Mandatory ABN no's for Australian webpages

[Sekula]

To stop or at least make more accountable, this sort of criminal behaviour:

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/probe-into-mosman-school-formal-rort-20111114-1neum.html

[Sylvia Else]

On 14/11/2011 4:13 PM, Sekula wrote:
> To stop or at least make more accountable, this sort of criminal behaviour:
>
> http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/probe-into-mosman-school-formal-rort-20111114-1neum.html
>

So the ABN provided on

http://www.yourformal.com/about.php

has stopped this?

Sylvia.

[Trevor]

"Sekula" <b...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4ec0a343$0$29364$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...

> To stop or at least make more accountable, this sort of criminal
> behaviour:

How will that help? Jetstar has an ABN yet still takes your money, cancels
your flight, and refuses refunds even AFTER being told by DFT to do so! Pity
they are a toothless tiger :-(

Trevor.

[Sekula]

"Sylvia Else" wrote in message news:9ibmlh...@mid.individual.net...

So there is a law regarding disclosure of ABN's on websites?

[B J Foster]

How did you conclude that?

[David Clayton]

What!?!, the Internet has to be trusted as much as anyone else taking your
money!?! Whoda thunk it?

At least this lot now have one valuable life lesson - if they learn not to
be as stupid as most of their peers.

--
Regards, David.

David Clayton
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia.
Knowledge is a measure of how many answers you have, intelligence is a
measure of how many questions you have.

[farkya hzalle]

On Nov 14, 3:13 pm, "Sekula" <b...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> To stop or at least make more accountable, this sort of criminal behaviour:
>

> http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/probe-into-mosman-school-formal-rort-201111...

So the web site ripped off a whole bunch of people? You're a shit
plated fuckwit.

[Sekula]

"B J Foster" wrote in message news:j9qeni$t3e$1...@bjf.motzarella.org...

I'm asking a question did you see that funny symbol at the end of the
sentence that looks a LOT like this "?" ?

[Sekula]

"farkya hzalle" wrote in message
news:2a1fe6b6-d9fd-468a...@s35g2000pra.googlegroups.com...

You must be one of those thieving pricks then?

[Rob]

I think to have an Australian registered domain name .com.au, .net.au,
and even .org.au you must have a registered company or ABN .org.au has
to have an organisation registration number.


This web site if you notice is not Australian register but just a dot
com site.

I'm not in favor of using an company operating in Australia that is not
registered here.
........................................................................

Oh BTW

http://www.abr.business.gov.au/SearchByAbn.aspx?SearchText=88396065224+

which is the lookup on this ABN number -interesting!@

[Sylvia Else]

Well spotted. For good measure, the company whose name is given is in
the process of being struck off.

http://www2.search.asic.gov.au/cgi-bin/gns030c?acn=139_087_979&juris=9&hdtext=ACN&srchsrc=1

On offence against

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/antsbna1999470/s23.html

subsection (1) appears to have been committed, which is good for up to
two years in prison.

Sylvia

[farkya hzalle]

On Nov 14, 7:41 pm, Rob <mesam...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 14/11/2011 6:07 PM, B J Foster wrote:
>
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> > On 14/11/2011 5:40 PM, Sekula wrote:
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> >> "Sylvia Else" wrote in messagenews:9ibmlh...@mid.individual.net...

>
> >> On 14/11/2011 4:13 PM, Sekula wrote:
> >>> To stop or at least make more accountable, this sort of criminal
> >>> behaviour:
>

> >>>http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/probe-into-mosman-school-formal-rort-201111...

>
> >> So the ABN provided on
>
> >>http://www.yourformal.com/about.php
>
> >> has stopped this?
>
> >> Sylvia.
>
> >> So there is a law regarding disclosure of ABN's on websites?
>
> > How did you conclude that?
>
> I think to have an Australian registered domain name .com.au, .net.au,
> and even .org.au you must have a registered company or ABN

Bullshit.

 .org.au has
> to have an organisation registration number.

More bullshit.

>
> This web site if you notice is not Australian register but just a dot
> com site.

So?
>

[farkya hzalle]

Can't address the issue, can you, shit for brains.

[Rob]

Can you cite where you have that information from just to prove I'm wrong.

Don't just say its BS. That proves nothing, it says you know nothing.

[atec77]

run it through whois

[Rob]

I don't have to. Applied a few times now setting up web sites.

".com.au, .net.au, .org.au

To register one of these domain names you will need an ABN, an ACN, an
Incorporated Association Number or your registered business's
identification number."

http://www.domainhostingshop.com.au/australian-domain-name-requirements/.

[atec77]

Not anymore although it used to be

[Rob]

still is

[B J Foster]

Could you relay that info to the schoolgirls?

Mr 'KAPOOR' might think it worthwhile to hand *back* several x $300
rather than spend two years in prison.

[Addinall]

Still is. Moreso. Getting very Nazi about it these days.

Mark Addinall.

[Addinall]

On Nov 14, 8:52 pm, farkya hzalle <faryahza...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> On Nov 14, 7:41 pm, Rob <mesam...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 14/11/2011 6:07 PM, B J Foster wrote:
>
> > > On 14/11/2011 5:40 PM, Sekula wrote:
>
> > >> "Sylvia Else" wrote in messagenews:9ibmlh...@mid.individual.net...
>
> > >> On 14/11/2011 4:13 PM, Sekula wrote:
> > >>> To stop or at least make more accountable, this sort of criminal
> > >>> behaviour:
>
> > >>>http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/probe-into-mosman-school-formal-rort-201111...
>
> > >> So the ABN provided on
>
> > >>http://www.yourformal.com/about.php
>
> > >> has stopped this?
>
> > >> Sylvia.
>
> > >> So there is a law regarding disclosure of ABN's on websites?
>
> > > How did you conclude that?
>
> > I think to have an Australian registered domain name .com.au, .net.au,
> > and even .org.au you must have a registered company or ABN

"Requirements:
The .com.au domains can only be registered if you hold an ABN, ACN or
Registered Business Name. The domain name should be an exact match,
acronym or abbreviation of the domain name sought or is a close and
substantial connection to the legal identity"

>
> Bullshit.
>
>   .org.au has
>
> > to have an organisation registration number.
>
> More bullshit.

".org.au
$36.00
2 years
A charity operating in Australia, as defined in the registrant’s
constitution or other documents of incorporation; or a non-profit
organisation operating in Australia, as defined in the registrant’s
constitution or other documents of incorporation.
.id.au
$36.00
2 years For individuals who are Australian citizens or residents. It
is the only domain name that does not require the Registrant (domain
name licensees) to be a commercial entity.
The id.au domain name must be exactly match of the registrant's
personal name
or be an acronym or abbreviation of the registrant? personal name;
or be otherwise closely and substantially connected to the registrant,
because the domain name:
(i) is derived from one or more words of the registrant's personal
name; or
(ii) includes one or more words of the registrant's personal name.
(names subject to availability - pre payment required - non refundable
on successful registration).
.asn.au
$36.00
2 years For incorporated associations, political parties, trade
unions, sporting and special interest clubs.
(names subject to availability - pre payment required - non refundable
on successful registration).
.edu.au The only registrar is http://www.domainname.edu.au/ "

HTH.

Mark Addinall.

>
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> > This web site if you notice is not Australian register but just a dot
> > com site.
>
> So?
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[Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax]

On 14/11/2011 8:41 PM, Rob wrote:

Why do you think so many choose NOT to use a .au domain? Who wants to be
controlled on the web by nanny state leftard control freaks? You even
pay a bit more for the .au IIRC, for the privilege of them imposing
rules on you. LOL!

--
"If we cut emissions today, global temperatures are not likely to drop
for about a thousand years. "
-- Tim (it ain't a gonna rain no more) Flannery
- Australian Climate Commissar

[terryc]

Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax wrote:

> Why do you think so many choose NOT to use a .au domain? Who wants to be
> controlled on the web by nanny state leftard control freaks? You even
> pay a bit more for the .au IIRC, for the privilege of them imposing
> rules on you. LOL!

And showing to the world that they are dealing with a legitimate
australian business rather than some fly by night scammer.

[Addinall]

Ah, you have a scam up your portal.

Possesing an ABN no way legitimises an organisation.
It means they will get pestered with BAS statements.
That's all.

Mark Addinall.

[Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax]

If the world were interested.

[atec77]

It can is oft done , rail as you wish but I tell the truth on this one

[atec77]

It can be done via other means , having an abn as you well know means
little and the registration of other domains usually bypasses by visual
trickory

[atec77]

Having an abn or acn meaning nothing , certainly nothing legitimate
about having one and $12.00 gets a company rego based on what ever you
wish to supply online with a very light check

[terryc]

Addinall wrote:

> Possesing an ABN no way legitimises an organisation.
> It means they will get pestered with BAS statements.
> That's all.

Only quarterly

[terryc]

Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax wrote:

> If the world were interested.

Thankfully not. YMMV.
>

[Sekula]

"terryc" wrote in message news:j9s8fh$bqr$1...@dont-email.me...

It also means you have the real name and address of the fuckwit trying to
screw you over.

[atec77]

not at all , only the names of the company and information presented
when the acn was obtained , and dead easy to make redundent as you know
The only safe way is if you can touch them when exacting retribution
(to a point)

[Trevor]

"Rob" <mesa...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:4ec0...@dnews.tpgi.com.au...

> On 14/11/2011 9:52 PM, farkya hzalle wrote:
> Can you cite where you have that information from just to prove I'm wrong.

Surely YOUR cite would help too, right?

> Don't just say its BS. That proves nothing, it says you know nothing.

And demanding cites from others while not providing any of your own simply
proves you know nothing, especially since he is right.

Trevor.

[Trevor]

"terryc" <newsnine...@woa.com.au> wrote in message
news:j9rb1p$1kq$1...@dont-email.me...

> And showing to the world that they are dealing with a legitimate
> australian business rather than some fly by night scammer.

Or perhaps a legitimate Australian "lucky if you fly at all" scammer like
Jetstar! :-)

Trevor.

[keithr]

Leftards? ROFL the auDA which sets the rules was endorsed by the federal
government in 2000. If memory serves me correct wasn't little johnny
running the show then? Or is he a nanny state leftard too?

http://www.auda.org.au/pdf/auda-govt-endorse.pdf

[Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax]

Mostly leftard. If they ever managed to monopolize the internet through
the NBN, You'd see Conboy's dormant filter spring into action and we
would see how Greens-Labor could do no wrong and how not a single
scientific paper casting doubt on AGW theory existed. 1984 Ministry of
Truth - a little late, but far more insidious than Orwell could have
envisaged.

[terryc]

Hmm, FWIH that was about the date that it started to become hard to get
research funding unless you were chasing GW signs.

[Sylvia Else]

They're not alternatives.

Sylvia.

[keithr]

All totally irrelevant to the topic at hand. Anyway if the NBN and
Conroy's possible filter are a worry to you, having a domain other than
.au is not going to make the slightest difference.

[David Clayton]

That's right, there has been no scientific study anywhere since then that
wasn't to do with "GW".

Apart from the vital research into "Tin Hats", which too many people in
this country seem to need otherwise the "Gummint" will read their minds
and sell the contents to the "World Gummint" that is apparently coming to
take over all our lives.

Have these newsgroups all really turned into aus.nutjobs?

--
Regards, David.

David Clayton
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia.
Knowledge is a measure of how many answers you have, intelligence is a
measure of how many questions you have.

[Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax]

Equally irrelevant to the topic, but of relevance to the leftard nanny/
control state ideal.

[Zappy]

On Nov 14, 4:33 pm, "Trevor" <tre...@home.net> wrote:
> "Sekula" <b...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:4ec0a343$0$29364$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...

>
> > To stop or at least make more accountable, this sort of criminal
> > behaviour:
>

> How will that help? Jetstar has an ABN yet still takes your money, cancels
> your flight, and refuses refunds even AFTER being told by DFT to do so! Pity
> they are a toothless tiger :-(
>
> Trevor.

What does the department of foreign affairs and trade have to do with
Jetstar?

[atec77]

They both have a high handed unproductive atitude

[keithr]

Irrelevant to your random prattling, but relevant to the original topic.

[Zappy]

I have an ABN. I don't have BAS. I

[Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax]

Incorrect. Topic has diverged. Do try to keep up FFS.

[terryc]

David Clayton wrote:

> Have these newsgroups all really turned into aus.nutjobs?

Well you certainly seem to be an expert there.
>

[keithr]

Only in your tiny one track mind, try and concentrate.

[Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax]

Try to expand your capabilities to encompass the broader scope of the
discussion, as it evolves.

[keithr]

An interesting comment coming as it does from somebody who only ever
espouses one opinion.

You'd better get off now though, its time for Alan Jones to tell you
what to think.

[Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax]

Is it really? We never hear of him in Melbourne, but it's not surprising
your espoused knowledge doesn't extend that far.

[keithr]

The only good thing to come out of Melbourne is the Hume Highway. I had
to spend some time there in the 70s and 80s, I've never seen any good
reason to go back.

[John Tserkezis]

Rob wrote:

> This web site if you notice is not Australian register but just a dot
> com site.

> I'm not in favor of using an company operating in Australia that is not
> registered here.

Not only is this entirely irrelevant, yourformal.com.au points to a
similar page.
Numbers are the same, but the .au page appears more refined.

But yes, the ABN lookup is certainly dodgy. Cancelled in 2006, but
still quoting the number on their web pages (Something in legislation
for that isn't there?).
--
I've been seduced by the chocolate side of the force.

[SG1]

"keithr" <ke...@nowhere.com.au> wrote in message
news:4ec46f9e$1...@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
Big snip

> The only good thing to come out of Melbourne is the Hume Highway. I had to
> spend some time there in the 70s and 80s, I've never seen any good reason
> to go back.

I spent time in Sinney in the 60s and you are right the Hume Highway is the
best thing to come out of Sydney.

[Trevor]

"Zappy" <kvr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ceedad0a-44fd-4118...@g27g2000pre.googlegroups.com...

> How will that help? Jetstar has an ABN yet still takes your money, cancels
> your flight, and refuses refunds even AFTER being told by DFT to do so!
> Pity
> they are a toothless tiger :-(

}What does the department of foreign affairs and trade have to do with
}Jetstar?

DFT, (or is it OFT?), *not* DFAT.

Trevor.