Who really is Audiolab ?
Phil Allison
** Hi all,
In another thread, the subject of some current Audiolab brand gear has
become a hot topic. A little Googling comes up with a few relevant facts
about the brand:
1. Here is the Audiolab UK web site, but notice the heading is " IAG" -
which is the Chinese based manufacturing company owned by the Taiwanese born
Chang brothers.
2. Seems that IAG bought the originally British brand a couple of years ago
and relaunched the product range with some cosmetic changes and updates.
http://sites.thestar.com.my/audio/story.asp?file=/2005/9/15/audiofile/15audiolab
3. From the IAG website, one learns the Australian distributor for
"Audiolab" is a company in Melbourne called "Ultralift Australia Pty Ltd".
http://www.ultraliftaustralia.com.au/
4. From the above site one learns there are eleven " Ultralift" dealers
operating in Victoria - but interestingly, Trevor Lees Audio ( TLA ) is
not one of them.
However, from comments on the link given in the previously mentioned thread
it appears that TLA is claiming to be the importer of the Audiolab brand
units sold to the OP of that thread.
Perfectly possible, given the amount of " grey importing " going on from
China.
If true, then TLA is responsible for all warranty claims and service on the
items.
..... Phil
Eeyore
Phil Allison wrote:
> ** Hi all,
>
> In another thread, the subject of some current Audiolab brand gear has
> become a hot topic. A little Googling comes up with a few relevant facts
> about the brand:
>
> 1. Here is the Audiolab UK web site, but notice the heading is " IAG" -
> which is the Chinese based manufacturing company owned by the Taiwanese born
> Chang brothers.
>
> http://www.audiolab.co.uk/
Who also own Quad !
http://www.audiolab.co.uk/history.php
http://clients.rendili.net/audiolabnew/history.php?page=4
That should answer your question.
Graham
Phil Allison
"Eeysore"
Phil Allison wrote:
>
>> ** Hi all,
>>
>> In another thread, the subject of some current Audiolab brand gear has
>> become a hot topic. A little Googling comes up with a few relevant facts
>> about the brand:
>>
>> 1. Here is the Audiolab UK web site, but notice the heading is "
>> which is the Chinese based manufacturing company owned by the Taiwanese
>> born
>> Chang brothers.
>>
>> http://www.audiolab.co.uk/
>
>
> http://clients.rendili.net/audiolabnew/history.php?page=4
>
> That should answer your question.
** It answers nothing.
All we can say about recent Audiolab gear is it comes from a factory in
Shenzhen China ( owned by the Chang brothers )
and so is made with as many Chinese sourced components as possible -
likely the whole lot.
http://www.internationalaudiogroup.com/production_facilities.php
Only Mr Lees can say from where and whom he got the Audiolab gear he sells
in his shop in Melbourne.
The QUESTION is one of liability for warranty and back up service PLUS
having the capacity to carry out such service.
..... Phil
Eeyore
Phil Allison wrote:
> "Eeysore"
> Phil Allison wrote:
> >
> >> ** Hi all,
> >>
> >> In another thread, the subject of some current Audiolab brand gear has
> >> become a hot topic. A little Googling comes up with a few relevant facts
> >> about the brand:
> >>
> >> 1. Here is the Audiolab UK web site, but notice the heading is "
> >> G" -
> >> which is the Chinese based manufacturing company owned by the Taiwanese
> >> born
> >> Chang brothers.
> >>
> >> http://www.audiolab.co.uk/
> >
> >
> > http://www.audiolab.co.uk/history.php
> > http://clients.rendili.net/audiolabnew/history.php?page=4
> >
> > That should answer your question.
>
> ** It answers nothing.
>
> All we can say about recent Audiolab gear is it comes from a factory in
> Shenzhen China ( owned by the Chang brothers )
> and so is made with as many Chinese sourced components as possible -
> likely the whole lot.
>
> http://www.internationalaudiogroup.com/production_facilities.php
And what's wrong with that. Good quality Chinese components are as good as any.
Why do you think the likes of Vishay have factories there ?
> Only Mr Lees can say from where and whom he got the Audiolab gear he sells
> in his shop in Melbourne.
>
> The QUESTION is one of liability for warranty and back up service PLUS
> having the capacity to carry out such service.
I agree.
Graham
Phil Allison
"Eeysore"
>
> Phil Allison wrote:
>
>> > That should answer your question.
>>
>> ** It answers nothing.
>>
>> All we can say about recent Audiolab gear is it comes from a factory in
>> Shenzhen China ( owned by the Chang brothers )
>> and so is made with as many Chinese sourced components as possible -
>> likely the whole lot.
>>
>> http://www.internationalaudiogroup.com/production_facilities.php
>
> And what's wrong with that. Good quality Chinese components are as good as
> any.
** Shame about a the very poor quality ones and all the FAKE semi-conductors
and exploding electro caps that pour out of China.
Shame about all the badly designed and badly made consumer and pro-audio
electronics that has flooded the world markets with gear that barely lasts
through he warranty period. Dare I mention the " B " word ?
Shame how a large percentage of such gear is inherently un-economic or
impossible to repair when it fails - even for relatively minor faults.
Are none of the problems reported with the Audiolab gear bought ( including
replacements) from TLA due to shoddy Chinese manufacture ?
Hardy likely.
..... Phil
roughplanet
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"Eeysore"
The fact is that original, UK-based Audiolab units, whether amps, preamps,
or tuners or whatever were all good, reputable and of high build quality. I
owned several & neither gave me any grief whatsoever. Many people found
these original Audiolab units to perform so well they built their whole
audio system around them.
I know a guy who still uses his Audiolab system daily & swears by it. He has
never had any reason to change.
But there seems to be quite a difference between the original Audiolab & the
now Chinese-owned company who build audio gear under the Audiolab label. If
that surprises anybody, then they must be either naive or daft (or perhaps
both).
I first began dealing with Chinese businessmen in 1983, and it was a damn
sight harder then than now to get them to understand practices such as
quality control, tolerances, brand loyalty etc.
But PLEASE, do not categorise 'Chinese' to mean either HK Chinese or
Taiwanese, as both have quite different business principles to those of
mainland Chinese, where a quick buck still takes precedence over any long
term benefits.
Of late there has been a stream of 'high quality low price' audio gear
emanating from mainland China. Some of it is quite passable, especially for
the price, but a good deal of it, especially tube amplifiers, is awful and
any potential buyers aught to subject the item to rigorous listening tests
as well as careful examination and look behind the timber & chrome to see
just what you are getting.
Better quality tubes would often be a good place to start.
ruff
AZ Nomad
>"Eeysore"
>>
>> Phil Allison wrote:
>>
>>> > That should answer your question.
>>>
>>> ** It answers nothing.
>>>
>>> All we can say about recent Audiolab gear is it comes from a factory in
>>> Shenzhen China ( owned by the Chang brothers )
>>> and so is made with as many Chinese sourced components as possible -
>>> likely the whole lot.
>>>
>>> http://www.internationalaudiogroup.com/production_facilities.php
>>
>> And what's wrong with that. Good quality Chinese components are as good as
>> any.
>** Shame about a the very poor quality ones and all the FAKE semi-conductors
>and exploding electro caps that pour out of China.
>Shame about all the badly designed and badly made consumer and pro-audio
>electronics that has flooded the world markets with gear that barely lasts
>through he warranty period. Dare I mention the " B " word ?
Newsflash: chinese quality isn't homogenous. Companies putting out cheap
crap have no bearing on other companies putting out quality products.
In any case, the engineering is usually not done in china and the use of their
cheap labor has little bearing on a device's engineering or quality control
procedures.
Phil Allison
"AZ Nomad"
Phil Allison
"Eeysore"
>
>>>>
>>>> ** It answers nothing.
>>>>
>>>> All we can say about recent Audiolab gear is it comes from a factory in
>>>> Shenzhen China ( owned by the Chang brothers )
>>>> and so is made with as many Chinese sourced components as possible -
>>>> likely the whole lot.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.internationalaudiogroup.com/production_facilities.php
>>>
>>> And what's wrong with that. Good quality Chinese components are as good
>>> as
>>> any.
>
>
>>** Shame about a the very poor quality ones and all the FAKE
>>semi-conductors
>>and exploding electro caps that pour out of China.
>
>>Shame about all the badly designed and badly made consumer and pro-audio
>>electronics that has flooded the world markets with gear that barely lasts
>>through he warranty period. Dare I mention the " B " word ?
>
> Newsflash: chinese quality isn't homogenous.
** Which is exactly what is being said above - fuckwit.
> Companies putting out cheap
> crap have no bearing on other companies putting out quality products.
** Unfortunately, price is no guide to which is which.
Plus, the Audiolab gear in question is a long way from being cheap.
> In any case, the engineering is usually not done in china
** What weird idea of "engineering " is this ???
Every component in an electronic product has to be "engineered" correctly or
the product is likely to be spoiled and Chinese factories are making
virtually all the components used .
The truth is that the "engineering" IS done in China - despite what lying
arseholes flogging the gear to the west try to pretend.
> and the use of their
> cheap labor has little bearing on a device's engineering or quality
> control
> procedures.
** Wot a pile of ridiculous bollocks.
This bullshitting clown must swallow his fish with the, hook line and sinker
still attached !!!
..... Phil
Eeyore
Phil Allison wrote:
> "Eeysore"
> > Phil Allison wrote:
> >
> >> > That should answer your question.
> >>
> >> ** It answers nothing.
> >>
> >> All we can say about recent Audiolab gear is it comes from a factory in
> >> Shenzhen China ( owned by the Chang brothers )
> >> and so is made with as many Chinese sourced components as possible -
> >> likely the whole lot.
> >>
> >> http://www.internationalaudiogroup.com/production_facilities.php
> >
> > And what's wrong with that. Good quality Chinese components are as good as
> > any.
>
> ** Shame about a the very poor quality ones and all the FAKE semi-conductors
> and exploding electro caps that pour out of China.
Which at least in the case of electrolytics are made by obvious 'no name' brands
and easily avoided. Fake semiconductors can be avoided by avoiding the 'grey'
channels.
> Shame about all the badly designed and badly made consumer and pro-audio
> electronics that has flooded the world markets with gear that barely lasts
> through he warranty period. Dare I mention the " B " word ?
How they as a brand manage to be so unreliable does puzzle me.
> Shame how a large percentage of such gear is inherently un-economic or
> impossible to repair when it fails - even for relatively minor faults.
>
> Are none of the problems reported with the Audiolab gear bought ( including
> replacements) from TLA due to shoddy Chinese manufacture ?
>
> Hardy likely.
IAG makes Quad now (amongst others). From what I've heard the Chang brothers are
committed to quality.
Graham
Eeyore
AZ Nomad wrote:
All very true. I have had expereince of dealing with two large Chinese operations.
Kwan Asia who were top class and Phonic who were well ..... rather less so. Phomic
also make some cheap Yamaha gear.
Graham
Eeyore
Phil Allison wrote:
> "AZ Nomad"
>
> > In any case, the engineering is usually not done in china
>
> ** What weird idea of "engineering " is this ???
I read that as 'design engineering'. Anything that's Chinese ODM stands out like
a sore thumb.
Graham
Phil Allison
"Eeysore"
> Phil Allison wrote:
>> >
>> >> > That should answer your question.
>> >>
>> >> ** It answers nothing.
>> >>
>> >> All we can say about recent Audiolab gear is it comes from a factory
>> >> in
>> >> Shenzhen China ( owned by the Chang brothers )
>> >> and so is made with as many Chinese sourced components as possible -
>> >> likely the whole lot.
>> >>
>> >> http://www.internationalaudiogroup.com/production_facilities.php
>> >
>> > And what's wrong with that. Good quality Chinese components are as good
>> > as
>> > any.
>>
>> ** Shame about a the very poor quality ones and all the FAKE
>> semi-conductors
>> and exploding electro caps that pour out of China.
>
> Which at least in the case of electrolytics are made by obvious 'no name'
> brands
> and easily avoided.
** The FACT is they were NOT avoided and WERE fitted to hundreds of
millions of PC motherboards.
> Fake semiconductors can be avoided by avoiding the 'grey' channels.
** Shame how QSC got supplied with 33,000 fakes while dealing with regular
suppliers.
>
>> Shame about all the badly designed and badly made consumer and pro-audio
>> electronics that has flooded the world markets with gear that barely
>> lasts
>> through he warranty period. Dare I mention the " B " word ?
>
> How they as a brand manage to be so unreliable does puzzle me.
** But everything puzzles a know nothing fool.
>> Shame how a large percentage of such gear is inherently un-economic or
>> impossible to repair when it fails - even for relatively minor faults.
>>
>> Are none of the problems reported with the Audiolab gear bought (
>> including
>> replacements) from TLA due to shoddy Chinese manufacture ?
>>
>> Hardy likely.
>
>
> IAG makes Quad now (amongst others).
** More irrelevant drivel.
Yawnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.....
.... Phil
Alan Rutlidge
Oh, and I bet that really irks you, doesn't it Phil?
Your precious English Quad brand, sold out to the Chinese.
TT
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actually had some bass? Sounds like the Chinese have
actually improved them ;-)
Cheers TT
Soundhaspriority
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> "Alan Rutlidge" <don't_spam_me...@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
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>> "Phil Allison" <phila...@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
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>>>
>>> "Eeysore"
>>> > Phil Allison wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> > That should answer your question.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> ** It answers nothing.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> All we can say about recent Audiolab gear is it comes from a
>>>>> >> factory in
>>>>> >> Shenzhen China ( owned by the Chang brothers )
>>>>> >> and so is made with as many Chinese sourced components as
source, but it was in a personal conversation with a reviewer for a well
known hifi magazine, a man who has built many speakers himself. Somehow we
touched on the sound quality of the older Kef speakers versus the Chinese
ones.
He said, "They just don't care." He felt the quality wasn't there, but he
wasn't specific. My interpretation was that he was bothered by the way they
sounded, and from that, inferred bad quality. Or, perhaps, the two were
synonomous. He never got to the point of saying the parts were bad, just the
result.
The older Kef speakers, which used a soft dome, were characterized by a
somewhat soft, rounded presentation, while the newer ones, at least to me,
seem disjointed. A good question would be, why did this happen? English ears
aren't hard to find. I'm sure Graham would do some listening at a nominal
charge :) Could it be that there are so many long lasting hifi components in
everyone's listening room that the actual buyer's market moved offshore as
well? I have read that some Asian brands of speakers were actually
specialized to local instrumental tastes.
Bob Morein
(310) 237-6511
TT
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>
> The older Kef speakers, which used a soft dome, were
> characterized by a somewhat soft, rounded presentation,
> while the newer ones, at least to me, seem disjointed. A
> good question would be, why did this happen? English ears
> aren't hard to find. I'm sure Graham would do some
> listening at a nominal charge :) Could it be that there
> are so many long lasting hifi components in everyone's
> listening room that the actual buyer's market moved
> offshore as well? I have read that some Asian brands of
> speakers were actually specialized to local instrumental
> tastes.
>
> Bob Morein
> (310) 237-6511
AR and even Martin Logan now are renown for a very strong
(boomy?) bass.
I used to use some AR7s as mains. Strong bass but a tad
bright on the upper end due to the titanium tweeters and an
overly bright Yamaha receiver. Excellent for AV :-) A
little frustrating on some music though.
Yes, it is interesting to see how speaker designers are
influenced by which continent they are from. Europeans tend
to make small mellow speakers, English tend to be big with
tight bass, Japanese were again smallish with a very
precise sound. Of course all have produced rubbish and
stuff built down to a price. Except Bose of course - rubbish
that is 90% marketing and mark up :-)
Of course the speaker manufacturers are here in Oz ;-)
Cheers TT
Soundhaspriority
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http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/content/nov2008/db20081126_315336.htm?chan=rss_topStories_ssi_5 .
In a survey, manufacturers were asked to rate the risk factor associated
with a particular country. China topped the list. They were asked to
consider quality and the potential for theft of intellectual property, among
other things.
If one excepts lithium battery recalls, it is possible that the single most
widespread disaster in electronic manufacturing was the piracy of
electrolytic capacitors, which were made with the wrong (secret) formula of
electrolyte. The result was a spike in failure rates that lasted for at
least several years. I'm not sure if those parts are entirely out of the
system. In China, a truck shows up at a factory door with the paperwork for
legitimate parts, but there is always the fear that they aren't. It's a
hazard that exists in an exaggerated factor because the factory is actually
in China.
As a personal aside, I recently ordered spare cellphone batteries. They are
coming from a firm which sends them directly from Singapore, which they
advertise provides assurance that they are not made in China.
Bob Morein
(310) 237-6511
"Risk" is an encompassing term. It doesn't mean that one can't do top drawer
manufacturing in China. It does mean that those w
Arny Krueger
> There was a recent news article relevant to this:
> http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/content/nov2008/db20081126_315336.htm?chan=rss_topStories_ssi_5
> . In a survey, manufacturers were asked to rate the risk
> factor associated with a particular country. China topped the list. They
> were asked to consider quality and the potential for theft of
> intellectual property, among other things.
Sounds like the China that my friends in manufacturing have been doing
business with. The general experience is that if you specify and inspect
*everything*, then you have some initial harsh surpises, but the Chinese
will usually find out that you are serious. If you don't, rotsa ruck!
Thing is, that has been the rule in businesses, particularly subcontractors,
for time immemorial, So, its not it is just the Chinese. If you're old
enough, you remember when Made in Japan was the label of cheap junk,
shoddily made. And, its not like US companies are or ever have been perfect.
Anybody cars made in Detroit? Or FWIW, anybody remember cars made in the UK?
Theres a quality point where profits are optimized, and in the long haul it
has always been where the quality is pretty high.
Trevor Lees
All the Audiolab equipment we purchased was from the Australian
distributors,
IAG or the new distributors since around June Ultralift,
cheers Trevor Lees
PS one CD Player is the only repair we have ever sent back, so reliablility
is very good,
probably more reliable than the Britsh made gear,the worst reliablility I
have heard of is from
(interestingly) Cambridge Audio,we dropped the brand after too many
problems..
cheers Trevor Lees
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Patrick Turner
There's a shop here in the ACT which sells Behringer guitar amps for
$399 made in China. I had to repair one last month after a young
Australian walked away from the amp playing his guitar but fogetting
there was a lead to the amp.
Support from Behringer was marvellous, and the fix to the input jack and
little board attatched was easy. The item has "Made in China" on it.
The quality is not determined by the Chinese, but by the German company
guys from Behringer. Its probably made in China for under $70.
So often Chinese gear IS CRAP, no doubt about it, and its the western
joint venture partners who are the lazy bastards just exploiting the
Chinese cheap labour while being bone lazy about supervising it properly
and ensuring that the quality is actually present by a process of
adequate testing and product development, and that the Chinese get paid
a fair price.
The Chines slave away at $2 per day 6 days a week and 12 hours a day in
lousy conditions.
Until all YOU bastards take whatever measures to ensure their work is
rewarded after YOU buy something made in China as well as you expect to
be rewarded here in Oz, then what fucking right have any of you to
condemn the Chinese?
I don't like what comes from China very much. But usually the price I
pay here for the Chinese mades is far and above the ex-factory price in
China, and guess who makes the money? its the rapacious western business
men.
Greed rules, OK.
People are blaming the Chinese and compalining about their development
into a developed nation and all the ruination of the environment as a
result and greenhouse emissions they'll cause. What bullshit. Nobody
questions why the Chinese get paid so miserably.
How the hell can the Chinese clean up their act if we westoners won't
pay more for their products so they can afford to improve their work
place practices, environmental protection measures and greenhouse CO2
reductions?
Look for the log in your own eyes before you see the splinter in your
neighbour's.
Patrick Turner.
Phil Allison
"Patrick Turneroid the Public Menace"
> There's a shop here in the ACT which sells Behringer guitar amps for
> $399 made in China. I had to repair one last month after a young
> Australian walked away from the amp playing his guitar but fogetting
> there was a lead to the amp.
>
> Support from Behringer was marvellous,
** Sure ain't the case in NSW or any other place on earth.
Schematics are just NOT available and spare parts are scarce and restricted
too.
> and the fix to the input jack and little board attatched was easy.
** Yawnnnnnnnnn....
Such a trivial repair was hardly likely to be otherwise.
> The quality is not determined by the Chinese,
** Yes it is - you fucking NUT CASE !!!!
> but by the German company guys from Behringer.
** Behringer run a shitty sweat shop style operation in China making some of
the poorest quality gear the pro audio industry has ever seen. Most
professionals round the world will not touch any of it.
The Kraut pricks at Berringer shamelessly steal designs from famous brands
and make look alike clones of them in China.
They have been sued by Mackie of the USA and Roland of Japan over it.
Know nothing wankers lie YOU have not got the tiniest fucking clue on the
topic.
So piss the hell off -
you ridiculous bloody moron !!!!!
..... Phil
Patrick Turner
None of what you say un-makes your moronity.
The point I made is that the quality of gear coming out of China is
controlled by those employing the Chinese.
Pay peanut workers peanut wages and regard them with peanut respect and
you can't expect any more than peanut quality.
The Germans from Behringer have made a better attempt than many to
ensure some quality is present.
Anyone wanting to make real quality of gear anywhere as it may have been
understood in previous times cannot afford the time it takes to
organise. Global quality is global quality, and anyone trying to get
better than generic global quality and keep the price of a guitar amp
below aud $399 just cannot be profitable. Global quality means a certain
failure rate and a certain level of performance shortcomings.
There is a mountain of gear that is poorly designed by westoners and
made in China, and people blame the Chinese.
Its not fair.
Hundreds of western nation brandname makers employ a "shitty sweat shop
style operation in China" to ensure a profit when they sell the product
in the West. And the people who buy this product directly contribute to
the worker misery in China.
Give a westerner man a chance to punch a asian in the guts and walk all
over him and they'll gladly do it.
So what? people buy the stuff, and come back for more when it breaks. So
what if a $399 guitar amp cooks? its only a $399 loss. Buying a slightly
more up market Fender or Marshall or Mesa Boogie for 10 times the price
does not mean they wil escape having to get it fixed now and then.
The Behringer amp is chockoblock full of features and effects which were
impossible to provide at any price in 1970 when many regarded the amps
made then were quality. They were simpler, and easier to fix. But fix
then you had to and many were riddled with design faults and ridiculous
circuit configurations. Big Ampegs are a classic example.
High failure rates and design shortcomings have been a feature of guitar
amps since they were invented.
Nothing has changed much.
Patrick Turner.
Alan Rutlidge
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You can say that again !
>
> The point I made is that the quality of gear coming out of China is
> controlled by those employing the Chinese.
>
> Pay peanut workers peanut wages and regard them with peanut respect and
> you can't expect any more than peanut quality.
I think Nokia learnt from that mistake.
>
> The Germans from Behringer have made a better attempt than many to
> ensure some quality is present.
>
> Anyone wanting to make real quality of gear anywhere as it may have been
> understood in previous times cannot afford the time it takes to
> organise. Global quality is global quality, and anyone trying to get
> better than generic global quality and keep the price of a guitar amp
> below aud $399 just cannot be profitable. Global quality means a certain
> failure rate and a certain level of performance shortcomings.
>
> There is a mountain of gear that is poorly designed by westoners and
> made in China, and people blame the Chinese.
True. Especially in the valve amplifier market. Cut corners in the design
and component areas and it doesn't matter who makes it.
It doesn't take much for a significantly under-rated mains transfornmer to
overheat and smoke up. :-(
>
> Its not fair.
>
> Hundreds of western nation brandname makers employ a "shitty sweat shop
> style operation in China" to ensure a profit when they sell the product
> in the West. And the people who buy this product directly contribute to
> the worker misery in China.
An in some industries it isn't confined to China. Some of the most
expensive designer clothes are made in backyard sweat shops right here in
Sydney and Melbourne, subcontracted out to a mainly Asian workforce.
> Give a westerner man a chance to punch a asian in the guts and walk all
> over him and they'll gladly do it.
>
>
> So what? people buy the stuff, and come back for more when it breaks. So
> what if a $399 guitar amp cooks? its only a $399 loss. Buying a slightly
> more up market Fender or Marshall or Mesa Boogie for 10 times the price
> does not mean they wil escape having to get it fixed now and then.
And of course Murphy's Law still applies. It breaks down just as you start
or in the middle of your gig. :-(
>
> The Behringer amp is chockoblock full of features and effects which were
> impossible to provide at any price in 1970 when many regarded the amps
> made then were quality. They were simpler, and easier to fix. But fix
> then you had to and many were riddled with design faults and ridiculous
> circuit configurations. Big Ampegs are a classic example.
> High failure rates and design shortcomings have been a feature of guitar
> amps since they were invented.
> Nothing has changed much.
You'd think a circa mid 1980's Roland Cube would be a quality amplifier.
Brand new (about $800 at the time) and riddled with hiss - designed like
that. :-( Not made in China.
>
> Patrick Turner.
Phil Allison
> controlled by those employing the Chinese.
** Completely false and the Turnreroid Rabid Nut Case has simply no clues on
the topic.
> Pay peanut workers peanut wages ...
** Standard practice in China.
Behringer recruits teenagers from rural villages, puts them up in a company
run hostel adjoining the factory and they become the assembly workers.
Behringer's "factory" is really just an assembly plant - like you see with
automobile manufacture.
All the component parts are outsourced to the cheapest supplier they can
find in China.
> The Germans from Behringer have made a better attempt than many to
> ensure some quality is present.
** The Turneroid mental defective simply has no real knowledge or experience
with the brand.
He is like that blind fool who on meeting up with an elephant for the first
time, grabs it by the tail and says:
" Ah - an elephant is just like a snake !!!! "
------------------------------------------------
The Turneroid is a 100%
STEAMING GREAT FUCKWIT !!!
We should all enjoy laughing loudly and long at him.
..... Phil
TT
> He is like that blind fool who on meeting up with an
> elephant for the first time, grabs it by the tail and
> says:
>
> " Ah - an elephant is just like a snake !!!! "
As opposed to you who would grab by the cock and just say
"Mmmmm.... Yum! Yum!"
>
>
> We should all enjoy laughing loudly and long at him.
>
We ARE laughing at YOU!
>
>
> ..... Philthy the liar
Time to get back on your meds again Philthy. But then,
you always start to act up around Xmas time. Thinking about
how utterly alone you are how no one wants you in their
homes at this time of year? You poor, sad, lonely, little
man!
TT
Doug Flynn
> The Turneroid is a 100%
>
> STEAMING GREAT FUCKWIT !!!
Philby, you didn't call him "autistic" once. You are losing your
edge.......Doug
atec77
Iain Churches
>>
> ** The Turneroid mental defective simply has no real knowledge or
> experience with the brand.
>
> He is like that blind fool who on meeting up with an elephant for the
> first time, grabs it by the tail and says:
>
> " Ah - an elephant is just like a snake !!!! "
> ------------------------------------------------
>
>
> The Turneroid is a 100%
>
> STEAMING GREAT FUCKWIT !!!
>
>
> We should all enjoy laughing loudly and long at him.
>
Quite the opposite Phil. The comparison between
the two of you is an interesting one. Nationality
seems to be the only common factor.
Patrick is a knowledgeable and helpful audio
professional with remarkable knowledge and
experience of thermionic technology.
He has a website second-to-none, filled
to the brim with schematics and information. In
addition to his expertise, he is humorous, extremely
helpful and willing to share his considerable knowledge
base with those of us here who know considerably
less.
In stark contrast to this, even though your knowledge
level seems to be high, you are a coarse, crude oaf
with the social skills of a raccoon. Most of the time,
you seem to find it necessary to behave in a dysfunctional
manner which has brought you the reputation as one of the
most odious individuals on Usenet. That's very sad.
It would be interesting to see your website and compare
it with Patrick's. Please post a link.
Iain
Phil Allison
"Iain Churches"
"Patrick Turneroid the Public Menace"
>
>> ** The Turneroid mental defective simply has no real knowledge or
>> experience with the brand.
>>
>> He is like that blind fool who on meeting up with an elephant for the
>> first time, grabs it by the tail and says:
>>
>> " Ah - an elephant is just like a snake !!!! "
>> ------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> The Turneroid is a 100%
>>
>> STEAMING GREAT FUCKWIT !!!
>>
>>
>> We should all enjoy laughing loudly and long at him.
>
>>
>
> Quite the opposite Phil.
** You are even worse then the Turneroid Menace.
> Patrick is a knowledgeable and helpful audio
> professional
** He sure as hell ain't no " professional " - you utter fuckwit.
The Turneroid is a mere self taught amateur who has only ever engaged in
audio for self amusement and a tiny hobby income.
His career and training was as a tradesmen and a builder, until recently.
The Turneroid is a dopey, rote learner with one antique handbook book as his
" holy bible ".
The Turneroid is a tube head bigot, an autistic sociopath & public menace.
And you are worse.
...... Phil
TT
So Philthy you want to list other people's qualifications eh?
Let's list yours then eh?
*SFA* no formal qualifications at all except a high school certificate!
Not even a driver's license!
But wait there's more!
University drop out!
A "gofor" in an electronics repair business until sacked!
Backyard, self taught toaster fixer!
Loud mouthed yobo!
Social outcast!
Loner!
Net stalker and psychotic!
Bitter and twisted sad case!
Bipolar sufferer!
Come on Philthy, we all need a laugh, tell us the story again how you should
have been a Nobel Laureate and how you are smarter than you high school chum
Jim Prendergast PhD?
It's no wonder you're unemployable!
TT
Eeyore
Phil Allison wrote:
> "Patrick Turneroid the Public Menace"
>
> > There's a shop here in the ACT which sells Behringer guitar amps for
> > $399 made in China. I had to repair one last month after a young
> > Australian walked away from the amp playing his guitar but fogetting
> > there was a lead to the amp.
> >
> > Support from Behringer was marvellous,
>
> ** Sure ain't the case in NSW or any other place on earth.
>
> Schematics are just NOT available and spare parts are scarce and restricted
> too.
I've certainly had no joy. There was a Behringer Europower amp schematic on one
of those technical file sharing sites that proved it was a copy of a QSC RMX amp
but surpise surprise, it's vanished.
> > and the fix to the input jack and little board attatched was easy.
>
> ** Yawnnnnnnnnn....
>
> Such a trivial repair was hardly likely to be otherwise.
>
> > The quality is not determined by the Chinese,
>
> ** Yes it is - you fucking NUT CASE !!!!
Well, in the one case I know of it WAS determined by the Germans. Behringer were
having product made at Kwan Asia (an excellent facility) but insisted on buying
their own components. They bought sub-standard multi-layer ceramic decoupling
caps, some of which 'burnt up' on power-up either initially or in service. As a
consequence Kwan Asia, which had to rework them, refused to deal with Behringer
any more. I have this knowledge first hand directly from Kwan Asia.
> > but by the German company guys from Behringer.
>
> ** Behringer run a shitty sweat shop style operation in China making some of
> the poorest quality gear the pro audio industry has ever seen. Most
> professionals round the world will not touch any of it.
>
> The Kraut pricks at Berringer shamelessly steal designs from famous brands
> and make look alike clones of them in China.
That's certainly true.
> They have been sued by Mackie of the USA and Roland of Japan over it.
And IIRC also Aphex, many more years ago. They lost that one too.
Graham
Eeyore
Patrick Turner wrote:
> The point I made is that the quality of gear coming out of China is
> controlled by those employing the Chinese.
>
> Pay peanut workers peanut wages and regard them with peanut respect and
> you can't expect any more than peanut quality.
Exactly. I've seen excellent, adequate, middling and poor quality all out of
China.
It's management (and money) that determines it.
Graham
Eeyore
Alan Rutlidge wrote:
> "Patrick Turner" <in...@turneraudio.com.au> wrote
> >
> > There is a mountain of gear that is poorly designed by westoners and
> > made in China, and people blame the Chinese.
>
> True. Especially in the valve amplifier market. Cut corners in the design
> and component areas and it doesn't matter who makes it.
> It doesn't take much for a significantly under-rated mains transfornmer to
> overheat and smoke up. :-(
I'll give you an example. It was a 'wall wart' transformer made by the company
'OEM' ! I believe it is an actual brand.
They'd taken the supposedly harmonised European standard voltage of 230V too
literally and when mine rose to 252V (as it does from time to time) you could
hear it buzzing. It didn't burn up but it's an illustration of the margins
they'll work to (probably given a sloppy spec).
Graham
Eeyore
Phil Allison wrote:
> "Patrick Turneroid the Public Menace"
> >
> <big snip>
> >
> > The point I made is that the quality of gear coming out of China is
> > controlled by those employing the Chinese.
>
> ** Completely false and the Turnreroid Rabid Nut Case has simply no clues on
> the topic.
He's actually 100% RIGHT. Been there, seen it with my own eyes.
Graham
Phil Allison
"Eeysore the Lying Pommy Turd"
> Phil Allison wrote:
>
>> "Patrick Turneroid the Public Menace"
> >
>> > The point I made is that the quality of gear coming out of China is
>> > controlled by those employing the Chinese.
>>
>> ** Completely false and the Turnreroid Rabid Nut Case has simply no clues
>> on
>> the topic.
>
>
> He's actually 100% RIGHT. Been there, seen it with my own eyes.
** Shame how you are a lying criminal nut case too.
With a MASSIVE vested interest in promoting the same totally absurd LIE.
.... Phil
Alan Rutlidge
Contra-Phil, you've never been to China, let alone out of the country unless
you count Tasmania as overseas.
Therefore how could you possibly know for sure what he's seen or not seen
for that matter?
You're a flame bait merchant. So far you've contributed nothing of value to
this discussion.
But then again, no one here is surprised.
Now fuck off and go fuck a toaster.
Phil Allison
"Alan Rutlidge"
>
> "Phil Allison"
>>
>> "Eeysore the Lying Pommy Turd"
>>
>>> >
>>>> > The point I made is that the quality of gear coming out of China is
>>>> > controlled by those employing the Chinese.
>>>>
>>>> ** Completely false and the Turnreroid Rabid Nut Case has simply no
>>>> clues on the topic.
>>>
>>>
>>> He's actually 100% RIGHT. Been there, seen it with my own eyes.
>>
>>
>> ** Shame how you are a lying criminal nut case too.
>>
>> With a MASSIVE vested interest in promoting the same totally absurd
>> LIE.
>>
>
> for that matter?
** It is simply not possible to "see" any such thing as he appears to have
claimed.
But then, who the hell knows exactly what the lying nut case is alluding to
??
Got any idea what Graham does for a living these days ?
He is one of the culprits.
...... Phil
Eeyore
Phil Allison wrote:
You haven't the TINIEST CLUE what you're talking about.
Ever been to Shenzhen or Shanghai ?
Graham
Eeyore
Phil Allison wrote:
> ** It is simply not possible to "see" any such thing as he appears to have
> claimed.
Did you know that Kwan Asia's paint shop is so fussy about inclusions (specks)
that it is positively pressurised with filtered air and you can only enter via
another postively pressurised airlock door ?
Try and find that in Oz.
Oh and the EDM machines making moulds for switch caps, control knobs and the
like.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_discharge_machining
Makes the West look like a joke.
Graham
Alan Rutlidge
Phil rarely ventures out of that dump of a bed-sit flat he lives in, let
alone a trip outside the country.
The most distance away from home he's probably been is Oxford St, Sydney
where allegedly he was seen wearing a lime green tutu with orange fishnet
stockings and pink glitter encrusted slippers at the Gay and Lesbian Mardi
Gras.
Phil Allison
"Eeysore Lying Nut Case "
> Phil Allison wrote:
>
>> ** It is simply not possible to "see" any such thing as he appears to
>> have
>> claimed.
>
> Did you know that Kwan Asia's paint shop..
** No
- and it does not matter a tiny hoot.
.. .. Phil
Phil Allison
>
>> ** Shame how you are a lying criminal nut case too.
>>
>> With a MASSIVE vested interest in promoting the same totally absurd
>> LIE.
>
> You haven't the TINIEST CLUE what you're talking about.
** You have not got the tiniest clue WHAT IS BEING talked about.
You lying, autistic fool.
..... Phil
Alan Rutlidge
OMG, it's Dr.Phil Allison. Diagnosing autism by proxy over the internet.
What's next? Snake oil treatments?
ROFLMAO. Phil, if you are nothing, you are at least a constant source of
amusement.
As good as Rod on Speed perhaps, except he infests even more NG's than you
do. :-(
Phil Allison
"Alan Rutlidge"
> OMG, it's Dr.Phil Allison. Diagnosing autism by proxy over the internet.
** It could not be easier to do that.
Autistics give themselves away with nearly every post.
ASD is NOT a medical condition
- you do not go to a doctor for it.
You retarded, criminal fuckhead.
..... Phil
Alan Rutlidge
By your definition that must make just about everybody autistic then.
You really are up yourself aren't you?
So inebriated with your own pomposity, it's a laugh a minute.
Phil Allison
"Alan Rutlidge"
"Phil Allison"
>
>>> OMG, it's Dr.Phil Allison. Diagnosing autism by proxy over the
>>> internet.
>>
>>
>> ** It could not be easier to do that.
>>
>> Autistics give themselves away with nearly every post.
>>
>>
>> ASD is NOT a medical condition
>>
>> - you do not go to a doctor for it.
>>
>>
>> You retarded, criminal fuckhead.
>>
>>
>
** Never gave one.
You lying, criminal fuckwit.
Drop dead.
...... Phil
TT
TT
Alan Rutlidge
Okay rephrased for your benefit -
By your estimation that must make just about everybody autistic then.
Phil Allison
"Alan Rutmaniac Terminal Fuckwit "
>>
>>> By your definition..
>>
>>
>> ** Never gave one.
>>
>> You lying, criminal fuckwit.
>>
>> Drop dead.
>>
>
> Okay rephrased for your benefit -
>
> By your estimation that must make just about everybody autistic then.
** Just as completely wrong and stupid as the first time.
And why aren't you dead yet ?
..... Phil
Alan Rutlidge
bassett
He had a day out on the Manly ferry once , but threw up, on a seagull,
Does that count.
bassett
TT
"bassett" <bas...@bassettskennel.com> wrote in message
news:4941...@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
>>
> He had a day out on the Manly ferry once , but threw up,
> on a seagull,
> Does that count.
>
> bassett
Gobble!"
Cheers TT :-))
Eeyore
Phil Allison wrote:
You're talking CRAP as usual. Is it the FULL MOON making you HOOWWWLLLLL ?
Graham
Eeyore
Alan Rutlidge wrote:
> "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriend...@hotmail.com> wrote
> > Phil Allison wrote:
> >> "Eeysore the Lying Pommy Turd"
> >> > Phil Allison wrote:
> >> >> "Patrick Turneroid the Public Menace"
> >> > >
> >> >> > The point I made is that the quality of gear coming out of China is
> >> >> > controlled by those employing the Chinese.
> >> >>
> >> >> ** Completely false and the Turnreroid Rabid Nut Case has simply no
> >> >> clues on the topic.
> >> >
> >> > He's actually 100% RIGHT. Been there, seen it with my own eyes.
> >>
> >> ** Shame how you are a lying criminal nut case too.
> >>
> >> With a MASSIVE vested interest in promoting the same totally absurd
> >> LIE.
> >
> > You haven't the TINIEST CLUE what you're talking about.
> >
> > Ever been to Shenzhen or Shanghai ?
>
> Phil rarely ventures out of that dump of a bed-sit flat he lives in, let
> alone a trip outside the country.
> The most distance away from home he's probably been is Oxford St, Sydney
> where allegedly he was seen wearing a lime green tutu with orange fishnet
> stockings and pink glitter encrusted slippers at the Gay and Lesbian Mardi
> Gras.
LMAO !
I forgot to mention Hong Kong and Bombay / Mumbai too ! India's an odd place.
You can kind of love it and hate it in the same second.
Graham
Eeyore
Phil Allison wrote:
I suggest you stick to fixing toasters.
Graham
Eeyore
Alan Rutlidge wrote:
> "Phil Allison" <phila...@tpg.com.au> wrote
> > "Eeysore the Lying Pommy Turd"
> >>
> >>> ** Shame how you are a lying criminal nut case too.
> >>>
> >>> With a MASSIVE vested interest in promoting the same totally absurd
> >>> LIE.
> >>
> >> You haven't the TINIEST CLUE what you're talking about.
> >
> >
> > ** You have not got the tiniest clue WHAT IS BEING talked about.
> >
> > You lying, autistic fool.
> >
> > ..... Phil
>
> OMG, it's Dr.Phil Allison. Diagnosing autism by proxy over the internet.
> What's next? Snake oil treatments?
> ROFLMAO. Phil, if you are nothing, you are at least a constant source of
> amusement.
> As good as Rod on Speed perhaps, except he infests even more NG's than you
> do. :-(
Oh come on ! Rod Speed is far more inventive and articulate. He even says
*really sensible* things sometimes !
Graham
Eeyore
TT wrote:
> "bassett" <bas...@bassettskennel.com> wrote
> >>
> > He had a day out on the Manly ferry once , but threw up,
> > on a seagull,
> > Does that count.
>
> Errrrrrr.... don't you mean a manly Fairy? "Gobble!
> Gobble!"
>
> Cheers TT :-))
Is he that way inclined TOO ?
Graham
TT
This is a documented fact here, the Moon's phases have a direct correlation
to Philthy's state of mind (from bad to worse usually).
Also he gets very nasty at Christmas time every year. It is starting a
little early this year but see above comment about the Moon ;-)
IIRC one year he posted (abuse mainly) over 40 times on Xmas day.
Cheers TT
TT
Also there is the rumour of why he was chucked out of Sydney university half
way through his scholarship. Apparently the story is he was caught giving
fellatio to lecturer of his in the orchestra pit. Hence the gobbling bit
:-))
Cheers TT
Patrick Turner
Phil doesn't explain much of anything he does when he isn't at his
keyboard. I don't care what Phil got up to or down to during his
University days, and nor do I care if he ever took part in queer sex
acts, and if he did, I hope it was nice for the other person.
All I am interested in during this thread is who really is Audiolab. If
we are to stray off topic, then perhaps you could try to be intelligent
at least, and not sink beyond a trace into your revenge and male to male
bitchiness.
Your personal assessment of Phil could be very incorrect and thus puts
petrol on the fire.
I think Phil's a bit crook in the mind, judging by the way his condition
varies, so what's the use in tormenting someone who is a bit crook?
I tried to make a more accurate assessment about Phil based on evidence
of years of his typing at discussion groups and I quote a full copy of a
reply to a recent post in another thread which few saw fit to
aknowledge......
Patrick Turner wrote:
>
> Phil Allison wrote:
> >
> > "Iain Churches"
> > "Patrick Turneroid the Public Menace"
> > >
> > >> ** The Turneroid mental defective simply has no real knowledge or
> > >> experience with the brand.
> > >>
> > >> He is like that blind fool who on meeting up with an elephant for the
> > >> first time, grabs it by the tail and says:
> > >>
> > >> " Ah - an elephant is just like a snake !!!! "
> > >> ------------------------------------------------
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> The Turneroid is a 100%
> > >>
> > >> STEAMING GREAT FUCKWIT !!!
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> We should all enjoy laughing loudly and long at him.
> > >
> > >>
> > >
> > > Quite the opposite Phil.
> >
> > ** You are even worse then the Turneroid Menace.
> >
> > > Patrick is a knowledgeable and helpful audio
> > > professional
> >
> > ** He sure as hell ain't no " professional " - you utter fuckwit.
> >
> > The Turneroid is a mere self taught amateur who has only ever engaged in
> > audio for self amusement and a tiny hobby income.
> >
> > His career and training was as a tradesmen and a builder, until recently.
> >
> > The Turneroid is a dopey, rote learner with one antique handbook book as his
> > " holy bible ".
> >
> > The Turneroid is a tube head bigot, an autistic sociopath & public menace.
> >
> > And you are worse.
> >
> > ...... Phil
>
> Phil is partially correct when he said " ** He sure as hell ain't no
> professional - you utter fuckwit."
>
> He is correct in stating I ain't no professional. I don't want to be a
> professional. A professional is a bastard who attaches an extra zero on
> a bill for doing anything, and hides behind a wall of "professionality"
> and who cannot always be right or fix things and when they don't they
> wheadle out of responsibility. They turn out to often be self appointed
> and self taught. Tradies who call themselves professional are often
> amoung the worst of them. Its professionals who got us into the
> financial crisis and they are often corrupt, immoral, and shams.
> I try to keep away from pros. They always cost too much. They always
> think their shit don't stink.
>
> But I am a good tradesman. And a good craftsman. And otherwise just a
> bloke. I give as good as I get, so beware.
> I take no shit. The buck stops here.
>
> Phil is wrong when he included the words "you utter fuckwit" in the
> phrase above. How the hell can anyone *not* dislike Phil when he always
> adds the insult?
>
> If he appeared in front of me and was starving, I wouldn't feed him. I
> have little respect because he's really worked so furiously hard at
> earning himself all our disrespect.
>
> I transfered my competence at building fine buildings to building fine
> amplifiers some 14 years ago. After learning a trade as a carpenter I
> got a Building Certificate which was regarded as a "poor man's degree"
> because it was done at night after work instead of at a uni in the day
> time and while being funded by rich parents. I spent 10 years being a
> foreman for Kell and Ribgy P/L.
>
> I have more than done my full apprenticeship in a field of electronics
> in which it is relatively easy to excel; audio electronics isn't rocket
> science. I now have a website which is a one stop shop for tube audio
> information.
> http://www.turneraudio.com.au
>
> Meanwhile, just what has Phil got to show for the last 14 years?
>
> A great stinking pile of abuse of nearly everyone in many groups. Phil
> has **THE WORST** abuse record and I would say that he holds the world
> record for typing the word "cunt" and "die" and the phrase "get cancer
> soon" etc.
>
> To anyone aware of the usernet news groups, the name "Phil Allison"
> reminds them of what an arsole is. I ignore this mostly, because its
> only a personal issue, and I am here for the technical aspects of Hi-Fi,
> not the personals, unless I really need to get a personal point across.
>
> I get over 500 hits a day at my site and several people email me with
> curley questions to answer. They enjoy the detailed answers I give them.
> Amoung them are emails from many who have built amps based on my
> schematics. Many have made a much nicer job of building my designs than
> I have. Unlike Phil, I realise there *are* greater people than yourself.
>
> I don't just have one old book from which I take much wisdom; I have
> many books. The old one which has meant the most to me is the Radiotron
> Designer's Handbook written by a large team before 1955 when tube based
> electronics was approaching its peak of development. Fortunately, Phil
> wasn't around when that book was written, but had he been around, he'd
> have never made the team which produced it. He's too difficult a man.
> And of course Phil only knows what's in old books, but accuses me of
> being a parot. He's a jerking hypocrite.
>
> Phil has a completely jaded unrealistic view of who I am and is greatly
> troubled by someone with a more rounded intelligence than his own
> and who dares to question him and oppose his views when its necessary. I
> am one of the very few who actually understand the technical discussion
> content which Phil does discuss for 10% of his posts. The other 90% of
> his posts are an utter waste of typing time
> and an insult to the capabilities of human intelligence because Phil's
> mind is so uncool and bent the personal clash always seems to occupy him
> *more* than the technical which lays buried most days for 90% of the
> time.
>
> Phil just cannot see what a fucking jerk-off fuctard he is most days.
> Not even when he's been taking his medications. I reckon he takes them
> because he does change from being calm and tolerable and moderate into a
> gibbering bloody idiot when he must be off his meds. I see that there is
> no shame to have to take medications for a bi-polar dis-order. None of
> us beg the gods for our negativities in our make up. These just happen
> in us, and part of mental instability is that the sufferer cannot see
> his own condition. I've grown immune to Phil's boring negatives which
> contribute utterly nothing to anyone's wisdom about anything. Phil's
> good when he tries to explain something technical that 90% of readers of
> the group are pig ignorant about but his good explantions are too rare
> and given only in a mocking manner which would lead us to enjoy shooting
> him. He hates admitting where he's wrong. he has utterly no sense of
> empathy or sympathy with anyone; its a sign of serious mental problems.
> He's like the utterly intolerant professor who takes a stick to beat his
> students if they don't get it after being force fed a shit sandwich type
> of lesson where the answer the student wants is always wrapped in shit.
>
> Patrick Turner.
Patrick Turner
Patrick Turner
Phil Allison wrote:
>
> "Patrick Turneroid the Public Menace"
> >
> >> > There's a shop here in the ACT which sells Behringer guitar amps for
> >> > $399 made in China. I had to repair one last month after a young
> >> > Australian walked away from the amp playing his guitar but fogetting
> >> > there was a lead to the amp.
> >> >
> >> > Support from Behringer was marvellous,
> >>
> >> ** Sure ain't the case in NSW or any other place on earth.
> >>
> >> Schematics are just NOT available and spare parts are scarce and
> >> restricted
> >> too.
> >>
> >> > and the fix to the input jack and little board attatched was easy.
> >>
> >> ** Yawnnnnnnnnn....
> >>
> >> Such a trivial repair was hardly likely to be otherwise.
> >>
> >> > The quality is not determined by the Chinese,
> >>
> >> ** Yes it is - you fucking NUT CASE !!!!
> >>
> >> > but by the German company guys from Behringer.
> >>
> >> ** Behringer run a shitty sweat shop style operation in China making some
> >> of
> >> the poorest quality gear the pro audio industry has ever seen. Most
> >> professionals round the world will not touch any of it.
> >>
> >> The Kraut pricks at Berringer shamelessly steal designs from famous
> >> brands
> >> and make look alike clones of them in China.
> >>
> >> They have been sued by Mackie of the USA and Roland of Japan over it.
> >>
> >> Know nothing wankers lie YOU have not got the tiniest fucking clue on the
> >> topic.
> >>
> >> So piss the hell off -
> >>
> >> you ridiculous bloody moron !!!!!
> >>
> >>
> >
> > The point I made is that the quality of gear coming out of China is
> > controlled by those employing the Chinese.
>
> ** Completely false and the Turnreroid Rabid Nut Case has simply no clues on
> the topic.
>
> > Pay peanut workers peanut wages ...
>
> ** Standard practice in China.
>
> Behringer recruits teenagers from rural villages, puts them up in a company
> run hostel adjoining the factory and they become the assembly workers.
> Behringer's "factory" is really just an assembly plant - like you see with
> automobile manufacture.
>
> All the component parts are outsourced to the cheapest supplier they can
> find in China.
>
> > The Germans from Behringer have made a better attempt than many to
> > ensure some quality is present.
>
> ** The Turneroid mental defective simply has no real knowledge or experience
> with the brand.
>
> He is like that blind fool who on meeting up with an elephant for the first
> time, grabs it by the tail and says:
>
> " Ah - an elephant is just like a snake !!!! "
> ------------------------------------------------
>
> The Turneroid is a 100%
>
> STEAMING GREAT FUCKWIT !!!
>
> We should all enjoy laughing loudly and long at him.
>
> ..... Phil
They have been laughing at you not me.
You have repeated what I said in my posts which you have snipped to bits
that indeed many western companies including Behringer
expolit Chinese workers very unfairly.
Behringer does manage better quality than many though. They are more
ruthless and exacting I guess.
All for a $$$.
Patrick Turner.
TT
"Patrick Turner" <in...@turneraudio.com.au> wrote in message
news:494329CF...@turneraudio.com.au...
I am very tolerant of people's lifestyle choices and do not
care what they do behind closed doors. I do care when
someone continually abuses others for their lifestyle
choices.
>
> All I am interested in during this thread is who really is
> Audiolab. If
> we are to stray off topic, then perhaps you could try to
> be intelligent
> at least, and not sink beyond a trace into your revenge
> and male to male
> bitchiness.
I do try and do this BUT Philthy is a special case - as you
are well acquainted with as well.. I will not stop showing
the World what he is until he makes a conscious effort to
reform and seek help.
> Your personal assessment of Phil could be very incorrect
> and thus puts
> petrol on the fire.
Possible but there is strong theme that runs through this
all the time.
> I think Phil's a bit crook in the mind,
That is a slight understatement :-))
> judging by the way his condition
> varies, so what's the use in tormenting someone who is a
> bit crook?
He has a choice. Attempt to reform and seek proffessional
help or be driven mad by his tormentors. Either way Usenet
will be free of him. If he stops his abusive and insulting
ways and reforms everyone would cahnge their attitude
towards him.
>
> I tried to make a more accurate assessment about Phil
> based on evidence
> of years of his typing at discussion groups and I quote a
> full copy of a
> reply to a recent post in another thread which few saw fit
> to
> aknowledge......
>
You do not need to defend yourself here ;-)
>
> Patrick Turner wrote:
BTW Alan R. and I heard a really great sounding 8WPC 300B
SET amp a week ago that kicked the ass of some 100WPC
Wolcott mono blocks ;-)
Cheers TT
Patrick Turner
TT wrote:
>
> "Patrick Turner" <in...@turneraudio.com.au> wrote in message
> news:494329CF...@turneraudio.com.au...
> >
> >
> > TT wrote:
snip.....
> >
> You do not need to defend yourself here ;-)
> >
> > Patrick Turner wrote:
>
> BTW Alan R. and I heard a really great sounding 8WPC 300B
> SET amp a week ago that kicked the ass of some 100WPC
> Wolcott mono blocks ;-)
>
> Cheers TT
I don't set out to make enemies on the Net. Its my best defense.
The Net attracts people who have a range of problems in the Real World.
But so does Parliment.
8W from a lone 300B can sound well but you can't easily really reproduce
loud levels. If you stand right in front of a grand piano being played
loudly, its a big experience, and with ordinary speaker of 90dB/W, maybe
the 100W amp would struggle to make the same level as accurately as the
real experience. Of course if you had a 100dB/W/M horn system then the
8W could give the same level as an 80 W amp into 90dB/W/M.
But I'd loathe standing right in front of a grand piano, or right in
front of an orchestra, or at any live gig with thousands of watts of
amplified rock music sound. I like a changing dynamic level. I like
being in a good Hall Like Llewellen Hall in the ACT when there is a
military band playing some of the more complex challenges all good mili
mands should know. Usually there is a terrific range of level and if it
was constant I'd wanna leave, but if it assaults you momentarily, its
fine; gets the adrenaline going.
Alas the addiction to compression ruins all that in musical recordings.
And the compression allows you to get away with 8 watts perhaps.
So, what makes good music? maybe an average level of no more than 80dB
at 1M. A friend has an SPL meter and the needle flutters either side of
75dB with two channels, 3M from each speaker in a well furnished room.
He's happy with 25W from an SE amp into speaker of 89dB/W/M. If he had
just one lone 300B, or a KT90 in triode, the sound may not change much.
As a teenager I recall going for a drive with various friends and mates
who had 10W amps in their cars. Sound was deafening, and I wanted to get
out and walk. But when I went to watch the bike races at Oran Park or
Bathurst, the sound of the bikes up close as they roared and screamed
into the distance as they passed was a heavenly musical experience.
Especially when stoned. And back then they had singles, twins, multis,
four strokes, two strokes and a big range of sounds. Eric Debenham at
166MPH down Conrod Straight in 1965 on a Norton with Vincent engine was
a mystical experience. Occasionally I used a 90LB jackhammer at work in
a lift shaft when I was young. Very serious sound levels, and I stuffed
cotton wool in as tight as I could. it would be possible to compose a
concerto using different frequency jack hammers and percussion tools.
I'm sure someone could make the range of notes and range *of level*
musically interesting, and we'd muse, and we probably would turn down
the volume we once were able to tolerate.
Patrick Turner.
Keithr
>
> I have more than done my full apprenticeship in a field of electronics
> in which it is relatively easy to excel; audio electronics isn't rocket
> science. I now have a website which is a one stop shop for tube audio
> information.
You have a very good knowledge of tube amplifiers, and maybe of other
parts of audio electronics. Your web site is excellent (far better than
the one belonging to a certain self publicist), but to say that you have
done a full apprenticeship in electronics is drawing a very long bow indeed.
Tube amplification, and audio in general is only a tiny corner of
electronics in general, I am afraid that you have only scratched the
surface. It is certainly not an easy field in which to excel, I served a
5 year formal apprenticeship in the subject at a major research site and
have been working in the field in one way or another for the last 50
years but I am still learning every day.
Keith
BTW I wholeheartedly agree with your comments about Philby.
Phil Allison
"Keith Ratbag "
The Turneroid Menace
>
> You have a very good knowledge of tube amplifiers, and maybe of other
> parts of audio electronics. Your web site is excellent (far better than
> the one belonging to a certain self publicist), but to say that you have
> done a full apprenticeship in electronics is drawing a very long bow
> indeed.
** The Turneroid has never held any form of employment in the world of
electronics.
His self serving, asinine and sickening trumpet blowing is just that.
> Tube amplification, and audio in general is only a tiny corner of
> electronics in general,
** I disagree strongly.
The world of audio / hi-fi /pro-audio electronics one of the most complex
there is.
It encompasses most of the other electronic disciplines and PLUS a huge
amount of acoustics, electro mechanics and psycho acoustics.
An "audio tech "is expected to know all about radio electronics as well -
cos AM an FM radio technology are considered part of audio too.
> I am afraid that you have only scratched the surface.
** I'm afraid you have WRONGLY interpreted a simple remark.
An "apprenticeship" in electronics = a grounding in ONE of its
disciplines.
You posturing, know nothing, slimy, PITA, dime a dozen fucking idiot.
..... Phil
Phil Allison
"Patrick Turner = The Turneroid Menace"
> I don't set out to make enemies on the Net.
** What a blatant, fucking LIE !!!
Boy, do I know how big that fucking lie is.
...... Phil
TT
even tell some dud Quads from some working ones!
Philthy you are just a sad sack of shit, that is classed as a complete joke
by everyone, so disagree all you want because no one gives a toss about your
opinions!
TT
Keithr
>
>> Tube amplification, and audio in general is only a tiny corner of
>> electronics in general,
>
>
> ** I disagree strongly.
surprise surprise - does that fact knock back your self esteem even further?
> The world of audio / hi-fi /pro-audio electronics one of the most complex
> there is.
If you really believe that then you are showing your sad lack of
experience in the professional electronics world. Of course you could
just be trolling as usual.
> It encompasses most of the other electronic disciplines and PLUS a huge
> amount of acoustics, electro mechanics and psycho acoustics.
Ah psycho-acoustics - the effect where things have to sound better
because they cost more. The electro-mechanics of the audio world are
pathetically simple.
> An "audio tech "is expected to know all about radio electronics as well -
> cos AM an FM radio technology are considered part of audio too.
ROFL AM/FM radio is all about radio electronics - Philby you are one
funny guy. What do you know about MASERs, cryogenic parametric
amplifiers, phase locked receiver systems with a sensitivity down to
-170dBm? Know anything about servo mechanisms or digital communications?
Ever worked on real computers like ones with 5K plus PCBs in them, or
laser printers capable of emptying double sized boxes of fan fold paper
in less than 5 minutes (that could teach you a little about
electro-mechanical devices). Ever helped design a missile control
system, auto-landing auto-pilots, or a digital communications system?
I am afraid that fixing guitar amps and toasters and posting handy hints
to electronic hobby magazines just doesn't cut it.
> You posturing, know nothing, slimy, PITA, dime a dozen fucking idiot.
<yawn> same shit different day, you really should try and spruce your
act up boy, you are getting monotonous.
And a merry Christmas to you and yours
Keith
Phil Allison
Keith Ratbag the Fuckwit "
Phil Allison wrote:
>
>>> Tube amplification, and audio in general is only a tiny corner of
>>> electronics in general,
>>
>>
>> ** I disagree strongly.
>
>> there is.
>
>> amount of acoustics, electro mechanics and psycho acoustics.
>
> Ah psycho-acoustics - the effect where things have to sound better because
> they cost more.
** Better go look the term up - you know nothing, PITA fuckwit.
Start here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychoacoustics
> The electro-mechanics of the audio world are pathetically simple.
** Asinine nonsense.
Loudspeakers, microphones and CD player mechanisms are hardy trivial
devices.
Only a complete FUCKWIT would suggest they were.
>> An "audio tech "is expected to know all about radio electronics as well -
>> cos AM an FM radio technology are considered part of audio too.
>
> ROFL AM/FM radio is all about radio electronics ....
** My god, you are an utterly autistic pile of sub human shit - Mr Ratbag.
Every tiny word is taken to an absurdly literal extreme by grossly autistic
FUCKHEADS like you
YOU are one EVIL, mentally defective PIG !!
Drop dead.
...... Phil
Keithr
<yawn> same shit same day, you really should try and spruce your act up
Phil Allison
" Keith Ratbag the Fuckwit "
Phil Allison wrote:
>
>>> Tube amplification, and audio in general is only a tiny corner of
>>> electronics in general,
>>
>>
>> ** I disagree strongly.
>
>> The world of audio / hi-fi /pro-audio electronics one of the most complex
>> there is.
>
>> It encompasses most of the other electronic disciplines and PLUS a huge
>> amount of acoustics, electro mechanics and psycho acoustics.
>
> Ah psycho-acoustics - the effect where things have to sound better because
> they cost more.
** Better go look the term up - you know nothing, PITA fuckwit.
Start here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychoacoustics
You pathetic arsehole !!!
> The electro-mechanics of the audio world are pathetically simple.
** ASD brain fucked asinine nonsense !!
Loudspeakers, microphones and CD player mechanisms are hardy trivial
devices.
Only a complete FUCKWIT would suggest they were.
Look what twat just did.
>> An "audio tech "is expected to know all about radio electronics as well -
>> cos AM an FM radio technology are considered part of audio too.
>
> ROFL AM/FM radio is all about radio electronics ....
** My god, you are an utterly autistic pile of sub human shit - Mr Ratbag.
Every tiny word is taken to an absurdly literal extreme by grossly autistic
FUCKHEADS like you
YOU are one EVIL, mentally defective PIG !!
Drop fucking DEAD.
...... Phil
Keithr
> " Keith Ratbag the Fuckwit "
> Phil Allison wrote:
>>>> Tube amplification, and audio in general is only a tiny corner of
>>>> electronics in general,
>>>
>>> ** I disagree strongly.
>>> The world of audio / hi-fi /pro-audio electronics one of the most complex
>>> there is.
>>> It encompasses most of the other electronic disciplines and PLUS a huge
>>> amount of acoustics, electro mechanics and psycho acoustics.
>> Ah psycho-acoustics - the effect where things have to sound better because
>> they cost more.
>
>
> ** Better go look the term up - you know nothing, PITA fuckwit.
>
> Start here:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychoacoustics
>
> You pathetic arsehole !!!
>
>
>
>> The electro-mechanics of the audio world are pathetically simple.
>
>
> ** ASD brain fucked asinine nonsense !!
>
> Loudspeakers, microphones and CD player mechanisms are hardy trivial
> devices.
only if you are a simpleton.
> Only a complete FUCKWIT would suggest they were.
>
> Look what twat just did.
>
>
>
>>> An "audio tech "is expected to know all about radio electronics as well -
>>> cos AM an FM radio technology are considered part of audio too.
>> ROFL AM/FM radio is all about radio electronics ....
>
>
> ** My god, you are an utterly autistic pile of sub human shit - Mr Ratbag.
>
> Every tiny word is taken to an absurdly literal extreme by grossly autistic
> FUCKHEADS like you
>
> YOU are one EVIL, mentally defective PIG !!
>
> Drop fucking DEAD.
>
>
>
>
> ...... Phil
>
So you agree than that you have no experience outside of the simplest
consumer electronics items and are simply making up for a lack of
logical argument with a monotonous collection of insults.
Run up the white flag Philby, you are fucked 3 ways to Christmas
Phil Allison
>>> Tube amplification, and audio in general is only a tiny corner of
>>> electronics in general,
>>
>>
>> ** I disagree strongly.
>
>> The world of audio / hi-fi /pro-audio electronics one of the most complex
>> there is.
>
>> It encompasses most of the other electronic disciplines and PLUS a huge
>> amount of acoustics, electro mechanics and psycho acoustics.
>
> Ah psycho-acoustics - the effect where things have to sound better because
> they cost more.
** Better go look the term up - you know nothing, PITA fuckwit.
Start here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychoacoustics
You pathetic LYING arsehole !!!
> The electro-mechanics of the audio world are pathetically simple.
** ASD brain fucked asinine nonsense !!
Loudspeakers, microphones and CD player mechanisms are hardy trivial
devices.
Only a complete FUCKWIT would suggest they were.
Look what LYING twat just did.
>> An "audio tech "is expected to know all about radio electronics as well -
>> cos AM an FM radio technology are considered part of audio too.
>
> ROFL AM/FM radio is all about radio electronics ....
** My god, you are an utterly autistic pile of sub human shit - Mr Ratbag.
Every tiny word is taken to an absurdly literal extreme by grossly autistic
FUCKHEADS like you
YOU are one EVIL, mentally defective LYING PIG !!
bassett
Quote,, Any more death threats and he's toast [sic] I've done it before
and I can do it again. I will have him banned from Usenet
Keithr
> " Keith Ratbag the Rabid Fuckwit "
>
>
>>>> Tube amplification, and audio in general is only a tiny corner of
>>>> electronics in general,
>>>
>>> ** I disagree strongly.
>>> The world of audio / hi-fi /pro-audio electronics one of the most complex
>>> there is.
>>> It encompasses most of the other electronic disciplines and PLUS a huge
>>> amount of acoustics, electro mechanics and psycho acoustics.
>> Ah psycho-acoustics - the effect where things have to sound better because
>> they cost more.
>
>
> ** Better go look the term up - you know nothing, PITA fuckwit.
>
> Start here:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychoacoustics
>
> You pathetic LYING arsehole !!!
>
>
>
>> The electro-mechanics of the audio world are pathetically simple.
>
>
> ** ASD brain fucked asinine nonsense !!
>
> Loudspeakers, microphones and CD player mechanisms are hardy trivial
> devices.
only if you are a simpleton.
> Only a complete FUCKWIT would suggest they were.
>
> Look what LYING twat just did.
>
>
>
>>> An "audio tech "is expected to know all about radio electronics as well -
>>> cos AM an FM radio technology are considered part of audio too.
>> ROFL AM/FM radio is all about radio electronics ....
>
>
> ** My god, you are an utterly autistic pile of sub human shit - Mr Ratbag.
>
> Every tiny word is taken to an absurdly literal extreme by grossly autistic
> FUCKHEADS like you
>
> YOU are one EVIL, mentally defective LYING PIG !!
>
> Drop fucking DEAD.
>
>
>
>
> ...... Phil
>
So you agree than that you have no experience outside of the simplest
Phil Allison
** I will keep repeating this post until the Keith R Autistic MORON either
posts a genuine response to the points or gives up.
>>> Tube amplification, and audio in general is only a tiny corner of
>>> electronics in general,
>>
>>
>> ** I disagree strongly.
>
>> The world of audio / hi-fi /pro-audio electronics one of the most complex
>> there is.
>
>> It encompasses most of the other electronic disciplines and PLUS a huge
>> amount of acoustics, electro mechanics and psycho acoustics.
>
> Ah psycho-acoustics - the effect where things have to sound better because
> they cost more.
** Better go look the term up - you know nothing, PITA fuckwit.
Start here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychoacoustics
You pathetic LYING arsehole !!!
> The electro-mechanics of the audio world are pathetically simple.
** ASD brain fucked asinine nonsense !!
Loudspeakers, microphones and CD player mechanisms are hardy trivial
devices.
Only a complete FUCKWIT would suggest they were.
Keithr
> " Keith Ratbag the Rabid Fuckwit "
>
>
> ** I will keep repeating this post until the Keith R Autistic MORON either
> posts a genuine response to the points or gives up.
Well just put in a point that needs responding to instead of repetitive
boring insults. Simple isn't it, you just need to behave like a rational
human being, or is that asking too much?
Keith
Q: What does Philby use as a contraceptive
A: His personality.
Keithr
Philby. It doesn't really amount to anything more than a bunch of
insults. The only reason for it is that the company VPN is running even
slower than usual today and I have a bunch of big files to download,
therefore there is time to be filled in.
Thank you for your patience
Keith
Phil Allison
" Keith Ratbag the Rabid Fuckwit "
>
>
>> ** I will keep repeating this post until the Keith R Autistic MORON
>> either posts a genuine response to the points or gives up.
>
> Well just put in a point that needs responding to
** There are two of them - and you have ignored them both.
Cos you simply have no rational reply.
Cos you are * totally ignorant* about the world of audio.
# Point 1:
> Ah psycho-acoustics - the effect where things have to sound better because
> they cost more.
** Better go look the term up - you know nothing, PITA fuckwit.
Start here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychoacoustics
------------------------------------
# Point 2:
> The electro-mechanics of the audio world are pathetically simple.
** ASD brain fucked asinine nonsense !!
Loudspeakers, microphones and CD player mechanisms are hardy trivial
devices.
Only a complete FUCKWIT would suggest they were.
----------------------------------------
Now, you have to supply good evidence that Pyshco-acoustics is not science
and that loudspeakers, microphones and CD player mechanisms etc are "
pathetically simple " devices.
Go on - lets see you do it !!!!
Obviously, such pig ignorant and completely absurd claims cannot be proved
by anyone - that is why you dodged both points.
Keith - you are nothing but a ridiculous, PITA, stupid old TROLL on the
verge of senility. May you and you congenitally defective, ASD fucked
brain rot in hell.
BTW:
Better go look up "ASD" too -
cos a monumental ass like you will no damn clue what that is either.
...... Phil
Phil Allison
"Keithr" <kei...@nowhere.com.au>
** Wot a pile of autistic pommy scum.
> The only reason for it is that the company VPN is running even slower than
> usual today and I have a bunch of big files to download, therefore there
> is time to be filled in.
** Another fuckwit computer geek.
Peeeeeeeuuuukkkkkeeeeeee.......
..... Phil
TT
"Keithr" <kei...@nowhere.com.au> wrote in message
news:49485df3$1...@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
>
>Keith
>Q: What does Philby use as a contraceptive
>A: His personality.
Keith you will already know that once Philthy starts cut 'n'
pasting asinine abuse post after post you know (as does the
rest of the sane World) that you have won the argument ;-)
BTW re: the contraceptive joke it is untrue. There is no
evidence that Philthy has ever had a girlfriend let alone
intercourse with one (Mothers and sisters excluded. You know
the Tasmanian thing) :-) But from what has been circulated
on the net he is taker not a giver so there is little chance
he will get "knocked up" ;-)
Cheers TT
TT
More drivel from a Uni drop out and utter failure!
TT
TT
you!
TT
TT
>
>
> TT wrote:
>>
>> "Patrick Turner" <in...@turneraudio.com.au> wrote in
>> message
>> news:494329CF...@turneraudio.com.au...
>> >
>> >
>> > TT wrote:
>
> snip.....
>
>> >
>> You do not need to defend yourself here ;-)
>> >
>> > Patrick Turner wrote:
>>
>> BTW Alan R. and I heard a really great sounding 8WPC 300B
>> SET amp a week ago that kicked the ass of some 100WPC
>> Wolcott mono blocks ;-)
>>
>> Cheers TT
>
> I don't set out to make enemies on the Net. Its my best
> defense.
>
do though :-(
> The Net attracts people who have a range of problems in
> the Real World.
>
Sigh. Aint that he truth!
What was very funny is that one of the guys had a ME550 at
100WPC and it struggled to drive the speakers as well as the
SET. I would have liked to have spent more time but alas,
as always time runs out too quick.
>
> Alas the addiction to compression ruins all that in
> musical recordings.
> And the compression allows you to get away with 8 watts
> perhaps.
>
> So, what makes good music? maybe an average level of no
> more than 80dB
> at 1M. A friend has an SPL meter and the needle flutters
> either side of
> 75dB with two channels, 3M from each speaker in a well
> furnished room.
> He's happy with 25W from an SE amp into speaker of
> 89dB/W/M. If he had
> just one lone 300B, or a KT90 in triode, the sound may not
> change much.
IMHO music should be replayed at the same level it was
recorded at. Unfortunately this is not always practicul or
for fear of rpetive high dB and hearing damage.
> As a teenager I recall going for a drive with various
> friends and mates
> who had 10W amps in their cars. Sound was deafening, and I
> wanted to get
> out and walk. But when I went to watch the bike races at
> Oran Park or
> Bathurst, the sound of the bikes up close as they roared
> and screamed
> into the distance as they passed was a heavenly musical
> experience.
> Especially when stoned. And back then they had singles,
> twins, multis,
> four strokes, two strokes and a big range of sounds. Eric
> Debenham at
> 166MPH down Conrod Straight in 1965 on a Norton with
> Vincent engine was
> a mystical experience.
Easter 1985 I raced a 1000cc Suzuki Katana superbike at
Bathurst and was ticked off because the marshals measured me
at 122dB going up Mountain Straight. The limit was 120dB!
A quick dash into town for some fibreglass packing and I got
down to 119dB and then told me they would be watching me -
ALL weekend ;-)
> Occasionally I used a 90LB jackhammer at work in
> a lift shaft when I was young. Very serious sound levels,
> and I stuffed
> cotton wool in as tight as I could. it would be possible
> to compose a
> concerto using different frequency jack hammers and
> percussion tools.
> I'm sure someone could make the range of notes and range
> *of level*
> musically interesting, and we'd muse, and we probably
> would turn down
> the volume we once were able to tolerate.
>
I saw a motoring program a while ago where one of the F1
teams had their car set up in their pit garage and they
played tunes with it by a laptop running a program to change
engine revs. It was very good :-)
Cheers TT
roughplanet
Keith Ratbag the Fuckwit "
Phil Allison vomitted:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychoacoustics
Hah hah hah..............I just KNEW Philthy couldn't stay away forever :-).
What fired him up this time? As he's in my killfile these days, along with
quite a few others, I don't get to see the fur fly very much. Makes for far
more pleasant reading.
Ho, ho ho..................I hope everyone on aus.hi-fi has an enjoyable
Christmas and a healthy, happy & prosperous 2009. Well, almost everyone :-).
tuff
Jeßus
> Phil Allison wrote:
<snip>
>> ** My god, you are an utterly autistic pile of sub human shit - Mr
>> Ratbag.
>>
>> Every tiny word is taken to an absurdly literal extreme by grossly
>> autistic FUCKHEADS like you
>>
>> YOU are one EVIL, mentally defective PIG !!
>>
>> Drop fucking DEAD.
>> ...... Phil
>>
> So you agree than that you have no experience outside of the simplest
> consumer electronics items and are simply making up for a lack of
> logical argument with a monotonous collection of insults.
>
> Run up the white flag Philby, you are fucked 3 ways to Christmas
LMAO, you've certainly 'owned' Phallison on several different levels in
this thread :)
Patrick Turner
No lie Phil.
Its the truth and YOU know it, but won't admit it.
Taken your medications today Phil?
It worries me not that much of what I say about anything is something
you get mightily upset about.
Just because YOU get upset doesn't make me a liar.
Didn't they teach you how to win debates at university?
If not, WTF did they teach you?
Or did you spend your time telling the professors they were autistic
morons all the time?
Patrick Turner.
>
> ...... Phil
Phil Allison
"Patrick Turner = The Turneroid Menace"
>
>> > I don't set out to make enemies on the Net.
>>
>> ** What a blatant, fucking LIE !!!
>>
>> Boy, do I know how big that fucking lie is.
>
> No lie Phil.
** You certainly & deliberately set out to make one of me
- you lying cunt.
Mr Patrick Turner
1 Adams Place
Watson ACT 2602
Ph: 02 6241 2760
The cunt imagines himself to be above the law.
But the cunt is not.
...... Phil
atec77
> "Patrick Turner = The Turneroid Menace"
>
>>>> I don't set out to make enemies on the Net.
>>> ** What a blatant, fucking LIE !!!
>>>
>>> Boy, do I know how big that fucking lie is.
>> No lie Phil.
>
>
>
> ** You certainly & deliberately set out to make one of me
>
> - you lying cunt.
>
>
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you certainly are not meattubesmoker
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I await someone close by to this scum visiting with intent
Iain Churches
>" Keith Ratbag the Rabid Fuckwit "
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>> ROFL AM/FM radio is all about radio electronics ....
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> ** My god, you are an utterly autistic pile of sub human shit - Mr
> Ratbag.
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> Every tiny word is taken to an absurdly literal extreme by grossly
> autistic
> FUCKHEADS like you
>
Phil. The English language has a vocabulary of over
250,000 words. If your command of our language is
such that you are unable to find those required to express
yourself precisely, then time spent at remedial classes
might be beneficial for you, rather than embrrassing
yourself here.
Iain
Jeßus
> "Patrick Turner = The Turneroid Menace"
>>> > I don't set out to make enemies on the Net.
>>>
>>> ** What a blatant, fucking LIE !!!
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>>> Boy, do I know how big that fucking lie is.
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>> No lie Phil.
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> ** You certainly & deliberately set out to make one of me
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> - you lying cunt.
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> Mr Patrick Turner
<snip>
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> The cunt imagines himself to be above the law.
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> But the cunt is not.
I have no idea how Phallison has lasted this long when it comes to some
of the shit he pulls on some of you guys. If he did that to me, he
wouldnt do it a second time.
Jeßus
> Phil Allison wrote:
>> "Patrick Turner = The Turneroid Menace"
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>>>>> I don't set out to make enemies on the Net.
>>>> ** What a blatant, fucking LIE !!!
>>>>
>>>> Boy, do I know how big that fucking lie is.
>>> No lie Phil.
>>
> I await someone close by to this scum visiting with intent
He lives in a flat. Or has Phallison gone camping?
TT
"Iain Churches" <Iai...@kolumbus.fi> wrote in message
news:LQb2l.106084$_03...@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi...
> Phil. The English language has a vocabulary of over
> 250,000 words. If your command of our language is
> such that you are unable to find those required to express
> yourself precisely, then time spent at remedial classes
> might be beneficial for you, rather than embrrassing
> yourself here.
>
> Iain
>
>
He can speak Latin too ;-)
Furnulum pani nolo.
BTW the family motto on the coat of arms.
Utinam logica falsa tuam philosophiam totam suffodiant.
<Scroll down a bit on this link to "Less Common Phrases" for the
translations>
http://www.geocities.com/krishna_kunchith/humor/greek-latin.html#codex
Cheers TT :-))
TT
"Jeßus" <none@the_moment.org> wrote in message
news:gibp7o$q2v$1...@news.tornevall.net...
I am led to believe the term is "Cottaging". He lives directly opposite a
park with right in front of the public toilets.
Cheers TT
TT
>
> I have no idea how Phallison has lasted this long when it comes to some
> of the shit he pulls on some of you guys. If he did that to me, he
> wouldnt do it a second time.
A while ago Ruff was all set to drive to Sydney and drag the little bleeder
into the street and kick his arse. That was until Philthy rang him and
pleaded for his life ;-)
Also note that the people Philthy really upsets are all interstate or at
least people that he knows wont come after him.
I have even dropped around to see him ;-) He wouldn't answer his phone and
I couldn't get into his secure complex to knock on his door :-( I even
left a message on his answering machine asking him to contact me so I could
drop back and see him but alas he never returned my phone call :-( So be
aware that all phone calls are screened and allegedly recorded ;-)
Cheers TT
Phil Allison
"Iain Churchus = Steaming GREAT IDIOT "
>
> "Phil Allison"
>>" Keith Ratbag the Rabid Fuckwit "
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>>> ROFL AM/FM radio is all about radio electronics ....
>>
>>
>> ** My god, you are an utterly autistic pile of sub human shit - Mr
>> Ratbag.
>>
>> Every tiny word is taken to an absurdly literal extreme by grossly
>> autistic FUCKHEADS like you
>>
>
> Phil.
** Get stuffed - you posturing ass.
> The English language has a vocabulary of over
> 250,000 words.
** Shame how you cannot comprehend even a simple sentence using just a few
of them.
So here is a shorter one:
Fuck off.
..... Phil
bassett
My good down on your knee's and pray he has one, we don't want the idiot
breeding.
Like father like son comes to mind..
TT
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>> The English language has a vocabulary of over
>> 250,000 words.
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> ** Shame how you cannot comprehend even a simple sentence
> using just a few of them.
>
> So here is a shorter one:
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> ..... Phil
>
To be humbled at the feet of sheer genius is awesome! Such
wit! Such consummate use of your native tongue. I'm sure
Iain and the rest of the literate World are dumbstruck by
this retort.
We Mortals can only aspire to these lofty heights.
And to think you actually consider yourself intelligent and
educated! Ha! No wonder you and Uni had a parting of the
ways.
TT
keithr
>
> ** Another fuckwit computer geek.
>
Well it pays a six figure salary, since you don't even have GST
registration, I'd guess that toasters don't pay that well.