> On Jan 19, 12:53 pm, George M. Middius <cmndr_geo...@comcast.net> > wrote:
> > Jenn said:
> > > > >>> No, I've never lied here.
> > > > >> You know that might be true
> > > > > No, it's absolutely true.
> > > > Jenn, you definately[sic] protest too much.
> > > Many people believe that it is important to defend ones character when > > > it is lied about. YMMV
> > That's certainly true when your assailant is a real person, but when it's > > Arnii Krooger, it's not worth the bother. YMMV.
> When Arny declares that someone is a liar, they can take comfort in > the fact that they've joined an elite group that consists of nearly > every other person on the planet.
>> Wrong again. That recording was made by a high school >> student. > Yes, I mentioned the possibility (though not specifically > a high school student) in another post.
Really, why not in the post where you put the link?
Oh, you leapt before you looked... LOL!
> Is the mixing board capable of separate PA and recording > mixes?
The board can easily produce 9 independent mixes, but only one of them is controlled by the main set of faders.
IOW, other 8 mixes are by design, pretty much static. We are reserving the very few unused resources of that sort for a higher priority purpose - more monitor mixes.
>>>>>>>>>> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" >>>>>>>>>> <artygu...@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>> news:a6ae4520-531a-47ee-8a3a-0e2aaac23451@g1g2000pra.googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 19, 10:19 am, "Arny Krueger" >>>>>>>>>>> <ar...@hotpop.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> "Iain Churches" <Iai...@kolumbus.fi> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW so even if Iain's meager efforts are to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be discounted by such an expert as yourself >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we still have samples of JA's and Jenn's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> single handed recording efforts to judge by. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good. You have my permission to enjoy them. >>>>>>>>>>>>> But surely, Arny, yours are *much* better?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course not.
>>>>>>>>>>> Now that you have admitted that Jenn is better >>>>>>>>>>> than you,
>>>>>>>>>> Confusion over the concept of equality and >>>>>>>>>> inequality noted. Seems like proof that >>>>>>>>>> Grasshopper never passed any math courses in >>>>>>>>>> middle school.
>>>>>>>>>>> will you still try to call her a "liar" at every >>>>>>>>>>> turn?
>>>>>>>>>> Only when she lies, which is apparently often >>>>>>>>>> enough to make you think it happens all the time.
>>>>>>>>> I've never lied here.
>>>>>>>> Umm, you forgot the "In my fantasy world", Jenn.
>>>>>>> No, I've never lied here.
>>>>>> You know that might be true
>>>>> No, it's absolutely true.
>>>> Jenn, you definitely protest too much.
>>> Many people believe that it is important to defend ones >>> character when it is lied about. YMMV >> Exactly. > Then in what way am I protesting too much?
You're providing proof that you are blinded by your own hype.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW so even if Iain's meager efforts are to > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be discounted by such an expert as yourself > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we still have samples of JA's and Jenn's > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> single handed recording efforts to judge by. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good. You have my permission to enjoy them. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> But surely, Arny, yours are *much* better?
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Of course not.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Now that you have admitted that Jenn is better > >>>>>>>>>>> than you,
> >>>>>>>>>> Confusion over the concept of equality and > >>>>>>>>>> inequality noted. Seems like proof that > >>>>>>>>>> Grasshopper never passed any math courses in > >>>>>>>>>> middle school.
> >>>>>>>>>>> will you still try to call her a "liar" at every > >>>>>>>>>>> turn?
> >>>>>>>>>> Only when she lies, which is apparently often > >>>>>>>>>> enough to make you think it happens all the time.
> >>>>>>>>> I've never lied here.
> >>>>>>>> Umm, you forgot the "In my fantasy world", Jenn.
> >>>>>>> No, I've never lied here.
> >>>>>> You know that might be true
> >>>>> No, it's absolutely true.
> >>>> Jenn, you definitely protest too much.
> >>> Many people believe that it is important to defend ones > >>> character when it is lied about. YMMV
> >> Exactly.
> > Then in what way am I protesting too much?
> You're providing proof that you are blinded by your own hype.
> >> Wrong again. That recording was made by a high school > >> student.
> > Yes, I mentioned the possibility (though not specifically > > a high school student) in another post.
> Really, why not in the post where you put the link?
> Oh, you leapt before you looked... LOL!
By your standard, I looked before I leapt. However, to answer your question, I preferred to drop some hints about the recording than to post a link outright. Take comfort that everyone hanging on your every word meant no one was interested in investigating.
> > Is the mixing board capable of separate PA and recording > > mixes?
> The board can easily produce 9 independent mixes, but only one of them is > controlled by the main set of faders.
> IOW, other 8 mixes are by design, pretty much static. We are reserving the > very few unused resources of that sort for a higher priority purpose - more > monitor mixes.
I assume there's no practical place for a pair of room mics that would give a pleasing result.
In article <2e2dnfj8opgsdenUnZ2dnUVZ_hedn...@giganews.com>, "Arny Krueger" <ar...@hotpop.com> wrote:
> In this case > I am again functioning as a volunteer, actually one that is disengaged from > the recording that Stephen has misidentified, no doubt do to a typical rush > to judgment and intellectual and social immaturity on his part.
Wow. You get a lot out of a link posted without commentary. Too bad I responded respectfully to your other post, but with your wont for non-delusional slidings of the truth I should have known better.
>>>> You know Iain, given what little you know about live sound, you should >>>> really keep your totally pie-hole shut about it.
>>> So live recordings of concerts from London's Round House, >>> the jazz Shakespeare Birthday concert from Southwark >>> Cathedral, and a concert from the Queen Elizabeth >>> Hall, all broadcast by the BBC don't count then? :-))
>> Sorry Iain, without tambourines and hallelujahs it just aint live enough >> for Arny ;-)
> Hmm. Mabe some major projects need to be revised then. > I suppose we could upgrade the Shostakovich Quartet into > the Shostakovich Octet with the addition of four tambourines, > but where can we find a buxom Afro American lady to shout > "Sweet Jesus, Halleluja", and "Mercy, Mercy at the appropriate > moments when inspiration takes her? We need a producer!!
> But don't mention this anyone else, TT, you could be on to > a huge hit. Remember "Everything gonna be Alright" > for Sweetbox which was based on Air In G (Suite no 3) > by JS Bach?
> It was in the Top Ten Chart positions in England, Ireland, > Sweden, Austria, Switzerland, Belgium, Norway, Finland, > Spain, Colombia, Lebanon, Israel, Italy and France. > In Germany (#12), Denmark (#13) and Holland the title > reached the Top 20 and in the US the Single was among > the Top 40 on the Billboard Charts. The track also stayed for > 8 weeks in the Top 10 of the World Radio Charts (compiled > by 150 radio stations in 40 countries).
> There could be money in them there tambourines:-)
> Iain
Ripping off the classics has always been a mainstay of pop music, Neil diamond ripped Mozart off, Tom Springfield ripped Beethoven's ninth for the Seekers' "Take me to the emerald city", and who could forget the efforts of B. Bumble and the Stingers ("Bumble Boogie" ripped from "Flight of the Bumble Bee", "Nut Rocker" ripped from "March of the Wooden Soldiers" from the Nutcracker Suite and "Apple Knocker", based on Rossini's William Tell Overture). The list just goes on and on.
In article <2e2dnfj8opgsdenUnZ2dnUVZ_hedn...@giganews.com>, "Arny Krueger" <ar...@hotpop.com> wrote:
> In this life backfired on Stephen, because he misidentified a recording made > by a high school kid (a rather bright and industrious one who also runs the > lighting board) as having been made by me.
Did that kid achieve the standard for making a recording that you propose for Iain?
>>>>>>> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" >>>>>>> <artygu...@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:a6ae4520-531a-47ee-8a3a-0e2aaac23451@g1g2000pra.googlegroups.com >>>>>>>> On Jan 19, 10:19 am, "Arny Krueger" >>>>>>>> <ar...@hotpop.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> "Iain Churches" <Iai...@kolumbus.fi> wrote in >>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>> "Arny Krueger" <ar...@hotpop.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>> news:8IOdnbRr68omD-nUnZ2dnUVZ_o7inZ2d@giganews.com... >>>>>>>>>>> "TT" <TTencerNoS...@westnet.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>> message >>>>>>>>>>> news:KNydnWlBc848H-nUnZ2dnUVZ8vydnZ2d@westnet.com.au >>>>>>>>>>>> BTW so even if Iain's meager efforts are to be >>>>>>>>>>>> discounted by such an expert as yourself we >>>>>>>>>>>> still have samples of JA's and Jenn's single >>>>>>>>>>>> handed recording efforts to judge by. >>>>>>>>>>> Good. You have my permission to enjoy them. >>>>>>>>>> But surely, Arny, yours are *much* better? >>>>>>>>> Of course not. >>>>>>>> Now that you have admitted that Jenn is better than >>>>>>>> you, >>>>>>> Confusion over the concept of equality and inequality >>>>>>> noted. Seems like proof that Grasshopper never passed >>>>>>> any math courses in middle school.
>>>>>>>> will you still try to call her a "liar" at every >>>>>>>> turn? >>>>>>> Only when she lies, which is apparently often enough >>>>>>> to make you think it happens all the time. >>>>>> I've never lied here. >>>>> Umm, you forgot the "In my fantasy world", Jenn. >>>> No, I've never lied here. >>> You know that might be true >> No, it's absolutely true.
> >>>>> BTW so even if Iain's meager efforts are to be > >>>>> discounted by such an expert as yourself we still have > >>>>> samples of JA's and Jenn's single handed recording > >>>>> efforts to judge by. > >>>> Good. You have my permission to enjoy them. > >>> But surely, Arny, yours are *much* better? > >> Of course not. > > Now that you have admitted that Jenn is better than you,
> Confusion over the concept of equality and inequality noted. Seems like > proof that Master never passed any math courses in middle school.
Perhaps using your childishly insane low bar for "proof", GOIA.
There are but few options here, GOIA: you either believe that your recordings are "not as good", "as good" or "better" (forgetting for the moment such qualifiers as "LoT"S", "much" and so forth) than Jenn's and JA's.
There's one problem here, GOIA: you aren't willing to have any of your work available for examination, and you yourself have admitted that your recordings suck.
Therefore, we can state that your recordings are not as good as JA's and Jenn's.
Now that we have that out of the way you can always dispute that, but you'll have to submit your proof for it to be considered.
Game, set, match. You lose.
Please do not attempt to use reasoning or simple logic on Arny - it really is a total waste of time.
> > will you still try to call her a "liar" at every turn?
> Only when she lies, which is apparently often enough to make you think it > happens all the time.
What insane reasoning. LOL!
Ah! Now you get it :-))
No, GOIA, what I think is that Jenn has never lied here. What I do know is that, regardless of this truth, you call her a liar. Isn't that crazy? (Rhetorical question: of course it is!)
There are some simple tests for lying. Does the person say what they are going to do and then actually does what they said and are the stories consistent and in the realms of believability? Finnaly does the person back up any claims with some outside source.
Your insanity is obviously getting worse, GOIA.
I bet Arny will convince himself that the padded cell he is put in is really an anechoic chamber purposely built for his new recording studio :-))
> >> I am starting to think there is perhaps something seriously > >> wrong with poor old Arny? Is there? > >To quote you: <insert stunned look here> > >Is this a serious question? :-)
> Secondly I believe that people divide professionals from hobbyists in a > given endeavor based on whether or not they derive income from that > endeavor. Since I do no live sound work for money and never have, I can't > possibly characterize myself as a professional live sound engineer. I'm > happy to call myself a live sound volunteer for a charitable organization, > and nothing more.
So you really are an amateur hobbyist then? So you have "lied" about being a professional?
Oh and before you state that you have charged money for a studio recording you will be more than happy to post an evaluation of that then?
> Secondly I believe that people divide professionals from > hobbyists in a given endeavor based on whether or not > they derive income from that endeavor.
As does the rest of the world.
> Since I do no live sound work for money and never have, > I can't possibly characterize myself as a professional live > sound engineer.
So why did you do so, Mr.Krueger?
> I'm happy to call myself a live sound volunteer for a > charitable organization, and nothing more.
Okay, but why the wasted Usent bandwidth where you _do_ characterize yourself as "professional and object to others pointing out exactly what you now admit, that you have never earned money in that role? Let alone the fact that your recordings have never been commercially released.
> >>> So the person responsible for degrading the > >>> quality of the recordings made by Arny Krueger > >>> the professional recording engineer is Arny > >>> Krueger the professional sound reinforcement engineer.
> >> Ignorance of basic acoustics noted.
> > In what way, Mr. Krueger? I am sticking strictly to > > the public statements you have made on Usenet on > > both topics and making a logical observation based > > on your own statements.
> The degradation is not personalized. It is what it is.
I am sorry, Mr. Krueger. This response doesn't make any sense. How can having sound reinforcement speakers operating while you are recording a choir result in "personalized" degradation of sound quality?
> In my case the organizational priorities are clear. The > live show is far and away the most important. There is > only one reasonable choice - get the best possible live > sound regardless of the effect on the recordings. The > recordings are an after-thought, and not the least bit > mission critical.
Yet you repeatedly referred to these recordings on r.a.p. as evidence for you being a "professional" recording engineer and you vigorously objected to others pointing out that as you didn't earn any money from making these recordings, you were _not_ a professional, something you now say you believe to be true.
> >>> As ironical a fact as the presence of dozens of > >>> postings in the groups.google.com archive of Mr. > >>> Krueger criticizing the results of the recording > >>> activities of others, yet he will not allow anyone > >>> to audition his own recordings in case they are > >>> criticized.
> >> The logical error here is that many people criticize > >> recordings who are totally incapable of making recordings > >> on their own.
> > Of course that is true. But in _your_ case, Mr. Krueger, > > you have claimed to be a professional recording engineer,
> Yes, but one working under certain priorities and constraints. > In this case I am again functioning as a volunteer...
But earlier in your posting, Mr. Krueger, you yourself defined a "professional" as "people divide professionals from hobbyists in a given endeavor based on whether or not they derive income from that endeavor." As you don't derive any income from your recording activities, as you make them as part of your volunteering to manage the FoH sound at your church, your repeated claims that you are "a professional recording engineer" are false and your must be, by your definition, a "hobbyist."
Not that there's anything wrong with that of course. It's just that it's completely at odds with your earlier claims to be a "professional."
> > in which case the usual professional courtesy that exists > > among peers would either have you sharing your own > > recordings or remaining quiet about the efforts of > > others. Sadly, you do neither.
> Nothing sad about it. If you can't take having your work > commented on John, then you are in the wrong business.
I have no problem with anyone criticizing my work, Mr. Krueger, and have never said otherwise. With all due respect, _you_ are the one who does not seem to be able to take such criticism, who has fabricated a plethora of phoney excuses as to why no-one else can be allowed to judge your work.
> I have set down the conditions under which I will distribute > recordings that I make.
And I am looking forward to you sending me the promised CD-R, Mr. Krueger. Please note that I am sending you examples of my commercial work tomorrow with _no_ conditions "set down" (though, of course, I am not expecting you to comment publicly on them until you have set me _your_ recordings).
> Don't say that TT. Arny will find out it is untrue, and call > you a liar for the next ten years:-)
> Iain
Too late Iain, I've already been labelled ;-)
BTW can you (or anyone) imagine the shame *if* Arny actually said you told the truth and praised your efforts in some way? You would really have to do some careful self evaluation wouldn't you? :-))
> Clyde. I am not fussy. If Arny makes the recording > all alone standing in his head, that's fine by me, > as long as it reaches the professional standard > that he has claimed for himself. > Is that too much to ask?
On Jan 19, 3:27 pm, "Arny Krueger" <ar...@hotpop.com> wrote:
> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" <artygu...@hotmail.com> > > Um, GOIA, this is at least the third lame IKYABWAI that > > you've > > directed at me today.
> Not my fault you create so many targets of that kind, grasshopper.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW so even if Iain's meager efforts are to be > >>>>>>>>>>>>> discounted by such an expert as yourself we > >>>>>>>>>>>>> still have samples of JA's and Jenn's single > >>>>>>>>>>>>> handed recording efforts to judge by. > >>>>>>>>>>>> Good. You have my permission to enjoy them. > >>>>>>>>>>> But surely, Arny, yours are *much* better?
> >>>>>>>>>> Of course not.
> >>>>>>>>> Now that you have admitted that Jenn is better > >>>>>>>>> than you,
> >>>>>>>> Confusion over the concept of equality and > >>>>>>>> inequality noted. Seems like proof that > >>>>>>>> Grasshopper never passed any math courses in > >>>>>>>> middle school.
> >>>>>>>>> will you still try to call her a "liar" at every > >>>>>>>>> turn?
> >>>>>>>> Only when she lies, which is apparently often > >>>>>>>> enough to make you think it happens all the time.
> >>>>>>> I've never lied here.
> >>>>>> Umm, you forgot the "In my fantasy world", Jenn.
> >>>>> No, I've never lied here.
> >>>> You know that might be true
> >>> No, it's absolutely true.
> >> Jenn, you definitely [sic] protest too much.
> > 99% of your Usenet existence is spent protesting.
> That would be another lie,
No, it isn't.
presuming (perhaps incorrectly) that Marc is
> mentally competent enough to be held responsible for what he posts.-
> > On Jan 19, 12:53?pm, George M. Middius > > <cmndr_geo...@comcast.net> wrote: > >> Jenn said:
> >>>>>>> No, I've never lied here.
> >>>>>> You know that might be true
> >>>>> No, it's absolutely true.
> >>>> Jenn, you definately[sic] protest too much.
> >>> Many people believe that it is important to defend ones > >>> character when it is lied about. ?YMMV
> >> That's certainly true when your assailant is a real > >> person, but when it's Arnii Krooger, it's not worth the > >> bother. YMMV.
> > When Arny declares that someone is a liar, they can take > > comfort in the fact that they've joined an elite group > > that consists of nearly every other person on the planet.
> Delusions of omnisicence noted.-
Nope. A tour through the Google archives reveals just how many people you have called liars. The total went up considerably this week when you added a few thousand engineers.
On Jan 19, 6:00 pm, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
<artygu...@hotmail.com> wrote: > On Jan 19, 3:27 pm, "Arny Krueger" <ar...@hotpop.com> wrote:
> > "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" <artygu...@hotmail.com> > > > Um, GOIA, this is at least the third lame IKYABWAI that > > > you've > > > directed at me today.
> > Not my fault you create so many targets of that kind, Master.
> Another one for the "three words" thread. brb
> LOL!
OK, so now that I've added "It's my fault!" to the three words nobody would ever expect you to utter, we can now begin trying to understand why it is impossible for you to say them.
I suspect you had a domineering parent who probably beat you as a child. You learned to deny responsibility as a self-preservation tactic.
The next question is which parent. Usually one might suspect the father. In your case, though, other evidence (your fear of Jenn, for example) leads me to believe the domineering parent who beat you was your mother. Your father was probably a Caspar Milquetoast type.
His three favorite words were probably "You're right, dear!" That would likely be because he secretly wanted to beat you too, but he was as afraid of your mother as you were.
