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felix_unger
Sep 18, 2012, 9:55:15 PM9/18/12
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Jeff Kennett was on talkback radio recently extolling the virtues of
Japanese society. Discipline and order were evident in all aspects, he
said. He mentioned how spotlessly clean the streets were. That people
were well dressed, well behaved, respectful, and well mannered. Drivers
were courteous- there was no road rage. The transport system was
efficient and timely. It is a safe and pleasant place to be, he said.
Well Melbourne was like that once too. But what Mr. Kennett failed to
mention however, is that Japan has had a continuing advantage that we no
longer have... it is a Uni-cultural society.
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jg
Sep 18, 2012, 10:28:09 PM9/18/12
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On 19/09/2012 9:55 AM, felix_unger wrote:
>
> Jeff Kennett was on talkback radio recently extolling the virtues of
> Japanese society. Discipline and order were evident in all aspects, he
> said. He mentioned how spotlessly clean the streets were. That people
> were well dressed, well behaved, respectful, and well mannered. Drivers
> were courteous- there was no road rage. The transport system was
> efficient and timely. It is a safe and pleasant place to be, he said.
> Well Melbourne was like that once too. But what Mr. Kennett failed to
> mention however, is that Japan has had a continuing advantage that we no
> longer have... it is a Uni-cultural society.
>
They also have a debt 200% of GDP and great retirement & unemployment
>
> Jeff Kennett was on talkback radio recently extolling the virtues of
> Japanese society. Discipline and order were evident in all aspects, he
> said. He mentioned how spotlessly clean the streets were. That people
> were well dressed, well behaved, respectful, and well mannered. Drivers
> were courteous- there was no road rage. The transport system was
> efficient and timely. It is a safe and pleasant place to be, he said.
> Well Melbourne was like that once too. But what Mr. Kennett failed to
> mention however, is that Japan has had a continuing advantage that we no
> longer have... it is a Uni-cultural society.
>
plans (or used to). In many ways the antithesis of what Kennett achieved
as a politician. He might have used Japan as part of his 'or else' argument.
felix_unger
Sep 18, 2012, 10:30:35 PM9/18/12
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miss Piggy and John Cant. That's why he had to sell everything.
jg
Sep 18, 2012, 11:19:55 PM9/18/12
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On 19/09/2012 10:30 AM, felix_unger wrote:
> On 19-September-2012 12:28 PM, jg wrote:
>> On 19/09/2012 9:55 AM, felix_unger wrote:
>>>
>>> Jeff Kennett was on talkback radio recently extolling the virtues of
>>> Japanese society. Discipline and order were evident in all aspects, he
>>> said. He mentioned how spotlessly clean the streets were. That people
>>> were well dressed, well behaved, respectful, and well mannered. Drivers
>>> were courteous- there was no road rage. The transport system was
>>> efficient and timely. It is a safe and pleasant place to be, he said.
>>> Well Melbourne was like that once too. But what Mr. Kennett failed to
>>> mention however, is that Japan has had a continuing advantage that we no
>>> longer have... it is a Uni-cultural society.
>>>
>>
>> They also have a debt 200% of GDP and great retirement & unemployment
>> plans (or used to). In many ways the antithesis of what Kennett
>> achieved as a politician. He might have used Japan as part of his 'or
>> else' argument.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Kennett inherited a State of the verge of bankruptcy, thanks to little
> miss Piggy and John Cant. That's why he had to sell everything.
>
Why wouldn't he say the same about Japan?
> On 19-September-2012 12:28 PM, jg wrote:
>> On 19/09/2012 9:55 AM, felix_unger wrote:
>>>
>>> Jeff Kennett was on talkback radio recently extolling the virtues of
>>> Japanese society. Discipline and order were evident in all aspects, he
>>> said. He mentioned how spotlessly clean the streets were. That people
>>> were well dressed, well behaved, respectful, and well mannered. Drivers
>>> were courteous- there was no road rage. The transport system was
>>> efficient and timely. It is a safe and pleasant place to be, he said.
>>> Well Melbourne was like that once too. But what Mr. Kennett failed to
>>> mention however, is that Japan has had a continuing advantage that we no
>>> longer have... it is a Uni-cultural society.
>>>
>>
>> They also have a debt 200% of GDP and great retirement & unemployment
>> plans (or used to). In many ways the antithesis of what Kennett
>> achieved as a politician. He might have used Japan as part of his 'or
>> else' argument.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Kennett inherited a State of the verge of bankruptcy, thanks to little
> miss Piggy and John Cant. That's why he had to sell everything.
>
SG1
Sep 18, 2012, 11:22:15 PM9/18/12
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"jg" <j...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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>
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jg
Sep 18, 2012, 11:38:44 PM9/18/12
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ALP Ineptocracy
Sep 19, 2012, 12:47:23 AM9/19/12
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On 19/09/2012 11:55 AM, felix_unger wrote:
>
> Jeff Kennett was on talkback radio recently extolling the virtues of
> Japanese society. Discipline and order were evident in all aspects, he
> said. He mentioned how spotlessly clean the streets were. That people
> were well dressed, well behaved, respectful, and well mannered. Drivers
> were courteous- there was no road rage. The transport system was
> efficient and timely. It is a safe and pleasant place to be, he said.
> Well Melbourne was like that once too. But what Mr. Kennett failed to
> mention however, is that Japan has had a continuing advantage that we no
> longer have... it is a Uni-cultural society.
>
Multi-cultural societies can be that way too. It is just one or two
>
> Jeff Kennett was on talkback radio recently extolling the virtues of
> Japanese society. Discipline and order were evident in all aspects, he
> said. He mentioned how spotlessly clean the streets were. That people
> were well dressed, well behaved, respectful, and well mannered. Drivers
> were courteous- there was no road rage. The transport system was
> efficient and timely. It is a safe and pleasant place to be, he said.
> Well Melbourne was like that once too. But what Mr. Kennett failed to
> mention however, is that Japan has had a continuing advantage that we no
> longer have... it is a Uni-cultural society.
>
cultures that are dissonant - and it is not the cultures themselves so
much as the pandering to them.
Intolerance of intolerance would go a long way to restoring the peace.
Leftists are happy to lecture to WASPs/WASCs but not to other cultures,
e.g. those which treat women as objects.
Imagine SHY lecturing *these* friends...
http://sheikyermami.com/wp-content/uploads/989548-greens-senator1.jpg
...about *this* 'bigotry'...
http://www.jta.org/news/article/2012/08/24/3104936/hamas-top-official-kill-every-last-jew-and-american
--
Julia Gillard...
"...we're working to make sure Aussies get jobs first"
Bob Milutinovic
Sep 19, 2012, 1:12:09 AM9/19/12
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"jg" <j...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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which is already bad [politics] and makes it worse), Kennett falls into a
very rare breed of politicians with actual balls, alongside Keating and
Whitlam.
It takes a lot for someone to maintain the strength required to do what
needs to be done, rather than flailing in the breeze of political
correctness.
Whilst an Abbott government is as far from desirable as would be an Idi Amin
government, if Kennett was to take on the Federal Liberal lead, I'd vote for
him in an instant (as I would for Keating; Whitlam's unfortunately a bit
past it).
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Cognicom
Rod Speed
Sep 19, 2012, 1:39:57 AM9/19/12
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felix_unger <m...@nothere.com> wrote
> Jeff Kennett was on talkback radio recently extolling the virtues of
> Japanese society.
Pity about the downsides.
> Discipline and order were evident in all aspects, he said.
He's just plain wrong there, most obviously with the Yakusa.
> He mentioned how spotlessly clean the streets were.
That�s overstated too. Have a look at the streets in the
areas that were wiped out by the tsunami sometime.
> That people were well dressed, well behaved, respectful, and well
> mannered.
Plenty aren't. They have their criminals too.
> Drivers were courteous- there was no road rage.
That�s another lie.
> The transport system was efficient and timely.
And they use pushers to shove people into the trains at times.
> It is a safe and pleasant place to be, he said.
It wasn�t in the runup to the war they started.
> Well Melbourne was like that once too.
Like hell it was.
> But what Mr. Kennett failed to mention however, is that Japan has had a
> continuing advantage that we no longer have... it is a Uni-cultural
> society.
Like hell it is. They just have a lot fewer of the minoritys
than most other places do and most foreigners can't
even work out who the minoritys are.
> Jeff Kennett was on talkback radio recently extolling the virtues of
> Japanese society.
> Discipline and order were evident in all aspects, he said.
> He mentioned how spotlessly clean the streets were.
areas that were wiped out by the tsunami sometime.
> That people were well dressed, well behaved, respectful, and well
> mannered.
> Drivers were courteous- there was no road rage.
> The transport system was efficient and timely.
> It is a safe and pleasant place to be, he said.
> Well Melbourne was like that once too.
> But what Mr. Kennett failed to mention however, is that Japan has had a
> continuing advantage that we no longer have... it is a Uni-cultural
> society.
than most other places do and most foreigners can't
even work out who the minoritys are.
Rod Speed
Sep 19, 2012, 1:46:54 AM9/19/12
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ALP Ineptocracy <gmsme...@carbon.tax.is.ineffective> wrote
good a result on the stuff he listed as the Japs do.
> It is just one or two cultures that are dissonant
Even sillier.
> - and it is not the cultures themselves so much as the pandering to them.
Even sillier.
> Intolerance of intolerance would go a long way to restoring the peace.
Even sillier.
> Leftists are happy to lecture to WASPs/WASCs but not to other cultures,
> e.g. those which treat women as objects.
Even sillier.
> felix_unger wrote
>> Jeff Kennett was on talkback radio recently extolling the virtues of
>> Japanese society. Discipline and order were evident in all aspects, he
>> said. He mentioned how spotlessly clean the streets were. That people
>> were well dressed, well behaved, respectful, and well mannered. Drivers
>> were courteous- there was no road rage. The transport system was
>> efficient and timely. It is a safe and pleasant place to be, he said.
>> Well Melbourne was like that once too. But what Mr. Kennett failed to
>> mention however, is that Japan has had a continuing advantage that we no
>> longer have... it is a Uni-cultural society.
> Multi-cultural societies can be that way too.
Have fun listing even a single one that gets as
>> Jeff Kennett was on talkback radio recently extolling the virtues of
>> Japanese society. Discipline and order were evident in all aspects, he
>> said. He mentioned how spotlessly clean the streets were. That people
>> were well dressed, well behaved, respectful, and well mannered. Drivers
>> were courteous- there was no road rage. The transport system was
>> efficient and timely. It is a safe and pleasant place to be, he said.
>> Well Melbourne was like that once too. But what Mr. Kennett failed to
>> mention however, is that Japan has had a continuing advantage that we no
>> longer have... it is a Uni-cultural society.
> Multi-cultural societies can be that way too.
good a result on the stuff he listed as the Japs do.
> It is just one or two cultures that are dissonant
> - and it is not the cultures themselves so much as the pandering to them.
> Intolerance of intolerance would go a long way to restoring the peace.
> Leftists are happy to lecture to WASPs/WASCs but not to other cultures,
> e.g. those which treat women as objects.
Trevor
Sep 19, 2012, 2:20:51 AM9/19/12
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"felix_unger" <m...@nothere.com> wrote in message
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> On 19-September-2012 12:28 PM, jg wrote:
>> On 19/09/2012 9:55 AM, felix_unger wrote:
>>> Jeff Kennett was on talkback radio recently extolling the virtues of
>>> Japanese society. Discipline and order were evident in all aspects, he
>>> said. He mentioned how spotlessly clean the streets were. That people
>>> were well dressed, well behaved, respectful, and well mannered. Drivers
>>> were courteous- there was no road rage. The transport system was
>>> efficient and timely. It is a safe and pleasant place to be, he said.
>>> Well Melbourne was like that once too. But what Mr. Kennett failed to
>>> mention however, is that Japan has had a continuing advantage that we no
>>> longer have... it is a Uni-cultural society.
>>>
>>
>> They also have a debt 200% of GDP and great retirement & unemployment
>> plans (or used to). In many ways the antithesis of what Kennett achieved
>> as a politician. He might have used Japan as part of his 'or else'
>> argument.
>
> Kennett inherited a State of the verge of bankruptcy, thanks to little
> miss Piggy and John Cant. That's why he had to sell everything.
He inherited a debt far less than Japan.
>> On 19/09/2012 9:55 AM, felix_unger wrote:
>>> Jeff Kennett was on talkback radio recently extolling the virtues of
>>> Japanese society. Discipline and order were evident in all aspects, he
>>> said. He mentioned how spotlessly clean the streets were. That people
>>> were well dressed, well behaved, respectful, and well mannered. Drivers
>>> were courteous- there was no road rage. The transport system was
>>> efficient and timely. It is a safe and pleasant place to be, he said.
>>> Well Melbourne was like that once too. But what Mr. Kennett failed to
>>> mention however, is that Japan has had a continuing advantage that we no
>>> longer have... it is a Uni-cultural society.
>>>
>>
>> They also have a debt 200% of GDP and great retirement & unemployment
>> plans (or used to). In many ways the antithesis of what Kennett achieved
>> as a politician. He might have used Japan as part of his 'or else'
>> argument.
>
> Kennett inherited a State of the verge of bankruptcy, thanks to little
> miss Piggy and John Cant. That's why he had to sell everything.
And selling public transport only *increased* the government expenditure,
just as selling Telstra turned out to be a loss in the long term for the
federal government :-(
And selling the SEC was simply the same as increasing taxation of course as
far as consumers were concerned. :-(
And sacking nurses increased the cost enormously when they had to pay
contract nurses even more :-(
Still no politician ever lets facts get in the way of their own
preconceptions.
Trevor.
Gettamulla Tupya
Sep 19, 2012, 2:54:40 AM9/19/12
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On Wed, 19 Sep 2012 14:47:23 +1000, ALP Ineptocracy
<gmsme...@carbon.tax.is.ineffective> wrote:
> Multi-cultural societies can be that way too. It is just one or two
> cultures that are dissonant - and it is not the cultures themselves so
> much as the pandering to them.
You are a cretin. Multiculturalism never works. Anywhere.
<gmsme...@carbon.tax.is.ineffective> wrote:
> Multi-cultural societies can be that way too. It is just one or two
> cultures that are dissonant - and it is not the cultures themselves so
> much as the pandering to them.
Gettamulla Tupya
Sep 19, 2012, 2:55:51 AM9/19/12
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On Wed, 19 Sep 2012 11:55:15 +1000, felix_unger <m...@nothere.com> wrote:
>
> Jeff Kennett was on talkback radio recently extolling the virtues of
> Japanese society. Discipline and order were evident in all aspects, he
> said. He mentioned how spotlessly clean the streets were. That people
> were well dressed, well behaved, respectful, and well mannered. Drivers
> were courteous- there was no road rage. The transport system was
> efficient and timely. It is a safe and pleasant place to be, he said.
> Well Melbourne was like that once too. But what Mr. Kennett failed to
> mention however, is that Japan has had a continuing advantage that we no
> longer have... it is a Uni-cultural society.
I love Japan. I'd buy a house and move there but the cunts won't let me because I am not
>
> Jeff Kennett was on talkback radio recently extolling the virtues of
> Japanese society. Discipline and order were evident in all aspects, he
> said. He mentioned how spotlessly clean the streets were. That people
> were well dressed, well behaved, respectful, and well mannered. Drivers
> were courteous- there was no road rage. The transport system was
> efficient and timely. It is a safe and pleasant place to be, he said.
> Well Melbourne was like that once too. But what Mr. Kennett failed to
> mention however, is that Japan has had a continuing advantage that we no
> longer have... it is a Uni-cultural society.
Japanese.
Rod Speed
Sep 19, 2012, 3:00:49 AM9/19/12
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Trevor <tre...@home.net> wrote
> felix_unger <m...@nothere.com> wrote
>> jg wrote
> And selling public transport only *increased* the government expenditure,
Even sillier.
> just as selling Telstra turned out to be a loss in the long term for the
> federal government :-(
Even sillier.
> And selling the SEC was simply the same as increasing taxation of course
> as far as consumers were concerned. :-(
Even sillier.
> And sacking nurses increased the cost enormously when they had to pay
> contract nurses even more :-(
Even sillier.
> Still no politician ever lets facts get in the way of their own
> preconceptions.
And their arse lickers in spades.
> felix_unger <m...@nothere.com> wrote
>> jg wrote
>>> felix_unger wrote
>>>> Jeff Kennett was on talkback radio recently extolling the virtues of
>>>> Japanese society. Discipline and order were evident in all aspects, he
>>>> said. He mentioned how spotlessly clean the streets were. That people
>>>> were well dressed, well behaved, respectful, and well mannered. Drivers
>>>> were courteous- there was no road rage. The transport system was
>>>> efficient and timely. It is a safe and pleasant place to be, he said.
>>>> Well Melbourne was like that once too. But what Mr. Kennett failed to
>>>> mention however, is that Japan has had a continuing advantage that we
>>>> no
>>>> longer have... it is a Uni-cultural society.
>>> They also have a debt 200% of GDP and great retirement & unemployment
>>> plans (or used to). In many ways the antithesis of what Kennett achieved
>>> as a politician. He might have used Japan as part of his 'or else'
>>> argument.
>> Kennett inherited a State of the verge of bankruptcy, thanks to little
>> miss Piggy and John Cant. That's why he had to sell everything.
> He inherited a debt far less than Japan.
But the state was much smaller than Japan.
>>>> Jeff Kennett was on talkback radio recently extolling the virtues of
>>>> Japanese society. Discipline and order were evident in all aspects, he
>>>> said. He mentioned how spotlessly clean the streets were. That people
>>>> were well dressed, well behaved, respectful, and well mannered. Drivers
>>>> were courteous- there was no road rage. The transport system was
>>>> efficient and timely. It is a safe and pleasant place to be, he said.
>>>> Well Melbourne was like that once too. But what Mr. Kennett failed to
>>>> mention however, is that Japan has had a continuing advantage that we
>>>> no
>>>> longer have... it is a Uni-cultural society.
>>> They also have a debt 200% of GDP and great retirement & unemployment
>>> plans (or used to). In many ways the antithesis of what Kennett achieved
>>> as a politician. He might have used Japan as part of his 'or else'
>>> argument.
>> Kennett inherited a State of the verge of bankruptcy, thanks to little
>> miss Piggy and John Cant. That's why he had to sell everything.
> He inherited a debt far less than Japan.
> And selling public transport only *increased* the government expenditure,
> just as selling Telstra turned out to be a loss in the long term for the
> federal government :-(
> And selling the SEC was simply the same as increasing taxation of course
> as far as consumers were concerned. :-(
> And sacking nurses increased the cost enormously when they had to pay
> contract nurses even more :-(
> Still no politician ever lets facts get in the way of their own
> preconceptions.
jg
Sep 19, 2012, 3:09:39 AM9/19/12
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them. It could be that a Kennett is exactly what Japan needs, but when
he mistakes that need for utopia it reminds that pigs have big balls too.
ALP Ineptocracy
Sep 19, 2012, 3:24:15 AM9/19/12
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On 19/09/2012 3:46 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
> Even sillier.
> Even sillier.
> Even sillier.
> Even sillier.
>
Quite
> Even sillier.
> Even sillier.
> Even sillier.
> Even sillier.
>
Quite
Fred Nurk
Sep 19, 2012, 3:57:38 AM9/19/12
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On Wed, 19 Sep 2012 15:46:54 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
wo cultures that are dissonant
>
>Even sillier.
>
>> - and it is not the cultures themselves so much as the pandering to them.
>
>Even sillier.
>
>> Intolerance of intolerance would go a long way to restoring the peace.
>
>Even sillier.
>
>> Leftists are happy to lecture to WASPs/WASCs but not to other cultures,
>> e.g. those which treat women as objects.
>
>Even sillier.
Yawn...you're like a bloody broken record...
<rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
wo cultures that are dissonant
>
>Even sillier.
>
>> - and it is not the cultures themselves so much as the pandering to them.
>
>Even sillier.
>
>> Intolerance of intolerance would go a long way to restoring the peace.
>
>Even sillier.
>
>> Leftists are happy to lecture to WASPs/WASCs but not to other cultures,
>> e.g. those which treat women as objects.
>
>Even sillier.
SG1
Sep 19, 2012, 4:17:08 AM9/19/12
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Indeed... I hear it's working a treat in Palestine!
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Krypsis
Sep 19, 2012, 8:32:31 AM9/19/12
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Japan and you might get some insight into how racist Japanese really
are. I know quite a few Korean whose families have lived in Japan for a
century or more. Even being born in Japan doesn't stop the racism
directed at them.
--
Krypsis
felix_unger
Sep 20, 2012, 12:35:41 AM9/20/12
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On 20-September-2012 2:27 PM, Trevor wrote:
> "Kevin Russell" <ke...@zappy.com.au> wrote in message
> news:0088b781-f36d-4955...@googlegroups.com...
>> They also have a highly interventionist industry policy and the most
>> protected farmers on the face of the planet. Kennett is the very model of
>> the oxymoron "military intelligence".
> He's not military, perhaps a model of the oxymoron "common sense"?
>
> The only thing in his favour is he helped promote Beyond Blue to assist
> those people he drove to the brink of suicide when he was premier.
>
> Trevor.
>
>
We all would have been driven 'to the brink of suicide' if Labor had
remained in power. How quickly some forget the perilous condition our
State was in when Jeff was voted in to clean up Labor's mess. Perhaps
what's needed in Australia today is for the country to become a total
basket case under Labor for people to finally realize that you can't
have what you can't pay for. People want to have their cake and eat it
too, that's the problem.
--
rgds,
Pete
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"The only way right now to restore integrity to our Parliament, to restore the reputation of our polity, is for this sad and sorry Parliament to be dissolved and for there to be an election" - Tony Abbott, Federal Opposition Leader
Give Juliar the boot!.. http://ausnet.info/pics/boot.jpg
> "Kevin Russell" <ke...@zappy.com.au> wrote in message
> news:0088b781-f36d-4955...@googlegroups.com...
>> They also have a highly interventionist industry policy and the most
>> protected farmers on the face of the planet. Kennett is the very model of
>> the oxymoron "military intelligence".
> He's not military, perhaps a model of the oxymoron "common sense"?
>
> The only thing in his favour is he helped promote Beyond Blue to assist
> those people he drove to the brink of suicide when he was premier.
>
> Trevor.
>
>
We all would have been driven 'to the brink of suicide' if Labor had
remained in power. How quickly some forget the perilous condition our
State was in when Jeff was voted in to clean up Labor's mess. Perhaps
what's needed in Australia today is for the country to become a total
basket case under Labor for people to finally realize that you can't
have what you can't pay for. People want to have their cake and eat it
too, that's the problem.
--
rgds,
Pete
-------
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"The only way right now to restore integrity to our Parliament, to restore the reputation of our polity, is for this sad and sorry Parliament to be dissolved and for there to be an election" - Tony Abbott, Federal Opposition Leader
felix_unger
Sep 20, 2012, 12:45:56 AM9/20/12
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comfortable and prefer to associate with ppl of our own race, culture,
and upbringing, as they are the only ppl we can fully identify with.
Anyone who tries to deny this basic truth is just sprouting PC BS.
--
rgds,
Pete
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felix_unger
Sep 20, 2012, 12:57:34 AM9/20/12
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On 19-September-2012 2:47 PM, ALP Ineptocracy wrote:
> On 19/09/2012 11:55 AM, felix_unger wrote:
>>
>> Jeff Kennett was on talkback radio recently extolling the virtues of
>> Japanese society. Discipline and order were evident in all aspects, he
>> said. He mentioned how spotlessly clean the streets were. That people
>> were well dressed, well behaved, respectful, and well mannered. Drivers
>> were courteous- there was no road rage. The transport system was
>> efficient and timely. It is a safe and pleasant place to be, he said.
>> Well Melbourne was like that once too. But what Mr. Kennett failed to
>> mention however, is that Japan has had a continuing advantage that we no
>> longer have... it is a Uni-cultural society.
>>
>
> Multi-cultural societies can be that way too. It is just one or two
> cultures that are dissonant - and it is not the cultures themselves so
> much as the pandering to them.
The big problem with Multi_Culturalism is that it is essentially
> On 19/09/2012 11:55 AM, felix_unger wrote:
>>
>> Jeff Kennett was on talkback radio recently extolling the virtues of
>> Japanese society. Discipline and order were evident in all aspects, he
>> said. He mentioned how spotlessly clean the streets were. That people
>> were well dressed, well behaved, respectful, and well mannered. Drivers
>> were courteous- there was no road rage. The transport system was
>> efficient and timely. It is a safe and pleasant place to be, he said.
>> Well Melbourne was like that once too. But what Mr. Kennett failed to
>> mention however, is that Japan has had a continuing advantage that we no
>> longer have... it is a Uni-cultural society.
>>
>
> Multi-cultural societies can be that way too. It is just one or two
> cultures that are dissonant - and it is not the cultures themselves so
> much as the pandering to them.
ethnocide for the host nation.
>
> Intolerance of intolerance would go a long way to restoring the peace.
> Leftists are happy to lecture to WASPs/WASCs but not to other
> cultures, e.g. those which treat women as objects.
>
> Imagine SHY lecturing *these* friends...
> http://sheikyermami.com/wp-content/uploads/989548-greens-senator1.jpg
>
> http://www.jta.org/news/article/2012/08/24/3104936/hamas-top-official-kill-every-last-jew-and-american
>
>
>
--
rgds,
Pete
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terryc
Sep 20, 2012, 1:26:09 AM9/20/12
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On 20/09/12 14:45, felix_unger wrote:
> Every person ever born is a racist to the extent that we are more
> comfortable and prefer to associate with ppl of our own race, culture,
> and upbringing, as they are the only ppl we can fully identify with.
> Anyone who tries to deny this basic truth is just sprouting PC BS.
Nope, it is familiarity. If you know and experience and understand it,
> Every person ever born is a racist to the extent that we are more
> comfortable and prefer to associate with ppl of our own race, culture,
> and upbringing, as they are the only ppl we can fully identify with.
> Anyone who tries to deny this basic truth is just sprouting PC BS.
then you don't fear it. Rascism is almost always the demonising of the
unknown. Kids get it from their parents in both direct and subtle ways
and now it comes in droves from the media.
You can mix kids from all sorts of backgounds when they are young. It is
as they get older and they get dragged off to special indoctrination
centres(usually shools/churches of various forms) that the grief starts.
Trevor
Sep 20, 2012, 1:27:32 AM9/20/12
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after Labor. They are ALL there to look after their vested interests, not
the rest of us :-(
>Perhaps what's needed in Australia today is for the country to become a
>total basket case under Labor for people to finally realize that you can't
>have what you can't pay for. People want to have their cake and eat it too,
>that's the problem.
So very true of Gina, Clive, Twiggy etc. but I somehow doubt they ever voted
Labor in their life!
Trevor.
> We all would have been driven 'to the brink of suicide' if Labor had
> remained in power. How quickly some forget the perilous condition our
> State was in when Jeff was voted in to clean up Labor's mess.
How quickly you forget the mess Jeff left it in. Not that it is any better
> remained in power. How quickly some forget the perilous condition our
> State was in when Jeff was voted in to clean up Labor's mess.
after Labor. They are ALL there to look after their vested interests, not
the rest of us :-(
>Perhaps what's needed in Australia today is for the country to become a
>total basket case under Labor for people to finally realize that you can't
>have what you can't pay for. People want to have their cake and eat it too,
>that's the problem.
Labor in their life!
Trevor.
Trevor
Sep 20, 2012, 1:30:44 AM9/20/12
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definitions.
Those that call for the beheading of people who disagree with their beliefs
are another matter though!!
Trevor.
> Every person ever born is a racist to the extent that we are more
> comfortable and prefer to associate with ppl of our own race, culture, and
> upbringing, as they are the only ppl we can fully identify with. Anyone
> who tries to deny this basic truth is just sprouting PC BS.
And anyone who says that is racist is simply making up their own
> comfortable and prefer to associate with ppl of our own race, culture, and
> upbringing, as they are the only ppl we can fully identify with. Anyone
> who tries to deny this basic truth is just sprouting PC BS.
definitions.
Those that call for the beheading of people who disagree with their beliefs
are another matter though!!
Trevor.
SG1
Sep 20, 2012, 2:02:59 AM9/20/12
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ALP Ineptocracy
Sep 20, 2012, 2:19:14 AM9/20/12
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On 20/09/2012 2:57 PM, felix_unger wrote:
> On 19-September-2012 2:47 PM, ALP Ineptocracy wrote:
>> On 19/09/2012 11:55 AM, felix_unger wrote:
>>>
>>> Jeff Kennett was on talkback radio recently extolling the virtues of
>>> Japanese society. Discipline and order were evident in all aspects, he
>>> said. He mentioned how spotlessly clean the streets were. That people
>>> were well dressed, well behaved, respectful, and well mannered. Drivers
>>> were courteous- there was no road rage. The transport system was
>>> efficient and timely. It is a safe and pleasant place to be, he said.
>>> Well Melbourne was like that once too. But what Mr. Kennett failed to
>>> mention however, is that Japan has had a continuing advantage that we no
>>> longer have... it is a Uni-cultural society.
>>>
>>
>> Multi-cultural societies can be that way too. It is just one or two
>> cultures that are dissonant - and it is not the cultures themselves so
>> much as the pandering to them.
>
> The big problem with Multi_Culturalism is that it is essentially
> ethnocide for the host nation.
What is our 'host nation'?
> On 19-September-2012 2:47 PM, ALP Ineptocracy wrote:
>> On 19/09/2012 11:55 AM, felix_unger wrote:
>>>
>>> Jeff Kennett was on talkback radio recently extolling the virtues of
>>> Japanese society. Discipline and order were evident in all aspects, he
>>> said. He mentioned how spotlessly clean the streets were. That people
>>> were well dressed, well behaved, respectful, and well mannered. Drivers
>>> were courteous- there was no road rage. The transport system was
>>> efficient and timely. It is a safe and pleasant place to be, he said.
>>> Well Melbourne was like that once too. But what Mr. Kennett failed to
>>> mention however, is that Japan has had a continuing advantage that we no
>>> longer have... it is a Uni-cultural society.
>>>
>>
>> Multi-cultural societies can be that way too. It is just one or two
>> cultures that are dissonant - and it is not the cultures themselves so
>> much as the pandering to them.
>
> The big problem with Multi_Culturalism is that it is essentially
> ethnocide for the host nation.
>
>>
>> Intolerance of intolerance would go a long way to restoring the peace.
>
> indeed
>
>> Leftists are happy to lecture to WASPs/WASCs but not to other
>> cultures, e.g. those which treat women as objects.
>
> yes, the old double standard
>
>>
>> Imagine SHY lecturing *these* friends...
>> http://sheikyermami.com/wp-content/uploads/989548-greens-senator1.jpg
>>
>> ....about *this* 'bigotry'...
>> http://www.jta.org/news/article/2012/08/24/3104936/hamas-top-official-kill-every-last-jew-and-american
>>
>>
>>
>
>
--
Julia Gillard...
"...we're working to make sure Aussies get jobs first"
"I don't want the mining industry to hire a single foreign worker if
"...we're working to make sure Aussies get jobs first"
there is an Australian who can do the job"
Bob Carr...
"I have asked Australia’s diplomatic posts around the world to redouble
their efforts to bridge the gap between civilizations to encourage the
overlap of cultures and the dialogue between faiths"
Swan...
"Since we announced both the carbon price and the (Minerals) resource
rent tax, investment has gone through the roof"
Combet...
"It's a market .. markets move up and down"
Rod Speed
Sep 20, 2012, 2:32:02 AM9/20/12
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Nope, they wouldn't have shown up at the suicide bombing
camp in the first place unless they were already racists.
camp in the first place unless they were already racists.
felix_unger
Sep 20, 2012, 2:52:50 AM9/20/12
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On 20-September-2012 4:19 PM, ALP Ineptocracy wrote:
> On 20/09/2012 2:57 PM, felix_unger wrote:
>> On 19-September-2012 2:47 PM, ALP Ineptocracy wrote:
>>> On 19/09/2012 11:55 AM, felix_unger wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Jeff Kennett was on talkback radio recently extolling the virtues of
>>>> Japanese society. Discipline and order were evident in all aspects, he
>>>> said. He mentioned how spotlessly clean the streets were. That people
>>>> were well dressed, well behaved, respectful, and well mannered.
>>>> Drivers
>>>> were courteous- there was no road rage. The transport system was
>>>> efficient and timely. It is a safe and pleasant place to be, he said.
>>>> Well Melbourne was like that once too. But what Mr. Kennett failed to
>>>> mention however, is that Japan has had a continuing advantage that
>>>> we no
>>>> longer have... it is a Uni-cultural society.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Multi-cultural societies can be that way too. It is just one or two
>>> cultures that are dissonant - and it is not the cultures themselves so
>>> much as the pandering to them.
>>
>> The big problem with Multi_Culturalism is that it is essentially
>> ethnocide for the host nation.
>
> What is our 'host nation'?
>
Australia
> On 20/09/2012 2:57 PM, felix_unger wrote:
>> On 19-September-2012 2:47 PM, ALP Ineptocracy wrote:
>>> On 19/09/2012 11:55 AM, felix_unger wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Jeff Kennett was on talkback radio recently extolling the virtues of
>>>> Japanese society. Discipline and order were evident in all aspects, he
>>>> said. He mentioned how spotlessly clean the streets were. That people
>>>> were well dressed, well behaved, respectful, and well mannered.
>>>> Drivers
>>>> were courteous- there was no road rage. The transport system was
>>>> efficient and timely. It is a safe and pleasant place to be, he said.
>>>> Well Melbourne was like that once too. But what Mr. Kennett failed to
>>>> mention however, is that Japan has had a continuing advantage that
>>>> we no
>>>> longer have... it is a Uni-cultural society.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Multi-cultural societies can be that way too. It is just one or two
>>> cultures that are dissonant - and it is not the cultures themselves so
>>> much as the pandering to them.
>>
>> The big problem with Multi_Culturalism is that it is essentially
>> ethnocide for the host nation.
>
> What is our 'host nation'?
>
felix_unger
Sep 20, 2012, 3:53:07 AM9/20/12
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On 20-September-2012 3:30 PM, Trevor wrote:
> "felix_unger" <m...@nothere.com> wrote in message
> news:abvlcf...@mid.individual.net...
>> Every person ever born is a racist to the extent that we are more
>> comfortable and prefer to associate with ppl of our own race, culture, and
>> upbringing, as they are the only ppl we can fully identify with. Anyone
>> who tries to deny this basic truth is just sprouting PC BS.
> And anyone who says that is racist is simply making up their own
> definitions.
And that's exactly what happens in our PC society. eg. ethnic job
> "felix_unger" <m...@nothere.com> wrote in message
> news:abvlcf...@mid.individual.net...
>> Every person ever born is a racist to the extent that we are more
>> comfortable and prefer to associate with ppl of our own race, culture, and
>> upbringing, as they are the only ppl we can fully identify with. Anyone
>> who tries to deny this basic truth is just sprouting PC BS.
> And anyone who says that is racist is simply making up their own
> definitions.
applicants who claim racism when they don't get a position they apply for
> Those that call for the beheading of people who disagree with their beliefs
> are another matter though!!
>
> Trevor.
>
>
rgds,
Pete
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The trouble this woman is causing already! (sigh)
keithr
Sep 20, 2012, 6:11:11 AM9/20/12
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On 19/09/2012 11:55 AM, felix_unger wrote:
>
> Jeff Kennett was on talkback radio recently extolling the virtues of
> Japanese society. Discipline and order were evident in all aspects, he
> said. He mentioned how spotlessly clean the streets were.
True in the city but get out in the country and there is rubbish everywhere
>
> Jeff Kennett was on talkback radio recently extolling the virtues of
> Japanese society. Discipline and order were evident in all aspects, he
> said. He mentioned how spotlessly clean the streets were.
> That people were well dressed, well behaved, respectful, and well mannered.
philosophy to most western nations including Australia
> Driverswere courteous- there was no road rage.
No better than anywhere else.
> The transport system was efficient and timely.
experience by any measure.
> It is a safe and pleasant place to be, he said.
would have to live there full time for the rest of my life.
> Well Melbourne was like that once too. But what Mr. Kennett failed to
> mention however, is that Japan has had a continuing advantage that we no
> longer have... it is a Uni-cultural society.
they have a saying that the nail that sticks up must be hammered down,
and they mean it too.
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"keithr" <us...@domain.invalid> wrote in message news:ac08dv...@mid.individual.net...
>> It is a safe and pleasant place to be, he said.
>
> I love Japan, I like spending time there, but I'd hate to think that I would have to
> live there full time for the rest of my life.
>
>> Well Melbourne was like that once too. But what Mr. Kennett failed to
>> mention however, is that Japan has had a continuing advantage that we no
>> longer have... it is a Uni-cultural society.
>
> The Japanese are completely intolerant of anybody who doesn't conform, they have a
> saying that the nail that sticks up must be hammered down, and they mean it too.
Japan is well organised, we should be like them , double the number of public holidays and
>
> I love Japan, I like spending time there, but I'd hate to think that I would have to
> live there full time for the rest of my life.
>
>> Well Melbourne was like that once too. But what Mr. Kennett failed to
>> mention however, is that Japan has had a continuing advantage that we no
>> longer have... it is a Uni-cultural society.
>
> The Japanese are completely intolerant of anybody who doesn't conform, they have a
> saying that the nail that sticks up must be hammered down, and they mean it too.
get very pissed twice a week.
China is very powerful, we should be like them , population control , rampant corruption
and saturated with waste.
The USA is rich and powerful, we should be like them , death penalty, nuclear weapons,
space program
So, who are we and what are we notable for? Does anyone really care?
We are somewhat united, we are realtively isolated and secure, we are quite obscenely
wealthy, relatively.
What is enough?
Maybe we could do our own thing and not really give a toss what others think, they really
don't give a LOT of thought to us anyway.
Buzz^|
Sep 20, 2012, 10:59:23 PM9/20/12
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It may be enhanced and the fire of hatred may be fanned but the fact
that children do not fear other races instinctively is pure fantasy.
You live in a place where a child is introduced to other cultures and
different looking people from birth almost. You can not go a day without
seeing a person of a different heritage if you leave the house in most
places in Australia. It's the conditioning of children to accept other
cultures, that is what takes place, not the teaching them to fear them.
Babies at birth don't care about race, up to about 6 months they start
seeing a face and will not care what colour it is. Usually at about 9
months it all changes, instinct I think. Children that have seen me
numerous times will withdraw and will need coaching to accept me again.
As I said the child has to be encouraged to accept a person of a
different colour, even though they recognised me on their last visit.
This isn't a one off, I've seen it happen with every baby that I have
had a lot of contact with. After the second reintroduction it seems to
be ingrained that I am OK. I have even seen kids that accept me run and
hide at the sight of another "whiteman" and just about go into hysterics
if a group of them arrive.
I do harp on sometimes but I have, on many occasions, been the first
person of a different race that children have seen. Sometimes they may
have seen a light skinned person before but have never been close to
them and they have never interacted with them. Very young children will
cry, most will try and hide but all will be extremely timid. It's
ingrained in the human subconscious to be afraid of what is different.
Of course after a bribe (I often carry lollies when away from town) or
even better their friends laughing at them for being afraid, I will be
accepted, but always treated differently to those of the same race.
It can humerous to see reactions of some people, not just kids, when I
arrive in a remote place. It's not just the stranger part as because I
am white they seem to not rearguard me with the same suspicion that a
stranger of the same race as themselves may receive. The adults always
show more curiosity than anything else. The kids usually just run in
fear. 95% of the time they have heard that I will be in the area, and
know who I am, my name, who I am there to visit, and how long my stay
will be in the area. There seems to be a ritual to follow when visiting
a place and I have always been greeted warmly wherever I go.
End of statement about born in racism.
Following is just dribble really.
I always walk into the centre of the village, this allows me to be seen
by anyone there, and allows a few minutes for them (the villagers) to
work out who they are going to send to greet me. The most senior male,
or a relative of the person in the area I am there visiting will come
forward and will greet me with good morning/afternoon and introduce
themselves, and ask me if I am Brad, friend of ? who have come to see
the area. If they didn't know I was coming I will have a guide (local to
introduce me around) with me, I usually do anyway if I have not been
there before. I am welcomes and asked to sit down in the shade, while
this introduction has been happening the finest chair in the village has
appeared in the place where I am now invited to sit.
Now the pow-wow begins with greeting and an offer of refreshment.
Usually it is only men that will sit and talk on the first visit but it
relaxes more after each meeting. Bringing a small gift is polite but not
necessary.
One such gift I took to a village near Bulolo was comical. I had
purchased a bag of live mudcrabs in Lae and as I was going to one of my
employee's wives village I decided to take the crabs as a gift as it was
one of my workers and his kids favourite treats. After the 2 1/2 hour
drive and about an hours walk from the end of the track into the village
we sat down for the talks and stories. I had the crabs under the chair
in the plastic shopping bag. I was soon presented with a bilum (a
locally hand made string bag that each area has their own design and is
a traditional gift) I in return stood up and presented the bag of crabs.
This caused a small scurry with almost everyone leaving the area to
examine the present, it wouldn't have been polite for them to discus it
in front of me, perhaps. Mud crabs are not found in this area, my worker
had married a woman from a different area, as is becoming more prominent
now, he is from Madang where they do have them and they are a delicacy.
The spokesman returned with a strange question, "Where did you get these
crabs?" As it was a strange question, as he knew I had come up from Lae
that day I responded that I had picked them up in a small creek we had
crossed while walking from the car. The spokesman returned to the group
looking in the bag and a spirited conversation took place between the
clan. My worker was at this time having a difficult time stopping
himself from laughing, as he could see the confusion my statement was
causing. It was not even considered by the group that this important
(all whiteman seem to be considered important) person would carry live
creatures all the way from Lae, then carry them himself on the walk to
the village, as they saw me walk in with the bag. The spokesman
returned after some time with a simple statement, "No you didn't"
By this time my worker couldn't retain his mirth and explained that, I
myself ate crabs and as I was looking forward to the visit to the
village. I knew they did not have access to what I considered a tasty
treat I had purchased them in Lae, with the knowledge that they (the
tribe) would give me a gift that had taken days to make, and I wanted to
give them something special. He also included that I had responded in
such a way to the question because I am a clown, but had not shown or
intended any disrespect, I had just not understood why they had asked me
such a question about my gift to them. He also explained that I had
asked him to show them how to roast them on the fire if they needed
instruction, and added that in his home that these crabs are considered
the tastiest of all meats. Steven also added that I was showing them
some of his culture as well as my own, as they had done with the bilum.
This statement, and the fact that they now realised that I had
considered their gift as important, and wanted to return to them a gift
of similar uniqueness went over quite well. (Just this minute I heard
they had thought the crabs were ugly and quite scary while alive but the
taste when cooked, had won them over. Steven's suggestion of a little
salt had made them all happy.)
Years later I was in the rough area looking at a hot spring when some
local teenagers had approached us to say hello. I had my parents with me
at the time and these lads were carrying their machetes and would have
been quite scary for many people. The local I had with us introduced me
and told them I was Steven's boss as well as explaining that I was
showing my parents around the country. As they were walking away I heard
them talking about cooka, which made me grin, I told my parents that
they were talking about the story of the whiteman that had carried
strange creatures all the way up here to give to the people on the next
hill. Cooka is Tok pisin for crab. Mum had remembered the story I had
sent in an email to her and was amazed that even people so far from the
village knew the story so many years later.
No power or TV means that any notable event gets told and retold and
stories are the main form of entertainment in the villages. Most of the
conversations that took place were in Tok pisin which is far more
comical when told in story form then English.
I visit a few different places around the country and have made quite a
lot of friends in remote areas. I'm not a misho or an environmental
rapist (logger or miner) so I am welcomed almost anywhere I choose to go.
Almost every trip into the bush has a story to tell, if you enjoyed this
one I am glad, if you didn't, I warned you this was dribble.
--
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Rod Speed
Sep 21, 2012, 3:00:39 PM9/21/12
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Buzz^| <bradl...@spammail.com> wrote
>>> terryc <newsnine...@woa.com.au> wrote
germany before the war and in the islamic madrasah today.
> It may be enhanced and the fire of hatred may be fanned but the fact that
> children do not fear other races instinctively is pure fantasy.
Nope, it's a fact. There are plenty of kids who never did, most
obviously with the kids of the colonials who never did fear the
black kids at all because they grew up with them etc.
> You live in a place where a child is introduced to other cultures and
> different looking people from birth almost.
That wasn't true in the past. Plenty here never even saw a single abo.
> You can not go a day without seeing a person of a different heritage if
> you leave the house in most places in Australia.
Yes, but that wasn't so true in the past before
the rash of immigration since the war.
> It's the conditioning of children to accept other cultures, that is what
> takes place, not the teaching them to fear them.
> Babies at birth don't care about race, up to about 6 months they start
> seeing a face and will not care what colour it is. Usually at about 9
> months it all changes,
It doesn't for many of them, most obviously
with those who had other race servants.
> instinct I think.
Fraid not.
> Children that have seen me numerous times will withdraw and will need
> coaching to accept me again.
That's just because of your rabid blood shot eyes and
flecks of foam about the lips and the nervous tick.
> As I said the child has to be encouraged to accept a person of a different
> colour, even though they recognised me on their last visit.
That's nothing like universal and isnt seen with those who have
other race servants.
> This isn't a one off, I've seen it happen with every baby that I have had
> a lot of contact with.
That's just because of your rabid blood shot eyes and
flecks of foam about the lips and the nervous tick.
> After the second reintroduction it seems to be ingrained that I am OK. I
> have even seen kids that accept me run and hide at the sight of another
> "whiteman" and just about go into hysterics if a group of them arrive.
That's just kids. You get the same effect with kids and dogs too.
Nothing to do with race.
I get that effect with a couple of the neighbours little kids,
a couple of them are very fearful and cautious like that,
and plenty of the others aren't. With my neighbour Turks
who I do have quite a bit to do with, the 4 year old is like
that, and the 2 year old isn't, he's much more of a gung ho
character than his older brother who has the same problem
with dogs, because they don't have any dogs themselves.
The other one who is quite fearful is actually the oldest
kid of someone I knew when he was himself just 3 and
used to show up at my place all the time and was
completely fearless at that age, right little terror.
> I do harp on sometimes but I have, on many occasions, been the first
> person of a different race that children have seen. Sometimes they may
> have seen a light skinned person before but have never been close to them
> and they have never interacted with them. Very young children will cry,
> most will try and hide but all will be extremely timid.
That last is just plain wrong. Some of them aren't.
> It's ingrained in the human subconscious to be afraid of what is
> different.
Plenty of kids aren't and that's why they can get into so much trouble.
> Of course after a bribe (I often carry lollies when away from town) or
> even better their friends laughing at them for being afraid, I will be
> accepted, but always treated differently to those of the same race.
> It can humerous to see reactions of some people, not just kids, when I
> arrive in a remote place. It's not just the stranger part as because I am
> white they seem to not rearguard me with the same suspicion that a
> stranger of the same race as themselves may receive. The adults always
> show more curiosity than anything else. The kids usually just run in fear.
Bet you are actually seeing quite a bit of whats notorious with highlanders.
I never got anything like that result when I was living
in Singapore for years with chinese and malay little kids.
Yes I did.
>>> terryc <newsnine...@woa.com.au> wrote
>>>> felix_unger wrote
>>>>> Every person ever born is a racist to the extent that we are more
>>>>> comfortable and prefer to associate with ppl of our own race, culture,
>>>>> and upbringing, as they are the only ppl we can fully identify with.
>>>>> Anyone who tries to deny this basic truth is just sprouting PC BS.
>>>> Nope, it is familiarity. If you know and experience and understand
>>>> it, then you don't fear it. Rascism is almost always the demonising
>>>> of the unknown. Kids get it from their parents in both direct and
>>>> subtle ways and now it comes in droves from the media.
>>>> You can mix kids from all sorts of backgounds when they are young. It
>>>> is as they get older and they get dragged off to special indoctrination
>>>> centres(usually shools/churches of various forms) that the grief
>>>> starts.
>>> Suicide bombing camp is such a place.
>> Nope, they wouldn't have shown up at the suicide bombing
>> camp in the first place unless they were already racists.
> Not on the bombing side but the whole racism being taught is crap.
Nope, there has always been some of that, most obviously in
>>>>> Every person ever born is a racist to the extent that we are more
>>>>> comfortable and prefer to associate with ppl of our own race, culture,
>>>>> and upbringing, as they are the only ppl we can fully identify with.
>>>>> Anyone who tries to deny this basic truth is just sprouting PC BS.
>>>> Nope, it is familiarity. If you know and experience and understand
>>>> it, then you don't fear it. Rascism is almost always the demonising
>>>> of the unknown. Kids get it from their parents in both direct and
>>>> subtle ways and now it comes in droves from the media.
>>>> You can mix kids from all sorts of backgounds when they are young. It
>>>> is as they get older and they get dragged off to special indoctrination
>>>> centres(usually shools/churches of various forms) that the grief
>>>> starts.
>>> Suicide bombing camp is such a place.
>> Nope, they wouldn't have shown up at the suicide bombing
>> camp in the first place unless they were already racists.
> Not on the bombing side but the whole racism being taught is crap.
germany before the war and in the islamic madrasah today.
> It may be enhanced and the fire of hatred may be fanned but the fact that
> children do not fear other races instinctively is pure fantasy.
obviously with the kids of the colonials who never did fear the
black kids at all because they grew up with them etc.
> You live in a place where a child is introduced to other cultures and
> different looking people from birth almost.
> You can not go a day without seeing a person of a different heritage if
> you leave the house in most places in Australia.
the rash of immigration since the war.
> It's the conditioning of children to accept other cultures, that is what
> takes place, not the teaching them to fear them.
> Babies at birth don't care about race, up to about 6 months they start
> seeing a face and will not care what colour it is. Usually at about 9
> months it all changes,
with those who had other race servants.
> instinct I think.
Fraid not.
> Children that have seen me numerous times will withdraw and will need
> coaching to accept me again.
flecks of foam about the lips and the nervous tick.
> As I said the child has to be encouraged to accept a person of a different
> colour, even though they recognised me on their last visit.
other race servants.
> This isn't a one off, I've seen it happen with every baby that I have had
> a lot of contact with.
flecks of foam about the lips and the nervous tick.
> After the second reintroduction it seems to be ingrained that I am OK. I
> have even seen kids that accept me run and hide at the sight of another
> "whiteman" and just about go into hysterics if a group of them arrive.
Nothing to do with race.
I get that effect with a couple of the neighbours little kids,
a couple of them are very fearful and cautious like that,
and plenty of the others aren't. With my neighbour Turks
who I do have quite a bit to do with, the 4 year old is like
that, and the 2 year old isn't, he's much more of a gung ho
character than his older brother who has the same problem
with dogs, because they don't have any dogs themselves.
The other one who is quite fearful is actually the oldest
kid of someone I knew when he was himself just 3 and
used to show up at my place all the time and was
completely fearless at that age, right little terror.
> I do harp on sometimes but I have, on many occasions, been the first
> person of a different race that children have seen. Sometimes they may
> have seen a light skinned person before but have never been close to them
> and they have never interacted with them. Very young children will cry,
> most will try and hide but all will be extremely timid.
> It's ingrained in the human subconscious to be afraid of what is
> different.
> Of course after a bribe (I often carry lollies when away from town) or
> even better their friends laughing at them for being afraid, I will be
> accepted, but always treated differently to those of the same race.
> It can humerous to see reactions of some people, not just kids, when I
> arrive in a remote place. It's not just the stranger part as because I am
> white they seem to not rearguard me with the same suspicion that a
> stranger of the same race as themselves may receive. The adults always
> show more curiosity than anything else. The kids usually just run in fear.
I never got anything like that result when I was living
in Singapore for years with chinese and malay little kids.
terryc
Sep 21, 2012, 8:18:00 PM9/21/12
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> Buzz^| <bradl...@spammail.com> wrote
>>>> terryc <newsnine...@woa.com.au> wrote
>>>>> Nope, it is familiarity. If you know and experience and understand
>>>>> it, then you don't fear it. Rascism is almost always the demonising
>>>>> of the unknown. Kids get it from their parents in both direct and
>>>>> subtle ways and now it comes in droves from the media.
>
>>>>> You can mix kids from all sorts of backgounds when they are young.
>>>>> It is as they get older and they get dragged off to special
>>>>> indoctrination centres(usually shools/churches of various forms)
>>>>> that the grief starts.
>> It may be enhanced and the fire of hatred may be fanned but the fact
>> that children do not fear other races instinctively is pure fantasy.
Nope, it is my experience of working with kids for over 40 years. They
>> that children do not fear other races instinctively is pure fantasy.
don't give a rats about a persons heritage and scum like you would have
SFA ability to work out the heritage of any f those kids. If anything,
knowing that the kids do "different things" like food, dances, songs is
interesting to them and they love to learn stuff.
Buzz^|
Sep 21, 2012, 9:46:54 PM9/21/12
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Goes to show your 40 years are worth nothing then, as I see this happen
every day.
The fear and shock is easily overcome in most cases by encouragement
from parents or others, but the first reaction is fear, not hate. There
will always be shy kids, that's not what I am talking about. Even in a
town where there are other whites and Asians, I can easily make a child
cry just by paying attention to them. Mind you at the sight of a stick
lolly (lolly-pop) they will usually overcome their initial fear and
slowly take the sweet. Yes I am 6" taller than the average local and
rather imposing, I'm not a small lad, but again, that just goes to show
the prejudice you say doesn't exist. Bigger, smaller, disabled, black,
white or brindle it's all different and causes a reaction, you say
doesn't exist.
Don't believe me, I don't give a rats, but you will never know the truth
while you live in your little fantasy land.
While I am not a saint, (few are) I would challenge you to do as much
for the truly poor. I don't mean the down and outs that get the dole and
piss it all up against the wall then go to the salvo's or others and cry
poor then return home to watch cable TV on their plasmas.
Let's see, this week alone I've personally paid for the medical bills of
a child's birth and provided medical supplies for the treatment of a
tropical ulcer on a 3yo boy's foot. That's not to mention the fact that
at this very moment I have 3 kids munching on sausages, and a small
amount of bacon, and eggs on bread, which will be their biggest protein
meal this week. There's even a takeaway live mudcrab for each of them.
You may think a meal like that is unhealthy but here people have hardly
any protein in their diet, mostly greens and rice.
I've set up small businesses for locals and provided computer training
for one of those business, donated computers, books and stationary to
schools and helped my family to do the same. I don't devote my life to
charity but I like to do what I can see needs to be done. The odd things
I have done include taking bodies to the morgue in the back of the ute
and setting up a solar phone charging station (4 at a time) in a remote
village. Written and illustrated a story book in Tok pisin had it
corrected and edited and then printed it for a school, a story that
included the children in that school. I also repair and maintain the
amusements section of the show which is the biggest event in the
country, that is also voluntary, and takes 2 weeks a year. BTW the
proceeds from the amusements go to Rotary, not showies or myself.
Last weekend was spent setting up the fireworks for the independence
celebrations, yes the Gov paid for the fireworks but my help is
requested each year by the organiser (but I do like fireworks). I'm not
paid but I usually get a meal.
So if that classifies me as scum, so be it, I'm not after admiration of
the masses, I just like seeing happy kids.
terryc
Sep 21, 2012, 11:07:46 PM9/21/12
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On 22/09/12 11:46, Buzz^| wrote:
> On 22/09/2012 10:18 AM, terryc wrote:
>>
>>> Buzz^| <bradl...@spammail.com> wrote
>>>>>> terryc <newsnine...@woa.com.au> wrote
>>
>>>>>>> Nope, it is familiarity. If you know and experience and understand
>>>>>>> it, then you don't fear it. Rascism is almost always the demonising
>>>>>>> of the unknown. Kids get it from their parents in both direct and
>>>>>>> subtle ways and now it comes in droves from the media.
>>>
>>>>>>> You can mix kids from all sorts of backgounds when they are young.
>>>>>>> It is as they get older and they get dragged off to special
>>>>>>> indoctrination centres(usually shools/churches of various forms)
>>>>>>> that the grief starts.
>>
>>>> It may be enhanced and the fire of hatred may be fanned but the fact
>>>> that children do not fear other races instinctively is pure fantasy.
>>
>> Nope, it is my experience of working with kids for over 40 years. They
>> don't give a rats about a persons heritage and scum like you would have
>> SFA ability to work out the heritage of any f those kids. If anything,
>> knowing that the kids do "different things" like food, dances, songs is
>> interesting to them and they love to learn stuff.
>
>
> So you live in a mono culture then?
Assumption wrong, so bile ignored.
> On 22/09/2012 10:18 AM, terryc wrote:
>>
>>> Buzz^| <bradl...@spammail.com> wrote
>>>>>> terryc <newsnine...@woa.com.au> wrote
>>
>>>>>>> Nope, it is familiarity. If you know and experience and understand
>>>>>>> it, then you don't fear it. Rascism is almost always the demonising
>>>>>>> of the unknown. Kids get it from their parents in both direct and
>>>>>>> subtle ways and now it comes in droves from the media.
>>>
>>>>>>> You can mix kids from all sorts of backgounds when they are young.
>>>>>>> It is as they get older and they get dragged off to special
>>>>>>> indoctrination centres(usually shools/churches of various forms)
>>>>>>> that the grief starts.
>>
>>>> It may be enhanced and the fire of hatred may be fanned but the fact
>>>> that children do not fear other races instinctively is pure fantasy.
>>
>> Nope, it is my experience of working with kids for over 40 years. They
>> don't give a rats about a persons heritage and scum like you would have
>> SFA ability to work out the heritage of any f those kids. If anything,
>> knowing that the kids do "different things" like food, dances, songs is
>> interesting to them and they love to learn stuff.
>
>
> So you live in a mono culture then?
Go spew your self loathing somewhere else. Your rage is futile.
SG1
Sep 22, 2012, 12:12:47 AM9/22/12
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news:k3ja22$48s$1...@dont-email.me...
SWMBO can get a baby crying by looking at them, the same anklebiters smile
and coo at me. I would trust SWMBO more than me. Just goes to show kids
react to different folk differently. Mind yoy the grandkids prefer SWMBO
when they get a bit older. Pa is tooo grumpy.
and coo at me. I would trust SWMBO more than me. Just goes to show kids
react to different folk differently. Mind yoy the grandkids prefer SWMBO
when they get a bit older. Pa is tooo grumpy.
Rod Speed
Sep 22, 2012, 6:43:34 AM9/22/12
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"Buzz^|" <bradl...@spammail.com> wrote in message
news:k3j5ag$5uj$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
> On 22/09/2012 10:18 AM, terryc wrote:
>>
>>> Buzz^| <bradl...@spammail.com> wrote
>>>>>> terryc <newsnine...@woa.com.au> wrote
>>
>>>>>>> Nope, it is familiarity. If you know and experience and understand
>>>>>>> it, then you don't fear it. Rascism is almost always the demonising
>>>>>>> of the unknown. Kids get it from their parents in both direct and
>>>>>>> subtle ways and now it comes in droves from the media.
>>>
>>>>>>> You can mix kids from all sorts of backgounds when they are young.
>>>>>>> It is as they get older and they get dragged off to special
>>>>>>> indoctrination centres(usually shools/churches of various forms)
>>>>>>> that the grief starts.
>>
>>>> It may be enhanced and the fire of hatred may be fanned but the fact
>>>> that children do not fear other races instinctively is pure fantasy.
>> Nope, it is my experience of working with kids for over 40 years. They
>> don't give a rats about a persons heritage and scum like you would have
>> SFA ability to work out the heritage of any f those kids. If anything,
>> knowing that the kids do "different things" like food, dances, songs is
>> interesting to them and they love to learn stuff.
> So you live in a mono culture then?
Not possible, there arent any of those.
>>
>>> Buzz^| <bradl...@spammail.com> wrote
>>>>>> terryc <newsnine...@woa.com.au> wrote
>>
>>>>>>> Nope, it is familiarity. If you know and experience and understand
>>>>>>> it, then you don't fear it. Rascism is almost always the demonising
>>>>>>> of the unknown. Kids get it from their parents in both direct and
>>>>>>> subtle ways and now it comes in droves from the media.
>>>
>>>>>>> You can mix kids from all sorts of backgounds when they are young.
>>>>>>> It is as they get older and they get dragged off to special
>>>>>>> indoctrination centres(usually shools/churches of various forms)
>>>>>>> that the grief starts.
>>
>>>> It may be enhanced and the fire of hatred may be fanned but the fact
>>>> that children do not fear other races instinctively is pure fantasy.
>> Nope, it is my experience of working with kids for over 40 years. They
>> don't give a rats about a persons heritage and scum like you would have
>> SFA ability to work out the heritage of any f those kids. If anything,
>> knowing that the kids do "different things" like food, dances, songs is
>> interesting to them and they love to learn stuff.
> So you live in a mono culture then?
> Goes to show your 40 years are worth nothing then,
> as I see this happen every day.
> The fear and shock is easily overcome in most cases by encouragement from
> parents or others, but the first reaction is fear,
> not hate.
> There will always be shy kids, that's not what I am talking about. Even in
> a town where there are other whites and Asians, I can easily make a child
> cry just by paying attention to them.
> Mind you at the sight of a stick lolly (lolly-pop) they will usually
> overcome their initial fear and slowly take the sweet. Yes I am 6" taller
> than the average local and rather imposing, I'm not a small lad, but
> again, that just goes to show the prejudice you say doesn't exist.
> Bigger, smaller, disabled, black, white or brindle it's all different and
> causes a reaction,
> you say doesn't exist.
claim will all react with fear. That claim is just plain wrong.
> Don't believe me, I don't give a rats, but you will never know the truth
> while you live in your little fantasy land.
other kids where the ONLY difference is race.
With the younger kids they don't even notice that at all.
keithr
Sep 23, 2012, 6:30:11 AM9/23/12
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On 21/09/2012 12:40 AM, | || ||| ||||| || | wrote:
> "keithr" <us...@domain.invalid> wrote in message news:ac08dv...@mid.individual.net...
>>> It is a safe and pleasant place to be, he said.
>>
>> I love Japan, I like spending time there, but I'd hate to think that I would have to
>> live there full time for the rest of my life.
>>
>>> Well Melbourne was like that once too. But what Mr. Kennett failed to
>>> mention however, is that Japan has had a continuing advantage that we no
>>> longer have... it is a Uni-cultural society.
>>
>> The Japanese are completely intolerant of anybody who doesn't conform, they have a
>> saying that the nail that sticks up must be hammered down, and they mean it too.
>
> Japan is well organised, we should be like them , double the number of public holidays and
> get very pissed twice a week.
> China is very powerful, we should be like them , population control , rampant corruption
> and saturated with waste.
> The USA is rich and powerful, we should be like them , death penalty, nuclear weapons,
> space program
Have you ever been to any of these places? If not then you aren't really
> "keithr" <us...@domain.invalid> wrote in message news:ac08dv...@mid.individual.net...
>>> It is a safe and pleasant place to be, he said.
>>
>> I love Japan, I like spending time there, but I'd hate to think that I would have to
>> live there full time for the rest of my life.
>>
>>> Well Melbourne was like that once too. But what Mr. Kennett failed to
>>> mention however, is that Japan has had a continuing advantage that we no
>>> longer have... it is a Uni-cultural society.
>>
>> The Japanese are completely intolerant of anybody who doesn't conform, they have a
>> saying that the nail that sticks up must be hammered down, and they mean it too.
>
> Japan is well organised, we should be like them , double the number of public holidays and
> get very pissed twice a week.
> China is very powerful, we should be like them , population control , rampant corruption
> and saturated with waste.
> The USA is rich and powerful, we should be like them , death penalty, nuclear weapons,
> space program
qualified to comment.
> So, who are we and what are we notable for? Does anyone really care?
> We are somewhat united, we are realtively isolated and secure, we are quite obscenely
> wealthy, relatively.
> What is enough?
> Maybe we could do our own thing and not really give a toss what others think, they really
> don't give a LOT of thought to us anyway.
Australian lifestyle is far better, and this is from somebody who has
been there and done that.
Rod Speed
Sep 23, 2012, 3:43:59 PM9/23/12
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"keithr" <us...@domain.invalid> wrote in message
get a much better idea about some of the detail like the history by not
visiting and reading what decent historians have to say rather than
listening
to what the locals have to say about what has happened in the past.
For example, if you have been to North Korea, you won't have got much
of an idea at all about what that police state can get up to except at the
most superficial level like with staged parades etc, but you can get a
MUCH better idea of how that country operates from outside the country.
>> So, who are we and what are we notable for? Does anyone really care?
>> We are somewhat united, we are realtively isolated and secure, we are
>> quite obscenely
>> wealthy, relatively.
>> What is enough?
>> Maybe we could do our own thing and not really give a toss what others
>> think, they really
>> don't give a LOT of thought to us anyway.
> Who cares what others think, compared to any of those places, the
> Australian lifestyle is far better, and this is from somebody who has been
> there and done that.
For example if you have an idea that can produce something like
facebook or google, you are MUCH more likely to be able to get
it into the position both of those are in today in the US than here.
Buzz^|
Sep 23, 2012, 11:37:00 PM9/23/12
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Tell me something. How many times have you been the FIRST white person
ever seen by kids? How about not seeing a person of the same colour for
a week or so?
Do yourself a favour and speak with a misho that has spent time in the
remote areas here, there are plenty about. When you say there are no
mono cultures, you have never been outside of a city here.
SIL (Summer Institute of Linguistics) (US based) have a base in Kainantu
and should do some remote work. I have almost no contact with them so
they could give you an unbiased view. Do a google and if you can compose
a friendly and inquisitive email I am sure they would answer your
questions truthfully.
You seem to think that I am a racist or a hate monger for saying the
things I have. This is far from the truth. I share my observations with
you because you will never have the chance to see, or do the things I have.
It seems that you are showing the anger, because reality doesn't agree
with your politically correct, sculptured ideas. I don't know why you
stated the things you have, perhaps you are just ignorant.
Here's a challenge for you, turn up at the address in the sig, it's real
and is where I am sitting now. If you could make it a Thursday, that'd
be good and give me a chance to get ready for the weekend. I'll take you
into the wilds of the highlands, or the bush near Madang, or even the
bloody mountain goat territory around Wau. Bring an open mind, because
I won't be arguing the point at all during the weekend. Actually trying
to start an argument with me while in the bush would be just stupid, Far
too easy to end an argument out there. I'll take you to remote villages,
you can see the awe of the kids and the reactions of the villagers.
Every person that I have taken has been amazed and has returned for
more. I'll prove my point beyond all doubt, or I'll buy you another
return air ticket simple as that. I'm willing to back up my statements
with cold hard cash.
It'd be funny to watch you explain to the family that has adopted me
here just what a racist person I really am, especially my little
brother, you'd better brush up on your Tok pisin before you do though.
English isn't going to be much good to you, my PNG mother is a deaf mute
so it will be interesting indeed.
I've never had problems while in the highlands, the people there are
friendly and welcoming. Any problems I have had while adventuring, well
holidaying have been sorted out quickly and painlessly, for me anyway.
It's those that have the wrong attitude that get into trouble quickly,
and it's a good guide to my nature that I can tramp about in the places
I do and be welcomed back each time. I have done tour groups before and
find that people that you would think are intelligent, do some stupid,
stupid things. Actually thinking about your reply, it'd be funnier and
more entertaining for me to just to take you to a village I've never
been to before and see how you get on.
Some guys were here earlier this year for a bike race, as a warm up they
did the Ramu - Betty's lodge ride. As seen on "By Any Means" well the
did it from Ramu to Betty's on the first day, 4 got separated from the
group and had to stop along the way due to darkness. This is any person
that has read the lonely planet guide book's worst nightmare, stranded
in remote Chimbu area, with only a day pack and a motocross bike with
no lights.
I'm glad to report that after being invited to stay in one of the locals
houses they were fed and given a bed for the night, they continued their
journey at daylight and caught up with the group at Betty's Lodge.
Sounds interesting but tame. Well the meal was mystery meat, (no cows or
sheep there and it wasn't pork.) they decided it was either dog or
guinea pig, and the bed was 6 inches above the backs of the pigs in the
pen below. The pigs weren't real keen on the strangers spending the
night and had a bit of a restless night as well. Just about every house
outside the town is bush material, grass or palm leaf roofs and not a
nail to be found. They were cheerful genuine guys and so they had a
great time, and oh what a story they have to share back in Un Zud.
Just went outside the office to see a customer at the counter, he's a
regular. Today he has his wife and 3 kids with him. There were 3
different reactions from his 3 kids. The youngest would be about 1 month
(I'm no expert), no reaction, didn't expect one. She did smile when I
was within a foot of her face and she recognised the attributes of a
face. The second youngest bolted, probably 3 or so, followed by his
older brother in pursuit. The 3yo must have been too young to remember
his last visit but the older one 5yo, remembered and soon returned with
his nervous 3yo brother.
The older one knew what happened on his last visit, the scary whiteman
comes out with his hand behind his back, when the child reacts, either
way, then the whiteman smiles and will produce a jar of sweats and let
the kids take a couple. The older brother had gone after his younger
brother out the door so the younger wouldn't miss out on the treat, and
to show he knew the game I was playing. His dad who has seen it before
is amused with what happens and I have never had a customer upset when I
come out with a sweet for the children. Different culture here. This was
NOW, and is not just some one-off that happened. I've done this
experiment here for the last 8 or so years. Started with the staff's
kids being petrified of me at first for no apparent reason other than my
colour.
Little Troy outside (oh hang on isn't that my adult brother in
Austrailia's name too, that family must think I'm a racist bastard, why
didn't I see it all before! Oh and his niece is my mother's name, and
all those little Brad's [no genetic link], I knew I had no respect here.
Not to mention the Office lady naming her boy Leyden [again no genetics]
because there were already too many Brad's about, tragic that, do a
search for "MV Rabaul Queen passenger list" number 8 on that list 2 yo)
went through the the stages I have described too, he's 3 now and will
even have conversations with me now, but it did take a while.
It's the same as some kids are afraid of Clowns or Santa, I know about
that too. Is that Santaism or clownism, it's not hate, it's primal fear.
Well the clown that gets about at the Lae show is a rather scary
character anyway ;-} Monster clown they call him. It's the same thing,
something strange. On that note, Monster Clown won't be doing much at
the show this year as his alter ego will be flying the blimp. Perhaps a
few laps of the grounds early in the day.
Funniest reaction to "Monster Clown" was actually some Japanese
tourists. After the initial shock wore off, poor old clown almost had
welding flash from all the photos being taken.
Roddles could come along too. I'm sure there's some cannibals left
somewhere.
Rod Speed
Sep 24, 2012, 1:11:20 AM9/24/12
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Buzz^| <bradl...@spammail.com> wrote
> terryc wrote
>> Buzz^| wrote
just unusual for little kids. When you see the same
reaction to dogs with kids that don't have dogs
themselves, that clearly has NOTHING to do with race.
> How about not seeing a person of the same colour for a week or so?
Ditto.
> Do yourself a favour and speak with a misho that has spent time in the
> remote areas here, there are plenty about.
No need when you cant grasp that what kids
react to is anything unusual for them, not race.
> When you say there are no mono cultures,
He didn't say that, I did.
> you have never been outside of a city here.
There arent any of those there either, the tribal differences
just arent as obvious as with racial differences.
> SIL (Summer Institute of Linguistics) (US based) have a base in Kainantu
> and should do some remote work. I have almost no contact with them so they
> could give you an unbiased view.
They are completely irrelevant if they haven't even noticed
that VERY common reaction to dogs that some little kids have.
> Do a google and if you can compose a friendly and inquisitive email I am
> sure they would answer your questions truthfully.
They haven't got any special expertise in what gets little kids wary,
so there are completely irrelevant to what we are discussing here.
> You seem to think that I am a racist or a hate monger for saying the
> things I have. This is far from the truth. I share my observations with
> you because you will never have the chance to see, or do the things I
> have.
But we can both see that you are mangling the real story completely.
Its whats different that little kids are reacting to, NOT race.
That's why you get the same effect with dogs that you are so mindlessly
claiming is due to the fact that you are white and the kids arent.
And you clearly have no real experience of little kids who grow
up in an environment where there are lots of kids of various races,
some who are so obviously a different race that even little kids
would notice if they care, and they don't when its other little kids.
> It seems that you are showing the anger,
He isnt showing any anger, and neither are you.
> because reality doesn't agree with your politically correct, sculptured
> ideas.
He knows you are just plain wrong.
So do I.
> I don't know why you stated the things you have, perhaps you are just
> ignorant.
He's actually right about your stupid claims about race and little kids.
> Here's a challenge for you, turn up at the address in the sig, it's real
> and is where I am sitting now. If you could make it a Thursday, that'd be
> good and give me a chance to get ready for the weekend. I'll take you into
> the wilds of the highlands, or the bush near Madang, or even the bloody
> mountain goat territory around Wau.
No point, you can't even grasp what little kids react to. Its not race.
> Bring an open mind, because I won't be arguing the point at all during the
> weekend. Actually trying to start an argument with me while in the bush
> would be just stupid, Far too easy to end an argument out there. I'll take
> you to remote villages, you can see the awe of the kids and the reactions
> of the villagers.
Doesn't prove a damned thing about what the LITTLE KIDS are
reacting to when we can show you how they react to dogs any time.
> Every person that I have taken has been amazed and has returned for more.
> I'll prove my point beyond all doubt,
What you propose won't do that. ALL it will show is that quite
a few little kids do react to difference. Doesn't prove that its
RACE that they are reacting to and we can prove that its not
by getting you to show up with some mask that's deliberately
designed to be like a black face and just with a frightening
appearance.
> or I'll buy you another return air ticket simple as that. I'm willing to
> back up my statements with cold hard cash.
I wouldn't bother unless you buy the ticket in advance
and put that in the hands of some dispassionate observer
in here who can decide if you have proven your stupid
claim about race and little kids.
> It'd be funny to watch you explain to the family that has adopted me here
> just what a racist person I really am, especially my little brother, you'd
> better brush up on your Tok pisin before you do though. English isn't
> going to be much good to you, my PNG mother is a deaf mute so it will be
> interesting indeed.
> I've never had problems while in the highlands, the people there are
> friendly and welcoming. Any problems I have had while adventuring, well
> holidaying have been sorted out quickly and painlessly, for me anyway.
Irrelevant to your stupid claim about little kids and race.
> It's those that have the wrong attitude that get into trouble quickly, and
> it's a good guide to my nature that I can tramp about in the places I do
> and be welcomed back each time. I have done tour groups before and find
> that people that you would think are intelligent, do some stupid, stupid
> things. Actually thinking about your reply, it'd be funnier and more
> entertaining for me to just to take you to a village I've never been to
> before and see how you get on.
Irrelevant to your stupid claim about little kids and race.
> Some guys were here earlier this year for a bike race, as a warm up they
> did the Ramu - Betty's lodge ride. As seen on "By Any Means" well the did
> it from Ramu to Betty's on the first day, 4 got separated from the group
> and had to stop along the way due to darkness. This is any person that has
> read the lonely planet guide book's worst nightmare, stranded in remote
> Chimbu area, with only a day pack and a motocross bike with no lights.
Irrelevant to your stupid claim about little kids and race.
> I'm glad to report that after being invited to stay in one of the locals
> houses they were fed and given a bed for the night, they continued their
> journey at daylight and caught up with the group at Betty's Lodge. Sounds
> interesting but tame. Well the meal was mystery meat, (no cows or sheep
> there and it wasn't pork.) they decided it was either dog or guinea pig,
> and the bed was 6 inches above the backs of the pigs in the pen below. The
> pigs weren't real keen on the strangers spending the night and had a bit
> of a restless night as well. Just about every house outside the town is
> bush material, grass or palm leaf roofs and not a nail to be found. They
> were cheerful genuine guys and so they had a great time, and oh what a
> story they have to share back in Un Zud.
Irrelevant to your stupid claim about little kids and race.
> Just went outside the office to see a customer at the counter, he's a
> regular. Today he has his wife and 3 kids with him. There were 3 different
> reactions from his 3 kids. The youngest would be about 1 month (I'm no
> expert), no reaction, didn't expect one.
You should have got one if little kids really do
instinctively react to race as you originally claimed.
> She did smile when I was within a foot of her face and she recognised the
> attributes of a face.
Babys arent short sighted.
> The second youngest bolted, probably 3 or so, followed by his older
> brother in pursuit. The 3yo must have been too young to remember his last
> visit but the older one 5yo, remembered and soon returned with his nervous
> 3yo brother.
And you would have got the same reaction if there had been
a dog there instead of you, and they didn't have dogs of their
own and none of the neighbours had dogs.
> The older one knew what happened on his last visit, the scary whiteman
> comes out with his hand behind his back, when the child reacts, either
> way, then the whiteman smiles and will produce a jar of sweats and let the
> kids take a couple. The older brother had gone after his younger brother
> out the door so the younger wouldn't miss out on the treat, and to show he
> knew the game I was playing. His dad who has seen it before is amused with
> what happens and I have never had a customer upset when I come out with a
> sweet for the children. Different culture here. This was NOW, and is not
> just some one-off that happened. I've done this experiment here for the
> last 8 or so years. Started with the staff's kids being petrified of me at
> first for no apparent reason other than my colour.
They would react the same way if it was a dog and they had no
experience of dogs, so it isnt race, its just something different.
> Little Troy outside (oh hang on isn't that my adult brother in
> Austrailia's name too, that family must think I'm a racist bastard, why
> didn't I see it all before! Oh and his niece is my mother's name, and all
> those little Brad's [no genetic link], I knew I had no respect here. Not
> to mention the Office lady naming her boy Leyden [again no genetics]
> because there were already too many Brad's about, tragic that, do a search
> for "MV Rabaul Queen passenger list" number 8 on that list 2 yo) went
> through the the stages I have described too, he's 3 now and will even have
> conversations with me now, but it did take a while.
Irrelevant to your stupid claim about little kids and race.
> It's the same as some kids are afraid of Clowns or Santa, I know about
> that too. Is that Santaism or clownism, it's not hate, it's primal fear.
And not RACISM, stupid.
> Well the clown that gets about at the Lae show is a rather scary character
> anyway ;-} Monster clown they call him. It's the same thing, something
> strange.
So your stupid claim about RACISM and little kids has blown
up in your face and covered you with black stuff, again.
> On that note, Monster Clown won't be doing much at the show this year as
> his alter ego will be flying the blimp. Perhaps a few laps of the grounds
> early in the day.
> Funniest reaction to "Monster Clown" was actually some Japanese tourists.
> After the initial shock wore off, poor old clown almost had welding flash
> from all the photos being taken.
> Roddles could come along too. I'm sure there's some cannibals left
> somewhere.
They wouldn't have the balls to try eating me.
> terryc wrote
>> Buzz^| wrote
>>> terryc wrote
>>> So you live in a mono culture then?
>> Assumption wrong, so bile ignored.
>> Go spew your self loathing somewhere else. Your rage is futile.
> No rage, far from it actually.
> Tell me something. How many times have you been the FIRST white person
> ever seen by kids?
You keep massively confusing race and whats
>>> So you live in a mono culture then?
>> Assumption wrong, so bile ignored.
>> Go spew your self loathing somewhere else. Your rage is futile.
> No rage, far from it actually.
> Tell me something. How many times have you been the FIRST white person
> ever seen by kids?
just unusual for little kids. When you see the same
reaction to dogs with kids that don't have dogs
themselves, that clearly has NOTHING to do with race.
> How about not seeing a person of the same colour for a week or so?
> Do yourself a favour and speak with a misho that has spent time in the
> remote areas here, there are plenty about.
react to is anything unusual for them, not race.
> When you say there are no mono cultures,
> you have never been outside of a city here.
just arent as obvious as with racial differences.
> SIL (Summer Institute of Linguistics) (US based) have a base in Kainantu
> and should do some remote work. I have almost no contact with them so they
> could give you an unbiased view.
that VERY common reaction to dogs that some little kids have.
> Do a google and if you can compose a friendly and inquisitive email I am
> sure they would answer your questions truthfully.
so there are completely irrelevant to what we are discussing here.
> You seem to think that I am a racist or a hate monger for saying the
> things I have. This is far from the truth. I share my observations with
> you because you will never have the chance to see, or do the things I
> have.
Its whats different that little kids are reacting to, NOT race.
That's why you get the same effect with dogs that you are so mindlessly
claiming is due to the fact that you are white and the kids arent.
And you clearly have no real experience of little kids who grow
up in an environment where there are lots of kids of various races,
some who are so obviously a different race that even little kids
would notice if they care, and they don't when its other little kids.
> It seems that you are showing the anger,
> because reality doesn't agree with your politically correct, sculptured
> ideas.
So do I.
> I don't know why you stated the things you have, perhaps you are just
> ignorant.
> Here's a challenge for you, turn up at the address in the sig, it's real
> and is where I am sitting now. If you could make it a Thursday, that'd be
> good and give me a chance to get ready for the weekend. I'll take you into
> the wilds of the highlands, or the bush near Madang, or even the bloody
> mountain goat territory around Wau.
> Bring an open mind, because I won't be arguing the point at all during the
> weekend. Actually trying to start an argument with me while in the bush
> would be just stupid, Far too easy to end an argument out there. I'll take
> you to remote villages, you can see the awe of the kids and the reactions
> of the villagers.
reacting to when we can show you how they react to dogs any time.
> Every person that I have taken has been amazed and has returned for more.
> I'll prove my point beyond all doubt,
a few little kids do react to difference. Doesn't prove that its
RACE that they are reacting to and we can prove that its not
by getting you to show up with some mask that's deliberately
designed to be like a black face and just with a frightening
appearance.
> or I'll buy you another return air ticket simple as that. I'm willing to
> back up my statements with cold hard cash.
and put that in the hands of some dispassionate observer
in here who can decide if you have proven your stupid
claim about race and little kids.
> It'd be funny to watch you explain to the family that has adopted me here
> just what a racist person I really am, especially my little brother, you'd
> better brush up on your Tok pisin before you do though. English isn't
> going to be much good to you, my PNG mother is a deaf mute so it will be
> interesting indeed.
> I've never had problems while in the highlands, the people there are
> friendly and welcoming. Any problems I have had while adventuring, well
> holidaying have been sorted out quickly and painlessly, for me anyway.
> It's those that have the wrong attitude that get into trouble quickly, and
> it's a good guide to my nature that I can tramp about in the places I do
> and be welcomed back each time. I have done tour groups before and find
> that people that you would think are intelligent, do some stupid, stupid
> things. Actually thinking about your reply, it'd be funnier and more
> entertaining for me to just to take you to a village I've never been to
> before and see how you get on.
> Some guys were here earlier this year for a bike race, as a warm up they
> did the Ramu - Betty's lodge ride. As seen on "By Any Means" well the did
> it from Ramu to Betty's on the first day, 4 got separated from the group
> and had to stop along the way due to darkness. This is any person that has
> read the lonely planet guide book's worst nightmare, stranded in remote
> Chimbu area, with only a day pack and a motocross bike with no lights.
> I'm glad to report that after being invited to stay in one of the locals
> houses they were fed and given a bed for the night, they continued their
> journey at daylight and caught up with the group at Betty's Lodge. Sounds
> interesting but tame. Well the meal was mystery meat, (no cows or sheep
> there and it wasn't pork.) they decided it was either dog or guinea pig,
> and the bed was 6 inches above the backs of the pigs in the pen below. The
> pigs weren't real keen on the strangers spending the night and had a bit
> of a restless night as well. Just about every house outside the town is
> bush material, grass or palm leaf roofs and not a nail to be found. They
> were cheerful genuine guys and so they had a great time, and oh what a
> story they have to share back in Un Zud.
> Just went outside the office to see a customer at the counter, he's a
> regular. Today he has his wife and 3 kids with him. There were 3 different
> reactions from his 3 kids. The youngest would be about 1 month (I'm no
> expert), no reaction, didn't expect one.
instinctively react to race as you originally claimed.
> She did smile when I was within a foot of her face and she recognised the
> attributes of a face.
> The second youngest bolted, probably 3 or so, followed by his older
> brother in pursuit. The 3yo must have been too young to remember his last
> visit but the older one 5yo, remembered and soon returned with his nervous
> 3yo brother.
a dog there instead of you, and they didn't have dogs of their
own and none of the neighbours had dogs.
> The older one knew what happened on his last visit, the scary whiteman
> comes out with his hand behind his back, when the child reacts, either
> way, then the whiteman smiles and will produce a jar of sweats and let the
> kids take a couple. The older brother had gone after his younger brother
> out the door so the younger wouldn't miss out on the treat, and to show he
> knew the game I was playing. His dad who has seen it before is amused with
> what happens and I have never had a customer upset when I come out with a
> sweet for the children. Different culture here. This was NOW, and is not
> just some one-off that happened. I've done this experiment here for the
> last 8 or so years. Started with the staff's kids being petrified of me at
> first for no apparent reason other than my colour.
experience of dogs, so it isnt race, its just something different.
> Little Troy outside (oh hang on isn't that my adult brother in
> Austrailia's name too, that family must think I'm a racist bastard, why
> didn't I see it all before! Oh and his niece is my mother's name, and all
> those little Brad's [no genetic link], I knew I had no respect here. Not
> to mention the Office lady naming her boy Leyden [again no genetics]
> because there were already too many Brad's about, tragic that, do a search
> for "MV Rabaul Queen passenger list" number 8 on that list 2 yo) went
> through the the stages I have described too, he's 3 now and will even have
> conversations with me now, but it did take a while.
> It's the same as some kids are afraid of Clowns or Santa, I know about
> that too. Is that Santaism or clownism, it's not hate, it's primal fear.
> Well the clown that gets about at the Lae show is a rather scary character
> anyway ;-} Monster clown they call him. It's the same thing, something
> strange.
up in your face and covered you with black stuff, again.
> On that note, Monster Clown won't be doing much at the show this year as
> his alter ego will be flying the blimp. Perhaps a few laps of the grounds
> early in the day.
> Funniest reaction to "Monster Clown" was actually some Japanese tourists.
> After the initial shock wore off, poor old clown almost had welding flash
> from all the photos being taken.
> Roddles could come along too. I'm sure there's some cannibals left
> somewhere.
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