Re: Schapelle Corby's P-R-I-O-R record re drugs
AussieSeek dot com dot au
This is a newsgroup about radio so what you are doing here I dont know
We have enough trolls and stalkers and just plain idiots here already
so just piss off
Get your facts straight
Pot is not weed
Corby was sentenced yesterday to 20 years in prison and fined $13,875
for smuggling 4.1 kilograms of marijuana into Bali.
And it may have been planted on her in her luggage
Wake up
AussieSeek dot com dot au
jg
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> Schapelle Corby is an Australian woman just convicted of trafficking a
> large quantity (4 kgs +) of processed heroin into Indonesia.
> http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200505/s1378668.htm
> Showing remarkable clemency and leniency that would not have been granted
> had this Corby been other than a white woman from a country that provides
> the region with most of its tourists (and also most of its tourist-caused
> crimes, including murders, rapes, assaults and thefts), the court did not
> pass the death sentence that Indonesia's laws rightly specify for
convicted
> drug-dealers and drug-traffickers.
To be fair to the judges, it's hard to see how they could let her off on the
face of the evidence. The complaint is more about evidence gathering and the
apparent absurdity of transporting drugs the wrong way, which is a bit hard
to allow for in any law. Also their shitty jails and draconian sentencing
compared with ours. As Downer said, the fed gov. is involved in many similar
cases and it's wrong to assume they did don't do all they can, why not the
same interest in the others? She's possibly unlucky to have the only looks
in the family... she might have stood a better chance of getting out (one
way or another) without all the attention.
GooDa
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> Schapelle Corby is an Australian woman just convicted of trafficking a
> large quantity (4 kgs +) of processed heroin into Indonesia.
You should get your facts right. You have already have it wrong. It was
Marijuana, not Heroin.......big difference you goose
> http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200505/s1378668.htm
> Showing remarkable clemency and leniency
Are you talking of the Abu Bakar Bashir case for the 200 he was responsible
for slaughtering? I agree.
> that would not have been granted
> had this Corby been other than a white woman from a country that provides
> the region with most of its tourists (and also most of its tourist-caused
> crimes, including murders, rapes, assaults and thefts),
Provide some facts to back up your claims. Your idea of proof is just as
weak as your judicional system's.
> the court did not
> pass the death sentence that Indonesia's laws rightly specify for
convicted
> drug-dealers and drug-traffickers.
Really? Explain then why Aussie tourists are always offered drugs for sale
by locals. How come they are so prominent if the law does it's job so
effectively?
> Predictably, the clueless media pack and do-gooder "we're white Ozzies and
> so we can do whatever we bloody well want anywhere in the world, whatever
> the other country's law says - just like the yanks do" are up in arms
> screaming about the injustice of it all.
Well the case was a farce. What judge in a civilised modern society would
show such disrepect to his position and sit there reading a book and taking
a nap (!) during a statement being made by someone on trial? When there is
injustice we shall let you know what it is and thats it.
> But the hacks and usenet fookwits should have done just a little bit of
> research before shrieking complaints about the Australian government's
> failure to champion Schapelle Corby's cause.
Well the Australian Govt should be doing more. No more aid and we should
boycott all your goods. In the tourist area then, the lack of tourists
should give your population a lot more time on their hands which will give
you time to work on getting your infrastructure up to 19th century
standards. Then, go and reexamine the case, our behaviour and reaction and
then repost your opinions.
> Because Schapelle's prior record re drugs back home in Oz lends the
> strident claims of innocence emanating from her obnoxious, abusive
> trailer-trash family a different perspective.. explaining the silence from
> Canberra.
Facts to back up your claims please...............................
> But I am not surprised the Aussie trash did not even think of checking.
You mean we should take an example from Indonesia investigative and evidence
gathering techniques?
So I guess we should stop providing fingerprint evidence, that seems like
one of those useless wastes of time, stop any video recordings when
smugglers are caught, that too seems to be irrelevant evidence to make sure
you have too. Hmmm.........dunno if you should use this case as an example
of Indonesian Police, Customs and Justice departments, do you?
> They know they are right already, just like when they and their immediate
> ancestors were busy committing genocide against the aborogines as god told
> them to.
> Schapelle's pig-ugly mother should be jailed too, for contempt of court
> -she called at least one of the judges a "liar" when the sentence was
read,
No she said "You took the words of a liar" meaning the Customs Officer NOT
the judge.
Again, I would recommend you get your facts straight before you post. Helps
avoid you looking like a fool like you have this time around. Learn from
your experience, you'll get better, i'm sure the same advise applies for
your justice system.
> and screamed that it was not her precious daughter but their people 'what
> done it'. Twenty years would do nicely for her.
So how much should Abu Bakar Bashir get for the Bali bombing? There 200
dead. How many lives would 4.1kg (irrespective of who's it is) kill?
> Whatever Schapelle gets is mild compared to what she deserves.
And what should you get for your post with many incorrect facts and your
attacks without basis? Hey, you are assaulting people according to
Australian law so that means you should respect any verdict handed down if
found guilty huh? I have the email as evidence and the Internet doesn't save
you because there are now laws here covering that. So do you respect the
law? What if the sentence for that (which you may find ridiculous and
overboard) here was severe. Would you expect Indonesians to stand by and let
it happen?
Do they sell alcohol in Bali? Well if you do your research then you will
find debate at 50% / 50% as to whether alcohol or marijuana is more damaging
to the health and the community. So do you think a balanced sentence for
someone selling liquer should be the death penalty?
>
> -The New Zealander.
My backside.........Facts to back up claims
please...............................
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>
>
>
> Where the real news can be read:
> http://www.balinews.org/corby-new.html
>
HERC777
vodka!
Herc
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.....mega bullshit snipped.....
Rod Speed
"jg" <j...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Nomen Nescio" <nob...@dizum.com> wrote in message
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>> Schapelle Corby is an Australian woman just convicted of trafficking a
>> large quantity (4 kgs +) of processed heroin into Indonesia.
>> http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200505/s1378668.htm
>> Showing remarkable clemency and leniency that would not have been granted
>> had this Corby been other than a white woman from a country that provides
>> the region with most of its tourists (and also most of its tourist-caused
>> crimes, including murders, rapes, assaults and thefts), the court did not
>> pass the death sentence that Indonesia's laws rightly specify for
> convicted
>> drug-dealers and drug-traffickers.
> To be fair to the judges, it's hard to see how
> they could let her off on the face of the evidence.
Indeed, and if the situation was reversed, an indonesian woman and
our court, there would have been the same result, with a lesser sentance.
> The complaint is more about evidence gathering
Nope, not if you consider what would have happened with an
indonesian woman who claimed when caught with drugs at
one of our airports, that someone must have put it in her bag.
> and the apparent absurdity of transporting drugs the wrong way,
Nothing absurd about it, much higher quality pot than you can get there.
> which is a bit hard to allow for in any law. Also their shitty jails
Its a third world country, stupid.
> and draconian sentencing compared with ours.
She should have got the death penalty.
> As Downer said, the fed gov. is involved in many similar cases
Every one of which involves the terminally stupid trafficking in drugs.
> and it's wrong to assume they did don't do all they can, why not
> the same interest in the others? She's possibly unlucky to have
> the only looks in the family... she might have stood a better chance
> of getting out (one way or another) without all the attention.
Wrong. She's still have got convicted, just like all other
others rotting in foreign jails did, and deserved to be.
Our govt should let them rot.
pharro
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>
Is a silly old coot who spent a lot of time weakly picking apart an argument
with the first premise and assumption that the OP was written by an
Indonesian. Didn't the sig at the bottom give you some indication?
pharro
Swampfox
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> "jg" <j...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Nomen Nescio" <nob...@dizum.com> wrote in message
>> news:6d5f9c198fa21d58...@dizum.com...
>>> Schapelle Corby is an Australian woman just convicted of trafficking a
>>> large quantity (4 kgs +) of processed heroin into Indonesia.
>>> http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200505/s1378668.htm
>>> Showing remarkable clemency and leniency that would not have been
>>> granted
>>> had this Corby been other than a white woman from a country that
>>> provides
>>> the region with most of its tourists (and also most of its
>>> tourist-caused
>>> crimes, including murders, rapes, assaults and thefts), the court did
>>> not
>>> pass the death sentence that Indonesia's laws rightly specify for
>> convicted
>>> drug-dealers and drug-traffickers.
>
>> To be fair to the judges, it's hard to see how
>> they could let her off on the face of the evidence.
>
> Indeed, and if the situation was reversed, an indonesian woman and
> our court, there would have been the same result, with a lesser sentance.
Not necessarily.
Jimmy Krakouer got 20 years for his first drug offence for a relatively
small amount of speed.
And he didn't import it, which usually carries a tougher sentence.
>
>> The complaint is more about evidence gathering
>
> Nope, not if you consider what would have happened with an
> indonesian woman who claimed when caught with drugs at
> one of our airports, that someone must have put it in her bag.
>
>> and the apparent absurdity of transporting drugs the wrong way,
>
> Nothing absurd about it, much higher quality pot than you can get there.
Not true unless things have changed dramatically in the last 20 years.
Sumatran grass was always some of the best around, and much better than the
Aussie stuff.
The only plausible explanation I've heard is that the large number of
Europeans in Indonesia would rather buy there smoke from a fellow European
as they fear the locals could be a setup.
So an organised distribution network has developed to service the tourists
and non-native locals, with the dope being largely imported.
Mind you I have no evidence to support this premise but it does make some
sense.
>
>> which is a bit hard to allow for in any law. Also their shitty jails
>
> Its a third world country, stupid.
>
>> and draconian sentencing compared with ours.
As I've said, not necessarily.
What would you expect someone intercepted at Sydney airport with 4kg of top
quality grass to get?
It would be a fair stretch I'd imagine, and certainly not less than ten
years.
Eunometic
Rod Speed wrote:
> "jg" <j...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > "Nomen Nescio" <nob...@dizum.com> wrote in message
> > news:6d5f9c198fa21d58...@dizum.com...
> >> Schapelle Corby is an Australian woman just convicted of trafficking a
> >> large quantity (4 kgs +) of processed heroin into Indonesia.
> >> http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200505/s1378668.htm
> >> Showing remarkable clemency and leniency that would not have been granted
> >> had this Corby been other than a white woman from a country that provides
> >> the region with most of its tourists (and also most of its tourist-caused
> >> crimes, including murders, rapes, assaults and thefts), the court did not
> >> pass the death sentence that Indonesia's laws rightly specify for
> > convicted
> >> drug-dealers and drug-traffickers.
>
> > To be fair to the judges, it's hard to see how
> > they could let her off on the face of the evidence.
>
> Indeed, and if the situation was reversed, an indonesian woman and
> our court, there would have been the same result, with a lesser sentance.
Possibly not. In Australia we probably would have had video-audio of
the customs interaction with schappelle and thus resolved the confusion
over the poor english the Indonesian instructed Schappelle with.
In Australia we probably wouldn't have fucked up the finger print
evidence on the bag of hash by handling for days without finger
printing it. Her prints weren't on it.
And if Schappelle had of been able to gather the check in baggage
weight of her bags she could have cleared he name but that data was
destroyed.
I once got on the wrong train (an XPT) and got in trouble from some
officious mumbling state rail employeed because she mumbled something I
misunderstood and I was tired after travelling. I can see how she
misunderstood some mumbing Indonesian with poor english, its a dead
certainty that her requests for clarrification or were described as
'hesitiency'.
Given the severity of penalties for drug smuggling you would think both
the Australian and Indonesian governments would put great effort into
providing ways of not only detecting the guilty but clearing and
portecting the innocent who may have been set up.
Airport security is a joke, I've worked there, luggage handlers have
been islamic-jihaadist and coke smugglers.
>
> > The complaint is more about evidence gathering
>
> Nope, not if you consider what would have happened with an
> indonesian woman who claimed when caught with drugs at
> one of our airports, that someone must have put it in her bag.
Possibly. It's not beyond a reasonable doubt to me. People have come
forward and claimed that this has happened to them. Usually if they
get away with it by luck they say nothing for obvious reaons.
Mr.T
"HERC777" <her...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> 50 years ago Americans got 20 years jail for carrying 4 litres of
> vodka!
Seems reasonable :-)
MrT.
Rod Speed
Swampfox <gro...@pochta.ru> wrote in message
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> Rod Speed <rod_...@yahoo.com> wrote
>> jg <j...@nospam.com> wrote
>>> Nomen Nescio <nob...@dizum.com> wrote
>>>> Schapelle Corby is an Australian woman just convicted of trafficking a
>>>> large quantity (4 kgs +) of processed heroin into Indonesia.
>>>> http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200505/s1378668.htm
>>>> Showing remarkable clemency and leniency that would not have been granted
>>>> had this Corby been other than a white woman from a country that provides
>>>> the region with most of its tourists (and also most of its tourist-caused
>>>> crimes, including murders, rapes, assaults and thefts), the court did not
>>>> pass the death sentence that Indonesia's laws rightly specify for
>>> convicted
>>>> drug-dealers and drug-traffickers.
>>
>>> To be fair to the judges, it's hard to see how
>>> they could let her off on the face of the evidence.
>>
>> Indeed, and if the situation was reversed, an indonesian woman and
>> our court, there would have been the same result, with a lesser sentance.
> Not necessarily.
Fraid so.
> Jimmy Krakouer got 20 years for his first drug offence for a relatively small
> amount of speed.
Different drug. Bet you cant name a single individual who has got
20 years for having 4KG of marihuana found in their possession.
> And he didn't import it, which usually carries a tougher sentence.
Bullshit with marihuana.
>>> The complaint is more about evidence gathering
>> Nope, not if you consider what would have happened with an
>> indonesian woman who claimed when caught with drugs at
>> one of our airports, that someone must have put it in her bag.
>>> and the apparent absurdity of transporting drugs the wrong way,
>> Nothing absurd about it, much higher quality pot than you can get there.
> Not true unless things have changed dramatically in the last 20 years.
They have.
> Sumatran grass was always some of the best around, and much better than the
> Aussie stuff.
Not anymore with whats buyable in Bali.
> The only plausible explanation I've heard is that the large number of
> Europeans in Indonesia would rather buy there smoke from a fellow European as
> they fear the locals could be a setup.
Yep, and her sister lives there.
> So an organised distribution network has developed to service the tourists and
> non-native locals, with the dope being largely imported. Mind you I have no
> evidence to support this premise but it does make some sense.
Corse it does.
And its likely some silly cow like that expected that she wouldnt be
searched for drugs when leaving Aust and entering Indonesia too.
>>> which is a bit hard to allow for in any law. Also their shitty jails
>> Its a third world country, stupid.
>>> and draconian sentencing compared with ours.
> As I've said, not necessarily.
As I've said, you're wrong.
> What would you expect someone intercepted at Sydney airport with 4kg of top
> quality grass to get?
Nothing like 20 years. You wont necessarily
get that even with say heroin or cocaine.
> It would be a fair stretch I'd imagine, and certainly not less than ten years.
You're wrong with marihuana.
Rod Speed
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>
> Rod Speed wrote:
>> "jg" <j...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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>> >
>> > "Nomen Nescio" <nob...@dizum.com> wrote in message
>> > news:6d5f9c198fa21d58...@dizum.com...
>> >> Schapelle Corby is an Australian woman just convicted of trafficking a
>> >> large quantity (4 kgs +) of processed heroin into Indonesia.
>> >> http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200505/s1378668.htm
>> >> Showing remarkable clemency and leniency that would not have been granted
>> >> had this Corby been other than a white woman from a country that provides
>> >> the region with most of its tourists (and also most of its tourist-caused
>> >> crimes, including murders, rapes, assaults and thefts), the court did not
>> >> pass the death sentence that Indonesia's laws rightly specify for
>> > convicted
>> >> drug-dealers and drug-traffickers.
>>
>> > To be fair to the judges, it's hard to see how
>> > they could let her off on the face of the evidence.
>>
>> Indeed, and if the situation was reversed, an indonesian woman and
>> our court, there would have been the same result, with a lesser sentance.
> Possibly not.
Corse they would.
> In Australia we probably would have had video-audio
> of the customs interaction with schappelle
Wrong, all baggage inspection isnt on tape.
> and thus resolved the confusion over the poor
> english the Indonesian instructed Schappelle with.
Bullshit if the indonesian woman spoke
english badly as corby speaks indonesian.
> In Australia we probably wouldn't have fucked up the
> finger print evidence on the bag of hash by handling
> for days without finger printing it. Her prints weren't on it.
Irrelevant. Anyone with a clue wouldnt leave their fingerprints
on it so they could deny having ever touched it.
> And if Schappelle had of been able to gather the check in
> baggage weight of her bags she could have cleared he name
That assumes she didnt put the marihuana in the bag.
> but that data was destroyed.
Wouldnt prove anything anyway when they had access to the
bags before they were inspected, just like happens here.
> I once got on the wrong train (an XPT) and got in trouble from
> some officious mumbling state rail employeed because she
> mumbled something I misunderstood and I was tired after
> travelling. I can see how she misunderstood some mumbing
> Indonesian with poor english, its a dead certainty that her
> requests for clarrification or were described as 'hesitiency'.
Mindless stuff. The inspector said very unambigously
that she didnt want him to look in the bag proper.
> Given the severity of penalties for drug smuggling you would think
> both the Australian and Indonesian governments would put great
> effort into providing ways of not only detecting the guilty but
> clearing and portecting the innocent who may have been set up.
We dont do that here.
> Airport security is a joke, I've worked there, luggage
> handlers have been islamic-jihaadist and coke smugglers.
Why would they bother to move marihuana around
that way inside this country when they can just post
it or courier it and never have it checked at all etc ?
The baggage handler line is utterly fanciful.
>>> The complaint is more about evidence gathering
>> Nope, not if you consider what would have happened with an
>> indonesian woman who claimed when caught with drugs at
>> one of our airports, that someone must have put it in her bag.
> Possibly. It's not beyond a reasonable doubt to me. People
> have come forward and claimed that this has happened to them.
Lie. ONE person claimed that.
> Usually if they get away with it by luck they say nothing for obvious reaons.
Bullshit. We just convict them and jail them. Quite a few do claim that
they have no idea how it got in their bag and we dont believe them.
Skyrider
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>"Eunometic" <euno...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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>> Rod Speed wrote:
>>> "jg" <j...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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>>> >
>>> > "Nomen Nescio" <nob...@dizum.com> wrote in message
>>> > news:6d5f9c198fa21d58...@dizum.com...
>>> >> Schapelle Corby is an Australian woman just convicted of trafficking a
>>> >> large quantity (4 kgs +) of processed heroin into Indonesia.
>>> >> http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200505/s1378668.htm
<snip>
>> Possibly. It's not beyond a reasonable doubt to me. People
>> have come forward and claimed that this has happened to them.
>Lie. ONE person claimed that.
and that one persons claim can be dismissed despite having back-up
from the embassy that they made the call??
(and before you get excited just *why* would you make that sort of
enquiry if there wasn't a real need to?)
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Rod Speed
Skyrider <ozzi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Rod Speed <rod_...@yahoo.com> wrote
>> Eunometic <euno...@yahoo.com.au> wrote>>>>> Nomen Nescio <nob...@dizum.com> wrote
>>>>>> Schapelle Corby is an Australian woman just convicted of trafficking
>>>>>> a large quantity (4 kgs +) of processed heroin into Indonesia.
Wrong, it was marihuana.
>>>> >> http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200505/s1378668.htm
>>> Possibly. It's not beyond a reasonable doubt to me. People
>>> have come forward and claimed that this has happened to them.
>> Lie. ONE person claimed that.
> and that one persons claim can be dismissed despite
> having back-up from the embassy that they made the call??
Corse not. But just as plenty have CLAIMED that
they have no idea how the drugs got into their luggage,
hardly ever do any of OUR courts buy that claim.
> (and before you get excited just *why* would you make
> that sort of enquiry if there wasn't a real need to?)
Maybe they imported it deliberately and decided that maybe
someone had noticed the drugs and was watching them and
would see them start selling them and tried to explain them
away that way, by calling the embassy.
Brian May
jg> To be fair to the judges, it's hard to see how they could let
jg> her off on the face of the evidence.
What evidence was there against her?
I heard that there was:
1. Admission it was her bag.
2. The word of the customs official that she was "acting nervous" and
refused to open her bag.
I haven't heard of any other evidence against her.
For 1, Apparently, some have argued this might be more then enough
evidence for a conviction, as admission of owning the bag implies that
the contents are hers. The reasoning is: Possession is all that
matters, knowledge of the contents are not important. If 1 was all
that was used to convict her (I don't know), I strongly disagree with
the Indonesian law.
I fail to find 2 convincing. To me, at the most, it leads to doubt
that she is innocent. It doesn't prove beyond doubt. Witnesses can
make mistakes. Witnesses can deliberately make false statements
(Although I would like to think that didn't happen here). It could be
that the customs official misinterpreted "acting excited" as "acting
nervous" due to differences in culture. Or, according to Schapelle,
when she saw the contents, she closed the bag up again. Perhaps the
customs official hadn't noticed her opening the bag and closing it
again? Maybe it was only at this point she acted nervous, after she
had seen the drugs. Or perhaps she was nervous because she noticed the
shape of the bag was wrong (what if it is a bomb?) There are too many
unknowns for me to find the testimony of one person convincing.
To me however, I don't care if she was guilty or innocent under
Indonesian law. It doesn't really concern me if she was morally
guilty[1] or innocent either. What concerns me most is that there does
not seem to be fair handling of the evidence (by both countries),
there doesn't seem to be compelling evidence that Schapelle knew about
its contents, and the possibility exists that I could have the same
problems if I went to Indonesia. Hence, I will avoid visiting
Indonesia, and choose other destinations instead.
This isn't about revenge (I wouldn't consider cutting aid as others
have suggested), but doing what I feel is required for my personal
safety.
Notes:
[1] I am concerned different people may be using "guilty" to mean
different things. Legal guilt under Indonesian law? Legal guilt under
Australian law (if it applied)? Moral guilt?
My personal definition of moral guilt is:
Deliberately and intentionally importing drugs into the country.
That is:
* If somebody else packed them in your bag before/after check-in
without your knowledge (or suspicion), it doesn't count.
* If you had packed something in your bag years ago, forgotten about
it, and had no way of obvious way of remembering (e.g. weight), that
doesn't count. I recently had this issue with a pair of nail
clippers, I put them in my laptop bag years ago, just in case I
would need them. I had totally forgotten about them into going
through airport security. Fortunately, I didn't loose them, but I
couldn't take them with me either.
* If your bag was somehow swapped for one that looks identical, that
doesn't count. (I mention this, because when Schapelle said it was
her bag, I am not convinced she could have been certain of this
fact; "it looks like mine" might have been a better response).
* deliberately and intentionally implies, as far as I am concerned,
you know what you are doing.
--
Brian May <b...@snoopy.apana.org.au>
Swampfox
You really are an idiot Rod, albeit an arrogant one.
Being charged with posession and trafficking are two totally different
things, in case you didn't know.
>
>> And he didn't import it, which usually carries a tougher sentence.
>
> Bullshit with marihuana.
And yet again you display your stupidity.
No mention of the class of drug in my post, just the simple statement that
importation of a drug, any drug, carries a harsher sentence than domestic
posession.
>
>>>> The complaint is more about evidence gathering
>
>>> Nope, not if you consider what would have happened with an
>>> indonesian woman who claimed when caught with drugs at
>>> one of our airports, that someone must have put it in her bag.
>
>>>> and the apparent absurdity of transporting drugs the wrong way,
>
>>> Nothing absurd about it, much higher quality pot than you can get there.
>
>> Not true unless things have changed dramatically in the last 20 years.
>
So the Asian drugs have mutated into a strain weaker than can be grown in
Queensland.
My God you're a fool.
> They have.
>
>> Sumatran grass was always some of the best around, and much better than
>> the Aussie stuff.
>
> Not anymore with whats buyable in Bali.
See above.
>
>> The only plausible explanation I've heard is that the large number of
>> Europeans in Indonesia would rather buy there smoke from a fellow
>> European as they fear the locals could be a setup.
>
> Yep, and her sister lives there.
Irrelevant.
>
>> So an organised distribution network has developed to service the
>> tourists and non-native locals, with the dope being largely imported.
>> Mind you I have no evidence to support this premise but it does make some
>> sense.
>
> Corse it does.
>
> And its likely some silly cow like that expected that she wouldnt be
> searched for drugs when leaving Aust and entering Indonesia too.
Which is exactly what most drug smugglers believe.
>
>>>> which is a bit hard to allow for in any law. Also their shitty jails
>
>>> Its a third world country, stupid.
>
>>>> and draconian sentencing compared with ours.
>
>> As I've said, not necessarily.
>
> As I've said, you're wrong.
As I've said, you're an idiot, albeit an arrogant one.
But they're the worst kind.
>
>> What would you expect someone intercepted at Sydney airport with 4kg of
>> top quality grass to get?
>
> Nothing like 20 years. You wont necessarily
> get that even with say heroin or cocaine.
Did I say 20 years stupid?
GooDa
> vodka!
>
> Herc
>
You said it..................................50 years ago
GooDa
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>
> "GooDa" <Go...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:42978...@news.iprimus.com.au...
> >
>
>
> Is a silly
maybe
> old coot
Not that old thanks
> who spent a lot of time
Doesn't take too long to show ridicule on such a post
> weakly
Really? Where is the strength in their points?
> picking apart an argument
> with the first premise and assumption that the OP was written by an
> Indonesian. Didn't the sig at the bottom give you some indication?
Nope. Don't trust it. With your assumption my name is gooda and I have an
email addy at hotmail.com.
>
> pharro
>
Shise....and you call me "old".. ;)
boner.org
bomber who admits to the killing of many inocent people, gets what?
about 5 years i believe,
so that says to me, I'm better off killing people then possession of weed
Ray
Amrosi was one.
Corby should also receive death!!!
She is guilty of drug smuggling!
What about her backer Ron Bakir who was declared bankrupt in 2002, where did
he get the funds from if he is so broke????
You cannot hold any directorship for three years, maybe he is the head of a
drug syndicate!!!
And her family are criminals, her father was convicted of possesion of
marijuana and her half brother is in jail for break and enter.
Why should my taxes pay for QCs to get that so and so off!!!!
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boner.org
would get u maybe a 1/10th the value youd get here, if that. it'd cost
more to produce the drugs than youd get from growing handling and then
selling it over there. that reduces the worth while ness of doing it in
the first place.
if you were going to distribute drugs over there, speed or coke would be
the better (more valuble) option.
with the admission that drugs are being handled thru aussie airports,
then that adds an eliment of doubt to the case as well.
Rod Speed
You have always been, and always will be a terminal fuckwit, gutless.
> Being charged with posession and trafficking are two totally different
> things, in case you didn't know.
Even you should be able to bullshit your way out of your
predicament better than that pathetic effort, fuckwit.
>>> And he didn't import it, which usually carries a tougher sentence.
>> Bullshit with marihuana.
> And yet again you display your stupidity.
Even you should be able to bullshit your way out of your
predicament better than that pathetic effort, fuckwit.
> No mention of the class of drug in my post,
Your steaming turd was completely irrelevant, fuckwit.
> just the simple statement that importation of a drug, any drug, carries a
> harsher sentence than domestic posession.
Not a fucking clue, as always.
>>>>> The complaint is more about evidence gathering
>>>> Nope, not if you consider what would have happened with an
>>>> indonesian woman who claimed when caught with drugs at
>>>> one of our airports, that someone must have put it in her bag.
>>>>> and the apparent absurdity of transporting drugs the wrong way,
>>>> Nothing absurd about it, much higher quality pot than you can get there.
>>> Not true unless things have changed dramatically in the last 20 years.
> So the Asian drugs have mutated into a strain weaker than can be grown in
> Queensland.
Not a fucking clue, as always.
> My God you're a fool.
Even you should be able to bullshit your way out of your
predicament better than that pathetic effort, fuckwit.
>> They have.
>>> Sumatran grass was always some of the best around, and much better than the
>>> Aussie stuff.
>> Not anymore with whats buyable in Bali.
> See above.
See above.
>>> The only plausible explanation I've heard is that the large number of
>>> Europeans in Indonesia would rather buy there smoke from a fellow European
>>> as they fear the locals could be a setup.
>> Yep, and her sister lives there.
> Irrelevant.
Nope.
>>> So an organised distribution network has developed to service the tourists
>>> and non-native locals, with the dope being largely imported. Mind you I have
>>> no evidence to support this premise but it does make some sense.
>> Corse it does.
>> And its likely some silly cow like that expected that she wouldnt be
>> searched for drugs when leaving Aust and entering Indonesia too.
> Which is exactly what most drug smugglers believe.
Not a fucking clue, as always.
>>>>> which is a bit hard to allow for in any law. Also their shitty jails
>>>> Its a third world country, stupid.
>>>>> and draconian sentencing compared with ours.
>>> As I've said, not necessarily.
>> As I've said, you're wrong.
> As I've said, you're an idiot, albeit an arrogant one.
> But they're the worst kind.
Even you should be able to bullshit your way out of your
predicament better than that pathetic effort, fuckwit.
>>> What would you expect someone intercepted at Sydney airport with 4kg of top
>>> quality grass to get?
>> Nothing like 20 years. You wont necessarily
>> get that even with say heroin or cocaine.
> Did I say 20 years stupid?
Even you should be able to bullshit your way out of your
predicament better than that pathetic effort, fuckwit.
Rod Speed
boner.org <voltare1@TsloptusDOTCOMdotAUSSIE> wrote in
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> She gets 20 years for somthing she MAY OR MAYNOT HAVE DONE, YET the bali
> bomber who admits to the killing of many inocent people, gets what? about 5
> years i believe,
More fool you.
> so that says to me, I'm better off killing people then possession of weed
More fool you.
Rod Speed
Brian May <b...@snoopy.apana.org.au> wrote in message
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>> jg == jg <j...@nospam.com> writes
>> To be fair to the judges, it's hard to see how they
>> could let her off on the face of the evidence.
> What evidence was there against her?
> I heard that there was:
> 1. Admission it was her bag.
> 2. The word of the customs official that she was
> "acting nervous" and refused to open her bag.
> I haven't heard of any other evidence against her.
Corse you have, the drugs were found in what she admits was her bag.
> For 1, Apparently, some have argued this might be more then enough
> evidence for a conviction, as admission of owning the bag implies that
> the contents are hers. The reasoning is: Possession is all that
> matters, knowledge of the contents are not important.
Thats not what they are saying. They are saying that
most of those found with drugs in their luggage claim
that they have no idea how they got there.
Hardly anyone buys that claim.
Why should we believe Corby's story ?
> If 1 was all that was used to convict her (I don't know),
> I strongly disagree with the Indonesian law.
It isnt any different to ours on that stuff.
> I fail to find 2 convincing.
You're completely irrelevant. What you might
or might not find convincing in spades.
> To me, at the most, it leads to doubt that she is innocent.
> It doesn't prove beyond doubt. Witnesses can make mistakes.
Yes, but the conviction doesnt depend on that witness.
The fact remains, the drugs were found in her bag.
> Witnesses can deliberately make false statements
Why would they bother when the drugs were found in her bag ?
> (Although I would like to think that didn't happen here).
> It could be that the customs official misinterpreted "acting
> excited" as "acting nervous" due to differences in culture.
Or it could have been that she was shitting per pants
when it became clear that he was about to search her bag.
> Or, according to Schapelle, when she saw the contents,
> she closed the bag up again. Perhaps the customs official
> hadn't noticed her opening the bag and closing it again?
Or perhaps she is lying about that.
> Maybe it was only at this point she acted nervous, after she had
> seen the drugs. Or perhaps she was nervous because she noticed
> the shape of the bag was wrong (what if it is a bomb?)
Completely off with the fairys now.
> There are too many unknowns for me to find
> the testimony of one person convincing.
The testimony of that person is irrelevant,
THE DRUGS WERE FOUND IN HER BAG.
> To me however, I don't care if she was guilty or innocent under
> Indonesian law. It doesn't really concern me if she was morally
> guilty[1] or innocent either. What concerns me most is that there
> does not seem to be fair handling of the evidence (by both countries),
Bullshit. It was handled the same way it would have been handled here.
> there doesn't seem to be compelling evidence
> that Schapelle knew about its contents,
We dont bother to prove that with those who bring drugs into this country.
> and the possibility exists that I could have
> the same problems if I went to Indonesia.
And the possibility exists that she was stupid enough to decide
that there wouldnt be any baggage search when leaving this
country or on entry to Indonesia either and that her sister etc
had told her that and she imported those drugs deliberately.
> Hence, I will avoid visiting Indonesia,
> and choose other destinations instead.
Have fun listing any other destination thats any better on that.
> This isn't about revenge (I wouldn't consider cutting aid as others have
> suggested), but doing what I feel is required for my personal safety.
Have fun listing any other destination thats any better on that.
> Notes:
> [1] I am concerned different people may be using "guilty"
> to mean different things. Legal guilt under Indonesian law?
> Legal guilt under Australian law (if it applied)? Moral guilt?
> My personal definition of moral guilt is:
> Deliberately and intentionally importing drugs into the country.
Bet thats what that stupid cow did.
> That is:
> * If somebody else packed them in your bag before/after
> check-in without your knowledge (or suspicion), it doesn't count.
Why would they bother ?
> * If you had packed something in your bag years ago, forgotten about
> it, and had no way of obvious way of remembering (e.g. weight), that
> doesn't count. I recently had this issue with a pair of nail
> clippers, I put them in my laptop bag years ago, just in case I
> would need them. I had totally forgotten about them into going
> through airport security. Fortunately, I didn't loose them, but I
> couldn't take them with me either.
Tad hard with a 4KG bag of weed.
> * If your bag was somehow swapped for one that looks identical, that
> doesn't count. (I mention this, because when Schapelle said it was
> her bag, I am not convinced she could have been certain of this
> fact; "it looks like mine" might have been a better response).
Completely off with the fairys again.
> * deliberately and intentionally implies, as far as
> I am concerned, you know what you are doing.
Bet thats what happened.
AussieSeek dot com dot au
Sentances are never equal
This is why its never safe to do the crime
because
the time of sentance is never a sure thing
Yes it depends on the Judge or the Minister
A Jury is safer
But they can be selected
That statue on Old Bailey is a beauty
Justice is Blind
And Punishment is never equal,
You could use a compbuter to balance sentances
But that would take the fun out of it
Wouldnt it ????
Chris Beckhouse
Idiots
"Nomen Nescio" <nob...@dizum.com> wrote in message
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> Schapelle Corby is an Australian woman just convicted of trafficking a
> large quantity (4 kgs +) of processed heroin into Indonesia.
> http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200505/s1378668.htm
> Showing remarkable clemency and leniency that would not have been granted
> had this Corby been other than a white woman from a country that provides
> the region with most of its tourists (and also most of its tourist-caused
> crimes, including murders, rapes, assaults and thefts), the court did not
> pass the death sentence that Indonesia's laws rightly specify for
> convicted
> drug-dealers and drug-traffickers.
> Predictably, the clueless media pack and do-gooder "we're white Ozzies and
> so we can do whatever we bloody well want anywhere in the world, whatever
> the other country's law says - just like the yanks do" are up in arms
> screaming about the injustice of it all.
> But the hacks and usenet fookwits should have done just a little bit of
> research before shrieking complaints about the Australian government's
> failure to champion Schapelle Corby's cause.
> Because Schapelle's prior record re drugs back home in Oz lends the
> strident claims of innocence emanating from her obnoxious, abusive
> trailer-trash family a different perspective.. explaining the silence from
> Canberra.
> But I am not surprised the Aussie trash did not even think of checking.
> They know they are right already, just like when they and their immediate
> ancestors were busy committing genocide against the aborogines as god told
> them to.
> Schapelle's pig-ugly mother should be jailed too, for contempt of court
> -she called at least one of the judges a "liar" when the sentence was
> read,
> and screamed that it was not her precious daughter but their people 'what
> done it'. Twenty years would do nicely for her.
> Whatever Schapelle gets is mild compared to what she deserves.
>
> -The New Zealander.
Skyrider
wrote the following in ink distilled from the fermented blood of a
Norwegian Ridgeback:
>
>Wrong, it was marihuana.
>>>>> >> http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200505/s1378668.htm
Actually it had crossed my mind someone might have done/said that in
case one of the mules got caught... especially since it's the only
case we've heard about. It would give them an alibi of sorts... or at
minimum a precedent to complain about...
it's a pity the Embassy guy didn't actually *see* the drugs or meet
the people who called him.
Mr Spokesman
"Eunometic" <euno...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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>
>
She could've very easily got an associate to pack the weed into her bag.
that way her prints would not be on the contraband and its packaging.
Lets look the shape of the bag itself containing the weed: it's long, wide,
flat and rectangular(if i'm not mistaken, wasn't it one of those vacuum seal
type bags?). One could easily assume that it was intended to blended in to
the shape of board. During the journey the bag would be further compressed
and offer better concealment from trained eyes at the other end, who
hopefully, may mistake the slight flat bulge as a beach towel being used as
protective padding?. A customs X Ray operator at Denpasar airport noticed
the anomaly in her bag and rightfully, requested it to be checked out. The
rest is history.
I can't see why corrupt baggage handlers in australia would go to so much
trouble fiddling around with a conspicuous, large, cumbersome, heavy clear
plastic bag, when it would be much safer for them to have the stuff
transported overland, or at the very least, hide the stuff in a under-packed
sports bag?
Corby's defence team couldn't find the baggage handler(s) concerned because
there weren't any. They tried bluffing the judges with hearsay and innuendo.
On another point, I saw interviwed on TV tonight, one of the goverment
appointed QCs sent to Bali to appeal on Corby's behalf. Not once did he hint
at her innocence: his brief is to try and reduce her sentence.
Diana B
Rod Speed wrote:
> Why would they bother to move marihuana around
> that way inside this country when they can just post
> it or courier it and never have it checked at all etc ?
>
> The baggage handler line is utterly fanciful.
>
>
Well, not that you will necessarily believe me, but my brother in laws
Dad was a senior customs inspector here in Bris till he retired several
years ago. He says it was a common rumour(note he didn't indicate
knowledge) that baggage handlers were moving drugs around the country in
this way. He believes Shapelle got caught out with one of these shipments.
How can you say it is fanciful when they have just announced the end of
the sting into baggage handlers and drug shipments not that long ago?
One handler was dismissed by Qantas. That means there was something
going on.
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or whatever you as a stalker
and a troll hide behind to post
This thread on aus radio broadcast was started by Nomen Nescio
Its here and I dont think Google will take it down as it is all Usenet
Occasional off topic stuff like from justin etc is OK
You wont decide what is talked about,So stop trying
Its a level playing field here.
Still its an interesting talkback radio topic for some
Once again youre not here to make a contribution ...
about the thread subject only to snipe
i cant believe that youve got anything to do with radio
Now that youre in the stages of dementia
You probably more concened that you cant now
even tie two pieces of wire together !!!!!!
Brissie
>you time to work on getting your infrastructure up to 19th century
>standards. Then, go and reexamine the case, our behaviour and reaction and
>then repost your opinions.
Remember what certain Indonesian politicians have said before? They
don't want Australian tourists because they are all cheapskates who do
nothing for the economy. Indonesia want the Japanese tourists to
continue(who although less in number spend a lot more than what
Australian's do)
>Do they sell alcohol in Bali? Well if you do your research then you will
>find debate at 50% / 50% as to whether alcohol or marijuana is more damaging
>to the health and the community. So do you think a balanced sentence for
>someone selling liquer should be the death penalty?
So are you saying marijuana should be legal in Australia?
GooDa
"Brissie" <bri...@zwallet.com> wrote in message
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> >. In the tourist area then, the lack of tourists should give your
population a lot more time on their hands which will give
> >you time to work on getting your infrastructure up to 19th century
> >standards. Then, go and reexamine the case, our behaviour and reaction
and
> >then repost your opinions.
>
> Remember what certain Indonesian politicians have said before? They
> don't want Australian tourists because they are all cheapskates who do
> nothing for the economy. Indonesia want the Japanese tourists to
> continue(who although less in number spend a lot more than what
> Australian's do)
>
That's fine with me....they can have the camera-clickers. I don't see why we
should support their industry if we are going to be repeatedly stabbed in
the back.
Unfortunately we are still a bit naive here that the rest of the world is
full of nice, honest people. Some of these types do not appreciate the sort
of things we do for them,
Gees, kids broke open their piggy banks to send Tsunami aid and all I see
from the other direction is abuse, racism and disrespect.
Nope I have never been interested in going to Indo/Bali preferring to go to
HK or Europe instead and now the repeated let downs from Indo/Bali just
reassure me that I am right.
They will act nice if they want something, but deep down the arrogance and
hatred towards Australians shows very clearly instead. The OP I had answered
is the type of picture they have of us.
Why support them against their real will? (as you said they would rather we
don't even frequent there, so why try and force them to like us?)
Would you do the same for a sole individual you were trying to befriend?
What is they robbed you, would you question whether it was worth the effort?
Would you show tolerance and keep trying. Then this time you are bashed by
this person you are trying to befriend, would you again question whether it
is worth your effort? At what point would you resign to the fact that this
person is not worth befriending? How is Indonesia any different? Where does
the list start? Prior stabs in the back? Or just even in the last couple of
years with Bali Bombings, etc. etc. Ask what we have done wrong by them? You
could say butting into East Timor and Aceh and Papua affairs?
Dunno.....seems to me that we would not have crowds at our courtroom
screaming "hang him" if some Indonesian was facing a very iffy trial and it
was here in Australia and it seemed like we were just screaming to hang him
because he was an Indonesian. I know we are racist here too, but that seems
to be a lot rarer than the hatred against Australians from Indonesia.
> >Do they sell alcohol in Bali? Well if you do your research then you will
> >find debate at 50% / 50% as to whether alcohol or marijuana is more
damaging
> >to the health and the community. So do you think a balanced sentence for
> >someone selling liquer should be the death penalty?
>
> So are you saying marijuana should be legal in Australia?
Well maybe it should. It's a different subject altogether. I personally
believe all drugs should be legal. Better solution on all respects. Removal
of the black money, more money for the govt. from taxes on the drugs when
sold (like Tobacco and Wine), better ability to monitor the problems created
by the drugs, you would have a reduction in crime and policing committed to
drugs, better management programs can be put into place, etc. etc. How has
criminalising drugs worked as a solution, except to breed more corruption
and crime? It hasn't helped the drug problem at all but created a massive
underworld economy. Look at SEA....Even the Death Penalty doesn't stop the
trade. Drug usage is just as high and prominent as it always has. Why not
bring it all out in the open and DEAL WITH IT! Hiding from problems don't
make them go away.
But the reason I made the drug/alcohol comparison was to try and make the OP
understand that we in Australia UNDERSTAND from education/research
(basically facts) that Marijuana is by no means that serious and destructive
a drug as say Heroin and that EVEN if guilty, the death sentence is not a
balanced sentence for the crime at hand. Cmon Death for Grass?????? Pretty
severe. So anyone who has even tried pot is a dead loss? Will not have a
future? That is what it boils down to. So a 16 year old having a joint and
caught should have their lives ruined forever by the law when that same kid
by 19 is doing fine, working and moving ahead with their lives. People are
human and we are not robots or perfect. One smokes joints as a bit of an
escape, another plays the pokies, another watches a film, another gets into
their stamp collection. We all have "vices" and ways of escaping. Just that
each chooses their own "poison".
Swampfox
No points of any relevance to the argument, personal abuse, incoherent
drivel.
Rod Speed in all his naked glory, right on cue.
Rod Speed
Swampfox <gro...@pochta.ru> desperately attempted
to bullshit its way out of its predicament in message
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and fooled absolutely no one at all, as always.
Rod Speed
Skyrider <ozzi...@gmail.com>
Thats a lie, you're a pom.
> wrote in message news:q0ng91tdqeqgo538j...@4ax.com...
> Rod Speed <rod_...@yahoo.com> wrote
>> Skyrider <ozzi...@gmail.com> wrote
>> Wrong, it was marihuana.
>>>>>>>> http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200505/s1378668.htm
Yeah, thats the main problem with the baggage handler claim,
hard to believe that if they were actually stupid enough to ship
drugs around like that, only two had ever got lost.
Cant see the point in shipping drugs around Aust that way anyway.
> It would give them an alibi of sorts... or at
> minimum a precedent to complain about...
Yep.
> it's a pity the Embassy guy didn't actually *see*
> the drugs or meet the people who called him.
Yeah, but that was likely because the shinybum wasnt stupid enough
to get involved in what could well have been criminal activity.
Rod Speed
Diana B <go_...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> Rod Speed wrote
>> Why would they bother to move marihuana around
>> that way inside this country when they can just post
>> it or courier it and never have it checked at all etc ?
>> The baggage handler line is utterly fanciful.
> Well, not that you will necessarily believe me, but my brother in laws Dad was
> a senior customs inspector here in Bris till he retired several years ago. He
> says it was a common rumour (note he didn't indicate knowledge) that baggage
> handlers were moving drugs around the country in this way.
Dont believe it. If they did, we would have seen a hell of
a lot more people ending up with drugs in their bags when
the baggage handlers managed to lose a particular shipment.
And the MUCH more fundamental question is why would
they be stupid enough to bother moving drugs around the
country that way when its FAR too easy to lose it, and
MUCH easier to just use a courier service etc instead.
> He believes Shapelle got caught out with one of these shipments.
He's a fool.
> How can you say it is fanciful when they have just announced the end of the
> sting into baggage handlers and drug shipments not that long ago?
That was INTERNATIONAL drug shipments INTO THE COUNTRY.
> One handler was dismissed by Qantas. That means there was something going on.
See above.
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Izzy
Iskandar Baharuddin
"HERC777" <her...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> 50 years ago Americans got 20 years jail for carrying 4 litres of
> vodka!
>
> Herc
>
Izzy
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your in the dark ages with your thinking that people are guilty till
proven
innocent! You have no qualms about this terrorist harboring country and
that
the money we donated is aiding JI. They virtually let the mastermind of
JI
and the murderer of 88 Aussies go scot free and all you can do is play
this
down and put shit upon those who scream injustice when our fellow
Aussie
Schappelle gets 20 years without even being proven guilty beyond any
reasonable doubt. I hope when you go to Bali next time they find 4 kgs
of
herion in your bags and it wil be grouse to watch you squeel. You and
your
lefty friends support the Indo legal system which is biased towards
your
terrorists mates.
In the civilised world, Schappell would be deemed innocent but she is
now
held hostage by a group of animals whos standing is not much better
than
the Taliban and you know what the coalition did to them! Time to kick a
bit
of arse doncha think? Howard should tell Bang Bang that his $1Billion
aint a
coming any more but the war planes are.....
..
> These reports of morons ringing Red Cross, Salvos etc. demanding their
> Tsunami money back are sickening.
> What if the US decided to reneg on the free trade agreement because a
> couple of Aussie clowns robbed a bank over there? Do you realise how
> stupid and irrational this crap is? Most of the Tsunami victims have
> never even heard of Schapelle Corby. She's just one dumb drug smuggler
> from a long line of them.
> Ultimately, this is the media's fault.People honestly wouldn't have
> given a shit if it was just a passing mention in the paper every few
> weeks. Instead, they painted Schapelle as an innocent damsel in
> distress from day one and forced us to follow through every step of her
> arrest, incarceration and trial. They created a hysteria around her and
> played on racist and nationalistic Aussie prejudices. They gave voice
> to every dumb uneducated fuck in Australia protesting her innocence
> based on little more than the fact she was a young female in trouble,
> and far too much attention to the attention seeking crim John Ford and
> the morons at Quantas who decided to try on the camel costume.
> Channel 9 has the most to answer for. Mike Monroe should be fired.
> These are the facts. Two cops and two customs agents in Indonesia, four
> professionals, all corroborated the fact she didn't want to open her
> bag and when forced, admitted the drugs were hers. This is a typical
> reaction for someone who is busted on the spot and has no time to think
> of the consequences or of a potentially better excuse. Only with time
> to think about it and advice from her legal team did she change her
> story to willingly opening the bag and acting shocked at what was in
> there.
> Busted with drugs. No evidence that anyone else put it there.
> Case closed. Get used to it.
> You and your lefty friends support the Indo legal system which is biased towards your
>terrorists mates.
Actually it's the lefties who want Schappelle out. Bob Brown has been
the most out-spoken critic, and has called on Howard to do all these
things. Remember the Greens want marijuana to be legalised, and agree
with you that Corby should have been found not guilty because there
isn't anything wrong with pot.
Caligula
> Because Schapelle's prior record re drugs back home in Oz lends the
> strident claims of innocence emanating from her obnoxious, abusive
> trailer-trash family a different perspective.. explaining the silence from
> Canberra.
Does she have a prior drug arrest record ?
I thought that the only thing on her record was her work
as a sex-worker in Japan.
Caligula
> They don't want Australian tourists because they are all cheapskates who do
> nothing for the economy. Indonesia want the Japanese tourists to
> continue.
Cant blame them.
Money talks.
Australian backpackers dont spend as much as the Japanese tour groups.
Blaine
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>
> "HERC777" <her...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> 50 years ago Americans got 20 years jail for carrying 4 litres of
>> vodka!
>
Seems totally believable. Ever tried to
buy spirits in (nrthn) Indonesia?
10 yrs ago it was $80 oz for 1 standard
bottle of Southern Comfort, where I was
staying. Ned Kelly ran the joint I reckon.
So 50 yrs ago, it would have been highly
prized. Maybe it's changed now but I
wouldn't know, and I'll never return to
find out.
Hash, otoh, was $20 oz for a golf ball
size. I didn't, but can understand why
many cho(o)se this option.
jg
"GooDa" <Go...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Brissie" <bri...@zwallet.com> wrote in message
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> > >. In the tourist area then, the lack of tourists should give your
> population a lot more time on their hands which will give
> > >you time to work on getting your infrastructure up to 19th century
> > >standards. Then, go and reexamine the case, our behaviour and reaction
> and
> > >then repost your opinions.
> >
> > Remember what certain Indonesian politicians have said before? They
> > don't want Australian tourists because they are all cheapskates who do
> > nothing for the economy. Indonesia want the Japanese tourists to
> > continue(who although less in number spend a lot more than what
> > Australian's do)
> >
>
> That's fine with me....they can have the camera-clickers. I don't see why
we
> should support their industry if we are going to be repeatedly stabbed in
> the back.
>
> Unfortunately we are still a bit naive here that the rest of the world is
> full of nice, honest people. Some of these types do not appreciate the
sort
> of things we do for them,
>
> Gees, kids broke open their piggy banks to send Tsunami aid and all I see
> from the other direction is abuse, racism and disrespect.
>
judged based on our legal system... or gov't... or yobbo tourists? Ppl don't
holiday there to do them a favour, although it seems to me we'd do ourselves
a favour staying away. If charity was based on how nice the receiver there
would probably be no charity, truly generous ppl don't judge but give
because they think they should. It's still in our interests to keep the
right side of "the neighbours" for many reasons, in this case because it
will be the only way likely to eventually get her out - abuse won't do it,
ay.
Nate
And HERE we finally have the most important hole in the case - guilt,
innocence, character traits aside - it just doesn't make business sense to
export marijuana to bali.
Why send pot overseas to a market where it's value is greatly decreased? It
just does not make sense...
and strong drug laws aside - I'd bet my left nut I could buy locally grown
pot on the street within an hour of landing at the airport - a lot cheaper
than i could ever buy it here.
Which makes the claim that it was a domestic smuggling attempt gone bad -
seem at least a little plausible.
Seamus
Bad luck that the court believed that she was actually aware of the drugs.
Once you reach that point, everything else is mere idle speculation.
GooDa
Does their govt. like us..............no. Do their judicial system treat us
with respect............no (seen that just between events that I found
totally unnacceptable in both the bali bombing and Schapelle trials). Do
many of their public disrepect and dislike Australians...........you betcha.
Does that means every Indonesian you meet hates Australians and should be
treated with contempt...........well of course not.
But if I asked you do you think America is a war-mongering country, does
your most likely response mean that you hate every yank? No. Because we are
an ally or wish to have a relations with a nation does that mean you have to
give all the time and never receive in return? We still need to maintain our
beliefs and standards and be smart whilst trying to maintain ties with
nations or else if we are unable/inexperienced to do that without it having
a decrememental effect on ourselves then it is a tie not worth seeking at
all................. only a bunny (or Howard) would do that.
> Ppl don't
> holiday there to do them a favour, although it seems to me we'd do
ourselves
> a favour staying away.
I'm sure there are many other local places that would welcome us more
genuinely and could use the help.Aren't we compromising our own morals by
financially supporting nations with which many policies and standards we do
not adhere to? Aren't we making ourselves more vulnerable by giving
dangerous neighbours more confidence that they can get away with things with
us that we find unjust and unacceptable to our standards? That ain't too
smart in my books. You don't give bullies more confidence.
> If charity was based on how nice the receiver there
> would probably be no charity, truly generous ppl don't judge but give
> because they think they should.
Well I am in disagreement about people who gave to Tsunami needs and are
calling to get them back. That to me ain't on. Tough titties, once they give
that should be it. If they regret it now, well next time don't give. I don't
have a problem with people this past weekend giving to the Red Cross on the
condition the money was not to go to Indonesia though, that is the donator's
given right and quite sensible.
> It's still in our interests to keep the
> right side of "the neighbours" for many reasons,
I agree fully don't get me wrong,.but do it to OUR advantage and play it
like game of chess, thinking 20 moves ahead; a game I think we play very
badly. Take a leaf out of Israel's book. I don't agree with a lot of their
actions, policies and methods, but dang, look at that little place now
pulling everyones strings. As strategists, I take my hat off to them. Now as
I said I don't agree with them one bit, but I see by their example that by
using your head you surely can get far. Let's try using our noggins to our
advantage that's all. No need to sell out to get what we want.
> in this case because it
> will be the only way likely to eventually get her out - abuse won't do it,
> ay.
Nope abuse will not, but inaction and pandering them by our govt and
supporting inept Indonesian policing, evidence collection and judicial
processes won't either.
>
jg
> > in this case because it
> > will be the only way likely to eventually get her out - abuse won't do
it,
> > ay.
>
> Nope abuse will not, but inaction and pandering them by our govt and
> supporting inept Indonesian policing, evidence collection and judicial
> processes won't either.
>
they'll listen to it from a formal gov't approach but not from name-calling
Aussie protesters. Sure protest but not by smashing what cooperative
elements there are in the relationship. We the public can boycott travel but
can't expect our gov't to do the same - how do we talk to them then? If we
reckon we are better, are we still better after we ask for our tsunami money
back?
GooDa
So even if the government issue a travel warning smartly done so as to
ensure travellers take notice and are likely to be put (thereby getting the
results that were intended) but don't put anything in there incriminating
that their govt cannot really criticise or do anything about without seeming
unfair (ie. recent Christian bombing is enough for a bit more of a terrorism
warning for Indonesia isn't it?) then you are saying that even with this one
small example, the govt. haven't put them in a worse position for their
tourism and in turn making them be sure they tread carefully and think twice
next time they want to take an Australian as a scapegoat? (if say she is
innocent in this case)
Sure the public can do things, but ultimately as you said they are more
likely to take govt. actions more seriously than the public's and let's face
it how long after Bali before Aussies were back in Bali. We have a very
short attention span here and although we have morals we also have more
important things to attend to daily that none have the time to do any of the
optional things we would like to do.
But as I said bascally diplomacy is a chess game and they seem to be winning
by using their heads........we would rather "buy" our relationship with
Indonesia....and the price is Australian lives at the end of the
line......the politicians who make the shitehouse decisions that affects the
citizens so far away from their scope are untouched, they go unaccountable
for their decisions and recieve their lovely package upon retirement.
Wouldn't it be interesting to see what sort of world we lived in today if
politicians were treated like any other run of the milll stock and were
truly accountable for what they did - criminal or civil. Imagine Howard
being tried for his decision for Iraq with the 100000+ lives lost there.
What would his sentence be? Would he have been so quick to go with the
decision if he knew he risked conviction of a criminal charge and possible
life in jail sentence?
jg
There's virtually a standing travel warning now because it's lousy with mad
mussies. You want the gov't to make some sort of international trade-off
demand based on your & my personal assessments that 1 person has been
mis-judged. Would you want the same for the dozens of others in similar
trouble in a number of other countries?
>
> Sure the public can do things, but ultimately as you said they are more
> likely to take govt. actions more seriously than the public's and let's
face
> it how long after Bali before Aussies were back in Bali. We have a very
> short attention span here and although we have morals we also have more
> important things to attend to daily that none have the time to do any of
the
> optional things we would like to do.
>
Public can do things gov't can't, and vice versa.
> But as I said bascally diplomacy is a chess game and they seem to be
winning
> by using their heads........we would rather "buy" our relationship with
> Indonesia....and the price is Australian lives at the end of the
> line......the politicians who make the shitehouse decisions that affects
the
> citizens so far away from their scope are untouched, they go unaccountable
> for their decisions and recieve their lovely package upon retirement.
> Wouldn't it be interesting to see what sort of world we lived in today if
> politicians were treated like any other run of the milll stock and were
> truly accountable for what they did - criminal or civil. Imagine Howard
> being tried for his decision for Iraq with the 100000+ lives lost there.
> What would his sentence be? Would he have been so quick to go with the
> decision if he knew he risked conviction of a criminal charge and possible
> life in jail sentence?
>
We tread a very narrow line, JH did what previous could not with E.Timor at
serious risk with Indo. relations. Would you jail him on lives lost there?
Who's to judge, and would you do the job on such a basis? I'd resign at the
first sign of trouble in case someone thought I'd made the wrong decision.
Mr Spokesman
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Why would some stupid baggage handler be waiting around holding a large
CLEAR plastic bag containing 4 kg of dope, hoping a suitably shaped bag
comes along in time to be sent to Sydney? Surely overland transportation is
much less prone to stuff-ups, and I suppose, greater loads could be
transported. The AFP operation itself at the time that got so much attention
was only concerned with drugs coming into the country, not intrastate
traffic.
Why didn't the handler use a black bag if discretion is so paramount in
these sort of illicit operations?
It's funny how the shape of the plastic bag itself just fits neatly inside
the board bag. The bag was long and rectangular. It was a CLEAR bag which is
so strange. To the untrained eye, the bulge in bag could be mistaken as,
perhaps, a towel, to protect the board? A trained eye with an X Ray machine
may view the contents differently and have it checked out.
Why take dope into Bali in the first place? Perhaps it was for personal use
within a group, or maybe it was for sale to Aussies who may mistrust unknown
Balinese dealers.
The fingerpint issue is not really relevant as the bag could've been packed
by someone else using gloves. However, Schapelle's brother said on tv he saw
her pack the bag whereas her father claimed he did the packing. That
contradiction itself surely didn't help Corby's case.
GooDa
I would rather in general that they are more aggresive in their defense of
our citizens, yes. France demanded the shoe-bomber be allowed to be
extradited from the US and trialed in France because he was a French citizen
and they like us do not support capital punishment. We dobbed in the Bali 9
to get brownie points for some security information-exchange agreement with
Indonesia well knowing they will get the death penalty but sacrificing our
beliefs for the bigger objective. Big difference isn't there?
If my understanding of the case is correct then regarding Schapelle once
again fight aggresively to get the best result for her. It is always a govts
duty as a govt to defend and protect its citizens. It really is as simple as
that, or else you can justify letting anything go based on the fact that
there is something grander to be achieved. People should always come 1st.
I question this govts approach and decisions with Indonesia. I feel they
could have done a much better job. For starters I think Howards "pre-emptive
strikes" on Asian neighbours sovereign soil was a big big blunder. His
approach with Iraq did not improve things with our Asian (pred. Muslim)
neighbors either. His ego did a lot of damage for Asian's impression of
Australians. No use then offering money and wanting to cooperate with them.
What were these goon tactics meant to achieve? Sorry, but sometime he is a
real idiot.
They knew East Timor was going to happen well before they stepped in, that
is fact. I criticise him there too for that. That was something to step in
on immediately and stuff what it did to the relationship. People were being
slaughtered whilst JH sat quietly and let it go.
> Who's to judge, and would you do the job on such a basis?
Gladly, I have taken on extremely challenging roles that others said were
impossible and achieved the objectives. Give me the job anyday.
Unfortunately I know myself too well and I would be implementing changes at
any cost. The outcome of me running the country would be one of 2 scenarios:
1. I would either be murdered by the elites and corporations who would have
a much heftier tax bill soon after my entry or 2. We would be at war by next
week because I would stand up for what I believe is right for the people and
the country's advancement no matter the costs. :)))))))))))))))))))))
> I'd resign at the
> first sign of trouble in case someone thought I'd made the wrong decision.
I wouldn't have a problem there.....I love challenges and with that sort of
role you take it on knowing you can't please everyone no matter what you do
and knowing that you are always going to face criticism from someone. Guess
if you don't like that sort of environment then no it wouldn't be a glorious
job, but I know myself and I would definitely thrive on it.
Pauline Hanson's popularity showed us how sick of the current politicians
and policies we really are. Admittedly she was inexperienced so she didn't
capture most peoples support and then she said some things that enabled
mainstream politicians and elite interests to remove her from the picture
but just her "removal" showed me how corrupt the top is and how anyone that
challenges the status quo will be eliminated. You see by that that we have
let things slide too much and the more things are let go unchallenged the
harder it will get to try and fix things later.
Nope, you remove corruption from the leadership, make sure the leader works
on the basis that you improve Australian's standards of education, health
and living, oiur ownership of businesses and their growth, stuff FTA's if
the country is not going to benefit, etc. etc. and don't worry too much
about helping everyone else until we have our own problems sorted out. After
all we vote the leader to lead our country and look after our interests, not
others interests and other peoples. With technology you can also move to
Online referendums meaning it would be easier to put more options to the
people to decide too. But keep dreaming about any govt talking about
introducing that because that would give us the citizens more say about how
things work. Things done smartly can affect multiple things, so I am
actually an optomist and can see that is possible to have successful
economies where both individuals and business can reap the rewards. After
all the wealthier each one of us is, the more money we spend and invest, the
better the economy goes, the better the country does. So the objective
should be to enrichen people not impoverish them to improve the business
environment. Pretty useless conning businesses to setup shop in Australia
when the people can't afford to give the business any business now isn't it.
.
Funny how up until the end of the 60s, Australian's were living like kings,
making everything locally, the Australian dollar was worth USD $1.50, we
could all afford our own homes (between $10000 and $15000 I recall), etc etc
yet 40 years on with the technological advances making goods so much cheaper
to make and jobs so much more efficient to perform that we now import
everything from 3rd world countries and don't make anything ourselves, we
have more taxes than we had then, tolls on roads, GST, most can't afford
their own homes, we are very dependant on outside economies doing well and
our dollar has become the Pacific Peso.
Here's a great way to put it.....if you fell into a coma in the 60s and came
to today, in regards to the country and its current situation wouldn't you
be asking "What the hell went wrong whilst I was out?". Who's to blame?
People? or the Govts?
Iskandar Baharuddin
would realise that you had been living in a fool's paradise. Australia
started going downhill in the late 50s, dropping ten places in the world's
wealth stakes. Fortunately the ALP government was eventually "mugged by
reality", and the reform process started.
Don't remind me of the days when AUD 1 = USD 1.50. I was an exporter. At the
time I forecast, indeed welcomed, the slide of the over-priced AUD. After
getting down to where it should be (USD .60 +-) it has crept back up, but
this is more due to the irresponsiblity of the Yanks.
I wish you well. Megalomania can be treated.
Izzy
Phred
In article <429b1...@news.iprimus.com.au>, "GooDa"
<Go...@hotmail.com> wrote:
[snip]
>
>Funny how up until the end of the 60s, Australian's were living like kings,
>making everything locally, the Australian dollar was worth USD $1.50, we
>could all afford our own homes (between $10000 and $15000 I recall), etc etc
>yet 40 years on with the technological advances making goods so much cheaper
>to make and jobs so much more efficient to perform that we now import
>everything from 3rd world countries and don't make anything ourselves, we
>have more taxes than we had then, tolls on roads, GST, most can't afford
>their own homes, we are very dependant on outside economies doing well and
>our dollar has become the Pacific Peso.
>
>Here's a great way to put it.....if you fell into a coma in the 60s and came
>to today, in regards to the country and its current situation wouldn't you
>be asking "What the hell went wrong whilst I was out?". Who's to blame?
>People? or the Govts?
Neither. Just Whitlam.
Cheers, Phred.
--
ppnerk...@THISyahoo.com.INVALID
jg
> > Who's to judge, and would you do the job on such a basis?
>
> Gladly, I have taken on extremely challenging roles that others said were
> impossible and achieved the objectives. Give me the job anyday.
Well good luck with it because you'd be going to jail over the first
important international interaction - half the country will always reckon
you're wrong. You'd probably be hung over WW2, certainly over WW1... in fact
the entire gov't could have been... big lineup.. piano wire.. like when they
got Mussolini. But your parliament would always be partway through
individual sentences - when was the last time any decision was universally
supported?
....................
>
> Funny how up until the end of the 60s, Australian's were living like
kings,
> making everything locally, the Australian dollar was worth USD $1.50, we
> could all afford our own homes (between $10000 and $15000 I recall), etc
etc
> yet 40 years on with the technological advances making goods so much
cheaper
> to make and jobs so much more efficient to perform that we now import
> everything from 3rd world countries and don't make anything ourselves, we
> have more taxes than we had then, tolls on roads, GST, most can't afford
> their own homes, we are very dependant on outside economies doing well and
> our dollar has become the Pacific Peso.
>
> Here's a great way to put it.....if you fell into a coma in the 60s and
came
> to today, in regards to the country and its current situation wouldn't you
> be asking "What the hell went wrong whilst I was out?". Who's to blame?
> People? or the Govts?
>
Menzies introduced a fool's financial paradise, then Whitlam a freeloader's
paradise. The country could not afford either, now we are paying the debt
for both. We are as quick to buy chinese sandshoes & TV's as gov't is to
privatise, but you want to jail politicians over it. Hey you want to jail
pollies every time someone thinks they are wrong, but reckon they should
demand release of 1 convict O/S because someone thinks they are innocent.
fritz
Seamus
>
> Seamus <dri...@eight.com.ir> wrote in message news:3fv66cF...@individual.net...
>>
>>
>> Bad luck that the court believed that she was actually aware of the drugs.
>> Once you reach that point, everything else is mere idle speculation.
>
> Asian idiots...
That's unlikely to sway an Indonesian appeal court...
fritz
Seamus wrote ...
They are still Asian idiots for having stupid drug laws.
Bomb and kill a few hundred people - 2 years gaol.
Get caught with grass (which has never killed anyone ever) - 20 years.
Go figure......these Indos ARE typical Asian idiots.
GooDa
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Which ALP govt and what reforms are you talking about exactly? The ALP were
not in power in the 50s if that is what you mean?
>
> Don't remind me of the days when AUD 1 = USD 1.50. I was an exporter. At
the
> time I forecast, indeed welcomed, the slide of the over-priced AUD. After
> getting down to where it should be (USD .60 +-) it has crept back up, but
> this is more due to the irresponsiblity of the Yanks.
Well yes in proportion, it is still sitting in the USD $0.60's. Compare it
against the Euro and the Euro against the USD. It is only up in the USD
$0.70's because of the weakness of the USD. Whilst Bush is in power, it will
remain weak.
>
> I wish you well. Megalomania can be treated.
So you think Australia's current govt has handled the Indonesian
relationship well do you? I presume you are Indonesian and living there? I
would be interested in your opinion.
>
> Izzy
>
>
Iskandar Baharuddin
course. I think you knew that.
>>
>> Don't remind me of the days when AUD 1 = USD 1.50. I was an exporter. At
> the
>> time I forecast, indeed welcomed, the slide of the over-priced AUD. After
>> getting down to where it should be (USD .60 +-) it has crept back up, but
>> this is more due to the irresponsiblity of the Yanks.
>
> Well yes in proportion, it is still sitting in the USD $0.60's. Compare it
> against the Euro and the Euro against the USD. It is only up in the USD
> $0.70's because of the weakness of the USD. Whilst Bush is in power, it
> will
> remain weak.
>
>>
>> I wish you well. Megalomania can be treated.
>
> So you think Australia's current govt has handled the Indonesian
> relationship well do you? I presume you are Indonesian and living there? I
> would be interested in your opinion.
>
I think the Howard government has handled the relationship extremely well.
After all, we caused them to lose face, sent troops into former Indonesian
territory... and we still get along fairly well.
Actually, I am probably not a "real" Indonesian. I have spent most of my
life elsewhere, and I am quite sure I do not think like a Javanese. In fact,
I am quite certain I never did.
One thing few Australians understand is that there is no such thing as "the
Indonesian character". There is great diversity, but the strain which
dominates is Jawa - terutama Jawa Tengah.
What the world regards as the Indonesian Republic is in fact the Javanese
Empire.
Izzy
Roy Wilke
fritz wrote:
>
> They are still Asian idiots for having stupid drug laws.
And you're a sausage-like idiot for believing that.
> Bomb and kill a few hundred people - 2 years gaol.
Wrong. It's "Bomb and kill a few hundred people -- death sentence"
> Get caught with grass (which has never killed anyone ever) - 20 years.
Get caught smuggling a commercially-saleable quantity of an illicit drug
into a country -- a substantial gaol term in virtually every country
listed in the gazetteer.
> Go figure......these Indos ARE typical Asian idiots.
>
And you are...?
GooDa
>
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> >> Well, if you stopped to have a look at the 40 years you slept through
you
> >> would realise that you had been living in a fool's paradise. Australia
> >> started going downhill in the late 50s, dropping ten places in the
> >> world's
> >> wealth stakes. Fortunately the ALP government was eventually "mugged by
> >> reality", and the reform process started.
> > Which ALP govt and what reforms are you talking about exactly? The ALP
> > were
> > not in power in the 50s if that is what you mean?
> >
> Do you understand "eventually"? It was the Hawke-Keating government, of
> course. I think you knew that.
I would not have asked you to clarify it if I knew what you meant.
I put more merit on Keating as a person with brains than Howard (re his
relationship with Asian govts), however I also hold that team responsible
for a lot of the shaping of today's Australia and I don't agree with their
ideas and likewise was against their policies then.
Much of my work at the company I was employed at then (an Australian
manufacturer) was involvement in the project to move many of the labour
intensive operations to the company's Malaysian plant (for obvious cost
savings). And this was common practice back then, Keating brought about the
start of the decline of Ausatralian based manufacturing. What we see today
is the final picture of what they, along with subsequent govts did to
Australia..............they put money before the people's future. Sure, for
people outside Australia it would be easy to agree with these moves, however
for an Australian with concern for the long term future of Australians, then
I do not gives the modern Aust. govts much merit, they are great and quick
to sell off Australian interests and for me should all go to hell as weak
traitors.
>
> >>
> >> Don't remind me of the days when AUD 1 = USD 1.50. I was an exporter.
At
> > the
> >> time I forecast, indeed welcomed, the slide of the over-priced AUD.
After
> >> getting down to where it should be (USD .60 +-) it has crept back up,
but
> >> this is more due to the irresponsiblity of the Yanks.
> >
> > Well yes in proportion, it is still sitting in the USD $0.60's. Compare
it
> > against the Euro and the Euro against the USD. It is only up in the USD
> > $0.70's because of the weakness of the USD. Whilst Bush is in power, it
> > will
> > remain weak.
> >
> >>
> >> I wish you well. Megalomania can be treated.
> >
> > So you think Australia's current govt has handled the Indonesian
> > relationship well do you? I presume you are Indonesian and living there?
I
> > would be interested in your opinion.
> >
> I think the Howard government has handled the relationship extremely well.
> After all, we caused them to lose face,
How so did you cause them to lose face? You do know that "saving face" is an
Asian characteristic, not Australian?
> sent troops into former Indonesian
> territory... and we still get along fairly well.
Govts do............as people the relationship under Howard has only brought
death to Australians and a lot more hatred from Indonesians. Not a great
result as far as i'm concerned. If you feel different then maybe you are
only considering it from you viewpoint, as a non-Australian and not residing
in Australia.
Ray
"Floyd" <N...@Bigpond.or.Optus.net.au> wrote in message
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> fritz stared into a crystal ball and came up with...
>
> Bomb and kill a few hundred people - 2 years gaol.
Bakir was not tried in a court in Indonesia for the Bali Bombings he was
only accused by our fascist government. Those who did the bombing were
tried and sent to death row!!
Corby comes from a family of criminals, her father was convicted of
possession and sentenced to jail 30 years ago and her brother is in jail for
break and enter, and her backer, where did he get the money from to help
this drug smuggling criminal bitch, he only came out of bankruptcy recently,
leaving creditors with nothing.
Iskandar Baharuddin
of Australian manufacturing.
It was the numbers.
The "them" referred to the Indonesians. I would have thought that was quite
clear.
>
>> sent troops into former Indonesian
>> territory... and we still get along fairly well.
>
> Govts do............as people the relationship under Howard has only
> brought
> death to Australians and a lot more hatred from Indonesians. Not a great
> result as far as i'm concerned. If you feel different then maybe you are
> only considering it from you viewpoint, as a non-Australian and not
> residing
> in Australia.
>
What do you think Howard should have done about TimTim? Nothing?
Izzy
Iskandar Baharuddin
"Ray" <sendnos...@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
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Izzy
Ray
You name who put it there (by saying baggage handlers will not hold up both
here and in Indonesia) and then she will be proved innocent!!!
If you can't then you are krap!!!!
"Iskandar Baharuddin" <bren...@mcpc.net.au> wrote in message
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GooDa
Ah....you live in Australia? Sorry I am reading it as if you live in
Indonesia.
>
> >
> >> sent troops into former Indonesian
> >> territory... and we still get along fairly well.
> >
> > Govts do............as people the relationship under Howard has only
> > brought
> > death to Australians and a lot more hatred from Indonesians. Not a great
> > result as far as i'm concerned. If you feel different then maybe you are
> > only considering it from you viewpoint, as a non-Australian and not
> > residing
> > in Australia.
> >
> What do you think Howard should have done about TimTim? Nothing?
No, but they had knowledge it was going to happen well ahead of the event
and did nothing. Too late is my criticism on East Timor.
Iskandar Baharuddin
I gather you believe Australia should have declared war on
Indonesia prior to the Referendum.
Please correct me if I have misunderstood; I cannot think of any
other options available at the time.
Izzy
snip
GooDa
> >> Nothing?
> >
> > No, but they had knowledge it was going to happen well ahead
> > of the event
> > and did nothing. Too late is my criticism on East Timor.
>
> I gather you believe Australia should have declared war on
> Indonesia prior to the Referendum.
>
> Please correct me if I have misunderstood; I cannot think of any
> other options available at the time.
They should have ensured that they did more beforehand seeing they well knew
what was going to happen if the country voted for Independance.
They could have done a hell of a lot more. It could have been raised as a
concern with Indonesia first of course, they could have rallied the US a bit
more to get involved, it could have even been raised with the UN. When the
Australian govt were pushing the Timorese to make sure they vote, etc. where
did they slot the consideration of what was going to be done to them when
they DID vote for Independance. No preventative measures were taken by our
govt to ensure the saftey of the Timorese during and after the vote. And
that's sick in the head. They (Aus.govt.) are a pack of murderers (and they
have just continued their incosideration for human life with Iraq).
And to be honest I believe saving human life from heinous slaughter is
enough to fight for (as a last measure *of course*) but if it comes down to
it, then my position may be harsh, but we all know that without pain there
isn't gain.
>
> Izzy
>
> snip
>
>
Iskandar Baharuddin
There was absolutely no possibility of intervention before or
during the vote short of an all-out invasion.
Are you seriously suggesting that this would have saved lives?
You are condemning the government for not doing in TimTim what
it did in Iraq.
Does anyone else note a slight inconsistency?
Izzy
fritz
Roy Wilke wrote ..
>
>
> fritz wrote:
>
> >
> > They are still Asian idiots for having stupid drug laws.
>
> And you're a sausage-like idiot for believing that.
Is that some sort of veiled anti-German insult ?
> > Bomb and kill a few hundred people - 2 years gaol.
>
> Wrong. It's "Bomb and kill a few hundred people -- death sentence"
Incite them to bomb, then.
> > Get caught with grass (which has never killed anyone ever) - 20 years.
>
> Get caught smuggling a commercially-saleable quantity of an illicit drug
> into a country -- a substantial gaol term in virtually every country
> listed in the gazetteer.
We are talking about cannabis, not heroin or other hard drugs.
The Indos DO have a death sentence penalty for cannabis.
That is absurd, the laws are ridiculous, they must be idiots to
threaten the death penalty for a drug that has never killed anyone.
I think Turkey did the same thing with tea once, but they realised
their mistake long ago.
> > Go figure......these Indos ARE typical Asian idiots.
> >
>
> And you are...?
An Australian.
fritz
Floyd <N...@Bigpond.or.Optus.net.au> wrote in message news:MPG.1d095fb1a...@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> fritz stared into a crystal ball and came up with...
> >
> > Bomb and kill a few hundred people - 2 years gaol.
> > Get caught with grass (which has never killed anyone ever) - 20 years.
> > Go figure......these Indos ARE typical Asian idiots.
> >
> >
> racist
There is NO POSSIBILITY of getting a death sentence for cannabis in OZ.
There is in Asia.
The US have some draconian drug laws, but they don't have the death sentence
for cannabis today, although it was probably a law in the past in some states.
Do you know what the penalty is for importing 4kg of cannabis into OZ is ?
tdk
If they are idiots what are we?
Drug dealing, manufacturing illicit drugs and murder should all have the
same penalty, life without parole.
"fritz" <fr...@address.com> wrote in message
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Roy Wilke
fritz wrote:
> Do you know what the penalty is for importing 4kg of cannabis into OZ is ?
No. How about you go overseas, buy 4kg of cannabis and get caught
bringing it back into Australia? Then you can tell us what it is.
Roy Wilke
fritz wrote:
> Roy Wilke wrote ..
>
>>
>>fritz wrote:
>>
>>
>>>They are still Asian idiots for having stupid drug laws.
>>
>>And you're a sausage-like idiot for believing that.
>
>
> Is that some sort of veiled anti-German insult ?
No. If it were, then I'd also be insulting myself.
>
>
>>>Bomb and kill a few hundred people - 2 years gaol.
>>
>>Wrong. It's "Bomb and kill a few hundred people -- death sentence"
>
>
> Incite them to bomb, then.
Suggesting that someone do something is completely different from
actually doing that something.
>>>Get caught with grass (which has never killed anyone ever) - 20 years.
>>
>>Get caught smuggling a commercially-saleable quantity of an illicit drug
>>into a country -- a substantial gaol term in virtually every country
>>listed in the gazetteer.
>
>
> We are talking about cannabis, not heroin or other hard drugs.
> The Indos DO have a death sentence penalty for cannabis.
> That is absurd, the laws are ridiculous, they must be idiots to
> threaten the death penalty for a drug that has never killed anyone.
> I think Turkey did the same thing with tea once, but they realised
> their mistake long ago.
Nevertheless, cannabis IS an illicit drug in most countries. Cocaine and
heroin were legal in Australia until the middle of last century, too --
cocaine was widely used as a dental anaesthetic and heroin was an
ingredient in headache powders.
>
>>>Go figure......these Indos ARE typical Asian idiots.
>>>
>>
>>And you are...?
>
>
> An Australian.
Are you a typical Australian? ;)
Iskandar Baharuddin
Coffee.
Russia once punished the use of tobacco with "exile and torture"
(which has always puzzled me).
After a few years the government decided to set up a government
monopoly.
Izzy
fritz
Roy Wilke <noidontwantanyspa...@thisisp.com> wrote in message news:42a1491a$0$30177$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
Yes, we don't support the death penalty for any reason.
Much less for something as victimless as cannabis.
The USA will grow up one day...............
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