Re: Network question
Superman
> Superman wrote:
>>
>> This will probably seem like a dumbass question to the tech savvy ppl
>> here, but here goes..
>>
>> Q1/ I have a Bigpond cable modem, and I believe that BP connects
>> using the MAC address of the modem? I also have another cable access
>> point and modem of the same kind (Motorola Surfboard), so I'm
>> wondering if there's any way to set the spare modem to the same MAC
>> address so that I can set up another internet access point?
>>
>> Q2/ If that's not possible, how do I create another net access point?
>> Do I use two of these.. http://tinyurl.com/yb5ptns .. one connected
>> to the modem, and the other where I want the other access point? Or
>> else how do I do it?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> **
>>
>
> The modem goes to a router then tap off that for all connections,
> wired or wireless.
>
> Get an 'N' router not the 'G' as you suggest above. Check the specs.
>
> D-LINK Wireless N Router DIR-615 not the D-LINK Wireless G Router
> DIR-300 - Check the specs. If keen on DLink
Ok, I get that the router connects to the modem, but what does the
router transmit to? so that I can get another internet connection point?
Do I just use another router of the same kind? Or if I run a cable from
the router it would need to be about 30 or 40 metres long. Would that
length be a problem, eg. signal loss, interference, etc., and what kind
of wall plates/sockets would I use? I also want to do it as cheaply as
possible. The easiest way to do it would be if I could use the spare
modem somehow, and just connect it to the cable point that is already there.
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Rob
Thats why you need the N router so you can go wireless or run a cable
from the router to the PC - 40 metres is nothing.
atec 7 7
http://www.dd-wrt.com and upgrade the firmware
run the modem end in wireless ap the other end in wds client swap macs
and off you go a seamless connection
Superman
thanks but I don't understand any of that! maybe I'll ring Bigpond help.
but that's an oxymoron isn't it.
atec 7 7
David L. Jones
> On 1/01/2010 10:05 PM, Rob wrote:
>
>> Superman wrote:
>>>
>>> This will probably seem like a dumbass question to the tech savvy
>>> ppl here, but here goes..
>>>
>>> Q1/ I have a Bigpond cable modem, and I believe that BP connects
>>> using the MAC address of the modem? I also have another cable access
>>> point and modem of the same kind (Motorola Surfboard), so I'm
>>> wondering if there's any way to set the spare modem to the same MAC
>>> address so that I can set up another internet access point?
>>>
>>> Q2/ If that's not possible, how do I create another net access
>>> point? Do I use two of these.. http://tinyurl.com/yb5ptns .. one
>>> connected to the modem, and the other where I want the other access
>>> point? Or else how do I do it?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> **
>>>
>>
>> The modem goes to a router then tap off that for all connections,
>> wired or wireless.
>>
>> Get an 'N' router not the 'G' as you suggest above. Check the specs.
>>
>> D-LINK Wireless N Router DIR-615 not the D-LINK Wireless G Router
>> DIR-300 - Check the specs. If keen on DLink
>
> Ok, I get that the router connects to the modem, but what does the
> router transmit to?
Each computer, via cable Ethernet or Wireless.
> so that I can get another internet connection
> point? Do I just use another router of the same kind? Or if I run a cable
> from the router it would need to be about 30 or 40 metres long. Would that
> length be a problem, eg. signal loss, interference, etc.
No. 30 or 40 meters is easily possible with Ethernet.
> and what kind of wall plates/sockets would I use? I also want to do it as
> cheaply as
> possible.
Wireless is the easiest and probably the cheapest solution. Get a WiFi card
or dongle for your computer.
> The easiest way to do it would be if I could use the spare
> modem somehow, and just connect it to the cable point that is already
> there.
Forget trying to use the extra bigpond modem, it's not going to work.
The Bigpond modem plugs into the "Internet" input on the rounter, you then
plug all your computers into the rounter.
If you get a wireless router (you should, even if you don't need it now)
then you can connect as many computers as you want using the wireless
connection, as well as the ones connected directly to the router.
I use a DIR-300 D-Link wireless router with my bigpond modem, but there are
countless others.
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Hi Dave
Are you connected to Bigpond Cable?
Reason for the question is that I am wanting to replace my Router, a
Netgear WG614 and am not sure which others run the BP Cable Client.
Are you happy with the D-Link unit?
Cheers
Dave Goldfinch.
Superman
What I was actually asking is.. what equipment does the router transmit
to? Routers are only transmitters, right? not receivers. So what can I
use as the receiver if I go the wireless route? I can't use a dongle as
I need to connect via an ethernet socket, and that's because I'm not
wanting to connect to a computer but a DVDR.
>> so that I can get another internet connection
>> point? Do I just use another router of the same kind? Or if I run a cable
>> from the router it would need to be about 30 or 40 metres long. Would that
>> length be a problem, eg. signal loss, interference, etc.
>>
> No. 30 or 40 meters is easily possible with Ethernet.
>
ok
>
>> and what kind of wall plates/sockets would I use? I also want to do it as
>> cheaply as
>> possible.
>>
> Wireless is the easiest and probably the cheapest solution. Get a WiFi card
> or dongle for your computer.
>
>
I can't use either of those (see above) but I understand now that I can
run a cable from the router and just plug the other end into the
ethernet socket of the DVDR. But is there such a thing as a 'double
adapter' to use on the ethernet socket of the BP modem? If so it would
eliminate the need for a router.
>> The easiest way to do it would be if I could use the spare
>> modem somehow, and just connect it to the cable point that is already
>> there.
>>
> Forget trying to use the extra bigpond modem, it's not going to work.
>
> The Bigpond modem plugs into the "Internet" input on the rounter, you then
> plug all your computers into the rounter.
> If you get a wireless router (you should, even if you don't need it now)
> then you can connect as many computers as you want using the wireless
> connection, as well as the ones connected directly to the router.
>
> I use a DIR-300 D-Link wireless router with my bigpond modem, but there are
> countless others.
>
I'm told that not all routers work with BP modems. I will have to get a
list of 'approved' ones, but it's good to know that the DIR-300 does.
> Dave.
Rob
yes
David L. Jones
Yep.
> Reason for the question is that I am wanting to replace my Router, a
> Netgear WG614 and am not sure which others run the BP Cable Client.
There is no Bigpond cable client software any more, it's all done in the
bigpond modem via the MAC address now. So you just plug the moden into any
wired or wireless router and it just works.
I guess too many people complained about the old client software system that
meant you couldn't just plug the modem directly into a router.
> Are you happy with the D-Link unit?
Yeah, it works, never given any problem.
David L. Jones
The ethernet connection on the computer or other Internet enabled device of
course.
> Routers are only transmitters, right? not receivers.
They are tranceivers, they send and recieve ethernet packets.
> So what can I use as the receiver if I go the wireless route?
You need a wireless ethernet bridge, like this:
http://www.linksysbycisco.com/US/en/products/WET54G
> I can't use a dongle as I need to connect via an ethernet socket, and
> that's
> because I'm not wanting to connect to a computer but a DVDR.
>
>>> and what kind of wall plates/sockets would I use? I also want to do
>>> it as cheaply as
>>> possible.
>>>
>> Wireless is the easiest and probably the cheapest solution. Get a
>> WiFi card or dongle for your computer.
>>
>>
>
> I can't use either of those (see above) but I understand now that I
> can run a cable from the router and just plug the other end into the
> ethernet socket of the DVDR. But is there such a thing as a 'double
> adapter' to use on the ethernet socket of the BP modem? If so it would
> eliminate the need for a router.
Don't know for sure, sorry.
A wireless ethernet bridge would allow you to use a wireless router as I
said.
Rob
> Superman" <"the _man_of_steel wrote:
>> On 2/01/2010 3:05 PM, David L. Jones wrote:
>>
>>> Superman"<"the _man_of_steel wrote:
Look I found a picture!
Dave Goldfinch
On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 09:37:31 +1100, "David L. Jones"
<alt...@gmail.com> wrote:
Well that is news to me!
I always knew that it was done via the MAC address as this was what
the installers had to call back to the admin centre before it would
work. I have been using the same modem & router since I connected to
BP about 6 years ago & it definitely hasn't changed apart from a
download of new firmware for the router about a year ago.
Are you perhaps talking about the Cable Elite or Ultimate offering?
This hasn't hit WA yet.
Dave
David L. Jones
Don't know about those, I joined the super fast Bigpond Liberty Extreme plan
in Sydney a couple of years back after having it 5 years ago or so and then
switching to ADSL for a couple of years.
I guess they call that the Elite or Ultimate plan now?
I've got the new SB5101 modem as part of the new sign-on package, don't know
if you need that to connect direct via the MAC address only though.
One of the reasons that enticed me back to cable was that they had removed
the requirement to have that stupid client software running on the computer
that was connected, so you couldn't just connect the modem to a wireless
router like you can with an ADSL modem.
I read on the Whirlpool forums that they had actually removed this
requirement a year or two before I joined again, and I believe it's for all
plans now. No one should have to use the client software.
Best to ask on the Whirlpool forums about this though, I don't know all the
details.
Jasen Betts
> What I was actually asking is.. what equipment does the router transmit
> to? Routers are only transmitters, right? not receivers. So what can I
> use as the receiver if I go the wireless route? I can't use a dongle as
> I need to connect via an ethernet socket, and that's because I'm not
> wanting to connect to a computer but a DVDR.
a "wireless bridge" or an access point that supports bridging can be
used to connect wired devices to a wireless network.
> I can't use either of those (see above) but I understand now that I can
> run a cable from the router and just plug the other end into the
> ethernet socket of the DVDR. But is there such a thing as a 'double
> adapter' to use on the ethernet socket of the BP modem? If so it would
> eliminate the need for a router.
you could try an ethernet switch there.
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Hugh Jeego
"Superman" <"the _man_of_steel"@metropolis.com> wrote in message
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>
> What I was actually asking is.. what equipment does the router transmit
> to? Routers are only transmitters, right? not receivers. So what can I
Nope. A router is a transceiver the same as radios in taxis are
transceivers. Routers send and receive otherwise they cant route.
> use as the receiver if I go the wireless route? I can't use a dongle as I
> need to connect via an ethernet socket, and that's because I'm not wanting
> to connect to a computer but a DVDR.
I assume you mean you want to connect to something like a Tivo? If so you
need to be more specific. Which one? In any case, a wi-fi router is a
transceiver and you WOULD need a dongle if your computer isnt close to the
other equipment. Alternatively, if you want to run ethernet cables
everywhere, you could have a router that either is or isnt also wi-fi and
plug the cables into it. Some routers allow more than one ethernet
connection.
Superman
>
> "Superman" <"the _man_of_steel"@metropolis.com> wrote in message
> news:VCH%m.66372$ze1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>
>> What I was actually asking is.. what equipment does the router
>> transmit to? Routers are only transmitters, right? not receivers. So
>> what can I
>
> Nope. A router is a transceiver the same as radios in taxis are
> transceivers. Routers send and receive otherwise they cant route.
>
>> use as the receiver if I go the wireless route? I can't use a dongle
>> as I need to connect via an ethernet socket, and that's because I'm
>> not wanting to connect to a computer but a DVDR.
>
> I assume you mean you want to connect to something like a Tivo?
No, it's a DVDR that has inbuilt software for connecting to the internet
via an ethernet socket.
> If so you need to be more specific. Which one? In any case, a wi-fi
> router is a transceiver and you WOULD need a dongle if your computer
> isnt close to the other equipment. Alternatively, if you want to run
> ethernet cables everywhere, you could have a router that either is or
> isnt also wi-fi and plug the cables into it. Some routers allow more
> than one ethernet connection.
>
>
It seems to me this is what I have to do?..
http://ausnet.info/pics/router.jpg
(with apologies to Rembrandt, Renoir, etc., :)
Superman
The router has to transmit to some device that the cable from the socket
plugs into. That is what I meant.
>> Routers are only transmitters, right? not receivers.
>>
> They are tranceivers, they send and recieve ethernet packets.
>
>
>> So what can I use as the receiver if I go the wireless route?
>>
> You need a wireless ethernet bridge, like this:
> http://www.linksysbycisco.com/US/en/products/WET54G
>
>
ok, thanks. I'm beginning to get this problem sorted out now.
>> I can't use a dongle as I need to connect via an ethernet socket, and
>> that's
>> because I'm not wanting to connect to a computer but a DVDR.
>>
>>
>>>> and what kind of wall plates/sockets would I use? I also want to do
>>>> it as cheaply as
>>>> possible.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Wireless is the easiest and probably the cheapest solution. Get a
>>> WiFi card or dongle for your computer.
>>>
>>>
>> I can't use either of those (see above) but I understand now that I
>> can run a cable from the router and just plug the other end into the
>> ethernet socket of the DVDR. But is there such a thing as a 'double
>> adapter' to use on the ethernet socket of the BP modem? If so it would
>> eliminate the need for a router.
>>
> Don't know for sure, sorry.
> A wireless ethernet bridge would allow you to use a wireless router as I
> said.
>
> Dave.
>
>
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Superman
>
>
> It seems to me this is what I have to do?..
> http://ausnet.info/pics/router.jpg
>
> (with apologies to Rembrandt, Renoir, etc., :)
>
>
(except that the 'receiver' router can alternatively be a bridge)
Superman
> On 2010-01-02, Superman<"the _man_of_steel"@metropolis.com> wrote:
>
>
>> What I was actually asking is.. what equipment does the router transmit
>> to? Routers are only transmitters, right? not receivers. So what can I
>> use as the receiver if I go the wireless route? I can't use a dongle as
>> I need to connect via an ethernet socket, and that's because I'm not
>> wanting to connect to a computer but a DVDR.
>>
> a "wireless bridge" or an access point that supports bridging can be
> used to connect wired devices to a wireless network.
>
>
Thanks. I'll have to investigate the difference between that and a
router. I assume that the bridge would be cheaper.
>> I can't use either of those (see above) but I understand now that I can
>> run a cable from the router and just plug the other end into the
>> ethernet socket of the DVDR. But is there such a thing as a 'double
>> adapter' to use on the ethernet socket of the BP modem? If so it would
>> eliminate the need for a router.
>>
> you could try an ethernet switch there.
>
>
Except I will need to use a wireless router if I'm not going to run cable.
David L. Jones
> On 5/01/2010 7:30 AM, Hugh Jeego wrote:
>
>>
>> "Superman" <"the _man_of_steel"@metropolis.com> wrote in message
>> news:VCH%m.66372$ze1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>>
>>> What I was actually asking is.. what equipment does the router
>>> transmit to? Routers are only transmitters, right? not receivers. So
>>> what can I
>>
>> Nope. A router is a transceiver the same as radios in taxis are
>> transceivers. Routers send and receive otherwise they cant route.
>>
>>> use as the receiver if I go the wireless route? I can't use a dongle
>>> as I need to connect via an ethernet socket, and that's because I'm
>>> not wanting to connect to a computer but a DVDR.
>>
>> I assume you mean you want to connect to something like a Tivo?
>
> No, it's a DVDR that has inbuilt software for connecting to the
> internet via an ethernet socket.
>
>> If so you need to be more specific. Which one? In any case, a wi-fi
>> router is a transceiver and you WOULD need a dongle if your computer
>> isnt close to the other equipment. Alternatively, if you want to run
>> ethernet cables everywhere, you could have a router that either is or
>> isnt also wi-fi and plug the cables into it. Some routers allow more
>> than one ethernet connection.
>>
>>
>
> It seems to me this is what I have to do?..
> http://ausnet.info/pics/router.jpg
Not quite.
The PC plugs into the wireless rounter, which has multiple ethernet outputs
for just this purpose.
Dave.
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Superman
So both the PC and the modem plug into the router. We're getting there!
> Dave.
David L. Jones
Yes, the router will have an Ethernet port labeled "Internet" or similar,
and the other Ethernet ports will be labeled 1,2,3,4 etc
I'll leave it up to you to figure out what goes where.
Hugh Jeego
> On 5/01/2010 7:30 AM, Hugh Jeego wrote:
>
>>
>> "Superman" <"the _man_of_steel"@metropolis.com> wrote in message
>> news:VCH%m.66372$ze1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>>
>>> What I was actually asking is.. what equipment does the router transmit
>>> to? Routers are only transmitters, right? not receivers. So what can I
>>
>> Nope. A router is a transceiver the same as radios in taxis are
>> transceivers. Routers send and receive otherwise they cant route.
>>
>>> use as the receiver if I go the wireless route? I can't use a dongle as
>>> I need to connect via an ethernet socket, and that's because I'm not
>>> wanting to connect to a computer but a DVDR.
>>
>> I assume you mean you want to connect to something like a Tivo?
>
> No, it's a DVDR that has inbuilt software for connecting to the internet
> via an ethernet socket.
>
I will take your word for it that it does because some dont. With some, like
Tivo, it connects to internet to get updates but if you want to network it
with computers you need to buy their software.
>> If so you need to be more specific. Which one? In any case, a wi-fi
>> router is a transceiver and you WOULD need a dongle if your computer isnt
>> close to the other equipment. Alternatively, if you want to run ethernet
>> cables everywhere, you could have a router that either is or isnt also
>> wi-fi and plug the cables into it. Some routers allow more than one
>> ethernet connection.
>>
>>
>
> It seems to me this is what I have to do?..
> http://ausnet.info/pics/router.jpg
>
> (with apologies to Rembrandt, Renoir, etc., :)
>
Nope. I remember you saying you didnt want a USB dongle in it so assume you
want to rule that out. That being the case you can simply run an ethernet
cable from the DVDR to your current modem/router, assuming of course, that
your current one can take more than one ethernet connection. Now if you dont
want to do that, yes you CAN do as you say but the one connected to the DVDR
would have to be setup as a passthrough, basically. Eg, it gets all info
from the other end such as IP address and anything to do with internet.
Before you buy, though, make sure the one you are buying can do that.
Earlier versions of some cant do that and some cant do it at all.
Hugh Jeego
Yes and no. Depends on the modem you have. If one Ethernet port then yes but
if it has more than one, no need.
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Jasen Betts
> On 3/01/2010 9:36 PM, Jasen Betts wrote:
>
>> On 2010-01-02, Superman<"the _man_of_steel"@metropolis.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> What I was actually asking is.. what equipment does the router transmit
>>> to? Routers are only transmitters, right? not receivers. So what can I
>>> use as the receiver if I go the wireless route? I can't use a dongle as
>>> I need to connect via an ethernet socket, and that's because I'm not
>>> wanting to connect to a computer but a DVDR.
>>>
>> a "wireless bridge" or an access point that supports bridging can be
>> used to connect wired devices to a wireless network.
>>
>>
>
> Thanks. I'll have to investigate the difference between that and a
> router. I assume that the bridge would be cheaper.
the main difference is the bridge puts the wired devices on the same
subnet as the wireless devices. a router would put them on a different
subnet, so the bridge is easier to set up. Last time I was buying,
bridges were more expensive even though they are simpler devices.
(probably not a large enough market)
Superman
>
> "Superman" <"the _man_of_steel"@metropolis.com> wrote in message
> news:Sax0n.66916$ze1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> On 5/01/2010 7:30 AM, Hugh Jeego wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Superman" <"the _man_of_steel"@metropolis.com> wrote in message
>>> news:VCH%m.66372$ze1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>>>
>>>> What I was actually asking is.. what equipment does the router
>>>> transmit to? Routers are only transmitters, right? not receivers.
>>>> So what can I
>>>
>>> Nope. A router is a transceiver the same as radios in taxis are
>>> transceivers. Routers send and receive otherwise they cant route.
>>>
>>>> use as the receiver if I go the wireless route? I can't use a
>>>> dongle as I need to connect via an ethernet socket, and that's
>>>> because I'm not wanting to connect to a computer but a DVDR.
>>>
>>> I assume you mean you want to connect to something like a Tivo?
>>
>> No, it's a DVDR that has inbuilt software for connecting to the
>> internet via an ethernet socket.
>>
>
> I will take your word for it that it does because some dont.
It's Panasonic's VieraCast system that has been around for some time,
incorporated in both their panels and DVDRs ..
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-9972024-1.html
> With some, like Tivo, it connects to internet to get updates but if
> you want to network it with computers you need to buy their software.
>
>>> If so you need to be more specific. Which one? In any case, a wi-fi
>>> router is a transceiver and you WOULD need a dongle if your computer
>>> isnt close to the other equipment. Alternatively, if you want to run
>>> ethernet cables everywhere, you could have a router that either is
>>> or isnt also wi-fi and plug the cables into it. Some routers allow
>>> more than one ethernet connection.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> It seems to me this is what I have to do?..
>> http://ausnet.info/pics/router.jpg
>>
>> (with apologies to Rembrandt, Renoir, etc., :)
>>
>
> Nope. I remember you saying you didnt want a USB dongle in it so
> assume you want to rule that out.
Yes, because the DVDR connects via an ethernet port.
> That being the case you can simply run an ethernet cable from the DVDR
> to your current modem/router,
I have decided to go with cabling. I got 30m of fitted cable and two
wall outlets on eBay for less than $30 including postage. I didn't
realize that the cable was that cheap. I had been misinformed in that
regard.
> assuming of course, that your current one can take more than one
> ethernet connection.
It doesn't but I'm getting a different kind from my ISP.
> Now if you dont want to do that, yes you CAN do as you say but the one
> connected to the DVDR would have to be setup as a passthrough,
> basically. Eg, it gets all info from the other end such as IP address
> and anything to do with internet. Before you buy, though, make sure
> the one you are buying can do that. Earlier versions of some cant do
> that and some cant do it at all.
>
Thanks for your help. Much appreciated.
Hugh Jeego
Yep. You will find motels a good example where the motel is set on a good
sized block of land. Sometimes the person in a room wanting internet through
their kiosk style setup to each room is so far away that they cant get it
wi-fi and no ethernet is supplied. To get over that, many choose the cheap
option such as having a modem/router (wi-fi) or just a wi-fi router that is
sitting around unused and placing it halfway. Of course said box is capable
of passing through and getting its IP address off the main one as they
designate it. Another example is a large company complex such as an oil
refinery. They need cars to get around the place and ethernet cable wont cut
it out their way but they still need everything to communicate at each
office. Wi-fi is often fed through repeaters in such a case but it depends
on the person installing and what sort of stock they have on hand. I have
seen them use a wi-fi ADSL router as just a repeater.
Hugh Jeego
>
> I have decided to go with cabling. I got 30m of fitted cable and two wall
> outlets on eBay for less than $30 including postage. I didn't realize that
> the cable was that cheap. I had been misinformed in that regard.
>
There's a cabling place at http://www.4cabling.com.au/ that you may want to
have a look at. 30 metres $15.90. I use them a lot. I live a hell of a
distance away from them and postage has been, at most, $10.