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Wolfgang Wildeblood
May 7, 2013, 11:42:51 PM5/7/13
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All this chatter this morning about "retards" voting has me wondering
why we accept a universal voting entitlement beginning at age 18.
Wouldn't we be better off if there were some kind of objective test to
pass to qualify for voting entitlement? Surely we could devise a test
of intellectual and emotional maturity that revealed whether one was
at least as grown-up as the average 18-year old person, and excluded
those who were not?
why we accept a universal voting entitlement beginning at age 18.
Wouldn't we be better off if there were some kind of objective test to
pass to qualify for voting entitlement? Surely we could devise a test
of intellectual and emotional maturity that revealed whether one was
at least as grown-up as the average 18-year old person, and excluded
those who were not?
Trevor
May 7, 2013, 11:49:45 PM5/7/13
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matter what you would prefer. Most politicians obviously being below average
would probably prefer smart people be excluded instead. :-(
Trevor.
bringyagrogalong
May 8, 2013, 12:36:09 AM5/8/13
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buys The Australian.
Graham Cooper
May 8, 2013, 12:38:55 AM5/8/13
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He voluntarily cops the fine, since his opinion would sway the vote
too much.
or was that Hinch?
Herc
Peter Jason
May 8, 2013, 12:49:28 AM5/8/13
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levels of suffrage from about 1840. Citizens of
quality had the vote at first depending on land
holdings and income and women were given a vote
after WWI. It was all downhill from there.
The fault with economics generally and Keynesian
economics in particular is the impossibility of
handing out "tough love" to the Great Unwashed
because of voter blowback on polling day.
Therefore every election is preceded by some form
of pork-barrelling to bribe the vast bulk of
voters and the poor thrifty few suffer.
It's all Bread & Circuses, with the politicians
supplying the circus.
God have mercy on us!
Dechucka
May 8, 2013, 1:02:00 AM5/8/13
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the great unwashed up there to be disenfranchised
Petzl
May 8, 2013, 1:12:02 AM5/8/13
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If so what
I read at least graze headlines
http://bigpondnews.com/?ref=Net-Header-News-Home
http://www.abc.net.au/news/
http://au.news.yahoo.com/
http://www.smh.com.au/
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/
--
Petzl
To get rid of Gillard a devout anti-Christ misandrist you have to get rid of Labor
Voting for Julia Gillard because you hate Tony Abbott is like eating shit because you hate spinach
< http://tinyurl.com/Gillards-Massive-Debt >
< http://tinyurl.com/Exploding-Gillard-Debt >
Lies, damned lies and Labor claims
http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/content/2008/s2214216.htm
''There will be no carbon tax under the government I lead,''
Petzl
May 8, 2013, 1:18:50 AM5/8/13
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borough voting for.
Checking "1" in the headline box does this
Without doing this it is an IQ test
Dechucka
May 8, 2013, 1:20:45 AM5/8/13
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ALP = Arrogance, Lies & Pretence
May 8, 2013, 1:39:53 AM5/8/13
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you should get 2 votes, 3 votes for $1m and so on.
That way if you are super-rich but expert at tax avoidance, you get no
extra votes. Those that pay more tax get more say over how it is spent.
Lazy bludgers get less.
Dole cheats & criminals should be disenfranchised - unlike ALP policy
which is to put them in parliament.
--
Julia Gillard...
"I don't want the mining industry to hire a single foreign worker if
there is an Australian who can do the job"
(PS: Who issues the visas????????????????????)
"Wayne Swan was explicitly asked to rule out a further increase in the
debt limit above the current limit of $300 billion. He steadfastly refused".
http://liberal.org.au/latest-news/2013/03/13/swan-refuses-rule-out-increase-debt-limit-above-300-billion
Swan...
"The course of action I'm talking about today really comes very much, I
guess, to the core of my values and the values of the Labor Party"
Paul Howes...
"Labor has an obligation to stop extremists who threaten our democracy"
How much new law is there every year?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lePrBUHihKI
Tony Abbott...
"You do not save the environment by killing the economy"
"It's not about popularity, it's about gaining respect, and she hasn't
got it yet"
(Australian of the Year, 2013)
Peter Jason
May 8, 2013, 1:48:11 AM5/8/13
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On Wed, 08 May 2013 15:39:53 +1000, "ALP =
Arrogance, Lies & Pretence"
vote too. They sure pay plenty taxes.
Arrogance, Lies & Pretence"
<bjfost...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>On 8/05/2013 1:42 PM, Wolfgang Wildeblood wrote:
>> All this chatter this morning about "retards" voting has me wondering
>> why we accept a universal voting entitlement beginning at age 18.
>> Wouldn't we be better off if there were some kind of objective test to
>> pass to qualify for voting entitlement? Surely we could devise a test
>> of intellectual and emotional maturity that revealed whether one was
>> at least as grown-up as the average 18-year old person, and excluded
>> those who were not?
>>
>
>Everybody should get 1 vote & then if you pay more than $100k in tax,
>you should get 2 votes, 3 votes for $1m and so on.
And why don't corporations and companies get a
>On 8/05/2013 1:42 PM, Wolfgang Wildeblood wrote:
>> All this chatter this morning about "retards" voting has me wondering
>> why we accept a universal voting entitlement beginning at age 18.
>> Wouldn't we be better off if there were some kind of objective test to
>> pass to qualify for voting entitlement? Surely we could devise a test
>> of intellectual and emotional maturity that revealed whether one was
>> at least as grown-up as the average 18-year old person, and excluded
>> those who were not?
>>
>
>Everybody should get 1 vote & then if you pay more than $100k in tax,
>you should get 2 votes, 3 votes for $1m and so on.
vote too. They sure pay plenty taxes.
ALP = Arrogance, Lies & Pretence
May 8, 2013, 1:56:55 AM5/8/13
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On 8/05/2013 3:48 PM, Peter Jason wrote:
> On Wed, 08 May 2013 15:39:53 +1000, "ALP =
> Arrogance, Lies & Pretence"
> <bjfost...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
>> On 8/05/2013 1:42 PM, Wolfgang Wildeblood wrote:
>>> All this chatter this morning about "retards" voting has me wondering
>>> why we accept a universal voting entitlement beginning at age 18.
>>> Wouldn't we be better off if there were some kind of objective test to
>>> pass to qualify for voting entitlement? Surely we could devise a test
>>> of intellectual and emotional maturity that revealed whether one was
>>> at least as grown-up as the average 18-year old person, and excluded
>>> those who were not?
>>>
>>
>> Everybody should get 1 vote & then if you pay more than $100k in tax,
>> you should get 2 votes, 3 votes for $1m and so on.
>
> And why don't corporations and companies get a
> vote too. They sure pay plenty taxes.
>
That's a slippery slope conclusion. The idea is to qualify people.
> On Wed, 08 May 2013 15:39:53 +1000, "ALP =
> Arrogance, Lies & Pretence"
> <bjfost...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
>> On 8/05/2013 1:42 PM, Wolfgang Wildeblood wrote:
>>> All this chatter this morning about "retards" voting has me wondering
>>> why we accept a universal voting entitlement beginning at age 18.
>>> Wouldn't we be better off if there were some kind of objective test to
>>> pass to qualify for voting entitlement? Surely we could devise a test
>>> of intellectual and emotional maturity that revealed whether one was
>>> at least as grown-up as the average 18-year old person, and excluded
>>> those who were not?
>>>
>>
>> Everybody should get 1 vote & then if you pay more than $100k in tax,
>> you should get 2 votes, 3 votes for $1m and so on.
>
> And why don't corporations and companies get a
> vote too. They sure pay plenty taxes.
>
Companies are not people.
>
>
>>
>> That way if you are super-rich but expert at tax avoidance, you get no
>> extra votes. Those that pay more tax get more say over how it is spent.
>> Lazy bludgers get less.
>>
>> Dole cheats & criminals should be disenfranchised - unlike ALP policy
>> which is to put them in parliament.
>
>
Dechucka
May 8, 2013, 1:58:05 AM5/8/13
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> On Wed, 08 May 2013 15:39:53 +1000, "ALP =
> Arrogance, Lies & Pretence"
> <bjfost...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
>>On 8/05/2013 1:42 PM, Wolfgang Wildeblood wrote:
>>> All this chatter this morning about "retards" voting has me wondering
>>> why we accept a universal voting entitlement beginning at age 18.
>>> Wouldn't we be better off if there were some kind of objective test to
>>> pass to qualify for voting entitlement? Surely we could devise a test
>>> of intellectual and emotional maturity that revealed whether one was
>>> at least as grown-up as the average 18-year old person, and excluded
>>> those who were not?
>>>
>>
>>Everybody should get 1 vote & then if you pay more than $100k in tax,
>>you should get 2 votes, 3 votes for $1m and so on.
>
> And why don't corporations and companies get a
> vote too. They sure pay plenty taxes.
all of these that pay the Company tax rate get a vote i.e. none
> Arrogance, Lies & Pretence"
> <bjfost...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
>>On 8/05/2013 1:42 PM, Wolfgang Wildeblood wrote:
>>> All this chatter this morning about "retards" voting has me wondering
>>> why we accept a universal voting entitlement beginning at age 18.
>>> Wouldn't we be better off if there were some kind of objective test to
>>> pass to qualify for voting entitlement? Surely we could devise a test
>>> of intellectual and emotional maturity that revealed whether one was
>>> at least as grown-up as the average 18-year old person, and excluded
>>> those who were not?
>>>
>>
>>Everybody should get 1 vote & then if you pay more than $100k in tax,
>>you should get 2 votes, 3 votes for $1m and so on.
>
> And why don't corporations and companies get a
> vote too. They sure pay plenty taxes.
Trevor
May 8, 2013, 2:18:18 AM5/8/13
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Trevor.
> Therefore every election is preceded by some form
> of pork-barrelling to bribe the vast bulk of
> voters and the poor thrifty few suffer.
So true, never the rich thrifty (or even rich non thrifty) though! :-(
> of pork-barrelling to bribe the vast bulk of
> voters and the poor thrifty few suffer.
Trevor.
Trevor
May 8, 2013, 2:21:48 AM5/8/13
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> what I love about discussions like this is that nobody considers
> themselves the great unwashed up there to be disenfranchised
Well you do realise ~90% of people consider themselves above average
> themselves the great unwashed up there to be disenfranchised
intelligence (and everything else, but obviously not mathematical ability
:-) and ~90% of people consider themselves "middle class" regardless of
their wealth :-)
Trevor.
Trevor
May 8, 2013, 2:23:55 AM5/8/13
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:-(
Trevor.
>> Voting in Australia has gone back to the days of the "lord" of the
>> borough voting for.
>> Checking "1" in the headline box does this
>> Without doing this it is an IQ test
>
> not a very hard one
Right, even donkey votes counted before they made it even easier for morons.
>> borough voting for.
>> Checking "1" in the headline box does this
>> Without doing this it is an IQ test
>
> not a very hard one
:-(
Trevor.
Wolfgang Wildeblood
May 8, 2013, 2:31:22 AM5/8/13
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Muslims, migrants, convicts, mental patients, homosexuals, dole
bludgers, people under 18 or anyone else shouldn't vote? No.
I asked shouldn't there be an objective test to determine people are
ready to perform their democratic responsibility? How safe would you
feel on the roads if we abolished driver's licences and substituted
just a general rule that no-one under 17 could drive, and everyone
over 17 could drive? Would you get on a commercial airliner if the
pilots' only qualifications were their ages? Would you go to a doctor
who told you, "I never went to university, but it's okay, I'm over
25."?
Trevor
May 8, 2013, 2:34:01 AM5/8/13
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(is the LNP = Liars, Nutbags and Prats?)
> Everybody should get 1 vote & then if you pay more than $100k in tax, you
> should get 2 votes, 3 votes for $1m and so on. That way if you are
> super-rich but expert at tax avoidance, you get no extra votes. Those that
> pay more tax get more say over how it is spent. Lazy bludgers get less.
And those who work really hard for a pittance get less than those who think
> should get 2 votes, 3 votes for $1m and so on. That way if you are
> super-rich but expert at tax avoidance, you get no extra votes. Those that
> pay more tax get more say over how it is spent. Lazy bludgers get less.
they own all of Australia's resources. Oh wait, they don't pay any tax, so
maybe you're on to something.
Of course you'd have to include GST, and all other taxes, levy's,
surcharges, duties etc. Might be a hell of a job!
> Dole cheats & criminals should be disenfranchised - unlike ALP policy
> which is to put them in parliament.
Trevor.
Trevor
May 8, 2013, 2:38:30 AM5/8/13
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government handouts than they pay in tax. :-(
Many multinationals pay little if any company tax here. And even those who
do pay a lower rate than most Australian workers :-(
Trevor.
> And why don't corporations and companies get a
> vote too. They sure pay plenty taxes.
Many of them don't. Some of them (like Facebook) get *far* more in
> vote too. They sure pay plenty taxes.
government handouts than they pay in tax. :-(
Many multinationals pay little if any company tax here. And even those who
do pay a lower rate than most Australian workers :-(
Trevor.
Wolfgang Wildeblood
May 8, 2013, 2:39:31 AM5/8/13
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On May 8, 2:34 pm, "Trevor" <tre...@home.net> wrote:
> Of course you'd have to include GST, and all other taxes, levy's,
> surcharges, duties etc. Might be a hell of a job!
The plural of levy is levies, like the plural of dummy is dummies.
> Of course you'd have to include GST, and all other taxes, levy's,
> surcharges, duties etc. Might be a hell of a job!
Dechucka
May 8, 2013, 2:54:36 AM5/8/13
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===========================
at the moment there is a vote by anyone over 18 ( with a few exceptions ) by
bringing in a test you will by definition disenfranchise people
at the moment there is a vote by anyone over 18 ( with a few exceptions ) by
bringing in a test you will by definition disenfranchise people
Dechucka
May 8, 2013, 2:56:37 AM5/8/13
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like the plural of dummy is dummies.
=============================
really I thought it was Wolfgang Wildeblood :-)
On May 8, 2:34 pm, "Trevor" <tre...@home.net> wrote:
> Of course you'd have to include GST, and all other taxes, levy's,
> surcharges, duties etc. Might be a hell of a job!
snip
> Of course you'd have to include GST, and all other taxes, levy's,
> surcharges, duties etc. Might be a hell of a job!
like the plural of dummy is dummies.
really I thought it was Wolfgang Wildeblood :-)
ALP = Arrogance, Lies & Pretence
May 8, 2013, 3:09:11 AM5/8/13
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that guy, Minister of Roads who didn't have one either. Both ALP of course.
ALP = Arrogance, Lies & Pretence
May 8, 2013, 3:12:17 AM5/8/13
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On 8/05/2013 4:34 PM, Trevor wrote:
> "ALP = Arrogance, Lies & Pretence" <bjfost...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in
> message news:auu6p8...@mid.individual.net...
> (is the LNP = Liars, Nutbags and Prats?)
>> Everybody should get 1 vote & then if you pay more than $100k in tax, you
>> should get 2 votes, 3 votes for $1m and so on. That way if you are
>> super-rich but expert at tax avoidance, you get no extra votes. Those that
>> pay more tax get more say over how it is spent. Lazy bludgers get less.
>
> And those who work really hard for a pittance get less than those who think
> they own all of Australia's resources. Oh wait, they don't pay any tax, so
> maybe you're on to something.
Yes, maybe eh?
> "ALP = Arrogance, Lies & Pretence" <bjfost...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in
> message news:auu6p8...@mid.individual.net...
> (is the LNP = Liars, Nutbags and Prats?)
>> Everybody should get 1 vote & then if you pay more than $100k in tax, you
>> should get 2 votes, 3 votes for $1m and so on. That way if you are
>> super-rich but expert at tax avoidance, you get no extra votes. Those that
>> pay more tax get more say over how it is spent. Lazy bludgers get less.
>
> And those who work really hard for a pittance get less than those who think
> they own all of Australia's resources. Oh wait, they don't pay any tax, so
> maybe you're on to something.
As in "That way if you are super-rich but expert at tax avoidance, you
get no extra votes"
> Of course you'd have to include GST, and all other taxes, levy's,
> surcharges, duties etc. Might be a hell of a job!
>
>
>> Dole cheats & criminals should be disenfranchised - unlike ALP policy
>> which is to put them in parliament.
>
> Plenty of those on both sides of politics unfortunately :-(
>
> Trevor.
ALP = Arrogance, Lies & Pretence
May 8, 2013, 3:13:04 AM5/8/13
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Dechucka
May 8, 2013, 3:48:31 AM5/8/13
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and the problem with that is what?
Dechucka
May 8, 2013, 3:49:47 AM5/8/13
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> On 8/05/2013 4:39 PM, Wolfgang Wildeblood wrote:
>> On May 8, 2:34 pm, "Trevor" <tre...@home.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Of course you'd have to include GST, and all other taxes, levy's,
>>> surcharges, duties etc. Might be a hell of a job!
>>
>> The plural of levy is levies, like the plural of dummy is dummies.
>>
>
> Nope. The plural of 'dummy' is Australian Labor Party.
17 minutes late, jokes been made
>> On May 8, 2:34 pm, "Trevor" <tre...@home.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Of course you'd have to include GST, and all other taxes, levy's,
>>> surcharges, duties etc. Might be a hell of a job!
>>
>> The plural of levy is levies, like the plural of dummy is dummies.
>>
>
> Nope. The plural of 'dummy' is Australian Labor Party.
Dechucka
May 8, 2013, 3:55:15 AM5/8/13
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snip
Why do you lead with your chin and make such a fool of yourself
>> Plenty of those on both sides of politics unfortunately :-(
>
> Rubbish. Where are the criminals on the other side?
Cobb, Packard, Austin, Lane, Harvey, Parker, O'Connor etc
>
> Rubbish. Where are the criminals on the other side?
Why do you lead with your chin and make such a fool of yourself
HD
May 8, 2013, 5:08:44 AM5/8/13
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The rich pay all taxes to get the votes and after the election the first law
is
for the rich to pay no tax.
That is typical conservatives.
> On 8/05/2013 4:34 PM, Trevor wrote:
>> "ALP = Arrogance, Lies & Pretence" <bjfost...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in
>> message news:auu6p8...@mid.individual.net...
>> (is the LNP = Liars, Nutbags and Prats?)
>>> Everybody should get 1 vote & then if you pay more than $100k in tax,
>>> you
>>> should get 2 votes, 3 votes for $1m and so on. That way if you are
>>> super-rich but expert at tax avoidance, you get no extra votes. Those
>>> that
>>> pay more tax get more say over how it is spent. Lazy bludgers get less.
>>
>> And those who work really hard for a pittance get less than those who
>> think
>> they own all of Australia's resources. Oh wait, they don't pay any tax,
>> so
>> maybe you're on to something.
>
> Yes, maybe eh?
>
> As in "That way if you are super-rich but expert at tax avoidance, you get
> no extra votes"
Don't you know how it works?
>> "ALP = Arrogance, Lies & Pretence" <bjfost...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in
>> message news:auu6p8...@mid.individual.net...
>> (is the LNP = Liars, Nutbags and Prats?)
>>> Everybody should get 1 vote & then if you pay more than $100k in tax,
>>> you
>>> should get 2 votes, 3 votes for $1m and so on. That way if you are
>>> super-rich but expert at tax avoidance, you get no extra votes. Those
>>> that
>>> pay more tax get more say over how it is spent. Lazy bludgers get less.
>>
>> And those who work really hard for a pittance get less than those who
>> think
>> they own all of Australia's resources. Oh wait, they don't pay any tax,
>> so
>> maybe you're on to something.
>
> Yes, maybe eh?
>
> As in "That way if you are super-rich but expert at tax avoidance, you get
> no extra votes"
The rich pay all taxes to get the votes and after the election the first law
is
for the rich to pay no tax.
That is typical conservatives.
Julia...@alp.org.au
May 8, 2013, 5:21:22 AM5/8/13
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On Wed, 8 May 2013 19:08:44 +1000 HD stated:-
And that is how it should be.
>
>
Sylvia Else
May 8, 2013, 5:23:38 AM5/8/13
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On 8/05/2013 1:42 PM, Wolfgang Wildeblood wrote:
> All this chatter this morning about "retards" voting has me wondering
> why we accept a universal voting entitlement beginning at age 18.
> Wouldn't we be better off if there were some kind of objective test to
> pass to qualify for voting entitlement? Surely we could devise a test
> of intellectual and emotional maturity that revealed whether one was
> at least as grown-up as the average 18-year old person, and excluded
> those who were not?
>
That's such a fundamental change that it would need to be voted on, and
> All this chatter this morning about "retards" voting has me wondering
> why we accept a universal voting entitlement beginning at age 18.
> Wouldn't we be better off if there were some kind of objective test to
> pass to qualify for voting entitlement? Surely we could devise a test
> of intellectual and emotional maturity that revealed whether one was
> at least as grown-up as the average 18-year old person, and excluded
> those who were not?
>
how should we decide who's allowed to vote on it?
Sylvia.
HD
May 8, 2013, 5:32:34 AM5/8/13
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Wolfgang Wildeblood
May 8, 2013, 6:10:04 AM5/8/13
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parliaments decide who can vote, using normal legislation. At the
moment, anyone over 18 years can vote. You can thank Gough Whitlam for
that, previously folks had to be 21 to to vote. A change to require
them to have a mental age of 18 and at least a basic understanding of
what they were doing, not just a physical age of 18, would be less of
a change.
bringyagrogalong
May 8, 2013, 6:21:52 AM5/8/13
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Wolfgang Wildeblood <wolfgangwildebl...@gmail.com> wrote:
I think the people who should be undertaking an IQ test should be
those over the age of sixty which is Alan Jones' demographic.
It were up to me I'd prevent all those demented geriatrics from voting.
those over the age of sixty which is Alan Jones' demographic.
It were up to me I'd prevent all those demented geriatrics from voting.
Sylvia Else
May 8, 2013, 6:33:10 AM5/8/13
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On 8/05/2013 8:10 PM, Wolfgang Wildeblood wrote:
> On May 8, 5:23 pm, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.at.this.address> wrote:
>> On 8/05/2013 1:42 PM, Wolfgang Wildeblood wrote:
>>
>>> All this chatter this morning about "retards" voting has me wondering
>>> why we accept a universal voting entitlement beginning at age 18.
>>> Wouldn't we be better off if there were some kind of objective test to
>>> pass to qualify for voting entitlement? Surely we could devise a test
>>> of intellectual and emotional maturity that revealed whether one was
>>> at least as grown-up as the average 18-year old person, and excluded
>>> those who were not?
>>
>> That's such a fundamental change that it would need to be voted on, and
>> how should we decide who's allowed to vote on it?
>>
>> Sylvia.
>
> You're wrong if you're implying it would need a referendum;
I didn't mean legally, but as a matter of democratic process.
> On May 8, 5:23 pm, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.at.this.address> wrote:
>> On 8/05/2013 1:42 PM, Wolfgang Wildeblood wrote:
>>
>>> All this chatter this morning about "retards" voting has me wondering
>>> why we accept a universal voting entitlement beginning at age 18.
>>> Wouldn't we be better off if there were some kind of objective test to
>>> pass to qualify for voting entitlement? Surely we could devise a test
>>> of intellectual and emotional maturity that revealed whether one was
>>> at least as grown-up as the average 18-year old person, and excluded
>>> those who were not?
>>
>> That's such a fundamental change that it would need to be voted on, and
>> how should we decide who's allowed to vote on it?
>>
>> Sylvia.
>
> You're wrong if you're implying it would need a referendum;
Sylvia.
Wolfgang Wildeblood
May 8, 2013, 7:01:24 AM5/8/13
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Richard Court and Dr Geoff didn't bother with a referendum when they
decided to give themselves four year terms instead of three. Dickhead
Barnett didn't bother with a referendum when he decided we'd have a
yankee-style fixed election date. The public didn't complain about any
of these self-serving changes by the politicians. Our democratic
process doesn't work. I dunno why people suddenly get bashful when
someone wants to discuss ways it might be improved, instead of further
corrupted.
Petzl
May 8, 2013, 8:02:26 AM5/8/13
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--
Petzl
Christian Democratic Party
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxVMqgmkkYc
ALP = Arrogance, Lies & Pretence
May 8, 2013, 8:35:29 AM5/8/13
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Here is the proposal again:
Everybody should get 1 vote & then if you pay more than $100k in tax,
you should get 2 votes, 3 votes for $1m and so on".
HD the bludger, the bloke who works for a living and the rich bloke all
you should get 2 votes, 3 votes for $1m and so on".
get 1 vote, for free.
I have to pay $100k for my 2nd vote and the rich bloke has to pay $900k
for his/her 3rd vote. Packer/Rinehard have to pay $90,000k for their 4th
vote.
This scheme is grossly unfair - yet HD is *still* complaining!
It just goes to show, no matter how much you bend over backward to help
bludgers (or asylum seekers), they want more. A bludger is a bludger is
a bludger.
Sylvia Else
May 8, 2013, 8:36:39 AM5/8/13
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Sylvia.
ALP = Arrogance, Lies & Pretence
May 8, 2013, 8:37:03 AM5/8/13
to
ALP = Arrogance, Lies & Pretence
May 8, 2013, 8:38:32 AM5/8/13
to
about 3.
HD
May 8, 2013, 9:51:49 AM5/8/13
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message news:auuv4f...@mid.individual.net...
A bludger is someone like Gina Rinehard who lives off the sweat of others.
Gordon Levi
May 8, 2013, 10:50:14 AM5/8/13
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Wolfgang Wildeblood <wolfgangw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>All this chatter this morning about "retards" voting has me wondering
>why we accept a universal voting entitlement beginning at age 18.
>Wouldn't we be better off if there were some kind of objective test to
>pass to qualify for voting entitlement? Surely we could devise a test
>of intellectual and emotional maturity that revealed whether one was
>at least as grown-up as the average 18-year old person, and excluded
>those who were not?
Tell us the first two questions and answers for your "objective test".
>All this chatter this morning about "retards" voting has me wondering
>why we accept a universal voting entitlement beginning at age 18.
>Wouldn't we be better off if there were some kind of objective test to
>pass to qualify for voting entitlement? Surely we could devise a test
>of intellectual and emotional maturity that revealed whether one was
>at least as grown-up as the average 18-year old person, and excluded
>those who were not?
ALP = Arrogance, Lies & Pretence
May 8, 2013, 4:44:33 PM5/8/13
to
should probably be disqualified.
Julia...@alp.org.au
May 8, 2013, 6:46:31 PM5/8/13
to
On Wed, 8 May 2013 03:21:52 -0700 (PDT) bringnobrainalong, closet
homosexual, pedophile, Emetophiliac, Russian "kozel", "nekulturny" and
"pidar", token uncultured wog and resident buffoon, Liar, Hitler
admirer and Nazi, Russian draft evader and craven coward
<pres...@manloveboy.org> dribbled garbage as usual:
>It were up to me
The only thing "up to you", is a big dildo shoved up your arse by your
gay lover, you filthy doughnut puncher.
homosexual, pedophile, Emetophiliac, Russian "kozel", "nekulturny" and
"pidar", token uncultured wog and resident buffoon, Liar, Hitler
admirer and Nazi, Russian draft evader and craven coward
<pres...@manloveboy.org> dribbled garbage as usual:
>It were up to me
gay lover, you filthy doughnut puncher.
Dechucka
May 8, 2013, 8:01:56 PM5/8/13
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<Julia...@ALP.org.au> wrote in message
news:av030m...@mid.individual.net...
anyone to become PM
Julia...@alp.org.au
May 8, 2013, 8:24:12 PM5/8/13
to
On Thu, 9 May 2013 10:01:56 +1000 Dechucka stated:-
>You'd enjoy that with Jones wouldn't you and we know Abbot would do it
>with anyone to become PM
Time for you to come out, Dead Fucka!
>You'd enjoy that with Jones wouldn't you and we know Abbot would do it
>with anyone to become PM
Dechucka
May 8, 2013, 8:59:57 PM5/8/13
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Wolfgang Wildeblood
May 8, 2013, 10:10:31 PM5/8/13
to
On May 8, 10:50 pm, Gordon Levi <gor...@address.invalid> wrote:
I doubt I could create an objective test, that's why I was asking the
opinions of Sylvia or Anybody Else.
I can think of one obvious question, though. Name your current
representative in parliament. People who don't even know who their
current MHR is aren't in a position to say whether he is or isn't
doing a god job representing their interests.
opinions of Sylvia or Anybody Else.
I can think of one obvious question, though. Name your current
representative in parliament. People who don't even know who their
current MHR is aren't in a position to say whether he is or isn't
doing a god job representing their interests.
Dechucka
May 8, 2013, 10:35:00 PM5/8/13
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"Wolfgang Wildeblood" <wolfgangw...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Bod Hawke isn't in Parliment so I doubt that anyone in parliment is doing a
god job. BTW most people vote for a party rather than a representative which
is wrong imho. Old Shultz had done a good job in my electorate so was
getting my vote
bringyagrogalong
May 9, 2013, 1:21:08 AM5/9/13
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"Dechucka" <Dechuck...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Wolfgang Wildeblood" <wolfgangwildebl...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Dechucka just disenfranchised himself based on that woeful display of
ignorance.
This is the bloke who was getting his vote for "doing a good job":
Alby Schultz was one of the seven Liberal Party politicians who
boycotted Parliament on the day that the formal apology to the Stolen
Generations was made by Prime Minister Kevin Rudd.
On 29 August 2010 Schultz appeared on the front page of the Sunday
Telegraph detailing his threats to two independent MPs in the Federal
Parliament urging them to make a decision on which party they would
support".
In June 2009 Schultz was involved in a physical confrontation with
one of his Liberal parliamentary colleagues in a party room meeting
in Parliament House. He had been angered by a remark made by Chris
Pearce, the member for Aston in Victoria, during a debate about
whether the Liberal Party should run candidates against National
Party MPs. Schultz reportedly responded by grabbing Pearce around the
neck. He later apologised to Pearce and the entire party room for
the incident.
In short, a real piece of work.
Christ! Just what does Schultz have to do to lose your vote, Dechucka,
kill someone?
> "Wolfgang Wildeblood" <wolfgangwildebl...@gmail.com> wrote in message
ignorance.
This is the bloke who was getting his vote for "doing a good job":
Alby Schultz was one of the seven Liberal Party politicians who
boycotted Parliament on the day that the formal apology to the Stolen
Generations was made by Prime Minister Kevin Rudd.
On 29 August 2010 Schultz appeared on the front page of the Sunday
Telegraph detailing his threats to two independent MPs in the Federal
Parliament urging them to make a decision on which party they would
support".
In June 2009 Schultz was involved in a physical confrontation with
one of his Liberal parliamentary colleagues in a party room meeting
in Parliament House. He had been angered by a remark made by Chris
Pearce, the member for Aston in Victoria, during a debate about
whether the Liberal Party should run candidates against National
Party MPs. Schultz reportedly responded by grabbing Pearce around the
neck. He later apologised to Pearce and the entire party room for
the incident.
In short, a real piece of work.
Christ! Just what does Schultz have to do to lose your vote, Dechucka,
kill someone?
Peter Jason
May 9, 2013, 1:26:00 AM5/9/13
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On Wed, 8 May 2013 16:21:48 +1000, "Trevor"
<tre...@home.net> wrote:
>
>"Dechucka" <Dechu...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:G7SdnUiTxfTOQRTM...@westnet.com.au...
>> what I love about discussions like this is that nobody considers
>> themselves the great unwashed up there to be disenfranchised
>
>Well you do realise ~90% of people consider themselves above average
>intelligence (and everything else, but obviously not mathematical ability
>:-) and ~90% of people consider themselves "middle class" regardless of
>their wealth :-)
>
>Trevor.
if I were Prime Minister I'd tax SUVs off the
planet and re-introduce a luxury tax on relevant
goods. Like in the good old days. To suppress
drunkenness I'd re-introduce 6pm hotel closing and
ban daylight saving. If young people got more
sleep they could work harder. An overall import
tax of 7.5% would ameliorate the distressing
decline of Oz manufacturing and encourage
investment here.
<tre...@home.net> wrote:
>
>"Dechucka" <Dechu...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:G7SdnUiTxfTOQRTM...@westnet.com.au...
>> what I love about discussions like this is that nobody considers
>> themselves the great unwashed up there to be disenfranchised
>
>Well you do realise ~90% of people consider themselves above average
>intelligence (and everything else, but obviously not mathematical ability
>:-) and ~90% of people consider themselves "middle class" regardless of
>their wealth :-)
>
>Trevor.
if I were Prime Minister I'd tax SUVs off the
planet and re-introduce a luxury tax on relevant
goods. Like in the good old days. To suppress
drunkenness I'd re-introduce 6pm hotel closing and
ban daylight saving. If young people got more
sleep they could work harder. An overall import
tax of 7.5% would ameliorate the distressing
decline of Oz manufacturing and encourage
investment here.
Dechucka
May 9, 2013, 2:15:58 AM5/9/13
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"Peter Jason" <p...@jostle.com> wrote in message
news:1acmo8lmq7ibcebll...@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 8 May 2013 16:21:48 +1000, "Trevor"
> <tre...@home.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Dechucka" <Dechu...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:G7SdnUiTxfTOQRTM...@westnet.com.au...
>>> what I love about discussions like this is that nobody considers
>>> themselves the great unwashed up there to be disenfranchised
>>
>>Well you do realise ~90% of people consider themselves above average
>>intelligence (and everything else, but obviously not mathematical ability
>>:-) and ~90% of people consider themselves "middle class" regardless of
>>their wealth :-)
>>
>>Trevor.
>
>
>
> if I were Prime Minister I'd tax SUVs off the
> planet and re-introduce a luxury tax on relevant
> goods.
Except for us country folk where a soft 4WD is an excellent vehicle ( 8kms
> <tre...@home.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Dechucka" <Dechu...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:G7SdnUiTxfTOQRTM...@westnet.com.au...
>>> what I love about discussions like this is that nobody considers
>>> themselves the great unwashed up there to be disenfranchised
>>
>>Well you do realise ~90% of people consider themselves above average
>>intelligence (and everything else, but obviously not mathematical ability
>>:-) and ~90% of people consider themselves "middle class" regardless of
>>their wealth :-)
>>
>>Trevor.
>
>
>
> if I were Prime Minister I'd tax SUVs off the
> planet and re-introduce a luxury tax on relevant
> goods.
of dirt to the expressway). Luxury tax? Why not lets them eat Maccaas
>Like in the good old days. To suppress
> drunkenness I'd re-introduce 6pm hotel closing and
> ban daylight saving. If young people got more
> sleep they could work harder.
>An overall import
> tax of 7.5% would ameliorate the distressing
> decline of Oz manufacturing and encourage
> investment here.
You're making Abbott look good
Dechucka
May 9, 2013, 2:16:57 AM5/9/13
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"bringyagrogalong" <sof...@aapt.net.au> wrote in message
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but he does a good job for his electorate
bringyagrogalong
May 9, 2013, 2:24:50 AM5/9/13
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"Dechucka" <Dechuck...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "bringyagrogalong" <sof...@aapt.net.au> wrote in message
> "bringyagrogalong" <sof...@aapt.net.au> wrote in message
You're beyond help.
Julia...@alp.org.au
May 9, 2013, 5:27:32 AM5/9/13
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On Wed, 8 May 2013 22:21:08 -0700 (PDT) bringnobrainalong, closet
homosexual, pedophile, Emetophiliac, Russian "kozel", "nekulturny" and
"pidar", token uncultured wog and resident buffoon, Liar, Hitler
admirer and Nazi, Russian draft evader and craven coward
<pres...@manloveboy.org> dribbled garbage as usual:
"pidar", token uncultured wog and resident buffoon, Liar, Hitler
admirer and Nazi, Russian draft evader and craven coward
<pres...@manloveboy.org> dribbled garbage as usual:
>Alby Schultz was one of the seven Liberal Party politicians who
>boycotted Parliament on the day that the formal apology to the Stolen
>Generations was made by Prime Minister Kevin Rudd.
Can you tell us how that worked out for the Aborigines again?
>boycotted Parliament on the day that the formal apology to the Stolen
>Generations was made by Prime Minister Kevin Rudd.
Dechucka
May 9, 2013, 5:45:41 AM5/9/13
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Julia...@alp.org.au
May 9, 2013, 6:02:19 AM5/9/13
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On Thu, 9 May 2013 19:45:41 +1000 Dechucka stated:-
Details how their life has improved etc. please.
"Very well" just doesn't cut it.
"Very well" just doesn't cut it.
Dechucka
May 9, 2013, 7:26:35 AM5/9/13
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<Julia...@ALP.org.au> wrote in message
news:av1aij...@mid.individual.net...
other outcome was it meant to have?
bringyagrogalong
May 9, 2013, 7:42:27 AM5/9/13
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"Dechucka" <Dechuck...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Tranny <uneducated.galah...@never finished school> babbled:
> Tranny <uneducated.galah...@never finished school> babbled:
> > bringyagrogalong <sof...@aapt.net.au> wrote:
> >>
> >> Alby Schultz was one of the seven Liberal Party politicians who
> >> boycotted Parliament on the day that the formal apology to the Stolen
> >> Generations was made by Prime Minister Kevin Rudd.
>
> > Can you tell us how that worked out for the Aborigines again?
>
> Very well
So why do you continue to vote for Herr Schultz?
> >>
> >> Alby Schultz was one of the seven Liberal Party politicians who
> >> boycotted Parliament on the day that the formal apology to the Stolen
> >> Generations was made by Prime Minister Kevin Rudd.
>
> > Can you tell us how that worked out for the Aborigines again?
>
> Very well
Dechucka
May 9, 2013, 4:05:49 PM5/9/13
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news:fa2714e4-fb05-4aba...@oy6g2000pbb.googlegroups.com...
just for you I won't
Peter Jason
May 9, 2013, 7:52:50 PM5/9/13
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On Thu, 9 May 2013 16:15:58 +1000, "Dechucka"
<Dechu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"Peter Jason" <p...@jostle.com> wrote in message
>news:1acmo8lmq7ibcebll...@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 8 May 2013 16:21:48 +1000, "Trevor"
>> <tre...@home.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Dechucka" <Dechu...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:G7SdnUiTxfTOQRTM...@westnet.com.au...
>>>> what I love about discussions like this is that nobody considers
>>>> themselves the great unwashed up there to be disenfranchised
>>>
>>>Well you do realise ~90% of people consider themselves above average
>>>intelligence (and everything else, but obviously not mathematical ability
>>>:-) and ~90% of people consider themselves "middle class" regardless of
>>>their wealth :-)
>>>
>>>Trevor.
>>
>>
>>
>> if I were Prime Minister I'd tax SUVs off the
>> planet and re-introduce a luxury tax on relevant
>> goods.
>
>Except for us country folk where a soft 4WD is an excellent vehicle ( 8kms
>of dirt to the expressway). Luxury tax? Why not lets them eat Maccaas
Yes except for country folk who drive on dirt
<Dechu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"Peter Jason" <p...@jostle.com> wrote in message
>news:1acmo8lmq7ibcebll...@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 8 May 2013 16:21:48 +1000, "Trevor"
>> <tre...@home.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Dechucka" <Dechu...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:G7SdnUiTxfTOQRTM...@westnet.com.au...
>>>> what I love about discussions like this is that nobody considers
>>>> themselves the great unwashed up there to be disenfranchised
>>>
>>>Well you do realise ~90% of people consider themselves above average
>>>intelligence (and everything else, but obviously not mathematical ability
>>>:-) and ~90% of people consider themselves "middle class" regardless of
>>>their wealth :-)
>>>
>>>Trevor.
>>
>>
>>
>> if I were Prime Minister I'd tax SUVs off the
>> planet and re-introduce a luxury tax on relevant
>> goods.
>
>Except for us country folk where a soft 4WD is an excellent vehicle ( 8kms
>of dirt to the expressway). Luxury tax? Why not lets them eat Maccaas
roads. Of course the next enlightened government
would create an SUV police to make sure the
yuppies aren't fudging the system.
>
>>Like in the good old days. To suppress
>> drunkenness I'd re-introduce 6pm hotel closing and
>
>How will that stop drunkeness except at pubs?
It will make it harder to buy booze. Of course
>>Like in the good old days. To suppress
>> drunkenness I'd re-introduce 6pm hotel closing and
>
>How will that stop drunkeness except at pubs?
supermarkets & bulk sellers would need the same
rules. Now that cigarettes are all but
proscribed, there's hope for grog too.
>
>> ban daylight saving. If young people got more
>> sleep they could work harder.
>
>How does daylight saving effects the number of hours one sleeps?
Have you ever jet-lagged twice a year because of
>> ban daylight saving. If young people got more
>> sleep they could work harder.
>
>How does daylight saving effects the number of hours one sleeps?
this left-wing hippie/yuppie daylight "saving"?
Have you ever fumbled over re-setting the myriad
of clocks and electronic gizmos? Have you ever
lost business because of time differences between
the errant southern states and the enlightened
northern ones? Has anyone done a cost estimate to
see where the "saving" comes in? Have you ever
considered how bowel and other body functions are
dependent on daylight cycles? Have you ever
thought at all?
>
>>An overall import
>> tax of 7.5% would ameliorate the distressing
>> decline of Oz manufacturing and encourage
>> investment here.
>
>bugger up our exports as other countries retaliate.
You mean after they have stopped rolling on the
>>An overall import
>> tax of 7.5% would ameliorate the distressing
>> decline of Oz manufacturing and encourage
>> investment here.
>
>bugger up our exports as other countries retaliate.
ground laughing at us now? Overseas they have
umpteen secret ways of protection to protect their
voters. Like the stupid carbon tax Gillard
stuffed up with India, USA, China, Russia ignoring
the bullshit. Have you noticed that everything
here is deregulated except wages? Need I say
more?
>You're making Abbott look good
that latter-day Helen of Troy who launched a
thousand boats, with still more awaiting in the
bribery capital of the earth, Indonesia.
Gods have mercy on us..!
Peter Jason
May 9, 2013, 7:58:54 PM5/9/13
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the RESCUED GENERATION. Someone went to the
trouble of extracting them from their stone-age
drunken mothers and then bringing them up. Their
"aboriginality" contemporaries snuffed it.
Dechucka
May 9, 2013, 8:04:17 PM5/9/13
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news:2lcoo8po324hivu18...@4ax.com...
black or brown shirts for them
>>
>>>Like in the good old days. To suppress
>>> drunkenness I'd re-introduce 6pm hotel closing and
>>
>>How will that stop drunkeness except at pubs?
>
> It will make it harder to buy booze. Of course
> supermarkets & bulk sellers would need the same
> rules. Now that cigarettes are all but
> proscribed, there's hope for grog too.
You can still easily get cigerrettes so that argument is void
>>
>>> ban daylight saving. If young people got more
>>> sleep they could work harder.
>>
>>How does daylight saving effects the number of hours one sleeps?
>
> Have you ever jet-lagged twice a year because of
> this left-wing hippie/yuppie daylight "saving"?
> Have you ever fumbled over re-setting the myriad
> of clocks and electronic gizmos? Have you ever
> lost business because of time differences between
> the errant southern states and the enlightened
> northern ones? Has anyone done a cost estimate to
> see where the "saving" comes in? Have you ever
> considered how bowel and other body functions are
> dependent on daylight cycles? Have you ever
> thought at all?
No and neither have my cutains faded or the chooks stop laying
>>
>>>An overall import
>>> tax of 7.5% would ameliorate the distressing
>>> decline of Oz manufacturing and encourage
>>> investment here.
>>
>>bugger up our exports as other countries retaliate.
>
> You mean after they have stopped rolling on the
> ground laughing at us now? Overseas they have
> umpteen secret ways of protection to protect their
> voters. Like the stupid carbon tax Gillard
> stuffed up with India, USA, China, Russia ignoring
> the bullshit. Have you noticed that everything
> here is deregulated except wages? Need I say
> more?
go for it and this time try and make sense
-
>>
>>>Like in the good old days. To suppress
>>> drunkenness I'd re-introduce 6pm hotel closing and
>>
>>How will that stop drunkeness except at pubs?
>
> It will make it harder to buy booze. Of course
> supermarkets & bulk sellers would need the same
> rules. Now that cigarettes are all but
> proscribed, there's hope for grog too.
>>
>>> ban daylight saving. If young people got more
>>> sleep they could work harder.
>>
>>How does daylight saving effects the number of hours one sleeps?
>
> Have you ever jet-lagged twice a year because of
> this left-wing hippie/yuppie daylight "saving"?
> Have you ever fumbled over re-setting the myriad
> of clocks and electronic gizmos? Have you ever
> lost business because of time differences between
> the errant southern states and the enlightened
> northern ones? Has anyone done a cost estimate to
> see where the "saving" comes in? Have you ever
> considered how bowel and other body functions are
> dependent on daylight cycles? Have you ever
> thought at all?
>>
>>>An overall import
>>> tax of 7.5% would ameliorate the distressing
>>> decline of Oz manufacturing and encourage
>>> investment here.
>>
>>bugger up our exports as other countries retaliate.
>
> You mean after they have stopped rolling on the
> ground laughing at us now? Overseas they have
> umpteen secret ways of protection to protect their
> voters. Like the stupid carbon tax Gillard
> stuffed up with India, USA, China, Russia ignoring
> the bullshit. Have you noticed that everything
> here is deregulated except wages? Need I say
> more?
-
>
>
>>You're making Abbott look good
>
> A brown dog could run Oz better than Gillard,
> that latter-day Helen of Troy who launched a
> thousand boats, with still more awaiting in the
> bribery capital of the earth, Indonesia.
>
> Gods have mercy on us..!
lol, you're making Abbott look great
>
>>You're making Abbott look good
>
> A brown dog could run Oz better than Gillard,
> that latter-day Helen of Troy who launched a
> thousand boats, with still more awaiting in the
> bribery capital of the earth, Indonesia.
>
> Gods have mercy on us..!
Dechucka
May 9, 2013, 8:04:53 PM5/9/13
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Peter Jason
May 9, 2013, 9:04:13 PM5/9/13
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Jeeezuz....!
Dechucka
May 9, 2013, 10:21:37 PM5/9/13
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news:arhoo8tbpj18seh7c...@4ax.com...
You're a sheep.
Please further your case
>
> Jeeezuz....!
Please further your case
>
> Jeeezuz....!
bringyagrogalong
May 10, 2013, 3:39:40 AM5/10/13
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"Dechucka" <Dechuck...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "bringyagrogalong" <sof...@aapt.net.au> wrote in message
> "bringyagrogalong" <sof...@aapt.net.au> wrote in message
> > "Dechucka" <Dechuck...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> Tranny <uneducated.galah...@never finished school> babbled:
> >> > bringyagrogalong <sof...@aapt.net.au> wrote:
>
> >> >> Alby Schultz was one of the seven Liberal Party politicians who
> >> >> boycotted Parliament on the day that the formal apology to the Stolen
> >> >> Generations was made by Prime Minister Kevin Rudd.
>
> >> > Can you tell us how that worked out for the Aborigines again?
>
> >> Very well
>
> > So why do you continue to vote for Herr Schultz?
>
> just for you I won't
I'm glad my contribution to this newsgroup has made you see the error
> >> Tranny <uneducated.galah...@never finished school> babbled:
> >> > bringyagrogalong <sof...@aapt.net.au> wrote:
>
> >> >> Alby Schultz was one of the seven Liberal Party politicians who
> >> >> boycotted Parliament on the day that the formal apology to the Stolen
> >> >> Generations was made by Prime Minister Kevin Rudd.
>
> >> > Can you tell us how that worked out for the Aborigines again?
>
> >> Very well
>
> > So why do you continue to vote for Herr Schultz?
>
> just for you I won't
of your ways.
Dechucka
May 10, 2013, 4:44:45 AM5/10/13
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Actually he isn't running
bringyagrogalong
May 10, 2013, 4:53:37 AM5/10/13
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"Dechucka" <Dechuck...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "bringyagrogalong" <sof...@aapt.net.au> wrote in message
> > "Dechucka" <Dechuck...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> "bringyagrogalong" <sof...@aapt.net.au> wrote in message
> >> > "Dechucka" <Dechuck...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> Tranny <uneducated.galah...@never finished school> babbled:
> >> >> > bringyagrogalong <sof...@aapt.net.au> wrote:
>
> >> >> >> Alby Schultz was one of the seven Liberal Party politicians who
> >> >> >> boycotted Parliament on the day that the formal apology to the
> >> >> >> Stolen Generations was made by Prime Minister Kevin Rudd.
>
> >> >> > Can you tell us how that worked out for the Aborigines again?
>
> >> >> Very well
>
> >> > So why do you continue to vote for Herr Schultz?
>
> >> just for you I won't
>
> > I'm glad my contribution to this newsgroup has made you see the error
> > of your ways.
>
> Actually he isn't running
What a slap in the face for a rusted on Lib like you who blindly voted
> "bringyagrogalong" <sof...@aapt.net.au> wrote in message
> > "Dechucka" <Dechuck...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> "bringyagrogalong" <sof...@aapt.net.au> wrote in message
> >> > "Dechucka" <Dechuck...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> Tranny <uneducated.galah...@never finished school> babbled:
> >> >> > bringyagrogalong <sof...@aapt.net.au> wrote:
>
> >> >> >> Alby Schultz was one of the seven Liberal Party politicians who
> >> >> >> boycotted Parliament on the day that the formal apology to the
> >> >> >> Stolen Generations was made by Prime Minister Kevin Rudd.
>
> >> >> > Can you tell us how that worked out for the Aborigines again?
>
> >> >> Very well
>
> >> > So why do you continue to vote for Herr Schultz?
>
> >> just for you I won't
>
> > I'm glad my contribution to this newsgroup has made you see the error
> > of your ways.
>
> Actually he isn't running
for him for all those years.
Surely he should acknowledge your unswerving devotion in consistently
helping to elect Coalition governments.
Perhaps a plaque of some sort wouldn't be out of order?
F Murtz
May 10, 2013, 8:55:59 AM5/10/13
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HD wrote:
>
> "ALP = Arrogance, Lies & Pretence" <bjfost...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in
> message news:auuv4f...@mid.individual.net...
>> On 8/05/2013 7:21 PM, Julia...@ALP.org.au wrote:
>>> On Wed, 8 May 2013 19:08:44 +1000 HD stated:-
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "ALP = Arrogance, Lies & Pretence" <bjfost...@yahoo.com.au> wrote
>>>> in message news:auuc6d...@mid.individual.net...
>>>>> On 8/05/2013 4:34 PM, Trevor wrote:
>>>>>> "ALP = Arrogance, Lies & Pretence" <bjfost...@yahoo.com.au>
>>>>>> wrote in message news:auu6p8...@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>> (is the LNP = Liars, Nutbags and Prats?)
>>>>>>> Everybody should get 1 vote & then if you pay more than $100k in
>>>>>>> tax, you
>>>>>>> should get 2 votes, 3 votes for $1m and so on. That way if you are
>>>>>>> super-rich but expert at tax avoidance, you get no extra votes.
>>>>>>> Those that
>>>>>>> pay more tax get more say over how it is spent. Lazy bludgers get
>>>>>>> less.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And those who work really hard for a pittance get less than those
>>>>>> who think
>>>>>> they own all of Australia's resources. Oh wait, they don't pay any
>>>>>> tax, so
>>>>>> maybe you're on to something.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, maybe eh?
>>>>>
>>>>> As in "That way if you are super-rich but expert at tax avoidance,
>>>>> you get no extra votes"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Don't you know how it works?
>>>> The rich pay all taxes to get the votes and after the election the
>>>> first law is
>>>> for the rich to pay no tax.
>>>> That is typical conservatives.
>>>
>>> And that is how it should be.
>>
>> The Labor monkey can't do arithmetic.
>>
>> Here is the proposal again:
>> Everybody should get 1 vote & then if you pay more than $100k in tax,
>> you should get 2 votes, 3 votes for $1m and so on".
>>
>> HD the bludger, the bloke who works for a living and the rich bloke
>> all get 1 vote, for free.
>>
>> I have to pay $100k for my 2nd vote and the rich bloke has to pay
>> $900k for his/her 3rd vote. Packer/Rinehard have to pay $90,000k for
>> their 4th vote.
>>
>> This scheme is grossly unfair - yet HD is *still* complaining!
>>
>> It just goes to show, no matter how much you bend over backward to
>> help bludgers (or asylum seekers), they want more. A bludger is a
>> bludger is a bludger.
>
> A bludger is someone like Gina Rinehard who lives off the sweat of others.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
If gina Rinehard and the like did not exist do you think the myriad
people she and they employ would have a job?
>
> "ALP = Arrogance, Lies & Pretence" <bjfost...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in
> message news:auuv4f...@mid.individual.net...
>> On 8/05/2013 7:21 PM, Julia...@ALP.org.au wrote:
>>> On Wed, 8 May 2013 19:08:44 +1000 HD stated:-
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "ALP = Arrogance, Lies & Pretence" <bjfost...@yahoo.com.au> wrote
>>>> in message news:auuc6d...@mid.individual.net...
>>>>> On 8/05/2013 4:34 PM, Trevor wrote:
>>>>>> "ALP = Arrogance, Lies & Pretence" <bjfost...@yahoo.com.au>
>>>>>> wrote in message news:auu6p8...@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>> (is the LNP = Liars, Nutbags and Prats?)
>>>>>>> Everybody should get 1 vote & then if you pay more than $100k in
>>>>>>> tax, you
>>>>>>> should get 2 votes, 3 votes for $1m and so on. That way if you are
>>>>>>> super-rich but expert at tax avoidance, you get no extra votes.
>>>>>>> Those that
>>>>>>> pay more tax get more say over how it is spent. Lazy bludgers get
>>>>>>> less.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And those who work really hard for a pittance get less than those
>>>>>> who think
>>>>>> they own all of Australia's resources. Oh wait, they don't pay any
>>>>>> tax, so
>>>>>> maybe you're on to something.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, maybe eh?
>>>>>
>>>>> As in "That way if you are super-rich but expert at tax avoidance,
>>>>> you get no extra votes"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Don't you know how it works?
>>>> The rich pay all taxes to get the votes and after the election the
>>>> first law is
>>>> for the rich to pay no tax.
>>>> That is typical conservatives.
>>>
>>> And that is how it should be.
>>
>> The Labor monkey can't do arithmetic.
>>
>> Here is the proposal again:
>> Everybody should get 1 vote & then if you pay more than $100k in tax,
>> you should get 2 votes, 3 votes for $1m and so on".
>>
>> HD the bludger, the bloke who works for a living and the rich bloke
>> all get 1 vote, for free.
>>
>> I have to pay $100k for my 2nd vote and the rich bloke has to pay
>> $900k for his/her 3rd vote. Packer/Rinehard have to pay $90,000k for
>> their 4th vote.
>>
>> This scheme is grossly unfair - yet HD is *still* complaining!
>>
>> It just goes to show, no matter how much you bend over backward to
>> help bludgers (or asylum seekers), they want more. A bludger is a
>> bludger is a bludger.
>
> A bludger is someone like Gina Rinehard who lives off the sweat of others.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
If gina Rinehard and the like did not exist do you think the myriad
people she and they employ would have a job?
HD
May 10, 2013, 9:12:11 AM5/10/13
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"F Murtz" <hag...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:kmiqi4$62b$1...@dont-email.me...
On the other hand,
If workers did not work for others, do you think Gina Rinehard had any
money?
ALP = Arrogance, Lies & Pretence
May 10, 2013, 2:19:17 PM5/10/13
to
On 10/05/2013 10:55 PM, F Murtz wrote:
> HD wrote:
>>
>> "ALP = Arrogance, Lies & Pretence" <bjfost...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in
>> message news:auuv4f...@mid.individual.net...
>>> On 8/05/2013 7:21 PM, Julia...@ALP.org.au wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 8 May 2013 19:08:44 +1000 HD stated:-
>>>>
...
> HD wrote:
>>
>> "ALP = Arrogance, Lies & Pretence" <bjfost...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in
>> message news:auuv4f...@mid.individual.net...
>>> On 8/05/2013 7:21 PM, Julia...@ALP.org.au wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 8 May 2013 19:08:44 +1000 HD stated:-
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't you know how it works?
>>>>> The rich pay all taxes to get the votes and after the election the
>>>>> first law is
>>>>> for the rich to pay no tax.
>>>>> That is typical conservatives.
>>>>
>>>> And that is how it should be.
>>>
>>> The Labor monkey can't do arithmetic.
>>>
>>> Here is the proposal again:
>>> Everybody should get 1 vote & then if you pay more than $100k in tax,
>>> you should get 2 votes, 3 votes for $1m and so on".
>>>
>>> HD the bludger, the bloke who works for a living and the rich bloke
>>> all get 1 vote, for free.
>>>
>>> I have to pay $100k for my 2nd vote and the rich bloke has to pay
>>> $900k for his/her 3rd vote. Packer/Rinehard have to pay $90,000k for
>>> their 4th vote.
>>>
>>> This scheme is grossly unfair - yet HD is *still* complaining!
>>>
>>> It just goes to show, no matter how much you bend over backward to
>>> help bludgers (or asylum seekers), they want more. A bludger is a
>>> bludger is a bludger.
>>
>> A bludger is someone like Gina Rinehard who lives off the sweat of
>> others.
>>
>>
> If gina Rinehard and the like did not exist do you think the myriad
> people she and they employ would have a job?
HD has it all sorted.
>>>>> Don't you know how it works?
>>>>> The rich pay all taxes to get the votes and after the election the
>>>>> first law is
>>>>> for the rich to pay no tax.
>>>>> That is typical conservatives.
>>>>
>>>> And that is how it should be.
>>>
>>> The Labor monkey can't do arithmetic.
>>>
>>> Here is the proposal again:
>>> Everybody should get 1 vote & then if you pay more than $100k in tax,
>>> you should get 2 votes, 3 votes for $1m and so on".
>>>
>>> HD the bludger, the bloke who works for a living and the rich bloke
>>> all get 1 vote, for free.
>>>
>>> I have to pay $100k for my 2nd vote and the rich bloke has to pay
>>> $900k for his/her 3rd vote. Packer/Rinehard have to pay $90,000k for
>>> their 4th vote.
>>>
>>> This scheme is grossly unfair - yet HD is *still* complaining!
>>>
>>> It just goes to show, no matter how much you bend over backward to
>>> help bludgers (or asylum seekers), they want more. A bludger is a
>>> bludger is a bludger.
>>
>> A bludger is someone like Gina Rinehard who lives off the sweat of
>> others.
>>
>>
> If gina Rinehard and the like did not exist do you think the myriad
> people she and they employ would have a job?
One would become an accountant, 3 would become ATO compliance officers,
14,991 would go on the dole, 4 would go work for the banks (sovereign
loans division) and one more for the PM's office. Easy.
Who said dat duh ALP cornt create johbs?
--
Julia Gillard...
"I don't want the mining industry to hire a single foreign worker if
there is an Australian who can do the job"
(PS: Who issues the visas????????????????????)
"Wayne Swan was explicitly asked to rule out a further increase in the
debt limit above the current limit of $300 billion. He steadfastly refused".
http://liberal.org.au/latest-news/2013/03/13/swan-refuses-rule-out-increase-debt-limit-above-300-billion
Swan...
"The course of action I'm talking about today really comes very much, I
guess, to the core of my values and the values of the Labor Party"
Paul Howes...
"Labor has an obligation to stop extremists who threaten our democracy"
How much new law is there every year?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lePrBUHihKI
Tony Abbott...
"You do not save the environment by killing the economy"
"It's not about popularity, it's about gaining respect, and she hasn't
got it yet"
(Australian of the Year, 2013)
Dechucka
May 10, 2013, 4:52:43 PM5/10/13
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You're an idiot, what are you?
HD
May 10, 2013, 5:21:11 PM5/10/13
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message news:av4s10...@mid.individual.net...
So you are the ALP now?
Julia...@alp.org.au
May 10, 2013, 7:42:31 PM5/10/13
to
On Fri, 10 May 2013 23:12:11 +1000 HD stated:-
>On the other hand,
>If workers did not work for others, do you think Gina Rinehard had any
>money?
Ah, the envy of a loser socialist.
>On the other hand,
>If workers did not work for others, do you think Gina Rinehard had any
>money?
HD
May 10, 2013, 8:27:42 PM5/10/13
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<Julia...@ALP.org.au> wrote in message
news:av5fen...@mid.individual.net...
Julia...@alp.org.au
May 10, 2013, 8:40:42 PM5/10/13
to
On Sat, 11 May 2013 10:27:42 +1000 HD stated:-
Again, I repeat, the envy of a losing socialist.
Obviously HD judges a person by their laziness - the lazier one is, the
better you are.
Obviously HD judges a person by their laziness - the lazier one is, the
better you are.
Petzl
May 10, 2013, 9:18:42 PM5/10/13
to
No better than a drug addled whore
--
Petzl
To get rid of Gillard a devout anti-Christ misandrist you have to get rid of Labor
Voting for Julia Gillard because you hate Tony Abbott is like eating shit because you hate spinach
< http://tinyurl.com/Gillards-Massive-Debt >
< http://tinyurl.com/Exploding-Gillard-Debt >
Lies, damned lies and Labor claims
http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/content/2008/s2214216.htm
''There will be no carbon tax under the government I lead,''
Dechucka
May 10, 2013, 9:26:36 PM5/10/13
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"Petzl" <pet...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:n07ro8hl6lb1lgqra...@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 11 May 2013 10:27:42 +1000, "HD" <her...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
>>
>><Julia...@ALP.org.au> wrote in message
>>news:av5fen...@mid.individual.net...
>>> On Fri, 10 May 2013 23:12:11 +1000 HD stated:-
>>>
>>>>On the other hand,
>>>>If workers did not work for others, do you think Gina Rinehard had any
>>>>money?
>>>
>>> Ah, the envy of a loser socialist.
>>
>>I feel sorry for you when you constantly judge a persons worth by money.
>>
> Juliars only "God"is money
If it was she'd still be at S&G her God like all politicions is power
>
>>
>><Julia...@ALP.org.au> wrote in message
>>news:av5fen...@mid.individual.net...
>>> On Fri, 10 May 2013 23:12:11 +1000 HD stated:-
>>>
>>>>On the other hand,
>>>>If workers did not work for others, do you think Gina Rinehard had any
>>>>money?
>>>
>>> Ah, the envy of a loser socialist.
>>
>>I feel sorry for you when you constantly judge a persons worth by money.
>>
> Juliars only "God"is money
> No better than a drug addled whore
Petzl
May 10, 2013, 11:57:33 PM5/10/13
to
On Sat, 11 May 2013 11:26:36 +1000, "Dechucka"
<Dechu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"Petzl" <pet...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:n07ro8hl6lb1lgqra...@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 11 May 2013 10:27:42 +1000, "HD" <her...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>><Julia...@ALP.org.au> wrote in message
>>>news:av5fen...@mid.individual.net...
>>>> On Fri, 10 May 2013 23:12:11 +1000 HD stated:-
>>>>
>>>>>On the other hand,
>>>>>If workers did not work for others, do you think Gina Rinehard had any
>>>>>money?
>>>>
>>>> Ah, the envy of a loser socialist.
>>>
>>>I feel sorry for you when you constantly judge a persons worth by money.
>>>
>> Juliars only "God"is money
>
>If it was she'd still be at S&G her God like all politicions is power
>
She was sacked from there
<Dechu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"Petzl" <pet...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:n07ro8hl6lb1lgqra...@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 11 May 2013 10:27:42 +1000, "HD" <her...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>><Julia...@ALP.org.au> wrote in message
>>>news:av5fen...@mid.individual.net...
>>>> On Fri, 10 May 2013 23:12:11 +1000 HD stated:-
>>>>
>>>>>On the other hand,
>>>>>If workers did not work for others, do you think Gina Rinehard had any
>>>>>money?
>>>>
>>>> Ah, the envy of a loser socialist.
>>>
>>>I feel sorry for you when you constantly judge a persons worth by money.
>>>
>> Juliars only "God"is money
>
>If it was she'd still be at S&G her God like all politicions is power
>
>> No better than a drug addled whore
>
>Yet you believe in a sky fairy, sounds like Ice induced delusions
--
Petzl
What perfect set of circumstances placed our Sun a Celestial ball of fire at just the correct distance from our little blue planet for life to evolve?
All simply conicidence? The very fact we exist is nothing but the result of a complex yet inevitable string of chemical accidents and biological mutations?
There is no Grand meaning; There is no purpose
Dechucka
May 11, 2013, 12:08:04 AM5/11/13
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>
>>> No better than a drug addled whore
>>
>>Yet you believe in a sky fairy, sounds like Ice induced delusions
>
> You not Australian and don't?
in English next time
> On Sat, 11 May 2013 11:26:36 +1000, "Dechucka"
> <Dechu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Petzl" <pet...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:n07ro8hl6lb1lgqra...@4ax.com...
>>> On Sat, 11 May 2013 10:27:42 +1000, "HD" <her...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>><Julia...@ALP.org.au> wrote in message
>>>>news:av5fen...@mid.individual.net...
>>>>> On Fri, 10 May 2013 23:12:11 +1000 HD stated:-
>>>>>
>>>>>>On the other hand,
>>>>>>If workers did not work for others, do you think Gina Rinehard had any
>>>>>>money?
>>>>>
>>>>> Ah, the envy of a loser socialist.
>>>>
>>>>I feel sorry for you when you constantly judge a persons worth by money.
>>>>
>>> Juliars only "God"is money
>>
>>If it was she'd still be at S&G her God like all politicions is power
>>
> She was sacked from there
She wasn't, we've determined that
> <Dechu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Petzl" <pet...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:n07ro8hl6lb1lgqra...@4ax.com...
>>> On Sat, 11 May 2013 10:27:42 +1000, "HD" <her...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>><Julia...@ALP.org.au> wrote in message
>>>>news:av5fen...@mid.individual.net...
>>>>> On Fri, 10 May 2013 23:12:11 +1000 HD stated:-
>>>>>
>>>>>>On the other hand,
>>>>>>If workers did not work for others, do you think Gina Rinehard had any
>>>>>>money?
>>>>>
>>>>> Ah, the envy of a loser socialist.
>>>>
>>>>I feel sorry for you when you constantly judge a persons worth by money.
>>>>
>>> Juliars only "God"is money
>>
>>If it was she'd still be at S&G her God like all politicions is power
>>
> She was sacked from there
>
>>> No better than a drug addled whore
>>
>>Yet you believe in a sky fairy, sounds like Ice induced delusions
>
> You not Australian and don't?
HD
May 11, 2013, 2:16:13 AM5/11/13
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<Julia...@ALP.org.au> wrote in message
news:av5igh...@mid.individual.net...
Do you think that the Swedes and Norwegians are lazy?
Why don't you become a real worker, work in a factory, drive a truck
or go do some concreting?
You are the one who is to damn lazy to do a real job.
Trevor
May 8, 2013, 10:33:16 PM5/8/13
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"ALP = Arrogance, Lies & Pretence" "LNP = Liars, Nutbags &
Pricks"<bjfost...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:auuc6d...@mid.individual.net...
>>> Dole cheats & criminals should be disenfranchised - unlike ALP policy
>>> which is to put them in parliament.
>>
>> Plenty of those on both sides of politics unfortunately :-(
>
> Rubbish. Where are the criminals on the other side?
:-) :-) You're joking right, surely you are not that ignorant?
Trevor.
HD
May 11, 2013, 2:17:58 AM5/11/13
to
> On Sat, 11 May 2013 10:27:42 +1000, "HD" <her...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
>>
>><Julia...@ALP.org.au> wrote in message
>>news:av5fen...@mid.individual.net...
>>> On Fri, 10 May 2013 23:12:11 +1000 HD stated:-
>>>
>>>>On the other hand,
>>>>If workers did not work for others, do you think Gina Rinehard had any
>>>>money?
>>>
>>> Ah, the envy of a loser socialist.
>>
>>I feel sorry for you when you constantly judge a persons worth by money.
>>
> Juliars only "God"is money
> No better than a drug addled whore
Another Idiot.
>
>>
>><Julia...@ALP.org.au> wrote in message
>>news:av5fen...@mid.individual.net...
>>> On Fri, 10 May 2013 23:12:11 +1000 HD stated:-
>>>
>>>>On the other hand,
>>>>If workers did not work for others, do you think Gina Rinehard had any
>>>>money?
>>>
>>> Ah, the envy of a loser socialist.
>>
>>I feel sorry for you when you constantly judge a persons worth by money.
>>
> Juliars only "God"is money
> No better than a drug addled whore
How much money does she get to be abused?
Trevor
May 11, 2013, 2:25:41 AM5/11/13
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> snip
>
> Why do you lead with your chin and make such a fool of yourself
Because he thinks everyone is even more stupid than he is, which would be
difficult even among his Liberal mates.
Trevor.
> snip
>>> Plenty of those on both sides of politics unfortunately :-(
>>
>> Rubbish. Where are the criminals on the other side?
>
> Cobb, Packard, Austin, Lane, Harvey, Parker, O'Connor etc
>>
>> Rubbish. Where are the criminals on the other side?
>
>
> Why do you lead with your chin and make such a fool of yourself
Because he thinks everyone is even more stupid than he is, which would be
difficult even among his Liberal mates.
Trevor.
Trevor
May 11, 2013, 2:28:17 AM5/11/13
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"HD" <her...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:kmd5sv$q1b$1...@dont-email.me...
>>>Don't you know how it works?
>>>The rich pay all taxes to get the votes and after the election the
>>>first law is for the rich to pay no tax.
>>>That is typical conservatives.
>>
>> And that is how it should be.
>>>
>
> Why are you so desperate to have a revolution?
>>>The rich pay all taxes to get the votes and after the election the
>>>first law is for the rich to pay no tax.
>>>That is typical conservatives.
>>
>> And that is how it should be.
>>>
>
What revolution? That is pretty much the current situation :-(
Trevor.
Trevor
May 11, 2013, 2:32:08 AM5/11/13
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"ALP = Arrogance, Lies & Pretence" <bjfost...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in
message news:auuv4f...@mid.individual.net...
> Here is the proposal again:
> Everybody should get 1 vote & then if you pay more than $100k in tax, you
> should get 2 votes, 3 votes for $1m and so on".
>
> HD the bludger, the bloke who works for a living and the rich bloke all
> get 1 vote, for free.
>
> I have to pay $100k for my 2nd vote and the rich bloke has to pay $900k
> for his/her 3rd vote. Packer/Rinehard have to pay $90,000k for their 4th
> vote.
>
> This scheme is grossly unfair
Why, everyone would get one vote just as they do now. Packer etc, aint gonna
> Everybody should get 1 vote & then if you pay more than $100k in tax, you
> should get 2 votes, 3 votes for $1m and so on".
>
> HD the bludger, the bloke who works for a living and the rich bloke all
> get 1 vote, for free.
>
> I have to pay $100k for my 2nd vote and the rich bloke has to pay $900k
> for his/her 3rd vote. Packer/Rinehard have to pay $90,000k for their 4th
> vote.
>
> This scheme is grossly unfair
pay any tax just to get 4 or 5 votes when they can already influence tens of
thousands for less money.
Trevor.
Trevor
May 11, 2013, 2:33:12 AM5/11/13
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> If gina Rinehard and the like did not exist do you think the myriad people
> she and they employ would have a job?
Yep.
> she and they employ would have a job?
Trevor
May 11, 2013, 2:34:17 AM5/11/13
to
Trevor.
Julia...@alp.org.au
May 11, 2013, 2:33:12 AM5/11/13
to
On Sat, 11 May 2013 16:33:12 +1000 Trevor stated:-
No
Trevor
May 11, 2013, 2:38:59 AM5/11/13
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"Wolfgang Wildeblood" <wolfgangw...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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You're wrong if you're implying it would need a referendum;
parliaments decide who can vote, using normal legislation. At the
moment, anyone over 18 years can vote. You can thank Gough Whitlam for
that, previously folks had to be 21 to to vote.
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Right, the LNP couldn't allow 20 year olds to vote while they were being
compulsory conscripted and sent off to Vietnam. Some of them might have
decided to vote against that!
Trevor.
Trevor
May 11, 2013, 2:42:54 AM5/11/13
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> Voters in Australia are required to be Christian only
What drugs are you taking?
Trevor.
> Voters in Australia are required to be Christian only
What drugs are you taking?
Trevor.
Trevor
May 11, 2013, 2:49:56 AM5/11/13
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I can think of one obvious question, though. Name your current
representative in parliament. People who don't even know who their
current MHR is aren't in a position to say whether he is or isn't
doing a god job representing their interests.
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People don't care who their local member is, unless they are an independent.
The rest of the MP's simply vote on party lines so the voters rightly select
the party they think will best represent their interest, not the local
member. Only about 1% of the population has ever had any direct dealings
with their local member. And it can be no other way when they represent
~100,000 people.
Trevor.
I can think of one obvious question, though. Name your current
representative in parliament. People who don't even know who their
current MHR is aren't in a position to say whether he is or isn't
doing a god job representing their interests.
-------------------------------
People don't care who their local member is, unless they are an independent.
The rest of the MP's simply vote on party lines so the voters rightly select
the party they think will best represent their interest, not the local
member. Only about 1% of the population has ever had any direct dealings
with their local member. And it can be no other way when they represent
~100,000 people.
Trevor.
Trevor
May 11, 2013, 2:53:46 AM5/11/13
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> Bod Hawke isn't in Parliment so I doubt that anyone in parliment is doing
> a
> god job. BTW most people vote for a party rather than a representative
> which
> is wrong imho. Old Shultz had done a good job in my electorate so was
> getting my vote
Dechucka just disenfranchised himself based on that woeful display of
ignorance.
This is the bloke who was getting his vote for "doing a good job":
Telegraph detailing his threats to two ?independent MPs in the Federal
Parliament urging them to make a ?decision on which party they would
support".
In June 2009 Schultz was involved in a physical confrontation with
one ?of his Liberal parliamentary colleagues in a party room meeting
in ?Parliament House. He had been angered by a remark made by Chris
Pearce, the member for Aston in Victoria, during a debate about
whether the Liberal Party should run candidates against National
Party ?MPs. Schultz reportedly responded by grabbing Pearce around the
neck. ?He later apologised to Pearce and the entire party room for
the ?incident.
In short, a real piece of work.
Christ! Just what does Schultz have to do to lose your vote, Dechucka,
kill someone?
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His joining the ALP would do it I'm sure! :-)
Trevor.
> Bod Hawke isn't in Parliment so I doubt that anyone in parliment is doing
> a
> god job. BTW most people vote for a party rather than a representative
> which
> is wrong imho. Old Shultz had done a good job in my electorate so was
> getting my vote
Dechucka just disenfranchised himself based on that woeful display of
ignorance.
This is the bloke who was getting his vote for "doing a good job":
Alby Schultz was one of the seven Liberal Party politicians who
boycotted Parliament on the day that the formal apology to the Stolen
Generations was made by Prime Minister Kevin Rudd.
On 29 August 2010 Schultz appeared on the front page of ?the Sunday
boycotted Parliament on the day that the formal apology to the Stolen
Generations was made by Prime Minister Kevin Rudd.
Telegraph detailing his threats to two ?independent MPs in the Federal
Parliament urging them to make a ?decision on which party they would
support".
In June 2009 Schultz was involved in a physical confrontation with
one ?of his Liberal parliamentary colleagues in a party room meeting
in ?Parliament House. He had been angered by a remark made by Chris
Pearce, the member for Aston in Victoria, during a debate about
whether the Liberal Party should run candidates against National
Party ?MPs. Schultz reportedly responded by grabbing Pearce around the
neck. ?He later apologised to Pearce and the entire party room for
the ?incident.
In short, a real piece of work.
Christ! Just what does Schultz have to do to lose your vote, Dechucka,
kill someone?
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His joining the ALP would do it I'm sure! :-)
Trevor.
Trevor
May 11, 2013, 2:56:32 AM5/11/13
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<Julia...@ALP.org.au> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 8 May 2013 22:21:08 -0700 (PDT) bringnobrainalong, closet
> homosexual, pedophile, Emetophiliac, Russian "kozel", "nekulturny" and
> "pidar", token uncultured wog and resident buffoon, Liar, Hitler
> admirer and Nazi, Russian draft evader and craven coward
> <pres...@manloveboy.org> dribbled garbage as usual:
>
>>Alby Schultz was one of the seven Liberal Party politicians who
>>boycotted Parliament on the day that the formal apology to the Stolen
>>Generations was made by Prime Minister Kevin Rudd.
>
>>Alby Schultz was one of the seven Liberal Party politicians who
>>boycotted Parliament on the day that the formal apology to the Stolen
>>Generations was made by Prime Minister Kevin Rudd.
>
> Can you tell us how that worked out for the Aborigines again?
Unlike you, they appreciated the effort. And appreciate what land rights
have brought them even more!
Trevor.
Trevor
May 11, 2013, 3:21:05 AM5/11/13
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"Peter Jason" <p...@jostle.com> wrote in message
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>>You're making Abbott look good
>
> A brown dog could run Oz better than Gillard,
Agreed, pity Abbott is no brown dog though :-(
Trevor.
Wolfgang Wildeblood
May 11, 2013, 4:10:52 AM5/11/13
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On May 11, 2:49 pm, "Trevor" <tre...@home.net> wrote:
> "Wolfgang Wildeblood" <wolfgangwildebl...@gmail.com> wrote in message
And such people shouldn't be voting.
> "Wolfgang Wildeblood" <wolfgangwildebl...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:6e2fde47-4e77-4c4b...@g5g2000pbp.googlegroups.com...
> I can think of one obvious question, though. Name your current
> representative in parliament. People who don't even know who their
> current MHR is aren't in a position to say whether he is or isn't
> doing a god job representing their interests.
> -------------------------------
>
> People don't care who their local member is...
> news:6e2fde47-4e77-4c4b...@g5g2000pbp.googlegroups.com...
> I can think of one obvious question, though. Name your current
> representative in parliament. People who don't even know who their
> current MHR is aren't in a position to say whether he is or isn't
> doing a god job representing their interests.
> -------------------------------
>
And such people shouldn't be voting.
F Murtz
May 11, 2013, 4:12:24 AM5/11/13
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F Murtz
May 11, 2013, 4:17:50 AM5/11/13
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to do the job she is doing.
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