
advanced middle age, and, if we happen to drop off the twig, one wonders
how the rest of us would hear about it. :-|

Talk to anyone, especially an internet "expert" under about 30 y.old,
about newsgroups and their eyes just glaze over.

Having said all that, I have a feeling that I replied to Geoff fairly
recently about something, but I assume you can look at Google groups as
well as I can.

regards,
CrazyCam

CrazyCam

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May 8, 2012, 1:17:21โ€ฏAM5/8/12
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On 05/08/12 10:37 AM, Felicity Ho wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 8, 2012 9:40:23 AM UTC+10, Nigel Allen wrote:
>> On 08/05/12 09:27, Diogenes wrote:
>>>
>>> Then again, a serious player _would_ mine the archives for material to
>>> help create a credible story, wouldn't they? See how tricky paranoia
>>> gets? I tell ya, it's a worry...
>
> You're not paranoid if people are out to get you.. ha! :D

Well, actually, just because you are paranoid doesn't prove that there
isn't anyone out to get you. ;-)

> Well, I am studying psychology.. :p

Then you should know that.

regards,
CrazyCam

Diogenes

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May 8, 2012, 7:21:11โ€ฏAM5/8/12
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OK, wrong term. How about credible? Someone I can trust? There are
a few around here I would trust.

>Don't hold your breath Gerry :)

I never hold my breath in Ausmoto. :-)

=================

Onya bike

Gerry

Diogenes

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May 8, 2012, 7:25:33โ€ฏAM5/8/12
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On Mon, 7 May 2012 17:37:22 -0700 (PDT), Felicity Ho
<felicity...@gmail.com> wrote:


>> > Then again, a serious player _would_ mine the archives for material to
>> > help create a credible story, wouldn't they? See how tricky paranoia
>> > gets? I tell ya, it's a worry...
>
>You're not paranoid if people are out to get you.. ha! :D

I know... I know... :-0

>> > I'd seek help except that every time I get to know my therpaist
>> > better, I find they s/he in the grip of some whacky theory about what
>> > would "fix" me. And I ain't no guinea pig.

>Well, I am studying psychology.. :p

So am I. Oh, this is SO spooky... :-0

>> > I look forward to the day a reputable member of this NG verifies your
>> > realness.
>
>Maybe when I graduate you can come to me for treatment.. lmao!

You'll expect payment as well I suppose... :-)

=================

Onya bike

Gerry

Nigel Allen

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May 8, 2012, 9:03:00โ€ฏPM5/8/12
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On 08/05/12 21:21, Diogenes wrote:
> On Tue, 08 May 2012 09:40:23 +1000, Nigel Allen
> <d...@REMOVETHISedrs.com.au> wrote:
>
>> On 08/05/12 09:27, Diogenes wrote:
>>> On Sun, 6 May 2012 20:23:09 -0700 (PDT), Felicity Ho
<snip>
>>>
>>> You're still intrigueing me, "Felicity". The paranoid part of me is
>>> telling me "a game is afoot here", whilst the rational side (or what's
>>> left of it) is saying "this person knows an awful lot about the
>>> history of this NG."
>>>
>>> Then again, a serious player _would_ mine the archives for material to
>>> help create a credible story, wouldn't they? See how tricky paranoia
>>> gets? I tell ya, it's a worry...
>>>
>>> I'd seek help except that every time I get to know my therpaist
>>> better, I find they s/he in the grip of some whacky theory about what
>>> would "fix" me. And I ain't no guinea pig.
>>>
>>> I look forward to the day a reputable member of this NG verifies your
>>> realness.
>>>
>>
>> Reputable? Aus-Moto?
>
> OK, wrong term. How about credible? Someone I can trust? There are
> a few around here I would trust.

Cue my favourite quote from Con Air:

"Sorry boss, but there's only two men I trust. One of them's me. The
other's not you"

Unfortunately I sometimes have doubts about both of mine :(

N/


Theo Bekkers

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May 8, 2012, 9:47:17โ€ฏPM5/8/12
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I don't recall a Felicity Ho and can't find any posts from her in the
archives. Maybe she posted under a pseudonym (who would do that,
Gerry?)

It looks like Geoff Hansford last posted in Oct 2001.

Theo
Not suggesting that you trust me, or anybody. :-)


Felicity Ho

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May 8, 2012, 9:46:56โ€ฏPM5/8/12
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On Tuesday, May 8, 2012 9:25:33 PM UTC+10, Diogenes wrote:
> On Mon, 7 May 2012 17:37:22 -0700 (PDT), Felicity Ho
> <felicity...@gmail.com> wrote:
[snip]
> >Well, I am studying psychology.. :p
>
> So am I. Oh, this is SO spooky... :-0
>
> >Maybe when I graduate you can come to me for treatment.. lmao!
>
> You'll expect payment as well I suppose... :-)

Damn.. saw right through me that time... :D

Felicity

Diogenes

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May 9, 2012, 12:01:41โ€ฏAM5/9/12
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On Tue, 8 May 2012 18:46:56 -0700 (PDT), Felicity Ho
<felicity...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, May 8, 2012 9:25:33 PM UTC+10, Diogenes wrote:
>> On Mon, 7 May 2012 17:37:22 -0700 (PDT), Felicity Ho
>> <felicity...@gmail.com> wrote:
>[snip]
>> >Well, I am studying psychology.. :p
>>
>> So am I. Oh, this is SO spooky... :-0
>>
>> >Maybe when I graduate you can come to me for treatment.. lmao!
>>
>> You'll expect payment as well I suppose... :-)
>
>Damn.. saw right through me that time... :D

We live in an age where transparency is deemed to be a good thing.
=================

Onya bike

Gerry

Diogenes

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May 9, 2012, 12:12:02โ€ฏAM5/9/12
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On Wed, 09 May 2012 11:03:00 +1000, Nigel Allen
A true skeptic. Now such a person I might trust... :-)

=================

Onya bike

Gerry

Diogenes

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May 9, 2012, 12:17:01โ€ฏAM5/9/12
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On Wed, 9 May 2012 09:47:17 +0800, "Theo Bekkers"
<theo...@bigpond.com.au> wrote:

>I don't recall a Felicity Ho and can't find any posts from her in the
>archives.

I seem to recall she said that she was a lurker.

>Maybe she posted under a pseudonym (who would do that,
>Gerry?)

What's wrong with using pseudonyms in Usenet?? (Oh Ghod, here we go
again... :-)

>It looks like Geoff Hansford last posted in Oct 2001.

>Not suggesting that you trust me, or anybody. :-)

You're pretty high on my credibility/trust scale. As is Zebee and a
few others. Those from the peanut gallery however need not apply.

=================

Onya bike

Gerry

Gerhard Binder

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May 9, 2012, 6:47:43โ€ฏPM5/9/12
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On May 8, 9:27ย am, Diogenes <cy...@society.sux.ok> wrote:
> On Sun, 6 May 2012 20:23:09 -0700 (PDT),FelicityHo
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <felicity.filly...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Monday, May 7, 2012 9:34:24 AM UTC+10, Diogenes wrote:
> >> On Sun, 06 May 2012 22:56:50 +1000, Loftboy <loftbo...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >Howdy All,
>
> >> >Good to see that USENET is not completely dead and that aus.moto is
> >> >still alive and kicking, albeit with fewer posts.
>
> >> >I used to hang around these parts mostly as a lurker, until my ISP
> >> >decided that maintaining News servers was too much trouble. When I
> >> >enquired why they were letting them go, the response was along the lines
> >> >of Roy from the IT Crowd - "I'm Sorry, are you from the past ?"
>
> >> >Anyway, I've finally found a free News server that carries aus.moto :-)
>
> >If Sam was still around, I think you'd get a delurking welcome dance.
> >But now you'll just have to watch the video.... Got a vhs player handy? :D
>
> >> >Here's to keeping aus.moto going !
>
> >> Indeed!
>
> >I was at the Vic Black Dog Ride for Depression a couple of weekends ago.
> >Any other aus.motians there? I ride home via Castlemaine and I seem to
> >recall there was a Geoff Hansford (?) that used to live there? Rode a
> >Bandit called Doolan?
>
> You're still intrigueing me, "Felicity". ย The paranoid part of me is
> telling me "a game is afoot here", whilst the rational side (or what's
> left of it) is saying "this person knows an awful lot about the
> history of this NG."
>
> Then again, a serious player _would_ mine the archives for material to
> help create a credible story, wouldn't they? ย See how tricky paranoia
> gets? ย I tell ya, it's a worry...

The in-credible story of Gerry.

http://groups.google.com/group/aus.motorcycles/msg/ec2c8ac2be2030f8

=================

Onya Bike

Gerry

Felicity Ho

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May 9, 2012, 9:09:08โ€ฏPM5/9/12
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On Wednesday, May 9, 2012 2:17:01 PM UTC+10, Diogenes wrote:
> On Wed, 9 May 2012 09:47:17 +0800, "Theo Bekkers"
> <theo...@bigpond.com.au> wrote:
>
> >I don't recall a Felicity Ho and can't find any posts from her in the
> >archives.
>
> I seem to recall she said that she was a lurker.

Yup.. I should have delurked back when I would have gotten a welcome dance.

Felicity

Peter

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May 9, 2012, 11:50:12โ€ฏPM5/9/12
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You forgot stuck in second.
I have just got it!
:-)

--
:-P

Theo Bekkers

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May 10, 2012, 12:01:43โ€ฏAM5/10/12
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"Diogenes" wrote

> We live in an age where transparency is deemed to be a good thing.

Yeah, I saw through you some time ago. :-)

I'm looking to upgrade my solar power system to 2.4 KW by buying the
extra panels and hardware directly from apolloenergy.com.au. Panel
cost is down to $1.60 per watt now.
Have you done any investigation or pricing on additional panels for
your system? Know any other direct suppliers? It's difficult to search
on the net as you get swamped by installers.

I'm also looking at taking the panels off my roof and putting them on
the ground in the front yard.
Reasons-
So that I can get a better North facing (My roof faces 10ยบ East)
So that I can change the angle with the seasons to get better sun
angle. I'm at 32ยบS, my roof is at 22.5ยบ, the noon-time sun elevation
various between 81ยบ and 34ยบ at the solstices. I don't think a fixed
22.5ยบ is going to serve me best.

Cheers
Theo


Diogenes

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May 10, 2012, 1:59:27โ€ฏAM5/10/12
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On Thu, 10 May 2012 12:01:43 +0800, "Theo Bekkers"
<theo...@bigpond.com.au> wrote:

>"Diogenes" wrote
>
>> We live in an age where transparency is deemed to be a good thing.
>
>Yeah, I saw through you some time ago. :-)

>I'm looking to upgrade my solar power system to 2.4 KW by buying the
>extra panels and hardware directly from apolloenergy.com.au. Panel
>cost is down to $1.60 per watt now.
>Have you done any investigation or pricing on additional panels for
>your system?

No. About a year ago we upreaded ours system from 1KW to 2KW, but we
used the original installer, so I don't really shop around for prices.

>Know any other direct suppliers? It's difficult to search
>on the net as you get swamped by installers.

Sorry, can't help you, Theo. Have you tried forums like Whirlpool?


>I'm also looking at taking the panels off my roof and putting them on
>the ground in the front yard.
>Reasons-
>So that I can get a better North facing (My roof faces 10ยบ East)
>So that I can change the angle with the seasons to get better sun
>angle. I'm at 32ยบS, my roof is at 22.5ยบ, the noon-time sun elevation
>various between 81ยบ and 34ยบ at the solstices. I don't think a fixed
>22.5ยบ is going to serve me best.

Sounds OK. Maybe even get some sun-tracking happening?

=================

Onya bike

Gerry

Theo Bekkers

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May 10, 2012, 2:30:05โ€ฏAM5/10/12
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"Diogenes" wrote
> "Theo Bekkers" <theo...@bigpond.com.au> wrote:

>>I'm looking to upgrade my solar power system to 2.4 KW by buying the
>>extra panels and hardware directly from apolloenergy.com.au. Panel
>>cost is down to $1.60 per watt now.
>>Have you done any investigation or pricing on additional panels for
>>your system?

> No. About a year ago we upreaded ours system from 1KW to 2KW, but
> we
> used the original installer, so I don't really shop around for
> prices.

What is your average daily generation now?

>>Know any other direct suppliers? It's difficult to search
>>on the net as you get swamped by installers.

> Sorry, can't help you, Theo. Have you tried forums like Whirlpool?

I've tried a couple of forums (fora?)
http://painintheenglish.com/case/627 but not Whirlpool. Hmmm, looks
like some good stuff in there, bookmarked it for later today.

>>I'm also looking at taking the panels off my roof and putting them
>>on
>>the ground in the front yard.

> Sounds OK. Maybe even get some sun-tracking happening?

I'm building four frames of three panels each which will be tilt-able.
It looks like I only need 4 or six angles of tilt which I can leave
set for a month or two.
The frames will be mounted on stub axles set in concrete. I've got two
in now. I got an axle of an old trailer and cut it in half, then set
them in about a half ton of concrete each.
I saw a system at a country field day from SA where this guy had a
motor that just turned the axle 15ยบ every hour, with a "reset to East
at midnight" function. Much simpler and cheaper than electronic solar
tracking and can be run off a 12V battery. Unfortunately I didn't get
his details and now can't find him. He didn't show last year. I know
he came from SA.

Theo


Nev..

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May 10, 2012, 6:35:54โ€ฏAM5/10/12
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Sounds impressive. According to the pvwatts calculator, you can
probably expect about a 25% improvement in power production from a 2
axis tracking system which you're describing.

That's about an extra $300-500 per year depending on whether you're
consuming it or feeding it into the grid, so if you can do the tracking
on the cheap you should be well ahead after a short time.

If your system is tied to the grid, have you contacted the electricity
companies to ensure that there is no penalty for changing your current
system? I know in other states if you expand the size of your grid
connect PV system you have to go through the whole application process
to have it connected again, and since most (all?) states have scrapped
their generous Feed in tariffs, if you have to recontract you lose your
existing feed in tariffs and go onto the replacement schemes. This may
or may not apply in Perth. I believe the feed in tariffs there were
never that good anyway.

Nev..

George W Frost

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May 10, 2012, 7:54:41โ€ฏAM5/10/12
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"Nev.." <id...@mindless.com> wrote in message
news:mP2dnSsOsrGRBzbS...@westnet.com.au...
> On 10-05-12 16:30, Theo Bekkers wrote:
>> "Diogenes" wrote
>>> "Theo Bekkers"<theo...@bigpond.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>>> I'm looking to upgrade my solar power system to 2.4 KW by buying the
>>>> extra panels and hardware directly from apolloenergy.com.au. Panel
>>>> cost is down to $1.60 per watt now.
>
> Sounds impressive. According to the pvwatts calculator, you can probably
> expect about a 25% improvement in power production from a 2 axis tracking
> system which you're describing.
>
> That's about an extra $300-500 per year depending on whether you're
> consuming it or feeding it into the grid, so if you can do the tracking on
> the cheap you should be well ahead after a short time.
>
> If your system is tied to the grid, have you contacted the electricity
> companies to ensure that there is no penalty for changing your current
> system? I know in other states if you expand the size of your grid
> connect PV system you have to go through the whole application process to
> have it connected again, and since most (all?) states have scrapped their
> generous Feed in tariffs, if you have to recontract you lose your existing
> feed in tariffs and go onto the replacement schemes. This may or may not
> apply in Perth. I believe the feed in tariffs there were never that good
> anyway.
>
> Nev..

This taken from the Solar Power site,
It appears that Theo's system would falal in under the maximum they say
as 12 panels taking it up to 2.4 kw is definitely under the Synergy limit of
5Kw and way under Horizon limit
as Horizon state, anything over 5 Kw must be discussed with hem first
So I would say that Theo would be safe installing the extra panels

************************************************
Residential Net Feed-in Tariff Scheme participants will receive the premium
rate for 10 years. Solar power systems will be limited in size to 5kW for
Synergy customers and 10kW per phase (30kW in total) for Horizon Power
customers.



On August 1, 2011, Western Australia's feed in tariff installation quota
was reached and the program suspended for new connections. However, Synergy
and Horizon Power will continue buying excess electricity fed into the grid
from all residential solar power systems under the State Government's
Renewable Energy Buyback Scheme at 8c per kilowatt hour.


In April 2012, Horizon Power announced from from 1 July 2012, it would pay a
minimum buyback rate of 10 cents per kilowatt hour and a maximum of 50 cents
per kilowatt hour will apply to Horizon solar customers, depending on
location.



*** Note: System size must be consistent with Renewable Energy Buyback
Scheme (REBS) which is 5kW for Synergy customers and 10kW per phase (30kW in
total) for Horizon Power customers (Horizon Power customers installing
greater than 5kW must consult Horizon Power first). These are determined by
the size of the inverter.


Nev..

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Cutting and pasting stuff from websites is easy, but if you don't
understand how it works you're likely to miss the fine details. When
you connect a PV system the local distributor agrees to allow you to
connect the system size you agree to and agrees to pay you a certain
rate. Now, if you change the size of the system, and if you are going
to increase the size of the system, you have to reapply to connect to
the grid, and your old contract expires and a new agreement is made. If
you signed your connection agreement when the feed in rates were more
favourable, signing a new contract will almost certainly terminate that
agreement, and you will be transferred onto whatever new or interim feed
in tariff scheme is currently in place. Going on the brief information
I found, this might mean that you get transferred from a contract which
pays 40c/kWh to a contract which pays only 8c/kWh for excess energy fed
into the grid. This is a very significant change and could make
increasing the size of the existing system uneconomical if you're
banking on the credits.

Nev..

George W Frost

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"Nev.." <id...@mindless.com> wrote in message
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I only cut and pasted it because it was from the West Australian area
I have solar panels on my roof but only got 6 panels, I was thinking also of
upgrading to another 4 or 6 panels
I know what Victorian energy companies pay out and I have spoken to the
energy company and they have said that I can install more panels as long as
it doesn't go over 4Kw
But, with the inverter I have 2.7 Kw, 4 or 6 panels would see me out


Diogenes

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On Thu, 10 May 2012 14:30:05 +0800, "Theo Bekkers"
<theo...@bigpond.com.au> wrote:

>"Diogenes" wrote
>> "Theo Bekkers" <theo...@bigpond.com.au> wrote:
>
>>>I'm looking to upgrade my solar power system to 2.4 KW by buying the
>>>extra panels and hardware directly from apolloenergy.com.au. Panel
>>>cost is down to $1.60 per watt now.
>>>Have you done any investigation or pricing on additional panels for
>>>your system?
>
>> No. About a year ago we upreaded ours system from 1KW to 2KW, but
>> we
>> used the original installer, so I don't really shop around for
>> prices.
>
>What is your average daily generation now?

The "black box" down un the garage would have that information, but
I'd need to find the manual to figure out how to make it tell me that.

I'll get back to you on that when I've managed all that.

>>>Know any other direct suppliers? It's difficult to search
>>>on the net as you get swamped by installers.
>
>> Sorry, can't help you, Theo. Have you tried forums like Whirlpool?
>
>I've tried a couple of forums (fora?)
>http://painintheenglish.com/case/627 but not Whirlpool. Hmmm, looks
>like some good stuff in there, bookmarked it for later today.
>
>>>I'm also looking at taking the panels off my roof and putting them
>>>on
>>>the ground in the front yard.
>
>> Sounds OK. Maybe even get some sun-tracking happening?

>I'm building four frames of three panels each which will be tilt-able.
>It looks like I only need 4 or six angles of tilt which I can leave
>set for a month or two.
>The frames will be mounted on stub axles set in concrete. I've got two
>in now. I got an axle of an old trailer and cut it in half, then set
>them in about a half ton of concrete each.
>I saw a system at a country field day from SA where this guy had a
>motor that just turned the axle 15ยบ every hour, with a "reset to East
>at midnight" function. Much simpler and cheaper than electronic solar
>tracking and can be run off a 12V battery. Unfortunately I didn't get
>his details and now can't find him. He didn't show last year. I know
>he came from SA.

Google is your friend.

But what you're doing is pretty good. Much better than our fixed
panels.

=================

Onya bike

Gerry

Nev..

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May 11, 2012, 3:54:41โ€ฏAM5/11/12
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I'll just ignore that and assume that Theo understands what I'm talking
about.

Also, Theo, just out of interest, apparently building solar arrays is a
very tricky business and you can't just go and plug in panels to
inverters which is why systems need to be "designed". I don't exactly
understand how it works myself, but it's got less to do with the wattage
of the panels than it does with the output voltage of the panels, and
the record low temperature for the location. That is, although panel
wattage might be within the working range of the inverter they have the
potential to cook the inverter if the voltage exceeds it's ability due
to cloud edge effect.

Nev..

bikerbetty

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"Nev.." <id...@mindless.com> wrote in message news:BMadnU0p2tlZWDHS...@westnet.com.au...
lol, Nev - one of your apostrophes is, um, dodge-ois! ;-P (sorry - carry-over from FB)

betty

George W Frost

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"Nev.." <id...@mindless.com> wrote in message
news:BMadnU0p2tlZWDHS...@westnet.com.au...
I'll just ignore that and assume that Theo knows that you are talking
bullshit again
As you said yourself:

>I don't exactly understand how it works myself, <

All the inverters that I know of on today's market have an overload
protection system on it
Thereby, if you happen to get a higher voltage than the inverter can handle,
such as your " cloud effect" which is in fact UV rays hitting the panels
which produce the power,
then it will keep it under the maximum voltage.

Nev, it even works just the same as a speed limiter on a bike keeping this
bike related.




Theo Bekkers

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"Nev.." wrote

> If your system is tied to the grid, have you contacted the
> electricity companies to ensure that there is no penalty for
> changing your current system? I know in other states if you expand
> the size of your grid connect PV system you have to go through the
> whole application process to have it connected again, and since most
> (all?) states have scrapped their generous Feed in tariffs, if you
> have to recontract you lose your existing feed in tariffs and go
> onto the replacement schemes. This may or may not apply in Perth.
> I believe the feed in tariffs there were never that good anyway.

Perth changed their plan from 47c/unit to 7c/unit, but I stay on the
47c if I don't exceed my originally installed inverter size. I
Initially bought a supposed 1200W system which turned out to be 6 x
175W panels. My calculator says that's 1050W. I optioned for a 2400W
inverter to allow for future expansion, so now I can go to 2400 with
no penalty. If I wanted to go more than that I would have to give up
the 47c and have the whole system on the 7c plan. Turned out well.

Theo


Theo Bekkers

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May 11, 2012, 7:50:16โ€ฏAM5/11/12
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"Nev.." wrote

> I'll just ignore that and assume that Theo understands what I'm
> talking about.

A wise decision.

> Also, Theo, just out of interest, apparently building solar arrays
> is a very tricky business and you can't just go and plug in panels
> to inverters which is why systems need to be "designed".

Idiots learn to design these things in a day so I don't really think
it's rocket science, although it's in their interest to have you think
so.

> I don't exactly understand how it works myself, but it's got less to
> do with the wattage of the panels than it does with the output
> voltage of the panels, and the record low temperature for the
> location. That is, although panel wattage might be within the
> working range of the inverter they have the potential to cook the
> inverter if the voltage exceeds it's ability due to cloud edge
> effect.

Yeah, I got that.
I have a working knowledge of electrickery though my valve theory is
getting a bit shaky. I understand Electron and hole flow, Hall effect
trannies and Zeners, past transistor and switched mode power supplies,
and a few other things. I've also inspected a 12 panel system my
brother-in-law has just had installed on the very same 2400W inverter
I have.

I think I've got it covered.

Thanks for your comments.

Theo


bikerbetty

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"Theo Bekkers" <theo...@bigpond.com.au> wrote in message news:X17rr.6920$%E2....@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com...
Oooh-er *fanning self* I do love it when ppl speak Double Dutch...

betty, running away

Theo Bekkers

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May 11, 2012, 7:58:40โ€ฏAM5/11/12
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"Diogenes" wrote
> "Theo Bekkers" <theo...@bigpond.com.au> wrote:

>>What is your average daily generation now?

>The "black box" down un the garage would have that information, but
>I'd need to find the manual to figure out how to make it tell me
>that.
>
> I'll get back to you on that when I've managed all that.

Would you like to know the secret to saving at least 20% of your power
usage?

Get a notepad and rule it up.
Read your meter every morning at the same time.
Calculate your cost for that day. (I have spread-sheet going back more
than two years)
That's all you need to do to reduce your power usage.

Power cost in WA have increased by 59% in the last three years. My
bill has halved since I started monitoring my usage.
I also have an effergy display unit in my kitchen which displays my
instantaneous power usage
http://www.efergy.net.au/
Mine is the old version without the usb capability.

Theo



Theo Bekkers

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May 11, 2012, 8:07:58โ€ฏAM5/11/12
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"bikerbetty" wrote

>> I think I've got it covered.

> Oooh-er *fanning self* I do love it when ppl speak Double Dutch...

> betty, running away

So you should be. I should point out that I only speak single Dutch.

Theo



Nev..

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May 11, 2012, 9:06:22โ€ฏAM5/11/12
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"Oils aint oils", so they say.

Nev..

George W Frost

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"Theo Bekkers" <theo...@bigpond.com.au> wrote in message
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Says Theo with his split personality


Fred Kroft

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May 12, 2012, 4:38:20โ€ฏAM5/12/12
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What ever happened to Matt and Hatzolah ?

Nev..

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On 12-05-12 18:38, Fred Kroft wrote:
> What ever happened to Matt and Hatzolah ?

Smee photoshopped Hatz and turned him into Charmaine. Charmaine married
Matt and they lived happily ever after.

Nev..

Deevo

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"Fred Kroft" <fred_...@on.gov.net> wrote in message
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> What ever happened to Matt and Hatzolah ?

I think Hatz orgasmed himself to death when Ducatri won the Moto GP
championship. Apparently his hand created so much friction on his old
fellow that three fire trucks attended and had to use aircraft grade
retardent foam to prevent a new round of bushfires. And he was three miles
from the nearest tree at the time.
--
Deevo

Geraldton WA


Fraser Johnston

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On 12/05/12 4:38 PM, Fred Kroft wrote:
> What ever happened to Matt and Hatzolah ?
>
Hatz probably killed himself when Stoner went to Honda and won a world
title. : )

--

Fraser

George W Frost

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"Fraser Johnston" <fra...@cjmanagement.com.au> wrote in message
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I thought that Hatz went across to the USA?


bthu...@gmail.com

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Loftboy wrote:
> Speaking of Unaugural, I really should make an effort to get along to
> one. I've probably been past the venue a dozen times when riding the
> back way into Goulburn.

Well, you'd better get your skates on and e-mail me: it's on in 10 days weeks, and it's the last one at Funkytown. :-)


BTH

bthu...@gmail.com

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On Wednesday, May 9, 2012 2:17:01 PM UTC+10, Diogenes wrote:
> What's wrong with using pseudonyms in Usenet?? (Oh Ghod, here we go
> again... :-)

I'd never trust anyone who posted under a nom de plume.


BTH

bthu...@gmail.com

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On Thursday, May 10, 2012 4:30:05 PM UTC+10, Theo Bekkers wrote:
> I'm building four frames of three panels each which will be tilt-able.
> It looks like I only need 4 or six angles of tilt which I can leave
> set for a month or two.
> The frames will be mounted on stub axles set in concrete. I've got two
> in now. I got an axle of an old trailer and cut it in half, then set
> them in about a half ton of concrete each.
> I saw a system at a country field day from SA where this guy had a
> motor that just turned the axle 15ยบ every hour, with a "reset to East
> at midnight" function. Much simpler and cheaper than electronic solar
> tracking and can be run off a 12V battery. Unfortunately I didn't get
> his details and now can't find him. He didn't show last year. I know
> he came from SA.

You might find some good data fromt he archives at Home Power Magazine. They used to be very DIY-oriented in the early days, and I think you can still buy early issues in PDF format.

homepower.com/

I had my panels at Funkytown set up facing due North with an adjustable angle of elevation, but I didn't see much difference in the output when I changed the angle. I still changed it between "winter" and "summer" setting at the equinoxes, just because I'd gone to the effort of building the frames (and because I'd paid $4800 for 560W of panels).


BTH

Diogenes

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May 16, 2012, 7:51:31โ€ฏAM5/16/12
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Just as well I'm not asking you to trust me.

=================

Onya bike

Gerry

bthu...@gmail.com

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Diogenes wrote:
> On Wed, 16 May 2012 03:21:51 -0700 (PDT), bthu...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >On Wednesday, May 9, 2012 2:17:01 PM UTC+10, Diogenes wrote:
>
> >> What's wrong with using pseudonyms in Usenet?? (Oh Ghod, here we go
> >> again... :-)
>
> >I'd never trust anyone who posted under a nom de plume.
>
> Just as well I'm not asking you to trust me.

It's possible that you didn't hear that whooshing noise...


BTH

atec77

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May 17, 2012, 4:21:03โ€ฏAM5/17/12
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Sorta like some big plumes faffing by ?

--









X-No-Archive: Yes

Diogenes

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Almost anything is possible...

BTW, BTHumble, I hope your bonfire night goes well.


=================

Onya bike

Gerry

bthu...@gmail.com

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Diogenes wrote:
> BTW, BTHumble, I hope your bonfire night goes well.

Thank you. I spent today spreading 3 tonnes of gravel over the boggiest parts of the driveway, and most of the preparations are now complete. Things are looking pretty good.


BTH

Loftboy

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On 16/05/2012 8:17 PM, bthu...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Well, you'd better get your skates on and e-mail me: it's on in 10 days weeks, and it's the last one at Funkytown. :-)
>
>
> BTH

Alas it looks like I now have some commitments that weekend :-(

Bugger...............

Theo Bekkers

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BTH wrote

> You might find some good data fromt he archives at Home Power
> Magazine. They used to be very DIY-oriented in the early days, and
> I think you can still buy early issues in PDF format.

> homepower.com/

> I had my panels at Funkytown set up facing due North with an
> adjustable angle of elevation, but I didn't see much difference in
> the output when I changed the angle. I still changed it between
> "winter" and "summer" setting at the equinoxes, just because I'd
> gone to the effort of building the frames (and because I'd paid
> $4800 for 560W of panels).

I'll let you know how I get on.

$4800 for 560W? Jesus! Must have been a long time ago.

Theo


bthu...@gmail.com

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May 24, 2012, 7:50:15โ€ฏAM5/24/12
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Doesn't seem that long, but it was 2003.


BTH

azi

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The GPz900R is still a classic.


On Sunday, May 6, 2012 10:56:50 PM UTC+10, Loftboy wrote:
> Howdy All,
>
> Good to see that USENET is not completely dead and that aus.moto is
> still alive and kicking, albeit with fewer posts.
>
> I used to hang around these parts mostly as a lurker, until my ISP
> decided that maintaining News servers was too much trouble. When I
> enquired why they were letting them go, the response was along the lines
> of Roy from the IT Crowd - "I'm Sorry, are you from the past ?"
>
> Anyway, I've finally found a free News server that carries aus.moto :-)
>
> Seeing some of the names that have posted in the last year or so brings
> back some memories. Let's see now;
>
> - Offers of $3.50 and a kick in the nuts on anything that was for sale
> - Poofter drinks
> - Harsh Week
> - Being helped out with advice and parts contacts (waves to BT - well
> after all, it was for GPX-250 parts)
> - Pondering over the honest accounts of the trials and tribulations of
> some of the aus.moto inhabitants
> - Reading about the shenanigans that went on at the Wintersun Rally and
> Unaugural
>
> I can honestly say that aus.moto got me enthused to get a bike and see
> the countryside. I've met and ridden with many interesting people,
> stayed in pubs in the middle of nowhere and camped at PI. Not to mention
> taking bikes where bikes shouldn't be taken, and having a ball doing it.
>
> Speaking of Unaugural, I really should make an effort to get along to
> one. I've probably been past the venue a dozen times when riding the
> back way into Goulburn.
>
> Here's to keeping aus.moto going !
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave - Bandit 1200

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