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Don McKenzie

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Jan 20, 2012, 4:17:15 PM1/20/12
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Amazon may launch Australian website

Well, this may put the cat amongst the pigeons.

Bricks-and-mortar retailers may soon be facing another online threat with Amazon considering setting up a base in Australia.

The US online retailer that sells a range of electrical items has managed to take a significant share of the local
market for computer software, books and DVDs.

According to Morgan Stanley, Amazon wants to further build its online sales in Australia, and may be considering setting
up an Australian-based website.

Full story at:
http://www.connectedaustralia.com/News/BreakingNews/tabid/119/ArticleId/6632/Amazon-may-launch-Australian-website.aspx

Cheers Don...

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felix_unger

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Jan 20, 2012, 6:38:12 PM1/20/12
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On 21-January-2012 8:17 AM, Don McKenzie wrote:

> Amazon may launch Australian website
>
> Well, this may put the cat amongst the pigeons.
>
> Bricks-and-mortar retailers may soon be facing another online threat
> with Amazon considering setting up a base in Australia.
>
> The US online retailer that sells a range of electrical items has
> managed to take a significant share of the local market for computer
> software, books and DVDs.
>
> According to Morgan Stanley, Amazon wants to further build its online
> sales in Australia, and may be considering setting up an
> Australian-based website.
>
> Full story at:
> http://www.connectedaustralia.com/News/BreakingNews/tabid/119/ArticleId/6632/Amazon-may-launch-Australian-website.aspx
>
>
> Cheers Don...
>
> ====================
>

Good news!

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Phil Allison

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Jan 20, 2012, 8:13:24 PM1/20/12
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"felix dunghead"

Don McKenzie wrote:
>
>> Amazon may launch Australian website
>>
>> Well, this may put the cat amongst the pigeons.
>>
>> Bricks-and-mortar retailers may soon be facing another online threat with
>> Amazon considering setting up a base in Australia.
>>
>> The US online retailer that sells a range of electrical items has managed
>> to take a significant share of the local market for computer software,
>> books and DVDs.
>>
>> According to Morgan Stanley, Amazon wants to further build its online
>> sales in Australia, and may be considering setting up an Australian-based
>> website.
>>
>> Full story at:
>> http://www.connectedaustralia.com/News/BreakingNews/tabid/119/ArticleId/6632/Amazon-may-launch-Australian-website.aspx

>
> Good news!

** Like hell.

" If Amazon does establish an Australian site, consumers could be prevented
from purchasing from the US and UK sites, and charge higher prices. "



.... Phil


Bob Milutinovic

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Jan 20, 2012, 8:37:51 PM1/20/12
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The US and UK sites already charge ridiculous prices compared to other
online retailers. I've not been able to find one exception to this rule.

The problem however is that it's a simple "one-stop-shop," which is in
itself a boon for people who're too lazy or too stupid to properly search
online.

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terryc

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Jan 20, 2012, 8:46:51 PM1/20/12
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Don McKenzie wrote:
> Amazon may launch Australian website
>
> Well, this may put the cat amongst the pigeons.
>
> Bricks-and-mortar retailers may soon be facing another online threat
> with Amazon considering setting up a base in Australia.

Hahahahaha, I whipped their arse when they first started. Icould send
stuff back into the states within days, whereas they took weeks. I'm now
in a better position to whip their arse again (if I choose to go back
into the business). The big failing with Amazon is they do not like
keeping stock and can not deliver.

> According to Morgan Stanley, Amazon wants to further build its online
> sales in Australia, and may be considering setting up an
> Australian-based website.

Really means SFA. My 2c is that it will just be a customised page on the
same server.

Rod Speed

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Jan 20, 2012, 9:48:14 PM1/20/12
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Phil Allison wrote:
> felix unger wrote
>> Don McKenzie wrote

>>> Amazon may launch Australian website

>>> Well, this may put the cat amongst the pigeons.

>>> Bricks-and-mortar retailers may soon be facing another online
>>> threat with Amazon considering setting up a base in Australia.

>>> The US online retailer that sells a range of electrical items has
>>> managed to take a significant share of the local market for
>>> computer software, books and DVDs.

>>> According to Morgan Stanley, Amazon wants to further build its
>>> online sales in Australia, and may be considering setting up an
>>> Australian-based website.

>>> Full story at:
>>> http://www.connectedaustralia.com/News/BreakingNews/tabid/119/ArticleId/6632/Amazon-may-launch-Australian-website.aspx

>> Good news!

> Like hell.

> " If Amazon does establish an Australian site, consumers could be prevented from purchasing from the US and UK sites,
> and charge higher prices. "

How odd that they dont with their other non US web sites.


Rod Speed

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Jan 20, 2012, 10:05:32 PM1/20/12
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Bob Milutinovic wrote
> Phil Allison <phi...@tpg.com.au> wrote
>> felix unger wrote
>> Don McKenzie wrote

>>>> Amazon may launch Australian website

>>>> Well, this may put the cat amongst the pigeons.

>>>> Bricks-and-mortar retailers may soon be facing another online
>>>> threat with Amazon considering setting up a base in Australia.

>>>> The US online retailer that sells a range of electrical items has managed to take a significant share of the local
>>>> market for computer software, books and DVDs.

>>>> According to Morgan Stanley, Amazon wants to further build its
>>>> online sales in Australia, and may be considering setting up an
>>>> Australian-based website.

>>>> Full story at:
>>>> http://www.connectedaustralia.com/News/BreakingNews/tabid/119/ArticleId/6632/Amazon-may-launch-Australian-website.aspx

>>> Good news!

>> Like hell.

>> " If Amazon does establish an Australian site, consumers could be prevented
>> from purchasing from the US and UK sites, and charge higher prices. "

> The US and UK sites already charge ridiculous prices compared to other
> online retailers. I've not been able to find one exception to this rule.

I have.

> The problem however is that it's a simple "one-stop-shop," which is in itself a boon for people who're too lazy or too
> stupid to properly search online.

And those who are sick of farting around trying to work out who is happy to export and
how much they plan to change to do that, with some of the other viable shopping sites.


felix_unger

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Jan 20, 2012, 11:00:53 PM1/20/12
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eBay rules!

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Rheilly Phoull

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Jan 21, 2012, 3:53:49 AM1/21/12
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Hopefully they might persuade a lot of the sellers to sell to us as well !

Rheilly P

SolomonW

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Jan 21, 2012, 5:39:28 AM1/21/12
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On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 08:17:15 +1100, Don McKenzie wrote:

> Amazon may launch Australian website
>
> Well, this may put the cat amongst the pigeons.
>
> Bricks-and-mortar retailers may soon be facing another online threat with Amazon considering setting up a base in Australia.
>
> The US online retailer that sells a range of electrical items has managed to take a significant share of the local
> market for computer software, books and DVDs.
>
> According to Morgan Stanley, Amazon wants to further build its online sales in Australia, and may be considering setting
> up an Australian-based website.
>
> Full story at:
> http://www.connectedaustralia.com/News/BreakingNews/tabid/119/ArticleId/6632/Amazon-may-launch-Australian-website.aspx
>
> Cheers Don...
>
> ====================

I doubt it will happen, Amazon now can market to Australia without GST, if
the set up a website here they may need to pay GST.

Why do you think Harvey Norman is setting up a website overseas?


Don McKenzie

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Jan 21, 2012, 9:15:57 AM1/21/12
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On 21-Jan-12 9:39 PM, SolomonW wrote:

> I doubt it will happen, Amazon now can market to Australia without GST, if
> the set up a website here they may need to pay GST.

They pay GST, then they get it back, same as any Australian run business.

OK, the customer has to pay GST, but it isn't about the 10%.
It is about the big percentage markups some companies have got away with charging customers for years.

Not that I think Amazon specifically will pass on any savings. I'm sure you won't be able to get certain books or goods
here as quickly as they are released in the US.

> Why do you think Harvey Norman is setting up a website overseas?

because the public told him what he was doing wrong, and 10 years late, he thought he better get with the act.
Gerry doesn't quite get it.
again, it has nothing to do with the 10%

Mind you, when on line overseas sales builds to a massive scale that greatly affects gst income, the fed govt will
scramble to think up some new tax plan.

Cheers Don...

Rod Speed

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Jan 21, 2012, 1:31:24 PM1/21/12
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felix_unger wrote
> Bob Milutinovic wrote
>> Phil Allison <phi...@tpg.com.au> wrote
>>> felix_unger wrote
>>> Don McKenzie wrote

>>>>> Amazon may launch Australian website

>>>>> Well, this may put the cat amongst the pigeons.

>>>>> Bricks-and-mortar retailers may soon be facing another online
>>>>> threat with Amazon considering setting up a base in Australia.

>>>>> The US online retailer that sells a range of electrical items has managed to take a significant share of the local
>>>>> market for computer software, books and DVDs.

>>>>> According to Morgan Stanley, Amazon wants to further build its
>>>>> online sales in Australia, and may be considering setting up an
>>>>> Australian-based website.

>>>>> Full story at:
>>>>> http://www.connectedaustralia.com/News/BreakingNews/tabid/119/ArticleId/6632/Amazon-may-launch-Australian-website.aspx

>>>> Good news!

>>> Like hell.

>>> " If Amazon does establish an Australian site, consumers could be prevented from purchasing from the US and UK
>>> sites, and charge higher prices."

>> The US and UK sites already charge ridiculous prices compared to
>> other online retailers. I've not been able to find one exception to this rule.

>> The problem however is that it's a simple "one-stop-shop," which is
>> in itself a boon for people who're too lazy or too stupid to properly
>> search online.

> eBay rules!

Nope, with some stuff there is nothing like the same collection to choose from with ebay,


Rod Speed

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Jan 21, 2012, 1:47:40 PM1/21/12
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SolomonW wrote
> Don McKenzie wrote

>> Amazon may launch Australian website

>> Well, this may put the cat amongst the pigeons.

>> Bricks-and-mortar retailers may soon be facing another online
>> threat with Amazon considering setting up a base in Australia.

>> The US online retailer that sells a range of electrical items
>> has managed to take a significant share of the local
>> market for computer software, books and DVDs.

>> According to Morgan Stanley, Amazon wants to further build its
>> online sales in Australia, and may be considering setting
>> up an Australian-based website.

>> Full story at:
>> http://www.connectedaustralia.com/News/BreakingNews/tabid/119/ArticleId/6632/Amazon-may-launch-Australian-website.aspx

>> Cheers Don...

>> ====================

> I doubt it will happen, Amazon now can market to Australia without
> GST, if the set up a website here they may need to pay GST.

That didnt stop them having a pom web site.

> Why do you think Harvey Norman is setting up a website overseas?

Different matter entirely.


SolomonW

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Jan 21, 2012, 3:19:58 PM1/21/12
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On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 01:15:57 +1100, Don McKenzie wrote:

> On 21-Jan-12 9:39 PM, SolomonW wrote:
>
>> I doubt it will happen, Amazon now can market to Australia without GST, if
>> the set up a website here they may need to pay GST.
>
> They pay GST, then they get it back, same as any Australian run business.
>
> OK, the customer has to pay GST, but it isn't about the 10%.

Actually, it does as it adds up to 10% more for the customer. When people
do there buying online that is a big issue.


> It is about the big percentage markups some companies have got away with charging customers for years.
>
> Not that I think Amazon specifically will pass on any savings.

Which destroys that argument for Amazon


> I'm sure you won't be able to get certain books or goods
> here as quickly as they are released in the US.

Which also destroys that argument for Amazon

One problem you have here is physical books are dying. Much of the stuff I
am reading now is electronic which can be serviced fine by Amazon overseas.


>
>> Why do you think Harvey Norman is setting up a website overseas?
>
> because the public told him what he was doing wrong, and 10 years late, he thought he better get with the act.
> Gerry doesn't quite get it.
> again, it has nothing to do with the 10%
>

That is not what Gerry is saying.

> Mind you, when on line overseas sales builds to a massive scale that greatly affects gst income, the fed govt will
> scramble to think up some new tax plan.
>
> Cheers Don...
>
> =================

Of course.





Don McKenzie

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Jan 21, 2012, 4:09:41 PM1/21/12
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> One problem you have here is physical books are dying. Much of the stuff I
> am reading now is electronic which can be serviced fine by Amazon overseas.

Serviced? Well, not really.

Why is Australia limited to certain eBook publications by Amazon?

My wife was one of the first oz customers to buy books from amazon, and then eBooks by being one of the first to buy a
kindle when they were offered to Australians.

She has something like 200 books she has purchased for her kindle.

She tells me that she can't get the same books that are offered in the US, or they are released here months after their
US release. "Not available to Australian Customers".

Why would this be? It doesn't make sense.

She often buys a hard copy here, before it is released on Kindle for Australians, yet it is available in the US on line.

Cheers Don...

=======================

Rod Speed

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Jan 21, 2012, 5:19:38 PM1/21/12
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SolomonW wrote
> Don McKenzie wrote
>> SolomonW wrote

>>> I doubt it will happen, Amazon now can market to Australia without
>>> GST, if the set up a website here they may need to pay GST.

>> They pay GST, then they get it back, same as any Australian run business.

>> OK, the customer has to pay GST, but it isn't about the 10%.

> Actually, it does as it adds up to 10% more for the customer.
> When people do there buying online that is a big issue.

Nope, its just part of what they really care about, the total they pay.

>> It is about the big percentage markups some companies
>> have got away with charging customers for years.

>> Not that I think Amazon specifically will pass on any savings.

> Which destroys that argument for Amazon

Not if he is wrong on that.

>> I'm sure you won't be able to get certain books or
>> goods here as quickly as they are released in the US.

> Which also destroys that argument for Amazon

Nope, all they need to do is do it quicker than the locals.

> One problem you have here is physical books are dying.

We'll see...

> Much of the stuff I am reading now is electronic
> which can be serviced fine by Amazon overseas.

Sure, but it remains to be seen what percentage of the sales end up like that.

>>> Why do you think Harvey Norman is setting up a website overseas?

>> because the public told him what he was doing wrong, and 10 years
>> late, he thought he better get with the act. Gerry doesn't quite get it.

>> again, it has nothing to do with the 10%

> That is not what Gerry is saying.

That fool never has had a fucking clue about net sales.

>> Mind you, when on line overseas sales builds to a massive scale that
>> greatly affects gst income, the fed govt will scramble to think up
>> some new tax plan.

> Of course.


Peter

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Jan 21, 2012, 5:19:51 PM1/21/12
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Don McKenzie <5...@2.5A> wrote:
>> One problem you have here is physical books are dying. Much of the stuff I
>> am reading now is electronic which can be serviced fine by Amazon overseas.
>
> Serviced? Well, not really.
>
> Why is Australia limited to certain eBook publications by Amazon?
>
> My wife was one of the first oz customers to buy books from amazon, and
> then eBooks by being one of the first to buy a kindle when they were
> offered to Australians.
>
> She has something like 200 books she has purchased for her kindle.
>
> She tells me that she can't get the same books that are offered in the
> US, or they are released here months after their US release. "Not
> available to Australian Customers".
>
> Why would this be? It doesn't make sense.
>
> She often buys a hard copy here, before it is released on Kindle for
> Australians, yet it is available in the US on line.
>
> Cheers Don...
>
> =======================


My guess...

Copyright protection or at least trying to preserve some income.
You have proven it is working!
We Australians are bastards for putting stuff online that doesn't belong to
us.
I think the US laws and how they are policed are a little different to here
as well.

Just a guess.

--
:-P

SolomonW

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Jan 21, 2012, 6:44:44 PM1/21/12
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On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 08:09:41 +1100, Don McKenzie wrote:

>> One problem you have here is physical books are dying. Much of the stuff I
>> am reading now is electronic which can be serviced fine by Amazon overseas.
>
> Serviced? Well, not really.
>
> Why is Australia limited to certain eBook publications by Amazon?
>
> My wife was one of the first oz customers to buy books from amazon, and then eBooks by being one of the first to buy a
> kindle when they were offered to Australians.
>
> She has something like 200 books she has purchased for her kindle.
>
> She tells me that she can't get the same books that are offered in the US, or they are released here months after their
> US release. "Not available to Australian Customers".
>
> Why would this be? It doesn't make sense.
>
> She often buys a hard copy here, before it is released on Kindle for Australians, yet it is available in the US on line.
>
> Cheers Don...
>
> =======================

Nothing will change about this if Amazon has an Australian website except
you will now be charged an extra 10% GST.

There are work a rounds for kindle.
http://www.labnol.org/gadgets/buy-amazon-kindle-books-magazines-outside-us/4022/


Rod Speed

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Jan 21, 2012, 6:56:02 PM1/21/12
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SolomonW wrote
> Don McKenzie wrote

>>> One problem you have here is physical books are dying.
>>> Much of the stuff I am reading now is electronic which
>>> can be serviced fine by Amazon overseas.

>> Serviced? Well, not really.

>> Why is Australia limited to certain eBook publications by Amazon?

>> My wife was one of the first oz customers to buy books from amazon,
>> and then eBooks by being one of the first to buy a kindle when they
>> were offered to Australians.

>> She has something like 200 books she has purchased for her kindle.

>> She tells me that she can't get the same books that are offered in
>> the US, or they are released here months after their US release.
>> "Not available to Australian Customers".

>> Why would this be? It doesn't make sense.

>> She often buys a hard copy here, before it is released on
>> Kindle for Australians, yet it is available in the US on line.

> Nothing will change about this if Amazon has an Australian website
> except you will now be charged an extra 10% GST.

Wrong, a lot more stuff will be shipped to Australia, stupid.

And have fun explaining why that already happens with the pommy amazon site.

Don McKenzie

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Jan 21, 2012, 7:37:10 PM1/21/12
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On 22-Jan-12 10:44 AM, SolomonW wrote:

> There are work a rounds for kindle.
> http://www.labnol.org/gadgets/buy-amazon-kindle-books-magazines-outside-us/4022/

30/07/08
sorry, article is 2.5 years old, and you have been able to get a kindle in oz for a long time now.

Cheers Don...

Rod Speed

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Jan 21, 2012, 8:40:45 PM1/21/12
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Don McKenzie wrote
> SolomonW wrote

>> There are work a rounds for kindle.
>> http://www.labnol.org/gadgets/buy-amazon-kindle-books-magazines-outside-us/4022/

> 30/07/08
> sorry, article is 2.5 years old, and you have been able to get a kindle in oz for a long time now.

The article does tell you how to get the ebooks that
you cant get with your normal amazon account tho.


terryc

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Jan 21, 2012, 9:57:22 PM1/21/12
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Don McKenzie wrote:

> Why would this be? It doesn't make sense.

Because Amazon doesn't have the rights to sell that book in Australia
(yet). If I remember it correctly, Australian Publishers were given 12
months to publish a book here, before it could be directly imported from
overseas. Probably includes electronic rights as well.

Rod Speed

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Jan 21, 2012, 10:25:57 PM1/21/12
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terryc wrote:
> Don McKenzie wrote:

>> Why is Australia limited to certain eBook publications by Amazon?

>> My wife was one of the first oz customers to buy books from amazon, and then eBooks by being one of the first to buy
>> a
>> kindle when they were offered to Australians.

>> She has something like 200 books she has purchased for her kindle.

>> She tells me that she can't get the same books that are offered in the US, or they are released here months after
>> their US release. "Not available to Australian Customers".

>> Why would this be? It doesn't make sense.

> Because Amazon doesn't have the rights to sell that book in Australia (yet). If I remember it correctly, Australian
> Publishers were given 12 months to publish a book here, before it could be directly imported from overseas.

You're wrong, as always.

You are free to import for your own use anything you like and
overseas retaillers are free to sell you anything you want too.

The limitation you utterly mangled, as always, only applys TO LOCAL PUBLISHING.

> Probably includes electronic rights as well.

Wrong, as always.


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