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Don McKenzie
Jan 21, 2012, 1:43:31 PM1/21/12
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PC sales have flat-lined. Seems the Android, iPhone, iPad, and other gadgets, such as internet TVs are having a massive
affect on current PC sales.
Is the PC industry is heading for collapse?
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/the-pc-industry-is-heading-for-collapse/17828
Cheers Don...
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Petzl
Jan 21, 2012, 5:11:05 PM1/21/12
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On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 05:43:31 +1100, Don McKenzie <5...@2.5A> wrote:
>
>PC sales have flat-lined. Seems the Android, iPhone, iPad, and other gadgets, such as internet TVs are having a massive
>affect on current PC sales.
>
>Is the PC industry is heading for collapse?
>
>http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/the-pc-industry-is-heading-for-collapse/17828
>
>Cheers Don...
>
>==================
I think it's because of Windows
>
>PC sales have flat-lined. Seems the Android, iPhone, iPad, and other gadgets, such as internet TVs are having a massive
>affect on current PC sales.
>
>Is the PC industry is heading for collapse?
>
>http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/the-pc-industry-is-heading-for-collapse/17828
>
>Cheers Don...
>
>==================
My Laptop 2 years old is noe being slowed down by the sloth ware
Windows deliberatly add so you have to buy a new computer and they
then sell another operating system (mines Win7 32 bit home edition and
still don't see it better than what was with "Win3.11").
On the verge ou "Upgrading" Aldi were selling a 10" Android tablet I
am still working out its nuts and bolts but it's not bad (IMO)
http://www.aldi.com.au/au/html/offers/2827_20131.htm
Androus is run on Linux based system, IPads are run on Unix based
system. Run faster don't use anywhere as much dish space light and
very portable with long battery run times.
They are getting better and cheaper
http://eee.asus.com/eeepad/transformer-prime/features/
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Rod Speed
Jan 21, 2012, 5:15:17 PM1/21/12
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Don McKenzie wrote
> PC sales have flat-lined.
Nope, just havent seen any growth lately, a different matter entirely.
> Seems the Android, iPhone, iPad, and other gadgets, such as internet TVs are having a massive affect on current PC
> sales.
PC still outsell all the rest combined.
> Is the PC industry is heading for collapse?
Corse not. The most we might see is another change
of physical format like we did from desktops to laptops.
> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/the-pc-industry-is-heading-for-collapse/17828
> PC sales have flat-lined.
Nope, just havent seen any growth lately, a different matter entirely.
> Seems the Android, iPhone, iPad, and other gadgets, such as internet TVs are having a massive affect on current PC
> sales.
> Is the PC industry is heading for collapse?
of physical format like we did from desktops to laptops.
> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/the-pc-industry-is-heading-for-collapse/17828
Don McKenzie
Jan 21, 2012, 5:23:09 PM1/21/12
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On 22-Jan-12 9:15 AM, Rod Speed wrote:
> Corse not. The most we might see is another change
> of physical format like we did from desktops to laptops.
Hey, it's getting harder to find a desktop in a shop like JB HiFi
> Corse not. The most we might see is another change
> of physical format like we did from desktops to laptops.
100 laptops, and 6 desktops seems to be almost the norm.
However PCs fully built into screens is becoming more popular.
Rod Speed
Jan 21, 2012, 5:33:30 PM1/21/12
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Pretzl wrote
saw with laptops and amplified by Job's brilliance at marketing.
> My Laptop 2 years old is noe being slowed down by the sloth ware
None of the laptops I look after that came with Win7 are.
> Windows deliberatly add so you have to buy a new computer
Just another of your silly little conspiracy theorys.
> and they then sell another operating system (mines Win7 32 bit home
> edition and still don't see it better than what was with "Win3.11").
More fool you. Its nothing like it.
> On the verge ou "Upgrading" Aldi were selling a 10" Android tablet
> I am still working out its nuts and bolts but it's not bad (IMO)
> http://www.aldi.com.au/au/html/offers/2827_20131.htm
Nothing like the performance of a decent i7 laptop with lots of memory and Win7 64 bit.
> Androus is run on Linux based system, IPads are run on Unix
> based system. Run faster don't use anywhere as much dish
> space light and very portable with long battery run times.
iPads have pathetic battery life compared with a kindle.
Electronics always does, stupid.
And notebooks are much slower than a real laptop.
> Don McKenzie <5...@2.5A> wrote
>> PC sales have flat-lined. Seems the Android, iPhone,
>> iPad, and other gadgets, such as internet TVs are
>> having a massive affect on current PC sales.
>> Is the PC industry is heading for collapse?
>> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/the-pc-industry-is-heading-for-collapse/17828
>> PC sales have flat-lined. Seems the Android, iPhone,
>> iPad, and other gadgets, such as internet TVs are
>> having a massive affect on current PC sales.
>> Is the PC industry is heading for collapse?
>> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/the-pc-industry-is-heading-for-collapse/17828
> I think it's because of Windows
You're wrong. Its just another change of physical format like we
saw with laptops and amplified by Job's brilliance at marketing.
> My Laptop 2 years old is noe being slowed down by the sloth ware
> Windows deliberatly add so you have to buy a new computer
> and they then sell another operating system (mines Win7 32 bit home
> edition and still don't see it better than what was with "Win3.11").
> On the verge ou "Upgrading" Aldi were selling a 10" Android tablet
> I am still working out its nuts and bolts but it's not bad (IMO)
> http://www.aldi.com.au/au/html/offers/2827_20131.htm
> Androus is run on Linux based system, IPads are run on Unix
> based system. Run faster don't use anywhere as much dish
> space light and very portable with long battery run times.
Electronics always does, stupid.
And notebooks are much slower than a real laptop.
Petzl
Jan 21, 2012, 6:01:33 PM1/21/12
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On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 09:33:30 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Pretzl wrote
>> Don McKenzie <5...@2.5A> wrote
>
>>> PC sales have flat-lined. Seems the Android, iPhone,
>>> iPad, and other gadgets, such as internet TVs are
>>> having a massive affect on current PC sales.
>
>>> Is the PC industry is heading for collapse?
>
>>> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/the-pc-industry-is-heading-for-collapse/17828
>
>> I think it's because of Windows
>
>You're wrong. Its just another change of physical format like we
>saw with laptops and amplified by Job's brilliance at marketing.
>
>> My Laptop 2 years old is now being slowed down by the sloth ware
<rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Pretzl wrote
>> Don McKenzie <5...@2.5A> wrote
>
>>> PC sales have flat-lined. Seems the Android, iPhone,
>>> iPad, and other gadgets, such as internet TVs are
>>> having a massive affect on current PC sales.
>
>>> Is the PC industry is heading for collapse?
>
>>> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/the-pc-industry-is-heading-for-collapse/17828
>
>> I think it's because of Windows
>
>You're wrong. Its just another change of physical format like we
>saw with laptops and amplified by Job's brilliance at marketing.
>
>
>None of the laptops I look after that came with Win7 are.
>
The IT crowd using XP on a computer controlled process believe it and
>None of the laptops I look after that came with Win7 are.
>
won't upgrade
>> Windows deliberatly add so you have to buy a new computer
>
>Just another of your silly little conspiracy theorys.
>
>> and they then sell another operating system (mines Win7 32 bit home
>> edition and still don't see it better than what was with "Win3.11").
>
>More fool you. Its nothing like it.
>
>> On the verge ou "Upgrading" Aldi were selling a 10" Android tablet
>> I am still working out its nuts and bolts but it's not bad (IMO)
>> http://www.aldi.com.au/au/html/offers/2827_20131.htm
>
>Nothing like the performance of a decent i7 laptop with lots of memory and Win7 64 bit.
>
produce them. Seem to be saving them for Win8
>> Androids is run on Linux based system, IPads are run on Unix
>> based system. Run faster don't use anywhere as much dish
>> space light and very portable with long battery run times.
>
>iPads have pathetic battery life compared with a kindle.
>
Mine get 8 hours the Asus Android gets 16 hours and comes with a i7
>> space light and very portable with long battery run times.
>
>iPads have pathetic battery life compared with a kindle.
>
chip
>> They are getting better and cheaper
>> http://eee.asus.com/eeepad/transformer-prime/features/
>
>Electronics always does, stupid.
>
>And notebooks are much slower than a real laptop.
>
Again the only Laptops that come with a i7 weigh around five kilos,
>> http://eee.asus.com/eeepad/transformer-prime/features/
>
>Electronics always does, stupid.
>
>And notebooks are much slower than a real laptop.
>
the Asus tablet Eee Pad weighs ½ kilo and runs on battery 16 hours
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Rod Speed
Jan 21, 2012, 6:46:10 PM1/21/12
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Don McKenzie wrote:
> On 22-Jan-12 9:15 AM, Rod Speed wrote:
>> Corse not. The most we might see is another change
>> of physical format like we did from desktops to laptops.
> Hey, it's getting harder to find a desktop in a shop like JB HiFi
Sure, but plenty in Hardly Normal and I noticed that OfficeWorks
> On 22-Jan-12 9:15 AM, Rod Speed wrote:
>> Corse not. The most we might see is another change
>> of physical format like we did from desktops to laptops.
> Hey, it's getting harder to find a desktop in a shop like JB HiFi
was pushing some in their Back to School ads on TV too.
I'm the only one that has bought one recently amoungst the ones I know tho.
> 100 laptops, and 6 desktops seems to be almost the norm.
Hardly Normal, but still many more laptops than dekstops.
> However PCs fully built into screens is becoming more popular.
I dont like laptops as the main machine myself, but I certainly
use the PC a lot more than anyone else I know does.
I do use one around the house, listening to radio national stuff while
bottling the beer and in the kitchen updating the food database, stuff
I buy in bulk that ends up in the freezer etc. I buy full slabs of porterhouse
and scotch fillet and cut it up myself to get the thick steaks I prefer.
Rod Speed
Jan 21, 2012, 6:53:48 PM1/21/12
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Pretzl wrote
> and won't upgrade
More fool them, Win7 leaves it for dead.
>>> Windows deliberatly add so you have to buy a new computer
>> Just another of your silly little conspiracy theorys.
> Don't think so
Corse it is, its completely trivial to prove that its a bare faced lie.
>>> and they then sell another operating system (mines Win7 32 bit home
>>> edition and still don't see it better than what was with "Win3.11").
>> More fool you. Its nothing like it.
> For me no difference.
Another bare faced lie.
> 3.11 would run on a 386 computer will Win7?
Who gives a flying red fuck ? No one with even 0.001 of a clue would even use one now.
>>> On the verge ou "Upgrading" Aldi were selling a 10" Android tablet
>>> I am still working out its nuts and bolts but it's not bad (IMO)
>>> http://www.aldi.com.au/au/html/offers/2827_20131.htm
>> Nothing like the performance of a decent i7 laptop
>> with lots of memory and Win7 64 bit.
> Show me a 10" Win7 laptop that has a i7 quad chip?
Only a fool demands a 10" screen.
Anyone with even half a clue has a much bigger screen and a tablet.
> Seem reluctant to produce them.
Because anyone with even 0.001 of a clue doesnt use such
a small screen on a system with a decent capability.
> Seem to be saving them for Win8
Fantasy.
>>> Androids is run on Linux based system, IPads are run on Unix
>>> based system. Run faster don't use anywhere as much dish
>>> space light and very portable with long battery run times.
>> iPads have pathetic battery life compared with a kindle.
> Mine get 8 hours
And thats pathetic compared with what a kindle gets.
> the Asus Android gets 16 hours
And thats pathetic compared with what a kindle gets.
> and comes with a i7 chip
>>> They are getting better and cheaper
>>> http://eee.asus.com/eeepad/transformer-prime/features/
>> Electronics always does, stupid.
>> And notebooks are much slower than a real laptop.
> Again the only Laptops that come with a i7 weigh around five kilos,
> the Asus tablet Eee Pad weighs ½ kilo and runs on battery 16 hours
So anyone with even 0.001 of a clue has both, stupid.
And a proper desktop too so you can stuff it with
the 2TB drives that you need on any decent PVR.
> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>> Pretzl wrote
>>> Don McKenzie <5...@2.5A> wrote
>>>> PC sales have flat-lined. Seems the Android, iPhone,
>>>> iPad, and other gadgets, such as internet TVs are
>>>> having a massive affect on current PC sales.
>>>> Is the PC industry is heading for collapse?
>>>> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/the-pc-industry-is-heading-for-collapse/17828
>>> I think it's because of Windows
>> You're wrong. Its just another change of physical format like we
>> saw with laptops and amplified by Job's brilliance at marketing.
>>> My Laptop 2 years old is now being slowed down by the sloth ware
>> None of the laptops I look after that came with Win7 are.
> The IT crowd using XP on a computer controlled process believe it
More fool them, I can prove its a lie.
>> Pretzl wrote
>>> Don McKenzie <5...@2.5A> wrote
>>>> PC sales have flat-lined. Seems the Android, iPhone,
>>>> iPad, and other gadgets, such as internet TVs are
>>>> having a massive affect on current PC sales.
>>>> Is the PC industry is heading for collapse?
>>>> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/the-pc-industry-is-heading-for-collapse/17828
>>> I think it's because of Windows
>> You're wrong. Its just another change of physical format like we
>> saw with laptops and amplified by Job's brilliance at marketing.
>>> My Laptop 2 years old is now being slowed down by the sloth ware
>> None of the laptops I look after that came with Win7 are.
> The IT crowd using XP on a computer controlled process believe it
> and won't upgrade
More fool them, Win7 leaves it for dead.
>>> Windows deliberatly add so you have to buy a new computer
>> Just another of your silly little conspiracy theorys.
> Don't think so
>>> and they then sell another operating system (mines Win7 32 bit home
>>> edition and still don't see it better than what was with "Win3.11").
>> More fool you. Its nothing like it.
> For me no difference.
> 3.11 would run on a 386 computer will Win7?
>>> On the verge ou "Upgrading" Aldi were selling a 10" Android tablet
>>> I am still working out its nuts and bolts but it's not bad (IMO)
>>> http://www.aldi.com.au/au/html/offers/2827_20131.htm
>> Nothing like the performance of a decent i7 laptop
>> with lots of memory and Win7 64 bit.
> Show me a 10" Win7 laptop that has a i7 quad chip?
Anyone with even half a clue has a much bigger screen and a tablet.
> Seem reluctant to produce them.
a small screen on a system with a decent capability.
> Seem to be saving them for Win8
>>> Androids is run on Linux based system, IPads are run on Unix
>>> based system. Run faster don't use anywhere as much dish
>>> space light and very portable with long battery run times.
>> iPads have pathetic battery life compared with a kindle.
> Mine get 8 hours
> the Asus Android gets 16 hours
> and comes with a i7 chip
>>> They are getting better and cheaper
>>> http://eee.asus.com/eeepad/transformer-prime/features/
>> Electronics always does, stupid.
>> And notebooks are much slower than a real laptop.
> Again the only Laptops that come with a i7 weigh around five kilos,
> the Asus tablet Eee Pad weighs ½ kilo and runs on battery 16 hours
And a proper desktop too so you can stuff it with
the 2TB drives that you need on any decent PVR.
Petzl
Jan 21, 2012, 7:22:35 PM1/21/12
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On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 10:53:48 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> They are getting better and cheaper
>>>> http://eee.asus.com/eeepad/transformer-prime/features/
>
>>> Electronics always does, stupid.
>
>>> And notebooks are much slower than a real laptop.
>
>> Again the only Laptops that come with a i7 weigh around five kilos,
>> the Asus tablet Eee Pad weighs ½ kilo and runs on battery 16 hours
>
>So anyone with even 0.001 of a clue has both, stupid.
>
>And a proper desktop too so you can stuff it with
>the 2TB drives that you need on any decent PVR.
>
A lot of users like the light weight long battery life (not a kindle
<rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> They are getting better and cheaper
>>>> http://eee.asus.com/eeepad/transformer-prime/features/
>
>>> Electronics always does, stupid.
>
>>> And notebooks are much slower than a real laptop.
>
>> Again the only Laptops that come with a i7 weigh around five kilos,
>> the Asus tablet Eee Pad weighs ½ kilo and runs on battery 16 hours
>
>So anyone with even 0.001 of a clue has both, stupid.
>
>And a proper desktop too so you can stuff it with
>the 2TB drives that you need on any decent PVR.
>
which is just an electronic book) and find it much more productive
rather than hauling a 5 kilo windows Laptop around.
Through the HDMI ports you can run it on in my case 42" LCD
With the USB ports you can add as bigger drives as you want. As most
if not all of your Apps are available on the net there is no need to
have them on your computer. A bit of a problem is to get a "Cloud"
ready printer.
I have a Kodak ESP7 which don't and Kodak have now turned to shit
(where have I heard that before)
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Rod Speed
Jan 21, 2012, 8:35:39 PM1/21/12
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Pretzl wrote
> (not a kindle which is just an electronic book)
Wrong, as always.
> and find it much more productive rather than hauling a 5 kilo windows Laptop around.
Most dont move whatever they use around that much and use a light weight one only when
they do move it around much and use a much more capable system when they dont need that.
> Through the HDMI ports you can run it on in my case 42" LCD
And by the time you plug in a decent screen, and a real keyboard,
you might as well have another decent capability system that you
dont have to fart around like that every time you want to use it and
which you can put all your 2TB drives into too.
> With the USB ports you can add as bigger drives as you want.
Much more convenient to be able to have them all in a decent desktop system.
> As most if not all of your Apps are available on the
> net there is no need to have them on your computer.
Most have enough of a clue to have what they use much on the computer
so they dont have to fart around when they want to use them.
> A bit of a problem is to get a "Cloud" ready printer.
I print fuck all anyway.
> I have a Kodak ESP7 which don't and Kodak have now turned to shit
Nope, its just Chapter 11, stupid.
> (where have I heard that before)
Likely it was just the voices in your head, again.
> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> They are getting better and cheaper
>>>>> http://eee.asus.com/eeepad/transformer-prime/features/
>>>> Electronics always does, stupid.
>>>> And notebooks are much slower than a real laptop.
>>> Again the only Laptops that come with a i7 weigh around five kilos,
>>> the Asus tablet Eee Pad weighs ½ kilo and runs on battery 16 hours
>> So anyone with even 0.001 of a clue has both, stupid.
>> And a proper desktop too so you can stuff it with
>> the 2TB drives that you need on any decent PVR.
> A lot of users like the light weight long battery life
Yes, but if they use the PC much, they want a lot more than just that too.
>>>>> They are getting better and cheaper
>>>>> http://eee.asus.com/eeepad/transformer-prime/features/
>>>> Electronics always does, stupid.
>>>> And notebooks are much slower than a real laptop.
>>> Again the only Laptops that come with a i7 weigh around five kilos,
>>> the Asus tablet Eee Pad weighs ½ kilo and runs on battery 16 hours
>> So anyone with even 0.001 of a clue has both, stupid.
>> And a proper desktop too so you can stuff it with
>> the 2TB drives that you need on any decent PVR.
> A lot of users like the light weight long battery life
> (not a kindle which is just an electronic book)
> and find it much more productive rather than hauling a 5 kilo windows Laptop around.
they do move it around much and use a much more capable system when they dont need that.
> Through the HDMI ports you can run it on in my case 42" LCD
you might as well have another decent capability system that you
dont have to fart around like that every time you want to use it and
which you can put all your 2TB drives into too.
> With the USB ports you can add as bigger drives as you want.
> As most if not all of your Apps are available on the
> net there is no need to have them on your computer.
so they dont have to fart around when they want to use them.
> A bit of a problem is to get a "Cloud" ready printer.
> I have a Kodak ESP7 which don't and Kodak have now turned to shit
> (where have I heard that before)
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terryc
Jan 21, 2012, 10:00:35 PM1/21/12
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Don McKenzie wrote:
>
> PC sales have flat-lined. Seems the Android, iPhone, iPad, and other
> gadgets, such as internet TVs are having a massive affect on current PC
> sales.
>
> Is the PC industry is heading for collapse?
Shrug, just morphing to another form.
>
> PC sales have flat-lined. Seems the Android, iPhone, iPad, and other
> gadgets, such as internet TVs are having a massive affect on current PC
> sales.
>
> Is the PC industry is heading for collapse?
More gadget orientated.
<tic> been going downhill ever since you purchased four refrigerator
size cabinentto hold the cpu, tape drive, hard disk and a spare</tic>
Rod Speed
Jan 21, 2012, 10:27:51 PM1/21/12
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terryc wrote
Going downhill since LONG before that, stupid.
terryc
Jan 21, 2012, 10:36:54 PM1/21/12
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Rod Speed wrote:
> Because anyone with even 0.001 of a clue doesnt use such
> a small screen on a system with a decent capability.
Wod, sure your name isn't Ron? As in IRONY.
> Because anyone with even 0.001 of a clue doesnt use such
> a small screen on a system with a decent capability.
And in a thread about gadgets too..
terryc
Jan 21, 2012, 10:38:39 PM1/21/12
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Rod Speed wrote:
> Don McKenzie wrote
>
>> PC sales have flat-lined.
>
> Nope, just havent seen any growth lately, a different matter entirely.
Is that "going forward" Vs "in the future"?
> Don McKenzie wrote
>
>> PC sales have flat-lined.
>
> Nope, just havent seen any growth lately, a different matter entirely.
terryc
Jan 21, 2012, 10:44:13 PM1/21/12
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Don McKenzie wrote:
> On 22-Jan-12 9:15 AM, Rod Speed wrote:
>
>> Corse not. The most we might see is another change
>> of physical format like we did from desktops to laptops.
>
> Hey, it's getting harder to find a desktop in a shop like JB HiFi
Correct me if I'm wrong, but JB HiFi's focus selling electronic gadgets,
> On 22-Jan-12 9:15 AM, Rod Speed wrote:
>
>> Corse not. The most we might see is another change
>> of physical format like we did from desktops to laptops.
>
> Hey, it's getting harder to find a desktop in a shop like JB HiFi
any electronc gadget that is popular, that is a closed box, especially
if if has lots of high priced add-ons/plug ins.
These don't require much ability in the sales droids. Desktops had that
bad aspect that they needed to be opend to have add-ons added into them.
Gadgets are so much easier.
> However PCs fully built into screens is becoming more popular.
terryc
Jan 21, 2012, 10:50:05 PM1/21/12
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Don McKenzie
Jan 22, 2012, 12:30:14 AM1/22/12
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On 22-Jan-12 2:50 PM, terryc wrote:
> Rod Speed wrote:
>> terryc wrote
> Rod Speed wrote:
>> terryc wrote
> If only we could harness George Julius spinning in his grave.
How many people reading this would know who George Julius was without asking Dr Google? :-)
Cheers Don...
====================
Rod Speed
Jan 22, 2012, 12:38:08 AM1/22/12
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terryc wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>>> Show me a 10" Win7 laptop that has a i7 quad chip?
>> Only a fool demands a 10" screen.
>> Anyone with even half a clue has a much bigger screen and a tablet.
>>> Seem reluctant to produce them.
>> Only a fool demands a 10" screen.
>> Anyone with even half a clue has a much bigger screen and a tablet.
>>> Seem reluctant to produce them.
>> Because anyone with even 0.001 of a clue doesnt use such
>> a small screen on a system with a decent capability.
> Wod, sure your name isn't Ron? As in IRONY.
Irrelevant to what was being discussed there, fuckwit.
>> a small screen on a system with a decent capability.
> Wod, sure your name isn't Ron? As in IRONY.
> And in a thread about gadgets too..
It was actually about the purported imminent demise of the PC.
Rod Speed
Jan 22, 2012, 12:39:29 AM1/22/12
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terryc wrote
Try that again instead of using gibberish.
terryc
Jan 22, 2012, 12:43:26 AM1/22/12
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Don McKenzie wrote:
> On 22-Jan-12 2:50 PM, terryc wrote:
>> Rod Speed wrote:
>>> terryc wrote
>
>> If only we could harness George Julius spinning in his grave.
>
> How many people reading this would know who George Julius was without
> asking Dr Google? :-)
Chuckle. How unAustralian, not knowing about the tote.
> On 22-Jan-12 2:50 PM, terryc wrote:
>> Rod Speed wrote:
>>> terryc wrote
>
>> If only we could harness George Julius spinning in his grave.
>
> How many people reading this would know who George Julius was without
> asking Dr Google? :-)
http://www.acms.org.au/history/julius_george/index.shtml
Rod Speed
Jan 22, 2012, 12:45:36 AM1/22/12
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terryc wrote
> Don McKenzie wrote
> Don McKenzie wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> Corse not. The most we might see is another change
>>> of physical format like we did from desktops to laptops.
>> Hey, it's getting harder to find a desktop in a shop like JB HiFi
>>> Corse not. The most we might see is another change
>>> of physical format like we did from desktops to laptops.
>> Hey, it's getting harder to find a desktop in a shop like JB HiFi
>> 100 laptops, and 6 desktops seems to be almost the norm.
> Correct me if I'm wrong,
You are, as always.
> but JB HiFi's focus selling electronic gadgets, any electronc gadget that is popular, that is a closed box, especially
> if if has lots of high priced add-ons/plug ins.
apply to those 100 laptops or 6 PC, if someone was actually stupid
enough to lend you a seeing eye dog and a white cane.
> These don't require much ability in the sales droids.
> Desktops had that bad aspect that they needed to be opend to have add-ons added into them.
> Gadgets are so much easier.
>> However PCs fully built into screens is becoming more popular.
> Evolution of the laptop?
Rod Speed
Jan 22, 2012, 12:47:56 AM1/22/12
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terryc wrote
You never ever could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.
Don McKenzie
Jan 22, 2012, 12:52:40 AM1/22/12
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terryc
Jan 22, 2012, 4:48:36 AM1/22/12
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Rod Speed wrote:
> Even someone as stupid as you should have noticed that that doesnt
> apply to those 100 laptops or 6 PC,
So 100:6 says you're wrong. Laptops are basically sealed gadgets tha you
> Even someone as stupid as you should have noticed that that doesnt
> apply to those 100 laptops or 6 PC,
plug doodles into. I suppose that one day you will learn to read.
Gordon Levi
Jan 22, 2012, 9:50:22 AM1/22/12
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Don McKenzie <5...@2.5A> wrote:
>
>PC sales have flat-lined. Seems the Android, iPhone, iPad, and other gadgets, such as internet TVs are having a massive
>affect on current PC sales.
>
>http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/the-pc-industry-is-heading-for-collapse/17828
>
>PC sales have flat-lined. Seems the Android, iPhone, iPad, and other gadgets, such as internet TVs are having a massive
>affect on current PC sales.
>
>Is the PC industry is heading for collapse?
significant proportion of (most?) users who need a computer in more
than one location have a single laptop that they use wherever they
are. It seems likely that fairly soon a mobile phone will have the
storage and processing grunt commonly required. Almost everyone
carries a mobile phone so they only need the ability to connect to the
appropriate servers and HIDs wherever they happen to be. The Motorola
Atrix is not there yet but I think it shows what is coming
<http://tinyurl.com/64ok49t>.
Rod Speed
Jan 22, 2012, 2:04:45 PM1/22/12
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terryc wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> terryc wrote
>>> Don McKenzie wrote
>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>> Corse not. The most we might see is another change
>>>>> of physical format like we did from desktops to laptops.
>>>> Hey, it's getting harder to find a desktop in a shop like JB HiFi
>>>> 100 laptops, and 6 desktops seems to be almost the norm.
>>> Correct me if I'm wrong,
>> You are, as always.
>>> but JB HiFi's focus selling electronic gadgets, any electronc gadget that is popular, that is a closed box,
>>> especially if if has lots of high priced add-ons/plug ins.
>>> Don McKenzie wrote
>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>> Corse not. The most we might see is another change
>>>>> of physical format like we did from desktops to laptops.
>>>> Hey, it's getting harder to find a desktop in a shop like JB HiFi
>>>> 100 laptops, and 6 desktops seems to be almost the norm.
>>> Correct me if I'm wrong,
>> You are, as always.
>>> but JB HiFi's focus selling electronic gadgets, any electronc gadget that is popular, that is a closed box,
>>> especially if if has lots of high priced add-ons/plug ins.
>> Even someone as stupid as you should have noticed that that doesnt
>> apply to those 100 laptops or 6 PC, if someone was actually stupid
>> enough to lend you a seeing eye dog and a white cane.
>> enough to lend you a seeing eye dog and a white cane.
> So 100:6 says you're wrong.
Everyone can see of themselves that you are lying, as always.
ALL that shows is what those that use that store choose to buy.
> Laptops are basically sealed gadgets tha you plug doodles into.
> I suppose that one day you will learn to read.
Rod Speed
Jan 22, 2012, 2:11:44 PM1/22/12
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Gordon Levi wrote
> Already a significant proportion of (most?) users who need a computer in
> more than one location have a single laptop that they use wherever they are.
Most arent actually stupid enough to cart it around all the time.
> It seems likely that fairly soon a mobile phone will have
> the storage and processing grunt commonly required.
But not the screen or keyboard that is required for the most basic stuff.
> Almost everyone carries a mobile phone so they only need the ability to
> connect to the appropriate servers and HIDs wherever they happen to be.
They also need a decent screen and keyboard if they do more than a few texts.
I hardly ever text from the mobile itself, its much more convenient to use a real keyboard.
> The Motorola Atrix is not there yet but I think it shows what is coming
> http://tinyurl.com/64ok49t.
You're wrong, as always.
Most will continue to do it the other way, a real PC of some sort
for all except the much more trivial stuff they do on their phone.
> Don McKenzie <5...@2.5A> wrote
>> PC sales have flat-lined. Seems the Android, iPhone, iPad, and other gadgets,
>> such as internet TVs are having a massive affect on current PC sales.
>> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/the-pc-industry-is-heading-for-collapse/17828
>> Is the PC industry is heading for collapse?
> If you mean conventional desktop PCs then of course it is.
That graph lumps desktops and laptops and notebooks together, stupid.
>> PC sales have flat-lined. Seems the Android, iPhone, iPad, and other gadgets,
>> such as internet TVs are having a massive affect on current PC sales.
>> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/the-pc-industry-is-heading-for-collapse/17828
>> Is the PC industry is heading for collapse?
> If you mean conventional desktop PCs then of course it is.
> Already a significant proportion of (most?) users who need a computer in
> more than one location have a single laptop that they use wherever they are.
> It seems likely that fairly soon a mobile phone will have
> the storage and processing grunt commonly required.
> Almost everyone carries a mobile phone so they only need the ability to
> connect to the appropriate servers and HIDs wherever they happen to be.
I hardly ever text from the mobile itself, its much more convenient to use a real keyboard.
> The Motorola Atrix is not there yet but I think it shows what is coming
> http://tinyurl.com/64ok49t.
Most will continue to do it the other way, a real PC of some sort
for all except the much more trivial stuff they do on their phone.
Trevor Wilson
Jan 22, 2012, 5:25:59 PM1/22/12
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On 1/22/2012 5:43 AM, Don McKenzie wrote:
>
> PC sales have flat-lined. Seems the Android, iPhone, iPad, and other
> gadgets, such as internet TVs are having a massive affect on current PC
> sales.
>
>
> PC sales have flat-lined. Seems the Android, iPhone, iPad, and other
> gadgets, such as internet TVs are having a massive affect on current PC
> sales.
>
> Is the PC industry is heading for collapse?
>
>
> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/the-pc-industry-is-heading-for-collapse/17828
>
>
> Cheers Don...
>
> ==================
**There are always fools to pay money for stuff they don't need. Whilst
>
>
> Cheers Don...
>
> ==================
sopping at the local supermarket yesterday, I spied a woman, pushing her
trolley around, iPad cradled in one hand. Neat, I thought. I felt a bit
inferior with my 'Post-It Note' stuck to the handle of the trolley (no
need to carry it, don't have to worry if I drop it), 'till I figured out
that she did just as much work making her shopping list as I did. I'm
carrying around 0.1gms of paper and she was carrying 500gms of valuable
electronics. All to do the same job.
[Shakes head]
--
Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au
Petzl
Jan 22, 2012, 5:41:58 PM1/22/12
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On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 09:25:59 +1100, Trevor Wilson
<tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>On 1/22/2012 5:43 AM, Don McKenzie wrote:
>>
>> PC sales have flat-lined. Seems the Android, iPhone, iPad, and other
>> gadgets, such as internet TVs are having a massive affect on current PC
>> sales.
>>
>> Is the PC industry is heading for collapse?
>>
>> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/the-pc-industry-is-heading-for-collapse/17828
>>
>>
>> Cheers Don...
>
<tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>On 1/22/2012 5:43 AM, Don McKenzie wrote:
>>
>> PC sales have flat-lined. Seems the Android, iPhone, iPad, and other
>> gadgets, such as internet TVs are having a massive affect on current PC
>> sales.
>>
>> Is the PC industry is heading for collapse?
>>
>> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/the-pc-industry-is-heading-for-collapse/17828
>>
>>
>> Cheers Don...
>
>**There are always fools to pay money for stuff they don't need. Whilst
>sopping at the local supermarket yesterday, I spied a woman, pushing her
>trolley around, iPad cradled in one hand. Neat, I thought. I felt a bit
>inferior with my 'Post-It Note' stuck to the handle of the trolley (no
>need to carry it, don't have to worry if I drop it), 'till I figured out
>that she did just as much work making her shopping list as I did. I'm
>carrying around 0.1gms of paper and she was carrying 500gms of and valuable
>sopping at the local supermarket yesterday, I spied a woman, pushing her
>trolley around, iPad cradled in one hand. Neat, I thought. I felt a bit
>inferior with my 'Post-It Note' stuck to the handle of the trolley (no
>need to carry it, don't have to worry if I drop it), 'till I figured out
>that she did just as much work making her shopping list as I did. I'm
>electronics. All to do the same job.
>
>[Shakes head]
There are APP's for Tablets that compare prices from all Supermarkets
>
>[Shakes head]
also tell you ingredients, calories etc. Most now have to go shopping
in more than one supermarket why not use your tablet if you have one.
--
Petzl
You can trust a thief. But never JuLIAR!!!
Rod Speed
Jan 22, 2012, 7:07:48 PM1/22/12
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Pretzl wrote
> Trevor Wilson <tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote
>> Whilst sopping at the local supermarket yesterday, I spied a
>> woman, pushing her trolley around, iPad cradled in one hand.
And its unlikely to have been bought for just that, so
she doesnt actually spend anything for the convenience.
While I dont use a tablet for that, I do have various lists in a decent smartphone instead.
>> Neat, I> thought. I felt a bit inferior with my
>> 'Post-It Note' stuck to the handle of the trolley
>> (no need to carry it, don't have to worry if I> drop it),
I've never dropped mine.
>> 'till I figured out that she did just as much work making her shopping list as I did.
Much less in fact, particularly if you use a decent app that tells you the location etc too.
>> I'm carrying around 0.1gms of paper and she was carrying
>> 500gms of and valuable electronics. All to do the same job.
Her approach does a MUCH better job.
>> [Shakes head]
> There are APP's for Tablets that compare prices from
> all Supermarkets also tell you ingredients, calories etc.
And I keep track of the best price I have ever paid for stuff that I buy much of too.
> Most now have to go shopping in more than one
> supermarket why not use your tablet if you have one.
Or an even more convenient smartphone.
> Trevor Wilson <tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote
>> Don McKenzie wrote
>>> PC sales have flat-lined. Seems the Android, iPhone, iPad, and other gadgets,
>>> such as internet TVs are having a massive affect on current PC sales.
>>> Is the PC industry is heading for collapse?
>>> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/the-pc-industry-is-heading-for-collapse/17828
>>> PC sales have flat-lined. Seems the Android, iPhone, iPad, and other gadgets,
>>> such as internet TVs are having a massive affect on current PC sales.
>>> Is the PC industry is heading for collapse?
>>> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/the-pc-industry-is-heading-for-collapse/17828
>> There are always fools to pay money for stuff they don't need.
And plenty who have enough cash to do things in the most convenient way too.
>> Whilst sopping at the local supermarket yesterday, I spied a
>> woman, pushing her trolley around, iPad cradled in one hand.
she doesnt actually spend anything for the convenience.
While I dont use a tablet for that, I do have various lists in a decent smartphone instead.
>> Neat, I> thought. I felt a bit inferior with my
>> 'Post-It Note' stuck to the handle of the trolley
>> (no need to carry it, don't have to worry if I> drop it),
>> 'till I figured out that she did just as much work making her shopping list as I did.
>> I'm carrying around 0.1gms of paper and she was carrying
>> 500gms of and valuable electronics. All to do the same job.
>> [Shakes head]
> There are APP's for Tablets that compare prices from
> all Supermarkets also tell you ingredients, calories etc.
> Most now have to go shopping in more than one
> supermarket why not use your tablet if you have one.
keithr
Jan 22, 2012, 7:35:03 PM1/22/12
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On 23/01/2012 11:07 AM, Rod Speed wrote:
> Pretzl wrote
>> Trevor Wilson<tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote
>>> Don McKenzie wrote
>
>>>> PC sales have flat-lined. Seems the Android, iPhone, iPad, and other gadgets,
>>>> such as internet TVs are having a massive affect on current PC sales.
>
>>>> Is the PC industry is heading for collapse?
>
>>>> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/the-pc-industry-is-heading-for-collapse/17828
>
>>> There are always fools to pay money for stuff they don't need.
>
> And plenty who have enough cash to do things in the most convenient way too.
>
>>> Whilst sopping at the local supermarket yesterday, I spied a
>>> woman, pushing her trolley around, iPad cradled in one hand.
>
> And its unlikely to have been bought for just that, so
> she doesnt actually spend anything for the convenience.
Sounds like a typical yuppie showing off her possessions.
> Pretzl wrote
>> Trevor Wilson<tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote
>>> Don McKenzie wrote
>
>>>> PC sales have flat-lined. Seems the Android, iPhone, iPad, and other gadgets,
>>>> such as internet TVs are having a massive affect on current PC sales.
>
>>>> Is the PC industry is heading for collapse?
>
>>>> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/the-pc-industry-is-heading-for-collapse/17828
>
>>> There are always fools to pay money for stuff they don't need.
>
> And plenty who have enough cash to do things in the most convenient way too.
>
>>> Whilst sopping at the local supermarket yesterday, I spied a
>>> woman, pushing her trolley around, iPad cradled in one hand.
>
> And its unlikely to have been bought for just that, so
> she doesnt actually spend anything for the convenience.
> While I dont use a tablet for that, I do have various lists in a decent smartphone instead.
>
>>> Neat, I> thought. I felt a bit inferior with my
>>> 'Post-It Note' stuck to the handle of the trolley
>
>>> (no need to carry it, don't have to worry if I> drop it),
>
> I've never dropped mine.
>
>>> 'till I figured out that she did just as much work making her shopping list as I did.
>
> Much less in fact, particularly if you use a decent app that tells you the location etc too.
is located, after about the fourth week of moving here, she had that
down pat.
>>> I'm carrying around 0.1gms of paper and she was carrying
>>> 500gms of and valuable electronics. All to do the same job.
>
> Her approach does a MUCH better job.
or smartphone as it does to write it onto a piece of paper. If there is
stuff that you buy every week and you memory is so bad that you can't
remember it, you just print a standing list each week and add any extras
by hand.
>>> [Shakes head]
>
>> There are APP's for Tablets that compare prices from
>> all Supermarkets also tell you ingredients, calories etc.
>
> And I keep track of the best price I have ever paid for stuff that I buy much of too.
about how much things have gone up.
terryc
Jan 22, 2012, 7:40:04 PM1/22/12
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Rod Speed wrote:
> You'll never manage to work out how to bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.
Shrug, another roddles utter capitualtion.
> You'll never manage to work out how to bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.
terryc
Jan 22, 2012, 7:43:14 PM1/22/12
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keithr wrote:
> My missus does the shopping, she doesn't need to be told where the stuff
> is located, after about the fourth week of moving here, she had that
> down pat.
Where do you shop? Around here it is musical shelves.
> My missus does the shopping, she doesn't need to be told where the stuff
> is located, after about the fourth week of moving here, she had that
> down pat.
keithr
Jan 22, 2012, 8:18:48 PM1/22/12
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and after it was and is completely stable.
Rod Speed
Jan 22, 2012, 9:42:54 PM1/22/12
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keithr wrote
>> While I dont use a tablet for that, I do have various lists in a
>> decent smartphone instead.
>>>> Neat, I> thought. I felt a bit inferior with my
>>>> 'Post-It Note' stuck to the handle of the trolley
>>>> (no need to carry it, don't have to worry if I drop it),
>> I've never dropped mine.
Or the laptop either.
>>>> 'till I figured out that she did just as much work making her
>>>> shopping list as I did.
>> Much less in fact, particularly if you use a decent app that tells
>> you the location etc too.
> My missus does the shopping, she doesn't need to be told where the stuff is located, after about the fourth week of
> moving here, she had that down pat.
Its different if you use various supermarkets much, particularly
when they have rearranged everything as they do periodically.
>>>> I'm carrying around 0.1gms of paper and she was carrying
>>>> 500gms of and valuable electronics. All to do the same job.
>> Her approach does a MUCH better job.
> How exactly, it takes just as much effort to type a list into a tablet
> or smartphone as it does to write it onto a piece of paper.
Wrong when you have automated it properly.
> If there is stuff that you buy every week and you memory is so bad that you can't remember it,
Thats not what is on the list, stupid.
Whats on the list is what I keep a decent stock of
for convenience and which I have noticed has got low.
> you just print a standing list each week and add any extras by hand.
I bet his list isnt anything like that. Hers either.
>>>> [Shakes head]
>>> There are APP's for Tablets that compare prices from
>>> all Supermarkets also tell you ingredients, calories etc.
>> And I keep track of the best price I have ever paid for stuff that I buy much of too.
> Not sure exactly what that does for you other than being able to winge about how much things have gone up.
I basically only buy stuff at close to the best price I have ever seen
and keep decent stocks of everything I use much so I dont have to
shop very often at all.
That does save a substantial amount of money, particularly
with the more expensive stuff like a 5KG block of fillet steak
uncut, the Lendards specials, fruit and veg.
Some stuff like the limes I make marmalade out of because
I cant buy anything like as good marmalade as I can make,
can vary anything from $3/KG to $20
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Pretzl wrote
>>> Trevor Wilson<tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote
>>>> Don McKenzie wrote
>>>>> PC sales have flat-lined. Seems the Android, iPhone, iPad, and other gadgets, such as internet TVs are having a
>>>>> massive affect on current PC sales.
>>>>> Is the PC industry is heading for collapse?
>>>>> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/the-pc-industry-is-heading-for-collapse/17828
>>>> There are always fools to pay money for stuff they don't need.
>> And plenty who have enough cash to do things in the most convenient way too.
>>>> Whilst sopping at the local supermarket yesterday, I spied a
>>>> woman, pushing her trolley around, iPad cradled in one hand.
>> And its unlikely to have been bought for just that, so
>> she doesnt actually spend anything for the convenience.
> Sounds like a typical yuppie showing off her possessions.
Or she got it for various reasons and was trying it out in that situation.
>> Pretzl wrote
>>> Trevor Wilson<tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote
>>>> Don McKenzie wrote
>>>>> PC sales have flat-lined. Seems the Android, iPhone, iPad, and other gadgets, such as internet TVs are having a
>>>>> massive affect on current PC sales.
>>>>> Is the PC industry is heading for collapse?
>>>>> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/the-pc-industry-is-heading-for-collapse/17828
>>>> There are always fools to pay money for stuff they don't need.
>> And plenty who have enough cash to do things in the most convenient way too.
>>>> Whilst sopping at the local supermarket yesterday, I spied a
>>>> woman, pushing her trolley around, iPad cradled in one hand.
>> And its unlikely to have been bought for just that, so
>> she doesnt actually spend anything for the convenience.
> Sounds like a typical yuppie showing off her possessions.
>> While I dont use a tablet for that, I do have various lists in a
>> decent smartphone instead.
>>>> Neat, I> thought. I felt a bit inferior with my
>>>> 'Post-It Note' stuck to the handle of the trolley
>>>> (no need to carry it, don't have to worry if I drop it),
>> I've never dropped mine.
>>>> 'till I figured out that she did just as much work making her
>>>> shopping list as I did.
>> Much less in fact, particularly if you use a decent app that tells
>> you the location etc too.
> My missus does the shopping, she doesn't need to be told where the stuff is located, after about the fourth week of
> moving here, she had that down pat.
when they have rearranged everything as they do periodically.
>>>> I'm carrying around 0.1gms of paper and she was carrying
>>>> 500gms of and valuable electronics. All to do the same job.
>> Her approach does a MUCH better job.
> How exactly, it takes just as much effort to type a list into a tablet
> or smartphone as it does to write it onto a piece of paper.
> If there is stuff that you buy every week and you memory is so bad that you can't remember it,
Whats on the list is what I keep a decent stock of
for convenience and which I have noticed has got low.
> you just print a standing list each week and add any extras by hand.
>>>> [Shakes head]
>>> There are APP's for Tablets that compare prices from
>>> all Supermarkets also tell you ingredients, calories etc.
>> And I keep track of the best price I have ever paid for stuff that I buy much of too.
> Not sure exactly what that does for you other than being able to winge about how much things have gone up.
and keep decent stocks of everything I use much so I dont have to
shop very often at all.
That does save a substantial amount of money, particularly
with the more expensive stuff like a 5KG block of fillet steak
uncut, the Lendards specials, fruit and veg.
Some stuff like the limes I make marmalade out of because
I cant buy anything like as good marmalade as I can make,
can vary anything from $3/KG to $20
Rod Speed
Jan 22, 2012, 9:44:03 PM1/22/12
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terryc wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> You'll never manage to work out how to bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.
> Shrug, another roddles utter capitualtion.
You never ever could bullshit and lie your way out of a wet paper bag.
>> You'll never manage to work out how to bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.
> Shrug, another roddles utter capitualtion.
Petzl
Jan 22, 2012, 10:02:20 PM1/22/12
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--
Petzl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qWpAgoJHUk
Rheilly Phoull
Jan 22, 2012, 10:25:44 PM1/22/12
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likely or not have it anyway as a phone.
I can't see any portable tablet that you could comfortably sit at and
knock out a few drawings or lay out some documents.
Until that happens most using cad and word processing will keep the
desktops IMHO.
Rheilly P
Petzl
Jan 23, 2012, 12:23:12 AM1/23/12
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if you find it again it goes off the shelf completely. I don't bother
now if Woolworth's hide it, it goes on my Aldi list.
It's actually a scam where suppliers are blackmailed into the
placement of goods in stores and on shelves. Notice everything you
want going to bottom shelf at the back. Link below is why
http://www.foodmag.com.au/news/woolies-sacks-tea-and-coffee-buyer
Aldi ground coffee is not bad and $7 for ½ kilo. Only tried it because
½ kilo bags of Melitta disappeared from Woolies and the others were
horrible and want $20 for ½ kilo. Aldi meat is also better quality and
about third price. You have to do your shopping now in at least 2
supermarkets to get all you want Aldi for me is as convenient as
Woolworth's. Can't wait for their beer (cheaper than Rods) from
Germany or Belgium. The shinyarses at Woolworths have driven 40% of my
and others away and given themselves a payrise saying what a good boy
am I.
Rod Speed
Jan 23, 2012, 1:58:36 AM1/23/12
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Pretzl wrote
Just another utterly mindless conspiracy theory.
> Aldi ground coffee is not bad and $7 for ½ kilo.
I always bought the beans and ground it myself when I still bothered with coffee.
> Only tried it because ½ kilo bags of Melitta disappeared from
> Woolies and the others were horrible and want $20 for ½ kilo.
> Aldi meat is also better quality and about third price.
I only use the specials prices, never pay full price for meat.
> You have to do your shopping now in at least 2 supermarkets to get all you want
I dont have to do that.
> Aldi for me is as convenient as Woolworth's. Can't wait for
> their beer (cheaper than Rods) from Germany or Belgium.
LIke hell its cheaper than mine. The main problem with the price is the
excise duty on commercial beer that you dont pay with home brewed beer.
> The shinyarses at Woolworths have driven 40% of my and others away
That is a bare faced lie, proven by their publicly available figures.
> and given themselves a payrise saying what a good boy am I.
Because they have done better than Coles until they imported some poms.
> terryc <newsnine...@woa.com.au> wrote
>> keithr wrote
>>> My missus does the shopping, she doesn't need to be told
>>> where the stuff is located, after about the fourth week of
>>> moving here, she had that down pat.
>> Where do you shop? Around here it is musical shelves.
> That's what the cameras are for when you find something they
> hide it, if you find it again it goes off the shelf completely. I don't
> bother now if Woolworth's hide it, it goes on my Aldi list.
> It's actually a scam where suppliers are blackmailed into
> the placement of goods in stores and on shelves. Notice
> everything you want going to bottom shelf at the back.
Nothing I buy there ever is.
>> keithr wrote
>>> My missus does the shopping, she doesn't need to be told
>>> where the stuff is located, after about the fourth week of
>>> moving here, she had that down pat.
>> Where do you shop? Around here it is musical shelves.
> That's what the cameras are for when you find something they
> hide it, if you find it again it goes off the shelf completely. I don't
> bother now if Woolworth's hide it, it goes on my Aldi list.
> It's actually a scam where suppliers are blackmailed into
> the placement of goods in stores and on shelves. Notice
> everything you want going to bottom shelf at the back.
Just another utterly mindless conspiracy theory.
> Aldi ground coffee is not bad and $7 for ½ kilo.
> Only tried it because ½ kilo bags of Melitta disappeared from
> Woolies and the others were horrible and want $20 for ½ kilo.
> Aldi meat is also better quality and about third price.
> You have to do your shopping now in at least 2 supermarkets to get all you want
> Aldi for me is as convenient as Woolworth's. Can't wait for
> their beer (cheaper than Rods) from Germany or Belgium.
excise duty on commercial beer that you dont pay with home brewed beer.
> The shinyarses at Woolworths have driven 40% of my and others away
> and given themselves a payrise saying what a good boy am I.
keithr
Jan 23, 2012, 6:54:52 AM1/23/12
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On 23/01/2012 1:42 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
>
> Some stuff like the limes I make marmalade out of because
> I cant buy anything like as good marmalade as I can make,
> can vary anything from $3/KG to $20
My, you are domesticated! I used to enjoy Roses Lime Marmalade, but I'm
>
> Some stuff like the limes I make marmalade out of because
> I cant buy anything like as good marmalade as I can make,
> can vary anything from $3/KG to $20
not allowed to have it any more and have to make do with the reduced
sugar stuff :(
Gordon Levi
Jan 23, 2012, 9:13:52 AM1/23/12
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"Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Gordon Levi wrote
>> Don McKenzie <5...@2.5A> wrote
>
>>> PC sales have flat-lined. Seems the Android, iPhone, iPad, and other gadgets,
>>> such as internet TVs are having a massive affect on current PC sales.
>
>>> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/the-pc-industry-is-heading-for-collapse/17828
>
>>> Is the PC industry is heading for collapse?
>
>> If you mean conventional desktop PCs then of course it is.
>
>That graph lumps desktops and laptops and notebooks together, stupid.
>
>> Already a significant proportion of (most?) users who need a computer in
>> more than one location have a single laptop that they use wherever they are.
>
>Most arent actually stupid enough to cart it around all the time.
>
>> It seems likely that fairly soon a mobile phone will have
>> the storage and processing grunt commonly required.
>
>But not the screen or keyboard that is required for the most basic stuff.
>
>> Almost everyone carries a mobile phone so they only need the ability to
>> connect to the appropriate servers and HIDs wherever they happen to be.
>
>They also need a decent screen and keyboard if they do more than a few texts.
>
>I hardly ever text from the mobile itself, its much more convenient to use a real keyboard.
I'm sorry. I should not have used a TLA but I thought that readers of
>Gordon Levi wrote
>> Don McKenzie <5...@2.5A> wrote
>
>>> PC sales have flat-lined. Seems the Android, iPhone, iPad, and other gadgets,
>>> such as internet TVs are having a massive affect on current PC sales.
>
>>> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/the-pc-industry-is-heading-for-collapse/17828
>
>>> Is the PC industry is heading for collapse?
>
>> If you mean conventional desktop PCs then of course it is.
>
>That graph lumps desktops and laptops and notebooks together, stupid.
>
>> Already a significant proportion of (most?) users who need a computer in
>> more than one location have a single laptop that they use wherever they are.
>
>Most arent actually stupid enough to cart it around all the time.
>
>> It seems likely that fairly soon a mobile phone will have
>> the storage and processing grunt commonly required.
>
>But not the screen or keyboard that is required for the most basic stuff.
>
>> Almost everyone carries a mobile phone so they only need the ability to
>> connect to the appropriate servers and HIDs wherever they happen to be.
>
>They also need a decent screen and keyboard if they do more than a few texts.
>
>I hardly ever text from the mobile itself, its much more convenient to use a real keyboard.
this thread would know that a HID includes screens and keyboards. In
any case, the example I provide below illustrates the point that you
may want to connect your "computer" to all sorts of human interface
devices, including your TV and your car sound system.
>
>> The Motorola Atrix is not there yet but I think it shows what is coming
>> http://tinyurl.com/64ok49t.
>
>You're wrong, as always.
>
>Most will continue to do it the other way, a real PC of some sort
>for all except the much more trivial stuff they do on their phone.
That is meaningless. What is a "real PC of some sort"?
>> The Motorola Atrix is not there yet but I think it shows what is coming
>> http://tinyurl.com/64ok49t.
>
>You're wrong, as always.
>
>Most will continue to do it the other way, a real PC of some sort
>for all except the much more trivial stuff they do on their phone.
terryc
Jan 23, 2012, 9:20:11 AM1/23/12
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keithr wrote:
> Sounds like a typical yuppie showing off her possessions.
I resemble that. I was told "you add new meaning to toy boy" by SWMBO'd.
> Sounds like a typical yuppie showing off her possessions.
All I was doing was saving the location of a different shopping centre
into the car GPS device, but I had to do it outside the car.
Rod Speed
Jan 23, 2012, 2:00:50 PM1/23/12
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keithr wrote
dont make what I want, it isnt that hard to make it myself.
Did it with the tomato and chilli relish that they stopped
making too. What I make myself leaves anything I have
ever bought for dead, should have made it myself long
before they stopped making the one I did buy.
> I used to enjoy Roses Lime Marmalade,
Its not a patch on what I make.
> but I'm not allowed to have it any more and have to make do with the reduced sugar stuff :(
Its trivial to make a reduced sugar marmalade that leaves it for dead.
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Some stuff like the limes I make marmalade out of because I cant buy anything like as good marmalade as I can make,
>> can vary anything from $3/KG to $20
> My, you are domesticated!
Nope, just have enough of a clue to realise that if they
>> Some stuff like the limes I make marmalade out of because I cant buy anything like as good marmalade as I can make,
>> can vary anything from $3/KG to $20
> My, you are domesticated!
dont make what I want, it isnt that hard to make it myself.
Did it with the tomato and chilli relish that they stopped
making too. What I make myself leaves anything I have
ever bought for dead, should have made it myself long
before they stopped making the one I did buy.
> I used to enjoy Roses Lime Marmalade,
> but I'm not allowed to have it any more and have to make do with the reduced sugar stuff :(
Rod Speed
Jan 23, 2012, 3:57:49 PM1/23/12
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Gordon Levi wrote
> I should not have used a TLA but I thought that readers of this
> thread would know that a HID includes screens and keyboards.
That was a comment on your stupid claim about mobile phones.
> In any case, the example I provide below illustrates the point that
> you may want to connect your "computer" to all sorts of human
> interface devices, including your TV and your car sound system.
Irrelevant to that stupid claim of yours that I was commenting on.
>>> The Motorola Atrix is not there yet but I think it shows what is
>>> coming http://tinyurl.com/64ok49t.
>> You're wrong, as always.
>> Most will continue to do it the other way, a real PC of some sort
>> for all except the much more trivial stuff they do on their phone.
> That is meaningless.
You're lying, again.
> What is a "real PC of some sort"?
What I said, a PC in desktop, laptop, notebook or tablet
format, not a mobile with no keyboard and a tiny screen.
> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>> Gordon Levi wrote
>>> Don McKenzie <5...@2.5A> wrote
>>>> PC sales have flat-lined. Seems the Android, iPhone, iPad, and other gadgets,
>>>> such as internet TVs are having a massive affect on current PC sales.
>>>> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/the-pc-industry-is-heading-for-collapse/17828
>>>> Is the PC industry is heading for collapse?
>>> If you mean conventional desktop PCs then of course it is.
>> That graph lumps desktops and laptops and notebooks together, stupid.
>>> Already a significant proportion of (most?) users who need
>>> a computer in more than one location have a single laptop
>>> that they use wherever they are.
>> Most arent actually stupid enough to cart it around all the time.
>>> It seems likely that fairly soon a mobile phone will have
>>> the storage and processing grunt commonly required.
>> But not the screen or keyboard that is required for the most basic stuff.
>>> Almost everyone carries a mobile phone so they only need the
>>> ability to connect to the appropriate servers and HIDs wherever
>>> they happen to be.
>> They also need a decent screen and keyboard if they do more than a few texts.
>> I hardly ever text from the mobile itself, its much more convenient
>> to use a real keyboard.
> I'm sorry.
Liar.
>> Gordon Levi wrote
>>> Don McKenzie <5...@2.5A> wrote
>>>> PC sales have flat-lined. Seems the Android, iPhone, iPad, and other gadgets,
>>>> such as internet TVs are having a massive affect on current PC sales.
>>>> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/the-pc-industry-is-heading-for-collapse/17828
>>>> Is the PC industry is heading for collapse?
>>> If you mean conventional desktop PCs then of course it is.
>> That graph lumps desktops and laptops and notebooks together, stupid.
>>> Already a significant proportion of (most?) users who need
>>> a computer in more than one location have a single laptop
>>> that they use wherever they are.
>> Most arent actually stupid enough to cart it around all the time.
>>> It seems likely that fairly soon a mobile phone will have
>>> the storage and processing grunt commonly required.
>> But not the screen or keyboard that is required for the most basic stuff.
>>> Almost everyone carries a mobile phone so they only need the
>>> ability to connect to the appropriate servers and HIDs wherever
>>> they happen to be.
>> They also need a decent screen and keyboard if they do more than a few texts.
>> I hardly ever text from the mobile itself, its much more convenient
>> to use a real keyboard.
> I'm sorry.
> I should not have used a TLA but I thought that readers of this
> thread would know that a HID includes screens and keyboards.
> In any case, the example I provide below illustrates the point that
> you may want to connect your "computer" to all sorts of human
> interface devices, including your TV and your car sound system.
>>> The Motorola Atrix is not there yet but I think it shows what is
>>> coming http://tinyurl.com/64ok49t.
>> You're wrong, as always.
>> Most will continue to do it the other way, a real PC of some sort
>> for all except the much more trivial stuff they do on their phone.
> That is meaningless.
> What is a "real PC of some sort"?
format, not a mobile with no keyboard and a tiny screen.
Yaputya Leftlegin
Jan 23, 2012, 7:24:21 PM1/23/12
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"Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:9o5p33...@mid.individual.net...
> keithr wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>
>>> Some stuff like the limes I make marmalade out of because I cant buy
>>> anything like as good marmalade as I can make, can vary anything from
>>> $3/KG to $20
>
>> My, you are domesticated!
>
> Nope, just have enough of a clue to realise that if they
> dont make what I want, it isnt that hard to make it myself.
>
> Did it with the tomato and chilli relish that they stopped
> making too. What I make myself leaves anything I have
> ever bought for dead, should have made it myself long
> before they stopped making the one I did buy.
Good relish and chutney is expensive, would you mind posting your recipes ?
>> Rod Speed wrote
>
>>> Some stuff like the limes I make marmalade out of because I cant buy
>>> anything like as good marmalade as I can make, can vary anything from
>>> $3/KG to $20
>
>> My, you are domesticated!
>
> Nope, just have enough of a clue to realise that if they
> dont make what I want, it isnt that hard to make it myself.
>
> Did it with the tomato and chilli relish that they stopped
> making too. What I make myself leaves anything I have
> ever bought for dead, should have made it myself long
> before they stopped making the one I did buy.
>
>> I used to enjoy Roses Lime Marmalade,
>
> Its not a patch on what I make.
>
>> but I'm not allowed to have it any more and have to make do with the
>> reduced sugar stuff :(
>
> Its trivial to make a reduced sugar marmalade that leaves it for dead.
cheap.
You can make it as hot as you like.
http://www.epicurious.com/recipes/food/views/Traditional-Napa-Cabbage-Kimchi-233839
http://www.easykoreanfood.com/Kimchi-Recipe.html
Rod Speed
Jan 23, 2012, 9:48:01 PM1/23/12
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Yaputya Leftlegin wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
> would you mind posting your recipes ?
I started from
http://www.taste.com.au/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6064&sid=49c3a0519a5c4283f3a84bd1eca648c0
and used the cheapest canned diced tomatoes I could find, 66c a can.
Basically chucked everything in the food processor, and didnt bother to let
it rest overnight before cooking, because none of the other recipies did that.
Did it both with dried chilli flakes and with fresh jalepano chillies, the hot ones.
Cant really tell the difference between the two batches except for the fact that you
can still sort of see some of the flakes in the batch where I used the dried flakes.
Used 10 tablespoons of flakes and 5 jalapano chillies respectively.
Also tried both the 5 cloves of garlic and the same amount of minced garlic
in those little glass jars, cant tell the difference between those batches either.
Havent tried how important the other minor ingredients are, there seems
to be an awful lot of them and I'd be surprised if most could pick the batches
with particular ones left out in a proper double blind trial but havent tried that yet.
The cornflour is pretty important. I eat about half of the relish on the open
sandwitches I make with every loaf of bread I also make, never buy commercial
bread anymore either. I make it in a vertical loaf bread machine and start it so
the bread is ready very late in the day and have that for dinner that day.
I cut the dome off and put butter, relish, hot salami and lettuce on that
so its important that the relish doesnt drip on me when I am eating that.
I also use the relish on cold roast lamb with peas, corn and microwaved potatoes,
what I do with other than the first meal from a roast leg of lamb. Hot potatoes,
peas, corn, and cold roast lamb and relish with fresh tomatoes as well.
>>> I used to enjoy Roses Lime Marmalade,
>> Its not a patch on what I make.
>>> but I'm not allowed to have it any more and have to make do with the reduced sugar stuff :(
>> Its trivial to make a reduced sugar marmalade that leaves it for dead.
> I make my own Kimchi, much cheaper than buying it when the right cabbage is cheap.
> You can make it as hot as you like.
> http://www.epicurious.com/recipes/food/views/Traditional-Napa-Cabbage-Kimchi-233839
> http://www.easykoreanfood.com/Kimchi-Recipe.html
Thanks for that, I'll give it a go.
> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>> keithr wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> Some stuff like the limes I make marmalade out of because I cant buy anything like as good marmalade as I can make,
>>>> can vary anything from $3/KG to $20
>>> My, you are domesticated!
>> Nope, just have enough of a clue to realise that if they
>> dont make what I want, it isnt that hard to make it myself.
>> Did it with the tomato and chilli relish that they stopped
>> making too. What I make myself leaves anything I have
>> ever bought for dead, should have made it myself long
>> before they stopped making the one I did buy.
> Good relish and chutney is expensive,
True, tho that isnt the reason I make it myself.
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> Some stuff like the limes I make marmalade out of because I cant buy anything like as good marmalade as I can make,
>>>> can vary anything from $3/KG to $20
>>> My, you are domesticated!
>> Nope, just have enough of a clue to realise that if they
>> dont make what I want, it isnt that hard to make it myself.
>> Did it with the tomato and chilli relish that they stopped
>> making too. What I make myself leaves anything I have
>> ever bought for dead, should have made it myself long
>> before they stopped making the one I did buy.
> Good relish and chutney is expensive,
> would you mind posting your recipes ?
http://www.taste.com.au/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6064&sid=49c3a0519a5c4283f3a84bd1eca648c0
and used the cheapest canned diced tomatoes I could find, 66c a can.
Basically chucked everything in the food processor, and didnt bother to let
it rest overnight before cooking, because none of the other recipies did that.
Did it both with dried chilli flakes and with fresh jalepano chillies, the hot ones.
Cant really tell the difference between the two batches except for the fact that you
can still sort of see some of the flakes in the batch where I used the dried flakes.
Used 10 tablespoons of flakes and 5 jalapano chillies respectively.
Also tried both the 5 cloves of garlic and the same amount of minced garlic
in those little glass jars, cant tell the difference between those batches either.
Havent tried how important the other minor ingredients are, there seems
to be an awful lot of them and I'd be surprised if most could pick the batches
with particular ones left out in a proper double blind trial but havent tried that yet.
The cornflour is pretty important. I eat about half of the relish on the open
sandwitches I make with every loaf of bread I also make, never buy commercial
bread anymore either. I make it in a vertical loaf bread machine and start it so
the bread is ready very late in the day and have that for dinner that day.
I cut the dome off and put butter, relish, hot salami and lettuce on that
so its important that the relish doesnt drip on me when I am eating that.
I also use the relish on cold roast lamb with peas, corn and microwaved potatoes,
what I do with other than the first meal from a roast leg of lamb. Hot potatoes,
peas, corn, and cold roast lamb and relish with fresh tomatoes as well.
>>> I used to enjoy Roses Lime Marmalade,
>> Its not a patch on what I make.
>>> but I'm not allowed to have it any more and have to make do with the reduced sugar stuff :(
>> Its trivial to make a reduced sugar marmalade that leaves it for dead.
> I make my own Kimchi, much cheaper than buying it when the right cabbage is cheap.
> You can make it as hot as you like.
> http://www.epicurious.com/recipes/food/views/Traditional-Napa-Cabbage-Kimchi-233839
> http://www.easykoreanfood.com/Kimchi-Recipe.html
keithr
Jan 24, 2012, 4:09:10 AM1/24/12
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that I know the route to, but I use it as a precision speedo,
David Segall
Jan 25, 2012, 8:58:36 AM1/25/12
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a 7" Android tablet is a "real PC of some sort" but a 5.3" Galaxy Pen
is not. So what _do_ you mean by "PC"? Why can't you add the screen,
mouse and keyboard you want to your mobile phone? I can use the same
bluetooth keyboard, mouse and speakers with my mobile phone as I use
with my "real PC". Both the phone and the PC allow me to plug in any
screen that has an HDMI connector.
Rod Speed
Jan 25, 2012, 2:43:44 PM1/25/12
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> I can use the same bluetooth keyboard, mouse and speakers
> with my mobile phone as I use with my "real PC".
> Both the phone and the PC allow me to plug
> in any screen that has an HDMI connector.
Gordon Levi
Jan 28, 2012, 7:03:39 AM1/28/12
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<http://tinyurl.com/33ljktw>.
>
>> I can use the same bluetooth keyboard, mouse and speakers
>> with my mobile phone as I use with my "real PC".
>
>But then it still wont work as a multichannel PVR, stupid.
If you want a PVR then you add some USB ports
>> I can use the same bluetooth keyboard, mouse and speakers
>> with my mobile phone as I use with my "real PC".
>
>But then it still wont work as a multichannel PVR, stupid.
<http://tinyurl.com/46u266u>. Of course, you may need more than one
"computer" if you want to leave one connected to your home TV antenna
while you take another to Europe with you. I agree that MythTV is a
great way to prolong the useful life of an old computer.
>
>> Both the phone and the PC allow me to plug
>> in any screen that has an HDMI connector.
>
>But that screen wont fit in your pocket anymore, stupid.
Does your preferred "real PC" fit in your pocket? The phone will still
>> Both the phone and the PC allow me to plug
>> in any screen that has an HDMI connector.
>
>But that screen wont fit in your pocket anymore, stupid.
fit in your pocket if you leave the screen at home.
Basically, you are having trouble with the concept that, within a few
years, your smart phone will be as powerful as a "real PC" and that
the small size and huge volumes will make it cheaper to produce than
the desktop or laptop that you now see as a "real PC". As I said at
the beginning of this thread, the trend is clear from the plummeting
price of notebooks and netbooks compared to the fairly stable price of
desktops.
Rod Speed
Jan 28, 2012, 2:04:15 PM1/28/12
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>>> I can use the same bluetooth keyboard, mouse and speakers
>>> with my mobile phone as I use with my "real PC".
>> But then it still wont work as a multichannel PVR, stupid.
> If you want a PVR then you add some USB ports
> http://tinyurl.com/46u266u.
> Of course, you may need more than one "computer"
> if you want to leave one connected to your home TV
> antenna while you take another to Europe with you.
And the 20TB of storage doesnt do a lot for the portability of the phone either.
> I agree that MythTV is a great way to prolong the useful life of an old computer.
bother with Linux at all. Gives you a lot more choice with the hardware.
>>> Both the phone and the PC allow me to plug
>>> in any screen that has an HDMI connector.
>> But that screen wont fit in your pocket anymore, stupid.
> Does your preferred "real PC" fit in your pocket?
And its got a lot more horsepower than the phone too.
> The phone will still fit in your pocket if you leave the screen at home.
> Basically, you are having trouble with the concept that, within a
> few years, your smart phone will be as powerful as a "real PC"
> and that the small size and huge volumes will make it cheaper to
> produce than the desktop or laptop that you now see as a "real PC".
> As I said at the beginning of this thread, the trend is clear from the plummeting
> price of notebooks and netbooks compared to the fairly stable price of desktops.
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