Crappy Westnet news server - Anyone know a good news service?
Hunter
server, and it's dropping posts left/right/centre, including my own
which somehow seem to propogate through it to receive replies but in
many cases are not being held on it.
Anyone know of a good news service that ain't super expensive and is
decently speedy when pulling headers down to Oz?
Hunter
candidate....
Rob
http://www.eternal-september.org/
seems OK, free you have to signup. Worth a try.
just had my ISP drop the news server - which was free - now have to
count the external downloads -
there is also - nntp.aioe.org been down a bit of late.
r
CyBorg 0091
try usenet.com.au (I think)or googlegroups.com work ok
Hunter
No nntp with google groups and from a quick look usenet.com.au has a
very limited list of newsgroups? :(
Hunter
I'll give the one that goes down a bit a miss, but eternal september
looks worth a bash, might register and check it out. Cheers dude.
Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF
If you want to give iiNet the flick, churn to Internode. They give you Astraweb
as part of the package. Its OK if you can put up with their 3 crosspost limit.
Its a very fast link. At least 5,000 headers in a few seconds.
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- KRudd at his finest.
"The Labour Party is corrupt beyond redemption!"
- Labour hasbeen Mark Latham in a moment of honest clarity.
"This is the recession we had to have!"
- Paul Keating explaining why he gave Australia another Labour recession.
"Silly old bugger!"
- Well known ACTU pisspot and sometime Labour prime minister Bob Hawke
responding to a pensioner who dared ask for more.
"By 1990, no child will live in poverty"
- Bob Hawke again, desperate to win another election.
"A billion trees ..."
- Borke, pissed as a newt again.
"Well may we say 'God save the Queen' because nothing will save the governor
general!"
- Egotistical shithead and pompous fuckwit E.G. Whitlam whining about his
appointee for Governor General John Kerr.
"SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU DUMB CUNT!"
- FlangesBum on learning the truth about Labour's economic capabilities.
"I don't care what you fuckers think!"
- KRudd the KRude at his finest again.
"We'll just change it all when we get in."
- Garrett the carrott
Hunter
Eternal September seems pretty damn good so far, have found a couple of
the missing replies and everything seems lightning quick in comparison
to giganews. Can't be bothered digging through for all of the stuff that
went missing but don't expect I should lose anything else. Many thanks
for the pointer dude.
Sandgroper
"Hunter" <hunt...@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
news:ftidnYlS9KTjMY3W...@westnet.com.au...
Westnet/iiNet uses giganews , if you are having problems , then the best way
to fix it is by rebuilding the list of Ngs ( re-download a new list ) and
then deleting all your Ngs and then re-subscribing to your Ngs again .
You may have an Ng article ID clash between giganews and what you have on
your system which causes the symptoms that you have described.
You will also need to set your download limit to 500 articles otherwise you
will get articles dating back to 2003.
Also make sure you have set the right timezone for your system , it looks
like you have it currently set to daylight savings time.
I am with iiNet and I have not having any problem with giganews in the last
week , there were problems with giganews during the initial changeover from
iiNet to giganews , but those problems have been fixed and there is quite a
few people in iinet.general that keeps tabs on the news server's performance
and if there is a problem , then they make sure that it gets fixed.
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Hunter
> Hunter wrote:
>
>> Arrrggghhh, iinet has recently moved its' users onto the westnet news
>> server,
>
Yeah, I was just going by the email they sent out, noticed the giganews
part in the header after I'd made that post, so obviously the "Westnet
server" is just a redirection to the giganews nntp nodes.
> Yes, it's farking slow by comparison with the old news.iinet.net.au, but
> retention/propogation is reasonably good. You might want to reset your
> article counts if you're still experiencing issues.
Did so straight off the bat, still kept getting problems so completely
wiped all record of the news-server from my news client including the
cached files and so on, problems kept occuring. Lived with it but got
the shits when I'd queued a heap of posts, shot them all off and only
half showed up. Seems most got through but for some reason seemed to be
passed straight onto other servers but not retained on giganews itself,
then started spotting numerous responses to responses but not the
responses themselves so gave up on Giganews. The retention period is
great, but kind of pointless when it loses so many posts.
>> Anyone know of a good news service that ain't super expensive and is
>> decently speedy when pulling headers down to Oz?
>
> I became so frustrated with the (lack of) performance that I set up my
> own small news 'server' using Leafnode.
Started writing my own news reader back in the late 90's because there
was a lot of functionality I wanted that didn't exist in the then
Netscape combined browser/nntp client/mail client I was using, but alas
work started encroaching way too much into my free time so that project
was never completed, and these days I'd be hard pressed to get as far as
setting up an nntp node even with out-of-the-box software, too much
hassle! :)
Hunter
> Hunter wrote:
>> Arrrggghhh, iinet has recently moved its' users onto the westnet news
>> server, and it's dropping posts left/right/centre, including my own
>> which somehow seem to propogate through it to receive replies but in
>> many cases are not being held on it.
>>
>> Anyone know of a good news service that ain't super expensive and is
>> decently speedy when pulling headers down to Oz?
>
> If you want to give iiNet the flick, churn to Internode. They give you
> Astraweb as part of the package. Its OK if you can put up with their 3
> crosspost limit. Its a very fast link. At least 5,000 headers in a few
> seconds.
All good, I've been really happy with iiNet's service except for this
glitch, despite all the horror stories I'd heard about iiNet prior to me
jumping ship from AMNet. I hear AMNet isn't too bad, but after the cunts
took over Arachnet here in Perth, and chose a Xmas to New Years break to
do the cutover in (the one time of the year we actually get to spend a
bit of time online), and totally fucked it up, and refused to answer any
phone number during that period I wont go near them again with a barge pole.
The news-server that Rob suggested is working beautifully, and lightning
fast as well, me is a happy puppy now and can get back to my bourbon and
back to taking the piss out of fagsnads and his cohorts! :)
Hunter
Did all of the above (other than daylight savings) but still kept
getting problems, but all good Rob pointed me to a free alternative
that's working fine.
Daylight savings I've left intentionally broken as at work we're having
problems with our VMWare View setup where people logging into View
sessions from home are having issues to do with their home machines not
being on the correct timezone, and this syncing into the View session
and causing all sorts of nasties on some of our systems, so my machine
at home is the sacrificial lamb for testing the fixes we're trying. But
that's another story altogether, although I'd love it if anyone is using
View and has a solution to this.
We've tried the fix from here:
but no go, although it's a 3.0.2 fix, and we were running 3.1.2. Now
running 4 and the problem still there. Weirdly whilst the timezone info
shows fine in a patched up environment, in a "bad" environment (such as
my machine) it seems to show the start date for daylight savings and end
date as being the same date, which whilst is a "fix" that works fine for
the clock itself (if that is the solution the above URL is supposed to
achieve, doubtful from the name of the reg key though) still breaks
things when apps are using checks on the start/finish dates for looking
up historical data or putting in future dated data.
Hmmm, seem to have gone off on a VMWare View problem rant, spose I'll
change the subject on the off chance anyone else out there is using this
and might be able to shed some light on things.
Rob
>
> If you want to give iiNet the flick, churn to Internode. They give you
> Astraweb as part of the package. Its OK if you can put up with their 3
> crosspost limit. Its a very fast link. At least 5,000 headers in a few
> seconds.
>
How do you manage with only 3 crossposts?
Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF
Not very easily but I've lastest for 11 months now so I've gotten used to it.
Sandgroper
Actually there IS a problem with iiNet's news server , after reading your
post I did some checking , it appears that it take up to 5 - 10 minutes for
a new post to show up in a Ng and replying to the thread will take even
longer, up to 15 minutes or that the reply article gets dropped.
My original post to you didn't show up in aus.computers and I am replying to
your post using reader.telstra news server.
Keep an eye on iinet.test , you will be able to find out what's going on
with the news server.
I opened a thread on Whirlpool so hopefully somebody at iiNet will fix the
problem.
>
> Daylight savings I've left intentionally broken as at work we're having
> problems with our VMWare View setup where people logging into View
> sessions from home are having issues to do with their home machines not
> being on the correct timezone, and this syncing into the View session and
> causing all sorts of nasties on some of our systems, so my machine at home
> is the sacrificial lamb for testing the fixes we're trying. But that's
> another story altogether, although I'd love it if anyone is using View and
> has a solution to this.
>
> We've tried the fix from here:
>
> http://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/microsites/search.do?language=en_US&cmd=displayKC&externalId=1006773
>
You could try and uncheck the box to enable daylight savings , I did that on
my XP desktop and I haven't had any problems.
Hunter
>>
>> Did all of the above (other than daylight savings) but still kept getting
>> problems, but all good Rob pointed me to a free alternative that's working
>> fine.
>
> Actually there IS a problem with iiNet's news server , after reading your
> post I did some checking , it appears that it take up to 5 - 10 minutes for
> a new post to show up in a Ng and replying to the thread will take even
> longer, up to 15 minutes or that the reply article gets dropped.
>
> My original post to you didn't show up in aus.computers and I am replying to
> your post using reader.telstra news server.
> Keep an eye on iinet.test , you will be able to find out what's going on
> with the news server.
> I opened a thread on Whirlpool so hopefully somebody at iiNet will fix the
> problem.
All good, this Eternal September mob seem to have a good thing going, so
I'll stick with this for now, it's free and does the job very nicely.
>> Daylight savings I've left intentionally broken as at work we're having
>> problems with our VMWare View setup where people logging into View
>> sessions from home are having issues to do with their home machines not
>> being on the correct timezone, and this syncing into the View session and
>> causing all sorts of nasties on some of our systems, so my machine at home
>> is the sacrificial lamb for testing the fixes we're trying. But that's
>> another story altogether, although I'd love it if anyone is using View and
>> has a solution to this.
>>
>> We've tried the fix from here:
>>
>> http://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/microsites/search.do?language=en_US&cmd=displayKC&externalId=1006773
>>
> You could try and uncheck the box to enable daylight savings , I did that on
> my XP desktop and I haven't had any problems.
Yeah tried that although I'd prefer to keep it on in the environment,
you never know when someone will try yet another forced daylight savings
trial on us and by then I'll have forgotten that I'd removed the tick.
But even with the tickbox off it still syncs to the machine the session
is running on (the time doesn't, the GMT time is still straight off the
ESX server, just the timezone information).
Kind of annoying, as the only patch from MS that seems to truly work is
an "on request" patch, and whilst we've deployed that in the work
environment I really don't want to be advising people to install it at
home, as the first machine that screws up within a week or twenty of
that patch being installed will have people banging on the door
screaming at us swearing black and blue that the patch we advised them
to install has caused doom and destruction on their home PC and
demanding support forever more for any issue that plagues them on said
home machine <shudder>.
Sandgroper
> Sandgroper wrote:
>> "Hunter" <hunt...@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
>> news:heqs6q$4lq$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>
>>> Did all of the above (other than daylight savings) but still kept
>>> getting problems, but all good Rob pointed me to a free alternative
>>> that's working fine.
>>
>> Actually there IS a problem with iiNet's news server , after reading your
>> post I did some checking , it appears that it take up to 5 - 10 minutes
>> for a new post to show up in a Ng and replying to the thread will take
>> even longer, up to 15 minutes or that the reply article gets dropped.
>>
>> My original post to you didn't show up in aus.computers and I am replying
>> to your post using reader.telstra news server.
>> Keep an eye on iinet.test , you will be able to find out what's going on
>> with the news server.
>> I opened a thread on Whirlpool so hopefully somebody at iiNet will fix
>> the problem.
>
>
> All good, this Eternal September mob seem to have a good thing going, so
> I'll stick with this for now, it's free and does the job very nicely.
>
>
reader.news.telstra.net
It has binaries and is reasonably reliable most of the time , I use it for
the binary Ngs and as a standby for when iiNet's news server stuffs up.
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.
Hunter
Freely available? Might take a look at some stage, but not really
interested in binaries, and this one seems to do the job with text based
newsgroups quite nicely.
Sandgroper
>>
>> It has binaries and is reasonably reliable most of the time , I use it
>> for the binary Ngs and as a standby for when iiNet's news server stuffs
>> up.
>
>
> Freely available? Might take a look at some stage, but not really
> interested in binaries, and this one seems to do the job with text based
> newsgroups quite nicely.
Yes , reader.telstra is free and it carries text and binaries.
Don McKenzie
been using this one for years now:
http://news.individual.net/
the others all failed for one reason or another.
There is a small fee for this one.
Set it and forget it.
Cheers Don...
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>
> The first problems I've noticed with giganews was yesterday - articles
> that left my machine 24 hours ago are only appearing _now_.
>
> News.individual.net may just be worth the few bucks after all (either
> that or churning to internode :-) )
That might explain why InterNude dropped GigaNews from their offering. They used
to offer both Astraweb and GigaNews. I decided to go with Astraweb (because it
didn't show the NNTP posting host). That was before I found out about the
crosspost limit (the arseholes don't mention this anywhere in the FAQ). They
dropped GigaNews some months ago and said it was because hardly anyone was using it.
Rod Speed
Rod Speed
> Hunter wrote:
>> Rob wrote:
>>> Hunter wrote:
>>>> Hmmmm, looks like they're using Giganews, that definitely wont be a
>>>> candidate....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hunter wrote:
>>>>> Arrrggghhh, iinet has recently moved its' users onto the westnet
>>>>> news server, and it's dropping posts left/right/centre, including
>>>>> my own which somehow seem to propogate through it to receive
>>>>> replies but in many cases are not being held on it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone know of a good news service that ain't super expensive and
>>>>> is decently speedy when pulling headers down to Oz?
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.eternal-september.org/
>>>
>>> seems OK, free you have to signup. Worth a try.
>>>
>>> just had my ISP drop the news server - which was free - now have to
>>> count the external downloads -
>>>
>>> there is also - nntp.aioe.org been down a bit of late.
>>>
>>> r
>>
>>
>> I'll give the one that goes down a bit a miss, but eternal september
>> looks worth a bash, might register and check it out. Cheers dude.
> Eternal September seems pretty damn good so far,
Its nowhere near as reliable as news.individual.net.
Rod Speed
> Andy wrote
>> The first problems I've noticed with giganews was yesterday -
>> articles that left my machine 24 hours ago are only appearing _now_.
>> News.individual.net may just be worth the few bucks after all (either that or churning to internode :-) )
> That might explain why InterNude dropped GigaNews from their offering. They used to offer both Astraweb and GigaNews.
> I decided to go with Astraweb (because it didn't show the NNTP posting host).
news.individual.net drops it too.
> That was before I found out about the crosspost limit
Yeah, fuck that.
> (the arseholes don't mention this anywhere in the FAQ).
And that.
Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF
> Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF " <""noujwas\"@yahoo.com . wrote
>> Andy wrote
>
>>> The first problems I've noticed with giganews was yesterday -
>>> articles that left my machine 24 hours ago are only appearing _now_.
>
>>> News.individual.net may just be worth the few bucks after all (either that or churning to internode :-) )
>
>> That might explain why InterNude dropped GigaNews from their offering. They used to offer both Astraweb and GigaNews.
>> I decided to go with Astraweb (because it didn't show the NNTP posting host).
>
> news.individual.net drops it too.
They also add a cancel lock to the headers. Which is good if you ever post to
alt.religion.islam. There's an arselifter there who tries to cancel the posts of
everyone who isn't an arselifter. He can't seem to cancel my posts for some
reason though. ;-)
>> That was before I found out about the crosspost limit
>
> Yeah, fuck that.
Damn annoying. And the pricks don't admit to it.
--
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ipvdBnU8F8
- KRudd at his finest.
"The Labour Party is corrupt beyond redemption!"
- Labour hasbeen Mark Latham in a moment of honest clarity.
"This is the recession we had to have!"
- Paul Keating explaining why he gave Australia another Labour recession.
"Silly old bugger!"
- Well known ACTU pisspot and sometime Labour prime minister Bob Hawke
responding to a pensioner who dared ask for more.
"By 1990, no child will live in poverty"
- Bob Hawke again, desperate to win another election.
"A billion trees ..."
- Borke, pissed as a newt again.
"Well may we say 'God save the Queen' because nothing will save the governor
general!"
- Egotistical shithead and pompous fuckwit E.G. Whitlam whining about his
appointee for Governor General John Kerr.
"SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU DUMB CUNT!"
- FlangesBum on learning the truth about Labour's economic capabilities.
"I don't care what you fuckers think!"
- KRudd the KRude Rat at his finest again.
Polly the Parrot
<""noujwas\"@yahoo.com ."> wrote:
>>> That was before I found out about the crosspost limit
>>
>> Yeah, fuck that.
>
>Damn annoying. And the pricks don't admit to it.
You can add extra newsgroups to a "Follow Up" field and news. individual.net
will post these groups as well.
Provided your client allows you to add this field, of course.
keithr
> Rod Speed wrote:
>> Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF " <""noujwas\"@yahoo.com . wrote
>>> Andy wrote
>>
>>>> The first problems I've noticed with giganews was yesterday -
>>>> articles that left my machine 24 hours ago are only appearing _now_.
>>
>>>> News.individual.net may just be worth the few bucks after all
>>>> (either that or churning to internode :-) )
>>
>>> That might explain why InterNude dropped GigaNews from their
>>> offering. They used to offer both Astraweb and GigaNews. I decided to
>>> go with Astraweb (because it didn't show the NNTP posting host).
>>
>> news.individual.net drops it too.
>
> They also add a cancel lock to the headers. Which is good if you ever
> post to alt.religion.islam. There's an arselifter there who tries to
> cancel the posts of everyone who isn't an arselifter. He can't seem to
> cancel my posts for some reason though. ;-)
>
>>> That was before I found out about the crosspost limit
>>
>> Yeah, fuck that.
>
> Damn annoying. And the pricks don't admit to it.
>
you want to cross post you should have to type it in each time. That
would cut down on the pricks who want to splatter their crap right
across Usenet.
Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF
> On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 15:18:33 +1100, "Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF "
> <""noujwas\"@yahoo.com ."> wrote:
>
>>>> That was before I found out about the crosspost limit
>>> Yeah, fuck that.
>> Damn annoying. And the pricks don't admit to it.
>
> You can add extra newsgroups to a "Follow Up" field and news. individual.net
> will post these groups as well.
Er, yes, I know. But I'd like to crosspost to 6 newsgroups at a time to piss off
the Google spammers. It always drives them up the wall not knowing which one to
take out. ;-)
Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF
That's why I want to start a campaign to stop newsservers accepting feeds from
Google Groups. That will nuke 95% of spam.
anm
Ooh!
How I agree with you!!!
I have that DH (desert head) "John Howard" - or variations thereof - kill-
filed on a bundle of newsgroups.
Unfortunately the intellectually challenged DH pops up on me 'cos of
cross posting.
I am one with you ....
While properly used, cross posting is a reasonable tool, DHs/tools like
JH eff it up to the degree that it is useless!
Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF
*PLONK*
Rod Speed
It would also lose 50% of the non spam posts too.
Rod Speed
>>> That's why I want to start a campaign to stop newsservers accepting
>>> feeds from Google Groups. That will nuke 95% of spam.
>> It would also lose 50% of the non spam posts too.
> Nowhere near it.
Depends on the newsgroup.
> There's little, if anything, of value being posted from Google Groups.
Wrong, as always.
> I've had the lot killfiled for years.
So you wouldnt know what you are missing thats posted from there.
Rod Speed
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Andy wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF " <""noujwas\"@yahoo.com . wrote
>>>>> That's why I want to start a campaign to stop newsservers
>>>>> accepting feeds from Google Groups. That will nuke 95% of spam.
>>>> It would also lose 50% of the non spam posts too.
>>> Nowhere near it.
>> Depends on the newsgroup.
> OK then, please provide us with the name of a _functional_ newsgroup
> that has received 50% of it's non spam traffic from googlegroups.com
sci.econ
> over the past 7 days.
Never said anything about the last 7 days.
>>> There's little, if anything, of value being posted from Google Groups.
>> Wrong, as always.
> No.
Yep.
http://groups.google.com/groups/search?q=groups.google+group%3Asci.econ
>>> I've had the lot killfiled for years.
>> So you wouldnt know what you are missing thats posted from there.
> I can see the number of articles killed while watching fetchnews
> go through the motions. It's nowhere near 50% of total posts.
Obviously varys with the newsgroups you read.
> More like 10 - 15% on a bad day.
Obviously varys with the newsgroups you read.
> I never used to filter GG - so I definitely *do* know what I'm missing posted from there.
Nope, not with the newsgroups you dont read you dont.
> Enjoy your Chinese sneaker spam.
Never ever see any of that. news.individual.net filters out that shit and keeps the non spam from groups.google too.
Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF
>
> Just killfile on Message-ID: googlegroups
ThunderBird doesn't seem to support that.
> (See the link in my .sig for the Usenet Improvement Project which
> relates to this.)
That's not related to that Usenet II nonsense some clowns tried back in the 80s
is it?
Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF
Far less than that.
Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF
> Rod Speed wrote:
>
>
>>> That's why I want to start a campaign to stop newsservers accepting
>>> feeds from Google Groups. That will nuke 95% of spam.
>> It would also lose 50% of the non spam posts too.
>
> from Google Groups. I've had the lot killfiled for years.
There are only two credible posters in aus.politics using GG. The rest of the
crap from GG is all spam. Either from Malcum Fabian, Turdcard or the gook
spammers and other assorted trolls.
Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF
> Andy wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF " <""noujwas\"@yahoo.com . wrote
>
>>>> That's why I want to start a campaign to stop newsservers accepting
>>>> feeds from Google Groups. That will nuke 95% of spam.
>
>>> It would also lose 50% of the non spam posts too.
>
>> Nowhere near it.
>
> Depends on the newsgroup.
They're all much of a muchness.
>> There's little, if anything, of value being posted from Google Groups.
>
> Wrong, as always.
Prove it!
>> I've had the lot killfiled for years.
>
> So you wouldnt know what you are missing thats posted from there.
He's missing nada.
Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF
Yes. There are some newsreaders that can filter by crossposts etc. Not sure
what's taking the Thunderbird team so long to catch up.
>>> (See the link in my .sig for the Usenet Improvement Project which
>>> relates to this.)
>> That's not related to that Usenet II nonsense some clowns tried back in the
>> 80s is it?
>
> Nah, haven't heard about 'Usenet 2' for a long time. Just a site
> dedicated to the abomination that is Google Groups.
In that case, I'll certainly have a look. Thanks.
Rod Speed
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Andy wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> Andy wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>> Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF " <""noujwas\"@yahoo.com . wrote
>>>>>>> That's why I want to start a campaign to stop newsservers
>>>>>>> accepting feeds from Google Groups. That will nuke 95% of spam.
>>>>>> It would also lose 50% of the non spam posts too.
>>>>> Nowhere near it.
>>>> Depends on the newsgroup.
>>> OK then, please provide us with the name of a _functional_ newsgroup
>>> that has received 50% of it's non spam traffic from googlegroups.com
>> sci.econ
> Basketcase full of US nutters, but functional none-the-less.
You never ever could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.
>>> over the past 7 days.
>> Never said anything about the last 7 days.
>>>>> There's little, if anything, of value being posted from Google Groups.
>>>> Wrong, as always.
>>> No.
>> Yep.
>> http://groups.google.com/groups/search?q=groups.google+group%3Asci.econ
>>>>> I've had the lot killfiled for years.
>>>> So you wouldnt know what you are missing thats posted from there.
>>> I can see the number of articles killed while watching fetchnews
>>> go through the motions. It's nowhere near 50% of total posts.
Doesnt tell you a damned thing about whats in those posts it drops.
>> Obviously varys with the newsgroups you read.
>>> More like 10 - 15% on a bad day.
>> Obviously varys with the newsgroups you read.
> It's 'varies'.
Nope.
>>> I never used to filter GG - so I definitely *do* know what I'm missing posted from there.
>> Nope, not with the newsgroups you dont read you dont.
>>> Enjoy your Chinese sneaker spam.
>> Never ever see any of that. news.individual.net filters out that
>> shit and keeps the non spam from groups.google too.
> Oh, you "don't know what you're missing out on" then.
You never ever could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.
Rod Speed
Rod Speed
Some gutless imposter claiming to be
>> Andy wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF " <""noujwas\"@yahoo.com . wrote
>>>>> That's why I want to start a campaign to stop newsservers
>>>>> accepting feeds from Google Groups. That will nuke 95% of spam.
>>>> It would also lose 50% of the non spam posts too.
>>> Nowhere near it.
>> Depends on the newsgroup.
> They're all much of a muchness.
Not as far as the percentage of posts from groups.google they aint.
>>> There's little, if anything, of value being posted from Google Groups.
>> Wrong, as always.
> Prove it!
Just did.
http://groups.google.com/groups/search?q=groups.google
>>> I've had the lot killfiled for years.
>> So you wouldnt know what you are missing thats posted from there.
> He's missing nada.
Just another of your pig ignorant lies.
Rod Speed
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Varys with the newsgroup.
> It's 'varies'
Wrong, as always, you terminal fuckwit.
Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF
> Some gutless imposter claiming to be
> Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF " <""wassim.noujwas\"@yahoo.com is a tool . wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> Andy wrote
>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>> Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF " <""noujwas\"@yahoo.com . wrote
>
>>>>>> That's why I want to start a campaign to stop newsservers
>>>>>> accepting feeds from Google Groups. That will nuke 95% of spam.
>
>>>>> It would also lose 50% of the non spam posts too.
>
>>>> Nowhere near it.
>
>>> Depends on the newsgroup.
>
>> They're all much of a muchness.
>
> Not as far as the percentage of posts from groups.google they aint.
While its true GG spammers target some groups more than others, most of the crap
from GG is still spam.
>>>> There's little, if anything, of value being posted from Google Groups.
>
>>> Wrong, as always.
>
>> Prove it!
>
> Just did.
> http://groups.google.com/groups/search?q=groups.google
Nope.
>>>> I've had the lot killfiled for years.
>
>>> So you wouldnt know what you are missing thats posted from there.
>
>> He's missing nada.
>
> Just another of your pig ignorant lies.
On what basis do you make that claim?
Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF
Your responses, as always, are invariably odd.
keithr
>> Andy wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>
>>>> Varys with the newsgroup.
>>
>>> It's 'varies'
>>
>> Wrong, as always, you terminal fuckwit.
>
> Your responses, as always, are invariably odd.
>
11 lines of message, 30 lines of sig. Pretty piss poor signal to noise.
keithr
has your attitude.
Rod Speed
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Some gutless imposter claiming to be
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> Andy wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>> Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF " <""noujwas\"@yahoo.com . wrote
>>>>>>> That's why I want to start a campaign to stop newsservers
>>>>>>> accepting feeds from Google Groups. That will nuke 95% of spam.
>>>>>> It would also lose 50% of the non spam posts too.
>>>>> Nowhere near it.
>>>> Depends on the newsgroup.
>>> They're all much of a muchness.
>> Not as far as the percentage of posts from groups.google they aint.
> While its true GG spammers target some groups more than others, most of the crap from GG is still spam.
Not if you use a news server that flushes the spam.
>>>>> There's little, if anything, of value being posted from Google Groups.
>>>> Wrong, as always.
>>> Prove it!
>> Just did.
>> http://groups.google.com/groups/search?q=groups.google
> Nope.
Yep.
>>>>> I've had the lot killfiled for years.
>>>> So you wouldnt know what you are missing thats posted from there.
>>> He's missing nada.
>> Just another of your pig ignorant lies.
> On what basis do you make that claim?
http://groups.google.com/groups/search?q=groups.google
Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF
> Some gutless imposter claiming to be
> Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF " <""wassim.noujwas\"@yahoo.com is a tool wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> Some gutless imposter claiming to be
>>> Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF " <""wassim.noujwas\"@yahoo.com is a tool wrote
>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>> Andy wrote
>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>> Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF " <""noujwas\"@yahoo.com . wrote
>
>>>>>>>> That's why I want to start a campaign to stop newsservers
>>>>>>>> accepting feeds from Google Groups. That will nuke 95% of spam.
>
>>>>>>> It would also lose 50% of the non spam posts too.
>
>>>>>> Nowhere near it.
>
>>>>> Depends on the newsgroup.
>
>>>> They're all much of a muchness.
>
>>> Not as far as the percentage of posts from groups.google they aint.
>
>> While its true GG spammers target some groups more than others, most of the crap from GG is still spam.
>
> Not if you use a news server that flushes the spam.
It would have to be a very good newsserver. Always keeping up with the latest
spammer mutations.
>>>>>> There's little, if anything, of value being posted from Google Groups.
>
>>>>> Wrong, as always.
>
>>>> Prove it!
>
>>> Just did.
>>> http://groups.google.com/groups/search?q=groups.google
>
>> Nope.
>
> Yep.
Nope.
>>>>>> I've had the lot killfiled for years.
>
>>>>> So you wouldnt know what you are missing thats posted from there.
>
>>>> He's missing nada.
>
>>> Just another of your pig ignorant lies.
>
>> On what basis do you make that claim?
>
> http://groups.google.com/groups/search?q=groups.google
Meaningless.
Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF
> Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF wrote:
>
>> Some gutless imposter claiming to be Rod Speed wrote:
>>> Some gutless imposter claiming to be
>>> Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF " <""wassim.noujwas\"@yahoo.com is a tool . wrote
>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>> Andy wrote
>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>> Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF " <""noujwas\"@yahoo.com . wrote
>>>>>>>> That's why I want to start a campaign to stop newsservers
>>>>>>>> accepting feeds from Google Groups. That will nuke 95% of spam.
>>>>>>> It would also lose 50% of the non spam posts too.
>>>>>> Nowhere near it.
>>>>> Depends on the newsgroup.
>>>> They're all much of a muchness.
>>> Not as far as the percentage of posts from groups.google they aint.
>> While its true GG spammers target some groups more than others, most of the crap
>> from GG is still spam.
>
> semi-literate fuckwits. Maybe that's why Rod likes them so much.
Funny. I've never seen him 'converse' with Malcum or Turdcard.
>>>>>> There's little, if anything, of value being posted from Google Groups.
>>>>> Wrong, as always.
>>>> Prove it!
>>> Just did.
>>> http://groups.google.com/groups/search?q=groups.google
>> Nope.
>
> Nope.
>
>>>>>> I've had the lot killfiled for years.
>>>>> So you wouldnt know what you are missing thats posted from there.
>>>> He's missing nada.
>>> Just another of your pig ignorant lies.
>> On what basis do you make that claim?
>
> The basis of 'he's pulled it out of his arse' most likely.
He's probably gotten used to the pain by now.
Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF
> Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF wrote:
>
>> Andy wrote:
>>> Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF wrote:
>
>>>> While its true GG spammers target some groups more than others, most of the crap
>>>> from GG is still spam.
>>> Yep. If not proper SPAM, crossposted offtopic garbage posted by
>>> semi-literate fuckwits. Maybe that's why Rod likes them so much.
>> Funny. I've never seen him 'converse' with Malcum or Turdcard.
>
> into the newsgroups randomly, without purpose.
I know. Hence the quotes.
> As for Turdcard - that fucker is /still/ around?
Unfortunately.
> Points for 'longevity'
> I spose, a bit like that MI5 conspiracy nutbag in the UK (maybe they
> eventually came for him after all - I haven't seen any posts from him
> for a while come to think of it).
Geez, I'd forgotten all about that loon.
Rod Speed
>>>>>>> Nowhere near it.
>>>>>> Depends on the newsgroup.
Nope.
> Always keeping up with the latest spammer mutations.
No need to do that, just analyse the rate of identical posts to multiple groups.
news.individual.net does it fine.
>>>>>>> There's little, if anything, of value being posted from Google Groups.
>
>>>>>> Wrong, as always.
>>>>> Prove it!
>>>> Just did.
>>>> http://groups.google.com/groups/search?q=groups.google
>>> Nope.
>> Yep.
> Nope.
Everyone can see for themselves that you are lying.
>>>>>>> I've had the lot killfiled for years.
>>>>>> So you wouldnt know what you are missing thats posted from there.
>>>>> He's missing nada.
>>>> Just another of your pig ignorant lies.
>>> On what basis do you make that claim?
>> http://groups.google.com/groups/search?q=groups.google
> Meaningless.
Everyone can see for themselves that you are lying.
Hugh Jeego
something, they stuff it up. They stuffed Ozemail badly.
"Hunter" <hunt...@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
news:ftidnYlS9KTjMY3W...@westnet.com.au...
> Arrrggghhh, iinet has recently moved its' users onto the westnet news
> server, and it's dropping posts left/right/centre, including my own which
> somehow seem to propogate through it to receive replies but in many cases
> are not being held on it.
>
> Anyone know of a good news service that ain't super expensive and is
> decently speedy when pulling headers down to Oz?