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Rob

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Jul 25, 2001, 5:49:56 AM7/25/01
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Been riding a couple of demos lately as I am interested to buy a new bike
soon .Was a bit dismayed when I had to sign a form stating that in case of
an accident that I would be liable for $1000,00 to cover there insurance
stuff.Don't think they do this for car demos is this the usual practice or
is it just in my area Coffs Harbour.
Rob

Ps shame you cant do this when selling your own bike privately or other wise


ChrisVFR

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Jul 25, 2001, 6:01:27 AM7/25/01
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Rob <mans...@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
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> Been riding a couple of demos lately as I am interested to buy a new bike
> soon .Was a bit dismayed when I had to sign a form stating that in case of
> an accident that I would be liable for $1000,00 to cover there insurance
> stuff.Don't think they do this for car demos is this the usual practice or
> is it just in my area Coffs Harbour.
> Rob

Normal- when I rode the YB-11, it was $3k........


>
> Ps shame you cant do this when selling your own bike privately or other
wise

I can't see why not?


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Burnie M

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Jul 25, 2001, 6:28:39 AM7/25/01
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Sydney City has a $1500 and Action $2000 excess.
Its the only way they can get cover for somebody walking in off the
street.

glitch1

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Jul 25, 2001, 7:09:59 AM7/25/01
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I've seen an Aprilia RS250 after a Test-flight with $7500 damage last year
at A1 M'cycles, No cover, the dealer took all of it since the pilot proved
to be totally insolvent ( but held a licence).
I can understand the dealers, no probs...
What gets me though, if one of the sales guys rides along on another bike
playing nanny like at Peter Stevens Ringwood.
Cheers
Pete


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Nick Andrew

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Jul 25, 2001, 7:24:36 AM7/25/01
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"Rob" <mans...@ozemail.com.au> writes:

>Been riding a couple of demos lately as I am interested to buy a new bike
>soon .Was a bit dismayed when I had to sign a form stating that in case of
>an accident that I would be liable for $1000,00 to cover there insurance
>stuff.

I suppose that's how much their excess is. If I was a dealer I wouldn't
want to be out of pocket if a test ride broke the bike.

>Ps shame you cant do this when selling your own bike privately or other wise

You can if you want. Seems like a good idea to me.

Nick.
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Smee

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Jul 25, 2001, 8:49:49 AM7/25/01
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I heard that you are actually not obliged to pay the excess if u do bin
the bike under law.
George? Is this true?

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Burnie M

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Jul 25, 2001, 5:34:51 PM7/25/01
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Do you have to pay the excess? Probably not.
However you are liable to make good the (full) damage to the owner (or
he/she can sue you) so paying the excess seems like the cheapest
option.
By the way, if he sues you to recover and it was not your fault then
it is up to you to sue the party at fault (ie the owner only has to
recover from you).

Cheers,
Burnie M

Dark Clown

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Jul 25, 2001, 9:12:28 PM7/25/01
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I took out an Aprillia RS250 road registered race bike for a demo ride. This
was with Action in Melbourne and the ex was 2k. There was a guy waiting
after me for a test ride as well. He binned the bike, did some major damage
and it turned out his licence was suspended. It took them months to get the
bike repaired and back on the showroom floor. They even left the carbon
fibre pipes scratched up because it would have cost to much to replace.

I suppose the chance of a bike getting into an accident is much higher than
a car. I know I would be shitting myself if someone rode in on a 250 and
test rode a 1000.

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Intact Kneeslider

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Jul 25, 2001, 11:36:49 PM7/25/01
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Smee <nickNOTH...@ihug.com.au> wrote:

> I heard that you are actually not obliged to pay
> the excess if u do bin the bike under law.

That's true...

...also, did you know that if you get a fine, and you pay by a cheque
for $5 more than the amnount of the fine, cops have to send you a
return cheque for the $5 difference? Then, If you don't cash that
cheque in, you don't lose the points off your license...


> Nick Andrew wrote:

>> If I was a dealer I wouldn't want to be out of
>> pocket if a test ride broke the bike.

Happened at Action Wenthworth Ave a few weeks back...

...a friend of one of the sales gibbons walks in. Wants a go of an R1.
No probs, except he's on his L's. His gibbon friend vouches for him,
gets him the keys after some heated negotiation. He hops on, starts
the bike up out the front of the shop and goes to turn right, to head
up the hill towards Oxford St. He lets go of the clutch...

...need I continue?



>> Ps shame you cant do this when selling your
>> own bike privately or other wise

That's where the "you bin it, you own it" rule comes into it, as
ratified by both the United Nations *and* Greenpeace... stands up in
any court on earth...

Frank_N_Furter

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Jul 26, 2001, 1:26:28 AM7/26/01
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> ...also, did you know that if you get a fine, and you pay by a cheque
> for $5 more than the amnount of the fine, cops have to send you a
> return cheque for the $5 difference? Then, If you don't cash that
> cheque in, you don't lose the points off your license...
>

that's total bollocks... tried it twice and i've never got a cheque back...
just cost me an extra $10.

Frank

Mike OConnor

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Jul 26, 2001, 1:43:07 AM7/26/01
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Frank_N_Furter wrote:
>
> > ...also, did you know that if you get a fine, and you pay by a cheque
> > for $5 more than the amnount of the fine, cops have to send you a
> > return cheque for the $5 difference? Then, If you don't cash that
> > cheque in, you don't lose the points off your license...
> >
>
> that's total bollocks... tried it twice and i've never got a cheque back...
> just cost me an extra $10.
>
> Frank
Well done Intactus, you hooked a big'un, even with that smelly old bit
of bait.

Mike
R100RS

glimmer

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Jul 26, 2001, 2:10:16 AM7/26/01
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That's the base standard for the auto industry.... $1,000-$1,500 excess set
by the dealership's insurers, same applies to the salespeople except that
most cases the dealer foots the bill. Ultimately then it's the insurer that
will come gunning for you in most cases unless the dealer wants to keep
their record clean....

Greg

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Frank_N_Furter

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Jul 26, 2001, 4:27:48 AM7/26/01
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not funny... i was trying to inform the rest of the readers that it doesn't
work...

Frank


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Doug Cox

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Jul 26, 2001, 4:50:31 AM7/26/01
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"Intact Kneeslider" <intact.k...@start.com.au> wrote in message

> ...also, did you know that if you get a fine, and you pay by a cheque
> for $5 more than the amnount of the fine, cops have to send you a
> return cheque for the $5 difference? Then, If you don't cash that
> cheque in, you don't lose the points off your license...

Old wives tale/Urban legend.

Doug Cox
Work to ride, Ride to work...
Doug...@Bigpond.com
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Intact Kneeslider

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Jul 26, 2001, 6:28:56 AM7/26/01
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Mike OConnor <mike.o...@vu.edu.au> wrote:

> Frank_N_Furter wrote:

> > >did you know that if you get a fine, and you pay by a cheque

> > > for $5 more than the amount of the fine, cops have to send you a


> > > return cheque for the $5 difference? Then, If you don't cash that
> > > cheque in, you don't lose the points off your license...


> > that's total bollocks... tried it twice and i've never got a cheque back...
> > just cost me an extra $10.

> Well done Intactus, you hooked a big'un,
> even with that smelly old bit of bait.

I don't know... I'd like to give Da Conn a bit more credit than
that... then again, I've seen his choice of line through Turn 1 at
EC... :)

Nev..

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Jul 25, 2001, 4:58:02 PM7/25/01
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Cars don't have the same bad habits as bikes. You know...the type where you're
just driving along carefully minding your own business and the car decides to
lie down in the middle of the road. Generally speaking motorcycle accidents are
more likely to be single vehicle accident (no-one to sue for the damage) than a
car accident and in a multi vehicle accident there is still 50% chance that
accident was someone elses fault (someone to sue for the damage). Also when you
test drive a car they will come along for the ride with you and if they don't
like the way you drive they will kick you out of the drivers seat. Bike dealers
don't have this luxury of monitoring riders attitude and skill.

I bought my current bike last December and rode about six or seven 2nd hand
bikes from shops around Melbourne. Only one of these shops had a "legal
document" which I was required to sign which stated the cost I would be liable
for in case of an accident. The others only copied down details from my license
or held onto it. Partly to ensure that I would bring the bike back but mostly
so they had a name and address to send any speed/red light camera fines to. Red
Wing Honda let me take a bike out but the guy from the shop came along for the
ride on his bike and I was instructed to follow him on a lap of some of the
twistier roads in Heidelberg. He even had a drag against me up the new section
of Bell street without complaint from him when we returned to the shop.

Nev..

Mike OConnor

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Jul 26, 2001, 8:07:37 PM7/26/01
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On the Contrary, my dear Frank, It is funny if you consider that the
idea has been debunked as an urban on numerous occasions in this forum,
and the intact one put it up (I assume) as an ironic riposte to the
suggestion that one need not pay for the damage one causes to a bike if
it belongs to a retailer.

Then you responded, in all seriousness to tell us it is not true. (Funny
part #1: the irony went straight over your head.)
You know this because you tried it and it didn't work. (Funny par #2:
You actually tried it!)
You tried it twice. (Funny part #3: you tried it a second time!)

This is what some would call "hook, line and sinker" (hence my reference
to the smelly bait used by Intactus).

I can understand how you might not be able at this stage in your
development to see the funny side of these things, but perhaps, in the
fullness of time, after due consideration, with the onset of maturity,
they might give you cause to emit a little chuckle and think kindly of
the one who, while taking the piss, meant you no harm.

Hang in there.

Mike
R100RS

Frank_N_Furter

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Jul 27, 2001, 1:25:09 AM7/27/01
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ok... being new here, i didn't realise that it had been discussed many
times... what can i say??? lol??? will that do?

Frank


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Martin Taylor

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Jul 28, 2001, 7:27:10 PM7/28/01
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Doug Cox said......

> ...also, did you know that if you get a fine, and you pay by a cheque
> for $5 more than the amnount of the fine, cops have to send you a
> return cheque for the $5 difference? Then, If you don't cash that
> cheque in, you don't lose the points off your license...

DC> Old wives tale/Urban legend.

And see what happens if you pay part of the bill using Bpay and
netbanking. I did this recently with a fine that the missus incurred. I
paid half of the bill. A few days later, the traffic camera office sent
me a letter saying that it could not accept part payments and that the
payment already received was on hold until the final outstanding amount
was paid up. The following pay, I sent off another $40 (had about $40
owing at this point). Yet another letter was sent out. Similar thing.

Didn't try the overpayment method as has been described here once or
twice before.

Then they have these things called "maxi kiosks" that allow you to pay
government charges (rates, parking fines, etc.). When you go to pay a
parking fine, as I did recently, there is no option for part payment.
You enter your Visa number and expiry and bingo, full, payment, thanks.


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