mobile phone battery

[fredeee]

My Nokia mobile phone only charges to 1 bar even when having been charged
for several hours.

What does this indicate? Is the battery simply dead? What could have
caused this?

[flatula...@deadspam.com]

On Mon, 20 May 2013 16:20:39 +0800 fredeee wrote:-

New battery needed.

[Rodwell]

I could be the battery, the charger or the phone (but probably the battery).

Do you have access to another Nokia charger to eliminate that as the cause?

Do you have access to similar Nokia phone/battery to eliminate those as
the cause?

[Damian]

"fredeee" <sef_m...@newslink.com> wrote in message
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What is the phone model?

[keithr]

Phone batteries have a finite lifetime.

[Petzl]

On Mon, 20 May 2013 22:29:13 +1000, keithr <us...@domain.invalid>
wrote:

Goodplace to check for a new Nokia one is "Big W"
--
Petzl
I started with nothing and I am proud to say I still have most of it left

[Rod Speed]

"Petzl" <pet...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 20 May 2013 22:29:13 +1000, keithr <us...@domain.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>>On 20/05/2013 6:20 PM, fredeee wrote:
>>> My Nokia mobile phone only charges to 1 bar even when having been
>>> charged for several hours.
>>>
>>> What does this indicate? Is the battery simply dead? What could have
>>> caused this?
>>
>>Phone batteries have a finite lifetime.
>
> Goodplace to check for a new Nokia one is "Big W"

MUCH cheaper on the net.

That's one thing I have always loved about Nokias,
they use very few battery designs, so they are always
readily available and dirt cheap.

[F Murtz]

$2 to $5 for my htc diamond and lasted just as long as original.
The nokias were a little bit dearer but a fraction of what they cost at
the phone shop.

[felix_unger]

On 21-May-2013 5:56 AM, Rod Speed wrote:
>
>
> "Petzl" <pet...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:2p6kp8ttfu7id0r5l...@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 20 May 2013 22:29:13 +1000, keithr <us...@domain.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 20/05/2013 6:20 PM, fredeee wrote:
>>>> My Nokia mobile phone only charges to 1 bar even when having been
>>>> charged for several hours.
>>>>
>>>> What does this indicate? Is the battery simply dead? What could have
>>>> caused this?
>>>
>>> Phone batteries have a finite lifetime.
>>
>> Goodplace to check for a new Nokia one is "Big W"
>
> MUCH cheaper on the net.

a lot of the generic ones you get on eBay are crap tho

>
> That's one thing I have always loved about Nokias,
> they use very few battery designs, so they are always
> readily available and dirt cheap.

--
rgds,

Pete
-------
"If Julia is the answer, then what was the stupid question!"

[Rod Speed]

"F Murtz" <hag...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Rod Speed wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Petzl" <pet...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:2p6kp8ttfu7id0r5l...@4ax.com...
>>> On Mon, 20 May 2013 22:29:13 +1000, keithr <us...@domain.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 20/05/2013 6:20 PM, fredeee wrote:
>>>>> My Nokia mobile phone only charges to 1 bar even when having been
>>>>> charged for several hours.
>>>>>
>>>>> What does this indicate? Is the battery simply dead? What could have
>>>>> caused this?
>>>>
>>>> Phone batteries have a finite lifetime.
>>>
>>> Goodplace to check for a new Nokia one is "Big W"
>>
>> MUCH cheaper on the net.
>>
>> That's one thing I have always loved about Nokias,
>> they use very few battery designs, so they are always
>> readily available and dirt cheap.

> $2 to $5 for my htc diamond and lasted just as long as original.

$2 for the N95.

I never did have any of the Nokia batterys die, and I kept each one for
years too.

> The nokias were a little bit dearer but a fraction of what they cost at
> the phone shop.

Yeah, so cheap from the net that the price is academic.

[Rod Speed]

"felix_unger" <m...@nothere.com> wrote in message
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> On 21-May-2013 5:56 AM, Rod Speed wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Petzl" <pet...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:2p6kp8ttfu7id0r5l...@4ax.com...
>>> On Mon, 20 May 2013 22:29:13 +1000, keithr <us...@domain.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 20/05/2013 6:20 PM, fredeee wrote:
>>>>> My Nokia mobile phone only charges to 1 bar even when having been
>>>>> charged for several hours.
>>>>>
>>>>> What does this indicate? Is the battery simply dead? What could have
>>>>> caused this?
>>>>
>>>> Phone batteries have a finite lifetime.
>>>
>>> Goodplace to check for a new Nokia one is "Big W"
>>
>> MUCH cheaper on the net.

> a lot of the generic ones you get on eBay are crap tho

Haven't had any problem with any I have got.

And that includes a double capacity battery for the laptop too.

[Geoff]

>
>> a lot of the generic ones you get on eBay are crap tho
>
> Haven't had any problem with any I have got.
>
> And that includes a double capacity battery for the laptop
> too.
>

My missus needs a new battery for her Toshiba laptop. Last one I
bought from ebay lasted 6 months. Have you a link for the vendor
you have successfully used please?

[Rod Speed]

"Geoff" <pub...@email.com> wrote in message
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Fraid not, that one is in an email on a machine whose hard drive
fell on its face and I havent got around to recovering the old emails
off that machine.

That was a few years ago now that I bought it. I have found that
with stuff I try to buy again a few years later, that earlier supplier
I was happy with is long gone. Just discovered that with cheap
glasses from china.

[F Murtz]

Office in Chatswood,glasses from China.
http://omnioptics.com.au/

[Rod Speed]

"F Murtz" <hag...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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I ended up with these
https://www.zennioptical.com/#?nav_cat_id=2&q=710511&navused=1
I particularly wanted the plastic nose bridge with metal
frame rather than the pair of plastic things on little stalks.

The tracking says it should show up today.

[Rod Speed]

"Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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And it did. They are hopeless tho, the vertical legs of the
saddle bridge don�t even contact the metal frame at all.
The only connection with the metal frame is at the top,
the horizontal part of the bridge. That�s not going to
last very long with the legs in contact with the nose
grease all the time.

Their returns system is fucked too. They will give you
a 50% discount on the replacement if you don�t like
what they supplied, but you have to return the ones
you didn�t like to the US and that costs most of the
discount.

Main saving grace is that they are so cheap that
its not big deal. I did get them to give me the
50% discount on a new pair without having to
return anything and I did plan to get a tinted
pair if the first one was satisfactory, so I just
ordered a new pair with tint. The frame was
half the price of the saddle bridge pair,
otherwise very similar in appearance.

No big deal, they are both for use when out
of the house and I will only be wearing the
non tinted ones after dark so they should
last fine since I don�t do that very often.

[Petzl]

>saddle bridge donīŋŊt even contact the metal frame at all.

>The only connection with the metal frame is at the top,

>the horizontal part of the bridge. ThatīŋŊs not going to

>last very long with the legs in contact with the nose
>grease all the time.
>
>Their returns system is fucked too. They will give you

>a 50% discount on the replacement if you donīŋŊt like

>what they supplied, but you have to return the ones

>you didnīŋŊt like to the US and that costs most of the

>discount.
>
>Main saving grace is that they are so cheap that
>its not big deal. I did get them to give me the
>50% discount on a new pair without having to
>return anything and I did plan to get a tinted
>pair if the first one was satisfactory, so I just
>ordered a new pair with tint. The frame was
>half the price of the saddle bridge pair,
>otherwise very similar in appearance.
>
>No big deal, they are both for use when out
>of the house and I will only be wearing the
>non tinted ones after dark so they should

>last fine since I donīŋŊt do that very often.

I use
http://www.ausspecs.com.au/
so far no problems and I buy the cheapest model

[F Murtz]

>> saddle bridge don�t even contact the metal frame at all.

>> The only connection with the metal frame is at the top,

>> the horizontal part of the bridge. That�s not going to

>> last very long with the legs in contact with the nose
>> grease all the time.
>>
>> Their returns system is fucked too. They will give you

>> a 50% discount on the replacement if you don�t like

>> what they supplied, but you have to return the ones

>> you didn�t like to the US and that costs most of the

>> discount.
>>
>> Main saving grace is that they are so cheap that
>> its not big deal. I did get them to give me the
>> 50% discount on a new pair without having to
>> return anything and I did plan to get a tinted
>> pair if the first one was satisfactory, so I just
>> ordered a new pair with tint. The frame was
>> half the price of the saddle bridge pair,
>> otherwise very similar in appearance.
>>
>> No big deal, they are both for use when out
>> of the house and I will only be wearing the
>> non tinted ones after dark so they should

>> last fine since I don�t do that very often.

>
> I use
> http://www.ausspecs.com.au/
> so far no problems and I buy the cheapest model
>

The ones I use for tv cost $18 including delivery.
The bifocals (use when driving) cost $45 or so.

[Rod Speed]

"Petzl" <pet...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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>>saddle bridge don't even contact the metal frame at all.

>>The only connection with the metal frame is at the top,

>>the horizontal part of the bridge. That's not going to

>>last very long with the legs in contact with the nose
>>grease all the time.
>>
>>Their returns system is fucked too. They will give you

>>a 50% discount on the replacement if you don't like

>>what they supplied, but you have to return the ones

>>you didn't like to the US and that costs most of the

>>discount.
>>
>>Main saving grace is that they are so cheap that
>>its not big deal. I did get them to give me the
>>50% discount on a new pair without having to
>>return anything and I did plan to get a tinted
>>pair if the first one was satisfactory, so I just
>>ordered a new pair with tint. The frame was
>>half the price of the saddle bridge pair,
>>otherwise very similar in appearance.
>>
>>No big deal, they are both for use when out
>>of the house and I will only be wearing the
>>non tinted ones after dark so they should

>>last fine since I don't do that very often.

> I use
> http://www.ausspecs.com.au/
> so far no problems and I buy the cheapest model

The cheapest chinese are much cheaper than that.

No problems with the ones I had before that.

[Petzl]

On Wed, 22 May 2013 12:45:41 +1000, "Rod Speed"

These are posted from Hong Kong
The add $10 for "postage"
This is my 2nd pair from their special basket

[Rod Speed]

"Petzl" <pet...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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Mine came from Danyang (jiangsu)

> The add $10 for "postage"

Only cost me $10 for Toll, full tracking 5 days including a weekend.

[Damian]

"Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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>
>
> "felix_unger" <m...@nothere.com> wrote in message
> news:avvqg1...@mid.individual.net...
>> On 21-May-2013 5:56 AM, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Petzl" <pet...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:2p6kp8ttfu7id0r5l...@4ax.com...
>>>> On Mon, 20 May 2013 22:29:13 +1000, keithr <us...@domain.invalid>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 20/05/2013 6:20 PM, fredeee wrote:
>>>>>> My Nokia mobile phone only charges to 1 bar even when having been
>>>>>> charged for several hours.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What does this indicate? Is the battery simply dead? What could
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> caused this?
>>>>>
>>>>> Phone batteries have a finite lifetime.
>>>>
>>>> Goodplace to check for a new Nokia one is "Big W"
>>>
>>> MUCH cheaper on the net.
>
>> a lot of the generic ones you get on eBay are crap tho
>
> Haven't had any problem with any I have got.
>

Actually, I had fair bit of problems with those generic ones on ebay. Couple
of them I bought was far worse than the dying battery. When I whinged about
it, they send a replacement, and that was the same.
I think you need some luck, not to end up with crappy cloned batteries.

[Petzl]

On Wed, 22 May 2013 15:43:04 +1000, "Damian"
<damian...@y7mail.com> wrote:

>>> a lot of the generic ones you get on eBay are crap tho
>>
>> Haven't had any problem with any I have got.
>>
>
>Actually, I had fair bit of problems with those generic ones on ebay. Couple
>of them I bought was far worse than the dying battery. When I whinged about
>it, they send a replacement, and that was the same.
>I think you need some luck, not to end up with crappy cloned batteries.

Never had one the exact size and they "fit" loose

[Rod Speed]

"Damian" <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:avvtee...@mid.individual.net...
>>
>>
>> "felix_unger" <m...@nothere.com> wrote in message
>> news:avvqg1...@mid.individual.net...
>>> On 21-May-2013 5:56 AM, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Petzl" <pet...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:2p6kp8ttfu7id0r5l...@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Mon, 20 May 2013 22:29:13 +1000, keithr <us...@domain.invalid>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 20/05/2013 6:20 PM, fredeee wrote:
>>>>>>> My Nokia mobile phone only charges to 1 bar even when having been
>>>>>>> charged for several hours.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What does this indicate? Is the battery simply dead? What could
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> caused this?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Phone batteries have a finite lifetime.
>>>>>
>>>>> Goodplace to check for a new Nokia one is "Big W"
>>>>
>>>> MUCH cheaper on the net.
>>
>>> a lot of the generic ones you get on eBay are crap tho
>>
>> Haven't had any problem with any I have got.

> Actually, I had fair bit of problems with those generic ones on ebay.

I didn�t get them off ebay.

> Couple of them I bought was far worse than the dying battery. When I
> whinged about it, they send a replacement, and that was the same.
> I think you need some luck, not to end up with crappy cloned batteries.

Nope, just enough of a clue to check the feedback if you use ebay.

[Rod Speed]

"Petzl" <pet...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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> On Wed, 22 May 2013 15:43:04 +1000, "Damian"
> <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote:
>
>>>> a lot of the generic ones you get on eBay are crap tho
>>>
>>> Haven't had any problem with any I have got.
>>>
>>
>>Actually, I had fair bit of problems with those generic ones on ebay.
>>Couple
>>of them I bought was far worse than the dying battery. When I whinged
>>about
>>it, they send a replacement, and that was the same.
>>I think you need some luck, not to end up with crappy cloned batteries.
>
> Never had one the exact size and they "fit" loose

All the ones I have got have been just as good as the original.

[Damian]

"Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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>
>
> "Damian" <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote in message
> news:knhln6$k41$1...@dont-email.me...
>>
>> "Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:avvtee...@mid.individual.net...
>>>
>>>
>>> "felix_unger" <m...@nothere.com> wrote in message
>>> news:avvqg1...@mid.individual.net...
>>>> On 21-May-2013 5:56 AM, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Petzl" <pet...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:2p6kp8ttfu7id0r5l...@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Mon, 20 May 2013 22:29:13 +1000, keithr <us...@domain.invalid>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 20/05/2013 6:20 PM, fredeee wrote:
>>>>>>>> My Nokia mobile phone only charges to 1 bar even when having been
>>>>>>>> charged for several hours.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What does this indicate? Is the battery simply dead? What could
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>> caused this?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Phone batteries have a finite lifetime.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Goodplace to check for a new Nokia one is "Big W"
>>>>>
>>>>> MUCH cheaper on the net.
>>>
>>>> a lot of the generic ones you get on eBay are crap tho
>>>
>>> Haven't had any problem with any I have got.
>
>> Actually, I had fair bit of problems with those generic ones on ebay.
>

> I didn�t get them off ebay.

>
>> Couple of them I bought was far worse than the dying battery. When I
>> whinged about it, they send a replacement, and that was the same.
>> I think you need some luck, not to end up with crappy cloned batteries.
>
> Nope, just enough of a clue to check the feedback if you use ebay.
>

That's good one. I sometime tend to ignore it for cheap buys.

[Damian]

"Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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Mine were from a local supplier, on ebay. There are plenty of them on ebay.

[F Murtz]

Same here.

[Rod Speed]

"Damian" <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote in message

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I can't see even a single supplier of PRESCRIPTION glasses on ebay
currently.

The only ones there are only supply the frames, not the lenses.

[F Murtz]

he is probably talking about reading glasses which you can get from two
dollar shops without bothering with ebay.

[Rod Speed]

"F Murtz" <hag...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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Yeah, very likely.

> which you can get from two dollar shops without bothering with ebay.

True.

[Petzl]

http://www.ausspecs.com.au/
They do both and so far good quality
I suspect your "optometrist" gets them from same place at 100 times
the cost
Canceled my payment to my private fund for specs and save $400 a year
The specs I have from Ausspecs reading I bought must be 3 years ago
They are tough

[Rod Speed]

Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote

> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote

>>>>>>>>> I use
>>>>>>>>> http://www.ausspecs.com.au/
>>>>>>>>> so far no problems and I buy the cheapest model

>>>>>>>> The cheapest chinese are much cheaper than that.

>>>>>>>> No problems with the ones I had before that.

>>>>>>> These are posted from Hong Kong

>>>>>> Mine came from Danyang (jiangsu)

>>>>>>> The add $10 for "postage"

>>>>>> Only cost me $10 for Toll, full tracking 5 days including a weekend.

>>>>>>> This is my 2nd pair from their special basket

>>>>> Mine were from a local supplier, on ebay. There are plenty of them on
>>>>> ebay.

>>>> I can't see even a single supplier of PRESCRIPTION glasses on ebay
>>>> currently.

>>>> The only ones there are only supply the frames, not the lenses.

>>> he is probably talking about reading glasses

>> Yeah, very likely.

>>> which you can get from two dollar shops without bothering with ebay.

>>True.

> http://www.ausspecs.com.au/

That's considerably more expensive than
http://omnioptics.com.au/cheap-glasses/

> They do both and so far good quality

> I suspect your "optometrist" gets them from same place at 100 times the
> cost

I doubt it, the frames are quite different.

> Canceled my payment to my private fund for specs and save $400 a year

I never had that and don't have health insurance either.

> The specs I have from Ausspecs reading I bought must be 3 years ago

I know that the last chinese lot I got was a little more than that ago
because I know I got them just after the last eye test and that was
just more than 3 years ago.

> They are tough

I'm not hard on glasses. I kept relensing the OPSMs
that I used to get before I changed over to the dirt
cheap chinese glasses and those must have lasted
at least 35 years fine. Metal frame tho.

Still have them, cant get the nose bridges for them anymore.

[keithr]

You just have to work for the right people, my employer pays my health
fund and they pay for my specs, proper ones, not el cheapo Chinese ones.

[Petzl]

On Thu, 23 May 2013 21:52:18 +1000, keithr <us...@domain.invalid>
wrote:

>>>> True.
>>
>>> http://www.ausspecs.com.au/
>>
>> That's considerably more expensive than
>> http://omnioptics.com.au/cheap-glasses/
>>
>>> They do both and so far good quality
>>
>>> I suspect your "optometrist" gets them from same place at 100 times
>>> the cost
>>
>> I doubt it, the frames are quite different.
>>
>>> Canceled my payment to my private fund for specs and save $400 a year
>>
>> I never had that and don't have health insurance either.
>
>You just have to work for the right people, my employer pays my health
>fund and they pay for my specs, proper ones, not el cheapo Chinese ones.

I [aiad over $500 for specs from here
http://www.eyecareplus.com.au/campbelltown/index.htm
I had to wait over a week to get them
After a week a lens fell out they charged me $50 to replace it
CRAP I deduced
Thats when I tried Ausspecs and the whole set cost me $40
Delivered in a week to my letter box (from Hong Kong)
--
Petzl
In Australia Christianity is important not because of the power it wields, but because of the power it denies others!
The only Legally defined God in Australia is our Christian God, whose compound redemptive name is Lord Jesus Christ.
Our Christian Constitution demands our political representatives need to be able to make oaths to our legally defined Christian God

[Rod Speed]

"keithr" <us...@domain.invalid> wrote in message
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Pity its such shit 'work'

> my employer pays my health fund and they pay for my specs, proper ones,
> not el cheapo Chinese ones.

Not interested in that shit 'work' just to get stupid
ripoff glasses which don't work anything like as well
as the chinese ones. Mate of mine was stupid enough
to end up paying most of a $1K by the time they
actually ended up with something useable and
they were steaming turds compared with mine.

[F Murtz]

Where does he think the "proper ones" get their frames from?

[Petzl]

One company I worked at does this because those with glasses need them
with "splash" shields working with chemicals.
But yes looked low quality to me also

[Rod Speed]

"F Murtz" <hag...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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True.

[keithr]

ROFL, still willing to jump in blind and look stupid. You never learn do
you? Still making the same stupid mistakes that you did in 1992.

>> my employer pays my health fund and they pay for my specs, proper
>> ones, not el cheapo Chinese ones.
>
> Not interested in that shit 'work' just to get stupid
> ripoff glasses which don't work anything like as well
> as the chinese ones. Mate of mine was stupid enough
> to end up paying most of a $1K by the time they
> actually ended up with something useable and
> they were steaming turds compared with mine.

I've paid nothing for my last 4 pairs and no complaints with any of
them. They're all reading glasses, a pair with transition lenses for use
out doors, and I can keep a pair in the office, the bedroom and the car too.

I'm not interested in tatting around garage sales for crap to flog on
Ebay, I've got far more interesting and rewarding stuff to do.

[keithr]

Europe actually.

[keithr]

On 24/05/2013 12:38 PM, F Murtz wrote:

And the lenses from Japan.

[Rod Speed]

"keithr" <us...@domain.invalid> wrote in message

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You never ever could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.

>>> my employer pays my health fund and they pay for my specs, proper
>>> ones, not el cheapo Chinese ones.
>>
>> Not interested in that shit 'work' just to get stupid
>> ripoff glasses which don't work anything like as well
>> as the chinese ones. Mate of mine was stupid enough
>> to end up paying most of a $1K by the time they
>> actually ended up with something useable and
>> they were steaming turds compared with mine.

> I've paid nothing for my last 4 pairs and no complaints with any of them.
> They're all reading glasses, a pair with transition lenses for use out
> doors, and I can keep a pair in the office, the bedroom and the car too.

Pity about the shit 'work' you had to do to get those free.

[Rod Speed]

"keithr" <us...@domain.invalid> wrote in message

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Just another fool that's actually stupid enough to
do nothing but shit 'work' so he gets shit that is no
better than anything else for free.

Hook line and fucking sinker.

[keithr]

Poor old roddles obviously never had a job that he enjoyed, then got
flushed from Canberra and had to become a geriatric Steptoe tatting
round garage sales for junk to sell on ebay.

I was glad to see that the el cheapo glasses that were all that you
could afford were so good, so much better than proper bought ones.

> The tracking says it should show up today.

> And it did. They are hopeless tho, the vertical legs of the
> saddle bridge don’t even contact the metal frame at all.
> The only connection with the metal frame is at the top,
> the horizontal part of the bridge. That’s not going to
> last very long with the legs in contact with the nose
> grease all the time.

> Their returns system is fucked too. They will give you
> a 50% discount on the replacement if you don’t like
> what they supplied, but you have to return the ones
> you didn’t like to the US and that costs most of the
> discount.

> Hook line and fucking sinker.

ROFL, there is a smell of dog shit around here, its coming from your ears.

[Rod Speed]

"keithr" <us...@domain.invalid> wrote in message

news:b0m6oh...@mid.individual.net...

There you go again, face down in the mud, as always.

<all the rest of your puerile shit any 2 year old could leave for dead
flushed where it belongs>

[keithr]

Just the usual reply when you don't have an answer - epic fail!

[Rod Speed]

Some fuckwit pom desperately cowering behind
keithr <us...@domain.invalid> wrote just the
puerile shit any 2 year old could leave for dead.

No wonder it got kicked out of pommyland.

[Clifford Heath]

On 22/05/13 17:52, Rod Speed wrote:
> All the ones I have got have been just as good as the original.

You've been lucky. First time I bought one it was about half the
capacity of the original one, when I replaced that, both replacements
were less than 15% or original, when fully-charged. I was trying
to keep my old Razr alive because its battery life was 4-6 days, but the
most recent replacements don't even last 6 hours on standby.

[Rod Speed]

Clifford Heath <no....@please.net> wrote

> Rod Speed wrote

>> All the ones I have got have been just as good as the original.

> You've been lucky.

Nope, just have enough of a clue to only buy the good stuff.

> First time I bought one it was about half the capacity of the original
> one, when I replaced that, both replacements were less than 15% or
> original, when fully-charged.

All of mine were at least as good as the original.

One was much better, but that was
because the technology changed to LiOn.

> I was trying to keep my old Razr alive because its battery life was 4-6
> days, but the most recent replacements don't even last 6 hours on standby.

See above.

[Petzl]

Not sure if urban myth try freezing it in plastic bag in deep freeze
for a day then thaw it out and recharge. Something to do with
batteries getting a "memory" I've had some success with Motorola
batteries (not always)

[Rod Speed]

Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote
> Clifford Heath <no....@please.net> wrote

>> Rod Speed wrote

>>> All the ones I have got have been just as good as the original.

>> You've been lucky. First time I bought one it was about half the
>> capacity of the original one, when I replaced that, both replacements
>> were less than 15% or original, when fully-charged. I was trying
>> to keep my old Razr alive because its battery life was 4-6 days, but
>> the most recent replacements don't even last 6 hours on standby.

> Not sure if urban myth

It is.

> try freezing it in plastic bag in deep freeze
> for a day then thaw it out and recharge.

That will fuck a battery.

> Something to do with batteries getting a "memory"

That doesn't happen with the current battery technology.

[keithr]

Good ol' roddles hasn't had a clue since 1992.

[Bill Palmer]

On Fri, 31 May 2013 22:04:22 +1000 keithr <us...@domain.invalid> wrote in
Message id: <b0rhu4...@mid.individual.net>:

Some people haven't a distant clue about what they're doing in these
groups. In fact, they couldn't get a clue during the clue mating season if
they stood in the middle of a field of horny clues, smeared their body
with clue musk and did the clue mating dance. RodBot is one of those
people.

[atec77]

more like 1986


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X-No-Archive: Yes

[Rod Speed]

[Peter]

First fleet? ;-)

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:-P

[Rod Speed]

"Peter" <som...@microsoft.com> wrote in message
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Nar, it’s a £10 pom.

We should have gone up market and bought chinese instead.

[Clifford Heath]

On 31/05/13 10:53, Rod Speed wrote:
> Clifford Heath <no....@please.net> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote

>> You've been lucky.
> Nope, just have enough of a clue to only buy the good stuff.

Same technology (LiIon), claimed higher capacity than original. Wasn't.

I just looked for vendors (on AliExpress - hundreds of battery
suppliers) with top approval ratings, making claims that were plausible.
I've had really good experiences with many other products from
AliExpress, but there's little point complaining or posting them back
when the entire order is under $20.

Perhaps you can suggest a better way to select?
Or a store you trust which has a Motorola BR50?

[Rod Speed]

Clifford Heath <no....@please.net> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Clifford Heath <no....@please.net> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote

>>> You've been lucky.

>> Nope, just have enough of a clue to only buy the good stuff.

> Same technology (LiIon), claimed higher capacity than original. Wasn't.

Because you didn't have enough of a clue to only buy the good stuff.

> I just looked for vendors (on AliExpress - hundreds of battery suppliers)
> with top approval ratings, making claims that were plausible.

What matters isnt what claims are made, what matters is what feedback
there is from those who have bought what they are flogging.

> I've had really good experiences with many other products from AliExpress,
> but there's little point complaining or posting them back when the entire
> order is under $20.

I did it with something that was quite literally 1c.

Expected to just get ignored, but instead he sent
me a replacement and the replacement was perfect.

> Perhaps you can suggest a better way to select?

Yep, feedback from those who have bought the product.

> Or a store you trust which has a Motorola BR50?

Haven't had any need to get any of those.

[Damian]

"Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:b05les...@mid.individual.net...

> I never had that and don't have health insurance either.
>

If you look after yourself enough, I don't think you need health insurance.
It's scam that we have to get health insurance now, when we already pay
medicare levy.
If should be a simpler system with a higher medicare levy.
Now, we don't have a choice and get punished by the tax man if we don't get
health insurance.
So much for living in the lucky country.

>> The specs I have from Ausspecs reading I bought must be 3 years ago
>
> I know that the last chinese lot I got was a little more than that ago
> because I know I got them just after the last eye test and that was
> just more than 3 years ago.
>
>> They are tough
>
> I'm not hard on glasses. I kept relensing the OPSMs
> that I used to get before I changed over to the dirt
> cheap chinese glasses and those must have lasted
> at least 35 years fine. Metal frame tho.
>
> Still have them, cant get the nose bridges for them anymore.

[Damian]

"keithr" <us...@domain.invalid> wrote in message
news:b06e7f...@mid.individual.net...
> On 23/05/2013 2:48 PM, Rod Speed wrote:

> You just have to work for the right people, my employer pays my health

> fund and they pay for my specs, proper ones, not el cheapo Chinese ones.
>

That's the way it should be for the working fellas above certain income.
Leaving the job to the ATO to punish hardworking family people isn't the way
to go.

[Rod Speed]

"Damian" <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote in message
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I don’t believe you need it even if you don’t.

> It's scam that we have to get health insurance now, when we already pay
> medicare levy.

That’s overstated. If the levy was high enough
to pay for everything delivered as quick as anyone
ever wanted it, they voters wouldn’t wear it.

> If should be a simpler system with a higher medicare levy.

There are certainly some advantages with that approach,
but its far from clear that its politically feasible.

> Now, we don't have a choice and get punished by the tax man if we don't
> get health insurance.

I don’t.

> So much for living in the lucky country.

It still leaves the US and British systems for dead.

[Damian]

"Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:b19l05...@mid.individual.net...

> I donīŋŊt believe you need it even if you donīŋŊt.
>

That would be unrealistic. If you are working person and constantly under
threat of injuries, health issues,
then the current system and economics demand to have health insurance.
If you are at work or behind wheels, then the work and road insurance scheme
would help.
If the injury happens elsewhere, you can end up being screwed.
Then the illnesses and terminal illnesses can make the situation even more
complicated.

I think, it would be great to have a tax funded health insurance scheme.
Whether it's politically feasible under
current situtation is another story.

>> It's scam that we have to get health insurance now, when we already pay
>> medicare levy.
>

> ThatīŋŊs overstated. If the levy was high enough

> to pay for everything delivered as quick as anyone

> ever wanted it, they voters wouldnīŋŊt wear it.
>

Yeah, that's a valid argument. But, it won't kill to give a go at it.
A similar thing was spread around before the introduction of medicare
system, not it's still around,
and seems to be doing the job fine for all Australians.
Many people, like myself are more than happy to pay higher levy or tax to
get 'universal' medicare,
so we won't have to get screwed by private health insurers.

>> If should be a simpler system with a higher medicare levy.
>
> There are certainly some advantages with that approach,
> but its far from clear that its politically feasible.
>

Jillard just put the levy up by half a percent to pay for NDIS. I'm not
sure
people are pissed off with her on that. I think it's many other issues she
stuffed up
that her ratings are pretty bad at the moment.
I think it's politically feasible, but probably not by the current
government,
by the sound and looks of it, they need miracle to survive.
And I may need to choose between the rope and exile in Antarctica, eh?!!

>> Now, we don't have a choice and get punished by the tax man if we don't
>> get health insurance.
>

> I donīŋŊt.
>

That because you earnings are below 84K.

>> So much for living in the lucky country.
>
> It still leaves the US and British systems for dead.
>

US for dead sure, but not sure about UK though. You may be right about them
as well, since they have cut down lot
of public spending recently though. But, I think there are countries out
there which may have far better system than us(Germany, etc).

[Rod Speed]

"Damian" <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote in message

news:kooqbe$qmb$1...@dont-email.me...

>> I don�t believe you need it even if you don�t.

> That would be unrealistic.

Nope, I have never had it and never
needed it and don�t look after myself.

> If you are working person and constantly under threat of injuries, health
> issues,

I didn�t even bother with it when I physically built my own house.

The public hospital system worked fine every time.

> then the current system and economics demand to have health insurance.

Bullshit.

> If you are at work or behind wheels, then the work and road insurance
> scheme would help.

I've never need to use either for health care.

> If the injury happens elsewhere, you can end up being screwed.

Bullshit. The public hospital system works fine for that sort of thing.

> Then the illnesses and terminal illnesses can make the situation even more
> complicated.

Nope. In fact a number of mates of mine have had those
and only a couple of them have health insurance.

> I think, it would be great to have a tax funded health insurance scheme.

That�s what we have.

> Whether it's politically feasible under
> current situtation is another story.

>>> It's scam that we have to get health insurance now, when we already pay
>>> medicare levy.

>> That�s overstated. If the levy was high enough

>> to pay for everything delivered as quick as anyone

>> ever wanted it, they voters wouldn�t wear it.

> Yeah, that's a valid argument. But, it won't kill to give a go at it.

It would actually. No one has anything like that world wide.

> A similar thing was spread around before the introduction of medicare
> system, not it's still around, and seems to be doing the job fine for all
> Australians.

Depends on what you want done. There are real downsides
in some situations like cataracts for example.

> Many people, like myself are more than happy to pay higher levy or tax to
> get 'universal' medicare,

You are free to have that with health insurance.

> so we won't have to get screwed by private health insurers.

You don�t get screwed by them.

>>> If should be a simpler system with a higher medicare levy.

>> There are certainly some advantages with that approach,
>> but its far from clear that its politically feasible.

> Jillard just put the levy up by half a percent to pay for NDIS.

And that doesn�t even come close to raising what it costs.

> I'm not sure people are pissed off with her on that.

Plenty are.

> I think it's many other issues she stuffed up
> that her ratings are pretty bad at the moment.

All of them in fact.

> I think it's politically feasible,

I know it isnt. No one does that world wide.

> but probably not by the current government, by the sound and looks of it,
> they need miracle to survive.

Not even a miracle would do that now.

Once you get to 30% of the primary vote,
no one has EVER come back from that.

> And I may need to choose between the rope and exile in Antarctica, eh?!!

Yep.

>>> Now, we don't have a choice and get punished by the tax man if we don't
>>> get health insurance.

>> I don�t.

> That because you earnings are below 84K.

Nope.

>>> So much for living in the lucky country.

>> It still leaves the US and British systems for dead.

> US for dead sure, but not sure about UK though.

I am on being able to use any doctor you like any time you like.

> You may be right about them as well, since they have cut down lot of
> public spending recently though.

That was true even before that.

> But, I think there are countries out there which may have far better
> system than us(Germany, etc).

Nope.

[Damian]

"Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:b1aim8...@mid.individual.net...

>>> I don’t believe you need it even if you don’t.

>
>> That would be unrealistic.
>
> Nope, I have never had it and never

> needed it and don’t look after myself.

>
>> If you are working person and constantly under threat of injuries, health
>> issues,
>

> I didn’t even bother with it when I physically built my own house.

>
> The public hospital system worked fine every time.
>

Man, I dunno where you've been living. I've had multiple crippling injuries
and don't tell me about the public hospital system.
There is something callled a waiting list for specialists, surgeries, etc
and sometimes you have to wait up to couple
of years. I've had my elbow operated and waited nearly two years. I'm still
waitng for the other elbow.
Only way around that to see a specialist privately, which isn't funded by
medicare totally, and neither are the surgeries, etc, if you want
them have done straightaway.

>> then the current system and economics demand to have health insurance.
>
> Bullshit.
>

Dunno what you mean by that. Specialists, physio, Osteo, etc all aren't
funded by medicare.
Yes, there are limited funding for certain cases, but nowhere near enough
for a rehabilitation.
You either need to have some hard cash savings or insurance.

>> If you are at work or behind wheels, then the work and road insurance
>> scheme would help.
>
> I've never need to use either for health care.
>

That 'cos you've never experienced either of the circumstances.

>> If the injury happens elsewhere, you can end up being screwed.
>
> Bullshit. The public hospital system works fine for that sort of thing.
>

That's bullshit. You should aquire an injury and see how it goes with the
public system.
I've been there already. I have firsthand experience, so do many people

>> Then the illnesses and terminal illnesses can make the situation even
>> more complicated.
>
> Nope. In fact a number of mates of mine have had those
> and only a couple of them have health insurance.
>

Obviously they have enough savings. There's help from public system in case
termincal illnesses.
But, when you need knee replacement, hip replacement, shoulder, etc issues,
you have to wait
in the public system or need money or insurance to get the things done.

>> I think, it would be great to have a tax funded health insurance scheme.
>

> That’s what we have.
>

I meant universal type of health care system, so we don't need to have
private insurance to
have access to specialist services straighaway.

>> Whether it's politically feasible under
>> current situtation is another story.
>
>>>> It's scam that we have to get health insurance now, when we already pay
>>>> medicare levy.
>

>>> That’s overstated. If the levy was high enough

>>> to pay for everything delivered as quick as anyone

>>> ever wanted it, they voters wouldn’t wear it.

>
>> Yeah, that's a valid argument. But, it won't kill to give a go at it.
>
> It would actually. No one has anything like that world wide.
>

I think it's time we do.
With growing populations and environmental hazards, etc, our health problems
are getting
more and more complicated by the day.

>> A similar thing was spread around before the introduction of medicare
>> system, not it's still around, and seems to be doing the job fine for all
>> Australians.
>
> Depends on what you want done. There are real downsides
> in some situations like cataracts for example.
>

So, you do believe in on the need for private health insurance under current
system?!!

>> Many people, like myself are more than happy to pay higher levy or tax to
>> get 'universal' medicare,
>
> You are free to have that with health insurance.
>

That's not 'universal' health care. You get what you pay for.
Then again, you argue we don't need it, or may be rather, you don't need
it?!!

>> so we won't have to get screwed by private health insurers.
>

> You don’t get screwed by them.
>

Sure you do. All the insurance companies are there for that.
Just make sure you read the fine print and microscopic print and understand
it pretty well.
Many get screwed and raped in the arse by not doing that homework.

>>>> If should be a simpler system with a higher medicare levy.
>
>>> There are certainly some advantages with that approach,
>>> but its far from clear that its politically feasible.
>
>> Jillard just put the levy up by half a percent to pay for NDIS.
>

> And that doesn’t even come close to raising what it costs.
>

Yeah, I think that's true. Wonder where the money's gona come from??!!!

>> I'm not sure people are pissed off with her on that.
>
> Plenty are.
>

Yep, likely.

>> I think it's many other issues she stuffed up
>> that her ratings are pretty bad at the moment.
>
> All of them in fact.
>

I think her work on school system is good, the problem is she's shuffling
money to do that, which is not good.

>> I think it's politically feasible,
>
> I know it isnt. No one does that world wide.
>

Then it's time we do. With growing population and growing health
complications, we do need a system like that.
Capitalism, as we know and practice it, may not be conducive to such system
though.

>> but probably not by the current government, by the sound and looks of it,
>> they need miracle to survive.
>
> Not even a miracle would do that now.
>
> Once you get to 30% of the primary vote,
> no one has EVER come back from that.
>

Yeah, similar drama happened to John Coward six years ago.
He lost badly, regardless of all the tax handouts.

>> And I may need to choose between the rope and exile in Antarctica, eh?!!
>
> Yep.
>
>>>> Now, we don't have a choice and get punished by the tax man if we
>>>> don't get health insurance.
>

>>> I don’t.

>
>> That because you earnings are below 84K.
>
> Nope.
>

Because you don't earn at all?!!

[Rod Speed]

"Damian" <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote in message

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Its worked fine for me. And one of them was quite literally a crippling
injury.

> There is something callled a waiting list for specialists, surgeries, etc
> and sometimes you have to wait up to couple of years.

Not for a real crippling injury you don't. I only had to wait overnight.

> I've had my elbow operated and waited nearly two years. I'm still waitng
> for the other elbow.

How did you manage to fuck both elbows ?

> Only way around that to see a specialist privately, which isn't funded by
> medicare totally,

All of mine were.

> and neither are the surgeries, etc,

All of mine were. And the air ambulance to the state capital too.

> if you want them have done straightaway.

Bullshit. I got mine done the next day, and that
was because it happened very late in the day.

>>> then the current system and economics demand to have health insurance.

>> Bullshit.

> Dunno what you mean by that.

That there is no demand to have health insurance.

> Specialists, physio, Osteo, etc all aren't funded by medicare.

Wrong. I got all of mine paid for entirely by medicare.

> Yes, there are limited funding for certain cases, but nowhere near enough
> for a rehabilitation.

Wrong, I got all my rehab for free.

> You either need to have some hard cash savings or insurance.

Wrong. I didn’t pay a cent. With the last one the
ONLY thing I had to pay for was the newspapers
to read. Didn’t even have to pay for a TV to watch.

>>> If you are at work or behind wheels, then the work and road insurance
>>> scheme would help.

>> I've never need to use either for health care.

> That 'cos you've never experienced either of the circumstances.

Wrong.

>>> If the injury happens elsewhere, you can end up being screwed.

>> Bullshit. The public hospital system works fine for that sort of thing.

> That's bullshit.

Nope, its fact.

> You should aquire an injury and see how it goes with the public system.

Been there, done that. It worked fine.

The only thing that cost me anything with that one was the ambulance.

> I've been there already. I have firsthand experience, so do many people

So do I. And not just one of them either.

>>> Then the illnesses and terminal illnesses can make the situation even
>>> more complicated.

>> Nope. In fact a number of mates of mine have had those and only a couple
>> of them have health insurance.

> Obviously they have enough savings.

Hasn’t cost them a cent.

In fact one of them has cost the system an immense amount of money.

> There's help from public system in case termincal illnesses.

There's all the health care they need.

> But, when you need knee replacement, hip replacement, shoulder, etc
> issues, you have to wait in the public system or need money or insurance
> to get the things done.

And with the immense amount of treatment the one
with diabetes needs, he has never had to wait at all,
and he is one of the ones with no health insurance at all.

And I didn’t have to wait for mine either.

>>> I think, it would be great to have a tax funded health insurance scheme.

>> That’s what we have.

> I meant universal type of health care system, so we don't need to have
> private insurance to have access to specialist services straighaway.

I got access to specialist service straight away
and so does the mate of mine with diabetes.

>>> Whether it's politically feasible under
>>> current situtation is another story.

>>>>> It's scam that we have to get health insurance now, when we already
>>>>> pay medicare levy.

>>>> That’s overstated. If the levy was high enough
>>>> to pay for everything delivered as quick as anyone
>>>> ever wanted it, they voters wouldn’t wear it.

>>> Yeah, that's a valid argument. But, it won't kill to give a go at it.

>> It would actually. No one has anything like that world wide.

> I think it's time we do.

Not enough do think that.

> With growing populations and environmental hazards, etc, our health
> problems are getting more and more complicated by the day.

Whats actually happening is that we can do much
more than we could in the past, particularly with
kid born premature and with the geriatrics and
with those that have heart attacks and diabetes etc.

Nothing to do with population numbers and
there are FAR fewer environmental problems
in the modern first world than there used to be.

>>> A similar thing was spread around before the introduction of medicare
>>> system, not it's still around, and seems to be doing the job fine for
>>> all Australians.

>> Depends on what you want done. There are real downsides in some
>> situations like cataracts for example.

> So, you do believe in on the need for private health insurance under
> current system?!!

Nope, I still don’t bother with it.

>>> Many people, like myself are more than happy to pay higher levy or tax
>>> to get 'universal' medicare,

>> You are free to have that with health insurance.

> That's not 'universal' health care. You get what you pay for.

You get it with the public system for free.

> Then again, you argue we don't need it, or may be rather, you don't need
> it?!!

Neither in fact. I rub your nose in the fact that the public system provides
it.

>>> so we won't have to get screwed by private health insurers.

>> You don’t get screwed by them.

> Sure you do.

Nope, none of them make outrageous profits.

> All the insurance companies are there for that.

Wrong. They just provide a service which some decide they want.

> Just make sure you read the fine print and microscopic print and
> understand it pretty well. Many get screwed and raped in the arse by not
> doing that homework.

Even sillier.

>>>>> If should be a simpler system with a higher medicare levy.

>>>> There are certainly some advantages with that approach,
>>>> but its far from clear that its politically feasible.

>>> Jillard just put the levy up by half a percent to pay for NDIS.

>> And that doesn’t even come close to raising what it costs.

> Yeah, I think that's true.

We know it is from the numbers.

> Wonder where the money's gona come from??!!!

The only place it can come from, the taxpayers.

>>> I'm not sure people are pissed off with her on that.

>> Plenty are.

> Yep, likely.

>>> I think it's many other issues she stuffed up
>>> that her ratings are pretty bad at the moment.

>> All of them in fact.

> I think her work on school system is good,

I don’t. She's pissing MUCH more money against the
wall when the numbers of kids in schools is DROPPING.

> the problem is she's shuffling money to do that,

From tertiary education where the numbers arent dropping.

> which is not good.

Its completely stupid.

>>> I think it's politically feasible,

>> I know it isnt. No one does that world wide.

> Then it's time we do.

Nope.

> With growing population

NOT ONE modern first world country is even
self replacing now if you take out immigration.

> and growing health complications,

That’s bullshit too.

> we do need a system like that.

Nope.

> Capitalism, as we know and practice it, may not be conducive to such
> system though.

Health care under any other system is MUCH worse.

>>> but probably not by the current government, by the sound and looks of
>>> it, they need miracle to survive.

>> Not even a miracle would do that now.

>> Once you get to 30% of the primary vote,
>> no one has EVER come back from that.

> Yeah, similar drama happened to John Coward six years ago.

Nope, their primary vote never go anything like that.

> He lost badly,

Pigs arse he did.

> regardless of all the tax handouts.

Even sillier.

>>> And I may need to choose between the rope and exile in Antarctica, eh?!!

>> Yep.

>>>>> Now, we don't have a choice and get punished by the tax man if we
>>>>> don't get health insurance.

>>>> I don’t.

>>> That because you earnings are below 84K.

>> Nope.

> Because you don't earn at all?!!

Still wrong.

[Damian]

"Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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Yeah, but it may be good to do something about it by restructuring the
school system.
But, I'm not sure whether her spending is doing that.
The real project following the Gonski review recommendations may be too big
a project for her at this stage.

>> the problem is she's shuffling money to do that,
>
> From tertiary education where the numbers arent dropping.
>

May she wants the number to drop, for whatever the reason??!!

>> which is not good.
>
> Its completely stupid.
>

Yeah, no argument there.

>>>> I think it's politically feasible,
>
>>> I know it isnt. No one does that world wide.
>
>> Then it's time we do.
>
> Nope.
>
>> With growing population
>
> NOT ONE modern first world country is even
> self replacing now if you take out immigration.
>

'cos we are having less and less children??!!

>> and growing health complications,
>
> That’s bullshit too.
>
>> we do need a system like that.
>
> Nope.
>
>> Capitalism, as we know and practice it, may not be conducive to such
>> system though.
>
> Health care under any other system is MUCH worse.
>

Was it bad under Communist systems in Russia and East Germany?
(one of my mates from Russia, who's a doctor, was really pissed off with the
communist system 'cos he
was getting paid the same as the janitor of the hospital, he's as happy as a
pig in shit to be in Australia, where
such 'trauma' never occurs. :)) )

>>>> but probably not by the current government, by the sound and looks of
>>>> it, they need miracle to survive.
>
>>> Not even a miracle would do that now.
>
>>> Once you get to 30% of the primary vote,
>>> no one has EVER come back from that.
>
>> Yeah, similar drama happened to John Coward six years ago.
>
> Nope, their primary vote never go anything like that.
>

We are yet to see the results of the election. still three more months to
go.
Jillard might turn things around by then and become the first female fully
elected PM, eh?!!
What do u reckon?!

>> He lost badly,
>
> Pigs arse he did.
>

Didn't he lose his seat to McKew?!!

>> regardless of all the tax handouts.
>
> Even sillier.
>
>>>> And I may need to choose between the rope and exile in Antarctica,
>>>> eh?!!
>
>>> Yep.
>
>>>>>> Now, we don't have a choice and get punished by the tax man if we
>>>>>> don't get health insurance.
>
>>>>> I don’t.
>
>>>> That because you earnings are below 84K.
>
>>> Nope.
>
>> Because you don't earn at all?!!
>
> Still wrong.
>

Then, help me to get it right man. :)

[Damian]

"Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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NiMH batteries do seem to have the memory effect.
You can benefit from having a charger that allows you to discharge the
battery and recharge back to it's full capacity.
I'm not sure about the memory effect on LiIon batteries though. I do know,
they don't like being fully discharged, just like Lead acid batteries.

[Rod Speed]

"Damian" <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote in message

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>>>>>> I don�t believe you need it even if you don�t.

>>>>
>>>>> That would be unrealistic.
>>>>
>>>> Nope, I have never had it and never

>>>> needed it and don�t look after myself.

>>>>
>>>>> If you are working person and constantly under threat of injuries,
>>>>> health issues,
>>>>

>>>> I didn�t even bother with it when I physically built my own house.

>> Wrong. I didn�t pay a cent. With the last one the

>> ONLY thing I had to pay for was the newspapers

>> to read. Didn�t even have to pay for a TV to watch.

>>
>>>>> If you are at work or behind wheels, then the work and road insurance
>>>>> scheme would help.
>>
>>>> I've never need to use either for health care.
>>
>>> That 'cos you've never experienced either of the circumstances.
>>
>> Wrong.
>>
>>>>> If the injury happens elsewhere, you can end up being screwed.
>>
>>>> Bullshit. The public hospital system works fine for that sort of thing.
>>
>>> That's bullshit.
>>
>> Nope, its fact.
>>
>>> You should aquire an injury and see how it goes with the public system.
>>
>> Been there, done that. It worked fine.
>>
>> The only thing that cost me anything with that one was the ambulance.
>>
>>> I've been there already. I have firsthand experience, so do many people
>>
>> So do I. And not just one of them either.
>>
>>>>> Then the illnesses and terminal illnesses can make the situation even
>>>>> more complicated.
>>
>>>> Nope. In fact a number of mates of mine have had those and only a
>>>> couple of them have health insurance.
>>
>>> Obviously they have enough savings.
>>

>> Hasn�t cost them a cent.

>>
>> In fact one of them has cost the system an immense amount of money.
>>
>>> There's help from public system in case termincal illnesses.
>>
>> There's all the health care they need.
>>
>>> But, when you need knee replacement, hip replacement, shoulder, etc
>>> issues, you have to wait in the public system or need money or insurance
>>> to get the things done.
>>
>> And with the immense amount of treatment the one
>> with diabetes needs, he has never had to wait at all,
>> and he is one of the ones with no health insurance at all.
>>

>> And I didn�t have to wait for mine either.

>>
>>>>> I think, it would be great to have a tax funded health insurance
>>>>> scheme.
>>

>>>> That�s what we have.

>>
>>> I meant universal type of health care system, so we don't need to have
>>> private insurance to have access to specialist services straighaway.
>>
>> I got access to specialist service straight away
>> and so does the mate of mine with diabetes.
>>
>>>>> Whether it's politically feasible under
>>>>> current situtation is another story.
>>
>>>>>>> It's scam that we have to get health insurance now, when we already
>>>>>>> pay medicare levy.
>>

>>>>>> That�s overstated. If the levy was high enough

>>>>>> to pay for everything delivered as quick as anyone

>>>>>> ever wanted it, they voters wouldn�t wear it.

>>
>>>>> Yeah, that's a valid argument. But, it won't kill to give a go at it.
>>
>>>> It would actually. No one has anything like that world wide.
>>
>>> I think it's time we do.
>>
>> Not enough do think that.
>>
>>> With growing populations and environmental hazards, etc, our health
>>> problems are getting more and more complicated by the day.
>>
>> Whats actually happening is that we can do much
>> more than we could in the past, particularly with
>> kid born premature and with the geriatrics and
>> with those that have heart attacks and diabetes etc.
>>
>> Nothing to do with population numbers and
>> there are FAR fewer environmental problems
>> in the modern first world than there used to be.
>>
>>>>> A similar thing was spread around before the introduction of medicare
>>>>> system, not it's still around, and seems to be doing the job fine for
>>>>> all Australians.
>>
>>>> Depends on what you want done. There are real downsides in some
>>>> situations like cataracts for example.
>>
>>> So, you do believe in on the need for private health insurance under
>>> current system?!!
>>

>> Nope, I still don�t bother with it.

>>
>>>>> Many people, like myself are more than happy to pay higher levy or tax
>>>>> to get 'universal' medicare,
>>
>>>> You are free to have that with health insurance.
>>
>>> That's not 'universal' health care. You get what you pay for.
>>
>> You get it with the public system for free.
>>
>>> Then again, you argue we don't need it, or may be rather, you don't need
>>> it?!!
>>
>> Neither in fact. I rub your nose in the fact that the public system
>> provides it.
>>
>>>>> so we won't have to get screwed by private health insurers.
>>

>>>> You don�t get screwed by them.

>>
>>> Sure you do.
>>
>> Nope, none of them make outrageous profits.
>>
>>> All the insurance companies are there for that.
>>
>> Wrong. They just provide a service which some decide they want.
>>
>>> Just make sure you read the fine print and microscopic print and
>>> understand it pretty well. Many get screwed and raped in the arse by not
>>> doing that homework.
>>
>> Even sillier.
>>
>>>>>>> If should be a simpler system with a higher medicare levy.
>>
>>>>>> There are certainly some advantages with that approach,
>>>>>> but its far from clear that its politically feasible.
>>
>>>>> Jillard just put the levy up by half a percent to pay for NDIS.
>>

>>>> And that doesn�t even come close to raising what it costs.

>>
>>> Yeah, I think that's true.
>>
>> We know it is from the numbers.
>>
>>> Wonder where the money's gona come from??!!!
>>
>> The only place it can come from, the taxpayers.
>>
>>>>> I'm not sure people are pissed off with her on that.
>>
>>>> Plenty are.
>>
>>> Yep, likely.
>>
>>>>> I think it's many other issues she stuffed up
>>>>> that her ratings are pretty bad at the moment.
>>
>>>> All of them in fact.
>>
>>> I think her work on school system is good,
>>

>> I don�t. She's pissing MUCH more money against the

>> wall when the numbers of kids in schools is DROPPING.

> Yeah, but it may be good to do something about it by restructuring the
> school system.

Nothing like that is even being proposed.

> But, I'm not sure whether her spending is doing that.

It isnt.

> The real project following the Gonski review recommendations may be too
> big a project for her at this stage.

Specially when she'll be lucky to even keep her seat in Sept.

No chance of her running a damned thing except the
local Labor branch either.

>>> the problem is she's shuffling money to do that,

>> From tertiary education where the numbers arent dropping.

> May she wants the number to drop, for whatever the reason??!!

Nar, its just a particularly stupid way of paying for it.

>>> which is not good.

>> Its completely stupid.

> Yeah, no argument there.

>>>>> I think it's politically feasible,

>>>> I know it isnt. No one does that world wide.

>>> Then it's time we do.

>> Nope.

>>> With growing population

>> NOT ONE modern first world country is even
>> self replacing now if you take out immigration.

> 'cos we are having less and less children??!!

Yeah, basically. That�s why the numbers
of kids in school keeps dropping even
tho they stay longer than they used to.

The youngest turk is completing highschool
after having repeated one year. That never
happened before with someone that thick.

That�s tons of money pissed against the wall.

His older brother who is nothing like that thick still
hasn�t got a permanent job and is just another dole
bludger with wife and kid that we are paying for.

He completed highschool too.

Their mother never did go to school at all.

>>> and growing health complications,

>> That�s bullshit too.

>>> we do need a system like that.

>> Nope.

>>> Capitalism, as we know and practice it, may not be conducive to such
>>> system though.

>> Health care under any other system is MUCH worse.

> Was it bad under Communist systems in Russia and East Germany?

Yeah, they were stupid enough to reuse
needles and spread HIV/AIDS that way.

Never managed to work out what stents and heart bypasses were about either.

> (one of my mates from Russia, who's a doctor, was really pissed off with
> the communist system 'cos he
> was getting paid the same as the janitor of the hospital, he's as happy as
> a pig in shit to be in Australia, where such 'trauma' never occurs. :)) )

Yeah, that�s a large part of the reason their system was so hopeless.

>>>>> but probably not by the current government, by the sound and looks of
>>>>> it, they need miracle to survive.

>>>> Not even a miracle would do that now.

>>>> Once you get to 30% of the primary vote,
>>>> no one has EVER come back from that.

>>> Yeah, similar drama happened to John Coward six years ago.

>> Nope, their primary vote never go anything like that.

> We are yet to see the results of the election.

Don�t need to. No one has ever managed to
come back from a 30% primary vote, EVER.

> still three more months to go.

She'll be FUCKING lucky if she manages to stay PM for that long.

> Jillard might turn things around by then

Not a chance.

She'll be FUCKING lucky if she manages to stay PM for that long.

> and become the first female fully elected PM, eh?!!

Labor only even has a woman when
there is no chance of staying in govt.

> What do u reckon?!

She's dead, Jim. You into necrophilia ?

The pet hairdresser obviously is.

>>> He lost badly,

>> Pigs arse he did.

> Didn't he lose his seat to McKew?!!

But not BADLY.

>>> regardless of all the tax handouts.

>> Even sillier.

>>>>> And I may need to choose between the rope and exile in Antarctica,
>>>>> eh?!!

>>>> Yep.

>>>>>>> Now, we don't have a choice and get punished by the tax man if we
>>>>>>> don't get health insurance.
>>

>>>>>> I don�t.

[Rod Speed]

"Damian" <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote in message

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>
> "Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:b0qq7r...@mid.individual.net...
>> Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Clifford Heath <no....@please.net> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>
>>>>> All the ones I have got have been just as good as the original.
>>
>>>> You've been lucky. First time I bought one it was about half the
>>>> capacity of the original one, when I replaced that, both replacements
>>>> were less than 15% or original, when fully-charged. I was trying
>>>> to keep my old Razr alive because its battery life was 4-6 days, but
>>>> the most recent replacements don't even last 6 hours on standby.
>>
>>> Not sure if urban myth
>>
>> It is.
>>> try freezing it in plastic bag in deep freeze
>>> for a day then thaw it out and recharge.
>>
>> That will fuck a battery.
>>> Something to do with batteries getting a "memory"
>>
>> That doesn't happen with the current battery technology.

> NiMH batteries do seem to have the memory effect.

No, and they use Li-Ion now anyway.

> You can benefit from having a charger that allows you to discharge the
> battery and recharge back to it's full capacity.

No.

> I'm not sure about the memory effect on LiIon batteries though.

There is none.

[Damian]

"Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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>
>
> "Damian" <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote in message
> news:kp3fla$4d1$1...@dont-email.me...
>>
>> "Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:b0qq7r...@mid.individual.net...
>>> Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Clifford Heath <no....@please.net> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>
>>>>>> All the ones I have got have been just as good as the original.
>>>
>>>>> You've been lucky. First time I bought one it was about half the
>>>>> capacity of the original one, when I replaced that, both replacements
>>>>> were less than 15% or original, when fully-charged. I was trying
>>>>> to keep my old Razr alive because its battery life was 4-6 days, but
>>>>> the most recent replacements don't even last 6 hours on standby.
>>>
>>>> Not sure if urban myth
>>>
>>> It is.
>>>> try freezing it in plastic bag in deep freeze
>>>> for a day then thaw it out and recharge.
>>>
>>> That will fuck a battery.
>>>> Something to do with batteries getting a "memory"
>>>
>>> That doesn't happen with the current battery technology.
>
>> NiMH batteries do seem to have the memory effect.
>
> No,

Here we go again. You broke my balls over this debate last time. You didn't
convince me
any facts, and I didn't manage to convince you either.
Whether there is such effect or not, I know this much,
I successfully restored weak voltage NiMH and NiCd batteries by discharging
them fullly and recharging them again.
I had to do it couple or times or more though.
Since, you are a chemistry guru, I'm sure you know more about this stuff.

>and they use Li-Ion now anyway.
>

Yes, The latest Li-Ion technology suppose to be even better than Lead acid
batteries in terms of the power
they can hold and in some cases longevity as well, but such Li-Ion batteries
are still pretty expensive.
They use them in high end electric cars.

>> You can benefit from having a charger that allows you to discharge the
>> battery and recharge back to it's full capacity.
>
> No.
>

My experience so far with NiCD and NiMH says otherwise.

>> I'm not sure about the memory effect on LiIon batteries though.
>
> There is none.
>

Correct.

[Damian]

"Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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>>>>>>> I don’t believe you need it even if you don’t.

>>>>>
>>>>>> That would be unrealistic.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nope, I have never had it and never

>>>>> needed it and don’t look after myself.

>>>>>
>>>>>> If you are working person and constantly under threat of injuries,
>>>>>> health issues,
>>>>>

>>>>> I didn’t even bother with it when I physically built my own house.

>>> Wrong. I didn’t pay a cent. With the last one the

>>> ONLY thing I had to pay for was the newspapers

>>> to read. Didn’t even have to pay for a TV to watch.

>>>
>>>>>> If you are at work or behind wheels, then the work and road insurance
>>>>>> scheme would help.
>>>
>>>>> I've never need to use either for health care.
>>>
>>>> That 'cos you've never experienced either of the circumstances.
>>>
>>> Wrong.
>>>
>>>>>> If the injury happens elsewhere, you can end up being screwed.
>>>
>>>>> Bullshit. The public hospital system works fine for that sort of
>>>>> thing.
>>>
>>>> That's bullshit.
>>>
>>> Nope, its fact.
>>>
>>>> You should aquire an injury and see how it goes with the public system.
>>>
>>> Been there, done that. It worked fine.
>>>
>>> The only thing that cost me anything with that one was the ambulance.
>>>
>>>> I've been there already. I have firsthand experience, so do many people
>>>
>>> So do I. And not just one of them either.
>>>
>>>>>> Then the illnesses and terminal illnesses can make the situation even
>>>>>> more complicated.
>>>
>>>>> Nope. In fact a number of mates of mine have had those and only a
>>>>> couple of them have health insurance.
>>>
>>>> Obviously they have enough savings.
>>>

>>> Hasn’t cost them a cent.

>>>
>>> In fact one of them has cost the system an immense amount of money.
>>>
>>>> There's help from public system in case termincal illnesses.
>>>
>>> There's all the health care they need.
>>>
>>>> But, when you need knee replacement, hip replacement, shoulder, etc
>>>> issues, you have to wait in the public system or need money or
>>>> insurance to get the things done.
>>>
>>> And with the immense amount of treatment the one
>>> with diabetes needs, he has never had to wait at all,
>>> and he is one of the ones with no health insurance at all.
>>>

>>> And I didn’t have to wait for mine either.

>>>
>>>>>> I think, it would be great to have a tax funded health insurance
>>>>>> scheme.
>>>

>>>>> That’s what we have.

>>>
>>>> I meant universal type of health care system, so we don't need to have
>>>> private insurance to have access to specialist services straighaway.
>>>
>>> I got access to specialist service straight away
>>> and so does the mate of mine with diabetes.
>>>
>>>>>> Whether it's politically feasible under
>>>>>> current situtation is another story.
>>>
>>>>>>>> It's scam that we have to get health insurance now, when we already
>>>>>>>> pay medicare levy.
>>>

>>>>>>> That’s overstated. If the levy was high enough

>>>>>>> to pay for everything delivered as quick as anyone

>>>>>>> ever wanted it, they voters wouldn’t wear it.

>>>
>>>>>> Yeah, that's a valid argument. But, it won't kill to give a go at it.
>>>
>>>>> It would actually. No one has anything like that world wide.
>>>
>>>> I think it's time we do.
>>>
>>> Not enough do think that.
>>>
>>>> With growing populations and environmental hazards, etc, our health
>>>> problems are getting more and more complicated by the day.
>>>
>>> Whats actually happening is that we can do much
>>> more than we could in the past, particularly with
>>> kid born premature and with the geriatrics and
>>> with those that have heart attacks and diabetes etc.
>>>
>>> Nothing to do with population numbers and
>>> there are FAR fewer environmental problems
>>> in the modern first world than there used to be.
>>>
>>>>>> A similar thing was spread around before the introduction of medicare
>>>>>> system, not it's still around, and seems to be doing the job fine for
>>>>>> all Australians.
>>>
>>>>> Depends on what you want done. There are real downsides in some
>>>>> situations like cataracts for example.
>>>
>>>> So, you do believe in on the need for private health insurance under
>>>> current system?!!
>>>

>>> Nope, I still don’t bother with it.

>>>
>>>>>> Many people, like myself are more than happy to pay higher levy or
>>>>>> tax to get 'universal' medicare,
>>>
>>>>> You are free to have that with health insurance.
>>>
>>>> That's not 'universal' health care. You get what you pay for.
>>>
>>> You get it with the public system for free.
>>>
>>>> Then again, you argue we don't need it, or may be rather, you don't
>>>> need it?!!
>>>
>>> Neither in fact. I rub your nose in the fact that the public system
>>> provides it.
>>>
>>>>>> so we won't have to get screwed by private health insurers.
>>>

>>>>> You don’t get screwed by them.

>>>
>>>> Sure you do.
>>>
>>> Nope, none of them make outrageous profits.
>>>
>>>> All the insurance companies are there for that.
>>>
>>> Wrong. They just provide a service which some decide they want.
>>>
>>>> Just make sure you read the fine print and microscopic print and
>>>> understand it pretty well. Many get screwed and raped in the arse by
>>>> not doing that homework.
>>>
>>> Even sillier.
>>>
>>>>>>>> If should be a simpler system with a higher medicare levy.
>>>
>>>>>>> There are certainly some advantages with that approach,
>>>>>>> but its far from clear that its politically feasible.
>>>
>>>>>> Jillard just put the levy up by half a percent to pay for NDIS.
>>>

>>>>> And that doesn’t even come close to raising what it costs.

>>>
>>>> Yeah, I think that's true.
>>>
>>> We know it is from the numbers.
>>>
>>>> Wonder where the money's gona come from??!!!
>>>
>>> The only place it can come from, the taxpayers.
>>>
>>>>>> I'm not sure people are pissed off with her on that.
>>>
>>>>> Plenty are.
>>>
>>>> Yep, likely.
>>>
>>>>>> I think it's many other issues she stuffed up
>>>>>> that her ratings are pretty bad at the moment.
>>>
>>>>> All of them in fact.
>>>
>>>> I think her work on school system is good,
>>>

>>> I don’t. She's pissing MUCH more money against the

> Yeah, basically. That’s why the numbers

> of kids in school keeps dropping even
> tho they stay longer than they used to.
>
> The youngest turk is completing highschool
> after having repeated one year. That never
> happened before with someone that thick.
>

> That’s tons of money pissed against the wall.

>
> His older brother who is nothing like that thick still

> hasn’t got a permanent job and is just another dole

> bludger with wife and kid that we are paying for.
>
> He completed highschool too.
>
> Their mother never did go to school at all.
>
>>>> and growing health complications,
>

>>> That’s bullshit too.

>
>>>> we do need a system like that.
>
>>> Nope.
>
>>>> Capitalism, as we know and practice it, may not be conducive to such
>>>> system though.
>
>>> Health care under any other system is MUCH worse.
>
>> Was it bad under Communist systems in Russia and East Germany?
>
> Yeah, they were stupid enough to reuse
> needles and spread HIV/AIDS that way.
>
> Never managed to work out what stents and heart bypasses were about
> either.
>
>> (one of my mates from Russia, who's a doctor, was really pissed off with
>> the communist system 'cos he
>> was getting paid the same as the janitor of the hospital, he's as happy
>> as a pig in shit to be in Australia, where such 'trauma' never occurs.
>> :)) )
>

> Yeah, that’s a large part of the reason their system was so hopeless.

>
>>>>>> but probably not by the current government, by the sound and looks of
>>>>>> it, they need miracle to survive.
>
>>>>> Not even a miracle would do that now.
>
>>>>> Once you get to 30% of the primary vote,
>>>>> no one has EVER come back from that.
>
>>>> Yeah, similar drama happened to John Coward six years ago.
>
>>> Nope, their primary vote never go anything like that.
>
>> We are yet to see the results of the election.
>

> Don’t need to. No one has ever managed to

> come back from a 30% primary vote, EVER.
>
>> still three more months to go.
>
> She'll be FUCKING lucky if she manages to stay PM for that long.
>
>> Jillard might turn things around by then
>
> Not a chance.
>
> She'll be FUCKING lucky if she manages to stay PM for that long.
>

What can happen now to kick her out before that??!!

>> and become the first female fully elected PM, eh?!!
>
> Labor only even has a woman when
> there is no chance of staying in govt.
>

I'm beginning to believe, that might be true.

>> What do u reckon?!
>
> She's dead, Jim. You into necrophilia ?
>

Me??! Nah.
I've seen enough of you already. :))

> The pet hairdresser obviously is.
>

He's the only bloke hairdresser in da country who happens to be not gay.
Give him some credits. :)

>>>> He lost badly,
>
>>> Pigs arse he did.
>
>> Didn't he lose his seat to McKew?!!
>
> But not BADLY.
>

How bad can it be losing his own seat in addition to getting kicked out of
the governent, strainght to the cemetary??!!!
He's dead Jimmy. Get over it.

>>>> regardless of all the tax handouts.
>
>>> Even sillier.
>
>>>>>> And I may need to choose between the rope and exile in Antarctica,
>>>>>> eh?!!
>
>>>>> Yep.
>
>>>>>>>> Now, we don't have a choice and get punished by the tax man if we
>>>>>>>> don't get health insurance.
>>>

>>>>>>> I don’t.

[Frank Slootweg]

Damian <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote:
> "Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:b1mnjv...@mid.individual.net...

[...]

> >> NiMH batteries do seem to have the memory effect.
> >
> > No,
>
> Here we go again. You broke my balls over this debate last time. You
> didn't convince me any facts, and I didn't manage to convince you
> either.
> Whether there is such effect or not, I know this much, I successfully
> restored weak voltage NiMH and NiCd batteries by discharging them
> fullly and recharging them again.
> I had to do it couple or times or more though.
> Since, you are a chemistry guru, I'm sure you know more about this
> stuff.

Actually, you are both right. Rod is right with his "No", because NiMH
batteries do indeed not have a memeory effect. But you are also right
with the experience/process which you describe.

Here's an example reference which explains it:

<http://www.greenbatteries.com/nibafa.html#NiMH memory>

["I'm Feely Lucky" result of Google search on "nimh rechargeable
batteries memory [effect]", i.e. not *really* rocket science! :-(]

"Do NiMH batteries have memory effect?

Technically, NiMH batteries do not have a "memory effect", but strictly
speaking neither do NiCds. However NiMH batteries can experience
voltage depletion, also called voltage depression, similar to that of
NiCd batteries, but the effect is normally less noticeable. To
completely eliminate the possibility of NiMH batteries suffering any
voltage depletion effect manufacturers recommend an occasional,
complete discharge of NiMH batteries followed by a full recharge. NiMH
batteries can also be damaged by overcharge and improper storage (see
the NiCd section immediately above this one). Most users of NiMH
batteries don't have to be concerned with this voltage depletion
effect. But if you use a device say a flashlight, radio, or digital
camera for only a short time every day and then charge the batteries
every night, you will need to let the NiMH (or NiCd) batteries run down
occasionally."

[...]

> >> You can benefit from having a charger that allows you to discharge the
> >> battery and recharge back to it's full capacity.
> >
> > No.

Well, as the above reference explains, and as your, mine and other
people's experience confirms, Rod's quite wrong on this one.

[...]

[Rod Speed]

"Damian" <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote in message

news:kp721s$p2k$1...@dont-email.me...

No, you're just plain wrong, again.

> You broke my balls over this debate last time. You didn't convince me any
> facts,

Doesn’t change a single fact.

> and I didn't manage to convince you either.
> Whether there is such effect or not,

There isnt.

> I know this much, I successfully restored weak voltage NiMH and NiCd
> batteries by discharging them fullly and recharging them again.
> I had to do it couple or times or more though.

Its bullshit with NiMH.

> Since, you are a chemistry guru, I'm sure you know more about this stuff.

Yep, there is no memory effect with NiMH.

>> and they use Li-Ion now anyway.

> Yes, The latest Li-Ion technology suppose to be even better than Lead acid
> batteries in terms of the power
> they can hold and in some cases longevity as well, but such Li-Ion
> batteries are still pretty expensive.

Not with the mobile phones being discussed they arent.

> They use them in high end electric cars.

Sure, but there isnt anything in it price wise with mobile phones.

>>> You can benefit from having a charger that allows you to discharge the
>>> battery and recharge back to it's full capacity.

>> No.

> My experience so far with NiCD and NiMH says otherwise.

No it doesn’t. You're just fooling yourself.

My cordless phones all use NiMH and there is no memory effect
what so ever with those. They are never ever fully discharged and
when you use a good high quality NiMH there is never ever any
memory effect.

>>> I'm not sure about the memory effect on LiIon batteries though.

>> There is none.

> Correct.

I always am.

[Rod Speed]

"Damian" <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote in message

news:kp796l$v2m$1...@dont-email.me...

>>>>>>>> I don�t believe you need it even if you don�t.

>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That would be unrealistic.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nope, I have never had it and never

>>>>>> needed it and don�t look after myself.

>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you are working person and constantly under threat of injuries,
>>>>>>> health issues,
>>>>>>

>>>>>> I didn�t even bother with it when I physically built my own house.

>>>> Wrong. I didn�t pay a cent. With the last one the

>>>> ONLY thing I had to pay for was the newspapers

>>>> to read. Didn�t even have to pay for a TV to watch.

>>>>
>>>>>>> If you are at work or behind wheels, then the work and road
>>>>>>> insurance scheme would help.
>>>>
>>>>>> I've never need to use either for health care.
>>>>
>>>>> That 'cos you've never experienced either of the circumstances.
>>>>
>>>> Wrong.
>>>>
>>>>>>> If the injury happens elsewhere, you can end up being screwed.
>>>>
>>>>>> Bullshit. The public hospital system works fine for that sort of
>>>>>> thing.
>>>>
>>>>> That's bullshit.
>>>>
>>>> Nope, its fact.
>>>>
>>>>> You should aquire an injury and see how it goes with the public
>>>>> system.
>>>>
>>>> Been there, done that. It worked fine.
>>>>
>>>> The only thing that cost me anything with that one was the ambulance.
>>>>
>>>>> I've been there already. I have firsthand experience, so do many
>>>>> people
>>>>
>>>> So do I. And not just one of them either.
>>>>
>>>>>>> Then the illnesses and terminal illnesses can make the situation
>>>>>>> even more complicated.
>>>>
>>>>>> Nope. In fact a number of mates of mine have had those and only a
>>>>>> couple of them have health insurance.
>>>>
>>>>> Obviously they have enough savings.
>>>>

>>>> Hasn�t cost them a cent.

>>>>
>>>> In fact one of them has cost the system an immense amount of money.
>>>>
>>>>> There's help from public system in case termincal illnesses.
>>>>
>>>> There's all the health care they need.
>>>>
>>>>> But, when you need knee replacement, hip replacement, shoulder, etc
>>>>> issues, you have to wait in the public system or need money or
>>>>> insurance to get the things done.
>>>>
>>>> And with the immense amount of treatment the one
>>>> with diabetes needs, he has never had to wait at all,
>>>> and he is one of the ones with no health insurance at all.
>>>>

>>>> And I didn�t have to wait for mine either.

>>>>
>>>>>>> I think, it would be great to have a tax funded health insurance
>>>>>>> scheme.
>>>>

>>>>>> That�s what we have.

>>>>
>>>>> I meant universal type of health care system, so we don't need to
>>>>> have private insurance to have access to specialist services
>>>>> straighaway.
>>>>
>>>> I got access to specialist service straight away
>>>> and so does the mate of mine with diabetes.
>>>>
>>>>>>> Whether it's politically feasible under
>>>>>>> current situtation is another story.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's scam that we have to get health insurance now, when we
>>>>>>>>> already pay medicare levy.
>>>>

>>>>>>>> That�s overstated. If the levy was high enough

>>>>>>>> to pay for everything delivered as quick as anyone

>>>>>>>> ever wanted it, they voters wouldn�t wear it.

>>>>
>>>>>>> Yeah, that's a valid argument. But, it won't kill to give a go at
>>>>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>>>> It would actually. No one has anything like that world wide.
>>>>
>>>>> I think it's time we do.
>>>>
>>>> Not enough do think that.
>>>>
>>>>> With growing populations and environmental hazards, etc, our health
>>>>> problems are getting more and more complicated by the day.
>>>>
>>>> Whats actually happening is that we can do much
>>>> more than we could in the past, particularly with
>>>> kid born premature and with the geriatrics and
>>>> with those that have heart attacks and diabetes etc.
>>>>
>>>> Nothing to do with population numbers and
>>>> there are FAR fewer environmental problems
>>>> in the modern first world than there used to be.
>>>>
>>>>>>> A similar thing was spread around before the introduction of
>>>>>>> medicare system, not it's still around, and seems to be doing the
>>>>>>> job fine for all Australians.
>>>>
>>>>>> Depends on what you want done. There are real downsides in some
>>>>>> situations like cataracts for example.
>>>>
>>>>> So, you do believe in on the need for private health insurance under
>>>>> current system?!!
>>>>

>>>> Nope, I still don�t bother with it.

>>>>
>>>>>>> Many people, like myself are more than happy to pay higher levy or
>>>>>>> tax to get 'universal' medicare,
>>>>
>>>>>> You are free to have that with health insurance.
>>>>
>>>>> That's not 'universal' health care. You get what you pay for.
>>>>
>>>> You get it with the public system for free.
>>>>
>>>>> Then again, you argue we don't need it, or may be rather, you don't
>>>>> need it?!!
>>>>
>>>> Neither in fact. I rub your nose in the fact that the public system
>>>> provides it.
>>>>
>>>>>>> so we won't have to get screwed by private health insurers.
>>>>

>>>>>> You don�t get screwed by them.

>>>>
>>>>> Sure you do.
>>>>
>>>> Nope, none of them make outrageous profits.
>>>>
>>>>> All the insurance companies are there for that.
>>>>
>>>> Wrong. They just provide a service which some decide they want.
>>>>
>>>>> Just make sure you read the fine print and microscopic print and
>>>>> understand it pretty well. Many get screwed and raped in the arse by
>>>>> not doing that homework.
>>>>
>>>> Even sillier.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If should be a simpler system with a higher medicare levy.
>>>>
>>>>>>>> There are certainly some advantages with that approach,
>>>>>>>> but its far from clear that its politically feasible.
>>>>
>>>>>>> Jillard just put the levy up by half a percent to pay for NDIS.
>>>>

>>>>>> And that doesn�t even come close to raising what it costs.

>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, I think that's true.
>>>>
>>>> We know it is from the numbers.
>>>>
>>>>> Wonder where the money's gona come from??!!!
>>>>
>>>> The only place it can come from, the taxpayers.
>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm not sure people are pissed off with her on that.
>>>>
>>>>>> Plenty are.
>>>>
>>>>> Yep, likely.
>>>>
>>>>>>> I think it's many other issues she stuffed up
>>>>>>> that her ratings are pretty bad at the moment.
>>>>
>>>>>> All of them in fact.
>>>>
>>>>> I think her work on school system is good,
>>>>

>>>> I don�t. She's pissing MUCH more money against the

>> Yeah, basically. That�s why the numbers

>> of kids in school keeps dropping even
>> tho they stay longer than they used to.
>>
>> The youngest turk is completing highschool
>> after having repeated one year. That never
>> happened before with someone that thick.
>>

>> That�s tons of money pissed against the wall.

>>
>> His older brother who is nothing like that thick still

>> hasn�t got a permanent job and is just another dole

>> bludger with wife and kid that we are paying for.
>>
>> He completed highschool too.
>>
>> Their mother never did go to school at all.
>>
>>>>> and growing health complications,
>>

>>>> That�s bullshit too.

>>
>>>>> we do need a system like that.
>>
>>>> Nope.
>>
>>>>> Capitalism, as we know and practice it, may not be conducive to such
>>>>> system though.
>>
>>>> Health care under any other system is MUCH worse.
>>
>>> Was it bad under Communist systems in Russia and East Germany?
>>
>> Yeah, they were stupid enough to reuse
>> needles and spread HIV/AIDS that way.
>>
>> Never managed to work out what stents and heart bypasses were about
>> either.
>>
>>> (one of my mates from Russia, who's a doctor, was really pissed off with
>>> the communist system 'cos he
>>> was getting paid the same as the janitor of the hospital, he's as happy
>>> as a pig in shit to be in Australia, where such 'trauma' never occurs.
>>> :)) )
>>

>> Yeah, that�s a large part of the reason their system was so hopeless.

>>
>>>>>>> but probably not by the current government, by the sound and looks
>>>>>>> of it, they need miracle to survive.
>>
>>>>>> Not even a miracle would do that now.
>>
>>>>>> Once you get to 30% of the primary vote,
>>>>>> no one has EVER come back from that.
>>
>>>>> Yeah, similar drama happened to John Coward six years ago.
>>
>>>> Nope, their primary vote never go anything like that.
>>
>>> We are yet to see the results of the election.
>>

>> Don�t need to. No one has ever managed to

>> come back from a 30% primary vote, EVER.
>>
>>> still three more months to go.
>>
>> She'll be FUCKING lucky if she manages to stay PM for that long.
>>
>>> Jillard might turn things around by then
>>
>> Not a chance.
>>
>> She'll be FUCKING lucky if she manages to stay PM for that long.

> What can happen now to kick her out before that??!!

Even the most stupid Labor caucus member
realises that they are gunna be flushed down
the tubes of history in their own personal seat.

When they realise that, they will try ANYTHING.

>>> and become the first female fully elected PM, eh?!!

>> Labor only ever has a woman when

>> there is no chance of staying in govt.

> I'm beginning to believe, that might be true.

Its been true for a long time now.

>>> What do u reckon?!

>> She's dead, Jim. You into necrophilia ?

> Me??! Nah.
> I've seen enough of you already. :))

>> The pet hairdresser obviously is.

> He's the only bloke hairdresser in da country who happens to be not gay.

Don�t believe that last.

> Give him some credits. :)

>>>>> He lost badly,

>>>> Pigs arse he did.

>>> Didn't he lose his seat to McKew?!!

>> But not BADLY.

> How bad can it be losing his own seat in addition to getting kicked out of
> the governent, strainght to the cemetary??!!!

He'd decided to get out, the boundary changes made that
seat unwinnable by the Libs. That�s all that happened.

>>>>> regardless of all the tax handouts.
>>
>>>> Even sillier.
>>
>>>>>>> And I may need to choose between the rope and exile in Antarctica,
>>>>>>> eh?!!
>>
>>>>>> Yep.
>>
>>>>>>>>> Now, we don't have a choice and get punished by the tax man if we
>>>>>>>>> don't get health insurance.
>>>>

>>>>>>>> I don�t.

[Rod Speed]

"Frank Slootweg" <th...@ddress.is.invalid> wrote in message
news:b1orn4...@mid.individual.net...

That’s just plain wrong. My cordless phones all get used
like that and never ever get run down even occasionally.

My torch doesn’t either.

> [...]
>
>> >> You can benefit from having a charger that allows you to discharge the
>> >> battery and recharge back to it's full capacity.
>> >
>> > No.
>
> Well, as the above reference explains, and as your, mine and other
> people's experience confirms, Rod's quite wrong on this one.

Nope.

[Damian]

"Frank Slootweg" <th...@ddress.is.invalid> wrote in message
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Yes, I believe the experience says he can't be right.

> [...]

[Damian]

"Frank Slootweg" <th...@ddress.is.invalid> wrote in message
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> Damian <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote:
>> "Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:b1mnjv...@mid.individual.net...
> [...]
>> >> NiMH batteries do seem to have the memory effect.
>> >
>> > No,
>>
>> Here we go again. You broke my balls over this debate last time. You
>> didn't convince me any facts, and I didn't manage to convince you
>> either.
>> Whether there is such effect or not, I know this much, I successfully
>> restored weak voltage NiMH and NiCd batteries by discharging them
>> fullly and recharging them again.
>> I had to do it couple or times or more though.
>> Since, you are a chemistry guru, I'm sure you know more about this
>> stuff.
>
> Actually, you are both right. Rod is right with his "No", because NiMH
> batteries do indeed not have a memeory effect. But you are also right
> with the experience/process which you describe.
>

Ok. Then we can suggest the 'memory effect' is a crude name for the voltage
depletion/depression effect?!
Since NiCD/NiMH batteries don't have memories, we can use a better term for
it as above?!! :-)

[Damian]

"Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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Like I said, I ain't capable of convincing you. You are the one with the
Chemistry experties. :-)

[Damian]

"Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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AFAIK, such high Li-Ion battery technology hasn't been introduced to mobile
phones yet.
They are just being used for high end electric cars AFAIK.
In time, they may phase out lead acid batteries.
Lead acids are powerful and long lasting, yet as heavy as an elephant.
It's time to let them go I reckon.
Downside of Li-Ion is that they are pretty capable TNT bombs in right
conditions.
You wouldn't wanna be inside an electric car, or anywhere near it, that
being caught fire.
Having said that, gasoline cars have the gasoline tank, which is as bad as
Li-Ion or even worse I reckon?!!

>> They use them in high end electric cars.
>
> Sure, but there isnt anything in it price wise with mobile phones.
>
>>>> You can benefit from having a charger that allows you to discharge the
>>>> battery and recharge back to it's full capacity.
>
>>> No.
>
>> My experience so far with NiCD and NiMH says otherwise.
>
> No it doesn�t. You're just fooling yourself.
>
> My cordless phones all use NiMH and there is no memory effect
> what so ever with those. They are never ever fully discharged and
> when you use a good high quality NiMH there is never ever any
> memory effect.
>

The word 'memory effect' may be a loose term. But, some NiCD and NiMH
batteries do get sluggish after continuous use without fully charging them.
Then I managed to restore to acceptable levels by discharging them for
hours, slowly, using the discharge function on a charger.
Then recharge/discharge couple more times.
You may be right about the good high quality NiMH.
But, where do you get such ones?!! Can you suggest brands, sellers?!!!!

>>>> I'm not sure about the memory effect on LiIon batteries though.
>
>>> There is none.
>
>> Correct.
>
> I always am.
>

You are being delusional. Is pope catholic?!! :-))

[Damian]

"Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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>>>>>>>>> I don�t believe you need it even if you don�t.

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That would be unrealistic.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nope, I have never had it and never

>>>>>>> needed it and don�t look after myself.

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you are working person and constantly under threat of injuries,
>>>>>>>> health issues,
>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I didn�t even bother with it when I physically built my own house.

>>>>> Wrong. I didn�t pay a cent. With the last one the

>>>>> ONLY thing I had to pay for was the newspapers

>>>>> to read. Didn�t even have to pay for a TV to watch.

>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you are at work or behind wheels, then the work and road
>>>>>>>> insurance scheme would help.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've never need to use either for health care.
>>>>>
>>>>>> That 'cos you've never experienced either of the circumstances.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If the injury happens elsewhere, you can end up being screwed.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bullshit. The public hospital system works fine for that sort of
>>>>>>> thing.
>>>>>
>>>>>> That's bullshit.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nope, its fact.
>>>>>
>>>>>> You should aquire an injury and see how it goes with the public
>>>>>> system.
>>>>>
>>>>> Been there, done that. It worked fine.
>>>>>
>>>>> The only thing that cost me anything with that one was the ambulance.
>>>>>
>>>>>> I've been there already. I have firsthand experience, so do many
>>>>>> people
>>>>>
>>>>> So do I. And not just one of them either.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Then the illnesses and terminal illnesses can make the situation
>>>>>>>> even more complicated.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nope. In fact a number of mates of mine have had those and only a
>>>>>>> couple of them have health insurance.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Obviously they have enough savings.
>>>>>

>>>>> Hasn�t cost them a cent.

>>>>>
>>>>> In fact one of them has cost the system an immense amount of money.
>>>>>
>>>>>> There's help from public system in case termincal illnesses.
>>>>>
>>>>> There's all the health care they need.
>>>>>
>>>>>> But, when you need knee replacement, hip replacement, shoulder, etc
>>>>>> issues, you have to wait in the public system or need money or
>>>>>> insurance to get the things done.
>>>>>
>>>>> And with the immense amount of treatment the one
>>>>> with diabetes needs, he has never had to wait at all,
>>>>> and he is one of the ones with no health insurance at all.
>>>>>

>>>>> And I didn�t have to wait for mine either.

>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think, it would be great to have a tax funded health insurance
>>>>>>>> scheme.
>>>>>

>>>>>>> That�s what we have.

>>>>>
>>>>>> I meant universal type of health care system, so we don't need to
>>>>>> have private insurance to have access to specialist services
>>>>>> straighaway.
>>>>>
>>>>> I got access to specialist service straight away
>>>>> and so does the mate of mine with diabetes.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Whether it's politically feasible under
>>>>>>>> current situtation is another story.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It's scam that we have to get health insurance now, when we
>>>>>>>>>> already pay medicare levy.
>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> That�s overstated. If the levy was high enough

>>>>>>>>> to pay for everything delivered as quick as anyone

>>>>>>>>> ever wanted it, they voters wouldn�t wear it.

>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yeah, that's a valid argument. But, it won't kill to give a go at
>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> It would actually. No one has anything like that world wide.
>>>>>
>>>>>> I think it's time we do.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not enough do think that.
>>>>>
>>>>>> With growing populations and environmental hazards, etc, our health
>>>>>> problems are getting more and more complicated by the day.
>>>>>
>>>>> Whats actually happening is that we can do much
>>>>> more than we could in the past, particularly with
>>>>> kid born premature and with the geriatrics and
>>>>> with those that have heart attacks and diabetes etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nothing to do with population numbers and
>>>>> there are FAR fewer environmental problems
>>>>> in the modern first world than there used to be.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A similar thing was spread around before the introduction of
>>>>>>>> medicare system, not it's still around, and seems to be doing the
>>>>>>>> job fine for all Australians.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Depends on what you want done. There are real downsides in some
>>>>>>> situations like cataracts for example.
>>>>>
>>>>>> So, you do believe in on the need for private health insurance under
>>>>>> current system?!!
>>>>>

>>>>> Nope, I still don�t bother with it.

>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Many people, like myself are more than happy to pay higher levy or
>>>>>>>> tax to get 'universal' medicare,
>>>>>
>>>>>>> You are free to have that with health insurance.
>>>>>
>>>>>> That's not 'universal' health care. You get what you pay for.
>>>>>
>>>>> You get it with the public system for free.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Then again, you argue we don't need it, or may be rather, you don't
>>>>>> need it?!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Neither in fact. I rub your nose in the fact that the public system
>>>>> provides it.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> so we won't have to get screwed by private health insurers.
>>>>>

>>>>>>> You don�t get screwed by them.

>>>>>
>>>>>> Sure you do.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nope, none of them make outrageous profits.
>>>>>
>>>>>> All the insurance companies are there for that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wrong. They just provide a service which some decide they want.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Just make sure you read the fine print and microscopic print and
>>>>>> understand it pretty well. Many get screwed and raped in the arse by
>>>>>> not doing that homework.
>>>>>
>>>>> Even sillier.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If should be a simpler system with a higher medicare levy.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There are certainly some advantages with that approach,
>>>>>>>>> but its far from clear that its politically feasible.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jillard just put the levy up by half a percent to pay for NDIS.
>>>>>

>>>>>>> And that doesn�t even come close to raising what it costs.

>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah, I think that's true.
>>>>>
>>>>> We know it is from the numbers.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Wonder where the money's gona come from??!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> The only place it can come from, the taxpayers.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm not sure people are pissed off with her on that.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Plenty are.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yep, likely.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think it's many other issues she stuffed up
>>>>>>>> that her ratings are pretty bad at the moment.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> All of them in fact.
>>>>>
>>>>>> I think her work on school system is good,
>>>>>

>>>>> I don�t. She's pissing MUCH more money against the

>>> Yeah, basically. That�s why the numbers

>>> of kids in school keeps dropping even
>>> tho they stay longer than they used to.
>>>
>>> The youngest turk is completing highschool
>>> after having repeated one year. That never
>>> happened before with someone that thick.
>>>

>>> That�s tons of money pissed against the wall.

>>>
>>> His older brother who is nothing like that thick still

>>> hasn�t got a permanent job and is just another dole

>>> bludger with wife and kid that we are paying for.
>>>
>>> He completed highschool too.
>>>
>>> Their mother never did go to school at all.
>>>
>>>>>> and growing health complications,
>>>

>>>>> That�s bullshit too.

>>>
>>>>>> we do need a system like that.
>>>
>>>>> Nope.
>>>
>>>>>> Capitalism, as we know and practice it, may not be conducive to such
>>>>>> system though.
>>>
>>>>> Health care under any other system is MUCH worse.
>>>
>>>> Was it bad under Communist systems in Russia and East Germany?
>>>
>>> Yeah, they were stupid enough to reuse
>>> needles and spread HIV/AIDS that way.
>>>
>>> Never managed to work out what stents and heart bypasses were about
>>> either.
>>>
>>>> (one of my mates from Russia, who's a doctor, was really pissed off
>>>> with the communist system 'cos he
>>>> was getting paid the same as the janitor of the hospital, he's as happy
>>>> as a pig in shit to be in Australia, where such 'trauma' never occurs.
>>>> :)) )
>>>

>>> Yeah, that�s a large part of the reason their system was so hopeless.

>>>
>>>>>>>> but probably not by the current government, by the sound and looks
>>>>>>>> of it, they need miracle to survive.
>>>
>>>>>>> Not even a miracle would do that now.
>>>
>>>>>>> Once you get to 30% of the primary vote,
>>>>>>> no one has EVER come back from that.
>>>
>>>>>> Yeah, similar drama happened to John Coward six years ago.
>>>
>>>>> Nope, their primary vote never go anything like that.
>>>
>>>> We are yet to see the results of the election.
>>>

>>> Don�t need to. No one has ever managed to

>>> come back from a 30% primary vote, EVER.
>>>
>>>> still three more months to go.
>>>
>>> She'll be FUCKING lucky if she manages to stay PM for that long.
>>>
>>>> Jillard might turn things around by then
>>>
>>> Not a chance.
>>>
>>> She'll be FUCKING lucky if she manages to stay PM for that long.
>
>> What can happen now to kick her out before that??!!
>
> Even the most stupid Labor caucus member
> realises that they are gunna be flushed down
> the tubes of history in their own personal seat.
>
> When they realise that, they will try ANYTHING.
>

Like bringing Rudd back?! They seem to be getting desperate now.
Even Bill Shorten is rumoured to may have defected from Jillard camp.

>>>> and become the first female fully elected PM, eh?!!
>
>>> Labor only ever has a woman when
>>> there is no chance of staying in govt.
>
>> I'm beginning to believe, that might be true.
>
> Its been true for a long time now.
>
>>>> What do u reckon?!
>
>>> She's dead, Jim. You into necrophilia ?
>
>> Me??! Nah.
>> I've seen enough of you already. :))
>
>>> The pet hairdresser obviously is.
>
>> He's the only bloke hairdresser in da country who happens to be not gay.
>

> Don�t believe that last.

>
>> Give him some credits. :)
>
>>>>>> He lost badly,
>
>>>>> Pigs arse he did.
>
>>>> Didn't he lose his seat to McKew?!!
>
>>> But not BADLY.
>
>> How bad can it be losing his own seat in addition to getting kicked out
>> of the governent, strainght to the cemetary??!!!
>
> He'd decided to get out,

That's bullshit. You know that.
He wanted another go at being the PM and make sure his work (no)choices to
be the future of industry policy.
He would've been most certainly lost regardless of electoral boundary
reassignment.
He's dead now. Forget about him. He's the chairman of the 'Universal
conservative party', which is meant for retired pollies with dementia.
No body gives him a job anymore that matters to public. Just light a candle
for him. That's all we can do now.
Only good thing he's done was kicking the nuts of the gun nutters in the
country. A damn good job for sure.
The rest is a mess.
Focus on Tony the Abbot. He's the only one in the liberal party with a
direct connection between his and Howard's head.
He's your only hope, Jim.

>the boundary changes made that

> seat unwinnable by the Libs. That�s all that happened.
>

That's bullshit. Libs have won it in the last election quite comfortably.

>>>>>> regardless of all the tax handouts.
>>>
>>>>> Even sillier.
>>>
>>>>>>>> And I may need to choose between the rope and exile in Antarctica,
>>>>>>>> eh?!!
>>>
>>>>>>> Yep.
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Now, we don't have a choice and get punished by the tax man if
>>>>>>>>>> we don't get health insurance.
>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> I don�t.

[Rod Speed]

"Damian" <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote in message

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>> Doesn�t change a single fact.

>>
>>> and I didn't manage to convince you either.
>>> Whether there is such effect or not,
>>
>> There isnt.
>>
>>> I know this much, I successfully restored weak voltage NiMH and NiCd
>>> batteries by discharging them fullly and recharging them again.
>>> I had to do it couple or times or more though.
>>
>> Its bullshit with NiMH.
>>
>>> Since, you are a chemistry guru, I'm sure you know more about this
>>> stuff.
>>
>> Yep, there is no memory effect with NiMH.
>>
>>>> and they use Li-Ion now anyway.
>>
>>> Yes, The latest Li-Ion technology suppose to be even better than Lead
>>> acid batteries in terms of the power
>>> they can hold and in some cases longevity as well, but such Li-Ion
>>> batteries are still pretty expensive.
>>
>> Not with the mobile phones being discussed they arent.

> AFAIK, such high Li-Ion battery technology hasn't been introduced to
> mobile phones yet.

Been there for a long time now. Even the Nokia 6310i had it
and it�s a FUCKING old stupidphone now.

> They are just being used for high end electric cars AFAIK.

Fraid not. Almost universal in phones now, and laptops too.

> In time, they may phase out lead acid batteries.

I don�t it with normal car batterys.

> Lead acids are powerful and long lasting, yet as heavy as an elephant.

Not necessarily with the smaller sealed ones.

> It's time to let them go I reckon.

Just not viable to do that with car batterys alone.

> Downside of Li-Ion is that they are pretty capable TNT bombs in right
> conditions.

They don�t actually explode, just catch fire.

> You wouldn't wanna be inside an electric car, or anywhere near it, that
> being caught fire.

Its no worse than a petrol car.

> Having said that, gasoline cars have the gasoline tank, which is as bad as
> Li-Ion or even worse I reckon?!!

Much worse in fact.

>>> They use them in high end electric cars.
>>
>> Sure, but there isnt anything in it price wise with mobile phones.
>>
>>>>> You can benefit from having a charger that allows you to discharge the
>>>>> battery and recharge back to it's full capacity.
>>
>>>> No.
>>
>>> My experience so far with NiCD and NiMH says otherwise.
>>

>> No it doesn�t. You're just fooling yourself.

>>
>> My cordless phones all use NiMH and there is no memory effect
>> what so ever with those. They are never ever fully discharged and
>> when you use a good high quality NiMH there is never ever any
>> memory effect.

> The word 'memory effect' may be a loose term.

It basically refers to the effect where you don�t get the full capacity
on a charge unless you discharge it completely occasionally.

> But, some NiCD and NiMH batteries do get sluggish after continuous use
> without fully charging them.

Not the good NiMH batterys with a well designed charger.

> Then I managed to restore to acceptable levels by discharging them for
> hours, slowly, using the discharge function on a charger.
> Then recharge/discharge couple more times.
> You may be right about the good high quality NiMH.
> But, where do you get such ones?!! Can you suggest brands, sellers?!!!!

Eneloops are fine. Dick Smith has them at half price occasionally
in their email offers.

>>>>> I'm not sure about the memory effect on LiIon batteries though.
>>
>>>> There is none.
>>
>>> Correct.
>>
>> I always am.

> You are being delusional.

Nope.

> Is pope catholic?!! :-))

Just another child molester.

[Rod Speed]

"Damian" <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote in message

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>>>>>>>>>> I don�t believe you need it even if you don�t.

>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That would be unrealistic.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nope, I have never had it and never

>>>>>>>> needed it and don�t look after myself.

>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you are working person and constantly under threat of injuries,
>>>>>>>>> health issues,
>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> I didn�t even bother with it when I physically built my own house.

>>>>>> Wrong. I didn�t pay a cent. With the last one the

>>>>>> ONLY thing I had to pay for was the newspapers

>>>>>> to read. Didn�t even have to pay for a TV to watch.

>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you are at work or behind wheels, then the work and road
>>>>>>>>> insurance scheme would help.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've never need to use either for health care.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That 'cos you've never experienced either of the circumstances.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wrong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If the injury happens elsewhere, you can end up being screwed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bullshit. The public hospital system works fine for that sort of
>>>>>>>> thing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's bullshit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nope, its fact.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You should aquire an injury and see how it goes with the public
>>>>>>> system.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Been there, done that. It worked fine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The only thing that cost me anything with that one was the ambulance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've been there already. I have firsthand experience, so do many
>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So do I. And not just one of them either.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Then the illnesses and terminal illnesses can make the situation
>>>>>>>>> even more complicated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nope. In fact a number of mates of mine have had those and only a
>>>>>>>> couple of them have health insurance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Obviously they have enough savings.
>>>>>>

>>>>>> Hasn�t cost them a cent.

>>>>>>
>>>>>> In fact one of them has cost the system an immense amount of money.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There's help from public system in case termincal illnesses.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There's all the health care they need.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But, when you need knee replacement, hip replacement, shoulder, etc
>>>>>>> issues, you have to wait in the public system or need money or
>>>>>>> insurance to get the things done.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And with the immense amount of treatment the one
>>>>>> with diabetes needs, he has never had to wait at all,
>>>>>> and he is one of the ones with no health insurance at all.
>>>>>>

>>>>>> And I didn�t have to wait for mine either.

>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I think, it would be great to have a tax funded health insurance
>>>>>>>>> scheme.
>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> That�s what we have.

>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I meant universal type of health care system, so we don't need to
>>>>>>> have private insurance to have access to specialist services
>>>>>>> straighaway.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I got access to specialist service straight away
>>>>>> and so does the mate of mine with diabetes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Whether it's politically feasible under
>>>>>>>>> current situtation is another story.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It's scam that we have to get health insurance now, when we
>>>>>>>>>>> already pay medicare levy.
>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> That�s overstated. If the levy was high enough

>>>>>>>>>> to pay for everything delivered as quick as anyone

>>>>>>>>>> ever wanted it, they voters wouldn�t wear it.

>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yeah, that's a valid argument. But, it won't kill to give a go at
>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It would actually. No one has anything like that world wide.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think it's time we do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not enough do think that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> With growing populations and environmental hazards, etc, our health
>>>>>>> problems are getting more and more complicated by the day.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Whats actually happening is that we can do much
>>>>>> more than we could in the past, particularly with
>>>>>> kid born premature and with the geriatrics and
>>>>>> with those that have heart attacks and diabetes etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nothing to do with population numbers and
>>>>>> there are FAR fewer environmental problems
>>>>>> in the modern first world than there used to be.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A similar thing was spread around before the introduction of
>>>>>>>>> medicare system, not it's still around, and seems to be doing the
>>>>>>>>> job fine for all Australians.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Depends on what you want done. There are real downsides in some
>>>>>>>> situations like cataracts for example.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, you do believe in on the need for private health insurance under
>>>>>>> current system?!!
>>>>>>

>>>>>> Nope, I still don�t bother with it.

>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Many people, like myself are more than happy to pay higher levy or
>>>>>>>>> tax to get 'universal' medicare,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You are free to have that with health insurance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's not 'universal' health care. You get what you pay for.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You get it with the public system for free.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then again, you argue we don't need it, or may be rather, you don't
>>>>>>> need it?!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Neither in fact. I rub your nose in the fact that the public system
>>>>>> provides it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> so we won't have to get screwed by private health insurers.
>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> You don�t get screwed by them.

>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sure you do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nope, none of them make outrageous profits.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All the insurance companies are there for that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wrong. They just provide a service which some decide they want.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just make sure you read the fine print and microscopic print and
>>>>>>> understand it pretty well. Many get screwed and raped in the arse by
>>>>>>> not doing that homework.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Even sillier.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If should be a simpler system with a higher medicare levy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There are certainly some advantages with that approach,
>>>>>>>>>> but its far from clear that its politically feasible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jillard just put the levy up by half a percent to pay for NDIS.
>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> And that doesn�t even come close to raising what it costs.

>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yeah, I think that's true.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We know it is from the numbers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wonder where the money's gona come from??!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The only place it can come from, the taxpayers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure people are pissed off with her on that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Plenty are.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yep, likely.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I think it's many other issues she stuffed up
>>>>>>>>> that her ratings are pretty bad at the moment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All of them in fact.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think her work on school system is good,
>>>>>>

>>>>>> I don�t. She's pissing MUCH more money against the

>>>> Yeah, basically. That�s why the numbers

>>>> of kids in school keeps dropping even
>>>> tho they stay longer than they used to.
>>>>
>>>> The youngest turk is completing highschool
>>>> after having repeated one year. That never
>>>> happened before with someone that thick.
>>>>

>>>> That�s tons of money pissed against the wall.

>>>>
>>>> His older brother who is nothing like that thick still

>>>> hasn�t got a permanent job and is just another dole

>>>> bludger with wife and kid that we are paying for.
>>>>
>>>> He completed highschool too.
>>>>
>>>> Their mother never did go to school at all.
>>>>
>>>>>>> and growing health complications,
>>>>

>>>>>> That�s bullshit too.

>>>>
>>>>>>> we do need a system like that.
>>>>
>>>>>> Nope.
>>>>
>>>>>>> Capitalism, as we know and practice it, may not be conducive to such
>>>>>>> system though.
>>>>
>>>>>> Health care under any other system is MUCH worse.
>>>>
>>>>> Was it bad under Communist systems in Russia and East Germany?
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, they were stupid enough to reuse
>>>> needles and spread HIV/AIDS that way.
>>>>
>>>> Never managed to work out what stents and heart bypasses were about
>>>> either.
>>>>
>>>>> (one of my mates from Russia, who's a doctor, was really pissed off
>>>>> with the communist system 'cos he
>>>>> was getting paid the same as the janitor of the hospital, he's as
>>>>> happy as a pig in shit to be in Australia, where such 'trauma' never
>>>>> occurs. :)) )
>>>>

>>>> Yeah, that�s a large part of the reason their system was so hopeless.

>>>>
>>>>>>>>> but probably not by the current government, by the sound and looks
>>>>>>>>> of it, they need miracle to survive.
>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not even a miracle would do that now.
>>>>
>>>>>>>> Once you get to 30% of the primary vote,
>>>>>>>> no one has EVER come back from that.
>>>>
>>>>>>> Yeah, similar drama happened to John Coward six years ago.
>>>>
>>>>>> Nope, their primary vote never go anything like that.
>>>>
>>>>> We are yet to see the results of the election.
>>>>

>>>> Don�t need to. No one has ever managed to

>>>> come back from a 30% primary vote, EVER.
>>>>
>>>>> still three more months to go.
>>>>
>>>> She'll be FUCKING lucky if she manages to stay PM for that long.
>>>>
>>>>> Jillard might turn things around by then
>>>>
>>>> Not a chance.
>>>>
>>>> She'll be FUCKING lucky if she manages to stay PM for that long.
>>
>>> What can happen now to kick her out before that??!!
>>
>> Even the most stupid Labor caucus member
>> realises that they are gunna be flushed down
>> the tubes of history in their own personal seat.
>>
>> When they realise that, they will try ANYTHING.

> Like bringing Rudd back?!

Time will tell.

I doubt it given the utter fiasco we saw the last time,
but in the very unlikely event that the bulk of the caucus
want him, he would certainly accept being drafted.

I just cant see the bulk of the caucus being that stupid.

Those who have some confidence that they will keep
their own seats appear to be doing things for the best
result for them after they lose the next election.

> They seem to be getting desperate now. Even Bill Shorten is rumoured to
> may have defected from Jillard camp.

But doesn�t appear to have the balls to see if anyone
will vote for him instead.

Bet he's waiting till Juliar loses the election as comprehsively
as NSW Labor lost theirs and then stand for leadership when
Juliar gets flushed where she belongs and Swan has lost his seat.

>>>>> and become the first female fully elected PM, eh?!!
>>
>>>> Labor only ever has a woman when
>>>> there is no chance of staying in govt.
>>
>>> I'm beginning to believe, that might be true.
>>
>> Its been true for a long time now.
>>
>>>>> What do u reckon?!
>>
>>>> She's dead, Jim. You into necrophilia ?
>>
>>> Me??! Nah.
>>> I've seen enough of you already. :))
>>
>>>> The pet hairdresser obviously is.
>>
>>> He's the only bloke hairdresser in da country who happens to be not gay.
>>

>> Don�t believe that last.

>>
>>> Give him some credits. :)
>>
>>>>>>> He lost badly,
>>
>>>>>> Pigs arse he did.
>>
>>>>> Didn't he lose his seat to McKew?!!
>>
>>>> But not BADLY.
>>
>>> How bad can it be losing his own seat in addition to getting kicked out
>>> of the governent, strainght to the cemetary??!!!

>> He'd decided to get out,

> That's bullshit.

Nope. He just didn�t see that that fool costello had
a better change of not losing the election for the govt.

He was right on that.

> You know that.

Nope.

> He wanted another go at being the PM

Nope. He certainly wanted to see his govt
returned, but planned to quit once it was.

> and make sure his work (no)choices to be the future of industry policy.

He didn�t have to stay in parliament to see
that, just get his govt re-elected again.

> He would've been most certainly lost regardless of electoral boundary
> reassignment.

Wrong.

> He's dead now. Forget about him.

No thanks. He leaves Juliar for dead even now on what he got done.

> He's the chairman of the 'Universal conservative party', which is meant
> for retired pollies with dementia.

Even sillier.

> No body gives him a job anymore that matters to public. Just light a
> candle for him. That's all we can do now.

He leaves Hawke for dead.

> Only good thing he's done was kicking the nuts of the gun nutters in the
> country. A damn good job for sure.

That was the stupidest thing he ever did.

> The rest is a mess.

Nope, leaves anything the dud or Juliar has done for dead.

> Focus on Tony the Abbot. He's the only one in the liberal party with a
> direct connection between his and Howard's head.
> He's your only hope, Jim.

Anything would be a vast improvement on the dud and Juliar.

>> the boundary changes made that seat unwinnable by the Libs. That�s all

>> that happened.

> That's bullshit. Libs have won it in the last election quite comfortably.

That�s just plain wrong.

>>>>>>> regardless of all the tax handouts.
>>>>
>>>>>> Even sillier.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And I may need to choose between the rope and exile in Antarctica,
>>>>>>>>> eh?!!
>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yep.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Now, we don't have a choice and get punished by the tax man if
>>>>>>>>>>> we don't get health insurance.
>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> I don�t.

[Damian]

"Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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>>> Doesn�t change a single fact.

>>>
>>>> and I didn't manage to convince you either.
>>>> Whether there is such effect or not,
>>>
>>> There isnt.
>>>
>>>> I know this much, I successfully restored weak voltage NiMH and NiCd
>>>> batteries by discharging them fullly and recharging them again.
>>>> I had to do it couple or times or more though.
>>>
>>> Its bullshit with NiMH.
>>>
>>>> Since, you are a chemistry guru, I'm sure you know more about this
>>>> stuff.
>>>
>>> Yep, there is no memory effect with NiMH.
>>>
>>>>> and they use Li-Ion now anyway.
>>>
>>>> Yes, The latest Li-Ion technology suppose to be even better than Lead
>>>> acid batteries in terms of the power
>>>> they can hold and in some cases longevity as well, but such Li-Ion
>>>> batteries are still pretty expensive.
>>>
>>> Not with the mobile phones being discussed they arent.
>
>> AFAIK, such high Li-Ion battery technology hasn't been introduced to
>> mobile phones yet.
>
> Been there for a long time now. Even the Nokia 6310i had it

> and it�s a FUCKING old stupidphone now.
>

I meant the latest Li-Ion ones in high end electric cars.
They are still proto-type kind of thing.
Not the traditional Li-Ion ones.
They are meant to replace Lead acid in time.
I'm yet to see that.

>> They are just being used for high end electric cars AFAIK.
>
> Fraid not. Almost universal in phones now, and laptops too.
>

I meant the latest high tech Li-Ion ones. They are just being used in high
end electric cars.
Pretty expensive, but very effective, according to the manufacturer.
They are meant to replace the lead acid batteries in time. Dunno about that.
We have to wait and see.

>> In time, they may phase out lead acid batteries.
>

> I don�t it with normal car batterys.

>
>> Lead acids are powerful and long lasting, yet as heavy as an elephant.
>
> Not necessarily with the smaller sealed ones.
>
>> It's time to let them go I reckon.
>
> Just not viable to do that with car batterys alone.
>
>> Downside of Li-Ion is that they are pretty capable TNT bombs in right
>> conditions.
>

> They don�t actually explode, just catch fire.

>
>> You wouldn't wanna be inside an electric car, or anywhere near it, that
>> being caught fire.
>
> Its no worse than a petrol car.
>
>> Having said that, gasoline cars have the gasoline tank, which is as bad
>> as Li-Ion or even worse I reckon?!!
>
> Much worse in fact.
>
>>>> They use them in high end electric cars.
>>>
>>> Sure, but there isnt anything in it price wise with mobile phones.
>>>
>>>>>> You can benefit from having a charger that allows you to discharge
>>>>>> the battery and recharge back to it's full capacity.
>>>
>>>>> No.
>>>
>>>> My experience so far with NiCD and NiMH says otherwise.
>>>

>>> No it doesn�t. You're just fooling yourself.

>>>
>>> My cordless phones all use NiMH and there is no memory effect
>>> what so ever with those. They are never ever fully discharged and
>>> when you use a good high quality NiMH there is never ever any
>>> memory effect.
>
>> The word 'memory effect' may be a loose term.
>

> It basically refers to the effect where you don�t get the full capacity

> on a charge unless you discharge it completely occasionally.
>
>> But, some NiCD and NiMH batteries do get sluggish after continuous use
>> without fully charging them.
>
> Not the good NiMH batterys with a well designed charger.
>
>> Then I managed to restore to acceptable levels by discharging them for
>> hours, slowly, using the discharge function on a charger.
>> Then recharge/discharge couple more times.
>> You may be right about the good high quality NiMH.
>> But, where do you get such ones?!! Can you suggest brands, sellers?!!!!
>
> Eneloops are fine. Dick Smith has them at half price occasionally
> in their email offers.
>

Ok. I usually go for ALDI ones. I will try them next time.

>>>>>> I'm not sure about the memory effect on LiIon batteries though.
>>>
>>>>> There is none.
>>>
>>>> Correct.
>>>
>>> I always am.
>
>> You are being delusional.
>
> Nope.
>
>> Is pope catholic?!! :-))
>
> Just another child molester.
>

Come on! You know he isn't. It's that he's hopeless at stopping it.
And the church has done a good job hiding them for past thirty-fourty years.
I don't think they will be doing it anymore, they can't afford to.

[Rod Speed]

"Damian" <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote in message

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>>>> Doesn�t change a single fact.

>>>>
>>>>> and I didn't manage to convince you either.
>>>>> Whether there is such effect or not,
>>>>
>>>> There isnt.
>>>>
>>>>> I know this much, I successfully restored weak voltage NiMH and NiCd
>>>>> batteries by discharging them fullly and recharging them again.
>>>>> I had to do it couple or times or more though.
>>>>
>>>> Its bullshit with NiMH.
>>>>
>>>>> Since, you are a chemistry guru, I'm sure you know more about this
>>>>> stuff.
>>>>
>>>> Yep, there is no memory effect with NiMH.
>>>>
>>>>>> and they use Li-Ion now anyway.
>>>>
>>>>> Yes, The latest Li-Ion technology suppose to be even better than Lead
>>>>> acid batteries in terms of the power
>>>>> they can hold and in some cases longevity as well, but such Li-Ion
>>>>> batteries are still pretty expensive.
>>>>
>>>> Not with the mobile phones being discussed they arent.
>>
>>> AFAIK, such high Li-Ion battery technology hasn't been introduced to
>>> mobile phones yet.
>>
>> Been there for a long time now. Even the Nokia 6310i had it

>> and it�s a FUCKING old stupidphone now.

>>
>
> I meant the latest Li-Ion ones in high end electric cars.
> They are still proto-type kind of thing.
> Not the traditional Li-Ion ones.
> They are meant to replace Lead acid in time.
> I'm yet to see that.
>
>>> They are just being used for high end electric cars AFAIK.
>>
>> Fraid not. Almost universal in phones now, and laptops too.
>>
>
> I meant the latest high tech Li-Ion ones. They are just being used in high
> end electric cars.
> Pretty expensive, but very effective, according to the manufacturer.
> They are meant to replace the lead acid batteries in time. Dunno about
> that.
> We have to wait and see.
>
>>> In time, they may phase out lead acid batteries.
>>

>> I don�t it with normal car batterys.

>>
>>> Lead acids are powerful and long lasting, yet as heavy as an elephant.
>>
>> Not necessarily with the smaller sealed ones.
>>
>>> It's time to let them go I reckon.
>>
>> Just not viable to do that with car batterys alone.
>>
>>> Downside of Li-Ion is that they are pretty capable TNT bombs in right
>>> conditions.
>>

>> They don�t actually explode, just catch fire.

>>
>>> You wouldn't wanna be inside an electric car, or anywhere near it, that
>>> being caught fire.
>>
>> Its no worse than a petrol car.
>>
>>> Having said that, gasoline cars have the gasoline tank, which is as bad
>>> as Li-Ion or even worse I reckon?!!
>>
>> Much worse in fact.
>>
>>>>> They use them in high end electric cars.
>>>>
>>>> Sure, but there isnt anything in it price wise with mobile phones.
>>>>
>>>>>>> You can benefit from having a charger that allows you to discharge
>>>>>>> the battery and recharge back to it's full capacity.
>>>>
>>>>>> No.
>>>>
>>>>> My experience so far with NiCD and NiMH says otherwise.
>>>>

>>>> No it doesn�t. You're just fooling yourself.

>>>>
>>>> My cordless phones all use NiMH and there is no memory effect
>>>> what so ever with those. They are never ever fully discharged and
>>>> when you use a good high quality NiMH there is never ever any
>>>> memory effect.
>>
>>> The word 'memory effect' may be a loose term.
>>

>> It basically refers to the effect where you don�t get the full capacity

>> on a charge unless you discharge it completely occasionally.
>>
>>> But, some NiCD and NiMH batteries do get sluggish after continuous use
>>> without fully charging them.
>>
>> Not the good NiMH batterys with a well designed charger.
>>
>>> Then I managed to restore to acceptable levels by discharging them for
>>> hours, slowly, using the discharge function on a charger.
>>> Then recharge/discharge couple more times.
>>> You may be right about the good high quality NiMH.
>>> But, where do you get such ones?!! Can you suggest brands, sellers?!!!!
>>
>> Eneloops are fine. Dick Smith has them at half price occasionally
>> in their email offers.
>>
>
> Ok. I usually go for ALDI ones. I will try them next time.
>
>>>>>>> I'm not sure about the memory effect on LiIon batteries though.
>>>>
>>>>>> There is none.
>>>>
>>>>> Correct.
>>>>
>>>> I always am.
>>
>>> You are being delusional.
>>
>> Nope.
>>
>>> Is pope catholic?!! :-))
>>
>> Just another child molester.

> Come on! You know he isn't.

I know nothing of the sort. He was a school teacher for a long time.

> It's that he's hopeless at stopping it.

Because he did it himself.

> And the church has done a good job hiding them for past thirty-fourty
> years.

And with what the popes have got up to in spades.

> I don't think they will be doing it anymore,

They do anyway.

> they can't afford to.

Pel hasn�t even had to flog the palace in Rome that he stays in.

[Frank Slootweg]

> > That?s just plain wrong. My cordless phones all get used

> > like that and never ever get run down even occasionally.
> >

> > My torch doesn?t either.

> >
> >> [...]
> >>
> >>> >> You can benefit from having a charger that allows you to discharge
> >>> >> the
> >>> >> battery and recharge back to it's full capacity.
> >>> >
> >>> > No.
> >>
> >> Well, as the above reference explains, and as your, mine and other
> >> people's experience confirms, Rod's quite wrong on this one.
> >
> > Nope.
>
> Like I said, I ain't capable of convincing you. You are the one with the
> Chemistry experties. :-)

Roddles is wrong. His 'counter' is meaningless. He basically says "I
haven't had problem X, so problem X doesn't exist!". That kind of
'logic' might 'work' in his parallel universe, in the real world we
don't accept such bollocks.

[Frank Slootweg]

Agreed.

[Rod Speed]

"Frank Slootweg" <th...@ddress.is.invalid> wrote in message

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You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.

That’s the evidence that there is no memory effect with NiMH, fuckwit.

[Frank Slootweg]

> That?s the evidence that there is no memory effect with NiMH, fuckwit.

I would think that a 'chemistry expert' would know the difference
between the blue and pink pills, but apparently this particular one
doesn't.

[Rod Speed]

"Frank Slootweg" <th...@ddress.is.invalid> wrote in message

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Like I said, you never ever could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.

[Rod Speed]

"Damian" <damian...@y7mail.com> wrote in message

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>>>> Doesn�t change a single fact.

>>>>
>>>>> and I didn't manage to convince you either.
>>>>> Whether there is such effect or not,
>>>>
>>>> There isnt.
>>>>
>>>>> I know this much, I successfully restored weak voltage NiMH and NiCd
>>>>> batteries by discharging them fullly and recharging them again.
>>>>> I had to do it couple or times or more though.
>>>>
>>>> Its bullshit with NiMH.
>>>>
>>>>> Since, you are a chemistry guru, I'm sure you know more about this
>>>>> stuff.
>>>>
>>>> Yep, there is no memory effect with NiMH.
>>>>
>>>>>> and they use Li-Ion now anyway.
>>>>
>>>>> Yes, The latest Li-Ion technology suppose to be even better than Lead
>>>>> acid batteries in terms of the power
>>>>> they can hold and in some cases longevity as well, but such Li-Ion
>>>>> batteries are still pretty expensive.
>>>>
>>>> Not with the mobile phones being discussed they arent.
>>
>>> AFAIK, such high Li-Ion battery technology hasn't been introduced to
>>> mobile phones yet.
>>
>> Been there for a long time now. Even the Nokia 6310i had it

>> and it�s a FUCKING old stupidphone now.

>>
>
> I meant the latest Li-Ion ones in high end electric cars.
> They are still proto-type kind of thing.
> Not the traditional Li-Ion ones.
> They are meant to replace Lead acid in time.
> I'm yet to see that.
>
>>> They are just being used for high end electric cars AFAIK.
>>
>> Fraid not. Almost universal in phones now, and laptops too.
>>
>
> I meant the latest high tech Li-Ion ones. They are just being used in high
> end electric cars.
> Pretty expensive, but very effective, according to the manufacturer.
> They are meant to replace the lead acid batteries in time. Dunno about
> that.
> We have to wait and see.
>
>>> In time, they may phase out lead acid batteries.
>>

>> I don�t it with normal car batterys.

>>
>>> Lead acids are powerful and long lasting, yet as heavy as an elephant.
>>
>> Not necessarily with the smaller sealed ones.
>>
>>> It's time to let them go I reckon.
>>
>> Just not viable to do that with car batterys alone.
>>
>>> Downside of Li-Ion is that they are pretty capable TNT bombs in right
>>> conditions.
>>

>> They don�t actually explode, just catch fire.

>>
>>> You wouldn't wanna be inside an electric car, or anywhere near it, that
>>> being caught fire.
>>
>> Its no worse than a petrol car.
>>
>>> Having said that, gasoline cars have the gasoline tank, which is as bad
>>> as Li-Ion or even worse I reckon?!!
>>
>> Much worse in fact.
>>
>>>>> They use them in high end electric cars.
>>>>
>>>> Sure, but there isnt anything in it price wise with mobile phones.
>>>>
>>>>>>> You can benefit from having a charger that allows you to discharge
>>>>>>> the battery and recharge back to it's full capacity.
>>>>
>>>>>> No.
>>>>
>>>>> My experience so far with NiCD and NiMH says otherwise.
>>>>

>>>> No it doesn�t. You're just fooling yourself.

>>>>
>>>> My cordless phones all use NiMH and there is no memory effect
>>>> what so ever with those. They are never ever fully discharged and
>>>> when you use a good high quality NiMH there is never ever any
>>>> memory effect.
>>
>>> The word 'memory effect' may be a loose term.
>>

>> It basically refers to the effect where you don�t get the full capacity

>> on a charge unless you discharge it completely occasionally.
>>
>>> But, some NiCD and NiMH batteries do get sluggish after continuous use
>>> without fully charging them.
>>
>> Not the good NiMH batterys with a well designed charger.
>>
>>> Then I managed to restore to acceptable levels by discharging them for
>>> hours, slowly, using the discharge function on a charger.
>>> Then recharge/discharge couple more times.
>>> You may be right about the good high quality NiMH.
>>> But, where do you get such ones?!! Can you suggest brands, sellers?!!!!
>>
>> Eneloops are fine. Dick Smith has them at half price occasionally
>> in their email offers.
>>
>
> Ok. I usually go for ALDI ones. I will try them next time.

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