Goth X of the X findings
Yellow Electric Rat
Very, very, very bored.
So bored it's incredible.
So I decided to poke around Goth X of the X sites. Felt the need to
look at People Prettier Than Me (tm). After seeing the nth pouty
faced, cleavage infested, black lipped beauty, I decided to take some
notes (as I said, I was /very/ bored). Here are the results of the
Goth X of the X survey. Results are from boy/girl pages, so not that
skewed (lots more girlies willing to have their photoes splashed
around though it seems).
Of all the pictures found on only two pages:
37 were in Black and White
Surprisingly, only 5 were in Graveyards. More popular seemed the
bedroom for location. I've now seen into several 'goth babe'
bedrooms. Pause. Shudder.
21 wore black lipstick. How the heck you get to be goth
babe/gorgeous/whatever of anything by wearing black lipstick remains a
mystery.
27 had Bored/Sneery expressions. This also came hand in hand with the
'come hither' poses.
24 had Brooding/Angstful expressions. It seems by three points, bored
and sneery is more chic than brooding/angstful.
32 were in 'Come Hither That I May Rip Your Guts Out' poses. And with
those with that ruffled hair, racy knickers and booblies flapping for
all to see, I think the viewer is meant to think that somebody has
gone thither before them (is that a word?).
And only 1 person wore a big fucking smile.
Janie.
"An eye for an eye only leads to more blindness."
- Margaret Atwood
Yellow Electric Rat
Electric Rat) inserted a refrigerator into their person and screamed:
By the way, no offense to those who have been goth x of the x - Not
everyone fell into one of these categories, and lots of the people
looked damned fine. :)
Letterbomb
>And only 1 person wore a big fucking smile.
You're one of the few people whom I know that would look good
accessorising a coy smile with a carving knife.
Letterbomb
____________________________________________________________
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- Pushkin
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valeskah
>And only 1 person wore a big fucking smile.
i hope that was me! i remember smiling in that foter.....
vaguely :)
valeskah
valeskah @ gothic . net . au ICQ# - 6120743
http://www.gothic.net.au/~valeskah/
"for a single man in possession of a good fortune must be in
want of a wife!"
Alch0GoFF_*hic*!!!
> So bored it's incredible.
(Back this week doing the CorporateSlave thing after a month of clubs,
pubs, sleeping in, substance abuse and attemping CBD (Complete Bodily
Disfunction) in the process)
Empathise...very, very, very well.
> So I decided to poke around Goth X of the X sites. Felt the need to
> look at People Prettier Than Me (tm).
Ahhh...but your beauty may be natural dahhlink...
But guesstimate the percentage whose beauty comes out of a bottle? ;)
(Knows this for a fact having in the past lived in gothgirlie houses
and seen such People Prettier Than Me (tm) sans make-up. *SHUDDER!*)
How many times have I heard the pitiful moans of guys/girls who
have eagerly started to drag home girls/guys or v.v. only to discover
the vision of lovliness under the dark lights of the dance floor
...when taken outside under the exterior lighting of the club
...makes them change their minds very abruptly!!!
Makeup can't always work miracles...
who would wear the stuff in this weather?!?!?!?!?!
> After seeing the nth pouty
> faced, cleavage infested, black lipped beauty, I decided to take some
> notes (as I said, I was /very/ bored). Here are the results of the
> Goth X of the X survey. Results are from boy/girl pages, so not that
> skewed (lots more girlies willing to have their photoes splashed
> around though it seems).
An ex of mine doctored his heavily...I did not get what I expected!
(that'll learn ya!)
> Of all the pictures found on only two pages:
>
> 37 were in Black and White
To hide the aformentioned moonscaped..red blotchy volcanic complexions
> Surprisingly, only 5 were in Graveyards. More popular seemed the
> bedroom for location. I've now seen into several 'goth babe'
> bedrooms. Pause. Shudder.
Mine was in the back yard on a crate in front of a drain pipe...
Glamourousssssss.
> 21 wore black lipstick. How the heck you get to be goth
> babe/gorgeous/whatever of anything by wearing black lipstick remains a
> mystery.
Nup...Looks somewhat crap on asiatic complexions...IMO
(Makes you look like you've been having a torrid affair with the
michelen man anyways)
Grease paint makes you look like an attendant at a Tea Ceremony (tried
it once...all that was needed was a kimono)
> 27 had Bored/Sneery expressions. This also came hand in hand with the
> 'come hither' poses.
> ...
Pose: Slouched over as if to say "gudday?"
Expression: Inscrutable?
Care factor of sundry: None whatsoever
> And only 1 person wore a big fucking smile.
There's a very recent one I was given where I'm on a slant of 45
degrees holding a cocktail glass with a stupid, pissed-as-a-parrot
beaming moonfaced grin...wish that one was submitted...Its more of a
portrait than a piccky...
Hey does anyone here have any cute pikkies to show and tell on this
newsgroup...? Go on...don't be shy! Wanna see!
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Before you buy.
Yellow Electric Rat
inserted a refrigerator into their person and screamed:
>On Wed, 01 Dec 1999 11:05:53 GMT, fe...@nospam.ains.net.au (Yellow
>Electric Rat) tippy-tapped in a rather suggestive manner:
>
>>And only 1 person wore a big fucking smile.
>
>i hope that was me! i remember smiling in that foter.....
>vaguely :)
Well, the actual 'Goth Babe of the Week' site was only skimmed over.
I saw you though! And you /were/ smiling! But that wasn't one of the
pages used in that little exercise.
The ones were, if I remember, 'Goth Pinup of the Week' and 'Gorgeous
Goth of the Week' - Used because they were both big and had males and
females.
Janie, who knows her end of year exam results today.
Ohshitohshitohshiohshit....
Yellow Electric Rat
inserted a refrigerator into their person and screamed:
>On Wed, 01 Dec 1999 11:05:53 GMT, fe...@nospam.ains.net.au (Yellow
>Electric Rat) wrote:
>>And only 1 person wore a big fucking smile.
>
>You're one of the few people whom I know that would look good
>accessorising a coy smile with a carving knife.
....
You know, I have NO idea how to take that. :)
Janie.
valeskah
Electric Rat) tippy-tapped in a rather suggestive manner:
>The ones were, if I remember, 'Goth Pinup of the Week' and 'Gorgeous
>Goth of the Week' - Used because they were both big and had males and
>females.
ooOOoo blokes eh?
anything worthwhile looking at? :)
might have to mosey on and have a gawk ;)))
>Janie, who knows her end of year exam results today.
>Ohshitohshitohshiohshit....
mine dont come out for a couple of days, so i still have time to
pretend they dont exist :)
Thorfinn
Yellow Electric Rat <fe...@nospam.ains.net.au> wrote:
> On Wed, 01 Dec 1999 11:29:54 GMT, cwro...@tig.com.au (Letterbomb)
> inserted a refrigerator into their person and screamed:
> >On Wed, 01 Dec 1999 11:05:53 GMT, fe...@nospam.ains.net.au (Yellow
> >Electric Rat) wrote:
> >>And only 1 person wore a big fucking smile.
> >You're one of the few people whom I know that would look good
> >accessorising a coy smile with a carving knife.
Take it well. :) I know I look damned fine with a smile and a large
steel cleaver in hand. *grin*
Must get somewhat enthused at some point and go to Bound with it
again.
Ook,
Thorf
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Surrealism is // Like a quick icy jump into // Cold lobster trousers
-- entrippy <entr...@labyrinth.net.au>
Letterbomb
Electric Rat) wrote:
>On Wed, 01 Dec 1999 11:29:54 GMT, cwro...@tig.com.au (Letterbomb)
>inserted a refrigerator into their person and screamed:
>
>>On Wed, 01 Dec 1999 11:05:53 GMT, fe...@nospam.ains.net.au (Yellow
>>Electric Rat) wrote:
>>>And only 1 person wore a big fucking smile.
>>
>>You're one of the few people whom I know that would look good
>>accessorising a coy smile with a carving knife.
>You know, I have NO idea how to take that. :)
What Thorf said.
Renee
>In aus.culture.gothic, on Wed, 01 Dec 1999 20:43:05 GMT
>> On Wed, 01 Dec 1999 11:29:54 GMT, cwro...@tig.com.au (Letterbomb)
>> inserted a refrigerator into their person and screamed:
>> >On Wed, 01 Dec 1999 11:05:53 GMT, fe...@nospam.ains.net.au (Yellow
>> >Electric Rat) wrote:
>> >>And only 1 person wore a big fucking smile.
>> >You're one of the few people whom I know that would look good
>> >accessorising a coy smile with a carving knife.
>
>steel cleaver in hand. *grin*
>
>Must get somewhat enthused at some point and go to Bound with it
>again.
>
You missed out on me and rabbit tying up the pussycat and finding long
sharp pointy things!
Hobbes (pointy!)
"We are all addicted to something stranger than ourselves" - Jeff Noon
Yellow Electric Rat
inserted a refrigerator into their person and screamed:
>On Wed, 01 Dec 1999 20:42:29 GMT, fe...@nospam.ains.net.au (Yellow
>Electric Rat) tippy-tapped in a rather suggestive manner:
I don't do 'suggestive'.
I do 'subtle as a bloody sledgehammer'.
>
>ooOOoo blokes eh?
>anything worthwhile looking at? :)
>might have to mosey on and have a gawk ;)))
Mmmmph. Depends how many doe-eyed, long black haired, broody
expressioned, scantily clad (often chained up), remarkably thin men
you can stand looking at.
I don't know about you, but for me that's a goodly number.
Janie, who just did discover her exam results. Oh angst. Oh woe. Oh
the pain.
Neef
>In aus.culture.gothic, on Wed, 01 Dec 1999 20:43:05 GMT
>
>Take it well. :) I know I look damned fine with a smile and a large
>steel cleaver in hand. *grin*
>
Whereas when I hold them, and Smile, People just run...
I dont know why, the only person I harm wiht sharp things is
myself....
Neef (oh yeah..dont give me a crowbar either )
I've learned- that you cannot make someone love you. All you can do, is
stalk them and hope they panic and give in.
Neef
Electric Rat) wrote:
>>On Wed, 01 Dec 1999 20:42:29 GMT, fe...@nospam.ains.net.au (Yellow
>>Electric Rat) tippy-tapped in a rather suggestive manner:
>I don't do 'suggestive'.
>I do 'subtle as a bloody sledgehammer'.
RIGHT ON!
thats the only way to be!
None of this namby pamby polite PC Crap!
Bring on the Drunk elephant weilding a bull in a china shop!
On crack no less!!!!
Neef (Honey, are you on crank?)
LiPsBLeeDPrEttY
Yellow Electric Rat wrote:
> And only 1 person wore a big fucking smile.
>
> Janie.
>
> "An eye for an eye only leads to more blindness."
>
> - Margaret Atwood
I SMILE!! look at my page!! i smile in nearly EVERY photo!!! except in a
few piss take photos rat n i did when we were playing 'oh yeah, man, im so
hardcore, i can pose' games... but ignore them!!! its a very easy award to
win, that 'gothic babe of the week' thingy if you ask me!!! they even let
perky-goffs like me in!! noooooo!
^*^
DeB (flee, flee, and save your sanity!)
(and save me from the over-use of exclamation marks)
(sorry)
valeskah
sledgehammer:
>Mmmmph. Depends how many doe-eyed, long black haired, broody
>expressioned, scantily clad (often chained up), remarkably thin men
>you can stand looking at.
hhmm...
i like them occasionally with a bit more meat on their bones, but i do
believe i will survive :)
>I don't know about you, but for me that's a goodly number.
*nods in agreement* :)
and hey, theres that chains thing too! :)
>Janie, who just did discover her exam results. Oh angst. Oh woe. Oh
>the pain.
that bad huh? :\
*hugs*
Greylock: Numb
did dance the two-step and proclaim:
> its a very easy award to
>win, that 'gothic babe of the week' thingy if you ask me!!! they even let
>perky-goffs like me in!! noooooo!
Goth Goose is even easier to win.
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In this silence I am sinking
Donald Halloran
>
> On Thu, 02 Dec 1999 21:23:26 +0100, LiPsBLeeDPrEttY <cha...@healey.com.au>
> did dance the two-step and proclaim:
>
> > its a very easy award to
> >win, that 'gothic babe of the week' thingy if you ask me!!! they even let
> >perky-goffs like me in!! noooooo!
>
> Goth Goose is even easier to win.
>
No... you sometimes need a disturbed ex to nominate you for that one.
--
Don Halloran
Greylock: Numb
<dona...@ozemail.com.au> did dance the two-step and proclaim:
>> Goth Goose is even easier to win.
>>
>
>No... you sometimes need a disturbed ex to nominate you for that one.
Aha!
(What? A disturbed ex- isn't hard to come by?)
----
H*ydn
Trapped between the tick and the tock
Neef
wrote:
>
>(What? A disturbed ex- isn't hard to come by?)
>
In the Goth scene??
No...
The trouble is finding a NON-distubed Ex.
Neef (breadknife!)
Letterbomb
>On Mon, 06 Dec 1999 10:30:07 GMT, Hydn242@hotm*il.gov (Greylock: Numb)
>wrote:
>>(What? A disturbed ex- isn't hard to come by?)
>>
>In the Goth scene??
>No...
>The trouble is finding a NON-distubed Ex.
It's pathetic because it's true.
Letterbomb (who suspects it's probably like this everywhere.)
Trayce
>In the Goth scene??
>No...
>The trouble is finding a NON-distubed Ex.
>
>Neef (breadknife!)
This is why I never go out with goths :P
Trayce (damn hippies...)
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"There are only two feelings. Love and fear" (Leunig)
Donald Halloran
>
> On Mon, 06 Dec 1999 20:53:04 +1100, Donald Halloran
> <dona...@ozemail.com.au> did dance the two-step and proclaim:
>
> >> Goth Goose is even easier to win.
> >>
> >
> >No... you sometimes need a disturbed ex to nominate you for that one.
>
> Aha!
>
Yeah I actually thought of that myself a few seconds after posting the
above. :)
C'est la vie.
--
Don Halloran
Neef
wrote:
>
>This is why I never go out with goths :P
>
But..but.......Trayce! !!!!!
*sob* I cant live without you!!!!
dont leave me!!!!!!!!!
Neef (I can get worse you know)
Madi
>
>*sob* I cant live without you!!!!
Then die.
-Madi (spreading a little sunshine)
--
The first hyphen in MAH-JUH-REEN could be used for erotic gratification
by a very desparate stenographer.
-Frank Zappa
LiPsBLeeDPrEttY
Greylock: Numb wrote:
> On Thu, 02 Dec 1999 21:23:26 +0100, LiPsBLeeDPrEttY <cha...@healey.com.au>
> did dance the two-step and proclaim:
>
> > its a very easy award to
> >win, that 'gothic babe of the week' thingy if you ask me!!! they even let
> >perky-goffs like me in!! noooooo!
>
> Goth Goose is even easier to win.
>
touche.
u r well worthy of the intense dislinking i have developed for u h*yden.
one 'friend' once told me everybody wants something. be it ur money, be it
your respect, ur admiration, ur envy or ur hatred.
I hereby give it to him.
Its a good general rule
hayden u seem confused as to what you want from whom. it tends to change on a
regular basis. consistency, daaaaahling.
go back to ignoring my posts for fucks sake.
or kilfile me.
but dont give simon beckett credit.
treating life and all its objects w/ disdain is well and good
as long as it doesnt congratulate scum.
^*^
DeB (sneering so hard she's developed a twitch)
valeskah
<cha...@healey.com.au> tippy-tapped in a rather suggestive manner:
>touche.
>u r well worthy of the intense dislinking i have developed for u h*yden.
did i miss something here?
*blink*
valeskah
Barbarella
>
> On Wed, 08 Dec 1999 12:09:25 +0100, LiPsBLeeDPrEttY
> <cha...@healey.com.au> tippy-tapped in a rather suggestive manner:
>
> >touche.
> >u r well worthy of the intense dislinking i have developed for u h*yden.
>
> did i miss something here?
> *blink*
Yes.... "Dislinking". A process by which one snips a string of
sausages into their individual sausage components. An "intense
dislinking" would suggest that a great number of sausage products are
involved.
I believe Ms Lips is informing Greylock that she has prepared him a
barbeque of family-reunion proportions.
Whether or not a casual game of backyard cricket would follow this feast
is anyone's guess...
Barbarella - stumps.
--
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http://www.internettrash.com/users/barbarella
"Had I not been a writer, I could have been a faithful wife"
- Anais Nin.
Neef
<barba...@internettrash.com> wrote:
>valeskah wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, 08 Dec 1999 12:09:25 +0100, LiPsBLeeDPrEttY
>> <cha...@healey.com.au> tippy-tapped in a rather suggestive manner:
>>
>> >touche.
>> >u r well worthy of the intense dislinking i have developed for u h*yden.
>>
>> did i miss something here?
>> *blink*
>
most probably yes...
>
>Yes.... "Dislinking". A process by which one snips a string of
>sausages into their individual sausage components. An "intense
>dislinking" would suggest that a great number of sausage products are
>involved.
Either that, or only a few sausages but dislinked with great
fervour..
as in "dislinking with extreme prejudice" possibly using a large Axe
or Cleaver...
Maybe a blunt carving knife...
>
>I believe Ms Lips is informing Greylock that she has prepared him a
>barbeque of family-reunion proportions.
>
what a sweet and lovely thing to do....
"Ere laddy, Im gonna make ye a barbeque!!!!!"
or perhaps...
"I was perhaps wonderin if ye mother was aquainted with the fine art
of grilling meat??"
"she is?? Oh thats great THEN COOK THIS LADDY!!!!"
>Whether or not a casual game of backyard cricket would follow this feast
>is anyone's guess...
>
as long as theres animal products in theres somewhere I guess so..
Neef (shock....)
Greylock: Numb
>touche.
Fact: Your e-stalker nominated you for Goth Goose.
Fact: You won a Goth Goose award.
Fact: The pics are yours, from your homepage, and were presumably take with
your consent.
Fact: The Goth Goose award is there for all the world to see. I'd be
surprised if I was the only one to notice you'd one.
Fact: As I believe I said in e-mail, Markus is a decent fellow and if you
explain that he's being used in some petty vendetta campaign I have no
doubt he'll remove your pics.
>u r well worthy of the intense dislinking i have developed for u h*yden.
You can dislink me all you like. I don't mind.
You can dislike me all you want too. I just don't see why.
>one 'friend' once told me everybody wants something.
o/~ they'll take your money/ and never give up o/~
>be it ur money, be it your respect, ur admiration, ur envy or ur hatred.
>I hereby give it to him.
Clearly I have missed something.
>Its a good general rule
>hayden u seem confused as to what you want from whom.
>it tends to change on a regular basis.
Other than your hatred, what else have I asked for from you?
Enlighten me, since you appear to know me better than I do.
>consistency, daaaaahling.
I much prefer hypocrisy.
>go back to ignoring my posts for fucks sake.
Not sure I ever have done that.
>or kilfile me.
I dislike killfiling acg people.
Only the most annoying go there. To date I don't think you deserve it.
>but dont give simon beckett credit.
And he is?
>treating life and all its objects w/ disdain is well and good
>as long as it doesnt congratulate scum.
>
>^*^
>DeB (sneering so hard she's developed a twitch)
That happened to Billy Idol too.
Alch0GoFF_*hic*!!!
Hydn242@hotm*il.gov wrote:
> On Wed, 08 Dec 1999 12:09:25 +0100, LiPsBLeeDPrEttY
<cha...@healey.com.au>
> did dance the two-step and proclaim:
>
<SNIP!>
*chokes from the stench of dirty laundry*
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Before you buy.
Donald Halloran
>
> On Wed, 08 Dec 1999 12:09:25 +0100, LiPsBLeeDPrEttY <cha...@healey.com.au>
> did dance the two-step and proclaim:
>
>
> Fact: Your e-stalker nominated you for Goth Goose.
> Fact: You won a Goth Goose award.
> Fact: The pics are yours, from your homepage, and were presumably take with
> your consent.
> Fact: The Goth Goose award is there for all the world to see. I'd be
> surprised if I was the only one to notice you'd one.
> Fact: As I believe I said in e-mail, Markus is a decent fellow and if you
> explain that he's being used in some petty vendetta campaign I have no
> doubt he'll remove your pics.
More facts for your file:
The webpage is not listed on search engines. It's a place for Deb to put
her personal pictures for her personal friends to see.
You may believe Markus to be a decent fellow, but fact: it has been
explained to him that the pics are being used in a petty vendetta
campaign and he has not removed them.
--
Don Halloran
Spikey Cat
>>>
>>No...
>>The trouble is finding a NON-distubed Ex.
>
OK hands up everybody who's had to try and work out with their other gothy
flatmates just whose psycho-ex it is who is doing hang-ups at 3am. And how
the fuck did they get the silent number anyway?
Spikey Cat
---------------
"For every action, there is an equal and opposite criticism."
Donald Halloran
>
> <snip>
A few more facts that may be of general interest to those who ever want
to put anything on a web page:
Fact: Photographs, whether artistic in nature or not, are protected by
Australian copyright law. They may not be displayed, nor authorised for
display without permission.
Fact: Defamation law applies to usenet and the internet.
--
Don Halloran
Neef
wrote:
>
>OK hands up everybody who's had to try and work out with their other gothy
>flatmates just whose psycho-ex it is who is doing hang-ups at 3am. And how
>the fuck did they get the silent number anyway?
hands up what?
Yes..yes Ive had that happen, although at the time there was no trying
to work out who's ex it was from, its was a dead cert who it was.
as for teh silent number, unfortunately there are any number of people
in the world that will give your number to someone who says "yeah man
I know them!!!"
we used to have someone ring us about 6 times a day and hang up no
matter who answered the phone...
Stopped soon after I started telling people at the club about how we
were going to rent a phone with caller Id :)
Neef (Breadknife!)
valeskah
manner:
<snip sausages>
you made me giggle lots there :)))
>Whether or not a casual game of backyard cricket would follow this feast
>is anyone's guess...
over the fence and yer out?
and you have to go get the tennis ball from the next door backyard,
who happen to own a large scary doggy? :)
James Robertson
>On Mon, 06 Dec 1999 22:41:06 +1000, Neef <ne...@vurt.net> wrote:
>
>>In the Goth scene??
>>No...
>>The trouble is finding a NON-distubed Ex.
>>
>>Neef (breadknife!)
>
>This is why I never go out with goths :P
*snigger*
>
>Trayce (damn hippies...)
>
Fucking Goths.
James.
Alch0GoFF_*hic*!!!
Neef <ne...@vurt.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 8 Dec 1999 20:42:42 +1100, "Spikey Cat" <cose...@zip.com.au>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >OK hands up everybody who's had to try and work out with their other
gothy
> >flatmates just whose psycho-ex it is who is doing hang-ups at 3am.
And how
> >the fuck did they get the silent number anyway?
>
> hands up what?
>
> matter who answered the phone...
> Stopped soon after I started telling people at the club about how we
> were going to rent a phone with caller Id :)
Yeah..ditto with *several* exes (sure know how to pick em!)
On average it took nearly a year at a time for them to leave me be...
(It's the tactic of ignoring them....drives them absolutely potty :P)
Once upon a time an ex of mine monitored my *keystrokes* with X-Key!
Yeahhh what was he going to see?
vi project1.p for i = 1 to 10; ....
The boredom factor generated must have been extreme!
That is poetic justice for you...
A very close friend of mine once had her house broken into one night by
her ex-boyfriend and he tried to stab her to death. (Thank goodness she
was under a very thick doona!). Well, as she was being carried out of
the house to the ambulance..she was wondering "How come it's so bright
outside my house?". There were about three news crews camped out on her
front lawn sticking their lights and lenses into her face...
(They scan radio transmissions...standard modus operandi).
I told her they probably wished that she was dead..more newsworthy and
ratings grabbing that way...
Barbarella
>
> On Wed, 08 Dec 1999 15:54:56 +1100, Barbarella
> <barba...@internettrash.com> tippy-tapped in a rather suggestive
> manner:
> >is anyone's guess...
>
> over the fence and yer out?
> and you have to go get the tennis ball from the next door backyard,
> who happen to own a large scary doggy? :)
:)
You just made me think of the discussions that are going on here in
Melbourne at the moment about the possibility of playing one-day cricket
at the new Colonial Stadium (Docklands) when it's finished... it has a
retractable roof, y'see, and someone brought up the question of where
exactly Cricket Law sits on the occurrence of a fielder taking a catch
that has touched the roof and come back down again...
It was pointed out (by a Chapell brother, mayhap?) that backyard rules
are firm on this. If you take a catch from a bounce off the roof (or
the tank or the kennel or the cubbyhouse) it's out.
Personally, I think they could improve the interest value of cricket NO
END by throwing out the rule book they already use and replacing it with
backyard / beach / rubbish bin as stumps rules.
Barbarella - Can't Believe I'm Talking About Cricket Mode.
valeskah
>It was pointed out (by a Chapell brother, mayhap?) that backyard rules
>are firm on this. If you take a catch from a bounce off the roof (or
>the tank or the kennel or the cubbyhouse) it's out.
definitely.
did you guys have the "one hand one bounce" rule too?
>Personally, I think they could improve the interest value of cricket NO
>END by throwing out the rule book they already use and replacing it with
>backyard / beach / rubbish bin as stumps rules.
cos everyone knows the rules already!
:)
although, i had to exxplain the concept of 'over the fence and youre
out' to the kids i babysit last week... i dont think they'd ever
played BackYard Cricket, thus missing out on one of the ultimate
australian cultural aspects, as i told them *grin*
mor...@hiro.netizen.com.au
>More facts for your file:
>The webpage is not listed on search engines. It's a place for Deb to put
>her personal pictures for her personal friends to see.
Don, I like you. I really do.
But the above is bollocks. If it's on the web and not passworded, it's
public. That is the *reality* of the situation. It's not private, by
any stretch of the imagination.
It's like taking out a full page ad in the paper, with a proviso at the
top that says 'This is just for me and my friends - everyone else please
ignore' and then being offended when strangers say "Hey! Say those
nekkid shots of you in the paper!"
The above 'fact' is in fact total, utter bollocks. And largely
irrelevent to the discussion. I really don't know whats going on here,
but nothing I read in Greylocks post (unless I was not 'reading into
it' enough) justified the level of vehemnance in Deb's reply.
Shame we can't put this whole debate behind us....
entrippy (*sigh*)
Renee
Hobbes (hand em a real knife!)
"We are all addicted to something stranger than ourselves" - Jeff Noon
Neef
<lovele...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>Yeah..ditto with *several* exes (sure know how to pick em!)
>On average it took nearly a year at a time for them to leave me be...
>(It's the tactic of ignoring them....drives them absolutely potty :P)
>
what.....yours leave you alone???
my god....what are you doing to deserve such luck ??
>
>A very close friend of mine once had her house broken into one night by
<snip>
>ratings grabbing that way...
Mine just used to let herself in when no one else was home..
Id get home and think...."oh..someones let her in"
One other housemate would get home and say "Oh someones let her in"
The Last housemate woudl get home and think the same thing.
It wasnt untill I was asked why I kept letting my ex girlfriend in the
door that I said "me? I thought it was one of you guys that was
letting her in!!!"
Note to self..make sure when you break up with someone, you get the
key you gave them back BEFORE they get a chance to get a copy cut.
This solved a number of puzzling issues, like;
"why do all these photos keep appearing and dissapearing on my notice
board?"
"where has all the coke in the fridge gone"
"why do her housemates always ring ME when theyre looking for her"
"Hang on, Didnt I have a full bottle of beam when I left?"
Neef (shudder)
Neef
<barba...@internettrash.com> wrote:
>
>Personally, I think they could improve the interest value of cricket NO
>END by throwing out the rule book they already use and replacing it with
>backyard / beach / rubbish bin as stumps rules.
Ill agree with that, although Im also in favour of Using a Live
Handgrenade as the ball..
Then it becomes a rather twisted game of "keep things away"
The bowler would be doing his best to get the thing as far away and as
fast as possible.
The Batsman would be doing *his* best to belt the damn thing as far
away from *him* as possible, also hoping like fuck that he doesnt get
bowled out. while the fielders will be running away from the "ball" in
an effort to not be there when it lands.
The Stumpsmen would also me trying to catch the ball and throw it back
as fast as possible,
and the
This in turn would lead to several things:
A more amusing game as the batsman would be in front of the stumps for
longer,(assuming they had any kind of skill) The Fielders would
eventually be reduced to drawing straws to see who was going to
actually go get the ball to return it to the bowler if it hasnt gone
off yet.
It would lead to a gradual increase in the collective IQ of a society
as the cricketers are gradually eliminated via explosive means.
Cricket would see a surge in popularity as it became a blood sport,
there by increasing ratings, and satisfying the masses need for
violence in a internationally televised fashion.
Over a period of time it would become a rather specialised sport, with
Highly trained athletes competing against each other in bomb proof
heavily reinforced stadiums, filled with screaming people.
I would be greatly amused.
Cricket, as we know it, would eventually die out, to be buried in the
ashes of history, thus improving the quality of our society as a
whole.
You know..on the whole, I rather like this concept..
Neef (Bloodsports!)
Neef
wrote:
>:)
>
>although, i had to exxplain the concept of 'over the fence and youre
>out' to the kids i babysit last week... i dont think they'd ever
>played BackYard Cricket, thus missing out on one of the ultimate
>australian cultural aspects, as i told them *grin*
what about off the car?
what about Through the car window youre out? or Stuck on the roof so
we have to get a ladder, or a new ball you're out??
Neef (no..no I didnt used to play it )
Spikey Cat
Neef wrote in message ...> <nips>
>>
>>A very close friend of mine once had her house broken into one night by
><snip>
>>ratings grabbing that way...
>
>Mine just used to let herself in when no one else was home..
>
>Neef (shudder)
>
>I've learned- that you cannot make someone love you. All you can do, is
>stalk them and hope they panic and give in.
I can see where the inspiration for some of your sig files are coming from
now.
Melee
>"why do all these photos keep appearing and dissapearing on my notice
>board?"
>"where has all the coke in the fridge gone"
>"why do her housemates always ring ME when theyre looking for her"
But look what a sweet and beautiful friendship you gained due to said
housemates going insane looking for aforementioned psycho ex... you wouldn't
give them up for anything would you? :) Surely that makes it worth it?
<grin> <duck>
Melee
LiPsBLeeDPrEttY
Barbarella wrote:
> valeskah wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 08 Dec 1999 12:09:25 +0100, LiPsBLeeDPrEttY
> > <cha...@healey.com.au> tippy-tapped in a rather suggestive manner:
> >
> > >touche.
> > >u r well worthy of the intense dislinking i have developed for u h*yden.
> >
> > did i miss something here?
> > *blink*
>
> Yes.... "Dislinking". A process by which one snips a string of
> sausages into their individual sausage components. An "intense
> dislinking" would suggest that a great number of sausage products are
> involved.
>
> I believe Ms Lips is informing Greylock that she has prepared him a
> barbeque of family-reunion proportions.
>
> Whether or not a casual game of backyard cricket would follow this feast
> is anyone's guess...
>
> Barbarella - stumps.
>
ROFLMRAO!! that means rolling on the floor laughing my right arm off :)
i didn't use spell checker in my haste and i think u r very very funny!
*applause* and i'm not being sarcastic!!
^*^
DeB (smiling b/c of barbarella's good humour, even tho the piss was being taken
out of me - i'll be the first to laugh at my own stupidity)
Donald Halloran
> It's like taking out a full page ad in the paper, with a proviso at the
> top that says 'This is just for me and my friends - everyone else please
> ignore'
Well to be completely accurate its like taking out a 3 page ad in a
paper several million pages long, which people read in an almost totally
random order. While I don't mean to say it's "private" I think you'd
feel safe in assuming that most people wouldn't see it without being
given the exact page number to look at. Unfortunately somebody decided
to give out the page number without permission. So I wouldn't say I was
speaking utter bollocks, although I do admit that I might have been
making subtle references to male genitalia. :P
> I really don't know whats going on here,
Judging from the number of posts that have come out of this thread
regarding the actions of disgruntled ex's, you're much better off that
way :)
--
Don Halloran
LiPsBLeeDPrEttY
Greylock: Numb wrote:
> On Wed, 08 Dec 1999 12:09:25 +0100, LiPsBLeeDPrEttY <cha...@healey.com.au>
> did dance the two-step and proclaim:
>
> >touche.
>
> Fact: Your e-stalker nominated you for Goth Goose.
> Fact: You won a Goth Goose award.
> Fact: The pics are yours, from your homepage, and were presumably take with
> your consent.
> Fact: The Goth Goose award is there for all the world to see. I'd be
> surprised if I was the only one to notice you'd one.
> Fact: As I believe I said in e-mail, Markus is a decent fellow and if you
> explain that he's being used in some petty vendetta campaign I have no
> doubt he'll remove your pics.
>
he didnt.
>
> >u r well worthy of the intense dislinking i have developed for u h*yden.
>
> You can dislink me all you like. I don't mind.
> You can dislike me all you want too. I just don't see why.
>
*smiles* i'm so stupid its all pretty funny to me now.
see, when i was informed of the "e-stalker's" doings, i flipped. i thought it
was over, i wished it was over, i haven't done anything to deserve that kind of
treatment blah blah fekkin blah blah blah. (he however has prepared a list to
contradict me like can i vomit here?) it was pretty hard to deal w/. i always
have been over-sensitive and i tend to over-react and make mountains outta mole
hills in the short term, but given a bit of time i put things in perspective.
Its either a female emotions over-taking logic thing, or i'm an immature
useless 20 year old, or that being harrassed just ain't all that easy :)
the mention of 'goth goose' made me think about it when i'd just managed to
stop and i promtly erupted.
i offer you my sincerest apologies, and when morgan tells you i'm a useless
hopeless promise-breaking fuckwit, i can tell you i pretty much agree. i have
no self restraint. i shouldn't post when emotional but i always fail to
remember that. see previous paragraph lol
>
> >one 'friend' once told me everybody wants something.
>
> o/~ they'll take your money/ and never give up o/~
>
> >be it ur money, be it your respect, ur admiration, ur envy or ur hatred.
> >I hereby give it to him.
>
> Clearly I have missed something.
>
i never agreed w/ him. i believed that _i_ dont want something from *everyone*.
i now admit i do. peace, freedom and mainly - a break :)
i blamed you for mentioning something i *personally* can't cope with. thats why
i questioned wot u wanted from ppl etc... does that make sense??
>
> >Its a good general rule
>
> >hayden u seem confused as to what you want from whom.
> >it tends to change on a regular basis.
>
> Other than your hatred, what else have I asked for from you?
> Enlighten me, since you appear to know me better than I do.
>
um... ignore me i'm stupid :) i typed the quoted b.s. i take responsibility. i
regret it. too late now. take it or leave it.
its that simple.
>
> >consistency, daaaaahling.
>
> I much prefer hypocrisy.
>
yeah im pretty good at that one.
>
> >go back to ignoring my posts for fucks sake.
>
> Not sure I ever have done that.
>
really? no one ever finds anything i say worthy of reply! i think theres some
pretty substantial evidence in their minds that theyre right and i have nothing
worthwhile to say.
ya know... empty vessels etc. etc.
> >or kilfile me.
>
> I dislike killfiling acg people.
> Only the most annoying go there. To date I don't think you deserve it.
>
*scratches her head*
>
> >but dont give simon beckett credit.
>
> And he is?
>
e-stalker. lets banish that name ok? the scum being congratulated when u
recognise his achievements - ie my successful goth goosing.
>
> >treating life and all its objects w/ disdain is well and good
> >as long as it doesnt congratulate scum.
> >
> >^*^
> >DeB (sneering so hard she's developed a twitch)
>
> That happened to Billy Idol too.
>
hahaha!
>
> ----
> H*ydn
> Trapped between the tick and the tock
need a wedge?
^*^
DeB
Greylock: Numb
>I told her they probably wished that she was dead..more newsworthy and
>ratings grabbing that way...
Would you believe: yes.
We went to our union lunch today and the discussion turned to the absolute
lack on tragedies in the local area, and how useful it might be if "someone
was washed off the rocks."
Greylock: Numb
<dona...@ozemail.com.au> did dance the two-step and proclaim:
I'll get out my separators!
>The webpage is not listed on search engines. It's a place for Deb to put
>her personal pictures for her personal friends to see.
It's on the web.
It is for public consumption.
>You may believe Markus to be a decent fellow, but fact: it has been
>explained to him that the pics are being used in a petty vendetta
>campaign and he has not removed them.
I suppose it depends on how you approached him.
Next time I see him on ICQ I'll be sure to mention it to him.
Greylock: Numb
<dona...@ozemail.com.au> did dance the two-step and proclaim:
>A few more facts that may be of general interest to those who ever want
>to put anything on a web page:
>Fact: Photographs, whether artistic in nature or not, are protected by
>Australian copyright law. They may not be displayed, nor authorised for
>display without permission.
Fair use for parody clauses apply, and how they apply to sites like
gothgoose and catty goth has been debated all across usenet. To date
Internet (c) law is fairly untested.
>Fact: Defamation law applies to usenet and the internet.
In many states the truth is an absolute defense to defamation.
One would merely need to define goth goose and prove that Deb was one to be
exempt.
You are, of course, welcome to have your lawyers contact gothic.net's
lawyers and try to go through the maze of intercontinental legal red tape.
Greylock: Numb
did dance the two-step and proclaim:
>i offer you my sincerest apologies, and when morgan tells you i'm a useless
>hopeless promise-breaking fuckwit, i can tell you i pretty much agree.
<smug mode>
Apology accepted.
</smug mode>
H*ydn: Who wouldn't want to be e-stalked either.
Greylock: Numb
two-step and proclaim:
>BackYard Cricket
Oh god.
We've finally lived up to the aus. part.
Neef
wrote:
>
>I suppose it depends on how you approached him.
>Next time I see him on ICQ I'll be sure to mention it to him.
>
Yup...theres defintely something to be said for asking politely....
Neef (I ask for nothing!)
Neef
<me...@nospam-smartchat.net.au> wrote:
>
>But look what a sweet and beautiful friendship you gained due to said
>housemates going insane looking for aforementioned psycho ex... you wouldn't
>give them up for anything would you? :) Surely that makes it worth it?
><grin> <duck>
Melee my darling,
Nothing could ever ever possibly, make me consider giving up the
friendship that you have so generously and selflessly extended to me
over the years..
The mere smile I see on your face makes all the trials and
tribulations that the world could ever throw more than worth anything
you could possibly imagine ..
Neef (I can get worse you know :))
Neef
wrote:
>>
>>I've learned- that you cannot make someone love you. All you can do, is
>>stalk them and hope they panic and give in.
>
>I can see where the inspiration for some of your sig files are coming from
>now.
>
no no..the above sig file is because someone has refused to admit that
he was destined to be with me and that we're and so Im going to stalk
him untill he does, failing that. Ill kill them and have them stuffed
and mounted so I can be with them forever. :)
Neef (me..? no!)
Nile Evil Bastard
Greylock: Numb <Hydn242@hotm*il.gov> wrote:
:On Wed, 08 Dec 1999 22:58:23 +1100, Donald Halloran
:<dona...@ozemail.com.au> did dance the two-step and proclaim:
:>A few more facts that may be of general interest to those who ever want
:>to put anything on a web page:
:>Fact: Photographs, whether artistic in nature or not, are protected by
:>Australian copyright law. They may not be displayed, nor authorised for
:>display without permission.
:Fair use for parody clauses apply, and how they apply to sites like
:gothgoose and catty goth has been debated all across usenet. To date
:Internet (c) law is fairly untested.
Not really. You take a photo off someone's page, they don't like it, you
could be up for shit. Particularly in the US, where the DMCA applies.
This has been established in the Scientology Wars. The DMCA is a blunt
instrument for getting web pages taken down, which is a good reason to host
elsewhere whenever possible.
I assume the Goth Goose site is in the US. If the photo is not taken down
at the request of the photo's owner, the ISP hosting the website will be
*required* to take it down on receipt of a properly-worded DMCA notice.
Even from a non-US citizen. He is legally in the wrong as well as morally.
:You are, of course, welcome to have your lawyers contact gothic.net's
:lawyers and try to go through the maze of intercontinental legal red tape.
A private citizen can do it quite easily. The DMCA kicks in *before* the
lawyers.
--
http://netizen.com.au/ http://www.caube.org.au/
"I ... Work like nobody's watching/ Love like I don't need the money/ Dance
like you've never been hurt" (Kath [Alch0g0ff])
Donald Halloran
>
>
> In many states the truth is an absolute defense to defamation.
> One would merely need to define goth goose and prove that Deb was one to be
> exempt.
>
> lawyers and try to go through the maze of intercontinental legal red tape.
I'm not writing all this only with reference to this particular
situation, but just as general information that people might find useful
if they want to put their pictures or other works on their own pages
(information that I happened to uncover when this situation arose.)
To this specific case: yes truth is a defense, but there's no way you
could use it here. It would take me several paragraphs to write out the
explanation but it doesn't involve any legal mumbo jumbo, just some
common sense. I'm sure if you think about it you'll see what I mean. I
don't mean to sound patronising or objectionable, I'm just being lazy
:))
Anyway, I am not going to post any more on the newsgroup regarding this
specific topic... I think it's all sorted out now and I don't want to
rekindle any hostilities or misunderstandings.
--
Don Halloran
valeskah
in a rather suggestive manner:
>what about off the car?
>what about Through the car window youre out? or Stuck on the roof so
>we have to get a ladder, or a new ball you're out??
the roof was a valid one, but we didnt have the car in the backyard,
so car window wasnt usually mentioned...
through next door's back window was an immediate winning of the game
though :)
(not that we ever managed to hit that far...)
*sigh*
valeskah
tippy-tapped in a rather suggestive manner:
>Oh god.
>We've finally lived up to the aus. part.
had to happen some time.
No Worries Mate :)
Melee
>Nothing could ever ever possibly, make me consider giving up the
>friendship that you have so generously and selflessly extended to me
>over the years..
>The mere smile I see on your face makes all the trials and
>tribulations that the world could ever throw more than worth anything
>you could possibly imagine ..
>Neef (I can get worse you know :))
Oh do please go on... :)
...well, at least you gained something out of having an ex go psycho on
you..
<grin>
Melee
Melee
>>We've finally lived up to the aus. part.
>had to happen some time.
ya reckon?
Mel
Barbarella
>
>
> ROFLMRAO!! that means rolling on the floor laughing my right arm off :)
:) Glad you liked it. *thinks for a minute...* Y'know, I just can't
help but ask (and please excuse me for being so crass in asking but...)
do you ever find yourself using the expression "I'd give my right arm
for such'n'such..?"
> i didn't use spell checker in my haste and i think u r very very funny!
Hey, I don't think I've _ever_ used a spell checker on a Usenet post!
:)
> *applause* and i'm not being sarcastic!!
*curtsey*
> DeB (smiling b/c of barbarella's good humour, even tho the piss was being taken
> out of me - i'll be the first to laugh at my own stupidity)
Not so much 'taking the piss', as showing appreciation for the
serendipity of spontaneously funny mis-placing of letters. :)
Barbarella.
--
SarkyVegiPaganBiAustraPunkGothWriter
http://www.internettrash.com/users/barbarella
"Had I not been a writer, I could have been a faithful wife"
- Anais Nin.
mor...@hiro.netizen.com.au
>i offer you my sincerest apologies, and when morgan tells you i'm a useless
>no self restraint. i shouldn't post when emotional but i always fail to
>remember that. see previous paragraph lol
Whoa there nellie!
I wouldn't have said that. I actually would have said that you were a
little flammable, but inclined to listen to reason, even when filled
with invective.
More to the point, you communicate. I'm more than happy to communicate
with people who disagree with me. I don't like people who respond to my
verbosity with 'fuck off'.... So long as people are happy to explain
their position, I'm happy to debate it...
entrippy (who will repost the great ramble on the topic he wrote and
lost)
mor...@hiro.netizen.com.au
>On Thu, 9 Dec 1999 18:00:27 +1100, "Spikey Cat" <cose...@zip.com.au>
>wrote:
>
>>>
>>>I've learned- that you cannot make someone love you. All you can do, is
>>>stalk them and hope they panic and give in.
>>
>>I can see where the inspiration for some of your sig files are coming from
>>now.
>>
>no no..the above sig file is because someone has refused to admit that
>he was destined to be with me and that we're and so Im going to stalk
>him untill he does, failing that. Ill kill them and have them stuffed
>and mounted so I can be with them forever. :)
Hey man, chill. I may be moving out of ground zero, but I'm well aware
that a love like ours transcends barriers of mere geography, and that
we'll always be together, forever, couples...
George? Whos at the door george?
entrippy (milly!)
mor...@hiro.netizen.com.au
>mor...@hiro.netizen.com.au wrote:
>
>> It's like taking out a full page ad in the paper, with a proviso at the
>> top that says 'This is just for me and my friends - everyone else please
>> ignore'
>
>Well to be completely accurate its like taking out a 3 page ad in a
>paper several million pages long, which people read in an almost totally
>random order. While I don't mean to say it's "private" I think you'd
>feel safe in assuming that most people wouldn't see it without being
>given the exact page number to look at. Unfortunately somebody decided
>to give out the page number without permission. So I wouldn't say I was
>speaking utter bollocks, although I do admit that I might have been
>making subtle references to male genitalia. :P
I still debate the 'giving out the page number without permission' - If
you'd rather another analogy, it's the same as having a massive library,
with your book stashed away in the back corner. The fact that someone
references said book is not a reprehensible act.
'Gave out the URL without permission' pah. If you're not prepared for
the fact people may look at it, don't put it up, or password it. Either
is trivial. The web is a *public* forum. Don't pretend offence because
you assumed otherwise, any of many people will inform you otherwise...
entrippy (wilson)
mor...@hiro.netizen.com.au
And you shall recieve it! In abundance!
entrippy (fwank)
Donald Halloran
>
> I still debate the 'giving out the page number without permission' - If
> you'd rather another analogy, it's the same as having a massive library,
> with your book stashed away in the back corner.
Yeah thats a pretty good one... but there's still a difference: if you
were just rummaging through the library you might find the book by
accident. OTOH it is practically impossible to "accidentally" type in a
specific URL and come across the homepage of someone you know.
> 'Gave out the URL without permission' pah. If you're not prepared for
> the fact people may look at it, don't put it up, or password it.
I guess I mean a URL is as good as a password, if the site isn't
advertised on any search engines. How would you find it without knowing
the specific address?
Put it this way... in terms of exposure, there's a big difference
between an 'unlisted' home page on one hand, and a site that is
advertised on every search engine and is a member of numerous web rings
on the other. I don't disagree with your statement that the web is a
public forum, I'm just debating matters of degree.
--
Don Halloran
mor...@hiro.netizen.com.au
>mor...@hiro.netizen.com.au wrote:
>>
>> I still debate the 'giving out the page number without permission' - If
>> you'd rather another analogy, it's the same as having a massive library,
>> with your book stashed away in the back corner.
>
>Yeah thats a pretty good one... but there's still a difference: if you
>were just rummaging through the library you might find the book by
>accident. OTOH it is practically impossible to "accidentally" type in a
>specific URL and come across the homepage of someone you know.
While finding it via a random browse through a search engine is quite
likely, and is pretty much the example I was thinking of.
>> 'Gave out the URL without permission' pah. If you're not prepared for
>> the fact people may look at it, don't put it up, or password it.
>
>I guess I mean a URL is as good as a password, if the site isn't
>advertised on any search engines. How would you find it without knowing
>the specific address?
Ah. You see, the whole 'advertised on search engines' thing could be
where we're hitting the problem here. While you can happily submit a
site to various search engines, most of them web-crawl on their own -
and they'll find you whether you submit or not. Ergo, it's easy to find
things via a search engine, regardless of the page authors intent or
otherwise for publicity.
In fact, geocities pages (which it was from memory...) tend to get
archived faster than most. The actual facts of whether it got archived
at a search engine or not is largely irrelevent - it *could* have ended
up there, and could have been easily found... so the specific address is
unnecessary.
For that matter, people randomly browse geocities pages by district, and
it could have been found that way...
entrippy (whoosh)
Donald Halloran
>
> In fact, geocities pages (which it was from memory...) tend to get
> archived faster than most. The actual facts of whether it got archived
> at a search engine or not is largely irrelevent - it *could* have ended
> up there, and could have been easily found... so the specific address is
> unnecessary.
>
> For that matter, people randomly browse geocities pages by district, and
> it could have been found that way...
Sure it could have been found, but again, I'm debating the degree. In
the same way that your average (er... non goth) person walking down the
street can expect to draw less attention to themselves than the guy with
the 4 foot white beard yelling things about jesus and the end of the
world.
Yes I was near Town Hall earlier today ;)
--
Don Halloran
mor...@hiro.netizen.com.au
>
>Sure it could have been found, but again, I'm debating the degree. In
>the same way that your average (er... non goth) person walking down the
>street can expect to draw less attention to themselves than the guy with
>the 4 foot white beard yelling things about jesus and the end of the
>world.
Hey! Thats what I wanna do.
Anyone interested in a mass invasion of the speakers forum on Sundays in
Melbourne? I was thinking of going along and using my half hour to get
some of my assorted rants out - and the more the merrier, as far as I'm
concerned.
Maybe I can help to explain to people how the freemasons have taken over
the Simpsons...
entrippy (mason!)
Renee
>Sure it could have been found, but again, I'm debating the degree. In
>the same way that your average (er... non goth) person walking down the
>street can expect to draw less attention to themselves than the guy with
>the 4 foot white beard yelling things about jesus and the end of the
>world.
>Yes I was near Town Hall earlier today ;)
>
Does anyone else here think of Spider Jerusalem with this image?
Hobbes (Transmet!)
"We are all addicted to something stranger than ourselves" - Jeff Noon
Renee
>>
>>Neef (I ask for nothing!)
>
>And you shall recieve it! In abundance!
>
Hobbes (bakery rave)
DvoId
Renee wrote:
> Does anyone else here think of Spider Jerusalem with this image?
to my mind...now there's a guy who draws attention to himself.
--
DvoId | http://www.aurora.org.au/~dvoid |
"If you can't say "fuck", you can't say "Fuck the government."
--Lenny Bruce
Neef
<me...@nospam-smartchat.net.au> wrote:
>
>Oh do please go on... :)
>
>...well, at least you gained something out of having an ex go psycho on
>you..
>
My Sweet sweet darling, think of it, NOT as an ex going psycho on me,
but someone being guided by the hands of fate, to bring the two of us
together.
:)
For all the pain and the anguish I count my blessings every time I am
near you...How could I be bitter about this matter when it was
responsible for throwing the two of us together..
Neef (more! More I say!)
Neef
Is this sexist?
Nah its beer mayte!!!!!
Neef (my two stubbies worth)
I wonder what those petterns mean. Maybe its a code, or a visual representation
of flowing intellegence. Maybe its what the philosophers have been looking for
all those years..
Actually..its my screen saver...
Neef
>
> The cyborg street preacher from Jonny(sp?) Mnemonic springs
> to my mind...now there's a guy who draws attention to himself.
No..no..I just imagine morgan...at age 50...
Wild haired, Long bearded and wiht the gleam of fanatisism in his eye,
preaching his cult on the streets of whatever city hasnt thrown him
out yet..
The masses flocking to hear his words....
The question is, like all religious fanatics...GOOD fanatics...is he
going to be wearing underwear??
Neef (the right hand of dog!)
valeskah
in a rather suggestive manner:
>No..no..I just imagine morgan...at age 50...
>Wild haired, Long bearded and wiht the gleam of fanatisism in his eye,
i read that as "the gleam of fetishism in his eye"...
now which one is more likely? :)
Melee
>near you...How could I be bitter about this matter when it was
>responsible for throwing the two of us together..
Okay, that might be enough...
Even I'm going to projectile vomit if this goes on much longer.. :)
Melee
Neef
wrote:
>
>i read that as "the gleam of fetishism in his eye"...
>
It could be "fetishistically fanatical" or perhaps Fantically
fetishistic"
Neef (Fantastically fanaticall)
Greylock: Numb
>> lawyers and try to go through the maze of intercontinental legal red tape.
>
>I'm not writing all this only with reference to this particular
>situation, but just as general information that people might find useful
>if they want to put their pictures or other works on their own pages
>(information that I happened to uncover when this situation arose.)
You should post it at some point. Some people do feel hard done by the X of
the X sites.
That said, I think they're a laugh.
>To this specific case: yes truth is a defense, but there's no way you
>could use it here.
TBH that may be debatable.
> It would take me several paragraphs to write out the
>explanation but it doesn't involve any legal mumbo jumbo, just some
>common sense.
Yes, and no.
>I'm sure if you think about it you'll see what I mean. I
>don't mean to sound patronising or objectionable, I'm just being lazy
Idle hands are the devil's work. :)
>Anyway, I am not going to post any more on the newsgroup regarding this
>specific topic... I think it's all sorted out now and I don't want to
>rekindle any hostilities or misunderstandings.
Why not?
Seriously, I will talk to markus_ next time I see him.
----
H*ydn
Trapped between the tick and the tock
Donald Halloran
>
> You should post it at some point. Some people do feel hard done by the X of
> the X sites.
You're right... I'm sure the information would be useful to anyone who
wants to put anything of theirs on the web but is worried about it being
used without permission... whether pictures, or poetry, or music,
whatever. So here's some information for anyone who is interested...
A good place to start is
http://www.austlii.edu.au/do/disp.pl/au/other/unswlj/thematic/1998/vol21no2/paynter.html
Which is a case about ISPs, but it does reveal some information of
general interest. It's fairly long and not really written for easy
scanning, but it's not bad.
Some more specific information on copyright can be found (funnily
enough) in the copyright act 1968
( http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/ca1968133/s1.html )
Subsequent sections are the same url with /s2.html, /s3, /s4, etc
substituted.
The most important part is in section 13:
"For the purposes of this Act, the exclusive right to do an act in
relation to a work, an adaptation of a work or any other
subject-matter includes the exclusive right to authorize a person to do
that act in relation to that work, adaptation or other
subject-matter."
Which means that if you "own" a work, only you can use it, and only you
can authorize it to be used by anybody else for any purpose.
A "work" is defined as "literary, dramatic, musical or artistic work"
A work does not have to be of "artistic quality", as that would require
a lot of subjective decision making by art critics or some such. In
short, anything you create is yours, and you automatically own the
copyright on it. Literary works include computer programs.
(
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/ca1968133/s10.html#artistic_work
) and similar.
Putting something on the internet does not nullify this copyright.
However, after a set period, I believe it is 10 years but I'm not sure,
it becomes "public domain", both on the internet and otherwise, and can
be used freely by anybody unless you apply for a specific copyright on
it. Which might be why you get people rehashing cool 80's songs,
horribly disfiguring them, and making wads of cash out of it for
themselves.
An ISP can be held liable for copyright infringement under authorization
rights, but not broadcast rights. In a nutshell: if you own something,
it is being hosted by an ISP (ie, the ISP is not just acting as a
distributor for something hosted on a computer connected to it), and you
notify the ISP that you want it taken down, the ISP has to remove it
from their server (under Australian copyright law).
> That said, I think they're a laugh.
>
> >To this specific case: yes truth is a defense, but there's no way you
> >could use it here.
>
> TBH that may be debatable.
Well to argue truth you would be admitting liability... a "goth goose"
is not a defined term in any sense other than that proposed by the
creator... which is to make the person an object of ridicule. Hence
making someone a "goth goose" is by definition defamatory.
BTW I really don't have any problem with Markus or the site. I'd rather
argue that the nominator is responsible for the defamation, and only in
this specific case (Markus forwarded the nomination email to me and it
is obviously intended to harm, not to "make the goose reflect on
themself", which is Markus' stated intent)
Defamation, if anyone is interested, involves the following:
""The tort of defamation prevents publication which 'tends to injure the
personal, professional, trade or business reputation of an individual or
company, to expose them to ridicule or to cause people to avoid them'"
( http://www.mds.rmit.edu.au/law/node5.html )
A case has been tried on usenet defamation. Judgement went to the
plaintiff.
( http://www.mds.rmit.edu.au/law/node6.html )
So be careful when you flame, people !! ;)) hehe.
--
Don Halloran
LiPsBLeeDPrEttY
> >
> > In fact, geocities pages (which it was from memory...) tend to get
> > archived faster than most.
its a xoom page already!! try ur search engines.
you wont bloody find it.
^*^
DeB (whoa ur in sydney?)
LiPsBLeeDPrEttY
Barbarella wrote:
> LiPsBLeeDPrEttY wrote:
> >
> >
> > ROFLMRAO!! that means rolling on the floor laughing my right arm off :)
>
> :) Glad you liked it. *thinks for a minute...* Y'know, I just can't
> help but ask (and please excuse me for being so crass in asking but...)
> do you ever find yourself using the expression "I'd give my right arm
> for such'n'such..?"
>
teehee yup. n when ppl offer to give me a hand i always ask for the left one! and
when they ask for a hand i tell 'em to get fucked cuz last time they didnt give it
baq. theres soooo many gags. one of my favourites is instead of saying "pfft yeah and
pigs will fly" i say "pfft yeah and i have two arms" bwahahaha. so many ppl dont find
it funny! they just go into shock or something!
^*^
DeB (at least its challenging to tie me up)
Miasmakat Leisainny
>teehee yup. n when ppl offer to give me a hand i always ask for the left one! and
>when they ask for a hand i tell 'em to get fucked cuz last time they didnt give it
>baq. theres soooo many gags. one of my favourites is instead of saying "pfft yeah and
>pigs will fly" i say "pfft yeah and i have two arms" bwahahaha. so many ppl dont find
>it funny! they just go into shock or something!
as i read this a call came in and the 1st thing the guy said was
"can you give me a hand??"
and i had to be nice
aKt
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Nile Evil Bastard
:advertised on any search engines. How would you find it without knowing
:the specific address?
You keep using this term 'advertised on search engines'. Don't you know
that search engines *go looking* for pages? That if a page is linked to any
other page, it'll get indexed too? That search engines are almost half the
hits on my own pages? That if a search engine gets a publicly accessible
page from *any source at all* it will index it?
The first search engine was called 'Webcrawler'. Think about what that name
implies about the way it works.
:Put it this way... in terms of exposure, there's a big difference
:between an 'unlisted' home page on one hand, and a site that is
:advertised on every search engine and is a member of numerous web rings
:on the other. I don't disagree with your statement that the web is a
:public forum, I'm just debating matters of degree.
You are still completely wrong. There is no such thing as an 'unlisted'
home page as you describe it. You don't understand search engines.
[The closest you will get to an 'unlisted' page is one that has a password
on it, or one that has the relevant robots.txt file in the top level domain
of the page - you can read about the Robots Exclusion Standard somewhere or
other on altavista.com.]
--
http://netizen.com.au/ http://www.caube.org.au/
"friends of mine are solving the heroin problem by scattering small packets of
best quality powder bleach in the area." (richgoth)
Donald Halloran
>
> You are still completely wrong. There is no such thing as an 'unlisted'
> home page as you describe it. You don't understand search engines.
Yes actually I do understand search engines. I'm not going to debate
qualifications.
I didn't want this to go any further, I thought it was all done, past,
gone. And I don't want to be obnoxious and "piss fighty". Despite the
fact the tone of your post is just begging me to do so.
Let me say it again. I understand full well that there is no such thing
as an unlisted home page. Note the absense of inverted commas. I said it
was an 'unlisted' page. Note the presence of inverted commas. I also
said that I was debating matters of degree. (I forced myself not to type
degree in caps.) There is a big difference between a page that may or
may not happen to be picked up by a spider, and a page that is actively
subscribed to probably every search engine, is a member of at least one
webring, and is linked from several other people's personal home pages,
or even just pages of collections of "cool gawth links".
And while pendantic is en vogue...
Let's assume that this page was picked up by a spider, how would you
propose to find it through a search engine? A search for
"lipsbleedpretty" would certainly give you this as perhaps your one and
only hit. But how would you know to search for "lipsbleedpretty" unless
you were someone who knew that the page was put up by someone with the
alias "lipsbleedpretty"? In which case my initial point, that it is a
page for friends to see, remains completely valid.
Or you could search for "pics", and/or "these", and/or "me" and/or any
other of perhaps 50 other completely nondescript words that are on the
page Go on, see how many results that gives you.
--
Don Halloran
mor...@hiro.netizen.com.au
>On Fri, 10 Dec 1999 09:21:36 GMT, valeskah <vale...@rocketmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>i read that as "the gleam of fetishism in his eye"...
>>
>It could be "fetishistically fanatical" or perhaps Fantically
>fetishistic"
Ah say to you, my children, my brothers and sisters in latex, throw dahn
your shackles and walk free in the wilds of perversity and deviance.
Can I hear you say Halle-leather?
entrippy (kult)
mor...@hiro.netizen.com.au
>> mor...@hiro.netizen.com.au wrote:
>> >
>> > In fact, geocities pages (which it was from memory...) tend to get
>> > archived faster than most.
>
>its a xoom page already!! try ur search engines.
>you wont bloody find it.
Xoom, geocities - much of a muchness in terms of the example I was
giving. And the point I was making stands, even if it's *not* currently
archived - but NEB explained it better than I.
entrippy (crawler!)
Barbarella
>
> Barbarella wrote:
> > do you ever find yourself using the expression "I'd give my right arm
> > for such'n'such..?"
>
> when they ask for a hand i tell 'em to get fucked cuz last time they didnt give it
> baq. theres soooo many gags. one of my favourites is instead of saying "pfft yeah and
> pigs will fly" i say "pfft yeah and i have two arms" bwahahaha. so many ppl dont find
> it funny! they just go into shock or something!
Serves 'em right for not mentally endowing you with a sense of humour,
non? ;)
> ^*^
> DeB (at least its challenging to tie me up)
Well now....
*blink*
I think there's my nomination for Most Thought Provoking Sentence Of The
Newsgroup, right there...
:)
Barbarella.
--
SarkyVegiPaganBiAustraPunkGothWriter
http://www.internettrash.com/users/barbarella
"Had I not been a writer, I could have been a faithful wife"
- Anais Nin.