Download speed
Superman
I got a download speed of 1.1Mbs on the Telstra cable. Download a 226mb
file in 4min 25secs!
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son of a bitch
>
> I got a download speed of 1.1Mbs on the Telstra cable. Download a 226mb
> file in 4min 25secs!
>
Big Whoop
You prob'ly pay $80 for 25 Gig
I pay $50 for 100 Gig
Rob
With TPG are they alright? Want to sign with someone next week if not
sooner.
son of a bitch
Been using them about 2 years
Has the occasional can't authenticate modem crap, and lots of
Teltra line faults. The only time I've had call support is to tell
them the Telstra Line is stuffed again.
2 years ago, I would have given them 6/10 and now probably an 8.
There are more reliable ones, but it's the bang for buck thing.
Speed is a bit slower than other ISPs because they use transparent
proxies for ALL HTTP outgoing.
Rob
Thanks
Been looking at Exetel and TPG They both work out the same cost for
the downloads with the exception of 512 shaping from TPG if you exceed
the quota.
TPG $50 60/60 Gb shaped to 512 after that. 10 emails 30Mb web space.
Exetel $35 30/60 Gb and 50c /Gb ($5/10Gb) excess. 20 emails 200Mb web
space. Off peak a bit more generous 12pm - 12am. I guess that some of
the Off Peak can be used at a reasonable hour.
My thoughts if you don't use the allocation you don't have to pay and it
remains at $15/mth cheaper.
Still not sure how reliable Exetel are as an ISP. I think that TPG/Soul
are the supplier for the NSW Dept of Education.
Any thoughts??
r
BTW have been looking at Whirlpool and evey one have neg comments - for
those who recommend looking up Whirlpool.
son of a bitch
Seen somebody elso on Adsl2 with exetel also quite good, and their adsl2
is now affordable. Two years ago you had to have rocks in head to get
adsl2 with exetel. I think AAPT actually provides the re-badged service.
son of a bitch
I used Exetel ADSL1 for a long-long time, it just worked day after day
after weeks after months. Never ever had to call support, except to
cancel because their ADSL2 was so over priced.
Rob
Interesting you say that - on the Exetel site it states
"BYO plans are only available where AAPT infrastructure is available in
your exchange."
Looking at other ISP's yes you would have rocks in your head,
Like the one were on now. They will not compromise at all. 10Gb on 1500
adsl $50 - 20 OP off peak which I could only find the time from the
usage is 12am - 7am. Will not fully disclose their product.
ADSL2 plan $84.95 10/10 GB
z1
you are all lucky then
here in Tassie the best deal for ADSL2 is with Netspace if it's in an
exchange near you :)
Rob
See even tho Mr KRudd says it may happen in due season Tassie is the
first on the list for NBN
You must have missed something!
http://ozspeedtest.com/news/1384/nbn-connections-lag-rudd-promise/
NBN connections lag Rudd promise?
The Department of Broadband, Communications and the Digital Economy has
refused to say how many homes, if any, have been connected up to
Tasmania's National Broadband Network (NBN), something which according
to Prime Minister Kevin Rudd should have already happened.
z1
I'm happy with my ISP
I doubt if the NBN will prove to be better :)
jonz
wow, 39.95 for unlimited here.....tpg.......
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annily
> On 2/1/2010 10:37 PM, son of a bitch wrote:
>> Superman wrote:
>>>
>>> I got a download speed of 1.1Mbs on the Telstra cable. Download a
>>> 226mb file in 4min 25secs!
>>>
>>
>> Big Whoop
>>
>> You prob'ly pay $80 for 25 Gig
>>
>> I pay $50 for 100 Gig
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~
> wow, 39.95 for unlimited here.....tpg.......
>
>
>
That would be the 256 kbps plan? So it is limited to about 65 GB per
month if you download continuously. Still not bad, I suppose, if you can
put up with the speed. But for $10 more per month you can get 130 GB
with iPrimus.
--
Long-time resident of Adelaide, South Australia,
which may or may not influence my opinions.
Rob
> jonz wrote:
>> On 2/1/2010 10:37 PM, son of a bitch wrote:
>>> Superman wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I got a download speed of 1.1Mbs on the Telstra cable. Download a
>>>> 226mb file in 4min 25secs!
>>>>
>>>
>>> Big Whoop
>>>
>>> You prob'ly pay $80 for 25 Gig
>>>
>>> I pay $50 for 100 Gig
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> wow, 39.95 for unlimited here.....tpg.......
>>
>>
>>
>
> That would be the 256 kbps plan? So it is limited to about 65 GB per
> month if you download continuously. Still not bad, I suppose, if you can
> put up with the speed. But for $10 more per month you can get 130 GB
> with iPrimus.
>
256 can be a pain you can have download problems when its too slow cuts
off, errors etc.
jonz
had the 256k for 6 years now with minimal probs.....suits my usage
pattern fine......:)
Rob
> On 2/6/2010 10:37 AM, Rob wrote:
>> On 5/02/2010 8:50 PM, annily wrote:
>>> jonz wrote:
>>>> On 2/1/2010 10:37 PM, son of a bitch wrote:
>>>>> Superman wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I got a download speed of 1.1Mbs on the Telstra cable. Download a
>>>>>> 226mb file in 4min 25secs!
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Big Whoop
>>>>>
>>>>> You prob'ly pay $80 for 25 Gig
>>>>>
>>>>> I pay $50 for 100 Gig
>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>> wow, 39.95 for unlimited here.....tpg.......
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> That would be the 256 kbps plan? So it is limited to about 65 GB per
>>> month if you download continuously. Still not bad, I suppose, if you can
>>> put up with the speed. But for $10 more per month you can get 130 GB
>>> with iPrimus.
>>>
>>
>>
>> 256 can be a pain you can have download problems when its too slow cuts
>> off, errors etc.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> had the 256k for 6 years now with minimal probs.....suits my usage
> pattern fine......:)
>
>
In most cases 256 is OK, although its slow and utube very slow - on the
up side you don't use much bandwidth.
Its been interesting how your usage pattern changes. Once 400mb BigP was
all that's required and big users 2Gb was was the go now the skys the limit.
ISP have taken the goodies from accounts like peering and internal
server use and counted all downloads. With faster BB the Gb's quickly
add up.
Hugh Jeego
"Rob" <mesa...@google.com> wrote in message
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I complained about Westnet ADSL2+ giving me a connect speed of somewhere
between 8900 and 10,000 only so rang TPG to see what they could do. I am 3K
from the exchange in a straight line. They wouldn't guarantee a connect
speed over 1534. So much for TPG.
annily
If you are 3 km from the exchange in a straight line, you are doing
remarkably well to get 8900-10000 kbps. And the ISP you are with will
make little difference anyway.
Rod Speed
> Hugh Jeego wrote:
>>
>> "Rob" <mesa...@google.com> wrote in message
>> news:hk6eui$c9a$2...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> On 1/02/2010 10:37 PM, son of a bitch wrote:
>>>> Superman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I got a download speed of 1.1Mbs on the Telstra cable. Download a
>>>>> 226mb file in 4min 25secs!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Big Whoop
>>>>
>>>> You prob'ly pay $80 for 25 Gig
>>>>
>>>> I pay $50 for 100 Gig
>>>
>>> With TPG are they alright? Want to sign with someone next week if
>>> not sooner.
>>
>> I complained about Westnet ADSL2+ giving me a connect speed of
>> somewhere between 8900 and 10,000 only so rang TPG to see what they
>> could do. I am 3K from the exchange in a straight line.
>
> If you are 3 km from the exchange in a straight line, you are doing
> remarkably well to get 8900-10000 kbps. And the ISP you are with will
> make little difference anyway.
That last is just plain wrong with ADSL2+
annily
Sure ISPs may target different noise margins in their profiles, and this
will make a difference.
With comparable profiles, what else would make a difference (in sync
speed, which is what I assume we are talking about)?
Rod Speed
>>>>>> Superman wrote
>>>>>>> I got a download speed of 1.1Mbs on the Telstra cable. Download a 226mb file in 4min 25secs!
>>>>>> Big Whoop
>>>>>> You prob'ly pay $80 for 25 Gig
>>>>>> I pay $50 for 100 Gig
>>>>> With TPG are they alright? Want to sign with someone next week if not sooner.
>>>> I complained about Westnet ADSL2+ giving me a connect speed of
>>>> somewhere between 8900 and 10,000 only so rang TPG to see what they
>>>> could do. I am 3K from the exchange in a straight line.
>>> If you are 3 km from the exchange in a straight line, you are doing
>>> remarkably well to get 8900-10000 kbps. And the ISP you are with
>>> will make little difference anyway.
>> That last is just plain wrong with ADSL2+
> Sure ISPs may target different noise margins in their profiles, and this will make a difference.
And just use different DSLAM hardware too.
> With comparable profiles, what else would make a difference (in sync speed, which is what I assume we are talking
> about)?
Most obviously the DSLAM hardware they use. They arent all identical in performance.
annily
True, but I suppose it depends on how you interpreted my original
statement of "little difference". I didn't say "no difference". I was
just trying to point out that, of the things that can affect speeds, the
effect of a different ISP is much less than that of cable length, cable
gauge and the number of cable joins.
Rod Speed
>>>>>>>> Big Whoop
The problem with that line is that you have no control over
the stuff you listed, but can choose which ISP you use.
And the other obvious difference between ISPs is what they are
prepared to do if the line does not deliver a decent speed for the
cable length etc as far as trying other pairs in the street cables etc.
annily
Yes, but I believe most people would make the choice of ISP on quota per
dollar, rather than speed.
> And the other obvious difference between ISPs is what they are
> prepared to do if the line does not deliver a decent speed for the
> cable length etc as far as trying other pairs in the street cables etc.
>
>
I thought Telstra wouldn't do anything if you were getting at least 1500
kbps.
Rod Speed
>>>>>>>>>> Big Whoop
Most dont use anything like their quota.
> rather than speed.
Speed aint the only thing that varys with ISP.
>> And the other obvious difference between ISPs is what they are
>> prepared to do if the line does not deliver a decent speed for the
>> cable length etc as far as trying other pairs in the street cables etc.
> I thought Telstra wouldn't do anything if you were getting at least 1500 kbps.
That is plain wrong with ADSL2+
annily
True. I never said they did.
>> rather than speed.
>
> Speed aint the only thing that varys with ISP.
>
True. I wasn't very clear. I was trying to suggest that quota is more
important than speed to most people when choosing an ISP. They are, of
course, not the only factors.
>>> And the other obvious difference between ISPs is what they are
>>> prepared to do if the line does not deliver a decent speed for the
>>> cable length etc as far as trying other pairs in the street cables etc.
>
>> I thought Telstra wouldn't do anything if you were getting at least 1500 kbps.
>
> That is plain wrong with ADSL2+
>
>
Must be an urban myth. A lot of people on Whirlpool seem to believe it.
@com
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He`s your son
Rod Speed
>>>>>>>>>>>> Big Whoop
You clearly said most people make a choice of ISP on quota per dollar.
When most dont use anything like their quota, they clearly do not make the choice on that basis.
>>> rather than speed.
>> Speed aint the only thing that varys with ISP.
> True. I wasn't very clear. I was trying to suggest that quota is more important than speed to most people when
> choosing an ISP.
You dont have any evidence to support that claim and its
very unlkely when most dont use anything like their quota.
> They are, of course, not the only factors.
You havent established that quota per dollar is even considered by most.
>>>> And the other obvious difference between ISPs is what they are
>>>> prepared to do if the line does not deliver a decent speed for the
>>>> cable length etc as far as trying other pairs in the street cables etc.
>>> I thought Telstra wouldn't do anything if you were getting at least 1500 kbps.
>> That is plain wrong with ADSL2+
> Must be an urban myth.
Or it might have been true with DSL1 but is not with DSL2+.
> A lot of people on Whirlpool seem to believe it.
So fucking what ?
annily
That's a non-sequitur.
>>>> rather than speed.
>
>>> Speed aint the only thing that varys with ISP.
>
>> True. I wasn't very clear. I was trying to suggest that quota is more important than speed to most people when
>> choosing an ISP.
>
> You dont have any evidence to support that claim and its
> very unlkely when most dont use anything like their quota.
>
And you apparently don't have any evidence to oppose it.
>> They are, of course, not the only factors.
>
> You havent established that quota per dollar is even considered by most.
>
And you haven't established that it isn't. I was simply expressing my
opinion, not making a statment of fact.
>>>>> And the other obvious difference between ISPs is what they are
>>>>> prepared to do if the line does not deliver a decent speed for the
>>>>> cable length etc as far as trying other pairs in the street cables etc.
>
>>>> I thought Telstra wouldn't do anything if you were getting at least 1500 kbps.
>
>>> That is plain wrong with ADSL2+
>
>> Must be an urban myth.
>
> Or it might have been true with DSL1 but is not with DSL2+.
>
>> A lot of people on Whirlpool seem to believe it.
>
> So fucking what ?
>
Just that many people, including ISP reps, seem to believe it. I'm not
suggesting it's true, but if you have any evidence on what Telstra's
policy on speed actually is, I'd like to know.
annily
> Rod Speed wrote:
>
>> Speed aint the only thing that varys with ISP.
>
>
> HTH.
>
Rod always spells the plurals of words ending in "y" that way. It's one
of his "things".
Rod Speed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Big Whoop
> That's a non-sequitur.
Everyone can see you are lying, again.
>>>>> rather than speed.
>>>> Speed aint the only thing that varys with ISP.
>>> True. I wasn't very clear. I was trying to suggest that quota is
>>> more important than speed to most people when choosing an ISP.
>> You dont have any evidence to support that claim and its
>> very unlkely when most dont use anything like their quota.
> And you apparently don't have any evidence to oppose it.
YOU made the claim.
YOU get to provide the evidence.
THATS how it works.
>>> They are, of course, not the only factors.
>> You havent established that quota per dollar is even considered by most.
> And you haven't established that it isn't.
YOU made the claim.
YOU get to provide the evidence.
THATS how it works.
> I was simply expressing my opinion,
And you dont in fact have a shred of evidence to support that opinion.
> not making a statment of fact.
>>>>>> And the other obvious difference between ISPs is what they are
>>>>>> prepared to do if the line does not deliver a decent speed for
>>>>>> the cable length etc as far as trying other pairs in the street
>>>>>> cables etc.
>>>>> I thought Telstra wouldn't do anything if you were getting at least 1500 kbps.
>>>> That is plain wrong with ADSL2+
>>> Must be an urban myth.
>> Or it might have been true with DSL1 but is not with DSL2+.
>>> A lot of people on Whirlpool seem to believe it.
>> So fucking what ?
> Just that many people, including ISP reps, seem to believe it.
So fucking what ?
Hordes of fools, even ISP reps, believe all sorts of silly shit,
like the stupid claim that the length of the phone cable between
the modem and the wall socket is crucial, when there is vastly
more cable between the wall socket and the DSLAM etc.
It is in fact just the usual mindless cop out.
> I'm not suggesting it's true, but if you have any evidence on what Telstra's policy on speed actually is, I'd like to
> know.
THEY made the claim.
THEY get to provide the evidence.
THATS how it works.
Rod Speed
> Rod Speed wrote:
>
>
Wrong, as always.
Hugh Jeego
"annily" <ann...@annily.invalid> wrote in message
> Hugh Jeego wrote:
>>
>> "Rob" <mesa...@google.com> wrote in message
>> news:hk6eui$c9a$2...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> On 1/02/2010 10:37 PM, son of a bitch wrote:
>>>> Superman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I got a download speed of 1.1Mbs on the Telstra cable. Download a
>>>>> 226mb file in 4min 25secs!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Big Whoop
>>>>
>>>> You prob'ly pay $80 for 25 Gig
>>>>
>>>> I pay $50 for 100 Gig
>>>
>>> With TPG are they alright? Want to sign with someone next week if not
>>> sooner.
>>
>> I complained about Westnet ADSL2+ giving me a connect speed of somewhere
>> between 8900 and 10,000 only so rang TPG to see what they could do. I am
>> 3K from the exchange in a straight line.
>
> If you are 3 km from the exchange in a straight line, you are doing
> remarkably well to get 8900-10000 kbps. And the ISP you are with will make
> little difference anyway.
>
Untrue. If I were with IINET and they had their own DSLAM in there then it
SHOULD make a difference.
In any case, about this exchange it is true. All download speed for ADSL2
has been capped so you cant get over 330kbps download at best right now. I
am paying for ADSL2 and Telstra caps the exchange. So why don't they refund
me what they have stopped me getting?
annily
Nope. If you think that not using up all the quota implies that people
don't make a choice based on quota, then your logic is faulty, simply
because they may THINK they need that quota.
>>>>>> rather than speed.
>
>>>>> Speed aint the only thing that varys with ISP.
>
>>>> True. I wasn't very clear. I was trying to suggest that quota is
>>>> more important than speed to most people when choosing an ISP.
>
>>> You dont have any evidence to support that claim and its
>>> very unlkely when most dont use anything like their quota.
>
>> And you apparently don't have any evidence to oppose it.
>
> YOU made the claim.
>
> YOU get to provide the evidence.
>
> THATS how it works.
>
It wasn't a claim. It was an opinion or belief. I don't have to provide
any evidence.
>>>> They are, of course, not the only factors.
>
>>> You havent established that quota per dollar is even considered by most.
>
>> And you haven't established that it isn't.
>
> YOU made the claim.
>
> YOU get to provide the evidence.
>
> THATS how it works.
>
>> I was simply expressing my opinion,
>
> And you dont in fact have a shred of evidence to support that opinion.
>
I don't need any. Opinions are often formed on gut feelings, not hard
evidence.
>> not making a statment of fact.
>
>>>>>>> And the other obvious difference between ISPs is what they are
>>>>>>> prepared to do if the line does not deliver a decent speed for
>>>>>>> the cable length etc as far as trying other pairs in the street
>>>>>>> cables etc.
>
>>>>>> I thought Telstra wouldn't do anything if you were getting at least 1500 kbps.
>
>>>>> That is plain wrong with ADSL2+
>
>>>> Must be an urban myth.
>
>>> Or it might have been true with DSL1 but is not with DSL2+.
>
>>>> A lot of people on Whirlpool seem to believe it.
>
>>> So fucking what ?
>
>> Just that many people, including ISP reps, seem to believe it.
>
> So fucking what ?
>
> Hordes of fools, even ISP reps, believe all sorts of silly shit,
> like the stupid claim that the length of the phone cable between
> the modem and the wall socket is crucial, when there is vastly
> more cable between the wall socket and the DSLAM etc.
>
I have no argument with that.
> It is in fact just the usual mindless cop out.
>
>> I'm not suggesting it's true, but if you have any evidence on what Telstra's policy on speed actually is, I'd like to
>> know.
>
> THEY made the claim.
>
> THEY get to provide the evidence.
>
> THATS how it works.
>
>
OK. Don't tell me. I was just curious.
annily
>
> "annily" <ann...@annily.invalid> wrote in message
> news:0011bce0$0$1905$c3e...@news.astraweb.com...
>> Hugh Jeego wrote:
>>>
>>> "Rob" <mesa...@google.com> wrote in message
>>> news:hk6eui$c9a$2...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>> On 1/02/2010 10:37 PM, son of a bitch wrote:
>>>>> Superman wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I got a download speed of 1.1Mbs on the Telstra cable. Download a
>>>>>> 226mb file in 4min 25secs!
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Big Whoop
>>>>>
>>>>> You prob'ly pay $80 for 25 Gig
>>>>>
>>>>> I pay $50 for 100 Gig
>>>>
>>>> With TPG are they alright? Want to sign with someone next week if
>>>> not sooner.
>>>
>>> I complained about Westnet ADSL2+ giving me a connect speed of
>>> somewhere between 8900 and 10,000 only so rang TPG to see what they
>>> could do. I am 3K from the exchange in a straight line.
>>
>> If you are 3 km from the exchange in a straight line, you are doing
>> remarkably well to get 8900-10000 kbps. And the ISP you are with will
>> make little difference anyway.
>>
>
> Untrue. If I were with IINET and they had their own DSLAM in there then
> it SHOULD make a difference.
>
I said "little difference" not "no difference". Anyway, I've already had
this argument with Rod Speed.
> In any case, about this exchange it is true. All download speed for
> ADSL2 has been capped so you cant get over 330kbps download at best
> right now. I am paying for ADSL2 and Telstra caps the exchange. So why
> don't they refund me what they have stopped me getting?
>
Good question, but it's Telstra. That should give you the answer.
annily
> Hugh Jeego wrote:
>
>> "annily" <ann...@annily.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:0011bce0$0$1905$c3e...@news.astraweb.com...
>>> Hugh Jeego wrote:
>>>> "Rob" <mesa...@google.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:hk6eui$c9a$2...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>> On 1/02/2010 10:37 PM, son of a bitch wrote:
>>>>>> Superman wrote:
>>>>>>> I got a download speed of 1.1Mbs on the Telstra cable. Download a
>>>>>>> 226mb file in 4min 25secs!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Big Whoop
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You prob'ly pay $80 for 25 Gig
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I pay $50 for 100 Gig
>>>>> With TPG are they alright? Want to sign with someone next week if not
>>>>> sooner.
>>>> I complained about Westnet ADSL2+ giving me a connect speed of somewhere
>>>> between 8900 and 10,000 only so rang TPG to see what they could do. I am
>>>> 3K from the exchange in a straight line.
>>> If you are 3 km from the exchange in a straight line, you are doing
>>> remarkably well to get 8900-10000 kbps. And the ISP you are with will make
>>> little difference anyway.
>
>> Untrue. If I were with IINET and they had their own DSLAM in there then it
>> SHOULD make a difference.
>
>
> I'm with iinet, ~2.5Kms from the exchange and can't get more than 5Mbps
> sync speeds (real transfer rates max out at 5 meg tops.)
>
> The key words in their blurbs are 'up to'. As in 'Up to 20Mbit ADSL2+'.
> The only people actually getting 20 meg are the people that live 150
> metres away from their exchange.
>
Well, yes, but that's not what the argument was about. Different ISP
hardware can make a difference to sync speeds on the same phone line,
due to different noise margins and other factors.
I was just arguing that I don't believe that would be a significant
factor for most people when choosing an ISP.
Rod Speed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Big Whoop
>>> That's a non-sequitur.
> Nope.
Yep.
> If you think that not using up all the quota implies that people
> don't make a choice based on quota, then your logic is faulty, simply because they may THINK they need that quota.
Everyone can see you are lying, again.
>>>>>>> rather than speed.
>>>>>> Speed aint the only thing that varys with ISP.
>>>>> True. I wasn't very clear. I was trying to suggest that quota is
>>>>> more important than speed to most people when choosing an ISP.
>>>> You dont have any evidence to support that claim and its
>>>> very unlkely when most dont use anything like their quota.
>>> And you apparently don't have any evidence to oppose it.
>> YOU made the claim.
>> YOU get to provide the evidence.
>> THATS how it works.
> It wasn't a claim.
Of course it was.
> It was an opinion or belief.
For which you dont have a shred of evidence.
> I don't have to provide any evidence.
Wrong, as always.
>>>>> They are, of course, not the only factors.
>>>> You havent established that quota per dollar is even considered by most.
>>> And you haven't established that it isn't.
>> YOU made the claim.
>> YOU get to provide the evidence.
>> THATS how it works.
>>> I was simply expressing my opinion,
>> And you dont in fact have a shred of evidence to support that opinion.
> I don't need any.
Corse you do.
> Opinions are often formed on gut feelings, not hard evidence.
Only by fools. You qualify.
>>> not making a statment of fact.
>>>>>>>> And the other obvious difference between ISPs is what they are
>>>>>>>> prepared to do if the line does not deliver a decent speed for
>>>>>>>> the cable length etc as far as trying other pairs in the street
>>>>>>>> cables etc.
>>>>>>> I thought Telstra wouldn't do anything if you were getting at least 1500 kbps.
>>>>>> That is plain wrong with ADSL2+
>>>>> Must be an urban myth.
>>>> Or it might have been true with DSL1 but is not with DSL2+.
>>>>> A lot of people on Whirlpool seem to believe it.
>>>> So fucking what ?
>>> Just that many people, including ISP reps, seem to believe it.
>> So fucking what ?
>> Hordes of fools, even ISP reps, believe all sorts of silly shit,
>> like the stupid claim that the length of the phone cable between
>> the modem and the wall socket is crucial, when there is vastly
>> more cable between the wall socket and the DSLAM etc.
> I have no argument with that.
So just because some fool on whirlfool believes something, proves absolutely nothing about anything.
It aint called whirlfool for nothing.
>> It is in fact just the usual mindless cop out.
>>> I'm not suggesting it's true, but if you have any evidence on what Telstra's policy on speed actually is, I'd like
>>> to know.
>> THEY made the claim.
>> THEY get to provide the evidence.
>> THATS how it works.
> OK. Don't tell me. I was just curious.
They do in fact do something about a line that due to its length to the
dslam etc should be able to get say 10M but only gets 1.5M with DSL2.
annily
> about 8-10Mbps speeds when he's a fair distance away from the exchange
> when most people would love to be getting those kinds of speeds.
>
Yeah, I'm 3.4 km cable length and only get about 5100 kbps.
>> I was just arguing that I don't believe that would be a significant
>> factor for most people when choosing an ISP.
>
> Indeed. Value for money, reliability and customer service (I know,
> I know, we're talking about telcos) would surely be far more likely
> deciding factors.
>
Yes indeed.