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A. Random. Person  
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 More options Feb 13 2007, 8:36 pm
Newsgroups: aus.invest
From: "A. Random. Person" <arandomper...@linuxbandwagon.com>
Date: 14 Feb 2007 01:36:08 GMT
Local: Tues, Feb 13 2007 8:36 pm
Subject: http://www.top200shares.com.au/ BankWest ASX200 index fund
Found this last night, http://www.top200shares.com.au/ looks like it has
pluses and minuses.

Looks like "One Stop Shop" ASX200 index fund, though the fees look quite
high for an index fund compared to Vanguard, Streettracks, etc, though
might be good for getting started as it appears completely standalone and
internet managed.. any ideas?

I guess if you are putting small amounts away in a regular savings
plan, then the brokerage on buying streettracks may come out higher than
the fixed % fees of this fund..

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John Machin  
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 More options Feb 14 2007, 2:41 am
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From: "John Machin" <sjmac...@lexicon.net>
Date: 13 Feb 2007 23:41:20 -0800
Local: Wed, Feb 14 2007 2:41 am
Subject: Re: http://www.top200shares.com.au/ BankWest ASX200 index fund
On Feb 14, 12:36 pm, "A. Random. Person"

<arandomper...@linuxbandwagon.com> wrote:
> Found this last night,http://www.top200shares.com.au/looks like it has
> pluses and minuses.

> Looks like "One Stop Shop" ASX200 index fund, though the fees look quite
> high for an index fund compared to Vanguard, Streettracks, etc, though
> might be good for getting started as it appears completely standalone and
> internet managed.. any ideas?

> I guess if you are putting small amounts away in a regular savings
> plan, then the brokerage on buying streettracks may come out higher than
> the fixed % fees of this fund..

They keep a tight grip on the FUM:
"""
Can I choose not to reinvest earnings/income?
No. The distributions allocated to investors are wholly reinvested by
the Administrator in Top 200 and added to investor unit holdings.
"""
Don't forget to budget for income tax.

 
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John Wright  
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 More options Feb 14 2007, 3:55 am
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From: "John Wright" <someemai...@somedomain.com>
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 19:55:25 +1100
Local: Wed, Feb 14 2007 3:55 am
Subject: Re: http://www.top200shares.com.au/ BankWest ASX200 index fund
"A. Random. Person" wrote

> Found this last night, http://www.top200shares.com.au/ looks like it has
> pluses and minuses.

> Looks like "One Stop Shop" ASX200 index fund, though the fees look quite
> high for an index fund compared to Vanguard, Streettracks, etc, though
> might be good for getting started as it appears completely standalone and
> internet managed.. any ideas?

> I guess if you are putting small amounts away in a regular savings
> plan, then the brokerage on buying streettracks may come out higher than
> the fixed % fees of this fund..

This seems to be a product from Bankwest, or one of their companies -  but
they seem to have tried to hide it as best as they could, the webpage colour
scheme and a casual mention of Bankwest on one of the questions is the only
thing suggesting it. I wonder why. The home page has "St Andrew's Wealth
Management Ltd" at the bottom. Probably the PDS will have it - I haven't
gone there.

Mystery.

Regards - JW


 
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Travis Morien  
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 More options Feb 14 2007, 5:02 am
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From: "Travis Morien" <travismor...@yahoo.com>
Date: 14 Feb 2007 02:02:43 -0800
Local: Wed, Feb 14 2007 5:02 am
Subject: Re: http://www.top200shares.com.au/ BankWest ASX200 index fund
On Feb 14, 9:36 am, "A. Random. Person"

<arandomper...@linuxbandwagon.com> wrote:
> Found this last night,http://www.top200shares.com.au/looks like it has
> pluses and minuses.

> Looks like "One Stop Shop" ASX200 index fund, though the fees look quite
> high for an index fund compared to Vanguard, Streettracks, etc, though
> might be good for getting started as it appears completely standalone and
> internet managed.. any ideas?

What advantages does it have over, say, Vanguard?

You get online access via Vanguard as well, but lower fees.

I'm not sure the term "one stop shop" really applies here.  The normal
usage of the term applies to a place that offers numerous products and
services in one place so you can get everything you need from there.
In a financial context this means a single place where you can get
financial planning advice, get investment products, have your taxes
done, get insurance etc.

If there is a single valid reason to get the Bankwest Top 200 fund
instead of Vanguard, I haven't spotted it yet.

> I guess if you are putting small amounts away in a regular savings
> plan, then the brokerage on buying streettracks may come out higher than
> the fixed % fees of this fund..

Which is where Vanguard comes in.

Travis
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kd...@excite.com  
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 More options Feb 14 2007, 6:24 am
Newsgroups: aus.invest
From: kd...@excite.com
Date: 14 Feb 2007 03:24:47 -0800
Local: Wed, Feb 14 2007 6:24 am
Subject: Re: http://www.top200shares.com.au/ BankWest ASX200 index fund
On Feb 14, 8:02 pm, "Travis Morien" <travismor...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> If there is a single valid reason to get the Bankwest Top 200 fund
> instead of Vanguard, I haven't spotted it yet.

Exactly. As a matter of fact, I've sent them e-mail some few months
ago, after receiving few of their brochures, asking to explain why
should I pick them over Vanguard, as I can't see any reason myself. No
answer yet... :-)
kdv09

 
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A. Random. Person  
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 More options Feb 14 2007, 6:43 am
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From: "A. Random. Person" <arandomper...@linuxbandwagon.com>
Date: 14 Feb 2007 11:43:26 GMT
Local: Wed, Feb 14 2007 6:43 am
Subject: Re: http://www.top200shares.com.au/ BankWest ASX200 index fund

OK one stop shop maybe not the right terminology, perhaps self contained
product that doesn't need adviser involved or additional online services is
what I was trying to say.
It looked like it works just like the BankWest AbetterDeal internet bank
product, but in closer examination now of the Vanguard and top200shares
products they are very close, on first look I thought it might be a bit
more flexible on transaction amounts and total online management, etc like
the BankWest internet banking products are, but it perhaps just shares the
same superficial web design.

>> I guess if you are putting small amounts away in a regular savings
>> plan, then the brokerage on buying streettracks may come out higher
>> than the fixed % fees of this fund..

> Which is where Vanguard comes in.

OK! for some reason I thought the vanguard would have higher minimum
amounts but side by side they are pretty much the same..

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Travis Morien  
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 More options Feb 14 2007, 7:15 am
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From: "Travis Morien" <travismor...@yahoo.com>
Date: 14 Feb 2007 04:15:24 -0800
Local: Wed, Feb 14 2007 7:15 am
Subject: Re: http://www.top200shares.com.au/ BankWest ASX200 index fund
On Feb 14, 7:43 pm, "A. Random. Person"

<arandomper...@linuxbandwagon.com> wrote:
> OK one stop shop maybe not the right terminology, perhaps self contained
> product that doesn't need adviser involved or additional online services is
> what I was trying to say.

Vanguard does that!

> It looked like it works just like the BankWest AbetterDeal internet bank
> product, but in closer examination now of the Vanguard and top200shares
> products they are very close, on first look I thought it might be a bit
> more flexible on transaction amounts and total online management, etc like
> the BankWest internet banking products are, but it perhaps just shares the
> same superficial web design.

I'm still yet to hear of a single reason why one would go for this
product instead of Vanguard.

One might exist... maybe, but I haven't spotted it yet.  On the face
of it, it just looks like a more expensive alternative to Vanguard.

Travis
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