A.S.I.N.G.E.D. CD: What did you think of it?
J Citizen
At long last, the A.S.I.N.G.E.D. CD has had it's final launch. In 8
cities, over 600 CDs have been given away in an effort to raise
awareness about Australian artists.
Now it's time to assess the viability of doing a Volume 2 in late
2003. If you enjoyed the CD (or even just a single song on it) now is
the time to say so! Either post a message here or email me direct at
jciti...@yahoo.com. Every response increases the likelihood of
another CD and of Australia having it's own vibrant
electro-industrial-gothic-darkwave-etc music culture; which is what
the CD is about.
Some trivia: The CD cost over $4,000 to produce and distribute. I
personally devoted well over 400 hours (all unpaid of course) to the
project over the course of 18 months. Similarly, Roberto of Tankt did
the CD jacket for free.
We've received some wonderfully supportive feedback about the CD (and
the artists on it).
However, it's only a tiny fraction of responses compared to the number
of CDs sent out there. So we'd all love to hear what you think. If you
liked the CD, please let us know and in particular what you liked. I
know that a lot of the time, people who appreciate something don't go
out of their way to tell the artists. However, the cost of being shy
about stating appreciation for this project, is that if we don't get
enough responses, there'll be no more such compilations. If that's the
case, I expect it will be a huge blow to underground Australian
culture. Constructive criticism is welcome too.
cheerio,
j. citizen
allezbleu
seemed to blather :
>ASINGED CD: What did you think of it?
Dunno, i never got my copy.
a.
petrolgoth
> (J Citizen) seemed to blather :
>
> >ASINGED CD: What did you think of it?
>
> Dunno, i never got my copy.
Oh how I laughed.
--
n4cat
"The flowers in my garden grow down
Their colour is pain. Their fragrance sorrow."
Spike Milligan
allezbleu
>> (J Citizen) seemed to blather :
>>
>> >ASINGED CD: What did you think of it?
>>
>> Dunno, i never got my copy.
>
>
>Oh how I laughed.
I dont see whats so funny, TBH.
what *is* funny how australian djs, always too happy to accept free
cds, suddenly clam up when it comes to actually saying what they think
of them. similarly when new music makes it over in forms of promos,
dont play them, yet people whinge about the lack of new music.
Theres no pleasing some people.
Rant Over.
Antti
<bl...@diespamdienet-goth.com> wrote:
>what *is* funny how australian djs, always too happy to accept free
>cds, suddenly clam up when it comes to actually saying what they think
>of them. similarly when new music makes it over in forms of promos,
>dont play them, yet people whinge about the lack of new music.
Actually, I really like it. I have had it on my poota at work, and I
am about to send one to Europe, now that I finally have something I
can send in return to people who send me CDs from there. My favorite
tracks would be ELF and EYE (with Hannah), though some might think
that choice to be a touch parochial. (but unlike many compilations I
have, you can listen to it without reaching for the skip button every
other track). It's also very cool to be able to listen to tracks and
recognise them from shows you have been to.
I would definitely support further releases as an occasional thing.
>Theres no pleasing some people.
>
>Rant Over.
Antti
--
"It's the worst feeling in the world to love a song and then
discover that what they're singing about is lame" - Kristin Hersh
jarod
> >>
> >> Dunno, i never got my copy.
> >
> >
> >Oh how I laughed.
>
> I dont see whats so funny, TBH.
>
> what *is* funny how australian djs, always too happy to accept free
> cds, suddenly clam up when it comes to actually saying what they think
> of them. similarly when new music makes it over in forms of promos,
> dont play them, yet people whinge about the lack of new music.
As if it's Australian specific. Most "DJs" are DJs in name only [except
for 1 hour, once a month] and the majority of them try to source new
free music for themselves, sometimes to promote their show/club but
rarely realise how inconsequential their promoting capacity is. It is
the job of the promoting agent to assess the ability of DJs and put
together a careful plan of who and where to send promotions to.
If you want an opinion on a release, you can ask the public [and rarely
get much response, especially on your goth + industrial newsgroups
because either fashion or silly comments is the mode of conversation
rather than music] or send it to a magazine and get it reviewed [but not
played... not the subtle promotional difference].
- jarod
--
goth-industrial-electronic
GROUND UNDER PRODUCTIONS
online shop, distro + label
www.gup.net.au
GOTH NATION MAGAZINE
Issue #1 out now!
www.gothnation.gothic.net.au
petrolgoth
news:7e8ktu44k0623nmu3...@4ax.com...
> >"allezbleu" wrote
> >> (J Citizen) seemed to blather :
> >>
> >> >ASINGED CD: What did you think of it?
> >>
> >> Dunno, i never got my copy.
> >
> >
> >Oh how I laughed.
>
> I dont see whats so funny, TBH.
That's because you don't have my sense of humour.
You can be very thankful of that.
any way I thought it was ironic
> what *is* funny how australian djs, always too happy to accept free
> cds, suddenly clam up when it comes to actually saying what they think
> of them. similarly when new music makes it over in forms of promos,
> dont play them, yet people whinge about the lack of new music.
I am not a DJ!
I don't care about the music!
> Theres no pleasing some people.
You're right! Some people are bastards!
I may or may not be one of them.
> Rant Over.
That was a rant?!
allezbleu
seemed to blather :
>> >> >ASINGED CD: What did you think of it?
>> >>
>> >> Dunno, i never got my copy.
>> >
>> >
>> >Oh how I laughed.
>>
>> I dont see whats so funny, TBH.
>>
>> what *is* funny how australian djs, always too happy to accept free
>> cds, suddenly clam up when it comes to actually saying what they think
>> of them. similarly when new music makes it over in forms of promos,
>> dont play them, yet people whinge about the lack of new music.
>
>As if it's Australian specific. Most "DJs" are DJs in name only [except
>for 1 hour, once a month] and the majority of them try to source new
>free music for themselves, sometimes to promote their show/club but
>rarely realise how inconsequential their promoting capacity is. It is
>the job of the promoting agent to assess the ability of DJs and put
>together a careful plan of who and where to send promotions to.
>
I dont think that goes for revelations, if think one of the reasons it
was so popular in the first place is that it would play anything and
everything, and that went for new music too, and that was hardly
inconsequential, IMHO.
>If you want an opinion on a release, you can ask the public [and rarely
>get much response, especially on your goth + industrial newsgroups
>because either fashion or silly comments is the mode of conversation
>rather than music] or send it to a magazine and get it reviewed [but not
>played... not the subtle promotional difference].
*heh* i havent seen a fashion thread here in a while, actually. What i
do see tho is a lot of djs and a lot of threads about music (lack of
or otherwise) Perhaps a ng isnt the best place for asking for
feedback, but im not the one looking for it.
a.
>
>- jarod
allezbleu
>I may or may not be one of them.
>
>> Rant Over.
>
>That was a rant?!
while im at work and have other things to do, yes.
petrolgoth
Damn!
So what do I have to do to really piss you off?
stranger..
"petrolgoth" <n4...@SPAMTRAPyahoo.com> wrote
: I am not a DJ!
: I don't care about the music!
Then you're probably the best person for the job.
--
stranger..
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of a world gone entirely mad.." (No)
J Citizen
>
> Antti
thanks for the rant :-)
j. citizen
J Citizen
oh well. You can only buy them now - either from Jarod at
www.gup.net.au or from me-self at www.blatantpropaganda.com - $28.
J Citizen
> > what *is* funny how australian djs, always too happy to accept free
> > cds, suddenly clam up when it comes to actually saying what they think
> > of them. similarly when new music makes it over in forms of promos,
> > dont play them, yet people whinge about the lack of new music.
yep, I've noticed that in some quarters.
> If you want an opinion on a release, you can ask the public [and rarely
> get much response, especially on your goth + industrial newsgroups
> because either fashion or silly comments is the mode of conversation
> rather than music] or send it to a magazine and get it reviewed [but not
> played... not the subtle promotional difference].
I'm not after review comments. I only want to hear from people who
received the CD for free, what they thought of it ie. a short and
simple something like "yes, I like the CD, played it lots, impressed,
really like track 58" .... that would be great. So i can judge whether
400+ hours of my life, all the hassles, plus the money we all
invested, was worth it and if it'll be worth it again in the future.
Also, so Australian artists can judge if it's worth even bothering to
make music at all ie. there's no point if Australians won't even take
notice of Australian artists. We'll just continue to remain a colony
of generic Euro-American corporate fodder.
cheerio,
j. citizen
Morgan Jaffit
> I'm not after review comments. I only want to hear from people who
> received the CD for free, what they thought of it ie. a short and
> simple something like "yes, I like the CD, played it lots, impressed,
> really like track 58" .... that would be great. So i can judge whether
> 400+ hours of my life, all the hassles, plus the money we all
> invested, was worth it and if it'll be worth it again in the future.
> Also, so Australian artists can judge if it's worth even bothering to
> make music at all ie. there's no point if Australians won't even take
> notice of Australian artists. We'll just continue to remain a colony
> of generic Euro-American corporate fodder.
Yay for defining the worth of art in pure dollar/listener terms. Nice one.
Surely the "worth even bothering to make music" has more to do with whether
these people passionatly want to make music than whether anyones buying it?
Always better to have an audience, though - and it's certainly a confidence
booster,
entrippy (why do I only come here to bitch these days?)
stranger..
"Morgan Jaffit" <mor...@extro.vurt.net> wrote
: entrippy (why do I only come here to bitch these days?)
"A place for everything and everything in its place."
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stranger..
(evermore)
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of a world gone entirely mad ." (No)
petrolgoth
>
> entrippy (why do I only come here to bitch these days?)
Entertainment?
You have to bitch somewhere so it might as well be at goths?
bitching is what goths understand best?
Do I win a prize?
Sandro
news:<slrnattc4q....@extro.vurt.net>...
>In article <aa4a4707.02112...@posting.google.com>, J Citizen wrote:
<snippage>
>Yay for defining the worth of art in pure dollar/listener terms. Nice one.
I know for a fact that if it wasn't for the mountains of cocaine, acres of
teenage pussy and Swiss bank accounts chock full of money and Toblerone
that I would have given up writing a long time ago. Because the money which
refuses to stop rolling right in makes it all worthwhile. And keeps me warm
at night. And justifies the time and creative energy. Yesiree Bob!
>Surely the "worth even bothering to make music" has more to do with whether
>these people passionately want to make music than whether anyones buying it?
People are motivated by different desires. I'm sure Holly Valance, Sean Puff
Daddy P Diddy Coombs and Posh Spice are motivated by something substantially
different from let's say, John Malkovich, Jim Jarmusch, Janeane Garofalo,
Diamanda Galas or the late great Bill Hicks. They might think they have the
same ultimate objectives, but I'd bet pounds to ounces that it's an entire
world of experience separating them.
>Always better to have an audience, though - and it's certainly a confidence
>booster,
That's what I tried telling the judge when I was up for indecent exposure
charges the last time, but she didn't buy it either.
>entrippy (why do I only come here to bitch these days?)
Canadians must be too nice. You need us to bring some venom back into your
life. Come on, you know you like it like that.
Sandro - We'll look after you :P
--
Carthage Must Be Destroyed - Cato the Elder
J Citizen
> I dont think that goes for revelations, if think one of the reasons it
> was so popular in the first place is that it would play anything and
> everything, and that went for new music too, and that was hardly
> inconsequential, IMHO.
I've never been there. But i did bust my gut trying to get a respsonse
from them about if they wanted to even receive a copy of the ASINGED
CD so as they could decide to have the Melbourne ASINGED launch there
back in mid-2002. Never heard a peep back. So I *tentatively*
concluded they aren't into supporting lcoal australian artists.
>
Perhaps a ng isnt the best place for asking for
> feedback, but im not the one looking for it.
It's the only forum i can think of where people who received the CD
most likely hang out... or should i say, haunt.
j.
J Citizen
> > I'm not after review comments. I only want to hear from people who
> > received the CD for free, what they thought of it ie. a short and
> > simple something like "yes, I like the CD, played it lots, impressed,
> > really like track 58" .... that would be great. So i can judge whether
> > 400+ hours of my life, all the hassles, plus the money we all
> > invested, was worth it and if it'll be worth it again in the future.
> > Also, so Australian artists can judge if it's worth even bothering to
> > make music at all ie. there's no point if Australians won't even take
> > notice of Australian artists. We'll just continue to remain a colony
> > of generic Euro-American corporate fodder.
>
> Yay for defining the worth of art in pure dollar/listener terms. Nice one.
Well the bottom line, from a long-time artist and producer's
perspective, is it's very expensive and VERY time-consuming to release
a CD and promote it. There's no point doing it if one doesn't received
a certain threshold of support. We've received some super-enthusiastic
feedback about ASINGED but I'm still not feeling like it's quite
enough to make myself and many of the other artists feel "yes, it's
was all worth the hassles, let's do it again". Nearly there though!
but just not quite yet.
> Surely the "worth even bothering to make music" has more to do with whether
> these people passionatly want to make music than whether anyones buying it?
No, not totally. That's the kind of ideal many of us start off with
until reality starts making other demands on our time and finances.
Passion fuels the urge to make art, but taking the huge extra efforts
to get it out there and noticed by others can only last so long as you
receive enough positive feedback eg. praise, cover costs etc.
Eventually you (I) start thinking, o.k. this isn't going to pay my
bills, perhaps i should focus on other things and pay the mortgage off
etc. rather than donate lots of time and effort to art projects. Sad,
but true. Every long-term artist/musician who doesn't want to live on
the dole paying rent in grungey group-houses all their life knows
that. Ultimately, such artists retire, local culture suffers and ends
up being just a vacuum for the products of Euro-American corporations.
Myself, I'm EXTREMELY passionate about making music and about
promoting local Australian (ebm-industrialish-electro-dark-pop etc.)
music. I think you'll be very hard pressed to find anyone more
passionate about that. Who else would volunteer well over 400+ hours,
donate cash to cover budget blowouts, whilst coping with debilitating
RSI, to do all the tonnes of work to produce the free-promo ASINGED CD
(and previous low-priced comps)? No-one... shown by the fact no-one
else has done such a wide-ranging project in Australia. I wish they
would, so i could have a bit of a break ;-) Similarly, nationally,
I've yet to find another DJ bar one who has enthusiastically played so
much Australian music on their radioshows. I'm dismayed that many
Australian artists, whose work I *know* is great, become despondent
and retire cos of the lack of interest shown to them from Australian
punters & industry. The OZ music industry will probably never show
interest in artists of our (acg) preferred genres. Consequently, you
will probably never find these local-artists in more than half-a-dozen
record shops nationally. The ASINGED project was an attempt to try and
get punters and artists in direct contact... as it seems the only way
for these artists to become known and to potentially keep them going.
I know it seems an extra effort to actually contact and buy stuff from
artists directly via email, snail, or web, as opposed to going to the
record store, but... well that's the catch 22 local artists find
themselves in. We're trying to survive outside of the mainstream
corporate-controlled music industry, and it's a major struggle when
the public is conditioned to follow the corporate-controlled media
hype and distribution channels.
j.
allezbleu
seemed to blather :
<snip>
oh *wow* simply *wow*
exactly what i was thinking.
a ( trust me, youll neve rmake money from it though!)
allezbleu
seemed to blather :
>> >
>> I dont think that goes for revelations, if think one of the reasons it
>> was so popular in the first place is that it would play anything and
>> everything, and that went for new music too, and that was hardly
>> inconsequential, IMHO.
>
>I've never been there. But i did bust my gut trying to get a respsonse
>from them about if they wanted to even receive a copy of the ASINGED
>CD so as they could decide to have the Melbourne ASINGED launch there
>back in mid-2002. Never heard a peep back. So I *tentatively*
>concluded they aren't into supporting lcoal australian artists.
>
I dont agree - in their heydey at the 90th ward IIRC i remember them
putting on quite a few local acts, tankt and the redresser come to
mind.
I think given their current venue problems, etc they possibly thought
that a launch might be out of the question of maybe their djs had
already signed up for a copy.
merely hypothesising there, plus my memory is pretty hazy...
>>
> Perhaps a ng isnt the best place for asking for
>> feedback, but im not the one looking for it.
>
>It's the only forum i can think of where people who received the CD
>most likely hang out... or should i say, haunt.
>
>j.
spooky!
well ill order a cd as soon as i clear my credit card.
stranger..
"J Citizen" <jciti...@yahoo.com> wrote
[..Revelations..]
: I've never been there. But i did bust my gut trying to get a
: respsonse from them about if they wanted to even receive a
: copy of the ASINGED CD so as they could decide to have
: the Melbourne ASINGED launch there back in mid-2002.
: Never heard a peep back. So I *tentatively* concluded they
: aren't into supporting lcoal australian artists.
Was Revelations even running then? i'm pretty sure they only recently
started up again, after being MIA for a few months.
Anyway, as Allezbleu pointed out, for quite a while they were the only
Melbourne club to put on local live bands, nearly every week at the end, and
it's a bit rough to go decrying them as unwilling to support local artists
just because they didn't fall over themselves to support your cd. Smacks a
bit of "either you're with the revolution or against it" to be honest.
: It's the only forum i can think of where people who received
: the CD most likely hang out... or should i say, haunt.
Oh yeah.. i did have some feedback on ASINGED - i was planning to buy it,
with a view to hopefully playing something off it at Heresy (i try to slip
at least one local act in every time, even though it almost always clears
the floor), but by the time i got around to it i was so fucking sick of
hearing about it over and over and over again i just lost interest. Sorry,
but i'm like that. i'll probably buy it eventually, if it's still around,
once i haven't heard about it for a while. (Not trying to wind you up, btw,
just a genuine suggestion that there can be such a thing as too much
publicity - i'm sure i'm not the only one who goes off something if it's
constantly shoved down their throat).
--
stranger..
(counter evolutionary)
J Citizen
wrote:
> On 25 Nov 2002 20:50:45 -0800, jciti...@yahoo.com (J Citizen)
> seemed to blather :
> >
>
> oh *wow* simply *wow*
oh, you scathing hurtful person you, Ouch! no! NO!!! ;-P
> exactly what i was thinking.
>
> a ( trust me, youll neve rmake money from it though!)
like, der, if anyone in the country knows that from experience, it's
me (and a few others). I usually manage to just about break even on
releases, after l.o.t.s. of work, and that's a lot more than the
mosterest of artists achieve (including those on the bigger labels).
j